Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:45 am

Jeff, the entire SEC conference is ho-hum, IMHO

VolAlum

June 11th, 2010
9:49 am

No way Houston and Louisville come in the SEC. Va Tech opens up DC/Maryland market, Fl State locks down Florida, Ga Tech seals ATL and GA markets, and A&M opens up the Texas market even more than it already is.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:49 am

I would disagree that it’s ho-hum, Simple Techster. It’s definitely over-rated though. People act like the SEC is the NFC East.

yo

June 11th, 2010
9:50 am

you UGA fans continuouly run your mouths how inferior the ACC is but now it is comical that you want the LOSERS to join your conference, the Clemsons and the Miamis. Do you not have enough Losers who are presently in there already? Hypocrites. Oh yeah, take Texas A&M, when is the last time they won anything? H Y P O C R I T E S

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:50 am

BULLETIN*******
AP World Press
Greensboro, NC

The ACC has officially offered invitations to Auburn, South Carolina, Pitt and Rutgers to join its ranks and to become the FIRST mega-conference. Instead of waiting for other conferences to act and wary of danger from the SEC taking some of its members, the ACC proactively offered invitations to the above-forementioned teams.

Joey

June 11th, 2010
9:51 am

Tony, wasn’t Kiffin’s handwriting all over the Bush mess? How will USC ever keep him reined in? Vegas will probably have odds on when he gets USC in trouble again.

I say year 3, when he thinks the NCAA isn’t watching anymore. . .

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am

They better not get busted again in the next four years, Joey. Could be lights out for USC if they do. They’ll become the Bama of the west.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am

HELLO people.
Someone answer this…..if one of the TWO most powerful schools in the SEC says it will NOT ALLOW any other school from Florida to join the SEC and they have enough clout to convince three other members to also veto any invitation to FSU or Miami……EXACTLY how do you think the SEC is getting FSU or Miami?
IT IS NOT HAPPENING. STOP SAYING IT.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

No….they will become the next SMU and recieve the DEATH PENALTY.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

RX, as usual I agree with your points. However, I would prefer for the SEC to stay away from Texas and their Heavy handed tactics of trying to control all of their situations. I look for Texas to try to hold the Big 12 together by adding TCU, Houston, UTah, or the like. They will not cede control to another conference, not in their nature. Also, really it is not necessary.

TommyJack

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

Cali, 9:13
People like you are what’s wrong with the west coast.

On another note, the SEC should strive to get A&M and TX and stop right there.

Customary Fact Checker

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Tony,

Nice Article. The Texas deal is somewhat convaluted, Texas needs, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma. The PAC 10 or 16 is still a watered down league and with the only competitive teams left after USC got “Timeout” for their Professional Football League Program is Oregon, Oregon State.

The SEC will go get Florida State, Miami, GT and Clemson if needed. The ACC if still in business after the raid will go after some pretty good programs….Troy, UAB, Marshall, Coastal Carolina, College of Charleston, Georgia State, Kennesaw.VCU..any of these schools would be good additions and are not BIG names, however they all offer some type of strong asset to the ACC.

The BIG TEN has to get Notre Dame or their whole expansion will be for naught.

SOGADOG

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Is this all about money or is Texas considering the competition factor? With a wounded USC, Texas will DOMINATE the PAC 10 which is a weaker football conference. That will translate into Texas playing for the national championship more often and playing in more BCS games. I suspect Texas does not want to join the SEC and have to compete against the likes of FLA, LSU, ALA., Auburn, UGA and even Arkansas. Texas will compete well in the SEC but will not dominate. I predict Texas goes to the PAC 10 so it can the power house of its conference and play for more national championships. Also, if Texas gets to dominate a conference like the PAC 10, and go to more BCS bowls, it will ultimately make more money.

Bottom line, Texas is scared to join the SEC, even though it would be a much more natural fit there than the Pacific 10.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Amen Mr. Flair……the SEC is alot like the NFC east. Old, arrogant, and on the decline.

joe

June 11th, 2010
9:57 am

Karma 1 Kiffin 0

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:00 am

Customary fact checker…..the BIG TEN does not have to have Notre Dame. This is Notre Dame’s second and last chance. Big Ten will hold invite to Missouri and let the Irish stew over it. Notre Dame knows that the Big East is in serious trouble and if it folds, they have no conference in which to play every other sport but football. Notre Dame doesnt have the pull or clout like they did in the early 90’s when Penn State became the Big 10’s second choice and newest member. ACC just got a new TV deal that may reach 17 million….not so far behind the SEC. The SEC isnt as powerful, or as inviting and exciting, as you give them credit for.

WonderDawg

June 11th, 2010
10:01 am

Calm down, ARROGANT, no one on here knows a damn thing about expansion, including me, but …

If the SEC expands, it will so by 4 teams. Whether or not the Texas teams come, it’s just obvious that Tech and FSU will get invites. A couple of months ago, FSU’s president (or AD?) told a reporter that the school was already discussing a SEC move. Ga Tech already has a history with the SEC.

So, maybe FSU and Tech to the East, Texas and A&M (or Oklahoma and OSU) to the West.

That’s my know-nothing take.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:01 am

Texas IS not scared to join the SEC. It is a FACT that it is a academic step-down and a loss of academic prestige.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:02 am

SEC overrated? FUnny, who has won all of the National Championships on record recently??

Also, Auburn and SC aren’t about to join the ACC. That will NEVER happen!

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:03 am

National writers are consenus on the fact that Texas will not come to the SEC. It deals with money and the fact that only two SEC schools are apparently apart of the AAU( Florida and Vandy)? Who knew about the AAU? Apparently this is held very important in Austin.

I think here in SEC country we are listening to writers that are way to close to the SEC and definetly need a more national perspective. This is about Texas and Texas monopolizing the situation financially for themselves. This is a game that Slive will not play, so hince no Texas in SEC country. Its a pipe dream if you think otherwise.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
10:04 am

May be the SEC schools win the National Championship because they only have to get up for one or two tough games a year.

Joey

June 11th, 2010
10:05 am

I know Ric, but Kiffin just has an arrogance regarding the NCAA. What was that he said last year when asked about the secondary violations he was racking up at UT. Something like, “I think it’s a good thing …”

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:05 am

Wonderdawg…….It was FSU’s athletic director. And that is not what he said. He said this on 5/11/10:

“We’d have to have meetings,” he said on Tuesday. “That’s a huge issue — the [university] president would be involved.”
It’s not to that point yet, of course. Far, far from it.
But the possibility of certain dominoes falling — and how those fallen dominoes might affect Florida State in the future — is something Spetman has thought about, he said.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:06 am

Simple Techster, the SEC sure is in Decline! HAHHAHAHA!!!!
What an absurd statement!

its going ti happen

June 11th, 2010
10:06 am

DON’T LOSE SLEEP simple techster

NORRIS

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

Why would the SEC want any of those schools. Apparently there is a problem over there with those teams and no one is calling them out.
The old Southwest conference was disposed of the same way with teams like Texas and texas A&M moving out. Why would we want two teams in the SEC that could end up hurting us the same way. Someone needs to investigate why they keep leaving conferences and what is going on over there before we start asking the cancer to come into our house.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

That’s the dumbest question ever posed. One answer and one only; because he is african american and the Hollywood donors to the program would never allow it.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:09 am

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:10 am

Sorry for duplicate post enjoy the perspectve though of what conferences may look like!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:10 am

Gatorzone,

Florida, Alabama and LSU have won all the national championships. LSU has slipped since then and thier coach is on the hot seat. We’ll see how Meyer does this year.

And to schools where football ISNT everything, and you take academics, research and other federal grants plus basketball, baseball, womens sports, etc. and the ACC is the better conference. HATE IT FOR YA DUDE.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

simple techster, you are a typical arrogant nerd. Academics has zero to do with it. If it were about academics; you wouldn’t have morons like Reggie Ball and Josh Nesbitt playing for you. Wake up stupid, it is about dollars. Tech would leave the ACC in a heartbeat if the SEC was stupid enough to ask; but that’s not happening.

Hilton Head Island

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

*
Did Joshua Nesbitt really have 28 touchdowns last season?

BIGWOOD

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

Simple-no sec fan wants backy road. we’re not intersted in lacrosse.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:15 am

Texas’s arrogance is what has led to the demise of the BIG 12.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:15 am

Simple Techster, Mr. Intellectual,

Florida, Alabama and LSU have won all the national championships. LSU has slipped since then and thier coach is on the hot seat. We’ll see how Meyer does this year.

What’s wrong you can’t see that thier is not a word on your sliderule?

Joey

June 11th, 2010
10:17 am

Alphare, you always make some good points, but then let your anti-UGA bias come through. UGA has been 1st, tied for 1st, or 2nd in the SEC East nearly every year since Richt got here. That’s hardly “second tier.”

We’ve got similar SEC records as UF, LSU, and Bama, but their exceptional teams got into the “Big Game.” We were just unlucky in ‘02, ‘05, and ‘07.

NCHawker

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Gatorzone,it is in decline. Its absurd for you not to see it.
Take your twelve schools and remove the b/s majors that the majority of your student athletes are pursuing, and your APR drops 35 points. From an academic standpoint, it is the bottom rung on the available conferences. You look at all the conferences, all of them have high, middle, and low tier programs. The SEC now has the most low tier football teams of any major conference except maybe the Big East, which wont exist in a year. Texas told you no once, and they are doing it again. The SEC has the lowest number of AAU schools of ANY BCS conference. Recruits coming thru the high school ranks are smarter than ever(see national SAT/ACT scores) and they arent going to want to take American studies as a B.A. focus.

The SEC is in trouble. In the past 10 years they have had more scandal/student-athlete issues than any other conference. The bigger they are…..the harder they fall.

Georgia State Patrol

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Go back to Florida,……ga gator.

Jake

June 11th, 2010
10:19 am

I would like to have the Long Horns in the SEC. Their chemistry would bring a whole new TV package. Plus, they need to get beat up some by some teams that have some speed too.

Sanford Sewage

June 11th, 2010
10:20 am

Texas is way too big for the SEC. SMU is more the SEC’s speed. Atleast they cheat like the rest of the conference.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:21 am

Kiss my ass georgia state patrol redneck.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:22 am

simple techster, you are a typical arrogant nerd. Academics has zero to do with it. If it were about academics; you wouldn’t have morons like Reggie Ball and Josh Nesbitt playing for you. Wake up stupid, it is about dollars. Tech would leave the ACC in a heartbeat if the SEC was stupid enough to ask; but that’s not happening.

Reggie Ball was suspended from playing in his final bowl game due to poor academics. Like thats something Georgia would do. And, stupid, the SEC did ask Tech to come back in 76 or 78 i believe. When it came down to the vote, GEORGIA VOTED NO. They went on record stating that they enjoyed the recruiting advantage being in the SEC gave them.

Get your facts straight stupid.

And yes, its spelled their. Humble apologies.

Big XII

June 11th, 2010
10:22 am

You people need to get over your selves. You’re continued delusion that the SEC is they best conference ever and that every team wants to be a part of it is hilarious!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:23 am

And its slide rule, not sliderule Mr. Gator. Two words, not one.
Also, since its so cool for you to be Mr. English now, its Georgia State Patrol, not georgia state patrol.

Navigator

June 11th, 2010
10:24 am

Tony you are way off base with this one. Texas has a chance to dominate the Pac ??, but not the SEC so there is zero incentive to come east.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:24 am

AMEN BIG XII!!!!!!!

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Well said Simple Techster. Do you work in a league office? Texas is not going to the SEC. A&M may consider it, but at the end of the day, I don’t think Rick Perry and the other politicos permit it.

SEC

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Well, Big Xll, who’s standing and who’s falling?