Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Simple Techster, Tech used to be strictly an Engineering School, but changed your curriculum for subjects that allow the Reggie Balls and Nesbitts of the world to attend. So don’t get high and might on academics.

John

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Simple Techster, You are very wrong about UF vetoing FSU and Miami. Urban Meyer said yesterday that he wants FSU and Miami in the SEC. UF has to play FSU by Florida Law. It makes sense that they are in the same conference. I really don’t think UF is scared of FSU and MIami in the SEC. You seem like an ACC guy who doesn’t want to lose it’s better teams.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

So Texas has to listen to the SEC because A&M wants to go there? I agree that there will be political pressure to keep the schools together but lets not be naive about who the big dog is in that duo. Texas will decide where they go and Texas appears to have no interest in the SEC.

DAWG Colonel

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Simple Simon…er Techster & Ric Flair need to be “At Ease”.

Regardless of where Texas goes, the SEC will still be here and stronger than ever. It really comes down to TRADITION & $$$. All this other BS really doesn’t matter.

And Mr. Flair, as far as SEC vs. ACC strength goes…well, if you don’t get that one I am not going to waste any energy pressing the keyboard keys explaining it.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Navigator,

Not to mention the fact that USC just got slammed. Texas along with Oklahoma can come in and having 2 years to really make a impact in California recruiting wise with USC having upwards of 30 scholarships lost. At the end of the day it does not make sense for those teams to come to the SEC.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Simple Techster, whatever makes you feel better about the ACC.
The SEC is the reason all of these conferences are expanding. But, being the academic superior that you are, then you should realize that. Of course, anybody realizes that all of these changes are about football and $$$, not academics.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

Oh yes, Mr. Gator….

Academics has nothing to do with it, eh? The Big 10, you know, the conference that gives its members more per year than the SEC……every single member is a part of the AAU. Invite only. Georgia Tech just accepted its invite, first school invited in ten years. Nah, academics doesnt have a thing to do with it…..

Idiot.

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

Simple friend:

According to the US News and World Reports’ 2010 Best National Universites rankings:

Vandy 17th

UF 47th (tie)

UTx 47th

UGA 58th

A & M 61st

The SEC is no step down academically OR athletically.

Matt the Brave

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

I would love to see the SEC take Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Kansas off of the Big 12’s hands. And before people jump my hind end about Kansas not being a football school, we’d take them essentially for their basketball tradition. Football would come around for them, but it’d be nice to add a team with the kind of tradition that Kansas has.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

Okay, let’s see. Colorado bolts to the Pac-11, Nebraska appears to be headed to the Big Ten (11), leaving the Big XII with ten teams. Does this mean that the Big XII and the Big Ten can trade names and restore some semblance of logic to conference names?

Just asking?

: )

pi$$onatechie

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

nice article Tony as always! I think the Aggies and the horns could very well go their separate ways, if A&M decided to join the SEC that will be huge! and I think the SEC could go to 14 teams by inviting VT, two new markets for the SEC and 2 pretty good football schools. there is no question that the SEC is a better fit for the Aggies than the Pac-10

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

Dumb Ass Techster, UF has been in the AAU since the late 80’s, research before you post sliderule fool.

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
10:29 am

Texas and Oklahoma will lead the charge to salvage the Big 12 and add teams. I just think that those two teams don’t want to come into a powerful conference like the SEC, where the “powers that be” are already entrenched and compromise the power they had in the Big 12.

Paul ( You doesn't have to call me Johnson)

June 11th, 2010
10:29 am

The SEC does not need Texas. The PAC 10 thinks it does need Texas now that USC is toothless.
Texas does not need the PAC 10, Big 10, SEC or anyone else. Does anyone believe that Texas would like to share it’s revenue with USC? The remainder of the PAC 10 teams bring very little to the table. I doubt Texas would be willing to share revenue with any of them either.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:31 am

In case you missed my post yesterday. Tech neither wants to return to the SEC, nor would accept an invitation if offered. The ACC is a much better fit for a laundry list of reasons. Now, if the B10 were to come calling, we would have to listen and see what their vision of the future of American research universities looks like.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:32 am

IL Jacket, don’t worry the SEC wouldn’t want a school who can’t fill it’s small stadium.

help, I live in Ga

June 11th, 2010
10:32 am

Lane Kiffen said that losing the scholarships and the bowl games won’t have and affect on USC winning games. This guy is great. Spin spin spin. I’m so happy for him.
I feel bad for the naive kids that followed him there and will now have to suffer–wait, ….I’m over it now. I’m glad they didn’t take the TV games away because now recruits will have a good visual of the USC program.
The thing that disturbs me is that we keep comparing then Alabama and the punishment they recieved. Hello. Alabama? They turned out ok.
I think the punishment wasn’t enough. Now Kiffen will have another excuse for not winning. He’ll go 4-8 and sign a $6 million a year deal somewhere else.

Longhorn

June 11th, 2010
10:33 am

Hey, don’t mess with Texas. Everythings bigger in Texas and we just might start a conference of our own. How do you like that Mr. SEC?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:33 am

John—-

You are VERY wrong. There is NO Florida Statute that requires Florida to play Florida State in football. There was discussion of such a law in the Florida Legislature in the mid-1950s when Florida resisted adding FSU to the Gators’ schedule, and Florida-Miami was the premier in-state rivalry. That law was never passed. Never happened. Gators head coach and athletic director Bob Woodruff signed a contract to play the Seminoles in 1956, and the first game was played in 1958, a 21-7 win for the Gators.

Those, sir, are the facts. Please do not make stuff up. There are many knowledgeable college football fans who actually know their history.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
10:36 am

Texas could also just form a conference of their own. Just think, they already have the Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, San Antonio major TV markets all wrapped up.

dap01

June 11th, 2010
10:36 am

The SEC if fine. The words Southeast Conference means “southeast”.

What are the odds that Kiffin makes it through 4 years of probation?

USC is slim. Pete Carrol is slime. Kiffin is worst than slime.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

Average SEC school ranking on US News and World Report: 91
Average Big 10 ranking on US News and World Report: 50
Average ACC ranking on US News and World Reprot: 46

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

Longhorn, everythings bigger in Texas? Have you heard the one about the Texan that was too tall to bury in a coffin? They gave him an enema and buried him in a shoebox. We aren’t worried in the SEC; Texas knows they couldn’t dominate anymore.

Peadawg

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

How about this:

The Big 10 threatens to not play Notre Dame anymore unless they join. Then who’s Notre Dame going to play? a game of chicken is in order I believe!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:38 am

I enjoy when the people of the SEC tell the world how great they are in football. It is that attitude that will hurt in the long term.
Texas is an academic school. Top 10 state funded academic school and number 49 in world (private/public). Research grants make college football money look like chump change.
Albeit, I will be the first to admit that as of today the SEC is the most competitive and talented conference in football. However, Texas will go toe to toe against your best SEC team. Look at the recent bcs champ game. Yes Texas lost, but any true college football fan will always wonder what if McCoy would not have been injured. They would have finished the drive and the score would have been 17 to 0 at the end of the first quarter. Alabama almost lost to a TRUE Freshmen QB that only took some 20 plus snaps all year. HHHmmm

What I am saying, Texas is a top tier school that would be a strong contender in the SEC. It was a shame the the big 12 north could not carry much weight. That is what makes the sec SO GREAT. It is solid from the east to the west.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:38 am

Ga gator, I’m not worried. Just a case of we don’t want what you are offering. Tech has moved on in the last 46 years and we are not going back. We are moving ahead.

In all sincerety, congratulations to both UGA and UF in the APR this year. After all they are student-athletes.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

Simple if that makes you feel better about yourself, it’s fine. Next thing you know Tech will try to drop Georgia off thier (in your spelling) schedule because you are academically superior (in your mind).

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

So, G&R grad, there is your step down. Part of ESPN’s television deal with the SEC, you know, all that money the SEC gets, forced the network to partner with the league in the creation of the SEC Academic Network because the SEC KNOWS they are many steps below the rest.

s

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

SEC should invite Missouri and place them in the West and slide Auburn into the East

Boss

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

Barnhart has got to be the worst reporter in the universe. Texas, OU, OSU and Texas Tech are a lock for the Pac-10 now. And all inside sources are saying that A&M is going to stick with Texas.

Florida schools are not out of play. It only takes 9 votes to get someone in. FSU and Miami are no different than GT and Clemson. But I agree that VT is off the table.

SEC is going to get Georgia Tech (only if the Big 10 doesn’t offer first), Clem, Miami and FSU.

ACC becomes the greatest basketball league in the history of the universe after they replace those 4.

Personally I hope GT is in the Big 10. Kirk Herbstriet has been saying in interviews that GT and the Big 10 are talking. Could you imagine Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State playing in Atlanta? That would be awesome. And the research cash is huuuuuuuuuuge.

I think (very long term) the SEC is doomed to be come a regional conferece behind 3 conferences with a large national footprint and big cities.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
10:40 am

Forget Texas—-Take Texas A&M…

add Missouri too…move Ala & Auburn to SEC East. Stop at 14 teams.

SEC gains two AAU schools…this will make the University presidents happy.

SEC gets Texas imprint for recruiting…

SEC gets the St. Louis/KCity tv markets..

Arkansas gets two new annual rivals…

Kentucky has new rivalry game with border state Missouri …

A&M can finally breakaway from Texas’ shadow…

….This makes way too much sense to happen

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:40 am

IL Jacket, you got out 35 years ago because you couldn’t compete and the SEC wouldn’t want you back. How do you get Reggie Ball’s and Nesbitts qualified if you are such a tough institution?

SOGADOG

June 11th, 2010
10:41 am

I will put UGA’s academics and research prowess up against FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Wake Forest, NC State, Maryland, Ga. Tech, Boston College, and the rest of the ACC (except Duke) any day of the week. My hat is off to Duke, great school.

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:42 am

He Lives ! ! !
Atlanta Gator!
Where ya been, son?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

Been right here Bro.

Don't mess with the SEC

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

The SEC does’nt need Texas and all their baggage.

Let the Longhorns join Conference USA with Houston, Rice, and SMU.
……Back to their SouthWest Conference roots.

CMill

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

I think if the SEC expands, it should only add two schools MAX! Maybe Clemson and A&M…

Adding any more than that would be terrible for scheduling, just think… if we move to 16, all connection between east and west schools will be lost, consider that each yr a team would play 8 from their division, 1 annual rival from the opposite division, and a rotation of one team per yr. So, UGA for instance would have home and home with a team like Bama once every decade… No Thanks!

Let’s add two (and only if necessary), and keep the currently scheduling format.

allan in texas

June 11th, 2010
10:44 am

I am a Georgia Bulldog fan now living in Austin Texas and I would just love for the Longhorns to join the SEC!!!!! The Bulldogs coming to town to play UT. LET THE BIG DAWG EAT! LET EM EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reveille

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

TEXAS A&M to the SEC!!! DO IT!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

I’m not academically superior to anyone, Mr. SEC football is superior to everyone else. I went to NC State, got my degree, all that good jazz.I never claimed to be superior to anyone, unlike a third of the other bloggers here. Just trying to get my point across. And stop making slide rule one word.

UF and Vandy are the ONLY AAU members in the SEC

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

Question to IL jacket and Techster; what took Tech so long to be invited to the AAU?

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

Simply confused:

Wasn’t your point that TEXAS’s leaving the Big XII would be an academic step down?
HOW did the Big 10 and the ACC get into this?
Please stay on point.
(and you might want to switch to decaf)

;) ~

Greensboro, Georgia

June 11th, 2010
10:46 am

——————————–
…Nesbitt for Heisman…
——————————–

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:46 am

UGA’s academic prowess? They have been a school for what, 90 years longer than Tech….and are no where NEAR Tech academically. Where’s your AAU invite there buddy?

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

you know, i see all this GT bable bashing the SEC, bashing UGA, and trying to praise GT and the ACC. Rather than taking jabs here is an assignment I would like you to do please.

TELL ME WHO THE ACC WILL ADD?

Seriously, if the pac goes 16, B10/11 goes 16, SEC goes 16 (and our choices have been scrutinized to death) Who does the ACC add when they go 16?

I haven’t seen a single speculative post on that yet. What I do see is you guys justifing why you would be invited or what you would actually bring to the table.

So is the ACC being raided by the SEC a forgone conclusion?

Seriously, I’m curious to here your response. And don’t be foolish and mention Vandy (a founding member of SEC who is happy) or S. Carolina, we know they aren’t going anywhere. I could see Pitt, but B10 may have eyes on them.

Barb

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

Simple Techster:
Please explain to me how Florida could veto a team like Miami or FSU from joining the SEC, when all they would need is 9 of the 12 votes that are cast for such a decision (1 for each school). Maybe you should get your facts straight.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

Here’s the problem with Florida State joining the SEC, and it’s not what most of you seem to think.

The University of Florida would actually love to have Florida State join the SEC. It would solve multiple scheduling problems for Florida. Florida has protected the annual Florida-FSU out-of-conference rivalry series, even as it dumped the annual Florida-Miami in the face of an 8-game SEC schedule. If FSU joins the SEC, the Florida-FSU game becomes one of the 8 SEC games, freeing up another slot for a potential home-and-away series, potentially Miami or a revival of the Florida-Georgia Tech series (C’mon, Tech fans, get you some! Just kidding. Everyone knows that Tech would never schedule Florida.)

Florida State, on the other hand, did not want any part of the SEC in 1991, and probably still does not now. FSU built a dynasty in the 1980s and 1990s by being a national power in a very middle-of-the-road football conference, dominating, and earning easier passage to major bowl games and national title games. Does anyone doubt that Florida would have played for 2 or 3 more national titles under Steve Spurrier in the 1990s if Florida had been a member of the ACC rather than the SEC? Afterall, Florida does fit better academically in the ACC than FSU does . . . just saying.

The only logical reason FSU would join the SEC now would be more television money from the SEC than the ACC, but I suppose nothing is certain, including TV money, in today’s very fluid environment.

ryan

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

ESPN radio is reporting that Texas A&M and Virginia Tech are heading to the SEC something must have happened between Texas and A&M to piss them off

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

I think Tech should join the Ivy League; then they could compete on the athletic field.