Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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988 comments Add your comment

leland

June 11th, 2010
8:44 am

leland

June 11th, 2010
8:45 am

What a day! What a feeling!

Thomas

June 11th, 2010
8:45 am

Cant wait to see Wofford and Furman in the ACC.

Mikey in the SAV

June 11th, 2010
8:48 am

The dominos have started to fall, Tony. Where this all ends up is anyones guess but to be safe, just follow the money.

Re; USC- Will Kiffin bolt again??

Ron Mexico

June 11th, 2010
8:53 am

Texas A&M may listen to the SEC, but Texas has no need. They (along with Oklahoma) will wind up fine no matter what scenario (both could go independent and do just as well). It is the Baylors and Iowa States that need to be out with hat in hand looking for a home.

Dylan

June 11th, 2010
8:53 am

kenny d

June 11th, 2010
8:54 am

Tony,
If this happens it will play out over months not 2 days. We are talking about university presidents and boards of regents, neither of which react quickly

Grantland Rice

June 11th, 2010
8:55 am

Mitch Mustain’s momma spotted approaching the UCLA campus. Neuheisel flees athletic complex, reportedly hiding somewhwere in the chemistry building.

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
8:56 am

1. I think it’s pretty lame that they aren’t going to have a conference championship game. That they instead will ask for two automatic BCS bowl bids for the east and west champion. Isn’t that really just two seperate conferences? That only have 8 teams in each at that.

2. This is where the real drama is. All is quiet on the south eastern front. Texas going one way and Texas A&M going another way wouldn’t be the end of time. I still just can’t picture Texas in the Pac 10 surfer dude conference.

3. Interesting… It seems to me that the Pac 10 wouldn’t let their grand plans get squished with just that rule. I’d think an emergency change to the rule could be placed.

4. Darn tootin we won’t. Seriously, they are expanding because they are trying to keep up with the SEC. Our 12 team conference is rock solid and really doesn’t need to expand. That said, it would be hard to pass up some quality schools and teams right now just to resist the change on the horizon and be stuck with lesser schools later down the road.

5. Ha! I have no love for Notre Name. They overestimate their importance for college football. I hope they are left at the dance without a date.

5.5 USC is nothing for the next 5-6 years at least. Kiffin is a fall guy. Vols fans rejoice everywhere.

Golden Tornado

June 11th, 2010
8:57 am

When will we learn what Texas will do? Alabama is lucky the NCAA went soft on them.

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
8:59 am

Texas exceptionalism has already wrecked 2 leagues. No thank you. A&M and either VT or a N Carolina school make the most sense.

Bill

June 11th, 2010
8:59 am

I belive the assistant football coach listed in the NCAA report is still on Kiffin’s staff.What does that tell you.Also Kiffin and Ogeron were on USC’s staff when all this happened.

Warner

June 11th, 2010
9:01 am

Put out of business. Give me a break.
Yes it’s a done deal tony. Especially now with the usc sanctions.
I know you don’t like your sec getting smoked, but it;s about too. And texas is bigger than uf and bama and uga combined. You sec ho’s are about to get what you deserve. Enjoy being not only a small conference but an academically challenged one. No grants for you aside from UF and Vanderbilt.

Projected new alignments...

June 11th, 2010
9:03 am

PAC 16 – Current 10 plus TX, OK, OK State, TX A&M, TX Tech, CO,

BIG 10 (16) – Current 11 plus Nebraska, ND, Rutgers, UCON, MO

SEC – Current 12 teams plus FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Houston

ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis

Scott

June 11th, 2010
9:06 am

Texas has to listen? Huh? You are one sec homer tony. I’ve read 10 other cf know alls and they say they don’t. And they don’t. Texas doesn’t sit in a corner for nobody. haha

willie

June 11th, 2010
9:06 am

don’t mess with texas tony

North Avenue Ned

June 11th, 2010
9:07 am

God Warner, get a life.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:09 am

Tony B..its good you found time on vacation to chime in the two stories in college football this year….I guess that vacation maybe lil shorter than planned now…with news constantly breaking on conference reshuffling.

Now in terms of the value or less than of SEC expansion…..Texas would be a nice get….but Texas wants to remain the big fish…and it can do that in the Big 12 or Pac 10 plus 5….it wont be thee big fish when its in a tank of sharks

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
9:10 am

Warner, remind me of how that academic powerhouse ,Texas, kept Vince Young eligible for 3 years before he scored a fricking SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on the Wonderlic(out of 50.

GADevildawgs

June 11th, 2010
9:11 am

Texas gives a courtesy listen to SEC but it doesnt fit like the Pac 16 with all the TX/OK schools making the move. Reports are that the other schools are telling T A&M if they move to the SEC they wont be scheduled by the other schools – the other TX schools dont want to open the door to SEC recruiters.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
9:12 am

A league like SEC that has perennial 3-some front runners like BAMA/FL/LSU should not worry about anything. Not only that, you have strong 2nd tiers like Auburn/UGA/TN, and strong 3rd tiers like Arkansas/USC/Kentuky.

Adding Texas does not really make SEC stronger in that sense, it just may nudge UGA down by a notch.

Cali

June 11th, 2010
9:13 am

Like that those Texas people fit in out here. Don’t they execute black people for jaywalking down there?

Michael

June 11th, 2010
9:13 am

NC , NC State will NEVER allow East Carolina into a conference they are in….NEVER.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:15 am

Tony B…..Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com has been the guy most on top of this…and what he says is what I most believe of every other guy chiming in….you should talk to Mr Brown

MMA is stupid

June 11th, 2010
9:16 am

The best addition for the SEC would be FL State, Va Tech. No way the SEC takes friggin Louisville or Houston. Are you serious? The SEC is the top conference and will take top tier programs….Hell, if dumb dumb is talking about Houston…why not take the Western KY Hilltoppers….please.

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
9:18 am

Chip Brown seems to be the UT pet reporter. He puts out what they want out.

The Real SugarHillDawg

June 11th, 2010
9:18 am

HOUSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the SEC??!! They will be the new Homecoming patsy for the league!!If these teams. These new teams better pick up their games in a HURRY!!!!!

Worm

June 11th, 2010
9:21 am

SEC should pick up Va. Tech and one other among Miami, FSU,Missouri or Louisville.

Ncvolmd

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

I still have a feeling that Texas, A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma are going to end up in the SEC.

Mitchell Gantt

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Southern Cal won’t be the last big program to get the hammer. The NCAA has had a plan of action for some years now: FSU, then USC, then Alabama. The Tide is next… and they’re a four-time repeat offender.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

I can definitely see why AM wants to come to the SEC…going to the more liberal campuses of Berkeley, Corvalis, Eugene, Palo Alto are not a cultural fit….AM is more conservative , pro military town….can you see that cultural clash…Berkeley meets College Station

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Houston is NOT a patsy. Last year they beat Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Mississippi State, and Southern Miss.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:29 am

Whoooooo!

Texas needs to listen to the SEC to provide them with leverage to negotiate a better deal with the Pac-10 or 16 or whatever the hell it is. But the SEC needs to understand that they are going to get used.

SEC

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

A&M wants to go to the SEC because they will have an easier time winning there than in the Pac-10.

dr. nick

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

Thomas—Wofford and Furman would not join the SEC because they would have to “dumb down” to do so.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

YOU CANNOT GET VA TECH WITHOUT VIRGINIA. FLORIDA WILL VETO FSU COMING IN. SAME WITH MIAMI. SAME WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA TEAMS….YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL FOUR TOBACCO ROAD SCHOOLS.

Robert08

June 11th, 2010
9:32 am

The best scenario for the SEC would be to pick up Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M from the former Big 12 and lure Florida State from the ACC. The divisions wouldn’t change much with Florida State in the East and Auburn moving over from the West … that would be one heckuva conference.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
9:32 am

I don’t favor SEC expansion.

Does it make the conference stronger? I don’t think so. You win 4 NC’s in a row, how do you make it stronger?

Does it bring more money to each team? somebody has to prove to me. I guess that’s the biggest question the leadership has to find out.

On the down side, more teams just mean more in-fights, which may make it harder to win NC’s, and drive the 2nd tier teams like UGA further down.

Pawleys Island Jacket

June 11th, 2010
9:34 am

I hope the NC controlled ACC crashes and burns and that GT goes to be Big Ten.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:34 am

Expand or die. SEC cannot compete with a 16 team megaconference like the Pac-10 and Big-10 are becoming.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:35 am

Bingo, Simple Techster. But I wouldn’t expect facts to get in the way of some of these folks.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Dear SEC fans….

Texas isnt coming. Get over it. They know they can do better.
You arent getting FSU because Florida will veto them out. Same with Miami.
You arent getting VT because the state politicians wont let them go without Virginia.
You arent getting UNC, because the state politicians wont let them go w/o WF, NCSU, and Duke.

Usage of brain is required to use this blog. Follow the rules.

JoeFann

June 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Tony–

I just don’t see Texas football wanting to play an SEC schedule week in and week out. They’re accustomed to two or three big games a year, not eight. And if A&M is added, I may never get over it.

I don’t think the SEC needs to expand. The other conferences are looking for the payday a conference championship game and network rights can bring, but the SEC already has that, and no guarantee that expansion would bring an revised deal that doesn’t diminish what each school would already receive. And besides, the last four national champs in football already reside in the SEC. The conference “champs” in the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Big East, and ACC are only contenders (or pretenders) to the throne right now.

Even if the SEC decides to expand, I don’t see Texas or midwestern schools coming in. More likely candidates might be Florida State, Clemson, Memphis, Louisville, or NC State. Of course, that doesn’t expand the TV market, so it seems unlikely. I don’t see SEC expansion without a MAJOR program (a Texas, OU, FSU, Miami, etc.)adding TV revenue. Bigger isn’t necessarily better.

ARROGANT at its best

June 11th, 2010
9:38 am

you idiots want the LOSERS out of THE ACC that have never won an ACC championship, Clemson and Miami but ignore GT. Your jealous and your demonized a holes at best. Then you want to invite more losers from the Big 12 like A&M, what a joke.

Robert08

June 11th, 2010
9:39 am

Since when did the rules of big-time college football require the use of a brain?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:40 am

Nebraska board of regents meeting in two hours to discuss realignment and formally take next step to join Big 10

Gen Neyland

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

The face of college football has evolved over my 56 years to the point that it no longer represents a game that’s played for fun. Now, more than ever and without a doubt, it’s a business. The mergers, buyouts, partnerships, acquisitions, hostile takeovers and flipping Senate hearings are making it look more like something I’d read about in the WSJ Sports/Business/Crime section. I’m hooked on the game. Grew up with the game. Played the game. Bought tickets to games. To me, it will always be just a game no matter how they slice it up and divvy up the conferences or the BCS $$$. One game at a time.

As for Kiffin and USC W, I would like to know what Kiffin knew about the shady dealings with Reggie Bush as Kiffin was at USC during the time period in question. I really don’t agree with any university in question taking a beating for what rouge coaches and boosters do to the programs. I know punishment must be given for breaking the rules but the ones that do the rule breaking keep working somewhere and make millions to boot while the programs they destroy suffer the consequences. Of course, if USC W had knowledge of said violations they should not have tried to cover them up. Kiffin’s dream job just turned into a nightmare.

Jeff

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

I’m surprised I’m not hearing more about what a PITA (pain in the …) it would be to have Texas in your conference. I’m not sure the SEC wants a prima dona like that coming in. The uneven split broke up the Big 12 and the SEC has several programs that need not bow to anyone. It’s clear Texas likes to call the shots.

I used to be for SEC expansion but not so sure unless it would be a long shot blockbuster like UNC. VT, Miami and WVU do absolutely nothing for the conference and FSU, GT, and Clemson are ho-hum IMHO.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

Does ANYONE read? THE SEC IS NOT GETTING ANY FLORIDA SCHOOLS, ANY NORTH CAROLINA SCHOOLS, OR ANY VIRGINIA SCHOOLS.

BRAINS PEOPLE….BRAINS.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:44 am

Joe Fann, the SEC has two good teams. Florida played a grand total of ONE ranked team during the regular season last year. Where were the other tough seven conference games?