Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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UGA Dawg in Chicago

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

Tony, do you think there’s a real possibility of the SEC bringing over Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahome State and Baylor to create a 3rd division (SEC East, West and Central)? This would allow the former Big-12 members to keep their rivalries and gives the SEC access to huge untapped TV markets.

Additionally, this would allow the SEC to implement a two game playoff format for the SEC Championship if they desired or it might allow them to use the PAC-10 argument of “give us two guaranteed BCS spots”. The additon of a preliminary playoff round game might mean that schools only play 11 games a year, but the additional revenue from the first round SEC game could be sizable. Is this scenario wishful thinking or a possibility?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

Georgia Tech focused on helping get the Olympics to Atlanta and thier nuclear engineering programs back on track before getting back into the research field. Thats why it took so long. The AAU offered 0 invites during the past decade.

SO WHERE IS GEORGIA’S INVITE?????

Can You Dig It

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Texas doesn’t need to recruit in California.They fill their roster every year with Texas high school players…so does Texas A&M…..Texas needs the SEC…they need the competition…the money…the tradition and don’t for one minute think they don’t know it.So does A&M…Gene Stallings knows it because he’s lived it….Oklahoma also knows they need the SEC for the very reasons I previously stated. The idiot who stated that Texas and Oklahoma don’t need anyone else showed how stupid he really is….its money that keeps programs like Texas and Oklahoma going…and that money comes from TV revenue. Televising their games in just their own states won’t provide enough revenue to keep their athletic departments going strong long term…..Texas, Texas A&M,Texas Tech and Oklahoma make sense for the SEC…If they are asked to join the SEC you could put the PAC Ten and Big Ten together and they still wouldn’t be strong enough to over take the SEC…as far as the ACC is concerned….who cares…they ought to join forces with the football schools of the Southern Conference, add Louisville, S. Florida and East Carolina and call it a day because nobody who doesn’t have ties to those schools cares….Can You Dig It!

Kyle

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Food for thought. Say if Texas and A&M come into the conference (Currently 12 expanded to 14 teams), how do you then split the teams up evanly between the East and the West. The current split is primarily geographic, so you could not throw both teams into the West and have 6-8. It would not seem logistically correct to Have say Texas in the West and A&M in the East. So what do you do. For logistic purposes, Alabama and Auburn would seem like the two teams to move over. But that would put too many power teams in the East. The one conclusion I could come up with would be to move Auburn and Miss. St. to the East and have Texas and A&M in the West.

Food for thought.

the real Old Gold

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Texas doesn’t fit in the SEC. It just doesn’t.

Buck Futt

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

I’m a Texas alum, and Texas will never join the SEC. UT likes being a big fish swimming with minnows; in the SEC they’d be swimming with sharks. They’ll go to the Pathetic-10 where the pickings are much easier.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

SOGADAWG, definitely! Techsters are full of SH!T!!! Beat your chest about academic superiority, but you guys take in just as many dummies to play sports as the rest do! Furthermore, why would the SEC want GT and their miniscule stadium and mediocre athletics? We already have VANDY for that!

harry

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

Tony thank you for you excellent writing on college football. Your articles are great for the info you bring and the way you present it. You are one of the best. We need more fact based and insight filled articles like yours on ajc.com

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:51 am

Simple Techster that is just hilarious; focusing on getting the Olympics to the ATL? Now THAT is a research university!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:51 am

barb,

I said that Florida and Alabama, the 2 most powerful SEC schools, therefore naturally holding the most clout, would only have to take themselves and thier no vote and convince 3 other schools to vote the same. Thats exactly what i said. Do you need assistance reading? There is nothing wrong with my facts.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:52 am

No….but it did help create THOUSANDS of jobs in the Atlanta area and brought MILLIONS of dollars into the local economy. Wow….what a terrible thing to do.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:53 am

Ga gator, there is no need to be defensive. UF is a fine school, an AAU member as you point out. There is no doubt that some athletes have credentials that are below the average student body, but my point is that Tech, which left in 1964 I believe, has a different model than simply being known as an Institute which has a big-time football program and I believe most Tech graduates are happy with the choices made. I will even grant you the SEC is the superior football conference, just as the ACC is the superior basketball conference, but other than providing entertainment value, how does that help the average student achieve his life goals?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:53 am

While they were doing that, why didn’t they clean up the slums surrounding Tech?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
10:54 am

Fair enough, Dawg Colonel. I’ll assume you’re incapable of defending your position.

TheWad

June 11th, 2010
10:54 am

If the SEC feels the need to expand:

Take Missouri in the west, VT in the east, Clemson in the south, and then it`s a tossup with FSU, WVA, VA, Miami, Louisville…… gt will not get an invite because the SEC already owns the Atlanta tv market and therefore gt has nothing to add to the tv money pie.

Leave the Texas mess for someone else to clean up……SEC doesn`t need them. If there is something to the AAU school ranking then the SEC needs to let this expansion fling be the wakeup call to get their academic house in order lest academics proves to be their undoing in the next decade.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:55 am

So hey…why dont one of you Dawg fans write about why you think Tech left the SEC and what Georgias’ stance on the whole thing was?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:55 am

Silliness. The University of Florida is not going to “veto” the University of Miami joining the SEC. Afterall, why would the SEC want the University of Miami? Miami has about 9,800 undergraduates, and can’t fill its home stadium for its current ACC home games, let alone potential SEC away games in Tuscaloosa, Athens, Baton Rouge and Lexington.

Nope, Florida will not veto Miami, because the other 11 SEC schools will never vote to offer Miami an invitation to join. The SEC would love to have FSU, but neither is going to happen. Take it to the bank.

Charleston,South Carolina

June 11th, 2010
10:56 am

Is Florida playing powerful Charleston Southern this year?

ToccoaDawg

June 11th, 2010
10:56 am

If the SEC is to expand they should go after A&M, okie VT and Clemson

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

Hey….Ivy Leaguer…where are you from?
Have you ever been to Atlanta? Do you know anything about it? Talking about slums if you know nothing about it, that just makes you plain bleeping arrogant.

Chicken Head

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

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nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

Simple Techster : I thin I see where you are comming from but it still only takes 9/12. Flordia and Bamma hold clout on the football field, and Bamma has only had that clout recently since Satan arrived, they were attrocious for a while there.

The SEC works together. Everyone has the equal share. Which is one reason that makes it stronger than the B12.

To assume that FLA + Bamma hold court over the rest of the league is to assume to much with no basis in reality. This isn’t the B12 and they aren’t Tex and A&M or Okla.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:58 am

G8TRGRAD—-

You knew this would bring the ol’ Atlanta Gator out of the off-season woodwork, didn’t you? LOL

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

I don’t think “fact” means what you think it means.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

I live in Buckhead Techster, and don’t know anyone who would walk outside of the boundaries of your campus at night dweeb.

Chris

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

Hey This Might sound stupid But How about adding Georgia Southern and Appy State to the sec I Know the other Conference is Breaking up. I Was wondering What Yall Thought!!

Patrick

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

The Austin paper is reporting that the PAC 16 will have 2 BCS invites each year one for each division winner, if they guarantee that then the SEC needs to go to 16 as well!

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
11:01 am

GZ, I agree with you. I’d rather Texas not join the SEC. We simply just do not need them.

SOGADOG “Bottom line, Texas is scared to join the SEC, even though it would be a much more natural fit there than the Pacific 10.”

Well said.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:01 am

OK…here is a question for everyone…..

What if a conference wants to kick someone out? What if the ACC wanted Miami to leave, or what if the SEC wanted Arkansas to leave…..how would that work?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

Patrick dude, weve missed you!!!

..Tebow Teardrops..

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

– Bama spanked Florida good 32-13 –

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

Simple Techster “So hey…why dont one of you Dawg fans write about why you think Tech left the SEC and what Georgias’ stance on the whole thing was?”

an expected deflection. Again you just prove that you are here to do nothing but stir the pot and thump your chest. You apparently have no insights or thoughts to provide or discuss, you just want to bash the SEC and UGA in particular.

Your name is adequate for you indeed seem very simple. I supposed it is only a matter of time before you start writing your momma jokes as well.

Barb

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

YOU CANNOT GET VA TECH WITHOUT VIRGINIA. FLORIDA WILL VETO FSU COMING IN. SAME WITH MIAMI. SAME WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA TEAMS….YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL FOUR TOBACCO ROAD SCHOOLS. (posted by you at 9:30)

Dear SEC fans….

Texas isnt coming. Get over it. They know they can do better.
You arent getting FSU because Florida will veto them out. Same with Miami.
You arent getting VT because the state politicians wont let them go without Virginia.
You arent getting UNC, because the state politicians wont let them go w/o WF, NCSU, and Duke.

Usage of brain is required to use this blog. Follow the rules. (posted by you at 9:37)

So where in those rambling incoherent responses do you mention certain schools holding clout and being able to convince other schools? Now granted I am only talking about your dumbass responses about Florida here, but you are clearly incorrect and should just shut your mouth and quit acting like Mr. Know it All

ryan

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

How does Texas fit the Pac 10 its gulf coast state what is Texas afraid to play in the SEC because we beat there A$$ are they scared of LSU and Alabama.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

Hey Ivy Loser…

sounds just like every other city on Earth. But i guess in Atlantas case….thats all Techs’ fault, right? Plain, old fashioned ignorance.

Harry the Hat

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

That’s the dumbest question ever posed. One answer and one only; because he is african american and the Hollywood donors to the program would never allow it.

That’s the right answer. As usual, political correctness rules. If there was any justice, Mike Garrett would be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

Yes you did tebow teardrops; cant wait for the rematch in your house.

sleeze

June 11th, 2010
11:06 am

The critical question that no one’s asking here is this… How will all this conference expansion impact the sport of women’s field hockey?

Smokewagon

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

Folks, please stop comparing Tech to Vandy. Vandy plays a tough SEC schedule year in and year out yet never complains or whines about it. While doing so they also maintain very high academic standards. Vandy is worlds above Tech and worthy of respect.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

No loser here; I think Princeton trumps whatever punk school you attended.

GTville

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

The SEC is currently the best conference hands down. This is because UF, AL, Aub, UT, UGA, and LSU. That’s 6 great programs with NC’s in past 30 years. However, don’t forget they have 6 other programs that seldom do anything and are quite boring…even in the southeast and the rest of the country could care less about the Mississippi schools, Ark, Vandy, KY and SC.

If B10 and Pac10 expand and have 6 or more marquee teams, then the SEC must expand to maintain its lead. FSU is a given. GT and Clemson are natural rivalries and will lock up the southeast. TX x2 and OK x2 are great expansions. If GT is left out and Big 10 does not pick up, they are dead. If Big 10 picks up, then B10 gets foot into the south and may be a thorn in the SEC’s side for decades.

What will happen is the ACC remains intact and adds Notre Dame and some other solid academic programs such as UConn, Navy. SEC may just sit tight for another 3-5 years and see how it all plays out.

pcdawg63

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

Look for the SEC to offer all four Texas schools if it feels it HAS to. Therefore, everyone in the TX government is happy. Remember Baylor is in the Big 12 rather than TCU only because the governor at the time pushed for it. Personally, I’d like to see Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, and TCU come to the SEC to form the West along with LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss St. That would be a huge addition to the SEC monetarily and athletically. Everyone needs to stop the talk about Clemson, GT, FSU, and Miami they add nothing to the league athletically or monetarily. If anyone on the East is added it will be Virginia and Virginia Tech (VA government won’t let one go without the other) therefore adding the DC market. But I think either we get the Texas schools or don’t expand at all.

sherlock holmes

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

I am in Texas and all the sportstalk on radio has Texas in the Pac 10 with A&M as well as Oklahoma, Ok St. so too bad too sad

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Anyone who says the SEC is on a decline is making a very dumb statement. SEC has won the last 4 NC’s and although it is preseason, have 2 teams in the top 10 preseason.

Speaking only as a fan, I would love to see GT go to the SEC and renew the Auburn, Alabama rivalries. But I’m sure it doesn’t make sense in reality.

As a football fan, I would be stoked to see either UT or OU go to the SEC and play there. I have no idea how true it is but I have heard UT calls their own shots, which would make it difficult in a conference like the SEC.

Question – what does Wake and Duke have to do with UNC and NCST since they are private schools? Can the state gov’t actually legislate the 4 must stay in the same conference?

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Hey Techster, don’t you have a D&D convention to attend? Comic con? World of Warcraft? Let us inferior SEC fans know when you are able to consistently fill that mammoth stadium withoug giving away hot dogs and cokes!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

You guys are awesome!!! How does everyone not realize how dominate the ACC is??? What a joke!
Oh, and thanks for that successful 1996 olympics that you claim to!!!

Ha!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Thanks for the complement Harry, I only speak the truth.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

hey Barb…before you talk again, why dont you go look at what i typed at 953, since you are so gifted at copying and pasting what I have said…..

Just in case, I will do it for you….

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am
HELLO people.
Someone answer this…..if one of the TWO most powerful schools in the SEC says it will NOT ALLOW any other school from Florida to join the SEC and they have enough clout to convince three other members to also veto any invitation to FSU or Miami……EXACTLY how do you think the SEC is getting FSU or Miami?
IT IS NOT HAPPENING. STOP SAYING IT.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:10 am

Barb…..I’m not incorrect. Why dont you try reading before you open your stupid mouth and get your foot stuck in there any deeper.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:10 am

Simple Techster—-

I’m being “defensive?” LOL. Not hardly. I’m just amused by your tossing around Tech’s newly minted 2010 AAU membership as evidence of its academic superiority. I mean, where’s Tech been for the last 25 years??

As for Tech not accepting an SEC invitation, I wouldn’t worry about that because Tech is not going to get an SEC invitation for the same reason that Miami isn’t: can’t fill their own stadium for home games.

And, yes, I do know the history of why Tech left the SEC, and it sure did not have anything to do with academics. It had everything to do with Bobby Dodd’s fit of pique over his perception of bad sportsmanship and recruiting dirty tricks on the part of Bear Bryant. True facts, my friend. As I recall, Tech was a football independent for about a dozen years before joining the ACC.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Barb, he’s unquestionably right about VT. The only reason they got into the ACC is because of politics and they won’t be let out for the same reason – assuming the SEC called. Further, VT adds relatively little to the SEC. And I highly doubt the NC bloc of schools will leave.

Ryan – can you learn to use a period? And they have no reason to be scared.