Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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988 comments Add your comment

Miles

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

As previously stated in prior comments, MIKE GARRETT IS AN IDIOT!

Bevo Cowchip

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Tony,

How much did the Slive pay you to post that under your name? Did use talking points from the meeting or did the SEC office just write that for you?

Thanks I’ll hang up and listen.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:37 am

Anonymous, like most Harvard grads, they are out of touch with reality; kind of like the moron running our country.

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am

Yes. Horrible. Why do you align yourself with the SEC bigots and, more importantly, why are you using your superior mind to post all day on a college football blog?

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am

Well at least you vote well, Ivy Leaguer. I’ll take that as a silver lining.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:39 am

Georgia has self-reported nine secondary violations of NCAA rules this year — a list of transgressions that provides a glimpse into the minutiae of the NCAA rulebook.

Just posted on AJC this morning. Whoops.

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:39 am

One other debatable question that has not been considered:

What if the Big 12 chose to ADD AZ & AZST to replace Colorado and Nebraska?

After adding Colorado and likely Utah, the PAC10 would need 2 MORE teams to reach 12.

Are there 2 other teams that the PAC10 would want to scoop up?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:40 am

Harvard, because I am a writer and have the time to read interesting blogs. I grew up in the South, went to Princeton (1970), spent 20 years in the USMC defending your liberal ass and now write for a living. Any questions. As far as the bigot comments, that goes both ways when you look down on others.

keith bogle

June 11th, 2010
11:41 am

Lots of anti-Longhorn anxst on here. How can Nebraska moving to the Big 10 in order to double their TV revenues be a result of Texas arrogance?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:41 am

From Miami’s AD this morning…..who by the way nixed all notions of them relocating to the SEC

On the idea of Miami and FSU in the SEC

“There are certain schools in the SEC that won’t play us now, Jorge, so I don’t know why they would be in a position to have to play us on a regular basis. They know the direction our program is on. We’re going to return to that pinnacle of the intercollegiate athletic world. We’re well on our way. I think the ACC provides a great platform for us.”

Jorge followed up by chiding Hocutt about which schools in the SEC don’t want to play Miami. Hocutt laughed.

“We may happen to be there playing them in baseball tonight,” he said. “As for Florida football, we’ve expressed our desire. I think the Miami-Florida matchup in football is great. I had an opportunity my first year at Miami to go to Gainesville for a game and they’re scheduled to come back here in 2013. We’ve expressed our interest to continue that series and rivalry, but unfortunately at this time, there’s no interest on their end.”

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

Harvard, I’m sure you’re just here for a quick second and then leaving.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to take my pig to pluto.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

You UGA fans disparaging Tech’s inability to fill a stadium need to tone it down a bit.
Read in today’s AJC.com:

“The minimum donation required to become a first-time Georgia football season ticket holder has fallen from $10,651 to $1,550.”

A discount like that couls easily be construed as a vote of no confidence!

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

You can call me anything you want, Ivy Leaguer. But calling me a liberal is below the belt. I did not, nor would I ever, vote for that nutjob in the Oval Office.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:43 am

Is that all you can hang your hat on there Simple techster?

Do you understand what a “Secondary Violation” is? This blog is about the aligning of the Football conferences. Why do you bring something up so mundane? Clueless!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:44 am

oh hell look out we are going political!!!!

ps….THE NUTJOB IN THE OVAL OFFICE SUCKS!!!!!

jumbeauxtiger

June 11th, 2010
11:44 am

I am not in favor of any SEC expansion unless it would add any of these schools: Texas(unlikely), A&M, Virginia Tech, FSU, Oklahoma and Missouri. I don’t see anyone else bringing any value that would expand the SEC’s market.

All of this is speculation right now. I don’t recall an offseason day in my lifetime when there has been so much going on in college football as the last couple of days.

The loss of scholarships for USC will be devastating. That’s 40% less players that they can sign over the next 3 years. Now we know why Carroll bolted.

Side note: Can’t people just respect the schools that others are loyal to and stop the nasty comments here?

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

CMill

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Vandy is not going to want to leave the SEC, they get a ton of money and are under no intense pressure to field a top football team, and their bball team has been very competitive in the SEC the past few years.

As an SEC fan… I DO NOT WANT TEXAS!!!

It seems to me that they have huge egos and would try to basically run the conference, and that won’t happen in conference with huge proograms like Bama, UF, UGA, etc… It would just cause huge headaches.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Harvard, if you are truly from Harvard then I apologize. We both are probably in the minority in the alumni from our institutions in NOT supporting Obama. He isn’t a nutjob however, he is intelligent and very dangerous. I am proud of you for recognizing it.

im4bama

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Simple Techster why don’t you just shut up. It’s obvious you have nothing else to do today. Just admit the with all the buzz of expansion, no one is talking about inviting your teams GT and NC State and it’s hurt your feelings and therefore you lashing out with your supposed high brow attitude. Give it a rest man, we have all heard your opinions but now it’s time to call it a day.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Matt, I believe the B10 is doing a mighty sales job to get ND to join, but from what I have read, the B10 objectives will not be satisfied stopping at 12. Delaney is a shrewd commissioner and seems to be thinking more strategically than the other conference heads. He has said that the expansion may take the form of a multi-stage process. Rather than being reactive, he has hired some excellent professionals and they are approaching it with rigor. I believe the NU situation was triggered by the B12’s loyalty oath provisions, so they had to move before they wanted. The B10 is not done and with the BTN as their secret weapon, they can pick off almost anyone they want. If the politicos would permit A&M to separate from UT, I believe UT would
be on the radar-certainly something the administrators of UT would
be
interested in from what I’ve read.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:46 am

My, my, academic arrogance runs amuck!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:47 am

Dave…..seriously? I just saw it. I thought it was funny. I know what this blog is. I fully understand what a secondary violation is. A stupid phone call on the wrong day is secondary among a billion other things. What, did i hurt your feelings by posting it? Seriously, get a life. I am so sorry. AJC, please retract my blog entry about the article posted this morning concerning GA. and thier secondary violations….i upset someone.

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:47 am

A very important point to consider here:

California is totally bankrupt. Many of their public universities and college are being gutted. And, thats no exaggeration.

Arizona is more bankrupt than California.

Question:
If your state is bankrupt, and your state population has already begun LEAVING the state, how well can you support your PUBLIC universities?

Answer: Not very well.

Merging with the PAC10 could become the worlds largest “tar baby.”
The Big12 schools might really regret it.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:48 am

Patrick, what are you hearing in California about what is going to happen next in expansion?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:49 am

this coming from someone telling a joke about Tech going to the WAC. Really? Seriously? HA. HA. HA. Wow, that was so, so very funny.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:49 am

Oh, and BTW:
That “Nutjob” and his wife were both educated in the Ivy League.

McDAWG

June 11th, 2010
11:50 am

If the collapse of the BIG 12 is going to happen, the SEC should jump on the opportunity to get Texas and Oklahoma. If that means taking Texas A&M and OK. ST., then so be it. When the dust settles you don’t want inferior conferences like the PAC 10 and Big 10 one uping you by scoring those power houses. My guess is that Texas wont accept an invite to the SEC anyway (too rough a schedule for them).

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:50 am

TMZ is reporting that OSU to PAC 10 is a done deal.

Ramblin Wrecker

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Tony,

What are the prospects of the Big Ten dipping south to pick up the Atlanta market…i.e. Georgia Tech? If football craving eyeballs are what the Big Ten is after, then where better than the capital of college football?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Ivy Leaguer—-

Just read your responses to Simple Techster, and I about spit coffee all over my computer screen I was laughing so hard.

Didn’t know you Princeton Tiger boys could talk smack so well. There may be something to an Ivy League education after all. LOL

AG

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Anonymous, and Jimmy Carter is from where? Talking about nutjobs!!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:53 am

Atlanta Gator, I graduated from Princeton and actually played 3 years of football, but was educated by the USMC.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
11:54 am

Vanderbilt is a Top 20 academic school and REALLY out of place in the remedial SEC. The ACC, with 7 schools rated in the Top 50, would be a much better fit both academically and athletically. The PAC10, with 5 schools in the T50, looks a much better fit for Texas with its aspirations of being a top academic and research school. And I can assure you that grants and endowments pull a lot more money into UT than sports ($590 million in grants alone for 2009 vs $120 million for all sports (#1 amongst all colleges and universities, btw)). You may now return to discussing football…

Brutal Truth

June 11th, 2010
11:54 am

The academics of the SEC are just way, way too bad for Texas to take them seriously.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:55 am

Simple techster… You want to talk about getting a life? This blog is not about crap that your posting! It’s about the aligning of conferences. Stay on the subject matter at hand little nerd. Please re-read im4bama’s post at 11:45. It was perfect. The WAC post was a light hearted joke. Talk about someone getting their feelings hurt. If you want to talk about secondary then we can talk about tech football because you will always be second in the state of Ga in football.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:56 am

And texas arrogance is much too much to want to be average in sports.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:56 am

Ivy:

You don’t become a skipper of a nuclear sub by being a dumba$$.

Steve

June 11th, 2010
11:57 am

Simple Techster @ 9:55AM…SEC is on the decline…they have won 5 of the last 7 NCAA BCS championships (71%), and 4 of the last 4 (100%). I may not be a Tech graduate, but my math skills indicate that’s improvement, not a decline.
A quick at the ACC’s record indicates they have won 1 BCS championship in the last 12 years (FSU in 1999)…well done.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:57 am

That my be true anonymous but he sure drove our country into the ground.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
11:59 am

“Bear Bryant was well known for bending the rules his way and not giving a rats tail about anything but winning, especially sportsmanship.”

Simple Techster,

Come again? The bear didn’t give a rats azz about sportsmanship? You didn’t watch much if any Alabama football under Bear did you? When Bama scored there was no high fiving, no celebration, no “look at me” displays, no mocking or taunting the opponent, and certainly not any soulja boy dancing.

Bear Bryant’s favorite play was for a Bama player after scoring a td to hand the ball to a coach. And if you travel around the country and talk to college football fans in their late 40s, 50s, and on you would be surprised how many of them have always liked Alabama football. Why? Because several of these people have told me that they loved the way the team played with class and sportsmanship and never taunted opponents or did individual celebrations under Bear. I’ve traveled to other states, bowl venues, and stadiums like Penn State and this is what I generally hear from opposing fans that can remember the Bryant days. It was all about the team concept and sportsmanship and zero showboating.

And in reference to the Chick Graning incident no one disputes the facts of what happened. What we don’t know is why Bear didn’t discipline his player and from that side I suspect that the player told Bear he was playing full speed, didn’t hear a whistle, and hit Graning as hard as he could but didn’t think he would hurt Graning as severely as he did. Nobody really knows but I’m sure there is a reason why Bear didn’t discipline him. Dodd and Tech supporters jumping the gun and immediately calling for Bear’s head before he had a chance to apologize probably didn’t help matters.

Please have some perspective. One single flagrant foul doesn’t change several decades of excellence and the sportsmanship that Bear’s teams otherwise exhibited on the field throughout his career.

schmeckdawg

June 11th, 2010
11:59 am

This is hilarious stuff and I do love all of you haters of our guy running this country. What an idiot!!!!!!!

John

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Atlanta Gator, The bill was defeated 19-15 by a heavily UF legislative body. I stand corrected, however UF still did not want anything to do with FSU and UF was order to play FSU by The State Board of Control. Either way, FSU and UF would be great together in the SEC

Reagan

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Warner, for your info Texas lost to Alabama and really the national title game should have been against Texas and Florida. Florida lost to Alabama in what was pretty much a rivalry game after what had happened last year with Alabama getting beat out. So honestly Texas got the easiest game of the two with Alabama because Florida was the better team. Texas just came off a two year losing streak to Texas A@M, A@M was not the better team at all but it was a rivalry game of course Texas would be the more challenging opponent for another team but they lost. Thats exactly what happened to Florida except for the fact that their game against Alabama had National Title implications, for both teams. Florida and Tim Tebow would have spanked Texas with or without the assistance of the fragile Colt McCoy. Florida was explosive on offense and lock down defensively while Alabama sort of just got by offensively and had a lock down defense. Look at the teams that they barley beat in their conference, LSU and Arkansas. As a matter of fact Alabama rarely scored more than 30 points a game. If Texas would have played Folrida with the same events occurring during the game the score easily would have ended up with Florida scoring 40+ points (and thats being generous) and stifling Texas to 14 to 21 points and again 21 might be somewhat generous. So no, Texas is not bigger than Forida, Alabama, and Georgia combined.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Anonymous, I remember a huge billboard just south of atlanta during Carter’s last year which said,”We the farmers of Georgia, apologize to the farmers of the United States for putting Jimmy Carter in the White House.” That kind of says it all. To make some of the comments he makes today, he either has dementia or is an idiot.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Nor do you get into the Naval Academy.

T3

June 11th, 2010
12:02 pm

One of the overlooked aspect for the Big12 is their CURRENT contract.

The CURRENT contract that was done several years ago expires in 2012.
So, Big12 teams are being paid on a deal that was struck several years ago.

The ACC recntly changed their old contract that paid each school about $6Million/Year. The new contract will pay each school almsot $12Million/Year.

Now, I certianly believe the Big12 can easily command much better dollars than the ACC, which just DOUBLED their payouts.

So, if the Big12 can find 2 new valuable teams to reamin at 12, then would there be a solid belief that a new Big12 contract would likely pay WAY MORE than the current contract? I mean, the Big12 doesnt really NEED the PAC10 to demand bigger TV money.

So, the Big12 could add two more teams, like: AZ & AZST maybe.

Or perhaps something closer to home like SMU, TCU, Houston, UTEP.

Folks laugh at Houston, but once a upon a time Houston was a dominant program in Texas. And, Hosuton just announced they will build huge new football AND basketball facilities, just so you know. Adding any two of TCU, SMU, Housotn and UTEP would also keep Big12 money INSIDE the Texas state boundaries, and thats not to be overlooked.

The point is this: the ACC got TWICE as much money as before…with the SAME conference format and the SAME teams.

Surely the Big12 can command WAY MORE on TV revenue when their current ocpntract comes up for renewal beginning in 2012.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:02 pm

No problem Dave. Subject-matter focused. Won’t even comment on your last statement, we can talk all day. Question for SEC fans……would you rather “lock up a state” such as taking Clemson or would you rather get your foot in the door of Texas or Oklahoma? As far as ACC teams that seem like they would have the easiest transistion to the SEC with ample facilities and large fanbases, i would have to say FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

He may be controversial, even at times, subversive, but he’s done more for the cause of peace than any other President out there.
Why else would what many consider the most prestigeous award in the world (the Nobel Peace Prize) be awarded to him?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

Then what happened to the fool Anonymous? He got into the Naval Academy because he had good math scores and was nominated by a congressman friendly to his family.

Jeff G

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

SEC Additions: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech

OK is tired of its rivalry with Texas. A&M wants a chance to get out from under the Longhorns shadow. Texas Tech just wants the $$$. Georgia Tech thinks it can compete now in the SEC.