The SEC sure is being quiet on expansion

If only Nebraska leaves, why not invite Boise State and keep the rest of the Big 12 intact?

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David, no way GT and Miami get an invite. Tech brings nothing new to the table. FSU does, Klemp’s Son’s not really but if you needed a counter balance to the east for adds to the west it would make sense.

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My gut Texas,Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and oklahoma are comming

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If the SEC invites any ACC members, it should invite Virginia Tech.

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The SEC needs to expand its footprint West or toward Washington D.C. and pick up the Dallas and Houston markets and D.C. metro. I hope we can get TAMU by themselves if we can’t also get Texas, OU, and OSU too. I’m hoping the USCw bust which will be announced today will work in the SECs favor. TAMU by itself would be a great addition by if they can break away from Texas and Texas politics. They have a contract with Arkansas to play in Jerry’s world and they have had a long history of games with LSU. If we could get TAMU and one more western team, we could then balance in the east from Va Tech, Maryland, FSU, Clemson, or GA Tech. I don’t think the Miami president would allow the ‘Canes to leave the ACC.

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I think Baylor is the key. The Pac-10 doesn’t want the Baptist school. A&M and Baylor to the SEC, Texas and Texas Tech to the Pac-10. All Texas schools find a home in a Big Boy Conference and keep the Legislature happy. The problem is…it makes too much sense.

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I Miami is a terrible fit for the SEC and the Gators will probably burn the state down before they let Thug U into Gods Conference. There is deep hatred there.

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The beginning of Armageddon:

Nebraska moving to the Big Ten + 1, soon to be + 2……. and the talk of Texas moving to the Pac-10, along with it’s little brothers and it’s hated neighbor.

Where’s the tradition, the respect for your heritage and your ancestors? Nebraska, long viewed as a proud and revered football program and perceived as “the Girl Next Door” has been revealed as a “made up pretty” prostitute just waiting for a “john” with the right amount of money.

The coup de gras would be for Texas, and all of that talk of Texas pride, Texas grandeur, Texas tradition, Texas strength, etc., etc., etc., would join up with the anti-Texas, California-weirdo, Hippie grunge NW conference.

Oh, the disgust of it all! Football Gods, why have you forsaken us?

Money is indeed the root of all evil…..especially, if you don’t have it and long for it.

If the Ho’ Huskers move to the RuBAC ( Rust Belt Athletic Conference)…..fine, so be it. The Big 12 should restructure their money sharing agreement among members, add Houston or TCU, and keep on keepin’ on. Let the Pac-10 add Boise State, who’s looking for a “Sugar Daddy” and another team ( Utah, BYU, FresnoSt ), and have a championship game also.

There’s not much damage done, and the competition for the National Championship is leveled even more.

The SEC will have to move if more schools than Nebraska leave the Big 12, and/or if the Big 12 dissolves. I would rather see the Big 12 just add a school and not upset the galaxy.

The RuBAC seems to feel like they are entitled to be proclaimed as the “King” of college football……now they appear to need to add others to their fold to enhance their status….the bloom is of the rose.

I would be most disappointed with the Texas and Oklahoma teams joining the Pac-10…..it just feels….dirty.

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Tony,
What worries me about this is that I believe the silence you are talking about is the SEC scrambling around trying to find out what to do because they never thought this whole league expansion would happen so quickly. This is a league that has won the past 4 football championships and suddenly seems like it is on the outside looking in, waiting for the Big 10 and Pac 10 to make the first move. If their first moves are successful, it doesn’t leave a lot for the SEC to pick up.

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Beating tech is our birthright….You crack me up moron, if you remember georgia tech has long ties with the sec because gt use to be in the sec and has 6 conf champinships and more national championships then lsu, ugay, fla, and 90% more then the rest of the sec. They already had a thing in the paper about if gt goes to the sec, they would expand there 60k stadium to 75k….I think that brings alot to the table. To be honest with you, the sec needs to drop uga, they are pitiful with there big game loses…they cant even win a national championship…good day!!!!

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The ACC should go ahead and get Pitt, West Virginia, UConn, and Syracuse/Louisville from the Big East and make a 16 team conference. Talk about a basketball superconference! And these teams are not bad football teams either.

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Tony, the trips to Washington won’t be a problem if they split into two divisions.

Texas doesn’t want to go the SEC. Plus, if they go to the Pac-10 (16?) with a new TV deal coming, they may make more money there.

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Look when your team is only ok in one sport as ugay is, then of course you would not like any other sport but the one they are ok in…..(beating tech is our birthright) you crack me up losers

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Expansion is all about money and TV ratings, not putting together the best football schedule. Why would the SEC invite GT when the SEC already has the Atlanta market and GT is not dominate in the Atlanta market. Same argument applies to Clemson and Florida State. Miami obviously is a major media market but does the U really control the Miami media market. If expanding to 16, Texas & A&M are the first choices. If they protect Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, bring them in as well. If not, bring in Virginia and Virginia Tech to get the DC market.

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The SEC is screwed, no more number 1. How did we let this happen?

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The Alpha Male…you better look again hater, georgia tech left because of the dirty things alabama was doing to all sec teams. Your so funny that gt could not compete in th sec…they won 3 national titles while part of the sec, they won 6 sec championships while there….i guess thats nothing…hahahaha idiot!

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why no chatter on Arkansas leaving the SEC and joining the Big 12? It is a long shot but I would not discount it.

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mightydawg…have you not read the papers lately? it says gt is a great market and would be a excellent fit for the sec, georgia tech is in the heart of the city and what conf would not like a team like that…read the paper more.

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Baylor’s Baptist affiliation has nothing to do with joining a new West Coast power conference. The Bears bring NOTHING to the table (TV sets, tradition, etc.)

The only reason they got in the Big XII is because of politics (Google Ann Richards)

Thanks for your support

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The SEC would invite GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami. That locks up 3 more complete states.

Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas are already complete state locks with major major college football.. That gives Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida the complete and total lock… locking down Atlanta.. the prize jewel.

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All we’ve been hearing lately from Big 10/11 folk is how they are superior in academics. Then they go and add the 96th ranked national university. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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Any thoughts about Vandy leaving SEC? They would fit in well with Duke, and Wake Forest. This would allow more additions to the SEC.

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The SEC really needs to make a play for Texas. To let the Pac-10 have them would be a big mistake in my opinion.

Go Dawgs.

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why not…we need to get duke, wake, vandy, miss st to start a conf…the big weak….lol

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If the Texas schools link up with the Pac-10 and the Big 10 takes Nebraska but not Missouri (as reported), Missouri is a good choice for a westward expansion candidate for the SEC. It has two large TV markets (St. Louis and Kansas City) and a solid academic reputation. It borders 3 SEC states and is less than 100 miles from a 4th. Fayetteville, Arkansas is a 45 minute drive from the Missouri line, and Tennessee fans in the Memphis area can get to Columbia, Missouri as fast as they can to Knoxville, TN.

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UGA WHO?…you’re an idiot. Nobody with any sense believes any of what you’re spewing. Comparing GT to Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, FSU, and Miami is laughable.

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Thesec commissioner also said that gt would fit in because of there rivalrys with alabama, auburn,tenn & uga….georgia tech would be a great fit for the sec. Georgia tech is better then the following…ole miss, south carolina, vandy, miss st, ark,tenn now,uk,and a couple more…so how would they not fit well?

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Texas will not come to the SEC as they are hiding behind academics. Please stop discussing them as a possibility and feeding their egos.

A&M is the only reasonable possibility from west of the conference. Baylor, TT, Ok St etc should not ever be considered. You don’t add another small private university and especially not Baylor as they have been a drain on the Big 12 and have not been competitive. Just a matter of time until the NCAA is back investigating their basketball program. Small fan and alumni base.

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Mightydawg do your research on the top 3 tv drawing ratings in the sec….fsu#1, miami#2 gt#3….now keep your hating going goober…who cares what you say. bottom line is the commissioner said that gt is a excellent fit. your words nor mine mean anything. your a uga fan and your gonna hte. just cant get over the fact that georgia tech has more national titles then your choking bullpuppies..

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Texas will be the key to all of this

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Hello!!!!

Vandy and Arkansas are NOT going to be leaving the SEC anytime soon.

You do know about the TV deal with CBS and ESPN, right?

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Fact is…everyone has there own opinion of this, one opinion will not make anyone right here.

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UGA WHO?

Allow me to NOT type in all capps as it moronic. I guess that coat hanger dig really hit you hard.

Tech Champs, 1917, 1928, 1952, & 1990
UGA Champs, 1927, 1942, 1946, 1968, 1980

If wanna claim 1990 then that opens doors cause all it takes is for ONE poll to name you #1 at the end of the season to proclaim champions. And colorado played a much tougher schedule than you did that year. Or where you counting titles in other sports, you can keep them to yourself, the majority doesn’t want to hear it. Stick to the most important sport.

I’ve been to your stadium 5 times and never seen it full bud. One good year does not sell out crowds consistantly make.

If if I recall from the postings of your fellow bumbling bees on your own boards, your athletic department is indeed in financial trouble… Sorry haven’t bothered to delve depper b/c I honestly give two squats whether you can afford gatorade or not.

Get over it and accept it already. You guys always have been and always will be second fiddle in this state. Regardless of whether you got back into the SEC or not. It will always be that way, somethings run in cycles, but Tech football always taking a backseat to Dawg football is as constant as death and taxes.

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VT will not go to the SEC b/c UVA put their neck out and demanded that VT be included when the ACC expanded. ACC was originally wanting Syracuse until Virginia political leadership stepped in. So UVA has a “you owe me one” on VT. And the SEC would likely not take UVA in some type of deal with VT.

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From what I hear, Florida and AD Jeremy Foley will not sign off on the SEC adding FSU and Miami to the SEC. Foley of course has significant power within the SEC, so if he says no, it would probably not happen. Foley’s reasoning is Florida has a edge when it comes to recruiting prospects in the state of Florida selling them on UF being the only SEC school within the state.

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How IRONIC.. Lane Kiffin must be worried.
1. NCAA sanctions??
2. The potential of Texas joining the Pac 10. Kiffin would have to take a back seat to Mack Brown/Will Muschamp Longhorns…

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“If their first moves are successful, it doesn’t leave a lot for the SEC to pick up”

Kevin, the SEC doesn’t have to pick up much, if anything at all. We control the south eastern united states. That’s pretty darn good. Especially when you consider where the majority of top rate football talent is grown. The SEC will be fine becuase these other conferences are trying to keep up with us.

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If they’re looking at expanding to 16, the SEC would be wise to think beyond football. Grab UNC and Duke first – then you have three of the most storied basketball programs in the country to combine with UK. In FB, UNC is no worse than the middling section of the SEC – USC, Arky, MSU, Ole Miss, etc. Duke adds another football patsy, but if all the SEC schools eliminate one of the IAA games each year it’s about the same level of competition. Then you can go ahead and pick from two of the following to get some Football – GT, Clemson, VaTech, FSU, Texas A&M (i say no way Texas comes), Miami (although the attendance is pitiful – just better than FSU, in fact). You could even consider Maryland or Louisville. I think something with two of those four remaining teams would make for a really nice rounded conference.

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GeezusDawg, people in the Atlanta TV market aren’t any more likely to watch Minnesota play Iowa because Tech is in the Big 10 (or whatever it would be called) than they currently are to watch Boston College play N.C. State because Tech is in the ACC.

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I know we are supposed to “hate” each other, but I would love to see GT in the SEC. As a Georgia alum and native Atlantan, I have a great respect for GT(even though I want to beat them when UGA plays GT). They are a classy organization with deep roots in College Football history and a great future with their Football program, etc. They would add tons of upside if they come to the SEC.

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I think this expansion thing is all about stepping outside your current foot print. So markets like Clemson and GT which people seem to think the SEC should add, really do not add much to the conference. I kind of think the SEC should do what the Pac 10 is potentially thinking of doing, which is pretty much raid the entire state of Texas. Take Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor. Then you would change the divisions up like this.

SEC West:

Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
LSU
Baylor
Arkansas
Mississippi
Miss. St.

SEC East

Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
South Carolina

Certainly makes the SEC East quite tough. But in any of these expansion scenarios its going to be tough.

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Miami brings as much to the SEC as Nebraska to the Big10.

You say Nebraska travels better, true… but Miami will get TV ratings.

I don’t like the SEC sitting and watching and hope Slive is up to something. Texas, OU, Tx A&M, and Okie St. are the 4 I’d like to see. It get the bulk of the Texas and Oklahoma TV market. DFW is about 50/50 between OU and UT anyways. OU/Texas is one of the biggest yearly matchups around.

If the SEC does not get the Big12 teams Slive may really up the stakes by taking most of the ACC for a conf. even bigger than 16.

The fallout from this will be interesting and if the SEC does not get the Big12 teams the dust may not settle for another year.

I’d rather take 4 Big12 teams than see a 20 team super conf. Don’t say it isn’t possible…… Slive dropped a bomb using a little known NCAA clause to get the SECCG, something bigger maybe around the corner.

Another thing to think about a Big12 South / Pac10 merger would unite 2 of the 3 biggest talent hotbeds in the country. It could create a uphill battle for the SEC.

Also various blogs have blown up the PAC10 academic claims. Its all money and power at this point.

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When all is said and done there will be four major conferences that are not associated with the NCAA (like college hockey). Pac 10, ACC, Big 10 and SEC will all have 12 or 16 teams. They will play a conference championship game and each conference champion will play in a 4 team tournament. Each confrence will have a specialty academically as well. For example, the Big 10 will specialize in Research. Say goodbye to Northwestern and welcome schools like Notre Dame, Pitt, and others.

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The SEC would give up more in Arkansas than it would gain in GT.

Also who would shift to the West?

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Expansion to a major football conference hasn’t worked out as well as hoped for the ACC.

I wonder if the SEC doesn’t look at the 17.4 million to each squad and think “why fool with a good thing?”

The Big 10 HAD to expand to get a championship. Thier network is awesome and making them money but they needed a championship game.

The Pac 10 is almost completely invisable in the landscape because of thier horrid TV deals. Yes the games would be on late… but they should be on TV nationally lot more than they are. They need the exposure.

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Florida has looked down on programs like FSU and Miami because quite honestly playing them does nothing for UF financially. Both schools have fair weather fan bases that a lot of times struggle to sell out their stadiums, Miami more so. So when Florida travels to play them at their stadiums the games end up being a sell out, but UF feels its more so because they are there, bringing their large fan base and is only helping to line the pockets of FSU and Miami’s athletic departments.

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kgator, if the SEC or any other conference brings in Texas it makes no sense not to bring Oklahoma with them to preserve the great rivalry between them and bring in another one of the most storied programs in college football. When you look at the tradition, size of the stadiums and passion of the fan bases, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are no brainers versus Texas Tech and Baylor.

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or Texas, Texas A&M, UNC, DUKE

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everyone can just forget about Miami coming. They are again one of those schools who add nothing to the SEC. They are a private small school who has a bankrupt athletic budget. The SEC already has the south florida market with the large Gator fan base down there.

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DP agreed, Texas Tech has been a bottom feeder up until recently and was somewhat of a surprise to be in the Big12. Baylor brings nothing to the table other than the blessings of elected Texas officials.

OU is a team that can get a primetime kickoff just about any year and in most TV markets.

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The Pac-16 is not a good deal for Texas and A&M. The cards are stacked in favor the west coast teams. To let California dictate what Texas schools do is a farce.

My bet is UT ATM and OU patch up the Big 12 and weigh all the offers, with UT and ATM going SEC in the end.

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We don’t want no stinkin’ GA Tech! They add nothing…. ATL market is cornered…move on!

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SEC WEST – Texas, Tex A&M, Ok, Ok State, LSU, Ark, Ole Miss, Miss St.

SEC EAST – Florida, ‘Bama, Georgia, Auburn, Tenn, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Vandy

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Otto…

Miami only enrolls 15,000 students. As for their merchandise. I live in the state of Florida and rarely see someone wearing Hurricane gear. But all of that is irrelevant to the fact that Miami 1. Doesnt have their own stadium. 2. Does not have a fan base that can sell out their stadium. The SEC schools do not want to send their teams to Miami causing their fan basis to fill UM’s pockets with money because they will be filling the stadium and then in turn, have Miami visit their stadium and do nothing to add to the ticket booth. Again, all of this is about money, not product on the field and Miami does not help produce that.

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I would like to see Georgia join the conference with
Ohio State. Georgia has not lost a bowl game I can
recall to that conference in years. They would wind
up in the BCS or Rose Bowl every year. Think of the
cash.

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West- Texas A&M
Texas

East- FSU
Clemson

Balances out both sides and makes it clearly the toughest conference to navigate in the history of college football. If a team comes out of this with 1 conference loss it clearly is the best team in the Nation.

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SEC should not rest on its heals in a pious form.
Needs to offer Texas and Texas A&M.
Then look at the ACC. VT and NC??

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If the Big 10 offers (and gets) Ga Tech, the Atlanta market is no longer locked by the SEC. For the Big 10, that is a great move as it would make significant in-roads into recruiting in the SE and they could grow their network in ATL. Ga Tech would be a good SEC fit – Clemson/FSU not so much.

There is plenty of Miami merchandise out there …. at thrift stores and homeless shelters.

I live in North Carolina and believe me, it would NOT expand the SEC footprint. Duke/UNC/Wake/NC State would never even consider a move.

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i don’t feel that the SEC needs to do anything. The Big Ten was so far behind the SEC that they had to pull this expansion trick to catch up with us. Do you really think by adding Nebraska and Missouri that this will even bring them close to parity with the SEC. I don’t.

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Texas will make a lot of money in the Pac 10. An individual TV network created and the Pac 10 will negotiate a new mega TV contract. That is why the SEC should be reactive.

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Hugo,

Austin to Pullman is about 2,000 miles. Austin to Athens is about 1K.

And Austin to Phoenix is about 1K too. Austin to the center point of the current SEC is 700-800 miles.

The travel would be much less in the SEC. Not saying they’ll end up there – just saying that the travel distances are less.

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I hope Texas joins the SEC, but ESPN thinks they are going to the Pac 10, along with Oklahoma. I think UNC joining the SEC would be great, because their football program is on the rise and their basketball team has a deep history.

Clemson has a rivalry with South Carolina, as does GT with UGA, or FSU, I could see any of those joining

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Option A: Texas A&M to the west and FSU to the east.

Option B: FSU to the west and Clemson to the east.

Either way, FSU should be a lock for an invite.

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Assuming that Nebraska does have an offer from the Big Ten, Texas now becomes the key domino.
If they stay in the Big 12, the conference will stay together and add a replacement for Nebraska. Any conference that wants Texas is going to have to offer A&M.
With the Big 10 going to 12 members and presumably adding a conference championship game (likely in one of the domes in the region) the Pac 10 is going to go to at least 12 to have their own championship game. The big question then becomes who are they going to get – if the Pac 10 goes for the +6 (UT, A&M, OU, OSU and 2 others) the Big 12 will evaporate and there will be a mad scramble. The Big 10 and SEC will be doing the poaching.

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GT will get an invite from the SEC if this mega conference stuff happens in the Pac 10 and Big 10. Sure UGA fans wont approve but I think the SEC will grab a school with tradition and great academics. We would bring above average programs to the table in the three major sports…and yes I consider NCAA appearances above average because only 64 teams out of 300+ D1 basketball teams that compete make the tourney. We may not bring a new tv market but we bring tradition, academic success, and athletic success.

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cantondawg – The Big 10 is behind the SEC on the football field, but they are way ahead of them in revenue and these conference realignments are all about the $$$

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FSU to the West. In the East, choose from Va. Tech, Clemson, Ga. Tech and Miami.

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RDU, The SEC is still ahead as the schools can market their own in state TV media. The revenue myth has been busted on many blogs.

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GeezusDawg, the Big 10 alums in the Atlanta area who follow their college football teams already subscribe to the Big 10 network. The Big 10 games are on TV at the same time as SEC games, which run from about noon to 11 P.M. most Saturdays, and the SEC games are on a local channel, CBS and ESPN, not a pay subscription network. The idea that Tech going to the Big 10 somehow would make the Big 10 competitive with the SEC in the Atlanta market is a fantasy. For all the rumors that have floated around about Big 10 expansion targets I’ve never seen Georgia Tech mentioned as a candidate. It makes no sense. Tech’s closest conference rival geographically would be what, Indiana?

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RVD, that is true but it doesnt change my point. According to ESPN the division of the PAC 10 that Texas would be in would consist of Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Ok State, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St. Lets say the setup is play all division teams, 3 other division teams, and 2 OOC games. They would end up playing 1 or 2 games on the west coast a year and most of their schedule wouldnt even change from what it is now. Go to the SEC with A&M and most of your away games will be a fairly long distance. They would also be making Texas Tech and Oklahoma OOC games which im not sure they want to do.

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Teams from the ACC that aren’t going to the SEC:
The 4 schools in NC – can’t take 1 without taking the rest
UVA and VT – can’t take 1 (VT) without taking the other
MD, BC – too far north
That leaves GT, Clemson, FSU and UM.
FSU and Clemson would take any offer in a millisecond. DRad would count the $ and recommend to the Pres that GT take the offer. I am not sure what the SEC would gain (financially) from taking GT

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Tom Osborne never liked the Big12 even when he was coaching and being subject to the rules being handed down from an office in Texas.

Thewizofodds.com had some interesting links on it.

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“Plus, wouldn’t you hate to see a Tennessee/UNC game – they would have to cut the lights off.”

GeezusDawg, if you’re talking about football, the vowels and Heels play in 2011 and 2012….and I suspect the lights will be on. The orange carnage will be seen by all…espn will be all over it. Lil Doolz will get his head handed to him.

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“A&M” no A7M

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This will doom college football bank on it !

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It’s called growing your market. The Big 10 network is available in ATL, but the viewership isn’t there. Bringing in Big10 schools to ATL for weekend games (and vise-versa) exposes your brand to the market. The more your brand is exposed, the more subscriptions you gain (in an already established COLLEGE football market). This will ultimately create recruiting in-roads to a talent-rich region. I have heard GT to the Big 10 on several talk shows.

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The thing about Texas/A&M/Tech/Baylor joining the Pac 10 is that theres a HUGE cultural difference between them and Californians. It would be a very LONG trip for Texas to play UCLA or UW

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Otto, UGA has been in years of mediocrity for the longest now. Tell me, what have they done lately, say within the last 30 years. If anything, they have gotten worse each year under Richt. Now tell me what LSU, Bama, Florida, and GT have accomplished since adding there new coaches. A whole lot more thant UGA. When someone tells you UGA fans that recruiting stars dont win championships, then you all will wise up and get Richt out of there. If I were hired by Scout.com and took a third string RB from a local high school, and gave him a 6 star rating, not a 5 star, and he committed to UGA, your fans would crap a golden egg and go get T shirts made with Richt is god on the front and National Champs on the back, and the season hasnt even started yet! LOL. Its sad

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UNC, Duke and the rest of the NC schools are never going to the SEC. You guys need to give up on that dream.

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If the Big 10 expands to just 12 teams,with Nebraska, the SEC sits tight. If the Pac 10 also goes to 12 teams the SEC still sits tight.

The SEC only moves if someone goes to 14 or 16 teams or unless heavyweights like Texas & the Aggies just plain ask to join.

The SEC has the best product in the marketplace.

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On a “brighter” note, I am glad that it seems as though SoCal will finally be getting some justice. How ironic that ol Little Lane, Mr Secondary Violation himself, will be there to serve the sentence.

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XpatHeel,
I guess “dook” did alright last year … huh?

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Texas A&M vs LSU A&M annually would renew a great rivalry…LSU leads 26-20-3

btw, Colorado just joined the PAC10!

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They never had a winless season. The have also won conf. titles in every decade but the 90s since GT left the SEC. Along with winning ~70% of the games against GT.

I’m not here to defend CMR the first 4 or 5 years looked to be on the upswing. The past 2-4 have been a slump all depends on who you talk to. 8-5 and a win over GT is disappointing for UGA. GT at 8-5 with a win over UGA is a success. If the CMR critics are correct UGA gets a new coach and SEC contracts give UGA more cash to hire a good coach, if the defenders are correct UGA goes on to win more SEC titles and beat GT like a drum. Either way… the past present and future looks better in Athens.

Tyler, with 8 teams in the division those long trips will not be the norm. The old SWC is more less together.

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Is that true… Colorado announced it will join the Big 10???

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

Colorado just joined the PAC 10

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I am not a UGA fan. However, I think they will surprise some people this year. Had a new QB last year and some bad officiating on games that would have been significant. Look for Georgia to become a contender for the SEC title the next couple of years.

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Man, I would love to see Notre Dame left without a chair when the music stops!

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The PAC16 deal is essentially done people. The UT and TAMU meeting is to agree to a common set of demands for issues such as scheduling, travel, and future TV deals.

The biggest problem the Big 12 has is the ambivalence of the University of Texas. UT is so far and above the other schools in terms of the money it makes and expects to make, that dealing with one league is as good as dealing with another. There’s no conference traditions to worry about (the Big 12 was little over a decade old). Texas fans are so blasse about athletics in general: They’ll go to a game, they’ll buy the shirts, but they don’t really feel like ordering their egos around the teams. UT Athletics is a money machine that will continue to mint a fortune for the team regardless of where they go.

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I think everyone is missing the boat here. Expansion talk is about one thing – money. The Pac10 wants Texas and the rich TV market it can bring. Texas wants to ensure that OK and OK. State come along as well. The only problem is who will be the 16th team. The Pac10 seems to want Colorado and the Denver market. However, there are rumblings that Texas and A&M would like to bring Baylor along. Will be interesting to see what happens here. In the Pac16 – Texas will still wield considerable power. In the SEC – they might not. Plus the Pac16 can use the Texas leverage to secure a huge TV deal with a major network (hello NBC, Fox, or Turner Sports?) and could possibly bring in more money than the current SEC deal provides. The SEC is already locked into their deal with ESPN. Reports came out last night that as soon as Nebraska bolts on Friday for the Big Ten, then the Pac10 will send out invites to the 6 schools from the Big 12 that they want. The report also claimed that those schools would likely accept. The decision by Nebraska would likely begin the huge domino effect that will change college sports – not just football – forever. Here is how I think it will shake out should the above scenario happen:

The Pac16 will be formed and will have the following teams ready to play in 2012:
Pac16 East: Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, OK State, Colorado, Arizona, AZ State.
Pac16 West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon St., Stanford, Cal, Washington, Wash. State.

The Big 10 already having picked off Nebraska will likely pick up two more former Big 12 schools and then make a play on schools in the Big East. Come 2012 (or 2014 depending on the Big East rules for leaving) the new Big 16 will look like this:
Big16 East: Michigan, Michigan St., Ohio State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Indiana, Penn State, Purdue
Big 16 West: Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Now the SEC is a little tricky. They basically can stand pat with what they have or they can lock up the powers of the southeast landscape. They already have the large TV market in the south locked up, but could lock up TV markets in DC, Miami, or Charlotte depending on how they want to go. Eventually, I think the SEC will look to expand to 16 teams as well, but being the SEC they are going to be very innovative about this and here’s how:

SEC North: Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas
SEC East: Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Va Tech
SEC South: Florida, Florida State, Miami, LSU
SEC West: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. State

The remaining conference will be the ACC. They would have lost four teams to the SEC which will put them back down to 8 total. At this point they could decide to go back to 12 or become a 16 team super conference as well. I think they see the writing and the dollar signs on the wall and decide to 16 and copy their big brother the SEC. To do this, they will expand by taking the teams left over from the Big East and two additional teams:
ACC North: Boston College, Maryland, UConn, Virginia
ACC East: NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
ACC West: Cincinnati, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville
ACC South: GA Tech, South Florida, East Carolina, Central Florida

This will keep the ACC in the Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte, and DC markets. They will become visible in the NY, Orlando, and Pittsburgh markets as well.

In my opinion those will be the big four conferences. Each of them will have 16 teams and if all of them align like I have the SEC and ACC, then there can be a playoff type scenario in the BCS. The top 4 conferences will playoff to see who their champion is and then those 4 champions can play and then add a plus one for the national championship. Of course these may not be the only 4 super conferences. Teams like Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, etc…. will be left over from the Big 12 and will need a home. The Mountain West is making noises about expanding. If they ad Boise State to their conference as has been reported, that will push the MW to 10 teams. If they want to add Baylor and K-State, that will put them at 12 teams. Who is to say they won’t raid Conference USA for teams like Houston, TCU, SMU, and Rice? That would put them into the Texas market and could command some nice change.

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Like often heard in the SEC, if ya aint cheatin Babe, you aint tryin hard nuff.

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Would Nebraska have stayed if Texas would have agreed to a Big 12 network? Word is that Texas wants to have their own network and doesn’t want one for the conference.

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They would great to see Notre Dame without a chair. They think they are special. I wish they would scheducle a Florida, Georgia, Texas, Alabama or Oklahoma during the season.
Here it comes.. Notre Dame will eventually become part of the Big 10 with an added ACC team. Then the SEC will raid the ACC to stay competitive. I do not like this scenario but it seems likes the cards are falling in that formation.

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“Wow”.. What about all of uga’s sec championships and bcs bowl wins…not nat championship…but they won a bcs bowl 3 years ago…sounds like your a jealous tech fan who knows your team does not compare to uga in anyway

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Tx A&M may somehow be using Baylor as leverage in Texas politics to get Texas into the SEC or possibly for more money to agree to drop ties with Baylor. I’m sure something is not going to get published here.

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Gary, TCU is already in the Mountain West, but Boise State certainly makes sense. I am surprised they are not in the MWC already. Maybe they were holding out for the Pac-10 or Big 12 but it is too late for that now.

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Gary nice long post but did you miss that the PAC16 does not plan on a conf championship game and a push towards 2 automatic BCS bids with a possible matchup between the PAC west and PAC east in the BCS title game.

The Big 10 has also stated it is not about a conf. championship game.

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Like I said, Im not a GT fan or UGA fan. But Crapple, you prove my point about UGA fans that I argue about with my friends that are UGA fans. You UGA friends are ok with being mediocre because the first thing you all bring up is your SEC championships and BCS bowl wins. Ok, time is passing and they are getting old, and quite frankly, really dont matter. Bama fans, Gator fans, Tiger fans, they are not ok with being average, they want National Championships and they get them. Every preason Richt talks about winning SEC championships. Every preason, Meyer, Saban, Myles talk about winning National Championships, and that is the culture that has been created in those programs, and thats why they produce. UGA has not created a culture of excellence to the point where National Championships are the only thing on their minds, thats why they will continue to be owned by everyone in the SEC, including eventually Kentucky.

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Question: Does Colorado actually ADD to the Pac10??

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Question: Does anyone really care if Colorado adds to the Pac-10?

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Maybe some of you don’t know how big Texas is. Texas A&M is closer to LSU than it is to Texas Tech or Oklahoma State. From Bryan it is almost 700 miles just to El Paso and about 1,000 to Tucson (subtract 80 miles for Texas to AU.) A&M is closer to every school in the SEC West (and Florida) than it is to any team in Arizona.
Point is that joining the Pac-16 west would be a major burden for the smaller sports. If Texas and A&M can get into the SEC they will be doing all their other sports a service. There is more to this than money.

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The AP has NEVER given a NC to tech.
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cantondawg, if it was all about football then most conferences would want Boise St as they are one of the best programs in the country. Fortunately, its not all about football though.

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LOL. Love the logic here. Tech wont add anything in an already controlled TV market, but TCU will strengthen the Dallas market? Dude, whatev. Texas and T A&M run that state.

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Georgia offers very little real competition, nobody within the SEC respects their game. Would be nice to dump Georgia and pick up a GT or Miami. Georgia really belongs in Division II, if for no other reason just to play against kids with similiar IQs. Paul Johnson is 10 times the coach that Richt is, and as soon as we fire Dooley we’ll be trying to hire Paul Johnson… good luck keep him Tech. And to all you Georgia fans, please stay out of Neyland Stadium… your cheering section sounds like a bunch of teenage girls (which is about how your team looked last year)

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TB your vacations sounds a little like mine. I plan on forgetting all and relaxing and then I get a call from one of my businesses. Love to see Texas & Oklahoma in the PAC 10 powderpuff conference & eliminate the easy schedule USC has every year

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Why would the SEC expand at all? The TV contracts (just signed last year) are already in place (and not up for renewal any time soon), and they have the magic number of teams (12) to have a conference championship game. Why split the existing cash between more teams? Since no one will be poaching any teams from our conference, I think there’s a fair chance the SEC stays exactly as-is.

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first off, uga who is a complete moron. And thats Mr. UGA to you nerd! Did you know that UGA does not consider tech a real rivalry? its true. We fill up your stadium just to watch nerds in their natural habitat. You tech “fans” are so irrelevent. Their is zero market for tech. THWGT!!!!!!!!!!

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Ok Dave in Tampa, you have a point, I was comparing GT and UGA in the begining. But my point is that Tech has had more recent success than UGA and that is all that matters, because we all know that we live in the present, and the last couple of seasons Tech has been one win away from having an argument about playing in the National Championship game. I like UGA though, and they need to step it up or they will be irrelevant in a few years.

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The SEC needs to try and maintain some geographical balance. If expanding, adding 4 teams to the East especially if they include GT, Clem and Fl St makes the conference even more eastern than it is. It is already a road game for LSU or Ark to play UGa or Fl in an SECCG. The conference would have to be conscious about rotating the SECCG to the Superdome or Bham’s new dome if it is ever built and the other tourneys. You don’t want the SEC to go down the path of the Big 12 where they became Texas centric. Problem is if A&M and OU don’t come to the SEC, there aren’t a lot of good options to expand west. Maybe Mizzou but that isn’t too exciting.

Any Texas school besides A&M or Texas would be a waste of time and space in the SEC.

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If the SEC can’t get Texas or Tex AM, then I hope they don’t forget what made them the most watched and respected conference in the land. What is that? Packed stadiums, SEC type tailgating campuses, great traditions and pagaeantry, close proximity and rivalries. IT is the SEC “it” factor that other conferences don’t have. Clemson can bring all of this to the SEC. Add VT to get a new state, but balance that with a tightening inside the footprint with Clemson. The SEC will become even more special as the Pac Ten stretches from Pullman to College Station and The Big Ten stretches from Lincoln to Piscataway. THe SEC can stand there and say we added teams that do not take away the cultural feel and fit of our conference and do not compromise our student athletes with extreme travel distances. I would love to see running down the hill and rubbing the rock and 81,500 as part of the SEC. I’d also like to see FSU, GT and VT join in. Miami is not SEC. A pro stadium with tarps covering the entire sections is not SEC. Do I think Clemson has a shot? I’ll put it like Dabo referred to his chance to get the Clemson job, “I may not have a good shot, it may be a real loon shot, but hey, I’ve got a shot.”

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I told you college football never ends!

The news of USC’s probation punishment started to leak last night and then the Pac-10 drops this bombshell the next day. Doesn’t it seem a little coincidental that the Pac-10 is taking the spotlight off their marquee team? How long do you think they have been holding this secret inside?

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Smart move by the Pac 10 and Colorado. If they had let this thing drag on, the politicians in Texas would have made Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor a package deal and squeezed out Colorado.

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Walk softly and carry a big stick. The SEC commish is being eerily quite. The Big 10 and Pac 10 are playing it out very loud in the media. The SEC will either do nothing and let the dust settle…or drop a bomb that will shock everyone in college athletics. It is nice being number one in football. Everyone is a distant second. Our next move will raise our bar higher…be patient SEC fans…

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You can forget Texas and A&M becoming members of the SEC. They, along with CU, Tech, and the Oklahoma schools are PAC-10 bound. This has been in the works for a while now.

With the loss of six schools, there is no way the Big XII survives. It will be dissolved since there is no way on God’s green earth that any school, drunk or sober, would ever join that sinking ship.

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Expansion or no expansion, one thing won’t change: The Gators own the Dawgs. The Gators have won 17 out of the last 20, and that will just keep getting more in the Gators’ favor.

Just to refresh your memory, the combined score of the last two games is 90-27. It’s only going to get worse, Dawg fans, so get used to BOHICA.

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It is OK if you didn’t read my earlier post so I’ll restate it in general terms. MIAMI IS NOT JOINING THE SEC! Miami, FL is not SEC country. The University of Florida would poop twice and die before they let both Florida State and Miami join the SEC. The University of Miami is a small, expensive private school that was essentially irrelevant in football until Howard Schnellenberger convinced the school that by admitting the average high school football player from the hood in Miami they would turn into a national powerhouse. It worked. But otherwise Miami does not fit the SEC profile and it is much more advantageous to stay in the ACC. If they can’t re-tool to beat up on UVa, Duke, and UNC why would they even want to have to play Georgia, Florida, and even Tennessee every year?

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Its official now. The Pac-10 has announced it:

http://www.pac-10.org/genrel/061010aaa.html

The first domino falls. Its just a matter of time before the other 5 Big 12 schools officially decide to bolt for the Pac 10.

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USC— Would be nice for USC to actually play teams that are national powers.
I am sure USC is against a conf champ game.
They would have to play most likely a Texas. (if not Texas then Oklahoma) USC would actually have to prove themselves every weekend versus only play one or two competitive games.

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Scenario 1: Texas A&M breaks away from big brother Texas and accepts SEC invite.

SEC West/benefit—Texas TV markets for SEC, SEC name for A&M recruiting

Va. Tech breaks from U of Virginia & accepts SEC invite–SEC East/benefit—DC TV market, divisions are not shifted

Scenario 2: Va Tech cannot move without Va (which does not want to join SEC due to academics)

Scenario 3: Missouri added to SEC west along with Tex A&M/benefit—-large St. Louis TV market added, close promiximity to SEC rivals, strong academic standing (AAU membership –same as A&M), conference divisions are not shifted…afterall–Mizzou has no other place to go.

Scenario 4: SEC does not expand

Who is not getting invited:

Ga. Tech—burned SEC bridges in early 60’s…Dodd got the big head….pulled a Nebraska move (before it was cool) and bailed….tried in ‘78 to re-join and was blocked by Bear at Bama and UGA—ATL MARKET IS ALREADY LOCKED…UGA TERRITORY

FSU—-Florida & Foley will not allow it

Miami—-see above. SEC already has the sunshine state market. Alumni base is 90% from the NE, small alumni base, thug program

Clemson—-brings nothing to the table (except a lake, tractors, hot co-eds)

Who is not joining the SEC:

Texas—-liberal leadership and academic heads are all about academics. Texas is not about to share their piece of the pie.

SMU, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Troy (WTF–Troy??)—-not worth discussing but here it goes—-small programs that bring nothing to the table

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Bill Lumberg – Sorry, Texas and A&M will not be joining the SEC. That issue is dead.

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USC- Will be against any conf champ game. They would not want to face off with Texas every year. Besides, the west side of the potential 16 team conf is weak. The East will dominate again. This is the ironic scenario… That was one of the down falls of the Big 12. The weak Big 12 north division. USC will again play in a weak division if the pac 10 expands…

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It does look like the dominoe effect is getting to take place. Those schools know that they will fair better, record wise, in the PAC-10. SEC needs to make a little noise of it’s own. Slive is being very quiet. Let’s hope that he has something up his sleeve. Should add: FSU, Clemson, VT and GT. If only two them get FSU & VT (I changed my mind from an earlier post. VT would be better than Clemson)

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Several articles from the NY Times and other sources have reported that Texas and Texas A&M will not seek to join the SEC. They are almost certainly going to join the PAC-10 along with four other Big-12 schools.

The president of Ohio State (Gee) contacted the president of Texas on last Friday by email. He was to ask if Texas would be willing to talk to the commissioner of the Big Ten (Reardon). Sources reported that in subsequent emails, there was said to be a “Tech” problem. That was taken by sources to mean Texas Tech, with the fact that Texas Tech is a Tier 3 school, not a fit for the Big Ten. All of the Big Ten members are top tier schools and are members of the AAU, an invitation-only organization of 62 research-intensive universities that annually gets 57% of nearly $20 billion in research grant money.

Even if Texas/Texas A&M decided to try to save the Big-12, they would not take TCU or SMU. That simply dilutes Texas’ base in the state. That also from news reports.

Tony Barnhart is minimizing the academics side, but it will be a very important factor for the Big Ten, as these schools collaborate on research proposals and grants. The PAC-10 does not put the same influence on that aspect. That aside, 7 PAC-10 schools are AAU members, the exception being Arizona State, Washington State, and Oregon State. 7 members of the Big-12 are AAU members.

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If GT comes to the SEC, do we all get free hotdogs and cokes too?

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Texas and A&M are now in the PAC-10 and will not be part of the SEC. That issue is dead. Your expansion talks need to be directed elswhere.

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The SEC should target teams like FSU and Clemson that are in the South.
I don’t want to have to smell the folk from Texas once per year.

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What has uga accomplished lately? Nada damn thing

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Texas should snag Arizona, ASU, and Utah, and Boise St. and stay put w/ OKlahoma

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Aaron it is one thing to be in 87% of homes but another to demand even a higher amount. The Stanley Cup was on national TV last night but did you hear anything about it?

Miami will get TV ratings.

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2 schools from the sec are aau members? Ha what a stupid person conference.

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SEC is not about TV footprint, they are more the match-ups.

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Bill Lumberg – yeah thanks, I caught that as soon as I posted. A&M is still not an option for the SEC.

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KlemKadiddlehopper is spot on. The Big 12 should invite Boise State to fill the void left by Nebraska
BSU really needs out of the WAC and wants out of the WAC.

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A&M hates Texas for forcing them to the Pansy Arse Conference.
Good Bye Tailgating – Hello Pre-Game Earth Festivals

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Gatorzone – it ain’t happening. Without Nebraska, the Big XII will regress, regardless of who you might add as a replacement. Taking a step backwards is NOT what Texas is about.

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OTTO.. So true.. There was a hockey game it went into overtime so it interupted all the other programs. Otherwise, nobody would have known that a hockey game was on TB. Why they had hockey on a major network??? So true..

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I type very fast. I want to say TV not TB.. sorta funny..

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If the ACC were to be proactive and not wait to see where the dominoes fall, they logically could improve the conference academically and athletically by inviting UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt from the Big East. The first 3 are AAU schools, and Pitt is ranked #56 in USN&WR. All current ACC schools are in the “Tier 1 & 2″ rankings, and 5 are AAU members. It would improve their TV contract negotiations as well (the Big Ten is interested in Rutgers for the same reasons.)

West Virginia is a Tier 3 school and would not be a good fit for the ACC.

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Colorado just announced that it is joining the Pac 10.

http://www.cubuffs.com/

Could the Texas schools be far behind?

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your right otto, miami would have to get t.v. ratings because no one is at their games! also playing in a pro stadium doesn’t really fit the sec blueprint either. it’s not that i have any personal beef with miami, i just don’t think they are the right fit. cbs and espn are 100% available nationwide, the crap game is 87%.

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I agree that adding a Texas or the nagging fly that invades your dinner table-that being Texas A&m would make a good fit for the SEC. Any discussion or political moves for power in negotiation. There is oil in Texas and the legislature watches the revenue from the oil, trust funds and alumni base. It is a package deal so it seems the Pac 10 will gladly take a package deal. Cannot shake up the cash flow to the other schools.

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Colorado making it official with their announcement this morning effectively ends discussion of Baylor going to the PAC-10.

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This just proves the Mayans were right. The world will end in league expansion in 2012.

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Miami also helps SEC recruiting in S. Fl. Miami going elsewhere would open that up to another conf.

GT or Clemson in the SEC would bring virtually no new talent and put further competition for talent in Ga., AL, and Norht Florida.

Texas and Cali under 1 conf. creates very ruch talent pool.

In order to sell the TV contract a product must be on the field. Protecting your talent base will become more important.

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Best conference as of today- SEC
Best college football programs
1. Texas
2. All top four SEC teams.
SEC as of today is the best conference with the most talented teams. Texas keeps things interesting. Dont blame Texas for this scenario. Blame the Big 10 for not living up to expectations of a TV contract.

Hook em Horns..

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Best move is for SEC to do nothing. The league already has a multi-billion dollar TV contract with 2 networks lasting 15 years. More than 12 teams is too many. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Everyone says if conference A or B does Y, the SEC needs to do X? Why? Do nothing and your teams still make tons of money and have a great/realistic chance to compete for conference and national titles on a fairly regular basis. The SEC will still be the premiere football conference regardless of any realignment scenarios that may come to be. This can be explained by the passion of the fans, long-time rivalries and tradition. Don’t mess with that, I say.

Adding four more powerhouse programs only increases probabilty, YOUR team will lose more games and qualify for fewer conference championship games and win fewer conference titles through the year. Does this make fans happier?

Eventually four 16-team super conferences will lead to a 16-team playoff. Otherwise, you’d have too many tradition-rich, excellent teams being disappointed with their 8-4 or 9-3 seasons (teams would beat each other up). Ironically enough, when three or four (or five) teams from these Super Conferences get picked for the playoffs, this will kill the conference championship game. Under this scenario, why would, say, Alabama and Florida last year even want to play in a title game when they were already locks to be high-seeds in a 16-team playoff tournament (think conference basketball and baseball tourneys which are anticlimatic with the “real” tourney starting the next week). The risk of injuries and fatigue would be too great given that it would have no bearing on the ultimate prize. I’m anti-playoff, pro tradition, but the super conference move would expedite move to Div. I-AA type playoff. Good bye bowl games, etc.

Law of unintended consequences: You’d lose your “Money cow” championship game by going to 16-team conferences (which are too big anyway).

Someone explain to me why the SEC has to expand if others expand. Would the league and its members automatically/certainly make more money? Do they even need more money? Would you lose traditional annual rivalry games (like UA-UT)? Would the logistics for minor sports and travel be worth it? Would your league suddenly be irrelevant if it didn’t expand? Of course not.

I agree with a previous poster, let the other conferences make a mistake and go to 16 teams. SEC doesn’t need to do anything. Change for sake of change is not smart.

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The Pac 10 is about to be the Pac 16. The Big 10 is about to become the Big 13 or 14. The Big 12 is dead. The SEC will add G Tech, FSU, Maimi and V-Tech. The ACC will raid the Big East for a few schools and become a pure hoops conference.

That’s the consensus…no BS or preconceived notions or other crap…that I’m getting from ESPN, Sports Illustrated, NBC Sports, etc.

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Top football recruiting areas
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. California
4. Georgia/Lousianna

Enjoyed the thoughts and input.

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Interesting lead-in from La Business Journal: “USC and UCLA fans should prep their ski gear — the University of Colorado is jumping from the Big 12 Conference to the Pac-10.”

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Barnhardt, do you really think Dodds gives a second thought to his women’s softball team? Texas is loaded, and will be even more so with this move. Some plane tickets are the proverbial drop in the bucket.

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Big 10, 11, 12: Just remember the N on Nebraska’s helmet has always stood for “k”nowledge

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Yeppie, the Big 10 is dominating TV revenue. But don’t let facts get in your way.

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Don;t even mess with ACC teams. The conference has great academic standards but the teams are average. Do you really want o load down your conference with sub-avg competition? Texas and Texas A&M would be an interesting mix but who would move from the SEC West to the East?

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I hope we can get Duke.

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Colorado has accepted and will join the Pac10 … Nebraska is going to the Big10.

Colorado recruits heavy in California and is a similar school to the Cali schools.
Nebraska is closer to Iowa, Minn. Wisc and Illinois than to Texas..

Notre Dame just signed on for more annual meetings with BC to go along with Army,Navy, USC and Miami.. They don’t have the ability to play conference schedule in Big10 until after 2016.. so they are a no go or have to break a lot of contracts..

Rutgers will not join the Big10,, they do not have athletic budget or facilities to compete and can’t move without blessing of state which is in a huge budget crunch Rutgers is the State Univ. of NJ..

SEC same arguement against expansion into Texas as Texas has about Pac10 — A trip to Lubbock or Waco or College Station may come only once every 8-12 years.. but all other sports have to go there once a year unless they make unbalanced schedules for those sports to mitigate travel.

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Scott in TX, you’re way off. Nothing is set in stone yet concerning TX and A&M. Dodds has never, ever stated the SEC is off the table.

See this Houston Chronicle article, stating that both schools still have SEC on the table. This is just the beginning!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/7044884.html

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“Jason

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am
why no chatter on Arkansas leaving the SEC and joining the Big 12? It is a long shot but I would not discount it.
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Why would Arkansas leave the $17 million TV money it gets from the SEC annually to $8-10 million it would get from the Big 12???? Think before you type.

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I haven’t been following all this conference changing drama closely, but it just looks to me like more BS schools are coming up with in an attempt to make as much money as possible, regardless of anything else. College football is becoming more and more slimy every year.

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1. I think the SEC is behind the 8 ball on this. The PAC-16 format that has been proposed is very logical…. Texas softball wouldn’t have to travel to Pullman, WA very often and it is no worse than having to travel to Columbia, SC.

2. If Nebraska leaves, I think it will be tough to salvage the Big 12. I can’t think of any other team that can fill the shoes Nebraska would leave behind. Arkansas? SMU? Forget it… Notre Dame would be the only team that could salvage the Big 12, I don’t see that happening.

3. Big 10 can wait and see what Texas and the Pac 10 decides to do. This gives them options to either stay at 12 or make a run at Texas themselves. They really wanted Notre Dame and a 12 team conference… they got the next best thing in Nebraska. If and I think only if the Pac 10 expands to 16, then the Big 10 will probably follow suit.

4. Agree… but if SEC and Pac 10 try and go to 16, then Notre Dame may have no choice but to join a 16 team Big 10.

5. Pac 10 won’t expand for the sake of expanding. I think they either get Texas and/or Oklahoma. Utah? Colorado? They add very little to that conference. I think Texas probably prefers the Pac 10 to the SEC… they will be the big fish in their half of that conference and would open them up to the California TV market.

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Beating Tech is our Birthright is your typical dawg fan. Been a fan since around 2001, which is why he has zero clue about anything that happened prior to 2000s.

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All this academics talk by these 2 conferences has been complete crap. Among national universities, Colorado is ranked 77 and Nebraska is ranked 96. Hypocrites!

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We do NOT want Miami or GT. Neither fill up their own stadiums and their fans don’t travel well. No need to take back a charter member that left and now wants back in to share our wealth. You left, too bad, bye bye!

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If the Big 12 could add TCU and Utah they would be stronger then they were with Colorodo and Nebraska.

I hope the Big 12 can stay together. I think USC’s NCAA violations have taken alot of power away from the PAC 10. Texas and Oklahoma would be saving the PAC 10 if they joined.

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If the SEC can’t get all or even 2 of these: Texas, TAM, FSU and VaTech, I don’t think they gain much by picking up anyone else.

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There is no way one of the North Carolina schools would leave the ACC much in the same way none of the California schools would leave the Pac-10. The North Carolina schools are all tethered. You take one, you take them all. North Carolina and Duke are the ACC. Everything the ACC does is at the behest of the four North Carolina schools because none can play football and they needed to expand into FL to give the conference credibility.

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Most of these expansion concepts don’t make a lick of geographical sense.

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I wish Tech would expand their stadium. That would be funny to see 50,000 fans from the road team fill up that $#it hole. It would be funny if it weren’t true

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“Among national universities, Colorado is ranked 77 and Nebraska is ranked 96.”

They are members of the AAU, which is far more significant.

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ATL Gator, VT does not deliver DC. It delivers Blacksburg. The ACC didn’t even want them.

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Texas has already said no to the SEC because of academics.

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The best scenario for the SEC is get rid of Vandy and Miss. state and get Virginia Tech, west Virginia, Texas and Texas A&M. 14 teams conference every team plays 9 SEC games and 3 non conference games

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SEC should get VT and UT along with A&M. Just move Auburn or Bama east. Just GT they be like SC. UGA owns the whole state any ways.

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Once again, Miami and Washington D.C. are pro sports towns. Redskins (and to a much lesser extent Dolphins) fans are not fairweather friends like Falcons fans. Washington D.C. could care less about the University of Virginia even though a lot of government workers graduated from there. Cavalier country stops where Northern Virginia begins. The first “Welcome to Virginia” visitor center is 30 miles away from the DC/Va border along I-95. Fifty miles out of DC there are Big Ten college preview magazines on the shelves not ACC ones because people in Maryland and Western VA are more interested in Penn State. There is no way Washington DC will ever become SEC country and you can pencil in Miami for that one too!

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Sorry Scott. Until you have some evidence in hand, that’s just you’re opinion. And unfortunately for you, that’s not worth much.

The Pac is not in good shape. USC is on their way to a 2-year bowl ban and ncaa penalties. Add that to the fact that nobody east of colorado cares to watch the Pac, and there are SERIOUS questions as to why Texas would join.

Texas likes to have some control in their conference. They will not have it in the PAC. Texas wants their own network. They will not have it in the PAC. They like being on prime-time games against conference rivals that people care to watch. They will not have that in the PAC.

This thing is wide open!

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You aren’t going to break-up Texas and Texas A&M. SEC already tried that once and the Texas legislature blocked it from happening. Also, I doubt Oklahoma and Texas would go to separate conferences. Oklahoma just lost Nebraska…. they aren’t going to lose their rival in Texas. Once you have Oklahoma then you also probably have to take Oklahoma State.

Also, the SEC doesn’t have the best track record with expansion. They went after Texas and Florida State last time and ended up with Arkansas and S. Carolina. Ouch!

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The SEC has a winning record against the Big12.

The PAC10 is no better than the SEC in academics.

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iceman….it is sad to say buy geography is not the straw that stirs the drink in expansion. The fan base takes a hit. Fans just can’t travel to some of these location. Following your favorite team on the road every weekend may be a thing of the past. The new PAC 10 would have many equivilant trips that would be the same distance as a LA to Chicago car ride. Yea, that sounds appealing!

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If you don’t like the Va Tech scenario, then how about KU and Tx A&M? Of course that likely means Aub and Bama to the SEC East….

KU does have the large alumni base…the bball program, and the 29th largest TV market (Kansas City.)

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Would the SEC take Baylor and Texas Tech to get Texas and Texas A&M if Texas politics enters the picture?

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Keith, The problem is OU and Tx A&M come with Texas and Okie St comes with OU. It is more than just Baylor.

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We don’t need Texas . Texas A&m should be the goal . Then add one other team like a WVU or Va Tech . I would bet a ham sandwich Texas A&M would come to the SEC over the PAC 10.

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I have heard the media explain why the PAC10 is the academic fit but never anything from a Texas source saying they turned down the SEC.

Do you have a link?

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Buzz, Thats fine and has been discussed on some UGA blogs. UGA gains an even firmer recruiting hold on Ga.

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Scott in TX – Do you have a SOLID source for insisting umpteen gazillion times that Texas and the Aggies MUST go together? If not, then wake up and smell the possibility of Texas to the Pac16 and the Aggies to the SEC. As that Houston Chronicle article TexasAlum00 posted says, the most those two schools have seemed to commit to doing is continuing to play each other. Heck, man, they could continue doing that in separate conferences. That’s the SEC way:

UGa-GaTech
USC-Clemson
UFla-FSU
UK-Louisville

What’s more, it gets the Aggies out from under the heavy hand of the Horns, and each can “be all that it can be,” separately.

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The bottom line…you all can say whatever you want…but my grandmother knows as much about what is going to happen as you all do. So, for now, it is interesting, but idle talk.

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Tony is a boob. Notre Dame is going to the Big Ten. I hate the SEC and most of their fans. Most overrated CONF ever.

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If a Texas school does break with the SWC ties it would be Tx A&M. Also if a school has influence to get Texas to change directions it would Tx A&M throwing political weight around and creating alliances with the other SWC schools.

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Typo *Leach

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Why is SI saying Texas A&m could wind up in the SEC instead of the PAC 10 if Texas & Texas A&m are a package deal . I guess Sports Illustrated the just a bunch of ignorant SEC lovers : )

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Rather do nothing than add mediocre teams from sub-par conferences (e.g. Kansas, Texas Tech, Louisville, Missouri, etc)

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The silence of the SEC might also mean Slive already has a deal in place. Like I said earlier I like adding the two Virginia schools & GT and Clemson. Atlanta is locked down as a TV market with GT and Virgina and VT lock down DC and Hampton Roads (alot of TV sets). These rivalries fit. Another scenerio would be to add FSU & Miami instead of the VA schools.

The Fla schools will probably join before VA & VT so you are looking at three Fla schools in the SEC. Each SEC school would play seven division games and three non-division conference games each year. Ten games would be tought but most if not all would be on TV. The SEC now forms its own network like the Big 10 and makes a ton of cash. With four schools from the east dividing the divisions will be interesting. If it is the Fla schools here is what I think:

SEC East: Miami, Fla, FSU, KY, SC, Clemson, Vandy, & UT
West: GA, GA Tech, Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, Auburn, LSU, ARK

Another interesting note, what if the SEC looked west and scooped up Kansas & K-State?

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SEC….plays the hand it has and raises two dollars. I am ready for some SEC Football and whatever happens with the other conferences will be of little interest. RTR

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The Big 10/Pac 10 academic claims are bogus. Thanks for trying though! But don’t worry, I’m sure your athletics will pick up sooner or later.

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Assuming FSU and Clemson join the SEC (East) and Texas and Oklahoma end up in the SEC (West), where do teams like GIT, VT and Miami end up??

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Texas Fan, My point was that Texas, Tx A&M, OU, Ok St. could moved to the SEC without Tx Tech and could have done without Tx Tech in the Big XII. TCU could have been in especially if they were playing like they are now. Tx Tech is a perfect fit with the Arizona schools. It wouldn’t surprise me if it is easier to get to a game in Arizona than say current BigXII south member OK. State up in Stoolwater as my OU friends call it.

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Jason: Southern Cal is also a ‘directional school’ in the BCS.

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Scott in TX,

My dad’s friend’s brother is Mack Brown and he said you’re lying. Please stop it.

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SECFANinMS : “SEC East: Miami, Fla, FSU, KY, SC, Clemson, Vandy, & UT
West: GA, GA Tech, Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, Auburn, LSU, ARK ”

So UGA goes to the west division where it has 2 rivals and vacates the East where it has 3 rivals? And Tech and UGA are both east geographically of UT, Vandy, and FSU…

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Remember it’s all about the money. Whatever makes sense for the SEC (and other divisions) revenue wise is the direction they will go. It’s not about who would be the best teams to make it look good or who would be the best rivalries, etc…

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Do we have a quote from Deloss Dodds stating that the SEC is not in the conversation? Has Mike Slive stated as such?

This situation is VERY fluid, and anything could happen. The folks who favor a Texas move to Pac 10 are VERY arrogant in their beliefs. Unfortunately they have no counter to some simple points one can make in favor of Texas to SEC.

1) Longhorn Network possible with SEC, not PAC or Big 10.

2) TV eyes. The PAC 10 is desperate to add tv viewers. Without Texas, they remain a conference that only the west coast cares about. Most of the people in this country live east of the mississippi. More tv eyes (and therefore advertisers/subscribers) are in the east, not the west.

3) History. Former SEC chair Schiller went on record stating Dodds and Texas wanted the SEC…but the hitch was they had to take ATM. According to Dr Schiller the SEC was not interested in ATM at the time. Dodds never denied this.

Nothing is a done deal for UT and A&M yet. If it was, then you would be seeing it on espn.

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Heres is what I hope happens :

1. SEC doesn’t nothing
2. Big-10 stops @ Nebraska
3. Big XII adds Utah and someone else and hunkers down
4. PAC-10 stops @ Colorado, with Utah going to Big XII this might happen
5. MWC pics up Boise so that PAC-10 doesn’t think about it

I’m keeping my fingers crossed. PAC-11 changes names and has to pay me for the domain names I bought.

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Scott in TX – Your comments clearly explain why Aggies would like to be free of Hookems. I, for one, hope the two schools go their separate ways. The SEC would love to have the high quality Aggies join the best conference in the land, as long as they don’t bring Hookems along with ‘em.

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A shake up has already happened in Division III. DePauw announced yesterday it is leaving the SCAC (Rhodes, Sewanee, Centre, Millsaps…) for the NCAC (Kenyon, Wabash…). Its not DI-A but whatever.

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The Texas schools need to be realistic. Texas for the Pac-10 is a lock because even though it is a football juggernaut Austin is to urbane, liberal, and filled with California expatriates to ever sit at the table with the SEC. Lubbock (whic contains Texas Tech ) is also very “Route 66″ and much more western that southern. However Texas A&M or Baylor should consider the SEC. Texas A&M would be an excellent fit because it is much more southern than western. And why does Texas A&M follow around Texas? No conference wants second sisters like Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Iowa State because they bring nothing to the table so those schools at least try to emulate or follow the flagship universities. Texas A&M could make a name for itself by joining the SEC and stop being the perpetual whipping post of Texas. Besides, its not as if Texas and Texas A&M would have to stop playing one another just because they are in separate conferences.

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Nebraska will own the big 10

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Abiaka – you make a good point. Both FSU and the U draw huge TV audiences. That’s why the U gets invited to big time bowl games when they’re good.

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With Colorado and Nebraska gone, I think Texas & A&M will realize that saving the Big 12 is a pointless venture and jump ship.

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Peter,
I don’t know that it would be a pointless venture. Nebraska is a big loss but not really colorado. They could just sit at 10 and have an easier path to the Nat championship every year while still raking in the dough.

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Half of Tech grads leave the state, half of tech grads come from out of state, 90% of UGA is Georgia residents, 90% of Georgia grads stay in state. If you didn’t go to either school, by default, 90% of the time you’re a UGA fan. So lets not argue the fan base numbers. I graduated from Tech, my Dad from UGA.

However, with the history of Tech in the SEC, and the old rivalries they would be a good fit. If you wanted to lose control of the Atlanta market, just have the Big 10 pick up Tech and then all these damn transplants will be watching more Tech games.

I’d rather stay in the ACC b/c I follow many more sports than just baseball and Tech is better all around than most SEC schools. But I’d rather be in the SEC than the Big 10, if we were to explore those options.

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Notre Dame, I hope they wind up with no following, no games, no network, and no bowl. Their attitude of being above all others may put them where they belong, at the bottom, plus, what conference wants them to come in a make demands on why they should be treated differently. Right now, the Big East only has three teams with any value, so those teams need to move quickly to join a conference with a future. I think the SEC should stay pat, make no changes, as they are so superior they don’t need any of these second class teams. Four straight BCS National Champions, I mean they win every year don’t they. Haven’t they won every National Championship every year for the last 30, oh wait a minute, my wife just said 4 outright and one contested by Southern Cal. Oh yeah during that 30 year period, FSU has 2, Miami has 3, Clemson 1, and a contested between GTech and Colorado. Wait a minute that’s 7, and Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, and Southern Cal have championships to, so maybe the SEC isn’t above getting their hands dirty too.

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The ACC will acquire Florida, TENN and South Carolina and then add West Virginia and a couple of other teams to make their super conference.

The ACC pays out more overall and with those additions would match up well with the PAC 10 super conference.

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Let Vandy and SC head on over to the ACC and then the SEC picks up the 3 major Tx schools ………..U of T, A&M and TX Tech.

The market for the SEC would be huge and the SEC would not miss SC or Vandy ……….not a second would they be missed. We could possibly add Clemson and create a new W/E div. format.

GT? They left behind. They bring nada to the SEC table.

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“GatorGuy
June 10th, 2010
2:37 pm
For you guys who want Miami to join the SEC, be careful of what you ask for. They will only bring a few hundred fans to your campus but you will wish they had not come. Just ask UVA, UNC and other ACC schools about the Miami “fans”.”

Oh please. More scared tactics by Gaytor fans. Their school is scared they would have to play Miami every year if they joined the SEC. They are the ones that bailed out on the yearly matchups Miami used to have with them every year. They got tired of the butt whoopin’s.

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The only people talking about the ACC in this realignment atmospshere are ACC fans. They do not get it. No one desires to blend into that lil boy league. They have nothing to offer beyond two or three fairly decent basketball teams from one year to the next.

ACC fans ………… it is all about $$$$. The DC market and the Boston market are not contiguous to the S.E. like TX is.

Clemson would be a nice pick up and they historically have had good to great D minded teams. Theya re it as far as any compatibility with the SEC and Tech ? forget them. Nothing do they bring into this neogtiation. Nothing, because the SEC already owns Atlanta and Florida.

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@Abiaka,

Good point! It is easy to forget about USC being a directional school when they’re such a marquee name.

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GeezusDawg, don’t foget they are a charter member are they not?

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Missouri is an excellent candidate for the SEC:

http://shoryland.com/2010/06/think-bigger-than-big-ten-missouri.html

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jacklydo – Rutgers joining the Big Ten and getting their lump sum of revenue from the conference will fix any budget/cash issues they are having. If they get an invite, I am sure they will take it. Big Ten wants to expand into the NY market – well Rutgers and Syracuse or even UConn will give you that.

I-Dog – A 16 team SEC would work like this: split all teams into four divisions (north, south, east, west) with four teams a piece. You can keep the current 8 game conference schedule by playing games your division (3 games), playing two natural rivals from other divisions (2 games), and then playing a team from each of the other three divisions (3 games). With that schedule every team would play each other every 3-4 years which is basically no different than the current setup. As far as deciding the SEC Championship – each division would be reseeded by record. The top two teams would host the bottom two teams with the winners advancing to the Championship game at the Georgia Dome. That first round playoff game would bring in more viewership than some of the recent BCS games and we all know that the SEC Championship will still be the top draw.

And as far as Miami coming into the SEC. Yes they have a hard time selling out that stadium. But who can blame them when they are playing the likes of Ga Tech, Duke, N. Carolina, Wake Forest, etc…. year in and year out? Those teams don’t travel well, but Miami does seem to score big crowds when FSU comes to town. If Miami constantly played LSU, Florida, Georgia, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, etc…..they would have no problem selling that stadium out. They have a rich – though questionable – history and they have a large following. Trust me they would be a huge addition to the SEC. Also Florida is not going to stop FSU and Miami from coming into the conference. If it a decision that will make the conference better – and it will – then Slive and the other ADs will approve of it. Also, Florida didn’t seem to object when FSU was last invited back in the early 90s but turned it down.

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Why mess with a good thing. I think these super-conferences are a bad idea! So what if the Big 16 and Pac 16 has more teams? We can still have our championship game and we will still have the most talented teams year in and out in football!

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notre dame is a completely wimpy school at this point when it comes to football, staying independent is like saying you only want your military to have to invade grenada everytime. notre dame, well worthy of the name ‘our lady’, their players should all wear stiletto cleats, complete cowards that still want to be included with brave schools (brave through their willingness to take on tough schedules) at the end of each year. vanderbilt is tougher than the fainting irish may ever be again. the only way for the irish to improve is to take on real opponents each year and get serious, but watch out, fsu already showed us what a sheep in wolf’s clothing already looks like.

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Well, the fun has begun. Next move is up to Texas. Do they go big to Pac-10? Bide time and add a couple of teams to Big 12 or accept Big 10 offer-the most lucrative of its options. For political reasons, the last choice is probably not realistic-Governor of Texas will not permit A&M to be separated from UT. I am not one to give credence to adding SMU & TCU to Big 12. Remember they were dropped like hot potatoes when Big 12 came calling after Arkansas bolted leading to SWC breakup. The problem with that Middle Kingdom conference is that there is not a lot appealling to TV types once you get past Texas. Missouri appears to be
getting short end of stick-desperately wants out of Big 12, but without further B10 expansion, no where to go. Then there is Baylor whose religious orientation is leaving them out in the cold. Then there are the 3 orphans-KState, KU and ISU. Lord knows where they go. All very interesting.

I don’t believe the B10 is done, but their hand appeared to be forced with this Big 12 insistence on affirming the love. I see the B10 continuing their study and maybe having another go either the end of this yearbor next year.

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Seriously,
Its the distance bro. Lubbock is a two day drive from 99% of SEC schools. And driving through that part of texas suks donkey.

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Yeah D just like the did last year you tell em. uhh… no… wait…

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Don’t worry Georgia fans. Tech neither wants to join SEC nor would accept invitation if one was extended. Been there, done that We are fine where we are, unless B10 were to come calling which would be
a very interesting proposition on several fronts.

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I would love to see Tech in the Big 10. I think that would be hillarious. I really hope it happens.

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Missouri would bring the SEC the St Louis and KC markets, which wouldn’t hurt to have in pocket when the contract’s renegotiated.

Plus, offers to schools in Texas, Virginia, South Carolina would get the SEC into fights with state legislatures. Not Missouri.

http://shoryland.com/2010/06/think-bigger-than-big-ten-missouri.html

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Another DELUSIONAL dawg fan, heeldawg, please you couldn’t be that stupid. GT’s football history is not even comparable to UGA’s history or lack there of….. UGA football is IRRELEVANT outside of the state of Georgia! Period! We are talking about football here, not all those NON revenue sports you alluded to earlier…. GET A GRIP!

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They already had a thing in the paper about if gt goes to the sec, they would expand there 60k stadium to 75k

Expand to 75k huh. Why? They can’t sell out the seats they have now without begging alumni to buy tickets. Why would they need to expand? The only possible benefit would be to allow more away team fans. And that being the case, I’m all for it. It’d be hilarious to see Tech fans outnumbered at home games.

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1. UT and A&M are a package deal. Both are state funded and Texas Tech could also be in the package. Texas legislature doesnt want to leave them out.
2. UT and OU are a package. Too much history in that rivalry to throw away. I know they could play nonconference, but similar to UGA and GT, it is a specific date and it would interfere with scheduling.
3. OU and OSU are a package. Same reasons as #1.
These are are all why the Pac 10 are more likely to get the schools than the SEC. The Pac 10 simply has more room for all of the teams that have to come for UT and OU to come.

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I hope Notre Dame gets stuck on the outside looking in. They overestimate how important they are for college football.

I haven’t seen the numbers in a while, but unless something has changed Notre Dame football makes more money than any other program. Think about it. They don’t have to split money with anybody. They get national TV deals even as independents. And they aren’t even good. For God sake, imagine if they could restore their team to the glory days of ND football they would be raking money in hand over fist.

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Gt4ever is correct. Outside of the state of Georgia, UGA is totally irrelevant. The only SEC school that really has a national interest is Florida, and maybe you could add Alabama, but that’s it.

The ACC has several schools, including Georgia Tech, that can draw a TV audience several states away.

About the only reason a non-alumnus outside the state of Georgia would have any interest in UGA would be to see how many football players were arrested that week.

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Now to hear a techies say UGA football is “IRRELEVANT” compared to tech football is funny.
Thanks for the laugh Gt4ever

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If the SEC were to pick up a Texas team (or two), how do you balance the conference. Do you pick up another team from the ACC for the East? Or, do you move Auburn to the East?

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Here’s how my chihuahuas see it. The pure bred dawgs, mixed bred dawgs and chickens in the domesticated division. The gators, tigers, elephants, and wildcats in the wildlife division. The volunteers, plainsmen, rebels and naval officers in the military division. If the SEC is to entertain any newcomers, my chihuahuas prefer a good T-bone courtesy of the Longhorns.

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Oklahoma wants in the SEC . But would have to bring a date . But yes it looks like Texas & Texas A&M are going into the Big Ten . Maybe Mizzu comes to the SEC .

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Just a thought here, but as it sounds right now all the Texas schools are going to the pac10, so my thought on SEC expansion (since were talking about adding revenue) would be the obvious choices, Kansas- storied basketball team and decent football and get the SEC in the plains states for recruiting, next I would say TCU- no it’s not a traditional move, but would get the SEC in the Dallas market and could possibly tie up some games in Jerrys world where there is already a huge Razorback fan base. Also TCU did play in a BCS game last year and have been competitive for several years now or they could add Mizzou, which would be great in a more northerly market with a good fan base and getting those 2 would solidify the SEC in the Kansas city and St Louis markets that could be huge revenue for the SEC. Then you look at the east, Georgia Tech is the best fit in that area because of the traditions with the SEC, then there are several others who look good on paper but there are only 2 teams that I would say add and that would be Va Tech and UVA, the reasoning is you get a leg up in recruiting in the mid northeast and the D.C. Market would be a great addition. Florida will never let the U or FSU come because of recruiting, Clemson would be ok but really don’t offer much, yes you could argue duke and NC but neither are a good fit with the SEC unless you start talking basketball and then by adding those 2 along with Kansas you have the top 4 schools in the country for basketball but this while expansion is about football so I suggest you get 2 great schools like Va Tech and Kansas one for football and one for basketbal then add GT for the rivalry purposes and more TV exposure and lastly TCU an up and coming team that would only get stronger coming to the SEC, it’s pretty simple logic but will it happen, who knows? All I do know is Mike Slive needs to think of something if he let’s Texas and Texas A&M slip through his fingers.

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Attention SEC fans, any feedback on this question:

Any chance the SEC could vote to kick Vandy out
and leave the SEC with 1, 3, or perhaps 5 slots to fill?

Really. Vandy does not have an AD nor even a Athletic Department.

Any feedback on that potential?

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Gt4ever, I love your enthusiasm and commitment. For a variety of reasons, however, including research capabilities, academic standing, undergraduate profiles and strength of Olympic sports, the ACC is a
much better fit than today’s SEC. I can appreciate the historical nostalgia, but thinking about the future of the Institute, we are in a much better place.

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T3 – the SEC is not going to kick Vandy or anyone out of the league. The SEC schools love Vandy and the academic prestige they bring to the conference. It’s easy to crap on them because of their lack of football success, but Vandy is competitive with other athletic programs.

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Kansas City tv reporting UT and TAMU to Big 10, OU to SEC (ht Hotlanta):

“KANSAS CITY, Mo. — High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.

KCTV5’s sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

Oklahoma is currently working on petitioning to enter the SEC, but must find another university to enter the league with them, sources said. TMZ Sports has reported that Oklahoma State is likely to accept a bid to move to the Pac-10. Earlier Thursday, Colorado accepted an invitation to join the Pac-10.”

http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

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Silly Silly, I share your hope that the B10 comes calling. That would be a tough decision and dependent on the vision put forth by the B10. In any event, choice is good.

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Shouldn’t they consider adding Rice along with A&M, as sort of a Vandy/Tennessee deal? I know academics don’t play a huge role unfortunately, but the SEC will just be worse off in that manner by adding your OUs, OSUs, and A&Ms, without an academic balance for Vandy/another punching bag.

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The SEC doesn’t want T.Boone’s plaything to be OU’s dance partner. OU probably doesn’t want that either.

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It feels great to be in the presence of gentlemen that are so informed. The Thug U comments are so witty and fitting since Miami has a 100% graduation rate and only 2 arrests in about the last 4 years. UGA has had maybe 20 arrests in the last 4 years. Your beloved, holy coach, Mark Richt, was a QB for Miami. If I’m not mistaken, he was suspend for a few games while at Miami during the so-called “thug” years. Knowing this, I don’t think Mark Richt is a thug or UGA is a “thug” program.

On the subject of conference expansion, I don’t think the SEC should or needs to expand. The SEC has a conference championship game and 6 top-tier teams (LSU, Auburn, BAMA, UT, UF, UGA) The PAC-16 will only have 4 top-tier teams (USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma) The Big Ten (Eleven) plus Nebraska could be comparable to the SEC though.

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it cracks me up that people like…ugawho… are trying to make gt sound so great like they deserve to be in the sec cuz they are so good, guess what we dont want you here nor do you deserve to be in the sec. stay in the acc. cuz we want teams that can handle tough schedules not , and stadiums that hold more than 50k, even upgrading to 75k wouldnt help. o and remind me who won the uga gt game this past outting…? ps retard, you are not rivals with any other sec schools besides uga. we only care what gt has done within the past 20 yrs, thats what matters now, and guess what thats nothing.

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Well if the report is true and OU comes to the SEC and needs a Dance partner and OK ST has agreed to go to the Pac10 the only other logical choice would be Kansas! Then go to the east and get Va Tech and GT! Makes sense, strenghens the conference in baseball, basketball, and football! If Mike Slive could land these 4 he would be a moron not to! I mean think about how many national titles you get from those 4 schools! Why exactly would we need UT or A&M?? No reason at all!!

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Here’s my thoughts on what the SEC should look like..

West:
Texas, A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, Missouri

East:
Fla, Tenn, Auburn, UGA, FSU, Va. Tech, and Alabama

With S Carolina, Vandy and Kentucky joining the ACC..

and each team required to play 3 teams from the other division. If you’re going to claim to be the best, prove it by playing the toughest schedule and winning..

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Cap,
You’re right on some of the Miami stuff but wrong on others. Miami is a national brand. You can go anywhere in the U.S. and see Miami gear. You can’t go out of the southeast and see many SEC programs represented. Miami doesn’t sell out games, but has a very large following. I’m almost certain UM vs FSU is the #1, 2, and 4 highest rated shows ever on ESPN and that’s during the down years. UF is doing very well now, but they are scared to death about Miami joining the SEC. You see it’s the gators that are the main ones saying Miami wouldn’t be a good fit. UF wants in on the South Florida recruits so bad they will do anything to try to keep Miami down.

I don’t think the ACC should or needs to expand either. The ACC currently has 5 teams in preseason top-25 polls (VT, GT, UM, FSU, UNC). As long as none of these 5 leave the ACC, I think it should stay just like it is. USC and Texas were able to play for the National Championship in weaker conferences.

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The U – Miami WAS a national brand. Not anymore.

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Drop vandy, then add a few and the south will retain the greatest sports conference in the land.

West East
Alabama Clemson
Arkansas Florida
Auburn Fla. St.
LSU UGA
Mississippi Kentucky
Miss. St. Tennessee
Texas Va. Tech
Texas A&M

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Im with you GT Grad. I would hope that we dont have to accept an invite to the SEC. If things start falling apart we may have to though. I would much rather stay in the ACC and replace whatever teams may leave. We have a great conference and could improve the academic prestige and basketball competitiveness by inviting some of the solid Big East teams to join. I would much rather go that route then sell out to the SEC.

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another report about the Texas & Texas A&M to Big10:
http://kentsterling.com/2010/06/10/big-ten-expansion-texas-and-texas-am-may-choose-big-ten/

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Actually Dave and Dale, its only been 7 years since Miami started to fall from grace. 8-9 years ago they were the most feared team in college football. Even though they are currently a shell of their great teams, they still have a national following and they bring very good ratings to ESPN and ABC whenever they are on.

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I agree Gary. Fans know Miami. It was mostly a little fun ribbing. Let’s say it was 7 years. In that time they have not brought much to the table.
As for a National Following. I think it would be safe to say that ANY major Football program has a National Following. Yes, I graduated from UGA and I know for a fact that in my birth town of Los Angeles their is a big UGA fan club that gathers to watch UGA football and meets several times during the year.
There are people out there that think think UGA is only known in GA.(mostly techies) Not true. They are a major player in football like half of the SEC teams they have National following.

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hey gary,
you work for Nielson or something? Show me some numbers. Also, and most importantly: have any of you so called U fans been to a game at the orange bowl? This is the SEC, where fans actually attend games.

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The only scenario that I see for GT leaving the ACC is for the Big Ten (some published rumors on that.)

The average ranking of the 12 ACC schools in the upper tier is 48.5.

The average ranking for the 10 SEC schools in that tier is 90.6. The list of the ranked tier bottoms out at #128. Arkansas, LSU and Kentucky are tied at #128. The 2 Mississippi schools are not ranked; they are Tier 3 schools.

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I just don’t believe that GT is a good fit for the SEC. They would not enhance football in the SEC. Basketball yes, Football no. Not a good fit. Bring on Oklahoma and FSU. If not OU bring in VT.

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I just told ESPN Miami isn’t a National Brand…. They said that they’ll get back with me..

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“Georgia Tech casts their lot with these schools so that the very name of its institution wont be looked upon as an oxymoron.”

What does that even mean?

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The “Tech problem” in the communications between the Big Ten commissioner and U of Texas president on Friday is Texas Tech’s Tier 3 academic position. The Big Ten under no circumstances would invite a Tier 3 school. Texas and A&M are fellow AAU members with the Big Ten schools. The only school that is not an AAU member in any discussions among the Big Ten universities is Notre Dame.

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Stafford – the Orange Bowl closed down several years ago. Miami now plays where the Dolphins play. And if Miami was not a big draw, then why did ESPN/ABC have them on prime time at least 4 times last year? Miami vs FSU, Miami vs Va Tech, Miami vs Clemson, and Miami vs Ga Tech(Thurs.) were all on prime time on ABC/ESPN last year. Also, why did ESPN have a 30 for 30 special on “The U” if Miami didn’t have a national following? Not a Miami fan here, but one that does see the positive they bring to the SEC which is more national exposure and great football matchups.

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Vanderbilt is in a unique position among SEC members. They are a private school and therefore immune to any state legislative “input” on their status.

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Ok Stafford now I know you are doing nothing but trolling the blog in regards to Miami. Noon games on ESPN being moderated by a woman? No that would be the lower tier Big Ten and ACC teams. And Miami has no football culture or following? Tell that to a Dolphin fan and you will probably get smacked.

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What does a dolphin fan have to do with the University of Miami?

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