Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:09 pm

Tom O.: We take academics seriously and Big Ten is a big fit in that regard.
Tom O.: Being in Big 10 puts us on more level playing field
Tom O.: We’re often at a disadvantage by having to compete against sunbelt Big 12 teams
Tom O.: “The stability of the Big Ten is something that we cannot ignore at this time”
Tom O.: “Recruiting is certainly an issue.”

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:13 pm

Nebraska announced it on the web site 10 minutes ago.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

According to Chip Brown and orangebloods Texas will announce next Tuesday that it is joining the Pac 10. They also say 4 teams are locks to join the Pac 10 and one is on the fence. The 4 locks are obviously Texas, Oklahoma, Ok State, and Texas Tech. Texas A&M has to be the one on the fence. Sorry Tony, it looks like Texas didnt have to listen to the SEC.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:16 pm

Tom O.: “We will continue to recruit Texas.”
Tom O.: We’ll continue to recruit Calif and southeast US
Tom O.: The Big Ten Network will help recruiting by allowing athletes’ parents to see their kids play
Tom O.: Outdoor sports, like golf, tennis and swimming, will benefit greatly with more competitors in Big Ten
Tom O.: The distance factor in the Big Ten is an issue for athletic competitions. Big 10 teams are farther away
Tom O.: “We think that (travel distances) will not be as big an issue.”
Tom O.: As for loyalty to Big 12, our loyalty has to be to Nebraska, our fans, our athletes and students
Tom O.: This will enhance Innovation Campus, NU’s developing research and development campus
Tom O.: “We may have to fly a little bit more” to get to athletic competitions.
Tom O.: As for financial issues, “this will not be a windfall.”
Tom O.: We’ve been transparent with Big 12. “We have not hidden any agenda.”

Alright I got a company conference call soon, gotta go. They vote after Tom O finishes speaking but from what they’ve said they want a 1 and Done to start in the Big Televin in 2011 and will either fight or pay the fee. The regents could nix that though.

Have a good weekend.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
3:17 pm

No matter what, DON’T LET MIAMI into the SEC, they can’t fill their stadium and
what fans they have don’t travel. Oh, I almost forgot, most of their players are
on work release programs or wear ankle braclets.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:19 pm

Nebraska to the Big Ten kinda sorta makes sense. They are already an AAU member, but it will be the weakest academic sister among the Big Ten. If Missouri gets added, it too is an AAU member, but Mizzou is even weaker academically than Nebraska.

Guess football and media markets trumps academics, even in Jim Delaney’s academic Big Ten (12).

Old joke: For what does the “N” on the side of the Nebraska football stand? Knowledge.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
3:19 pm

Oh well, I think that TAMU is going to split up from their brethen to join us, Heck, I started look at Mizzoui.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:20 pm

I guess I just got my karmic come-uppance. That should read:

“Old joke: For what does the “N” on the side of the Nebraska football helmet stand? Knowledge.”

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:25 pm

okay i stuck around dont tell my boss. its done. regents just voted unamimously. 2011 it is.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:26 pm

Tide Rising – Missouri begging, maybe so. They meet the requirement of AAU membership, but their academic ranking is #102. The Big Ten average is 50. Why Nebraska? Their ranking is #96. Both schools were mentioned last week in reports about the Big Ten expansion, along with Rutgers (and Notre Dame). Perhaps Missouri appeared uncertain, while Nebraska did not. Just my speculation.

It's gettin' all oily up in here

June 11th, 2010
3:26 pm

When it comes to most of the Tech fans posting comments here, all I can say is “wow”.

How the hell do you put up with these people on a daily basis, Dawg fans? Talk about an envy- and hate-filled inferiority complex! How old are you, Techster? 13? It’s like the most obnoxious Memphis State fan and most obnoxious Southern Miss fan got “together” and produced offspring, and then sent him to GT.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:30 pm

Tide Rising—-

FYI, Florida actually has three NFL cities: Jacksonville, Miami and Tampa. Miami and Tampa also have MLB and NHL franchises, and Miami and Orlando have NBA teams. Florida now has the fourth largest population (18.5 million) among the 50 states, only about 1 million fewer people than New York. Georgia is the next most populous SEC state, and it has slightly more than half as many people as Florida (9.8 million).

So what. It's only money!

June 11th, 2010
3:33 pm

Shuffle the deck and play some football!

coach erk russell dog

June 11th, 2010
3:33 pm

Wake up! Coach Richt is not the right coach. He may be a good man, a good Sunday school teacher, but he is not a good coach. Look what Tenn and Kentucky and South Carolina, Vandy, have done to us. Inexcusable! I am sick of losing recruits. I am sick of poor evaluation of recruits we sign. I could go on. We need a motivator, an evaluator. Uga has a great recruiting base. Uga has great facilities. Nothing is in our way except our leadership. Dog Nation unite, stop accepting this mediocre crap. Do what Fla & Alabama have done, get a coach who can make it happen!
At FSU Richt could run any play, any formation, because he always had superior talent. Not so now.

cantondawg

June 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

I cannot imagine any coach at any of the BIg 12 schools wanting to go to the Pac-10. Can you imagine the travel expenses and sheer exhaustion of making so many trips half way across the country to California.

USC

June 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

Texas is never coming to the SEC because it doesn’t do anything for them. The SEC has small TV markets, poor academics ( except for Vandy), and it would make less money. Pac 10 as it exists today has more national championships in all sports than any conference, this is a fact look it up on the NCAA web site.

hahahaha

June 11th, 2010
3:37 pm

“Georgia Tech defensive end Robert Hall has been suspended indefinitely by coach Paul Johnson for what the school termed an “incident” last weekend that resulted in a criminal charge against him.”

Guess that squeeky clean Tech image is gone now. who’s thUGA now?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Delbert D.—

On the other hand, Missouri sure as hell offer a much larger television market than Nebraska. How many people live in Omaha and Lincoln? If I’m not mistaken, I believe about three times as many people live in Missouri and its television markets overlap with Arkansas, Illinois, Iowa and Kansas.

Jerry

June 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Tony you are such an SEC homer! Texas could give a rip about the SEC. They make more money stand along than the entire SEC.

How about you show a little humility and try to be an honest broker of the truth.

The Turtle does not win the race

June 11th, 2010
3:42 pm

why is the AJC so slow with its reporting? posting that Texas board of regrents article with the possibility that Nebraska may leave for the Big 10 about 15 minutes after they voted to leave the big XII.

You guys really are horrible and should be in the unemployment line. Seriously, this ain’t goverment work, get to typing slackers.

Big Albany Dawg

June 11th, 2010
3:43 pm

How stupid can the Pac-10 really be? By inviting Texas and OK into their league just for the money is like asking for someone to come into your house and eat your food, date your sister and take ownership of the remote. Oh yeah, one last thing…kiss that BCS and Rose Bowl hardware goodbye.

jp

June 11th, 2010
3:45 pm

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Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
3:46 pm

FSU will never join the SEC, they enjoy and have said they like to beat up
ACC teams until recently. They are down now and they wouldn’t want to
hamper their rebound by tryinh to do against SEC defenses. They get all
they want from SEC with Florida every year.

Think outside the box either Univ. of Central Florida ( largest school in Florida by
enrollment) or Univ. of South Florida (who actually beat FSU last year)
have good developing football programs and both in large markets. Clemson would be a match with South Carolina. How about Louisville, Charlie Strong will have that
program playing better than Vandy, UK, and Miss. State very so, if not next year.
I believe Texas A&M would jump at the chance if the Big 12 folds.

simple techster nerd

June 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

you need a little history lesson, SEC never invited Tech back, Auburn and the 2 schools fro Mississippi blocked Techs application. SEC on Decline LMAO . Remind what were the terms of Tech last probation, and what was it for?

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

Atlanta Gator – With similar academic credentials, maybe this one was about football historical national recognition. Emphasis on historical.

coach erk russell dog

June 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

USC, nobody sees games on the left coast. Most real football fans are sleeping when your games are televised. Also, this crap about academics is a joke. Pac 10 athletes are cut from the same cloth as all other athletes. If they could not run, throw, dribble, shoot, tackle, or whatever, they would never be admitted.

Seriously?

June 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

PAC Tin are a bunch of panty-waisted metro-sexuals. Why would Texas want to be part of that?? Uh, or MAYBE that IS why. If the panties fit, wear ‘em!

dogfan

June 11th, 2010
3:50 pm

Texas A&m to the PAC 10.What a joke. There will be a demonstration against those military boys at every game. Frankly, A&m needs to get out of football.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:52 pm

“like asking for someone to come into your house and eat your food, date your sister and take ownership of the remote.”

But they bring a few hundred thousand friends who will pay their way.

PTC DAWG

June 11th, 2010
3:53 pm

I’ve said it more than once, Clempson adds NOTHING to the SEC. NOTHING.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:56 pm

I think FSU’s historical national image needs a bit of rehab, too.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:57 pm

“I’ve said it more than once, Clempson adds NOTHING to the SEC. NOTHING.”

What about Arkansas, Miss. St. and Mississippi?

shane#1

June 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

Oklahoma should be offered now, along with Houston and Okie St for the SEC West. Houston would jump at the chance to double their revenues and they would put the SEC in a major market. Oklahoma against Alabama and LSU would switch on a lot of tvs, including mine. Okie State brings T Boone’s money! Texas would be the crown jewel of course, but do the Tide and both Tigers really want to have to play Texas every year? VT, Clemson and FSU would be good fits in the East, my nod would be toward VT and FSU because Clemson is a small market and I don’t think SOS wants their biggest rivalry game to be an SEC contest. What about West Virginia as an SEC team? They might open some markets in OH and Penn, along with the DC area to SEC football.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

Rank
47 University of Florida Gainesville, FL
2009-2010 In-state: $4,373; Out-of-state: $23,744 51,474 39.5%

Rank
47 University of Texas–Austin Austin, TX
2009-2010 In-state: $8,930; Out-of-state: $30,600 49,984 43.5%

Some one said Texas has higher academics than anyone in the SEC, well as you can see Florida and Texas are tied at 47th in the nation-Vandy is way ahead of both
and UGA is not far behind at #58.

Actually Texas won’t come because they don’t want their a$$ kicked 3-4 times
a year.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

Atlanta Gator,
Do you think UF would try and stop an invite to FSU or Miami? I have mixed feelings. We already battle them head to head in recruiting but would lose the whole “come play in the SEC” advantage.

jp

June 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

We don’t need no stinking badges!!!

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
4:04 pm

@dogfan

Where did you see that at? Link or it never exist

But if that is the case maybe TAMU didnt want to be on their own and stay with the Texas group. Even after all of that, they cant still beat the SEC.

ryan

June 11th, 2010
4:05 pm

No way the SEC stands pat if the Pac-10 goes to 16.

They won’t allow the PAC-10 to sneak their way into 2 automatic BCS bids.

DP

June 11th, 2010
4:09 pm

I don’t see why the politicians in Texas would be horrified by Texas A&M going to the SEC. It could reopen the spot in a Pac 16 for Baylor that Colorado’s move appeared to close off. Texas would have enough clout with the Pac 10 to pull Baylor in with them, particularly with Oklahoma coming along as well. Texas and Texas A&M could agree to continue their season ending game on a home and home basis as an out of conference game. The state of Texas would have teams in the Pac 16, the SEC and the Mountain West with teams from all those leagues coming into the state every year. (They would also have Conference USA which is barely worth mentioning.)

However, as an SEC partisan I’d rather see the league stay as is rather than bringing Texas A&M into the SEC West and Virginia Tech or FSU into the SEC East. In a 14 team SEC, if they stuck with an 8 game league schedule and kept the existing every year cross division games like Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia, teams would only play the rest of the teams in the other division twice every 12 years versus the current 4 times every 10 years. Twice every 12 years for Alabama-Georgia or Florida-Auburn is like not even being in the same conference. They could go to a 9 game schedule to make the cross division games twice every 6 years, but 9 regular season games plus a conference championship game would be brutal and make the chance of getting an undefeated or one loss team to a BCS championship game smaller.

As an Alabama grad/fan, playing Texas A&M every year at the expense of hardly ever playing Georgia, Florida, etc. during the regular season is not a good tradeoff. No offense to Texas A&M.

The SEC doesn’t have huge national TV contracts because it has a lot of major population centers. Nashville is the biggest TV market with an SEC school in it. The tradition, quality of play and rabid fan bases are what has made the SEC into a national brand. Unless the league had been able to add Texas and Oklahoma along with 2 others from the Big 12 I’d rather see it stand pat.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:16 pm

All the SEC should be interested in are quality programs, not just in quantity to
keep up with PAC 16.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

With any conference, increasing the level of competition decreases the probability of playing for the conference championship. Be careful what you ask for.

That being said, if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.

HOwdyDoody

June 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

Texas’ academics are better than the SEC. The Longhorns don’t want to be a part of that culture!

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
4:19 pm

Does anyone know if there is a provision in the newly signed television contract that allows for expansion? If not, then you’re talking about a reduced payout to each school if expansion takes place. Can you imagine UGA agreeing to accept less money so GT could get more? UF with FSU or Miami? I’d say that would kill any expansion plans.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
4:21 pm

A&M leaving tu and the boys is a big risk….fans travel well and rivalries already set. But jumping to a tougher all around league (esp. football) borderlines crazy. Crazy me be just what A&M needs to start anew.

L. Bo

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

the Big 12 should turn around and make offers to some Big 10 and PAC 10 schools just to srew with everyone

HOwdyDoody

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

A&M will always go with Texas, because the Aggies are the Longhorn’s poodle

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

DP – It was reported yesterday that UC-Berkley is opposed to Baylor because they are a Baptist school. Not that sounds a bit on the “just a rumor” side, but UC-Berkely’s radicalism is historically significant.

L. Bo

June 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

I think the Longhorns are scared of the SEC.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

Beast—-

I don’t think that Florida will block Miami; I don’t believe the other 11 members for the SEC will ever vote to invite Miami.

Florida will never block Florida State. Florida didn’t 20 years ago, and it won’t now. Why would it? It would be to Florida’s advantage to have FSU in the same conference, if not the same division. It would alleviate all sorts of scheduling problems.

Only issue with FSU is I don’t believe that it will accept an SEC invitation if offered. If the ACC started to fall apart, maybe, but the Seminoles have a much clear path to rebuilding their football program, getting major bowl bids and possible BCS championship invitations going through the ACC.

Too bad. Personally, I would like to see FSU in the SEC, and so would most of the people who call the shots in Gainesville.

You can lead Renegade to water, but you can’t make him drink.

Fan

June 11th, 2010
4:26 pm

The Big 10 has 12, and the Big 12 has 10….. Hmmm.