The SEC sure is being quiet on expansion

Okay, I tried to stay away. I tried to be a good boy and take time off and ignore the computer. But the expansion story is just too good. Some quick observations today. You already know most this stuff but I just want a chance to weigh in and get your thoughts.

1. The SEC is being awfully quiet in all this. Various media reports say Nebraska to the Big Ten is done and will be announced on Friday. There are also reports out there that very quietly, Mike Slive and his folks at the SEC could still invite Texas and Texas A&M if the Big 12 breaks up. Would Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come along? Yes, I know about the Pac-10 offer to the six Big 12 teams (Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado). But as one official put it to me yesterday: Do you think DeLoss Dodds (the Texas athletics director) would rather send his women’s softball team to Pullman, Washington (home of  Pac-10 member Washington State) or Tuscaloosa, Ala? I know all about the academic arguments in favor of the Pac-10. I’ll believe it when I see it.

People keep telling me that the SEC should do nothing. But if the Pac-10 and the Big Ten both go to 16 teams, can the SEC stay with a pat hand?

There is absolutely nothing coming out of the SEC on this. This is as locked down as I’ve ever seen them. That should make some people nervous because Slive is one of those “speak softly and carry a big stick” kind of guys.

2. Can Texas, Texas A&M save the Big 12? Various media reports have officials from the two schools meeting today. Understand that Dodds and A&M athletics director Bill Byrne have the juice to hold the league together even if Nebraska and Colorado (to the Pac-10) both leave. The Big 12 can pick up TCU, which further strengthens the Dallas market. I would also pick up SMU. Great academics and a football program on the rise with June Jones as coach. If the Big 12 doesn’t fall apart, then this process could be relatively calm. But Texas could decide that staying in the Big 12 is simply delaying the inevitable breakup.

3. But does the Big Ten stop at 12 teams? In the short term it could happen. Commissioner Jim Delany recently put it out there that expansion for his league could come in stages. Because Delany’s grand plan could put two conferences (Big East, Big 12) out of business, perhaps he decides to go on the installment plan.

4. Forget Notre Dame. With Nebraska set to accept the Big Ten’s offer on Friday, I think it closes the door on Notre Dame becoming a member of that conference. I could see Notre Dame becoming the 12th member of the Big Ten. I can’t see the Irish being the 13th or 14th or 16th member. Now all of that could change if the Big East falls apart. The Notre Dame would have to find another home for men’s basketball and its non-revenue sports.

5. The Pac-10 will expand. Even if the grand plan (inviting six teams from the Big 12) does not come to pass, that conference will still add at least two teams (Colorado and perhaps Utah). The league is getting ready to negotiate its next TV contract in football and it has to bring someting new to the market place.  Here is another factor: The Pac-10’s  marquee program, The University of Southern California, is about to get hammered by the NCAA. The Pac-10 has gotta do something.

Stayed tuned. The next 24 hours could be really interesting.

748 comments Add your comment

Yeppie

June 10th, 2010
1:17 pm

Top football recruiting areas
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. California
4. Georgia/Lousianna

Enjoyed the thoughts and input.

Alabama Jack

June 10th, 2010
1:17 pm

Here’s the best solution.

SEC should swap Vanderbilt for Clemson of the ACC and then swap UGA for whatever they can get, even if its a directional school.

Delbert D.

June 10th, 2010
1:17 pm

Interesting lead-in from La Business Journal: “USC and UCLA fans should prep their ski gear — the University of Colorado is jumping from the Big 12 Conference to the Pac-10.”

Delbert D.

June 10th, 2010
1:19 pm

Jack – FSU, maybe?

Greg

June 10th, 2010
1:25 pm

Barnhardt, do you really think Dodds gives a second thought to his women’s softball team? Texas is loaded, and will be even more so with this move. Some plane tickets are the proverbial drop in the bucket.

I-DOG

June 10th, 2010
1:25 pm

I don’t see the value in the SEC expanding. If we have to go to 16 teams then adding TX and A&M to the West and V Tech and FSU would be the best possible scenario. However, I’m not sure that would even add to the revenue PER SCHOOL all that much. It would add to the total revenue, but then you have to divide by 16 rather than 12. You also have to factor in additional travel.

How would scheduling work for a 16 team conference? 7 games against your own division each year plus 2 or 3 from the other side? If UGA had 10 Conference games could they realistically keep tech on the schedule each year given conference labrynth they would already be committed to? Would there be any out of conference teams to even schedule if there are 4 16 team super conferences? I enjoyed our games against ASU, Okie State, Colorado (looking forward to that game this year). Can’t see how we could schedule anything like that and keep tech.

11 or 12 real games doesn’t make sense given the BCS national title setup now. Everybody would have 1 or 2 losses in the top 10. Out of conference “big or even interesting” games would be a thing of the past.

If we really wanted to get stronger, replace Vandy in the East with VA tech and AR in the West with OK State (I don’t think TX is realistic) and now you add the mid atlantic television market and a Southwest presence and lets face it those two schools would generate more revenue than what we would be losing and it is still split 12 ways. More money PER SCHOOL, upgrade on competition, and nothing changes in terms of number of conference games and not a big upset in the tradition of the SEC with rivalries etc…

I-DOG

June 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Big 10, 11, 12: Just remember the N on Nebraska’s helmet has always stood for “k”nowledge

[...] Thats not impossible however. With the Big 12 basically crumbling, Baylor and Texas Tech are rumored to be jumping ship to the SEC. Root for Texas to realize that they could reform a new Big 12 instead of joining a [...]

Ric Flair

June 10th, 2010
1:29 pm

Yeppie, the Big 10 is dominating TV revenue. But don’t let facts get in your way.

Duh Chicken or dee egg

June 10th, 2010
1:29 pm

So you’re saying Georgia Southern is joining the ACC?

WF

June 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

Don;t even mess with ACC teams. The conference has great academic standards but the teams are average. Do you really want o load down your conference with sub-avg competition? Texas and Texas A&M would be an interesting mix but who would move from the SEC West to the East?

Ric Flair

June 10th, 2010
1:32 pm

You mean like Ole Miss, Miss St, Tennessee, Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky, UGA, LSU, etc WF?

StoneCold Steve Austin 3:16

June 10th, 2010
1:34 pm

I hope we can get Duke.

Andre the Giant

June 10th, 2010
1:34 pm

Ill take Duke and North Carolina for basketball purposes.

jackyldo

June 10th, 2010
1:35 pm

Colorado has accepted and will join the Pac10 … Nebraska is going to the Big10.

Colorado recruits heavy in California and is a similar school to the Cali schools.
Nebraska is closer to Iowa, Minn. Wisc and Illinois than to Texas..

Notre Dame just signed on for more annual meetings with BC to go along with Army,Navy, USC and Miami.. They don’t have the ability to play conference schedule in Big10 until after 2016.. so they are a no go or have to break a lot of contracts..

Rutgers will not join the Big10,, they do not have athletic budget or facilities to compete and can’t move without blessing of state which is in a huge budget crunch Rutgers is the State Univ. of NJ..

SEC same arguement against expansion into Texas as Texas has about Pac10 — A trip to Lubbock or Waco or College Station may come only once every 8-12 years.. but all other sports have to go there once a year unless they make unbalanced schedules for those sports to mitigate travel.

The Undertaker

June 10th, 2010
1:35 pm

Dont won’t thug U though.

TexasAlum00

June 10th, 2010
1:37 pm

Scott in TX, you’re way off. Nothing is set in stone yet concerning TX and A&M. Dodds has never, ever stated the SEC is off the table.

See this Houston Chronicle article, stating that both schools still have SEC on the table. This is just the beginning!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/7044884.html

July Jones

June 10th, 2010
1:38 pm

Should the Big 12 crumble and the Big 6 (Texas, Texas Tech, TAMU, Colorado, Oklahoma and Ok State) bolt to the Pac 10, the SEC should add Missouri. We already got Arkansas. They’re right next to each other and the ‘Show-me State’ is a pretty good sized media market. We could grab Baylor, too. Or maybe Virginia, West Virginia, Virginia Tech or one of the North Carolina schools. Hell, if we’re going to consider Virginia’s schools, we might as well consider Maryland, too. And maybe even Navy.

If Big 12 crumbles and if the six Texas/Oklahoma schools go west, we should add Missouri and one other school. Nothing over 14, please.

Kane337

June 10th, 2010
1:38 pm

“Jason

June 10th, 2010
9:17 am
why no chatter on Arkansas leaving the SEC and joining the Big 12? It is a long shot but I would not discount it.

Why would Arkansas leave the $17 million TV money it gets from the SEC annually to $8-10 million it would get from the Big 12???? Think before you type.

SECFANinMS

June 10th, 2010
1:38 pm

I would like to see the SEC get GA Tech, VT, Clemson, & UVA. The division IMHO could then be as follows:

East: VT, UVA, FLA, SC, Clemson, UT, Vandy, & KY
West: GA, GA Tech, Bama, Auburn, Ark, Ole Miss, MSU, LSU

Gets you into the DC market and the natural rivalries fit.

Halsey

June 10th, 2010
1:39 pm

I haven’t been following all this conference changing drama closely, but it just looks to me like more BS schools are coming up with in an attempt to make as much money as possible, regardless of anything else. College football is becoming more and more slimy every year.

Intelligence is a Gift

June 10th, 2010
1:39 pm

I don’t see the everything changes argument…nebraska goes, maybe the Big12 splits and the PAC 10 take their slice, but I see the SEC, ACC and Big East sitting back for a year and watching what happens. If the 16 team format works than maybe they expand a few years from now.

The more I get to know fans outside the ACC, the more I apprciate my fellow ACC schools. I am intreged about SEC match-ups but not at the cost of our souls…I would prefer ACC schools and their general demeanor towards everything college…

Boise Dawg

June 10th, 2010
1:40 pm

1. I think the SEC is behind the 8 ball on this. The PAC-16 format that has been proposed is very logical…. Texas softball wouldn’t have to travel to Pullman, WA very often and it is no worse than having to travel to Columbia, SC.

2. If Nebraska leaves, I think it will be tough to salvage the Big 12. I can’t think of any other team that can fill the shoes Nebraska would leave behind. Arkansas? SMU? Forget it… Notre Dame would be the only team that could salvage the Big 12, I don’t see that happening.

3. Big 10 can wait and see what Texas and the Pac 10 decides to do. This gives them options to either stay at 12 or make a run at Texas themselves. They really wanted Notre Dame and a 12 team conference… they got the next best thing in Nebraska. If and I think only if the Pac 10 expands to 16, then the Big 10 will probably follow suit.

4. Agree… but if SEC and Pac 10 try and go to 16, then Notre Dame may have no choice but to join a 16 team Big 10.

5. Pac 10 won’t expand for the sake of expanding. I think they either get Texas and/or Oklahoma. Utah? Colorado? They add very little to that conference. I think Texas probably prefers the Pac 10 to the SEC… they will be the big fish in their half of that conference and would open them up to the California TV market.

uuugh...

June 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

I think you are all getting ahead of yourselves. It doesn’t matter what any of the School or League Presidents want. ESPN will dictate who goes where.

Reality Check

June 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

Beating Tech is our Birthright is your typical dawg fan. Been a fan since around 2001, which is why he has zero clue about anything that happened prior to 2000s.

Kane337

June 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

“cantondawg
June 10th, 2010
10:36 am
Tony, I absolutely agree with you that Texas to the Pac-10 makes no sense. Think of the money spent on travel back and forth to California and exhaustion. I guarantee you that the Texas coaches do not want this.”

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With two 8 team divisions you would play 7 games within your own division and then 2 games (home and away) against the other division. Hence, Texas and the others would only be making 1 west coast trip a season. Not a very big deal.

Academics Shmacademics

June 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

All this academics talk by these 2 conferences has been complete crap. Among national universities, Colorado is ranked 77 and Nebraska is ranked 96. Hypocrites!

Truman

June 10th, 2010
1:42 pm

What if newspapers were in conferences?

Big 10- NYT,WSJ,LAT,WP, etc.

Next 10- AJC, Weekly Reader, Publix Circular

Preston

June 10th, 2010
1:43 pm

We do NOT want Miami or GT. Neither fill up their own stadiums and their fans don’t travel well. No need to take back a charter member that left and now wants back in to share our wealth. You left, too bad, bye bye!

South Eastern Correctional Institute

June 10th, 2010
1:45 pm

If GT joins the SEC would it have to change its academic standards? Looks like you can only got to SEC after you spend at least a year at Hargrove Military Academy or the Atlanta Federal Pen.

coachx

June 10th, 2010
1:45 pm

If the Big 12 could add TCU and Utah they would be stronger then they were with Colorodo and Nebraska.

I hope the Big 12 can stay together. I think USC’s NCAA violations have taken alot of power away from the PAC 10. Texas and Oklahoma would be saving the PAC 10 if they joined.

Delbert D.

June 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

Colorado is doubling or tripling its TV payout by moving to the PAC-10, according to an interview on ESPN a few minutes ago.

jumbeauxtiger

June 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

If the SEC can’t get all or even 2 of these: Texas, TAM, FSU and VaTech, I don’t think they gain much by picking up anyone else.

Big XII

June 10th, 2010
1:47 pm

HAHAHAHA……The only way you SEC huggers can claim you are better than the Big XII is when the Big XII no longer existis!

Cap

June 10th, 2010
1:47 pm

There is no way one of the North Carolina schools would leave the ACC much in the same way none of the California schools would leave the Pac-10. The North Carolina schools are all tethered. You take one, you take them all. North Carolina and Duke are the ACC. Everything the ACC does is at the behest of the four North Carolina schools because none can play football and they needed to expand into FL to give the conference credibility.

ATL Gator

June 10th, 2010
1:47 pm

Who would have thought that we’d be talking conference realignment, Tom Izzo potentially leaving for Cleveland, and USC on probation all in the same day?

The SEC will not expand unless it means additional revenue and TV markets. The only top 20 TV market that the SEC doesn’t currently penetrate is Wash DC. Va Tech delivers Wash DC.

Gut feeling here say’s Mike Slives coup is Va Tech (to the East) and Tex A&M to the West. That opens a slot in the ACC for Kansas, which from a basketball standpoint, would be huge. And basketball drives the bus at Kansas.

Iceman

June 10th, 2010
1:48 pm

Most of these expansion concepts don’t make a lick of geographical sense.

Scott in TX

June 10th, 2010
1:48 pm

TexasAlum00 – ‘fraid not friend. Don’t fall for public PC talk, be smarter than that. Texas isn’t going to the SEC. Period. End of story.

cw

June 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

I wish Tech would expand their stadium. That would be funny to see 50,000 fans from the road team fill up that $#it hole. It would be funny if it weren’t true

John

June 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

It’s still hard to imagine a team that prides itself of being a western part of the country, being in an eastern conference. It’s not going to happen. Texas legislators want the pac-10, so that’s where UT TAMU, and TTU are going.

Delbert D.

June 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

“Among national universities, Colorado is ranked 77 and Nebraska is ranked 96.”

They are members of the AAU, which is far more significant.

Cap

June 10th, 2010
1:50 pm

Preston, thank you for infusing more sanity into this forum. About once every hour someone extols the virtues of Miami (and Georgia Tech) joining the SEC. Miami is not SEC country, never has been, Floridians north of Orlando rarely go there (especially to play football) and no one in Miami watches the SEC on TV.

Ric Flair

June 10th, 2010
1:50 pm

ATL Gator, VT does not deliver DC. It delivers Blacksburg. The ACC didn’t even want them.

Delbert D.

June 10th, 2010
1:52 pm

Universities of Virginia and Maryland deliver D.C. (and Baltimore).

JasonDawg

June 10th, 2010
1:54 pm

Texas has already said no to the SEC because of academics.

glenn

June 10th, 2010
1:55 pm

Two teams with two different tv markets . Texas A&M & Va Tech would be the two I would target . If no Va Tech then West Virginia . 14 teams is plenty .

pi$$onatechie

June 10th, 2010
1:56 pm

The best scenario for the SEC is get rid of Vandy and Miss. state and get Virginia Tech, west Virginia, Texas and Texas A&M. 14 teams conference every team plays 9 SEC games and 3 non conference games

mootpoint

June 10th, 2010
1:56 pm

How bout A&M and Kansas and Va and Va Tech

SCdawg

June 10th, 2010
1:57 pm

SEC should get VT and UT along with A&M. Just move Auburn or Bama east. Just GT they be like SC. UGA owns the whole state any ways.

Beast from the East

June 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

The SEC needs to pick up UNC, Duke, NC State and Maryland. Helps our BB brand and gets in to the Charlotte and DC tv markets. We already own all the telvision markets in the states we’re in. What would GT, FSU, Miami, VT or Clemson bring to the table? Let them merge with the Big East.