Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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Matt

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Tony, the key is Notre Dame. The Big Ten won’t expand much more without the Domers. Even if they suck on the field, they have a ton of attraction off it. The key to getting ND is BCS Access. If ND doesn’t have its sweet BCS access, they WILL join a conference, especially if the Big Ten is holding a gun to the Big East’s head. If ND joins the Big Ten, the SEC MUST expand to keep up.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

GTville, nice post but you need to understand one thing: The Big Ten will never be a thorn in the SEC’s side. Not in Football, Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Track and Field, not anything.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Better yet…why dont you hop on google and read up on the SEC’s last expansion in the early 90’s, when names like Texas and Miami and FSU came up, things that were said, reactions by different schools, namely Florida and Georgia…….and let me know what you find.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:12 am

GATORZONE—-

“Dominate” is a verb; “dominant” is an adjective. Now, go forth and represent the alma mater.

Can You Dig It

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

Simple Techster…You are indeed an idiot! Bama and Florida have no more clout in the SEC than,Georgia, Auburn,LSU etc. Wha an idiotic statement to make. Georgia is and has been for quite sometime the leading revenue producing school in the SEC…Alabama, Florida and LSU are also in the top five….I
ll bet that UNC, Va.Tech, Virginia, and Miami are miles ahead of Tech. Your school has a minior league approach to football and always has…you can’t even fill your stadium up for home games…go away litte boy come back when your football program is relevant.
Can You Dig It!

dental plan for SEC fans needed

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

Tony-
Terrible. It pains me you’re the voice of AJC college sports. Texas has to listen to the SEC? Really? The SEC is not the end-all be-all of the DI world. No current BCS school is going to listen to the SEC. Guys, this isn’t isn’t about sweet it would be if LSU got to play Texas every year. It’s about money and research. SEC’s quality of reseach and education is terrible (with some obvious exception). No one currently making BCS $$$ would be willing to take that step down.

The ACC and the SEC will be the ONLY two DI conferences unchanged in the end. The SEC won’t grow ’cause no one will want to join and the ACC won’t shrink because no one will want to leave.

Matt

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

If you people want to follow a guy who’s really dialed into expansion, use this link. Chip Brown at Rivals has been ahead of everyone on this story, including “Mr College Football”. What a joke that name is.

twitter.com/chipbrownob

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:14 am

i don’t remember but how was VT to the ACC a political move? Didn’t the ACC want to expand so they invited school from the Big East? Did UVA hold so much power they demanded VT be admitted?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:15 am

ATLANTA GATOR…..check your facts again.

Dodd’s tenure included Georgia Tech’s withdrawal from the Southeastern Conference.[16] The initial spark for Dodd’s withdrawal was a historic feud with Alabama Crimson Tide Coach Bear Bryant.[18] The feud began when Tech was visiting the Tide at Denny Stadium in 1961. After a Tech punt, Alabama fair-caught the ball. Chick Granning of Tech was playing coverage and relaxed after the signal for the fair catch. Darwin Holt of Alabama continued play and smashed his elbow into Granning’s face causing severe fracturing in his face, a broken nose, and blood-filled sinuses. Granning was knocked unconscious and suffered a severe concussion, the result of which left him unable to play football ever again. Dodd sent Bryant a letter asking Bryant to suspend Holt after game film indicated Holt had intentionally injured Granning.[18] Bryant never suspended Holt. The lack of discipline infuriated Dodd and sparked Dodd’s interest in withdrawing from the SEC.

collegeballfan

June 11th, 2010
11:15 am

“ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis”

I like this potential ACC lineup with the exception of Cincinnati & Memphis. Replace those two with South Florida, for the TV market, and Rutgers, again TV market, and I am on board.

But I really do not understand why the Big 12 needs to break up. If they lose Nebraska they lose one of their smaller markets. Losing Colorado is losing a major market and hurts. Those two schools can be replaced easily to keep the conference going. TCU, Houston, SMU or Utah
would fit. And TCU and Houston are major TV markets.

And if the Big 10 goes to 16 teams how do they fail to pick up Kentucky? UK would do wonders for Big 10 basketball.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
11:17 am

Thank you Techman for affirming that there are some Tech fans that live in reality!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:17 am

Dude, what you said was pure, absolute ignorance and stupidity. Bear Bryant was well known for bending the rules his way and not giving a rats tail about anything but winning, especially sportsmanship. That was courtesy of wikipedia, btw. Let me know if you need more sources, i am happy to provide them.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:19 am

Lets see….how do you become relevant in your own conference?

Gee, i dont know. God, thats such a hard one. Wow. Its mind-boggling. I just cant come up with an answer. Ya got me.

Oh…wait. HOW ABOUT WINNING THE CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP????????
When was the last time Georgia did that?

schmeckdawg

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

What is wrong with the way the SEC is now. I’m a UGA fan and even though my boys don’t have a crystal ball, in the last few years, lsu has 2 the gaytors have 2 and the crimson turd has 1. Why fix what ain’t broke. Just let these other teams go running along and when another SEC team drills their a—s in another NC Game we will all know what we do now, the SEC RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

Simple Techster and if my old memory serves me correct, Dodd’s first Bowl game as an independent was an ass whipping by the Gators in the Orange Bowl. By the way the landscape has changed since the 90 expansion and those comments are certainly outdated.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

Techman, The ACC originally invited Syracuse. But at the time there were only 9 schools in the ACC and there needed to be 7 votes in favor of expansion. Carolina and Duke opposed it. The Gov. of VA (think it was Mark Warner at the time but not 100% sure) told UVA that they needed to have VT included or they would have to vote against expansion. So the ACC dropped Syracuse and included VT to buy UVA’s vote.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:21 am

Come on, Gator. You opened the can of worms on Bear Bryant. Answer. What did you call it? A pique of fit or something? Waiting………

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
11:21 am

Simple Techster = NCSU grad

NCSU’s ranking by US News & World Reports’ Best National Universties?

88th ! ! !

;)

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Techster, I wouldn’t comment on Georgia winning a conference championship when they beat your ass with about half your stadium wearing Red and South Carolina beating your runner-up. ACC, what a football conference. Maybe the ACC should invite Vandy to join them.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Oh wait….I FOUND MORE!!!!

Another issue of concern for Dodd was Alabama’s and other SEC schools’ over-recruitment of players.[18] Universities would recruit more players than they had roster space for. During the summer practice sessions, the teams in question would cut the players well after signing day thus preventing the cut players from finding new colleges to play for. Dodd appealed the SEC administration to punish the “tryout camps” of his fellow SEC members but the SEC did not. Finally, Dodd withdrew Georgia Tech from the SEC in 1963.[18] Tech would remain an independent like Notre Dame and Penn State (at the time) during the final four years of Dodd’s coaching tenure. In 1967, Dodd passed the head coach position to his favorite coordinator, Bud Carson. Dodd simply retained his athletic director position, which he had acquired in 1950. He would not retire from athletic directing until 1976.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Tech left the SEC in ‘64 for one reason only.

Dodd & crew got the big head and thought Tech could be the “Notre Dame of the South” by playing an independent schedule.

Talk about boneheaded moves. The SEC & college football as a whole exploded in popularity around this time and Tech was left in the dust. Where they have been ever since.

In ‘78 Tech tried to be re-admitted to the SEC. Were blackballed by Bear/Bama and UGA.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:23 am

Ummm…what does Techs first bowl game as a independent have to do with anything you said about why Tech left in the first place?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:24 am

You are absolutely correct Bill, they were arrogant, thought they could generate more revenue by not splitting the SEC bowl money pie and it back fired. The talk about scholarships, etc is BS.

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

collegeballfan: ““ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis”

Finally thanks. But with B10 reportedly after Syracuse or Rutgers in the least maybe Pitt I’m not sure. They would be great for the good additions but I think B10 gets one or two of them. I actually like the Cincy pick for the southern Ohio market adds 1.5 – 2.5 million TV sets, I think if you threw Louisville in there rather than Memphis you’d have something awesome going for 2 programs on the up.

For the B12 I think loosing the Huskers hurts more in the TV draw from the rivalries they had rather than the amount of people in the state. I think they go with TCU and Utah if they stand pat. They already own the TV markets with Tex and A&M, but I think TCU has a larger alumni base that would watch as oppsoedto Houston. I could be wrong about that. But Utah cause you have to make up some of the ground you just lost with you footprint. I know BYU is the school in Salt Lake market though, and they have baptist Baylor so BYU may not be out of that picture.

30144Horn

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive appears to be pulling out every enticement he can to lure Texas and Texas A&M to the SEC, including possibly moving two teams from the SEC West to the SEC East to allow Texas and Texas A&M in the SEC West, one source with knowledge of the SEC said.

Alabama and Auburn to the SEC West!

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

Thanks, Flair. Since this is a blog, I think i am still required to call you a dummy or tell you that your team sux and that God follows my team.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:26 am

You beat our ass? I’m sorry. You won 30-24. You were winning 17-3 at halftime. 6 points and a dropped pass is not exactly what i call a ass-whooping. Yes, you ran the ball down our throats. Common theme from last year. Just like we ran for 400 in 08, you ran for over 300 in 09.

sonny chapman

June 11th, 2010
11:27 am

Texas A&M in the SEC West & Va. Tech. in SEC East. Now that’s a happy & rich bunch of Rednecks expanding TV $ in the Texas Market & in the D.C/Va. market. We all talk the same & we all LOVE us some goooood College Football !

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:27 am

techster, what was NC States ranking in academics? Oh yea, are they in the AAU? No of course, but your main rival UNC is.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:28 am

Tech left because Alabama played dirty, recruited dirty, and acted dirty. SEC could have cared less. If that were done in present day times, Bama would have gotten the death penalty.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

Ha. Funny post, Tech man.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

So, Techster are you North Carolina State or Georgia Tech?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

UNC doesnt offer Earth Science degrees. NC State did and is nationally renowned for thier programs. Next question please.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

GEORGIA TECH BORN AND RAISED

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

No Simple Man, they left because they were arrogant and greedy and thought they could make it on their own. It didn’t work out too well did it?

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

A question for SEC fans and Tony Barnhart:

Quick comparison:

Baylor has 12,000 undergrads
GT has 13,000 undergrads.
Vanderbilt has 6800 undergrads, no AD, and no Athletics Department.

Much criticism has been written that Baylor didnt “deserve”
to be in the Big12 b/c they are a “bad fit.” Small, private, uncompetitive athletics programs.

So, just trying to ask a legit question of SEC fans, and Barnhart:

Is there ANY POSSIBLE scenario under which Vanderbilt could (or might)
get majority-voted out of the SEC, and replaced with GT?

In almost every aspect, GT would seem to be a much better fit for the SEC than Vaderbilt.

That might mean that the SEC would need 1, 3, or maybe 5 knew members.

sonny chapman

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

P.S.–Texas A & M joining the SEC WITHOUT U.of Texas would let the finally Aggies spread their wings & fly.

buckeye tony

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

the big ten is back!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:31 am

Born and raised, but where were you educated?

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Techster, it’s weird to me. Although you are doing your best to make all of us look like idiots, I do appreciate your absurd resolve. Wrong until the end.

Earth sciences, eh?

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Rumor has is that GT is going to the WAC……. couldn’t help myself

SEC just needs to add FSU & VT if they add anyone. I just don’t see any of those Texas & Oklahoma teams coming over to the SEC. PAC-1,461,601 is still going to be easier to win in than an SEC schedule.

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Where were YOU educated Ivy Leaguer? I certainly hope it wasn’t at an Ivy League school as you are a terrible representative of one if you are.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:33 am

Simple Techster
10:45 a.m.
“I went to NC State, got my degree, . . .”

Poser!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

T3, I would hate to see Vandy removed from the conference even though it would probably be a better fit for them somewhere else like the ACC. I have always thought that it would benefit both schools if Clemson and Vandy swapped. That being said, unless a school did something terrible they should never be removed from a conference.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

The real story…Tech was arrogant…left the SEC for move bowl money that never materialized due to their poor quality of play on the field.

Around the same time a funny thing happened…National TV discovered college football. Unless your program was in a conference or were Notre Dame or Navy you didn’t get on TV until the mid-80’s (cable).

Tech had to suck it up and beg the SEC for re-admittance. Bear and UGA said no way. Tech took it on the chin and joined the ACC.

Tech made one of the biggest arrogant boneheaded moves in the history of college football. All for the big dollar!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

Wow dude. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of the most ignorant discussion i have ever been given the honor to be a part of. You dont want to hear the truth, fine, no problem. I’ll naturally assume that you’ll be flying your pig home to Pluto for dinner before sleeping with your 32 wives.Dont forget to use your God-like powers to clear out the asteriod belt on your way, and remember to change the lightbulb in the Sun. Safe travels.

Golden Rules

June 11th, 2010
11:35 am

Is anybody else enjoying the latest plight of Lane Kiffin. Ain’t karma great!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:35 am

Harvard; I’ve already posted it; Princeton. Terrible representative?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Bill, didnt you die after stealing the stapler and getting trapped inside the building when it was set on fire? Nice glasses.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Pay attention Harvard.

Ivy Leager has already stated he’s a Princeton man.