Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:04 pm

The only nutjobs I see out there are the ones that were screaming “drill baby, drill!” and also like to proclaim they don’t want government involvement in our lives and then when one of the very industries they let run wild has a calamity, cry out “where the hell was the government!??” Label me a liberal if you like, call me a conservative too…but what I really am is non-party affiliated and a proud Independent for 35 years and my word is simply based on pure logic.

Joe Tess Fish House

June 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

Wow…..You SEC fans are amusing.

Nebraska is NOT leaving the Big XII because they are tired of losing to Texas and Oklahoma. Fact – Nebraska beat Oklahoma and damn near beat Texas in the Big XII championship game.

Texas does not want to go to the SEC. They would prefer to keep the Big XII intact. Since that is unlikely, they will join the Pac 10.

The only team in the SEC that has the same storied past as Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska is Alabama. After that, there are no other teams to even come close.

Please keep posting. I really need the laughs.

PMC

June 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

That Mike Garrett has that job now after so many years and instances of corruption shows the arrogance of the institution. They didn’t think this would happen to them. Step one… ban freaking agents and smarmy people from practice. Step Two… don’t let Tim Floyd pay people through an intermediary.

They deserved more than they got for the sheer arrogance they have displayed. Garrett hires Lane Kiffin in the midst of all this? They earned every single one of the sanctions and they should have received more.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:06 pm

World Peace? Read some history about Neville Chamberlain and you will see the comparisons to Carter. Good man? Yes. Good President? probably the worse until Obama gets through.

Courtney

June 11th, 2010
12:07 pm

The Pac-10 conference has NOT won a National Championship since 1991. Kick them out of the BCS!

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

Watching a Gator and a Bee argue holds some irony for this Dawg.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

HOW did Carter “. . . dr[i]ve this country into the ground.” ?
Was stagflation HIS doing?
No. it was the Fed’s.
Was the Iranian attack of our embassy his fault?
No. The Iranians had had enough of the CIA imposed Shah.
So, your position is that you align yourself politcally with the farmers of south Georgia more so than the intelligentsia of Nobel laureates?

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

Anonymous
WHAT?? If you call apologizing for everything and cowarding to other countries more peaceful then go ahead with your thought. This so-called man has weakened this country far more than anyone could have imagined.
Sorry guys, this is a football blog. I’m eating my own words “Simple Techster”. That is all I’ll say about it.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:11 pm

Anonymous; Patrick that kind of looks like your posts. Is it you boy?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:12 pm

Rx, I understand how you hate them; they are more arrogant than us and they are without the championships.

Mybe So

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

Texas DOES NOT need the SEC. This is coming from someone who isn’t a big fan of the Big 12 or Texas. The Horns program brings in more money per year than any other program in the nation. And the second place program isn’t even close. Even if they went independent, they would still make more money. The SEC will need them much more than they need the SEC, Trust me.

Gary

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

No Anonymous, that donation change means that the university sees that many potential first time season ticket holders might not be able to fork over the $10K because of the down economy. It was certainly an issue last year and the contribution fell from the 10K to a little over 4K. The amount required now is on par to years before the 2008 season when demand was so high. Read the whole article.

Simple Techster – Florida won’t play Miami every year because that takes away another non-conference date that they could use to schedule other teams. Like the interview stated, Miami and Florida are set to play again in 2013 so the Gators are not against playing them. If Miami was invited and became a part of the SEC I am sure the Gators would be ok as it will renew an old rivalry and turn it into a conference rivalry. It would also allow Florida to not have to make any changes to their OOC schedule to play Miami on an annual basis.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

Silly Simple Simon.

I have written several of those college football articles on Wikipedia, and I did not feel the need to cut and paste the greater details from the “Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football” article. What part of “bad sportsmanship and recruiting dirty tricks on the part of Bear Bryant” did not cover the further details you cut and pasted?

BTW, “fit of pique” is a not uncommon expression among college graduates with adequate or better writing skills.

Talk to the hand.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:14 pm

its easy to get off topic isnt it?
Nebraska has been meeting for an hour or so now. What i wouldnt do to be a fly on the wall. I think that by this evening Nebraska leaves, and by Monday the Texas and Oklahoma schools bolt for the PAC 10.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:15 pm

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am
“Yes. Horrible. Why do you align yourself with the SEC bigots and, more importantly, why are you using your superior mind to post all day on a college football blog?”

This reminds me of what I was reading about the possible move of the Texas schools to the pac 10 except for Baylor of course. Besides the fact that the bears are a poor draw and really aren’t competitive the other prime opposition to Baylor coming with UT, Tam, and TT is Cal-Berkley. Seems the Cal bears object to the fact that Baylor is a private Baptist school and don’t want the bears primarily due to their religious affiliation.

It never ceases to amaze me when someone, whether it be a Harvard alum or the Cal-Berkley administration, preaches open mindedness, inclusion, diversity, etc and then enforces then own particular brand of bigotry against those with whom they disagree. I guess their speech and their views are more equal than those of say a small private Baptist school or those bigoted SEC fans.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:16 pm

<—-working hard on staying on subject….

Gary, all i did was copy and paste a conversation between with Miami AD and ESPN radio. His words, not mine.

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
12:16 pm

Joe Tess Fish House :
The majority of us know the huskers are leaving for the cash, not just in sports but for inclusion in Bing Televins CIC and the research money that and the AAu provide. The others are taunting, laugh and let it go.

Texas can go kick rocks. I think most of us want A&M and its all speculation anyway. But Texas has proven itslef to want to be the ringleader and the SEC doesn’t work that way. We share and nobody gets a bigger slice of the pie than the rest. They can make all the money they want with their own rights and markets but not with SEC rights.

Now, could you define ’storied past’ please… b/c depending on your definition it could just be geographically relevant. GA-FLA have been playing @ neutral sites just as long as Tex-Okla. Some of our rivalries in teh SEC run just as long if not longer than yours… Our schools are just as recognizable as yours… So I don’t think I follow that one.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Ooops. Typo. Should be their own rather than then own.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Thank you Techster; it’s about time. When the dust settles I predict that the SEC adds A&M to the SEC West and Va Tech in the East.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

I dont understand why someone, anyone, isnt jumping all over Boise State and TCU. Boise State has been doing well for quite a few years, TCU as well, and its remarkable that they have done it with inferior funding(i believe, i apologize if i am wrong). Why doesnt the PAC 10 try to get Boise State…and why doesnt the SEC go after TCU?

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Dave:

Look, Carter’s postion(s) on Israel and Palestine are DEAD ON. The Israelis have been stealing Palestinian land for decades and thumbing their noses at retribution because of the US’ unilateral support.
Carter pi$$ed off a lot of very powerful people in this country and abroad, but wasn’t wrong.
Nor is he pro-Palestinian.
He’s just calling it like it is.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

There is one option I don’t hear anyone discussing, at least not openly. Now that Notre Dame is no longer Notre Dame and is unlikely to ever be again, there could be an opening for another major independent. The SEC is a non-starter academically. The PAC10 disallows private television networks and Texas is known to be seriously considering one, a la ND. And a reconstituted Big 12, due to revenue sharing, is likely to be a net income loss for the Horns. Who amongst the “bigs” wouldn’t want to schedule a home-home with Texas? And who amongst the second and third tier teams wouldn’t gladly travel to Austin to get a taste of the big money? And what network wouldn’t jump at the chance to get exclusive distribution rights to Texas football? As long as there remain at-large BCS bids it is something that has to be considered…

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

Gator….you think the SEC only grabs two teams to get to 14….and add more later if necessary to stay even with the Pac10 and Big 10?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:20 pm

If you can’t defend it, you can’t have it, Anonymous. By your definition, Texas should be part of Mexico (some would say it still is). Heck, all of America would be owned by Indians.

How are Israelis stealing anything?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:21 pm

GA Gator, the SEC can’t get VT without UVA.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:22 pm

Anonymous – This conversation is for another blog. Let’s talk football!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Yes Techster, they only need one team in Texas for the TV market. I have a lot of friends in Texas and even though Texas is by far #1, A&M is also by far #2. The SEC doesn’t need anymore teams from Ga, S.Carolina or Florida for TV, get Va Tech and they have the market up the East coast. Just sayin………

BigTimeTECHFan

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

I’m not in favor of expanding the SEC or ACC but would like a partnership between the the two:

Football – All teams must play at 2 game against teams from other conf in (home and home), best records get bragging rights for power conf.
Basketball- Have early season tourney, mix like ACC/Big10 challenge and Garden classic, Final 4 play in Atlanta, Orlando, Louisville, DC, site rotation.
Football – Both conf winners must play each other the following year, make it like kick-off classic.

Other confs would lose out because they would be to big.

That would be sweet

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Ric Flair:
b/c they are doing it right now when all borders and property rights are supposivley set and we have a united talk talk talk nations

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Dave, the way he is going on and on, I am sure it is Patrick.

OldWell

June 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

I don’t think that the SEC should expand rather there should be some discussion about what are cable networks paying for and more importantly advertisers. Are you really paying the Big10 more for Rutgers because it is next to NYC where maybe 20 people give a rat’s ass about RU football vs. Alabama where most every set is on a Tide game (love em or hate em). If you’re Pepsi, InBev, Ford or whoever are you really paying the cable company the same rate per subscriber? I would ask ESPN how this is measured. Hell there are 20 times more people in NYC watching SEC football than UCONN, Rutgers, Syracuse, etc., etc. Also, if ND loses in this process it won’t hurt my feelings one bit-pride before the fall!

JUST SAY IT

June 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

TEXAS IS AFRAID TO PLAY IN THE SEC……PERIOD

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:25 pm

On a serious comment. Not poking fun, but I read where Ric said that the SEC would not be able to get VT without UVA. Why would that be? UVA was apart of the ACC for a long time before VT came on board. I don’t see the aliance. Then again I’m not from that part of the country.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:25 pm

I heard from a buddy of mine this afternoon, the SEC wants to offer A&M, UNC, Duke, and Va. Tech invitations to the SEC in the next couple of days. Normally I wouldn’t listen to things like this, but he heard it from his dad, who is one the wealthy business men in country and has deep connections within the SEC. Personally, I like Va Tech & A&M, don’t how I feel about UNC & Duke.

GTBud

June 11th, 2010
12:26 pm

Texas will never come to the SEC, period. Where UT goes A&M will join. From everything that is being said and what I have been reading it is all going to come down to what the Big 10 does anyhow. If they go to 16 then the SEC basically has no choice. The logical choices for the SEC will be FSU, GT, UM, and Clemson. Do not be surprised if this happens, it has been talked about for months now with the SEC pulling from the ACC and then the ACC joining with the Big East. If I am the SEC why would I not want these 4 ACC schools when all it does is add to your conference in all sports.

It is only a matter of time now with Nebraska and Colorado jumping ship already. The Oklahoma schools will be next and then it all begins in a hurry.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:27 pm

come on Bama, i heard from and friend or friend’s cousins mother’s cousin said you better give up a name so it can be verified.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:28 pm

The ACC and SEC would be EXTREMELY wary about a “partnership”. Thats what the Pac 10 and Big 12 were discussing….and it seems the Pac 10 decided to scrap that and offer invites to the teams it wanted. The ACC has to be scared of what the SEC may try to do(THIS COMING FROM THE BIGGEST TECH FAN EVER), if the ACC isnt careful it may be the ACC that dissolves into nothing and SEC and Big East megaconferences emerge.

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:29 pm

Ivy, I will say that the hypocrisy in our country today astounds me. No one has the true courage of their convictions anymore. I grew up in the shadow of the Vietnam War which was treated mostly as a political football in DC. But I still hated those people who would disrespect our country and military service with loud protests and then by even publicly burning their “draft cards”. I was happy when I would see them arrested and hauled off to jail. But I must say in retrospect, at least they put their money where their mouth was, even as they paid a legal penalty and were percieved and labeled as misfits. Fast forward to the recent Health Care debate and these people who call themselves the “Tea Party”. They also protested loudly, this time it was about “government involvement” in their healt care. Some very valid concerns. But funny thing was, I never saw a single medicare card go up in flames. They sure didn’t want to give up THAT government controlled card! Made me kind of wonder if it was even about health care at all……

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

GTBud, not trying to insult you here, but GT rarely does and Miami never sell out their home games, so I think those two won’t be invited, plus neither add much to the TV market. Even around Atlanta most people are UGA fans and in Florida, there are almost as many Florida fans in South Florida as there are Miami fans.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

Sorry “learn something”, I’m not going give names. But with all the speculation going around; a little more can’t hurt. I realize there is no way to verify this and it sounds like total BS, but if I didn’t trust this guy I wouldn’t have posted it.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

GTBud “It is only a matter of time now with Nebraska and Colorado jumping ship already. The Oklahoma schools will be next and then it all begins in a hurry.”

Since those schools can’t actually jump until the 2012-2013 season why does everything the sky is going to fall today? Nebraska may well go, heck some tex + ok schools may go, but they don’t have to make that choice right now. Chancellors, AD directors, Regents, they don’t really do knee jerk reactions. They are paid not to.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

When the ACC expanded, the politicians in Virginia wanted VT, not Syracuse, so they did some behind the doors lobbying and threaten to withhold Virginias’ vote if they didnt get their way. It would be interesting to see what happened if VT tried to leave Virginia behind.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

Bama, I couldn’t resist man. Sorry for the jab.

Techman

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

poor Kansas.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

Ric:

“If you can’t defend it, you can’t have it, Anonymous. By your definition, Texas should be part of Mexico (some would say it still is). Heck, all of America would be owned by Indians.

How are Israelis stealing anything?”

That’s BRILLIANT, so imperialism at its worst, where a militarily superior foe gets whatever he desires at the peril of the weaker (but no less legitimate) occupant, is not to be condemned?

Aren’t we supposed to have evolved to a more civilized society in the last couple of hundred years?

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
12:32 pm

Jim in Austin, that is an interesting thought and I have read
somewhere that UT has either the largest or second largest living alumni, but I think you have to look at the geographic dispersion of the alumni base. I don’t have the facts, but I would assume UT’s alumni base is heavily concentrates in Texas. ND alumni are more geographically dispersed and it has probably the largest subway alumni of any school. I think it would be
a case of the local affiliates balking at having to carry the games, since they depend on selling local advertising for their revenue. The other reason it works for ND is the BCS consideration they get. If we go the way of the superconferences, the BCS may become an anachronism. I think that issue may be what ultimately drives ND into the B10. If you are ND, the rapidity with which formerly stable appearing relationships unravel cannot be
comforting.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:32 pm

Joe Tess Fish House,

I read a good article this morning fromt the Waco tribune. It was saying that even at Texas there are differences. The president wants to go to the Pac 10 and Mack Brown wants to stay in the big 12.

I did not see where an SEC fan posted that NU left the big 12 because they were tired of losing to OU and Texas which would seem to be an ignorant statement. Especially since programs ebb and flow and in the 90s it was Nebraska that was destroying those programs.

NU, like OU and Texas, truly is one of the nation’s alltime premier programs. All 3 are either top 5 or top 10 historic programs at the least using practically any criteria by which you could judge a program. I think most of us SEC programs know that. But I would also say Tennessee is probably the nation’s 10th most storied program. They should be top 10 also or very close to it.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:33 pm

I served in Vietnam from late 70 thru late 71 and the protests you mention had a profound outcome on the war. GI’s were treated poorly when they returned even though many were draftees and had no choice. As far at the Tea Party goes, I went to the rally in Atlanta and at 62 I felt like an old man. The average age I saw was around 35-40. Very few my age and by the way Medicare doen’t start til 65.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:34 pm

Anonymous, That is you Patrick! At least say hello and acknowledge it for us.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:35 pm

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