The SEC sure is being quiet on expansion

Okay, I tried to stay away. I tried to be a good boy and take time off and ignore the computer. But the expansion story is just too good. Some quick observations today. You already know most this stuff but I just want a chance to weigh in and get your thoughts.

1. The SEC is being awfully quiet in all this. Various media reports say Nebraska to the Big Ten is done and will be announced on Friday. There are also reports out there that very quietly, Mike Slive and his folks at the SEC could still invite Texas and Texas A&M if the Big 12 breaks up. Would Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come along? Yes, I know about the Pac-10 offer to the six Big 12 teams (Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado). But as one official put it to me yesterday: Do you think DeLoss Dodds (the Texas athletics director) would rather send his women’s softball team to Pullman, Washington (home of  Pac-10 member Washington State) or Tuscaloosa, Ala? I know all about the academic arguments in favor of the Pac-10. I’ll believe it when I see it.

People keep telling me that the SEC should do nothing. But if the Pac-10 and the Big Ten both go to 16 teams, can the SEC stay with a pat hand?

There is absolutely nothing coming out of the SEC on this. This is as locked down as I’ve ever seen them. That should make some people nervous because Slive is one of those “speak softly and carry a big stick” kind of guys.

2. Can Texas, Texas A&M save the Big 12? Various media reports have officials from the two schools meeting today. Understand that Dodds and A&M athletics director Bill Byrne have the juice to hold the league together even if Nebraska and Colorado (to the Pac-10) both leave. The Big 12 can pick up TCU, which further strengthens the Dallas market. I would also pick up SMU. Great academics and a football program on the rise with June Jones as coach. If the Big 12 doesn’t fall apart, then this process could be relatively calm. But Texas could decide that staying in the Big 12 is simply delaying the inevitable breakup.

3. But does the Big Ten stop at 12 teams? In the short term it could happen. Commissioner Jim Delany recently put it out there that expansion for his league could come in stages. Because Delany’s grand plan could put two conferences (Big East, Big 12) out of business, perhaps he decides to go on the installment plan.

4. Forget Notre Dame. With Nebraska set to accept the Big Ten’s offer on Friday, I think it closes the door on Notre Dame becoming a member of that conference. I could see Notre Dame becoming the 12th member of the Big Ten. I can’t see the Irish being the 13th or 14th or 16th member. Now all of that could change if the Big East falls apart. The Notre Dame would have to find another home for men’s basketball and its non-revenue sports.

5. The Pac-10 will expand. Even if the grand plan (inviting six teams from the Big 12) does not come to pass, that conference will still add at least two teams (Colorado and perhaps Utah). The league is getting ready to negotiate its next TV contract in football and it has to bring someting new to the market place.  Here is another factor: The Pac-10’s  marquee program, The University of Southern California, is about to get hammered by the NCAA. The Pac-10 has gotta do something.

Stayed tuned. The next 24 hours could be really interesting.

748 comments Add your comment

KlemKadiddlehopper

June 10th, 2010
8:47 am

If only Nebraska leaves, why not invite Boise State and keep the rest of the Big 12 intact?

David

June 10th, 2010
8:53 am

SEC goes and invites, GT, FSU, Miami and Clemson.

Beating Tech is our Birthright!

June 10th, 2010
9:02 am

David, no way GT and Miami get an invite. Tech brings nothing new to the table. FSU does, Klemp’s Son’s not really but if you needed a counter balance to the east for adds to the west it would make sense.

Woooahhhhhh

June 10th, 2010
9:03 am

it’s about 80/20 that Aggies would love to go to the SEC. Most definitely do not want to follow t.u. and go to the West. The cultural gap between Corvalis, Eugene, Pullman, most definitely Berkeley and College Station is huge. A&M fits with the SEC, packed stadiums, existing rivalries with LSU, Arkansas (see Slive’s comments on expansion and existing rivalries) and traditions galore. We’re hoping the A&M brass tell t.u. to drop dead today because we do have an offer from Slive and the SEC.

ncvolmd

June 10th, 2010
9:03 am

My gut Texas,Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and oklahoma are comming

MMA is stupid

June 10th, 2010
9:04 am

I can see the SEC inviting FSU and Clempson. No GT or Miami. If they add those two teams the conference will still bring in more than the conference that cant count. I dont see TX or OKLA leaving the Big XII.

The SEC should not expand too much. We have the best conference in the land, and if it aint broke…you know the rest.

C. Ft. Lauderdale Tungstenmediocre

June 10th, 2010
9:04 am

If the SEC invites any ACC members, it should invite Virginia Tech.

Tony B.

June 10th, 2010
9:05 am

I am hearing 2 teams from the SEC might join the ACC.

Lenny

June 10th, 2010
9:07 am

The SEC needs to expand its footprint West or toward Washington D.C. and pick up the Dallas and Houston markets and D.C. metro. I hope we can get TAMU by themselves if we can’t also get Texas, OU, and OSU too. I’m hoping the USCw bust which will be announced today will work in the SECs favor. TAMU by itself would be a great addition by if they can break away from Texas and Texas politics. They have a contract with Arkansas to play in Jerry’s world and they have had a long history of games with LSU. If we could get TAMU and one more western team, we could then balance in the east from Va Tech, Maryland, FSU, Clemson, or GA Tech. I don’t think the Miami president would allow the ‘Canes to leave the ACC.

TML

June 10th, 2010
9:07 am

The SEC sits quietly and watches these conferences screw up with 12+ team expansions. The WAC tried this about 15 years ago – 16 teams with a championship game – and it failed. Not saying what the WAC did will translate to bigger conferences, but anything over 12 gets to be unwieldy and expensive.

I don’t see the SEC expanding really. They were the originators of the 12 schools + championship game model and I think Roy Kramer stopped at 12 for a reason (if you remember back in 1991, Texas was part of the SEC expansion talk then, too). Think about it…what school(s) out there would provide real value to the SEC at this moment other than Texas?

Kevin G.

June 10th, 2010
9:08 am

I think Baylor is the key. The Pac-10 doesn’t want the Baptist school. A&M and Baylor to the SEC, Texas and Texas Tech to the Pac-10. All Texas schools find a home in a Big Boy Conference and keep the Legislature happy. The problem is…it makes too much sense.

Tony B.

June 10th, 2010
9:09 am

If ACC teams say No Thanks to the SEC, then who can they get? Ga State, Memphis, Anges Scott?????

Adam

June 10th, 2010
9:09 am

I Miami is a terrible fit for the SEC and the Gators will probably burn the state down before they let Thug U into Gods Conference. There is deep hatred there.

Kid Ray

June 10th, 2010
9:10 am

SEC can only invite UT/A&M in. No other schools (save Va Tech) bring new markets. If UT and posse go out west, the SEC is officially boxed in where they are. Clemson adds another mouth to feed, but brings nothing but poor white trash. GT brings an already controlled Atl market. FSU and the U?? please.

SimpleDawg

June 10th, 2010
9:10 am

The beginning of Armageddon:

Nebraska moving to the Big Ten + 1, soon to be + 2……. and the talk of Texas moving to the Pac-10, along with it’s little brothers and it’s hated neighbor.

Where’s the tradition, the respect for your heritage and your ancestors? Nebraska, long viewed as a proud and revered football program and perceived as “the Girl Next Door” has been revealed as a “made up pretty” prostitute just waiting for a “john” with the right amount of money.

The coup de gras would be for Texas, and all of that talk of Texas pride, Texas grandeur, Texas tradition, Texas strength, etc., etc., etc., would join up with the anti-Texas, California-weirdo, Hippie grunge NW conference.

Oh, the disgust of it all! Football Gods, why have you forsaken us?

Money is indeed the root of all evil…..especially, if you don’t have it and long for it.

If the Ho’ Huskers move to the RuBAC ( Rust Belt Athletic Conference)…..fine, so be it. The Big 12 should restructure their money sharing agreement among members, add Houston or TCU, and keep on keepin’ on. Let the Pac-10 add Boise State, who’s looking for a “Sugar Daddy” and another team ( Utah, BYU, FresnoSt ), and have a championship game also.

There’s not much damage done, and the competition for the National Championship is leveled even more.

The SEC will have to move if more schools than Nebraska leave the Big 12, and/or if the Big 12 dissolves. I would rather see the Big 12 just add a school and not upset the galaxy.

The RuBAC seems to feel like they are entitled to be proclaimed as the “King” of college football……now they appear to need to add others to their fold to enhance their status….the bloom is of the rose.

I would be most disappointed with the Texas and Oklahoma teams joining the Pac-10…..it just feels….dirty.

Beating Tech is our Birthright!

June 10th, 2010
9:10 am

BREAKING NEWS – the SEC has just offered invitations to the following four teams within its foot print that have the capability of actually competing on the football field :

Atlanta Falcons, New Oreleans Saints, Carolina Panthers, & Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

They will not however be competing in any other sport besides football. But who cares about the other sports anyway. They also will not be attending classes of anykind.

Kevin

June 10th, 2010
9:11 am

Tony,
What worries me about this is that I believe the silence you are talking about is the SEC scrambling around trying to find out what to do because they never thought this whole league expansion would happen so quickly. This is a league that has won the past 4 football championships and suddenly seems like it is on the outside looking in, waiting for the Big 10 and Pac 10 to make the first move. If their first moves are successful, it doesn’t leave a lot for the SEC to pick up.

Jason

June 10th, 2010
9:12 am

In general, BCS conferences don’t like “states that aren’t states” or directional schools. If I’m not mistaken, South Florida is the only directional school in the BCS and there are no “states that aren’t states” in the BCS. BSU should take a lesson from Troy… drop the ‘State’ label. While Troy will likely never climb higher than the Sun Belt or perhaps Conference USA, if Boise can keep winning (don’t turn into a UCF), they’ll get their shot. It’s just going to take time and they need to make themselves more attractive. Sorry, the smurf turf, while unique and fun, has got to go if they want to be taken seriously.

As far as expansion goes, when all is said and done, it wouldn’t surprise me if we ended up with four big conferences and a similar number of mid-majors.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:12 am

Beating tech is our birthright….You crack me up moron, if you remember georgia tech has long ties with the sec because gt use to be in the sec and has 6 conf champinships and more national championships then lsu, ugay, fla, and 90% more then the rest of the sec. They already had a thing in the paper about if gt goes to the sec, they would expand there 60k stadium to 75k….I think that brings alot to the table. To be honest with you, the sec needs to drop uga, they are pitiful with there big game loses…they cant even win a national championship…good day!!!!

Devildog

June 10th, 2010
9:13 am

RE Replacing Nebraska and Oklahoma with TCU and SMU. Might as well rename the conference, too.
What about . . . Southwest Conference?
The evolution of college football right now is downright insane.

Rodney Dangerfield

June 10th, 2010
9:13 am

The ACC should go ahead and get Pitt, West Virginia, UConn, and Syracuse/Louisville from the Big East and make a 16 team conference. Talk about a basketball superconference! And these teams are not bad football teams either.

RxDawg

June 10th, 2010
9:13 am

I have no problem with the Big 10 and Pac 10 moving to have at least 12 teams so they can finaly join the conference championship game club.

I still don’t like the idea of having 16 team conferences where you don’t even play half of your own conference.

I hope Notre Dame gets stuck on the outside looking in. They overestimate how important they are for college football.

Dan

June 10th, 2010
9:13 am

Tony, the trips to Washington won’t be a problem if they split into two divisions.

Texas doesn’t want to go the SEC. Plus, if they go to the Pac-10 (16?) with a new TV deal coming, they may make more money there.

The Alpha Male

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

Inviting Tech to the SEC? That’s a joke. They left years ago because they couldn’t compete…. why come back now? They may win the All Cupcake Conference title, but they’d be hard pressed to win 5 games playing the likes of Florida, Alabama and LSU, not to mention the annual loss to Georgia.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

Look when your team is only ok in one sport as ugay is, then of course you would not like any other sport but the one they are ok in…..(beating tech is our birthright) you crack me up losers

Joey

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

I thought you were gone til the 5th, Tony? I knew this expansion stuff would get you back!

If the SEC can get the Texas teams, they should do it. Right now.

Mightydawg

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

Expansion is all about money and TV ratings, not putting together the best football schedule. Why would the SEC invite GT when the SEC already has the Atlanta market and GT is not dominate in the Atlanta market. Same argument applies to Clemson and Florida State. Miami obviously is a major media market but does the U really control the Miami media market. If expanding to 16, Texas & A&M are the first choices. If they protect Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, bring them in as well. If not, bring in Virginia and Virginia Tech to get the DC market.

why not

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

Looks like Texas would want to remain the lead dog in a conference and just control who to add to the Big 12.
If Sec adds schools then I’m sure they would want to add schools in new states to increase their market share. A few possibilities in Texas, OK, Mizz., Va. Tech. Florida state is another good fit, but would U.F. want to block them from entering the SEC?
It is great to be getting into college football in June.
Will all of this stuff start fall of 2011 or later?

Slive

June 10th, 2010
9:15 am

The SEC is screwed, no more number 1. :( How did we let this happen?

Mark L.

June 10th, 2010
9:16 am

SMU and TCU? They won’t add much interest in DFW. The Longhorns and the Sooners are the biggest TV draws in the region. It would be like adding two more Baylors. The Big 12 needs big state schools with name recognition and markets, not small regional ones. The conference is done.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am

The Alpha Male…you better look again hater, georgia tech left because of the dirty things alabama was doing to all sec teams. Your so funny that gt could not compete in th sec…they won 3 national titles while part of the sec, they won 6 sec championships while there….i guess thats nothing…hahahaha idiot!

Dan

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am

Enough with the VA Tech stuff. You can’t get them without UVA and I can tell you, UVA tends to be a bit snooty and will not want to have anything to do with the Miss St’s of the world. Or Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, South Carolina, Kentucky, etc. either

Jason

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am

why no chatter on Arkansas leaving the SEC and joining the Big 12? It is a long shot but I would not discount it.

Mook

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am

Duck Notre Fame! When they finally wake up and want to join a conference, they can join up with Florida International and Buffalo to form the Irrelevant League.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:19 am

mightydawg…have you not read the papers lately? it says gt is a great market and would be a excellent fit for the sec, georgia tech is in the heart of the city and what conf would not like a team like that…read the paper more.

Beating Tech is our Birthright!

June 10th, 2010
9:19 am

UGA WHO?

Don’t be full of yourself. You guys don’t have a following and you know it. Come on back down to earth. SEC commands the ATL TV market and you know it. Why would you expand your stadium when you can’t fill it?

They also had thing in the paper aobut GT to the Big Televen but that was a pipe dream too. Besides aren’t you guys broke? how you gonna expand anything?

Man, dodging that coat hanger for the first nine months of your life must have really messed you up.

Coach Cool

June 10th, 2010
9:19 am

Baylor’s Baptist affiliation has nothing to do with joining a new West Coast power conference. The Bears bring NOTHING to the table (TV sets, tradition, etc.)

The only reason they got in the Big XII is because of politics (Google Ann Richards)

Thanks for your support

ClemsonTiger

June 10th, 2010
9:21 am

IF the Pac-10 goes to 16, what are the chances that it gets two automatic BCS bids (which they are allegedly going to request)? My thought/hope is that won’t happen, but if it does, I bet that pushes a lot of conferences to 16 teams and things get messy fast.

Texas, A&M, Clemson, and FSU to the SEC would be my ideal, but my guess is that ain’t happening in a million years…

the real Old Gold

June 10th, 2010
9:23 am

The SEC would invite GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami. That locks up 3 more complete states.

Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas are already complete state locks with major major college football.. That gives Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida the complete and total lock… locking down Atlanta.. the prize jewel.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:25 am

BEATING TECH IS OUR BIRTHRIGHT…MAN I KNOW THIS IS SEC COUNTRY IN FOOTBALL AS IT IS ACC COUNTRY IN HOOPS, HOW IS A UNIVERSITY BROKE AND STILL IN BUSINESS DUMMY. I CAN TELL YOU ARE A SAD DAWG FAN, AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CANT FILL OUR STADIUM, I HAVE HAD SEASON TICKETS FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS AND SEE IT FULL ALL THE TIME GOOBER. THE COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE DID NOT QUITE SELL OUT WAS WHEN THE FANS WANTED THAT CRAPPY ASS CHAN GAILEY OUTTA THERE, THAT WAS JUST TO GET A POINT ACROSS. ARE YOU NOW TELLING ME THAT UGA HAS MORE TITLES THEN GT TOO…..MAN YOUR LOST AND HAVE NO CLUE. DO YOUR RESEARCH ON HOW MUCH MONEY GT PULLS IN…YOU WILL FILL LIKE A HUGE IDIOT…HEHEH

Big 10/11/12 = terrific academics and Nebraska

June 10th, 2010
9:27 am

All we’ve been hearing lately from Big 10/11 folk is how they are superior in academics. Then they go and add the 96th ranked national university. What a bunch of hypocrites.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:27 am

They had the sec commissioner on talking footb all the other night and they asked him about a possiable return of gt to the sec, h said it would be a awesome fit for several reasons, where they are located, there student size, there income, there national exposure they get on tv, there ties with the sec…etc

why not

June 10th, 2010
9:27 am

Any thoughts about Vandy leaving SEC? They would fit in well with Duke, and Wake Forest. This would allow more additions to the SEC.

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:28 am

Look hate on gt all you want, but the simple fact is georgia tech is a very well known university and would boost the sec rtings as would texas, okla, texas a & m and miami and fsu

Let's go Slive

June 10th, 2010
9:29 am

The SEC really needs to make a play for Texas. To let the Pac-10 have them would be a big mistake in my opinion.

Go Dawgs.

Andrew

June 10th, 2010
9:29 am

If we do add teams from Texas, a geographical balance would probably send Auburn and/or Alabama to the East. Then you make Alabama and Auburn that permanent East/West rival. But that would end Alabama/UT.

Hell, I don’t know.

SEC West: Texas, LSU, A&M, UM, MSU, ARK, Auburn
SEC East: Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, UK, SC, UGA, VAND

UGA WHO?

June 10th, 2010
9:29 am

why not…we need to get duke, wake, vandy, miss st to start a conf…the big weak….lol

Mightydawg

June 10th, 2010
9:29 am

UGA WHO?, you are right–the paper is always right. What was I thinking? Take off your yellow colored glasses and think for a minute. GT is not a major TV draw. It cannot fill up its 50K seat stadium. GT’s two appearances in the ACC championship game have been poorly attended and poorly watched events. The Orange Bowl had terrible ratings. GT is not a TV draw. The paper has mentioned GT joining the Big Ten because Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State playing in Atlanta would be a draw to the Atlanta market but not watching GT.

unclegrubworm

June 10th, 2010
9:29 am

If the Texas schools link up with the Pac-10 and the Big 10 takes Nebraska but not Missouri (as reported), Missouri is a good choice for a westward expansion candidate for the SEC. It has two large TV markets (St. Louis and Kansas City) and a solid academic reputation. It borders 3 SEC states and is less than 100 miles from a 4th. Fayetteville, Arkansas is a 45 minute drive from the Missouri line, and Tennessee fans in the Memphis area can get to Columbia, Missouri as fast as they can to Knoxville, TN.

NoGaGator

June 10th, 2010
9:30 am

Big 12 can survive with just Nebraska leaving, add TCU. The result is minimal for all.

If above occurs, SEC wouldn’t change anything. re: the talk of Miami going to SEC, it’d never happen. It’s a private school with little following. Their football games are half-full with a lot of tickets given away. That’s the biggest reason UF won’t play them regularly. It’s too big a financial loss to UF to play them on a home and home regularly.

Notre Dame only goes to Big Ten if their TV contract isn’t renewed (not likely with their still national following). They have the better of both worlds staying an independent in football while the Big East still lets them be in their conference for the rest of their sports program.