Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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988 comments Add your comment

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
4:29 pm

I hate to admitt, but I’m not sure the SEC wants to deal with tu. Big, nasty, rich, arrogant and not afraid to let anyone know how great they are. I guess us Ags can be a little on the loud side too.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
4:32 pm

It looks ESPN is saying that Texas, TT, Okla, and Okla State will be going to PAC-X. But Texas A&M is still not on board with them and maybe going to SEC with one other team.

SECsick

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Kiffin cant keep his nose clean anyway but now he will have an excuse when their New coaching staff falls flat on their face. Speaking of A and M … They really werent competitive with one of the worst Georgia Teams (defensively ) in the bowl game . Ga hung 44 on em and called off the Dogs so as not to run it up. Texas would be another thorn in your side that would add another to ten team to play. Anyhoosier Lets all scream for some sort of a Playoff……

Fan

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Hide behind your claims the SEC academic standards are beneath you, Texas. Really, it’s ok, run off to Cali and stay the big fish. We know you’re scared to be in a real competitive league.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

HOwdyDoody

You are dumb as your name. Texas is ranked behind Vandy and is tied with Florida
academically———see US News & World report, 2009. H*ll, Georgia is only 10 spots behind Tex-ass the Gators. Check you facts before you speak.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Neki Ecko—-

I would take Baylor to get Texas A&M, but I would prefer to get Texas A&M and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

Here’s a wild card: how about Texas A&M and Missouri? Probably won’t happen, though; I think Mizzou is still headed to the Big Ten (12).

WashingtonDCduck

June 11th, 2010
4:36 pm

SEC will be just fine. I know Oregon is looking forward to having UT, and the rest of the boys in the Big12 south come on board. Sorry Baylor, I was ok with the Waco guys jumping on the train too but you have CAL in Berkely to blame on that one. They fought having Baylor in the conference tooth and nail. Dumb hippies in Berkely.

No way SEC grabs VA-Tech, or FSU/Miami, and even funnier that Houston is mentioned. Quality football programs of course, but why freak out? SEC is just fine. Havent you guys won the last 12 straight titles?

Go Ducks! Can’t wait to tear UT a knew one in Knoxville come 9/11….

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:40 pm

ACC fans tend to be on the snotty side about academics, but that shouldn’t be news to anybody. I’d say a majority of fans would rather see Florida State in the SEC. The ACC’s average academic ranking is 48.5, and FSU is included in that at at 102. They would be a better fit with the 90.6 of the SEC (and that doesn’t include Mississippi and Miss. St., who are not ranked (Tier 3)). Florida and FSU would benefit by being able to adjust their OOC schedules.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:40 pm

Atlanta Gator

I disagree with the Gators voting for FSU and Miami joining the SEC.
The Gators use their SEC membership against both school on in state recruiting.

Jake

June 11th, 2010
4:44 pm

NB going to Big 10

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:44 pm

WashingtonDCduck – Berkeley hippies how have communal brothers and sisters in the Peoples Republic of Boulder. All is right with the world.

ParkerPounder69

June 11th, 2010
4:45 pm

I really hope to see OU or TX in the SEC. Not sure how that would affect the East, but the East could take Auburn? Ole Miss?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:46 pm

Gator Bait 17-3—-

I tried to post in answer to Howdy Doody, too, but the website ate my post. Damn it.

For the record, Vanderbilt (17th), Florida (47th), Georgia (58th), Auburn (88th) and Alabama (96th) are all ranked ahead of 8 or more members of the proposed new Pac-16:

Texas (47th)
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Colorado (77th)
Baylor (80th)
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Arizona (102nd)
Oklahoma (102nd)
Washington State (106th)
Oregon (115th)
Arizona State (121st)
Oklahoma State (Tier 3–unranked)
Oregon State (Tier 3–unranked)
Texas Tech (Tier 3–unranked)

BTW, Vanderbilt is ranked ahead of 15 of the 16 members of the proposed new Pac-16, and Florida is ranked ahead of 11 of the new Pac-16 members (Florida’s SATs are higher than those of Texas, and Florida is rated as more competitive than Texas). But never mind; let’s not the facts get in the way of some good smack talk.

shane#1

June 11th, 2010
4:47 pm

Why not Houston, it gets the SEC into Texas with all those great HS athletes and is one hell of a major market. Houston has a chance to play real football for real money and BUILD their program. Recruits that may not want to play at Houston now might love to play against Bama and LSU, and against UF, UGA and UT. IMO, it would be a win-win deal for both sides.

marco

June 11th, 2010
4:48 pm

Texas is the cause for most of these problems. Nebraska stated that they would remain in the Big 12 if there was TV revenue parity conference-wide — Texas vetoed. I think Texas may be the only school in the country more arrogant than ND.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:51 pm

Gatorbait 17-3—-

Florida was the chief advocate for Florida State during the 1990 expansion. The 1990 dream team expansion candidates were Florida State and Texas. Bobby Bowden nixed FSU’s admission, and prominent members of the Texas political establishment blocked Texas unless there was room for Texas A&M, Baylor and potentially other members of the old SWC. Well documented.

The scheduling advantage in having FSU in the SEC would far outweigh any smack talk in recruiting.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:00 pm

The BCS TV contract with ESPN (Rose Bowl not included) goes into effect in 2011 and expires in 2014. By then, assuming there are at least 4 expanded conferences, the BCS may not be extended.

4 conference with 16 teams makes for 64 teams playing for the NC. The nonsense from the NCAA about extended schedules/too many extra games becomes more than nonsense. 8 teams play for their respective conference championships. 4 play in the Final Four. 2 meet for the title. That is one extra game between 2 schools than what the situation is now.

What about the other 60 or so schools? NIT? Bowl games?

More than 4 conferences in the big-time mix makes it difficult, with other layers in the playoffs.

The idiots are bigger in Texas

June 11th, 2010
5:01 pm

Here are some myths that should be cleared up about the Longhorns.

1. THIS ISN’T ABOUT ACADEMICS… IT’S ABOUT MONEY
If Texas really cared about acdemic clout, it would have left the Big XII behind long ago and joined up with the Ivy League. The AAU isn’t the be-all, end-all of an academic institution… just ask Dartmouth.
Texas doesn’t give a rip about academics, they only care about making the most money possible.

2. TEXAS IS CHOCK FULL OF SELF-ENTITLED LITTLE GIRLS
Ever seen the show My Super Sweet 16? That’s what a Texas alumni meeting looks and sounds like. The Longhorns have destroyed two conferences with their excessive demands for unequal television revenue distribution. They’re looking for a conference where they can get the same deal and throw their weight around. The SEC has enough strong-willed and well financed schools that they aren’t likely to cowtow to the prissy little sissies in Austin.

3. TEXAS IS SCARED OF PLAYING IN THE SEC
The Longhorns have gone big with their scheduling lately, especially by booking dates with Ohio State in out of conference games. They aren’t scared of playing the likes of LSU, Alabama, and the like on a week-in, week-out basis. They are scared of opening up the state of Texas to SEC teams. UT’s greatest advantage is its ability to lock down talent-rich Texas. You better believe they don’t want the SEC to get its foot in the door (which is why they’re trying to keep A&M from bolting for the SEC)

Tommy

June 11th, 2010
5:03 pm

I love how GT fans or fans of any other ACC school want to talk about the SEC becoming a dead conference.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:04 pm

Atlanta Gator,
I guess I just hate the thought of “allowing” FSU to join our elite fraternity. LOL
I agree that Miami is not a viable option. They just don’t bring anything to the table other than “THE U”. That died years ago. Now they’re just another small private school that is struggling financially in the athletic department. Small alumni base and they do not travel or sell out at home. Again, nothing to bring to the table.

CLEVON LITTLE

June 11th, 2010
5:05 pm

Well Tony, it’s 5:00 & still no deal like you said yesterday….

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

shane#1 – Houston is Tier 4, and doesn’t fill their stadium now, but that could change with the SEC teams. Their 35,000 enrollment churns out the alumni.

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:08 pm

Secretins, how does it feel to be punked? Nobody wants to play in your sandbox. The AD’s at VT and Miami have flat out said they are not leaving the ACC. FSU knows its best chance into the BCS party is w/ the ACC and not thru division play in the $ec.
Toby Barnyard…sorry…but Tehass does not need to talk w/ the sec. If they did, they were being kind to the desperate.
Your arrogant, myopic view of the college football world is crumbling before your eyes, and you can’t stand it. Your best play is to do nothing and ask the ACC for a joint venture broadcast alliance. You bring the football viewers; the ACC will bring all the rest. Because let’s face it…you’ve got no academic cred, no ethics cred, no basketball, very little baseball, don’t play much else, women boil water…really an impressive collection of institutions. Without Vandy, and to a lesser degree UF and UGa, and without football, you might as well be a collection of trade schools.

Cunning Stunts

June 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

I wish Texas would come to the SEC so we could beat that a$$ on a regular basis. They are weak. Colt McCoy has female genitals.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

XpatHeel,
You sound just like a little girl that just saw the prettiest girl at school talk to her boyfriend. Get a grip with the envy. It’s not gonna get him to come back. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:32 pm

Xpatheel—-

Speaking as an alumnus of both the University of Virginia and the University of Florida, I ask you: “Arrogant much?”

You do realize that Vanderbilt is ranked of 11 of 12 ACC schools, and the University of Florida is ranked ahead of half of the ACC schools, right? And of the six ACC schools ranked ahead of Florida, 3 of them are private institutions less than one-third the size of Florida, right?

Get back to me when North Carolina wins two Division I football championships AND two Division I basketball championships in two years.

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:33 pm

Beast…
Envy???
Is Swofford running all around like a chicken with his head cut off, dialing for dollars? Slive is desperate. I’d say you secretins are the ones w/ a terminal case of envy.
Read my post. You got zip reason to live, little people.
The ACC will continue to be the conference admired most by everyone who doesn’t flip burgers or scoop out storm drains for a living.

gcs

June 11th, 2010
5:34 pm

Where is NCAA president Mark Emmert in all this madness? Why hasn’t he stepped in and done something, anything?

.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:38 pm

BTW, is that fool Tar Heel still lurking around here?

If so, please let him know that the SEC has won 7 of the last 20 College World Series. How many for the ACC? That’s right: zero.

Punk.

paul mccarthey

June 11th, 2010
5:40 pm

Texas will not come to the SEC because of the poor academics of the schools there.

paul mccarthey

June 11th, 2010
5:41 pm

except for Vandy

jon matrix

June 11th, 2010
5:42 pm

Texas is a much better fit academically with Stanford and USC. I agree it is a better conference for them

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:43 pm

Uh-oh, a Heel arguing with a Wahoo…who would have thunk it?

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:43 pm

ajc, thanks for erasing my reply to the A.Gator.
censorship maybe?
or envy?

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:46 pm

Xpatheel,
Most of what you wrote is just plain garbage. The SEC has no basketball? Took home 3 NC’s this past decade. Very little baseball? Check out the teams still alive for the World Series. Football is FAR superior to what the Almost College Conference puts out there. I mean Wake Forest was your powerhouse for several years. That’s just sad. The ACC is only admired by the conferences that don’t get an automatic bid to the BCS games.
Not only are you a petty, jealous person, you’re a flat out liar, too.
By the way, I DO NOT want a frappe with that order!

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:46 pm

Xpatheel—-

More likely user error.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
5:50 pm

Xpatheel
Do go back and read that one post you sent. It makes you sound like a whiny little girl. Why all the hate? You have no proof on your stats about the SEC. all opinions. I guess someone kicked your dog today! Angry little man!

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
5:58 pm

Here we come SEC

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:00 pm

Let tu rub shoulders with Stanford and Cal all day. I’ll take the down and dirty South.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:06 pm

Austin American Statesman…tu, ttu, OK, and OK ST to Pac 10 not A&M yet. Baylor out in the cold.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:10 pm

Delbert,
You seem to be one of the most well-informed folks on this blog. Do you have any insight to the question I asked on my post at 4:19 pm?

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:16 pm

Beast – I read that earlier, and I don’t have an answer. I would be surprised if there aren’t clauses in the contracts to cover changes in the makeup of the conferences, though. That would seem to me to be elementary, but I’m familiar only with other businesses (engineering services contracts), not media companies.

jumbeauxtiger

June 11th, 2010
6:17 pm

gcs,

Emmert doesn’t take office as NCAA President until November.

XpatHeel,

You said the SEC has “very little baseball”. The SEC has 5 teams in the 16 Super Regionals that start today and the defending champ is a SEC school.

You have no credibility on this site as all you are spewing is just your jealousy of the SEC.

This is a football blog. The SEC is superior to the ACC. Any SEC fan with a brain will acknowledge that the ACC is superior to the SEC in basketball.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
6:25 pm

Beast from the east, Tony posted in another blog earlier that there is a clause where the SEC could renegotiate its TV contracts if they were to expand.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:27 pm

I believe in free speech, but I wish there was some kind of internet Drano I could use when needed.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:28 pm

Delbert,
I heard someone on the radio say that the contract was set in stone and that the payout for each team would be reduced if new teams were added. I want to say I heard it on 680 the Fan. Might have been Chuck and Chernoff’s show, but I’m not sure.
I guess it must not be true or Slive would be wasting his time. There’s no way the schools would agree to less money.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:31 pm

Thanks, Hugo. I felt like that had to be the case, but wasn’t sure.
This is all just crazy!!!!!! Sure has created quite a buzz around the entire nation. This country and particularly this region sure does love it’s college football.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:31 pm

AGGIE.. Why do the aggie always say “tu”? It further demonstrates the jealous and insecurity Texas A&M how inferior atm is to Texas. Like being in grade school

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:35 pm

Academically Texas is a top 10 business, law and medical school. What they require of other conferences is a higher academic standard of athletic scholarships. As for the SEC having a footprint in the SEC… Is anybody stopping them currently from recruiting in Texas. BY the look at the map… Texas is next to Louisiana. Some players goto LSU to play football. Perhaps, they do not have the academics either.

Yes, academics are important. That is real money. A 100k grant to do research, etc… makes football money look simple

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:36 pm

Lets realize that atm is not going to the SEC. They would be crushed in the SEC just as they have been crushed in the big 12. I dont think they have ever played a big 12 conf champ game.