Congress vs. the BCS. What’s next?

It’s another Fantastic Friday and once more the floor is open to you. No subject is off limits as long as it’s clean. Here are five reasonably interesting topics to get our conversation going:

1. Congress  vs. the BCS. What’s next? Bill Hancock, the BCS Executive Director, sent a letter yesterday responding to inquiries from senators Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Max Baucus (D-Montana) about the way the BCS determines its champion and distributes the money, which will be about $125 million per year in the next four-year cycle.

Hancock was polite and answered all questions. But basically he told the Senators that they had more important things to worry about: “While I appreciate your interest, I believe that decisions about college football should be made by university presidents, athletics directors, coaches and conference commissioners rather than by members of Congress.”

Zing.

Hatch, upset when undefeated Utah did not get a shot at the 2008 national championship (while No. 1 Oklahoma and No. 2 Florida did), fired back with a statement released from his office: “Today, the BCS simply confirmed what most fans of college football have known for some time, that the BCS system is biased, secretive, and harmful to schools and competitors.

“No one wants to see Congress get involved here, including me. But if this response is any indication, there may not be any other option.”

Another Zing.

Now remember what I told you earlier in the week. The more and more outside forces like Congress push, the more and more the big conferences may decide to give up on any kind of post-season structure after the next four-year cycle.

The smart people I know who are handicapping this thing tell me that if expansion comes, the odds are better that the conferences will go back to the traditional bowl structure (Big Ten, Pac-10 in the Rose, SEC in the Sugar, ACC in the Orange, etc.) than forming any kind of playoff.

It is going to be an interesting summer.

 

2. Lane Kiffin is making $4 million at USC. Seriously? Seriously. Nothing really surprises me anymore but when HBO and ESPN reported that Kiffin, who has won exactly seven games as a college head coach during a cup of coffee at Tennessee, would be making $4 million at USC that surprised me. A couple of things in play here: USC was obviously in no mood to fool around last January when Pete Carroll bolted for the Seattle Seahawks. AD Mike Garrett needed somebody who knew how the program works and would say yes if the number on the table was big enough. Also remember that agent Jimmy Sexton (see Nick Saban, Houston Nutt) is one of the best when it comes to convincing a school that his guy is the one they need and this is the number that it will take to get him. Sexton sold USC on the future. The guy is good.

 

3. Assistant coaches deserve every penny they get:  Remember back in the summer of 2008 when the SEC did its $3 billion TV deal with CBS and ESPN? I told you at the time that a lot of that new money would be spent to hire and retain the best coaches for this league. It is no coincidence that a bunch of coordinators in the SEC have now cashed in.

David Jones of Florida Today points out that a year ago only two SEC assistants were making more than $500,000. Since then Alabama DC Kirby Smart has had his pay doubled to $700,000. Georgia had to pony up and pay Todd Grantham $750,000 to get him away from the Dallas Cowboys. More than one school came after South Carolina DC Ellis Johnson and he got his salary doubled to $700,000. Auburn OC Gus Malzahn got bumped up to $500,000. Derek Dooley had to pay Justin Wilcox $600,000 to leave Boise State and become the new DC and Tennessee. And so it goes.

The money is there and the agents who represent these coaches know it. And what do you do if you’re an athletics director like South Carolina’s Eric Hyman? His business sense tells him he can’t pay $700,000 for an assistant football coach but if Steve Spurrier says he has to have Johnson running his defense (and he does), what are you going to do? You’re going to pay it.

 

4. You gotta give Boise State credit. They play people: The Broncos have 21 of 22 starters coming back from a 14-0 team. They will travel all the way across the country to open the season on Sept. 6 against Virginia Tech in Landover, Md. On Sept. 25 they will host Oregon State, which will be in a lot of preseason Top 25s. Next season Chris Peterson and his gang will open the season at Ole Miss. Boise State was told a while back that in order to get into the national championship discussion it would have to go on the road and beat people that are supposed to be better than them. Rather than complain about a perceived injustice as a program in a league without an automatic qualifier, Boise rolled up their sleeves and improved the schedule. Same goes for TCU, which went on the road and beat Virginia and Clemson last season.

 

5. Please say a prayer for the Beamer family: Cheryl Beamer, the wife of Virginia Tech head coach Frank Beamer, was seriously injured in a fall at their second home at Lake Oconee. According to media reports, Cheryl Beamer fell when she was carrying one of her grandchildren and tripped over a family pet and could not break her fall.  She was rushed to Athens Regional Hospital where she had pins inserted in both legs. She also suffered six broken ribs and a broken collarbone. Virginia Tech Sports Information Dave Smith told the Raleigh News & Observer that the child was not seriously injured.

Frank Beamer, set to enter his 23d season at Virginia Tech, suffered a fall two weeks ago getting off a plane in Roanoke. He’ll need surgery this summer to repair a torn tendon in his right bicep.

 

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385 comments Add your comment

Joey

May 21st, 2010
8:59 am

$4M a year for a guy who has yet to have a winning season. Wow!

P-Man

May 21st, 2010
9:01 am

Lots of things to think about…

1) I’m of 2 minds. Part of me wants a playoff, part of me wishes things would go back to the old system.

2)I can’t believe Lane Kiffin, who has yet to prove himself, would get $4 million. And here, I just lost my job as a teacher because we are cutting budgets to schools…

3) I’m all for assistant coaches getting what they can, since they do most of the dirty work, and get little recognition. They’re like offensive linemen- nobody notices them unless they screw up!

4) Boise St has been one of the best programs for many years, but they are following in the footsteps of Fresno St- play anybody anywhere at anytime!

5) My prayers are with the Beamer family. I’ve been an admirer of Frank Beamer for many years, as he is truly a class act.

Joey

May 21st, 2010
9:05 am

Tony, Boise is following the blueprint Bobby Bowden laid out in the late 70s and 80s. Going on the road and beating (or even playing good against) big name schools will put your team on the map.

ron mexico

May 21st, 2010
9:06 am

Boise St has bumped up their schedule, but their whining about having to go on the road because no one wants to do a home and home is legendary. As for the Lane Train, UT fans can take solace that it took at least a few pennies to pryhim away.

m

May 21st, 2010
9:06 am

Congress should shut down the BSbcs.

The BSbcs is the dumbest system ever devised by mankind. History will look back at the BSbcs one day and will laugh at how stupid it is and how stupid people that supported it are.

We need a 16 team playoff. We need it NOW. Let the players and the teams decide it on the field and not by blowhards like Tony.

And, as always, Thank God and Greyhound that gomer Gailey is gone forever.

Bulldog59

May 21st, 2010
9:07 am

Change a few words here and, right back ‘atcha Senator:

“Again today, Congress simply confirmed what most fans of good and fair government have known for some time, that the Congress is biased, secretive, and harmful.”

Hatch a.k.a. Hack, you guys don’t know your own business (government), so stay out of sports!

m is a broken record

May 21st, 2010
9:11 am

m,

get some new material!

5IML

May 21st, 2010
9:12 am

Enter your comments here

DP

May 21st, 2010
9:14 am

The ACC’s record in BCS games is a pathetic 2-10, by far the worst of any conference. No wonder m hates the BCS.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2010/01/07/acc-continues-to-struggle-in-bcs-bowl-games/

Colin

May 21st, 2010
9:19 am

I have consistently rooted against Virginia Tech for as long as I can remember, but I always thought Beamer was a good man. I pray that his family quickly recovers and I wish him the best.

Bo

May 21st, 2010
9:21 am

Tony, I have to disagree with your characterization of Boise State. They are no Fresno State. Last year, all Boise had to do was win their opener against Oregon (ranked 16) to be in the “BCS buster” discussion and finish #6. Even the game announcers were saying that Oregon was their only test for the year and Boise should roll to an undefeated season.

I will give them credit for scheduling GA in 2005 and VT this year, but they’ve only scheduled 4 “tough” opponents in the last 6 years (including Oregon in ‘08 & ‘09).

Fightin Gobbler

May 21st, 2010
9:24 am

Could there be any bigger egos that college presidents vs. congressman? I’m hard pressed to think of one.

As a Hokie, I was so sad to hear about Cheryl Beamer. She (and Frank) have always been such great people. I hope there are no further complications and that she is quickly on the mend but wow, what an awful accident.

Alphare

May 21st, 2010
9:24 am

Only $4mill? As someone points out earlier in another message board, people in Wall Street lose money and get paid even more.

As people in the “conservative” south like to point out to those who are not “conservative”: this is market economy at its best!

Brian

May 21st, 2010
9:26 am

1. Get congress out of my sports, they should not have the time to meddle there. Maybe if they spent more time on actual quality of life oversight we would be in better shape with regards to financial, health care, and immigration reform.

2. Hey USC remember the late 1990’s and the level of success you had then? You’re about to be reminded of it. (Mainly because they are going to get slapped with probation in 3, 2, 1…)

3. Well whether they deserve it or not they are going to get it. Just another reason to applaud GT in getting such an established DC in Al Groh for so cheap due to his unique situation. Could be in for a special few years on the flats.

4. They can play the national schedule, but it is unfortunately a moot point if USC, any SEC team, Texas, OK, OSU, or any combo of two name teams are also undefeated. Because the human polls do matter and they will always look down on Boise. A playoff can’t get here soon enough.

5. Wow hard times for the Beamers.

Bonus points to Tony for not mentioning anything related to conference expansion.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

May 21st, 2010
9:26 am

Its good to see Boise scheduling tougher opponents- the game vs VT should be great. This crap with the BCS and Congress will never work out. Too much $$ out there for these fat cats to grab.

Monticello Dawg

May 21st, 2010
9:27 am

I think Southern Miss under Jeff Bower had the slogan “Anyone, Any time, Anywhere”.

T3

May 21st, 2010
9:28 am

Get well soon Mrs. Beamer

T3

May 21st, 2010
9:29 am

The only reason Barnahrt makes it an issue
is because its not an “SEC” coach.

Joey

May 21st, 2010
9:30 am

Best wishes to Mrs. Beamer.

Frank Beamer is not always “classy”, however, P-Man. When he lost to Tech last season, he popped off about “chop blocks.” The story spread. He then called and apologized to PJ.

After UGA beat the Hokies in the Chick Fil A Bowl a few years back, and when Beamer got back to VA, he told a reporter that UGA had spied on his practices. That comment caused a stir also and he publicly apologized to Richt.

All coaches hate to lose. Most don’t fabricate excuses like Beamer.

leroy

May 21st, 2010
9:31 am

when is Bama going to MAN UP snd play a schedule that represents a national champion? Never that’s when…just because the sissies at the NCAA have given in to intimidation from the likes of Saban and others, doesn’t mean Bama cannot play above what is required. I’m sure if you ask the players they would want to play somebody in Div I besides Ga State. The Coaches want to play 12 Ga States and then strut around like they have really accomplished something. It sickens me to see them play some start up commuter school while UF played Charleston Southern. If anyone has ever seen CS’s facilities, they have something comparable to Junior High School. It is disgraceful.

Joey

May 21st, 2010
9:32 am

Congress should take m’s computer from him . . .

Matt

May 21st, 2010
9:33 am

There’ll never be a 16-team playoff. This is shaping up to be a pi$$ing match between a bunch of fat old white guys who should be golfing in Florida instead of making major decisions that affect normal people.

SOGADOG

May 21st, 2010
9:33 am

It is disgraceful that Senator Hatch wants to politicize college football. I hate that we have to talk about politics and college football at the same time, but here goes. Our Federal Government has grown in scope and power at an alarming rate during the last few years and especially during the last two years. Government control of our lives in areas such as health care, banking, business, education and soon energy use and production (ie cap and tax) has expanded tremendously recently. Now Congress wants to control college football. That is going too far and we must continue to vote these Senators and Representatives out of office in November so Congress and the White House will stop infringing on our freedoms. We the voters need to clean house in Washington, Senator Hatch included.

I fear a consequence of conference expansion some may not have contemplated yet. If the Big Ten and SEC expand to sixteen teams, and other conferences follow, this will bolster the government’s argument that college football is a monopoly and the Justice Dept. may take action under anti-trust laws to restructure and assert more control over college football. Conference leaders beware, the larger and more powerful you become, the bigger a target you make for the government.

renegade

May 21st, 2010
9:34 am

Sorry but Boise State also plays chicken. I read where Nebraska came calling and they had no desire to play them and I believe other teams have asked as well. They may play some better teams occasionally but there a selective in picking ones they thick they can win.

UGADAWGZ

May 21st, 2010
9:38 am

VT is going to do to Boise state what we did to them in 05

Dog Dawg

May 21st, 2010
9:39 am

The BCS is better than the old system, but I do agree with m. We need a 16 team playoff.

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
9:39 am

Yay it’s Friday.

Let me sum this up, Rational Citizen- “leaglize it”
;)

1. Zing indeed. Just another case of Person A wanting the share or protfits from something that Person B built. A philosphy that is slowly taking over our nation. It’s that simple folks.

2. I really don’t know how Kiffin has promted hisself into this hot head coach persona, especially without ever really proving it on the field. But he did. Weather or not he is the real deal or not will soon become exposed. By the way, I saw on ESPN that the 4million/year sallary was grossly overstated.

3. “Assistant coaches deserve every penny they get” Sure they do. But who really deserves a little slice of the pie is the players. I wont get into the details and hurdles, because there are plenty, but it should be done.

4. “You gotta give Boise State credit. They play people” Yes, but it’s the # of high profile games compared to a BCS conference team that indefinitely does them in. They have a pretty record at the end of every season but in reality, a 13-1 Boise St team is about on par with a 8-4 SEC team. We were absolutely robbed last year when they put TCU and Boise St against each other in the Fiesta. They are not in a BCS conference, thus they do not deserve to play in the BCS championship game. All this media propaganda that’s going to come out for them is going to make me sick. Well, until they drop to Va Tech or Or St (hopefully).

5. Will do. I wonder how many people get hurt tripping over their dogs?

Mike

May 21st, 2010
9:40 am

I think Congress has every right to get involved in this BCS nonsense and introduce some fairness. The American taxpayers are effectively subsidizing this entire sham because of the fact that many of the school are state schools and ALL of them are tax exempt organizations.

sidewalk74

May 21st, 2010
9:41 am

Hey Tony,
Kiffin won 7 games at Tennessee not 6.

Conservative Guy

May 21st, 2010
9:41 am

Actually, Alphare, we are everywhere, not just in the south. We’re usually kinda low-key, but we will be heard loud and clear in November.

SaintsLSU

May 21st, 2010
9:45 am

My thoughts…

Congress needs to stay the heck away from the BCS. I know its not perfect, but its what we have now.

Lame Kitten is a D-Bag

I hope VT crushes Boise. I do not want them in the NC.

And last by certainly not least, my prayers are with the Beamer family. A classy coach like him deserves our prayers.

Tony Barnhart

May 21st, 2010
9:48 am

You are correct, sidewalk74, Lane Kiffin was 7-6 in his one season at Tennessee. My humble apologies to coach Kiffin and his fans.

TommyJack

May 21st, 2010
9:49 am

Term limits.

Alphare

May 21st, 2010
9:51 am

Conservative Guy,

As long as you don’t select another Bush Jr, Kiffin Jr, or Shula Jr, I am OK with it.

Liberals are everywhere too, Conservative Guy. And they do a better job too. Look at California and the Northeast, almost all our modern inventions and ideas are from there. What’s the last time the “conservative” south invented much of anything or had a Nobel prize winner? The entire south never had a Nobel prize winner as I know of (whereas some 3rd world countries had a few).

SOLUTION

May 21st, 2010
9:53 am

you all want a Div. 1 playoff system? All that needs to happen is Notre Dame going undefeated but finishing 3rd in the polls. Then like a miracle of God, the red sea will part and lo and behold a playoff system will be put in place immediately. You will not even have to wait until the following season. Right now, they expanded the bowl games so when Notre Dame has a losing season they can play but again should ND ever be ranked 3rd and undefeated, your prayers will be answered.

Tech Fan Since 1950

May 21st, 2010
9:54 am

Tony, athletic funding from TV and other sources is only a small drop in the bucket compared to what Congress provides in the way of federal funding and research dollars to these same institutions of higher learning for non athletic activities. There is a public and sports writers assumption that athletics is the tail that wags the dog for some of these schools, and it may be partially true. However, if these athletic directors don’t tread lightly, they may find themselves in the dog house with both their presidents and their congress persons. They are not as powerful and independent as they think they are. Thank goodness their BCS joke and “Zings” are not playing well to all in Washington.

rocksteadyfreddie

May 21st, 2010
10:03 am

TB,
I would have no problem going back to the traditional tie ins. Do that, and play one more game. final AP 1 vs AP 2 rotate it between Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange. regular season still important. bowl people happy. 2 best teams play at end of year. fans happy.

Andrew

May 21st, 2010
10:06 am

Dang that’s a lot of broken bones. That’s something you’d see from a motorcycle or skateboard accident. No word on the grandchild?

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
10:07 am

rocksteady..

Isn’t that pretty much what we do now?

the real problem

May 21st, 2010
10:13 am

as i have said before, this is a generational issue, lead by the baby boomers and their “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it…but let me see how much money i can get out of it…” mentaility.

Naturally, they decided that the best solution instead of a playoff is to just cocooning themselves off in super conferences where they can all sit around and count money and pat themselves on the back. Great.

This constant posturing but never doing anything is pretty much the standard MO of the generation that has never won a war against an enemy that could put up a fight, given us the hula hoop, talk radio, three stock market crashes, woodstock, the mortgage crisis, recreational drugs, bill clinton, rush limbaugh, george w. bush, and most of these idiots in congress.

just wait 10-15 years, folks…..after they have finished bankrupting the country and laying waste to everything else in the name of greed and narcissism, we can begin to see some real progress.

rocksteadyfreddie

May 21st, 2010
10:16 am

RX,
nope. to get a birth in the final game you have to have won your Bowl game. Remember 94 when Penn State went undefeated as did Nebraska after both won their bowl games? If Rocksteadyfreddie was in charge Penn State and Nebraska would have played a week later. it is essentially a plus one with out the BCS. play your 3 bowl games, and then the top 2 teams in the final poll play for it all.

Mike

May 21st, 2010
10:16 am

About Kiffin, keep in mind that USC had already been rebuffed by the first three or four people they approached due to the timing and the impending probation(Riley, Del Rio, Bellotti, Erickson) and were desperate to land a coach that close to signing day. They had no choice but to overpay. The $4m is a sign of the desperation of their situation more than Kiffin’s coaching ability.

DP

May 21st, 2010
10:18 am

Boise State plays people? Here are their out of conference opponents from last season along with their records: Tulsa 5-7, UC Davis 6-5, Oregon 10-3, Miami-Ohio 7-6, Bowling Green 1-11. The 2nd place team in the WAC, Nevada, went 7-1 in the conference, losing only to Boise State. Outside the WAC, Nevada went 1-3, losing 35-0 at Notre Dame, losing 35-20 at Colorado State, losing at home 31-21 to Missouri and beating UNLV 63-28 at home.

The WAC other than Boise State had an out of conference record in 2009 of 15-22.

Boise State basically played a one game season to go to a BCS bowl last year. This year they have a 2 game schedule.

rocksteadyfreddie

May 21st, 2010
10:18 am

i ment to say 4 Bowl games (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange)

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
10:21 am

Do you guys really think Boise St has the power to schedule anyone they want anytime they want? Its not easy convincing good teams to play you because good teams have nothing to gain by playing Boise St. If they come out and beat Virginia Tech this year then its going to get even worse.

tony's a homer

May 21st, 2010
10:38 am

Boise State will play anyone, anywhere UNLESS it’s LSU. Like the time they backed out of a scheduled game and forced LSU to pick up whatever scrub team they could find.

Let college football go back to the old bowl system so the non-BCS conferences can see how much money they are really worth.

Bravesfan79

May 21st, 2010
10:40 am

Congress has every right to force changes and tear apart the greedy BCS! As a GT and UGA fan it made me sick that a few great UGA teams were left out of the national championship when they were obviously better than one of the teams. And as a GT fan, knowing that any team in the ACC (not named Miami or FSU) has NO chance at a national championship game regardless of record, makes me wonder why anyone buys tickets to meaningless bowl games knowing there only hurting their own favorite sport by supporting a broken system.
And as a fan of the underdogs like Boise and Utah, knowing before the season starts that they have NO shot at a title just makes the whole system look like a joke!
BCS sucks, thank God i live in a city with REAL sports! Go Falcons, Go Braves!

help, I live in Ga

May 21st, 2010
10:42 am

Tony, on #1, wouldn’t it make sense if we had 4 super conferences that all had a championship game. then we have a 4 team, 2 game playoff for the NC. Or even an 8 game, with 4 automatice bids. This makes sense so I’m sure it won’t happen.

2 & 3: Yes Kiffen is overpayed but he broke the ceiling on assistant coaches pay when Monte got $2 million. I think coordinator pay will continue to rise. Why shouldn’t it? You can’t pay the players and you have all this TV money.
4. I’ll give Boise State credit when they join a real conference and play tough teams that beat you up week in and week out. And then when they win a conference championship while having a bunch of banged up players–I’ll give them credit. Till then their just Boise State winning a bunch of games that don’t really matter.

5. Our prayers go out to the Beamers. what a terrible run of bad luck on such a good man and his family.

Reptiles Rule

May 21st, 2010
10:44 am

I’m no T-Bagger but I am of the mindset that Congress needs to stay out of these type of things and concentrate on the half million other problems this country faces right now. Also Lane Kiffin?? Another classic example of “only in America”.

GT Fan

May 21st, 2010
10:46 am

Sounds like the Stupid Contract GT’s X- AD Baines (sp.) gave PAUL HEWITT, with a 7 million pay-off when they fire him. Thats the only reason he’s still here. They could pay off Chan in football but BB is not as important to GT and Rads.
Oh, what a wonderful day it will be when his @@@ is gone.

Miles

May 21st, 2010
10:49 am

Mike Garrett is an idiot…

Bravesfan79

May 21st, 2010
10:49 am

Boise State… the UNBEATEN Real National Champs of 2008! That game against OU is a all time classic.
Hey guess what fans, you have another.. very predictable..season ahead of you… the national champ game will be decided between Ohio State, Texas, OU, USC, or the SEC champ. All other schools…. might as well not even play the season because even if they go UNDEFEATED… they have NO shot at a national title! BORING If sports is about competition, they how does this sham qualify as a sport?

Bill

May 21st, 2010
10:53 am

BCS needs to be fair and balanced. If that means Congress needs to step in, so be it. We need a true play-off system. Its a joke the way it is now.

T

May 21st, 2010
10:56 am

I know it has already been said, but count me against Tony’s pro-BSU schedule statement. Can you really call it playing someone if all but one (maybe two on some years) of your games each year are garbage opponents? Can’t stand all the love BSU gets from ESPN. The one time they come east, UGA wiped the floor with them. The only thing BSU does well is game the system. They have zero incentive to ever change conferences or schedule more than one tough game a year. They may not win the BCS title, but they will still make the Fiesta by beating their high school competition in the WAC.

Dan

May 21st, 2010
11:11 am

Seems foolish to pay assistants that much money. They deserve a good salary because they work hard and have a good skill, but it seems to me that you could get a comparable coach for significantly less. And if you can’t, you’re probably not looking hard enough.

Alphare

May 21st, 2010
11:13 am

Yeah, why not congress?

Purdue helped break up Atlanta Gas & Light (something like that), and now I pay more for the natural gas service every month.

Jake

May 21st, 2010
11:14 am

Warren Hatch needs to get over it. Not sure the voters sent him to Washington to discuss College Football,, after all he’s not from Bama.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 21st, 2010
11:19 am

Nothing better than good ole government football. FAIR FAIR FAIR!!!!!!

Ben

May 21st, 2010
11:20 am

The battle for a playoff system is becoming some sort of war of attrition. The conference heads and presidents will lose because in the end the current system is simply too fraught with inequality and inconsistencies. The dyed in the wool college football fan will never shut up until something is in place that is 100% fair. We can wait out this old guard.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 21st, 2010
11:20 am

“Hatch, upset when undefeated Utah did not get a shot at the 2008 national championship (while No. 1 Oklahoma and No. 2 Florida did)”

Yeah, I don’t see Alabama’s governors and senators getting upset over Auburn 2004. Utah has a joke schedule. Try going undefeated in the SEC and THEN being left out.

6 SEC teams have gone undefeated in the last 30 years. 2 of those undefeated teams happen to be Auburn.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 21st, 2010
11:22 am

“As a GT and UGA fan it made me sick that a few great UGA teams were left out of the national championship”

None of those UGA teams went undefeated. Only one of those UGA teams won the SEC.

WIN YOUR DIVISION. WIN YOUR CONFERENCE. GO UNDEFEATED. GET LEFT OUT OF THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME. THEN TALK ABOUT UNFAIR.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 21st, 2010
11:24 am

“when is Bama going to MAN UP snd play a schedule that represents a national champion?”

I’m no Bama fan but that comment is stupid. Bama beat Florida, VT, Texas, LSU and you say they didn’t beat anyone?

N

May 21st, 2010
11:25 am

Definitely don’t buy the BCU comment either. They should have a good team this year, I agree. But. Their strength of schedule has been the lowest in the entire NCAA for the past number of seasons. It’s what they do. It’s how they get into the discussion. Maybe this trip to VT will help them improve it. Or maybe it won’t because VT teams always have the heart of a slab of granite. But so long as BSU’s strength of schedule is in the lowest half of all teams playing the game, I’m not going to credit arguments that “they’re good” just because they’re undefeated. That’s the problem. They have more changes to make than scheduling VT (esp. given VT’s rank when they were actually scheduled a while ago).

Reptiles Rule

May 21st, 2010
11:26 am

Alphare, ditto for the T.V.cable companies down here in Florida. The Florida Legislature a few years ago passed laws to “protect” the consumer…would you like to guess what happened with cable prices?? Yep, another example of your lobbyist dollars at work!

AJC sports writers are hacks

May 21st, 2010
11:26 am

“Same goes for TCU, which went on the road and beat Virginia and Clemson last season.”

LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, ClemPson and Vagina!!!!!!!! TWO POWERHOUSE TEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Tebow cries

May 21st, 2010
11:26 am

••••••tear•••••••••••

Ted

May 21st, 2010
11:27 am

Leroy,
You are an idiot! Bama played one of the hardest schedules in the country last year and will this year.
Ted

KR

May 21st, 2010
11:29 am

Dear Senator Hatch,

In the big scheme of things, the winner of the BCS trophy is pretty meaningless, don’t you think? After all, we have military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq; we have an attempt to take over the healthcare system; we have a well-documented immigration problem and we have widespread corruption in the banking industry that is wiping out the finances of thousands of Americans, just to name a few.

I believe the Electoral College process of deciding the Presidency of the United States is patently unfair and a throwback to conditions that no longer exist. Before you waste all the taxpayers’ money on your personal crusade for Utah, why don’t you tackle that one instead?

Seriously, if you have all this free time to poke around in the entertainment business of college football, maybe it’s time you resigned and let someone else have a shot at doing some good for the people of the United States. There are far more important things for Senators to address.

Your pal,

KR

Jake

May 21st, 2010
11:32 am

Yes, I will remember Frank Beamers wife. If she’s anything like Frank, then she’s a good lady. I’ve always admired his record, even though I’m not a VT supporter. He took a no-name college football team and put them on the map. Bobby did the same at FSU. Prayers do go out to his wife.

Avenge Auburn 2004

May 21st, 2010
11:32 am

Would Orin Hatch like to argue for Auburn in 2004?

NCAA Statistician

May 21st, 2010
11:39 am

The problem with the logic,that the BCS should be ran by, “university presidents, athletics directors, coaches and conference commissioners rather than by members of Congress” is that certain specific schools have created an oligopoly where a very few schools share the bulk of the funds. If a BCS schools can sell more seats, caps, jerseys, etc. Great for them! That is how that school should be enriched individually and reward them for having a large fan base. The BCS and the entire Bowl system should be predicated on who had good to great years and be equitable equally to all Division 1 football teams. But hey I have been told since my birth 6 decades ago that “nothing in life is fair” and College athletics with both the bowl system and officiating has proven that our time after time.

Sanford Sewage

May 21st, 2010
11:43 am

The BCS is a huge monopoly. Not allowing a 5th bowl to participate in the championship game and rotating it amongst the 4 big bowls is a freaking joke. No playoff is a freakin joke. As a DIV 1 season ticket holder, I hate that’s how the football season ends. The BCS should be investigated, they have screwed the pooch.

Kiffin was worth 4 million to TN, atleast I got 4 million dollars worth of laughs from him (mostly at UGA expense)

Jethro

May 21st, 2010
11:44 am

Boise State’s schedule is a joke no matter how you look at it.

Boise plays Virginia Tech……Bama plays Penn State
Boise plays Oregon State…….Bama plays Arkansas
Boise plays New Mexico State…Bama plays Florida
Boise plays Toledo………….Bama plays South Carolina
Boise plays Hawaii………….Bama plays LSU
Boise plays Nevada………….Bama plays Auburn
Boise plays Utah State………SEC Championship Game??????????

Joey

May 21st, 2010
11:48 am

Don’t be silly, college football fans. This congress and president aren’t gonna take over the BCS and NCAA football. Jeez!

Dang, next you’ll be worring about them taking over the auto industry, or the health care industry or something . . .

Alphare

May 21st, 2010
11:52 am

Isn’t there an old saying: If you cannot beat them, join them.

Why don’t Boise or Utah joins a big conference since they think they are so good? PAC 10 can a good choice. Any year they beat SoCal and undefeated, nobody won’t say they don’t deserve the NC shot.

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
11:53 am

“6 SEC teams have gone undefeated in the last 30 years. 2 of those undefeated teams happen to be Auburn.”

True, but there are a couple of little facts left out.

93 Auburn team (or w/e year it was) was disqualified from post season because of cheating.

04 Auburn team scheduled 2 Div 1-AA teams.

I have more pitty for the 04 team.

Snipes25

May 21st, 2010
11:53 am

“Derek Dooley had to pay Todd Wilcox $600,000 to leave Boise State and become the new DC and Tennessee”

His name is Justin Wilcox.

dawgfan

May 21st, 2010
11:55 am

Boise State and TCU are nice little teams but they would get their freaking doors blown off in the weekly grind of a BCS league. I’m not even going to go all SEC homer on you. I think they would even find life hard in the craptastic ACC. Too much talent and depth. These top mid majors are good for a few isolated upsets here and there but let’s see them follow it up the next week with another big game. That’s what all the media geeks hyping these mid majors don’t get. They just wouldn’t have the depth and talent to put up the kind of gaudy win-loss records that they do in their weak leagues. Oh whoopee TCU is going to beat Virginia. Are you kidding me Tony? You’re better than this.

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
11:57 am

Alphare, do you really think that Boise can just go join any conference they want, whenever they want? They would join the Pac 10 in a heart beat if invited. Whats done to teams like Boise St is borderline collusion. They cant join a major conference, hardly anybody will play them for fear of ruining their season, and then they get left out of the picture because they have a weak schedule. I bet the Butler Bulldogs are glad this doesnt happen in College Basketball.

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
12:00 pm

Maybe it’s time to cut down the number Division 1 teams? Or the bowl championship division…or w/e they call it now.

I’m lazy this am and don’t feel like looking stuff up :mrgreen:

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
12:01 pm

A prayer to a family? Although a nice gesture:
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1. this assumes the creator of this entire universe is somehow unaware of the situation.
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2 Assumes that the creator of this entire universe NEEDS to be instructed by us mere mortals what he should or should not do.
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3. Assumes the creator of this entire Universe is some doting old fool sitting around undecided about how to employ his grand scheme and is waiting on a Christ hot line call (prayer) from us to make a decision.
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Prayers are used to give thanks and to ASK HOW WE CAN DO HIS BIDDING not the other way around.

Gen Neyland

May 21st, 2010
12:07 pm

I’ve been told a person is worth whatever someone is willing to pay them. That being what it is, I can come up with a slew of people that ain’t worth what they’re gettin’ paid and my list wouldn’t begin with Kiffin but he’d be on it. I gotta wonder if Lil’ Lane’s 4 mil has any California tax payer dollars in it…Jimmy Sexton is an interesting fellow IMO. A friend of ours son dated Sexton’s nanny, believe it or not. As a sports agent he’s a shark and if I needed a guy to ever negotiate a sports contract for me, he’s it. I do believe Eric Berry went with Sexton. Small world Atop Rocky, huh..?

Tony Barnhart

May 21st, 2010
12:11 pm

Thank you, Snipes. Obviously it is Justin Wilcox at Tennessee. Had Todd Grantham of Georgia on the brain. My mistake.

dawgfan

May 21st, 2010
12:13 pm

Hugostiglitz, please list the BCS teams that have turned down a chance to play Boise State. Can you name a single one?

Gen Neyland

May 21st, 2010
12:14 pm

Pat Sully : And you received your doctorate in theology from where..?

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
12:15 pm

Gen Neyland…and I was wrong EXACTLY where…………..

PMC

May 21st, 2010
12:18 pm

My guess is that Orrin Hatch and Max Baucas will be voted out of office.

If they do anything of merit it would be stripping the NCAA of it’s Anti Trust agreements. They don’t deserve them anyway.

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
12:18 pm

Neyland:
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Are you saying he is not the creator of the universe?
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Are you saying he needs our input?
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Are you saying prayer was originally used to dictate to God what he should or should not do?
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So are you saying we should not give thanks?
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Are you saying its his job to do our biding?
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What are you saying?

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
12:21 pm

AGAIN…….prayer is not the vehicle with which to dictate to the ALL MIGHTY. Its for giving thanks and asking for instruction and strength to do His bidding. Its the whole “grand scheme” thingy.

PMC

May 21st, 2010
12:21 pm

Traditional bowl matchups are crap. I guess ending the tradition of watching football with my family on New Years is truely dead. It’s not fun anymore, the matchups are garbage from conference tie ins and they drag it out into the middle of january for add revenue…so that bill lumbergs stock will go up another 1/4 of a percent…

It’s pretty much dead at this point.

blah blah

May 21st, 2010
12:23 pm

bamaguy

May 21st, 2010
12:24 pm

The BCS will, basically never change. They might pull off a four team playoff, but that would be it. But that would be even more controversial (can you imagine two unbeaten and six or so 10-1 teams, the heck that would break out over which two 10-1 teams got in). Reason it will never change: $

Reason USC is paying Kiffin so much: So he won’t bolt when the sanctions come like Coach Fran did from Alabama. Who would match that salary.

God be with the Beamers. Sometimes we need to be reminded of how relatively unimportant sports really are.

Tom

May 21st, 2010
12:24 pm

Its funny how Lane Kiffin isn’t even in the South anymore and there’s still talk about him. It makes him more arrogant! Quit talking about Kiffin!!!

Assistants getting paid big $$$. OLD NEWS

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
12:25 pm

The church started encouraging prayer for personal gain as a way to entice desperate folks to come in asking Him for help with a “little donation” to help his answer move along faster. That form of “prayer” originated to help fill the church coffers by feeding off of desperate people looking for any miracle to cure them or a family It was the easiest way to drain them of their money.

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
12:27 pm

Dawg Man

May 21st, 2010
12:27 pm

Congress and the BCS have at least 2 things in common: Neither of them make any sense, and neither have a clue what the hell they’re doing.

[...] Four Gators made Steele’s preseason All-American squad.11.  Tony Barnhart of The AJC says “assistant coaches deserve every penny they get.”12.  Georgia has just as many players on Steele’s first-team All-SEC list as Alabama.13.  [...]

HanDAWG

May 21st, 2010
12:37 pm

Boise at UGA was a blowout

HanDAWG

May 21st, 2010
12:38 pm

Kiffin was 7-6 and his recruits robbed a convenience store. Lil Dooley has a losing record as head coach, by the way. (www.bighairyblawg.com)

how2fish

May 21st, 2010
12:41 pm

My prayers are with the Beamer family. I’ve been an admirer of Frank Beamer for many years, as he is truly a class act I hope he and his wife a speedy recovery.

Old Dawg

May 21st, 2010
12:42 pm

Other than his ego, does Lane Kiffin have any fans?

Clarification

May 21st, 2010
12:46 pm

Borderline collusion? Should congress step in here too and make the big schools play Boise? If they don’t want to play Boise, that’s their right.

Personally, I think Boise’s claim that no one wants to play them is bogus, and is simply PR to get people feeling sorry for them. Fresno State was scaring the hell out of BCS schools in the early part of the 2000’s, and they never had problems scheduling multiple big teams a year, and they continue to do so to this day. I think there’s just as much foot dragging on BSU’s part as there is trepidation on the part of BCS teams.

Also, LOL @ Tony for giving Boise so much credit in scheduling a game with freaking MISSISSIPPI. Were Iowa St and Illinois not available?

Clarification

May 21st, 2010
12:57 pm

Also, why do people talk about the BCS system like it’s the devil and everything that’s wrong with CFB? It’s BETTER than what proceeded it, when we had no guaranteed matchup of #1 vs #2. The mid-major conferences have profited more from bowls than ever before because of the BCS. Furthermore, the only reason we’re even having these arguments about Boise, Utah, etc, to begin with is because the BCS system gave these teams a chance to shine in major bowl games, which they never would have gotten in the old system.

Not saying the BCS is perfect, but I don’t get all the hatred and anger towards it. The “problems” people are identifying (no real champion or playoff, exclusion of mid-major teams) existed decades before the creation of the BCS. If anything, the BCS has improved these upon these situations.

Greg

May 21st, 2010
12:59 pm

Just shows you how totally screwed up Washington is…..why would a member of congress actually take the time to even address something as stupid and biased as the BCS. Both Washionton and the people who run the BCS are a bunch of idiots.

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
1:01 pm

No congress shouldnt force big teams to play Boise St. They should force college football to have a championship system where more then 10 teams have a chance to win the championship every year. With a playoff, Boise’s weak schedule shouldnt matter because they would have to prove themselves anyway.

The way it is now, BCS teams can basically just refuse to play Boise St and therefore make it impossible for Boise St to play for a MNC. According to the Boise St athletic director and WAC commissioner there were over 10 undisclosed BCS teams that turned them down. Thats fine and its the schools choice but Boise St shouldnt be penalized for it.

dawgs01

May 21st, 2010
1:01 pm

I hope lane kiffen loses evry game at USC, but they have to much talent hell i could coach them and they would win at least 8 games off talent alone and the pac 10 schedule. I hope VA Tech crushes Bosie State so i dont have to listen to the college gameday crew talk about how good they are all yr just to watch them get crushed in National Championship Game (i would not even want to watch Boise State vs. whoever) TCU beat clemson and virginia wow those are monumental wins.

somewhereinga

May 21st, 2010
1:10 pm

For someone who saw this one the “front page” and then clicked on it, there is nowhere in the article telling my wife what the “BCS” is. “Under what branch of the government is it?” She inquired?

Mark "Crimson Crier" Ingram

May 21st, 2010
1:12 pm

With the Obama’s and Democratic controlled Congress’ 17% real unemployment rate, they need to be worrying about bringing jobs to the US and keeping jobs in the US and not tinkering with the BCS!

Preston

May 21st, 2010
1:17 pm

I love college football with a passion but it’s kind of like watching a movie and having it cut off right before the climax. Until there’s a playoff, it will always seem like there’s unfinished business.

1eyedJack

May 21st, 2010
1:22 pm

Exactly when has Congress or the Government, for that matter, ever “fixed” ANYTHING? Usually, they only make things worse. You want to talk about 500 guys and gals who have never played any sport other than grab all the cash and power you can…that’s them.

BrokeBackJacket

May 21st, 2010
1:25 pm

I am sure I will be corrected by all the “know it alls” on here…and if I am wrong i welcome and await corrections……BUT……just how much public funds and tax money (government money) is paid to the BCS? Bowl games? The Athletic programs at the 119 Div. 1 football programs and atheltic departments?

Until the GOVERNMENT is vested in college football…they should do what they are elected to do..and when it comes to any and all things college football related, they should STFU!!!!!!!!!!

GeezusDawg

May 21st, 2010
1:26 pm

ryguy

May 21st, 2010
1:26 pm

Prayers go out to the beamer family. Hope for a speedy recovery ms. beamer. And frank, I hope you get the hookies ready to play boise come 9/6.

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
1:27 pm

As a Georgia Tech man, I’ve come to disdain VPISU and those Hokies worse than anyone save maybe a ‘Hoo or two. But Frank Beamer is a landmark upon the modern college football landscape. He built that program from “Where’s VT and what’s a Hokie?” to “I sure wish we didn’t have to play ‘em at Lane this year!”. He’s always had my respect, and I’m praying for his wife’s speedy recovery!

Go Jackets!

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
1:35 pm

Broke Back Jacket, while I find your handle awkward, I agree with your political statement. Now, some of those schools are publicly funded, but when it comes to a school’s Athletics Dept. by and large it is not getting much if any money from the state. I agree. It’s private sector all the way on this one. There’s still a war, recession, and dern yankees to deal with at the moment. Too much work to be worrying about college sports!

Simple Solution

May 21st, 2010
1:45 pm

Why not add a 4-team playoff after to bowls? Revert to the old system and then take the winners of the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange. I understand the bowls are afraid that with more neutral site games in a playoff they might not travel to the bowls. So instead of neutral sites simply have #1 and #2 host home campus games against #3 and #4. Play the (finally legitimate) title game at 100,000 seat Jerry Jones Stadium in Dallas. It would be as big as the Super Bowl and tickets just as hard to get a hold of, so the 4 BCS bowls shouldn’t get hurt. That’s an 8-team playoff with only adding 3 games. A Plus Three.

Clarification

May 21st, 2010
1:58 pm

Hugo, I wonder how many BCS teams Boise has turned down. Of course they’re not going to be forthcoming about that, are they? Also, I wonder what terms Boise was asking for with these BCS teams that turned them down.

As for Boise’s being “penalized” for being in the WAC, that is just the nature of being in a mid-major conference. If Boise continues its success, then perhaps it will move up the food chain into the Pac-10 at some point. The thing about Boise is that the very reason they’re so high in the polls is ENTIRELY because they’re in a mid-major conference, and a weak one at that.

Being in the WAC is like a free ride for Boise. Play a WAC schedule, only have to get up for one or two middling BCS teams a year, hire a PR firm to whine about how the big ones won’t play you, and voila… BCS bowl at the end of the year. They can be undefeated and in the “discussion” every year. Why would they want to mess with that?

To the contrary, I think it’s utter BS that Boise might be able to cheese its way into the BCS championship game this year just by beating a VT team with the fewest returning starters in the ACC, and an good, but not great, Pac-10 team in Oregon St. That’s your hated BCS system at work. A team like Boise would have NO CHANCE in a 16-team/4 game playoff, but if they get into a one-game situation like the BCS Championship, anything could happen.

WAC Stuck

May 21st, 2010
2:00 pm

I am amazed how many absolutely stupid & uninformed comments are posted here.

Tide Rising

May 21st, 2010
2:02 pm

Congress getting involved in the BCS? Is there anything Congress hasn’t screwed up? Let’s see Social Security is broke, Medicare is now broke, the nation as a whole is broke, etc. And now they’re threatening to screw up college football?

Boise state playing a hard schedule? They play a 2 game schedule essentially with VT and Oregon State. Maybe 3 with Fresno State which is the 1 other decent team in their conference.

Orrin Hatch- I respect the heck out of Utah for kicking us in the seat of our pants in the sugar bowl. And I think the Mountain West is a lot better than people give them credit for and certainly better than Boise’s conference. But the reality is that they don’t play a bcs conference schedule week in and week out.

Winning one big game against one bcs conference opponent is good but it doesn’t make a case for getting screwed out of the bcs title game. Want proof? Utah’s own coach had voted Utah as either the 5th or 6th best team in the country in the last poll before the bcs and bowl pairings had been announced. Your own coach didn’t think you were one of the top 2 teams in the country and really not even one of the top 4 or 5. It was only after the Alabama upset that you started whining about the BCS title game selection process.

When you,like Boise, have to play BCS conference caliber opponents on a more frequent basis then I’ll take you seriously in terms of being in the bcs title game. You deserve a bcs bowl and I’m cool with that. But the bcs title game after a season long cream puff schedule or a 2 game schedule that Boise will have this year? Nope.

I pray Frank Beamer’s wife has a full recovery. He is one of the classiest guys in college football. I would have liked to bitch smacked Lane Kiffin when he totally disrespected Beamer at the end of the Peach Bowl. On that same note if USC wants to foolishly pay this clown 4 million then so be it. They will eventually learn what UT fans already know.

Tide Rising

May 21st, 2010
2:04 pm

I know one thing. Boise will certainly decline another trip to Athens.

Jeff

May 21st, 2010
2:15 pm

I wonder if congress understand how angry people really are??? I wonder if the lame slime that run the BCS wonder how fed up we are as well…..Congress and the BCS deserve each other- no bigger bunch of losers anywhere

Delbert D.

May 21st, 2010
2:16 pm

Sorry, Mr. Kiffin. $4 million will get you a 3BR ranch with drive-under garage in the Hollywood hills.

Some magazine did a survey last year on the most expensive homes owned by professional athletes. The top guy (they said) was Matt Geiger, $25 million-plus in Tarpon Springs, Florida. Yeah, the ex-Ga. Tech center. 28,000 sq.-ft., main house, 330,000 gallon pool, 5,200 sq.-ft. guest house, 40 TVs. Unfortunately, he re-listed it this February at $16.9. It has been as low as $12.5 million last year.

Beauvighn

May 21st, 2010
2:32 pm

The only argument the BCS people have to congress is ,” You have bigger things to worry about Yada yada yda.” In essence, the BCS is probably THE most political entity in the Country. I am for what ever will expedite a playoff whether it be by Congressional mandate or what. Bring some viable data to the table BCS instead of the same old song and dance.

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
2:35 pm

“I know one thing. Boise will certainly decline another trip to Athens.”

Hehe, darn right!

I still remeber all the hype of that game, the media tried to turn into the early season heavy weight title fight. Boise didn’t stand a chance. That’s typicaly how it’s going to be for them against the high recruiting big boys. I really hope VaTech whips Boise, not because I dislike Boise, but because I know they do not deserve to be ranked in the top 5 and have talk about them playing for the national championship. Not with that schedule.

RxDawg

May 21st, 2010
2:37 pm

Sigh, I can never type remember out right. I always forget the 2nd “m”. That part of my brain is just closed off I guess.

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
2:38 pm

If Boise St and TCU and Utah are so terrible and deserve no chance to play with the almighty BCS teams then they should be moved out of the FBS to a division where they are allowed to compete for a championship. Actually to take it a step further there should be a new division created that contains about 10-20 teams who are the ones normally given a chance to win a championship. These teams can battle it out for the voters championship. The rest of the teams can reorganize and have a playoff that will be a true NCAA championship. Its a win win for everyone.

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
3:02 pm

What if the AQ conferences worked like European soccer leagues? If you’re Washington State and have finished as the last team in your conference you are shifted (in football) to play in the WAC or MAC while the WAC or MAC champion took your spot. You get back in, obviously, by winning your new division. And, technically, you’re not leaving behind your theoretical shot at the MNC, just playing for your right to be in the AQ-bid club. The way I see it, that’d put some real fire under teams like Duke, Vandy, Wash St, Iowa St, etc that non-AQ teams like Utah, TCU, and Boise say they’re better than. It also shuts the Boise’s of the world up when they’d get a football season in the Pac-10 or Big Ten (whoever would partner with their cuurent conf.), get nowhere close to the championship game, and if they do terribly enough end right back up where they are. If nothing else, it makes things more interesting which might raise the stakes and ratings.

Jethro

May 21st, 2010
3:07 pm

2008 Final Strength of Schedule rankings :
National Champs.net :
#15 – Florida
#27 – Oklahoma
#96 – Utah
Congrove Computer Rankings :
#1 – Oklahoma
#4 – Florida
#76 – Utah
USA Today :
#4 – Florida
#7 – Oklahoma
#56 – Utah

2009 Final Strengh of Schedule rankings :
Congrove Computer Rankings
#6 – Texas
#8 – Alabama
#88 – Boise State
#89 – TCU
USA Today :
#2 – Alabama
#38 – Texas
#60 – TCU
#96 – Boise State

#1 BAMA FAN

May 21st, 2010
3:12 pm

Biased, secretive and harmful…..I thought he was talking about Congress. Prayers for the Beamer family, Frank is a class act. RTR

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
3:15 pm

Also, over time it a conference league swapping structure like that might naturally realign conferences in more sensible ways. Imagine an SEC where Houston or La Tech has played their way in after a strong year (kicking, say Vandy or MSU down to C-USA for a season) and is creating a huge buzz among LSU’s NOLA TV market?

And if the annual prize for the FCS champion was a spot in a non-AQ FBS league then over time you could even have teams rise into BCS contention naturally without red tape or complaining…just play your way on up there. Where would Georgia Southern’s FCS championships have taken them?

GO HEELS

May 21st, 2010
3:16 pm

My prayers are with the Beamer family… Hope all is well

Sam

May 21st, 2010
3:31 pm

I could live with the old format. Might like to see ChickFilA step up and get the SEC team away from the Sugar Bowl.

Bo

May 21st, 2010
3:36 pm

Anti-alternative, that is an interesting scenario that you bring up. Although, it would be hell to schedule the games for 119 teams like that every year. Also, the bowls wouldn’t likely be on board with that type of arrangement. You’d also have to decide which conference is higher ranked than another AND you’d have to force ND and the other independents to join one.

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
3:38 pm

that moron head of the BCS said a playoff will not work in college football. Ummmm a playoff is USED in college football. Just not D1A college football

[...] chime in against the BCS Do they really not have anything better to do in Washington instead? Congress vs. the BCS. What’s next? | Mr. College Football There is also a little excerpt under the one about congress about Kiffin. [...]

Ron Mexico

May 21st, 2010
3:39 pm

“04 Auburn team scheduled 2 Div 1-AA teams.”

Bama had three last year………

Tide Rising

May 21st, 2010
3:53 pm

Ron Mexico,

Wrong. Bama played one double AA opponent last year. Not 3. We played 4 teams in the top 10 Fla, Texas, VT, LSU, and 2 in the top 4. We played and beat 10 bowl teams and 10 teams with winning records, a feat which has never been accomplished.

Jethro

May 21st, 2010
3:07 pm
2008 Final Strength of Schedule rankings :
National Champs.net :
#15 – Florida
#27 – Oklahoma
#96 – Utah
Congrove Computer Rankings :
#1 – Oklahoma
#4 – Florida
#76 – Utah
USA Today :
#4 – Florida
#7 – Oklahoma
#56 – Utah

2009 Final Strengh of Schedule rankings :
Congrove Computer Rankings
#6 – Texas
#8 – Alabama
#88 – Boise State
#89 – TCU
USA Today :
#2 – Alabama
#38 – Texas
#60 – TCU
#96 – Boise State

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
3:58 pm

Bo, I don’t mean you’d place BCS-AQ conferences in ahierarchy…they’re the “Top 6″ (unless they realign). The non-AQ conferences would each partner with a Top 6 conference. Under them would be the entirety of the FCS.

So let’s say early 2000’s Georgia Southern wins the FCS, right? Maybe they move up to the C-USA and the last place C-USA team is now an FCSer. Then say GSU storms the C-USA and moves up to whomever the C-USA is partnered with – let’s say the ACC. So now Duke or Maryland is a C-USA team while GSU takes their spot, wins the Atlantic Division, wins the ACCCG and plays for the MNC. That’s a rags-to-riches time of 3 seasons flat.

To make it safer and slower I’d say have a probationary period where if you move up from FCS to FBS non-AQ or non-AQ to AQ and after a season you go less than .500 then you’re back to your old spot and Duke or whomever you displaced is restored to their old spot even if they went 0-12 in the non-AQ league.

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
4:01 pm

You CANNOT take away the effort Ala used to win a BCSNC last year. You cant go 14-0 and play in the SEC (unless your Auburn) and not be good (great).

East Cobb Hokie

May 21st, 2010
4:02 pm

First, thanks to all for the caring comments about Beamers’. They are class folks, regardless of how your team fared against the Hokies on the field.

Re BCS-most fans of the college game do not go to the games, but watch them on TV. A playoff does not require any effort on their part. My family goes to all (except Duke in Durham) home and away regular season, and championship/bowl games. But we have plenty of time to plan, etc. Making a road trip with 1 (or even 2) weeks notice is almost impossible logistically and is very expensive. That’s why I am not in favor of a playoff, but would like to see a +1 BCS game to avoid a 2004 Auburn situation.

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
4:07 pm

Oh, and when kicking around ideas like this I leave ND out in the cold. Who cares what an independent wants in a world full of conferences? They want to be independent – let them. The BCS doesn’t have to give them crap.

Gen Neyland

May 21st, 2010
4:11 pm

Sulley : You laid the groundwork earlier applying criteria to prayer. Just asking where you learned do do so.

Lane Kiffin’s salary will be investigated by the federal goverment’s RICO squad right after the NCAA’s Strong Arm Committee, working in conjunction with Eric Holder get done with their (wink-wink) probe into USC west. O Hatch will ask that 1/2 of Kiffin’s salary to be given to the Utah Utes on the basis of fairness. President Obama told Hatch he has nothing to fear saying, ” We’ll just get us one of them bailouts for Utah football, man. Jus’ chill Bro O.”…

Tide Rising

May 21st, 2010
4:14 pm

General,

USC is being probed? I hope that means Land Kiffin gets probed to. And by a big one.

Anti-alternative

May 21st, 2010
4:14 pm

Gen Neyland, two thumbs up! Your Obama talks like a frat-daddy at a party school.

LOL at Pat Sulley

May 21st, 2010
4:27 pm

Doesn’t even know the difference between “your” and “you’re”. It is never too late for a GED son.

Forrest Gump is the most famous bama grad

May 21st, 2010
4:29 pm

“Wrong. Bama played one double AA opponent last year. Not 3. We played 4 teams in the top 10 Fla, Texas, VT, LSU, and 2 in the top 4. We played and beat 10 bowl teams and 10 teams with winning records, a feat which has never been accomplished.”

LOL!!!!!! Yeah, UT Chattanooga, Texas State and FL International were all powerhouses!!!!

“a feat which has never been accomplished.”

Uh…..you may want to do your homework before spouting off your hillbilly mouth, ma’am.

bamaguy

May 21st, 2010
4:30 pm

I am much more worried about my tanking 401k than I am about the BCS and anyone’s strength of schedule. I think the letter back to the Senator hit the nail right on the head.

Forrest Gump is the most famous bama grad

May 21st, 2010
4:31 pm

bamaguy

Amen, brother.

wxwax

May 21st, 2010
4:39 pm

Everyone’s focused on the money.

Everyone except the fans, who want to see a legitimate on-the-field competition for the best college football team in the country.

That’s a huge disconnect, one which ensures that the sniping and grousing about college football will never go away.

If Jim Delany is tired of the criticism now, just wait ’til they go back to a pure bowl system.

T'VILLE DAWG

May 21st, 2010
4:44 pm

If the Utahs of the world want to play with the big boys they should at least have a conference playoff to elevate the top team from their conference, what do I know they might have already. It’s still like Alabama of last year against a high school team. Sure they had that great game against bama the year before, but if only happens once in a while it’s a fluke.

MattyB

May 21st, 2010
4:45 pm

Oh, it is going to be so nice to hear all you SEC fans crying after BSU wins it all. I’m sure you will find some excuse as to why your team didn’t play their best game, or how BSU would lose 9 out of 10, but like it or not, BSU will be in the NC game…GO BRONCOS!!!

Einsteindawg

May 21st, 2010
4:46 pm

Prayers for the Beamer family. The NCAA/BSC is all about the money. Congress is all about being reelected. The smart money always is always with NCAA.

Look at that dumb S.OB run

May 21st, 2010
4:48 pm

Forrest was good though you have to admit that.

Delbert D.

May 21st, 2010
4:50 pm

“Congress vs. the BCS. What’s next?”

I dunno, ACORN vs. the NCAA?

HugoStiglitz

May 21st, 2010
5:05 pm

bamaguy, I hate to defend congress but the Senate debated and passed a huge financial reform bill just last night and last I checked Orrin Hatch was a Senator, although he voted against it. What more would you like him to do about your 401k?

Coach Small Johnson

May 21st, 2010
5:25 pm

Obviously the morons that allow the BCS to take place dont really stop and see the potential of a playofff would mean to revenue and viewership.

For instance I could care less about seeing what has become two of the most boring BCS bowls the ROSE and the ORANGE. Big ten against Pac Ten WOOOOOOOO now thats exciting, or how about the Big EAST against the ACC usually played in the ORANGE WOOOOOOOO now thats exciting too.

I dont waste my time did anyone last year watch Tech in the ORange bowl? no maybe for 5 mins to check a score and count on 5 figures the number of fans in the stadium

What would happen if all 4 BCS bowls and maybe include the Cotton would have playoff games in their stadiums people would watch due to the match ups they could have

Yes people would show just look at the attendance for the DIV II playoffs

Just a thought now someone call BILL KING and ESPN and explain to them people would see it

Hunker Down

May 21st, 2010
5:34 pm

Someone needs to run against that whiner Hatch and beat him (like Bama would Utah) so we don’t have to listen to his childish antics.

BC$ Slave

May 21st, 2010
6:38 pm

What was that you said Tony? I’m paraphrasing here, but I think you said something like, “the more outside forces like Congress push, the more likely college football will resist a playoff.” I hope we do go back to the old, traditional bowl system. At least that would stop the farce of a national championship. Frankly, if college football goes back to the bowl system, I think that would create even more bitterness between the fans and the money grubbing, self serving college establishment.

Give us a playoff…or forget the MNC.

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
6:41 pm

Gen Neyland
May 21st, 2010
4:11 pm

Sulley : You laid the groundwork earlier applying criteria to prayer. Just asking where you learned do do so.
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Kinda common sense.
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Omniscient means He knows everything so He does not need us to give Him advice nor direction nor does He need to have us dictate to Him.
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Omnipresent means He is everywhere so He is aware of what is happening to this family.
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Omnipotent means He has the power to change it should He feels it better advances His grand scheme.

pat sulley

May 21st, 2010
6:47 pm

Its not that He does not care….He has a plan and if this person suffers and that person does not its all part of the plan…how arrogant that we could presume to be on such a level that we should petition Him to CHANGE his plan to suit us.

Beast from the East

May 21st, 2010
6:54 pm

Patrick,
I’m not a religious person, but I don’t think Tony asked anyone to “tell”, “dictate” or demand that “He” do anything. He asked that you say a prayer for this family in their time of need. Surely, there’s no harm in that.
Are you just hung up on always having to “dictate” your point of view?
Nobody said anything negative about Richt today, so lighten up, will ‘ya?

Max Sizemore

May 21st, 2010
7:34 pm

Congress should close down the hypocritical NCAA. Take over control of all assets, just like they do with certain banks. Talk about a circle jerk.

BIRDDAWGONE

May 21st, 2010
8:01 pm

My prayers are with the Beamer family, so I hope that this post is not viewed as negative towards the Frank Beamer.
MY FAVORITE Quote of all time, I cut it out of the AJC and taped it at the top of my computer screen.
Ken Hatfield, the athletic director at Arkansas at the time was asked (after Beamer had just taken Arkansas to a bowl game) if he would still love Beamer if they went 6-6 the next year.
Hatfield answered,”Sure I would, I would miss him too.”

BIRDDAWGONE

May 21st, 2010
8:09 pm

Oops! wrong coach Beamer at VT, they Hatfield was talking about Coach Broyles, my misstake, still my favorite quote.

SOOHSO

May 21st, 2010
9:34 pm

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cantondawg

May 21st, 2010
10:57 pm

I liked the old bowl system better than this crap we have now. Now only 1 game counts toward the national championship game. I like the good ole days when 2 or perhaps 3 bowl games determined the NC. Remember 1984 when Nebraska and Texas were consensus #1 and #2 all season. UGA defeated #2 Texas 10-9 and Miami jumped from #4 to #1 by beating Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. Plus the bowl games back then had good matchups unlike the crappy matchups we get now.

D B Evans

May 21st, 2010
11:04 pm

Hey Leroy…what do you mean “when is Bama going to Man Up amd play somebody”. In addotion to SEC West Schedule + oTN + other SEC East foes…in ‘07 we played FSU, ‘08 Clemson (Preseason Top ‘10) and ‘09 Virginia Tech (Preseason Top 10). In ;10, Penn State come on board.

Patrick Henry

May 21st, 2010
11:34 pm

Congress should limit their sesssions to one day a year. Of course the first item for business would be a pay increase for themselves. These clowns are so much worse than the British.

observor

May 21st, 2010
11:54 pm

Get off your lazy butt Tony and actually interact with your readers. You are by far the worst blogger on the AJC.

UGADAWG30

May 22nd, 2010
12:05 am

CONGRESS HAS NO BUSINESS MESSING AROUND WITH ATHLETICS…Why doesn’t congress focus on the real problem right now…The Stinking Economy….Congress is killing us with more and more taxes and programs we cannot afford….Anyone wanting congress to get involved with the BCS is crazy…Congress cannot run Washington right…much less anything else…

dan

May 22nd, 2010
12:44 am

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

For the 10,000th time, there was no rule in the BCS in 2007 that said a team had to win their conference to play for the National Title. In 2003 Oklahoma lost 35-7 in their title game and were still able to play LSU for a shot at the National Title. In 2001 Nebraska got destroyed by Colorado yet they were still able to play for a National Title. The Dawgs would have beaten LSU or Ohio State in a title game if given the chance.

As for all the whiny Republicans on this blog: I find it humorous that most of you are anti-government when most of our civil liberties were completely disregarded during the Bush years with the Patriot Act. It’s ironic how you Republicans are anti-big government yet have no problem with government intrusion in regards to issues like abortion. Such BS! As for you mindless threats about 2010, I strongly encourage your party to run better campaigns than ya’ll did in 2008 and 2006 otherwise it will result in another ass kicking for your party.

tyler

May 22nd, 2010
12:45 am

Forrest Gump is a…….You are seriously an idiot! I love reading these posts from dumb#$@#$# like yourself. Bama was 14-0- had a Top 5 strength of schedule and beat 2 top 4 teams. Apparently Bama played and defeated enough good teams to rank anywhere between 2nd and 8th according to the computers. I can GUARANTEE it was better than any
team your sorry a$#@ for pulling for….Jealously is not a very pretty thing on you, although I’m sure you wear it often. Roll Tide loser.

tyler

May 22nd, 2010
12:48 am

That was “bama played and defeated enough good teams to rank anywhere between 2nd and 8th according to the computers STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE- wise .

Bama fan

May 22nd, 2010
1:06 am

Forrest Gump,

Show me what Tide risin wrote that’s not accurate. He is right. We played 1 double A team last year not 3. We played a top 10 VT team. Did Auburn play a top ten out of conference opponent last year? Didn’t think so. We beat 10 bowl teams and 4 top 10 teams. As for beating 10 bowl teams with winning records that is a first in history. Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t change the facts.

Are you going to argue with the unbiased computers which have Bama’s 09 schedule as either 2nd toughest in the country or 8th toughest in terms of strength of schedule? What an imbecile.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
1:31 am

Beast from the East
May 21st, 2010
6:54 pm

Patrick,
I’m not a religious person, but I don’t think Tony asked anyone to “tell”, “dictate” or demand that “He” do anything. He asked that you say a prayer for this family in their time of need. Surely, there’s no harm in that.
Are you just hung up on always having to “dictate” your point of view?
Nobody said anything negative about Richt today, so lighten up, will ‘ya?
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Then the phrase should have been “keep them in your thoughts” God will not change his mind due to a petition from you. He already knows whats going on and has (millenniums ago) decided whether or not He will or will not do anything for this or that person.

Grand scheme and all.
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“Thoughts” OK. Petitions to an entity not interested in your opinion…Not OK.

Out duty to God is to figure out what He WANTS US TO DO not ask him to do WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO DO.

I am relaxed. This is just a misconception that God cares what you want.
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Its HIS WILL BE DONE not ours.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
1:32 am

correction: “our duty to God”

Miles

May 22nd, 2010
2:22 am

Hey Sulley, your advocacy of a Calvinist agenda is an indication of your inability to think critically.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:53 am

U dont even know what you are talking about…the view I espouse is a Deist view. Not a Calvinist view. Calvin was a protestant that believed in divine intervention. I am a deist that does not

Joe Pa

May 22nd, 2010
7:17 am

Alabama fans are incredibly pompous. A school’s rich football tradition – such as the one at ‘Bama -should be cherished and not brandished as a defense mchanism. Last year means nothing now, and don’t forget ‘Bama was losing – at home – to the likes of Northern Illionois and Louisiana – Monroe only a handful of years ago and the (18) years of pre-Saban mediocrity also easily dismissed as if stricken from the record completly.

Beast from the East

May 22nd, 2010
7:33 am

Patrick,
Now I truly know why you are so enamored with Richt.
Religion!

Steve Spurrier

May 22nd, 2010
8:05 am

An “athletic director like Eric Hyman?” Interesting comment, Tony. USC has greatly improved their facilities and have been operating in the black for years. Forbes ranked them the 12th most valuable college program. Yeah, we don’t have UF or UGA money but your wording on Hyman shows the Bulldog coming out in you, Tony.

Gen Neyland

May 22nd, 2010
9:55 am

Pat Sulley : James 5:14 and,

Not all are healed because it is His ultimate choice. We know that He is compassionate and merciful. He has full authority over all sickness and can choose to heal whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses. We don’t always know all of the answers as to why – just that His ways are higher than ours.

Let’s give it a rest, okay..? To each, their own…

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
10:29 am

‘Whenever He chooses’. Nothing in that indicates anything different that I explained. No where does it say He listens to prayers. As I explained He knows, He can, but its at his discretion not urs. If its part of his plan he will do it. No petitions needed nor taken
What you posted CONFIRMS what I said. Does not contradict.

hind tit

May 22nd, 2010
10:34 am

7-6 gets you fired in the sec, but gets you 4 million on the left coast.

hind tit

May 22nd, 2010
10:59 am

two men ,one on the right one on the left, suffered the same fate as jesus that day, one ask that he remember him when he came into his kingdom, one did not. jesus answered, today you will be with me in paradise. if he hadn’t ask there would have been no reply.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:06 am

“His ultimate choice”. Not ours. That does not differ from what I posted. The creator of the Universe could heal…..never said otherwise. Its merely a matter of ….does it fit in his “grand scheme” not ours.
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“he has full authority” Of course He has full authority…..HE IS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. Still does not say we can influence his authority thru mass prayer.
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Finally, that came from a book (the bible) you quoted was made by man…not God.
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The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers
by God. It has nothing to do with God.
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Compare the man-made origins of Christianity and its various dogmas to the simplicity
of Deism.
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Deism is belief in God based only on reason and the creation itself. It makes no
claim to false “revelations” as all of the “revealed” religions do.
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in addition your quote comes from the New Testament. There are many problems with the NT.
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In order for a scripture to be cannonized:
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(1) it must have apostolic witness
(2) it should not have a contradictory passage to those books that are ALREADY established in its cannonicity — The Law, Psalms and The Prophets (of Judaism)–what we call the OLD TESTAMENT
(3) then objectively the early church patriarchs must “VOTE” on it based on research, reason and faith.
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The apostolic witness? The gospels were written over one hundred years AFTER Christ…no witness.
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The NT contradicts many ESTABLISHED old testament verses.
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The early church leaders did VOTE but under the influence of a pagan ruler named Constantine at the counsel of Nicea (hence the Nicean creed).
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He needed to consolidate his power over his people and figured the best way to do so would be bring all the various pagan beliefs and myriad different Christian beliefs into a single cannon.
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He PAID the church leaders to put aside their differences and come up with a book of scriptures. So this “word of God” was bought by a pagan and voted on like we do a law today. Nothing more.
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Again…God makes his decisions on life and death…sickness and health based on HIS WILL not ours

Gen Neyland

May 22nd, 2010
11:11 am

Yes Sulley, it does say there is power of pray numerous times over…Not trying to contrdict what is beyond our realm of understanding so therefore, I have mine, you have yours. That is in essence what you seem unable to grasp. Don’t attempt to take away my beliefs on religion, politics or football-speak as I’m not trying to sway yours. It ain’t gonna happen…I’m thankful to Mr. CFB for allowing us to take his Friday blogs (and Friday’s blog only) and play with it until Monday…

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:13 am

hind tit
May 22nd, 2010
10:59 am

two men ,one on the right one on the left, suffered the same fate as jesus that day, one ask that he remember him when he came into his kingdom, one did not. jesus answered, today you will be with me in paradise. if he hadn’t ask there would have been no reply.
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and is he in heaven? Did you see him go to heaven with Jesus? Who says Jesus is the son of god? The NT? the church?
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The Old Testament was clear on who the messiah would be…he had to be a son of David. Joseph was a son of David and the NT traced Joesph’s lineage back…..one problem with that…He did not have sex with Mary as Mary was a virgin so NONE of Davids blood was in Jesus. Cant be the messiah without it according to scripture.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:21 am

Gen Neyland
May 22nd, 2010
11:11 am

Yes Sulley, it does say there is power of pray numerous times over…Not trying to contrdict what is beyond our realm of understanding so therefore, I have mine, you have yours. That is in essence what you seem unable to grasp. Don’t attempt to take away my beliefs on religion, politics or football-speak as I’m not trying to sway yours. It ain’t gonna happen…I’m thankful to Mr. CFB for allowing us to take his Friday blogs (and Friday’s blog only) and play with it until Monday…
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“it says”. Define “it”.
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Additionally the power of prayer to understand WHAT HIS WILL IS so you can put 100% effort into doing it.
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I would love to see the part where the bible says you can influence the creator of this universe by prayer.
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I case you have not noticed…I dont take to much stock in the writings of a person or persons who claims to have had communication with the Divine. Kinda seems a bit of a stretch to say the least.
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pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:28 am

A better understanding of prayer….The power of prayer is:
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1. To give thanks
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2. To try to get a better understanding of your role in His plan
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3. Not as a venue for redress or a tool to convince the all mighty that His will is wrong and that He should bend to yours.

BWH Dawg

May 22nd, 2010
11:29 am

m,

Long time, no blog. How has that 30-24 humble pie tasted and don’t forget about 8 of the last 9 little man. Go back in your hole, you little maggot. You and old gold are trolls.

Dawgs will give Fish Fry Johnson and GTU another beating in late November.

Miles

May 22nd, 2010
11:30 am

Sulley, you should stop wasting your time on blogs and begin writing great books of fiction since, after all, all that you have to say is merely contrived. Like John Calvin, you too have a great imagination.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:34 am

Matt: 1-1 traces Joesph’s lineage to David. Not Mary’s. Joesph did not contribute any of his DNA to Jesus and is therefore NOT a son of David.
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“there should arise from the House of David a king, who studies the Torah and occupies himself with the commandments as his father David had, according to the written and oral Torah; and if he forces all Israel to follow the Torah and observe its rules; and if he fights the wars of the Lord—then he must be presumed be the Messiah” (Zeph. 3:9)
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pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:37 am

“there should arise from the House of David a king” (Zeph. 3:9)
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Jesus had none of Josephs DNA and none of Davids DNA hence not from the house of David. Hence not the Messiah…hence not the Son of God …

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:44 am

According to Scripture their are certain steps that a Messiah need take to be a Messiah.
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Ø Restore the throne of David

Ø Rebuild the Temple

Ø Gather the exiles

Ø Restore the Torah

Ø He will be a descendent of David

Ø He does not have to perform signs or wonders

Ø He will be a student of Torah

Ø He will force Israel to study Torah

Ø He will fight the wars of the Lord

Ø Elijah will come before Messiah

Ø The battle of Gog and Magog[6] will precede the day of Messiah

Ø Messiah will purify the priesthood and Levites

Ø Messiah will identify and accept those who are truly of Israel

Ø Messiah will identify the tribes of Israel

Ø In Messiah’s reign there will be no hunger or wars

Ø In Messiah’s reign the chief occupation on the earth will be the study of the Lord.

if these events happen then the person is Messiah.
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Have they?

Forrest Gump is the most famous bama grad

May 22nd, 2010
12:55 pm

tyler has the IQ of Al Gore’s feces.

“We played 1 double A team last year not 3. We played a top 10 VT team. Did Auburn play a top ten out of conference opponent last year? Didn’t think so. We beat 10 bowl teams and 4 top 10 teams. As for beating 10 bowl teams with winning records that is a first in history. Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t change the facts.”

Hey dip$hit, what planet are you on? No one said anything about Auburn 2009. If you were a real educated person, which you’re obviously not, you’d know that Bama 09 and Auburn 04 had very similar numbers. Defense and offense.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 22nd, 2010
12:58 pm

“For the 10,000th time, there was no rule in the BCS in 2007 that said a team had to win their conference to play for the National Title”

No one is talking about 2007.

“As for all the whiny Republicans on this blog: I find it humorous that most of you are anti-government when most of our civil liberties were completely disregarded during the Bush years with the Patriot Act. It’s ironic how you Republicans are anti-big government yet have no problem with government intrusion in regards to issues like abortion. Such BS! As for you mindless threats about 2010, I strongly encourage your party to run better campaigns than ya’ll did in 2008 and 2006 otherwise it will result in another ass kicking for your party.”

Alright, Commiefag, your messiah has an approval rating of 45%. Unemployment is over 10% and democrats are dropping out of races. He’s 0-4 when supporting a democrap candidate. Democrats are even running their own campaign AGAINST him. See Critz (Penn).

Bottom line: It’s gonna be a hard November for the commie democrat party.

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 22nd, 2010
1:00 pm

pat sulley, please go over to Cynthia Tuckers blog and argue with her.

Forrest Gump is the most famous bama grad

May 22nd, 2010
1:03 pm

“Are you going to argue with the unbiased computers which have Bama’s 09 schedule as either 2nd toughest in the country or 8th toughest in terms of strength of schedule? What an imbecile.”

UNBIASED COMPUTERS!!!!!!!! LOLOL!!!!!!!

1: I never said that Bama had a weak SOS. I only mocked you because you said that Auburn 04 played ONE bad team. Bama played SEVERAL bad teams.

The imbecile is you, ma’am.

dan

May 22nd, 2010
1:13 pm

Anyone who votes for Republicans is stupid. Democrats always run the country better and we are all better off for it. President Obama is the greatest president who ever lived. His blackness makes him even bettter because all white people are evil and hate black people. George Bush caused this oil spill and he also caused the plane in India to crash.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
1:23 pm

Hey Obama……. this topic of prayer was started by the author not me. Its a legit respnse. Don’t like it…..don’t read it

The wonderful government of B Hussein Obama

May 22nd, 2010
1:36 pm

“Hey Obama……. this topic of prayer was started by the author not me. Its a legit respnse. Don’t like it…..don’t read it”

Kind of hard not to notice your poorly written drivel when it takes up half of the second page on this blog. Oh, and UGAY sucks.

Love to Read

May 22nd, 2010
1:52 pm

Pat Sulley wrote:
“Matt: 1-1 traces Joesph’s lineage to David. Not Mary’s. Joesph did not contribute any of his DNA to Jesus and is therefore NOT a son of David…
Jesus had none of Josephs DNA and none of Davids DNA hence not from the house of David. Hence not the Messiah…hence not the Son of God …”

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Interestingly, you rely on the book of Matthew to prove a point—that Jesus is not the Son of God. Yet, the very same book (Matthew) a mere 17 verses later states, “His mother was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 1:18)

A good rule of thumb (for everyone) is to read the entire passage/chapter when looking at a particular Scripture. You’ve always got to know the context.
As the old saying goes, “A Prooftext out of Context is a Pretext.”

I understand that you are a Deist, but if you’re going to use the Bible, please don’t MIS-use the Bible—–there’s already enough people doing that already.
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Always use logic and sound scholarship, whether you are a Deist, a Christian, etc.

I apologize if I’ve come across too “preachy”. Hopefully this will give you some food for thought.
Best wishes and happy reading

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

SEnter your comments here

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:12 pm

Misuse the bible…..saying the holy spirit came to her still does not place jesus ‘in the house of david’ it would still not be in compliance with scripture. Nothing was misread by me. Now you on the other hand……
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Not being A son of david….and getting knocked up (so she says) by the holy spirit, is STILL not having josphs DNA and therefore not Davids. It still fails to comply with scripture as he is NOT a ’son of David.

Love to Read

May 22nd, 2010
2:18 pm

Wow.

Didn’t….hear…a …..word.

Good luck, Pat. You really do have my best wishes.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm

Being pledged to be married is not adding DNA.
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NOT HAVING davids DNA kills any chance of his being the messiah
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The holy spirit (even if u bought into that nonsense) does not have Davids dNA.
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Not having Davids DNA kills any chance
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If the holy spirit visiting her nullified that requirement then there would not have been made such an effort in Matt 1.1 to TRACE JOESPS LINEAGE to PROVE he was a son of David

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm

They would have simply skipped Matt 1.1 and would have gone str8 to ‘the holy spirit knocked her up and therefor Jesus is the messiah’ they didn’t. They put Matt 1.1 in.
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No where does it comply with scripture needing Jesus to be the son of David. He was not and isnot

HugoStiglitz

May 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm

Dear god. What happened to this blog. Religious wackos. Political wackos. This is a college football blog. You people are nuts.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:55 pm

Did….not…hear….a….word?. I heard u and I ask again…..how does being knocked up (supposedly) by the holy spirit (convienantly, I might add) add Davids DNA? Why bother to trace Joesphs?
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I suggest to reread it and ask urself those revealing questions

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm

Hugo….did u read the article? Tony opened the door. I just walked thru

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:00 pm

God is God. Jesus, if he existed at all (kinda sounds like Mithra, osiris and krishna repackaged to me) was a man.

DLine

May 22nd, 2010
3:19 pm

I don’t care if it takes an act of Congress to get a playoff, a playoff would be fun, exciting and provide some of the best football matchups around. I can’t even imagine the anticipation of such a system.

Tony C and Tony P, the Disco Boys

May 22nd, 2010
3:21 pm

Hilarious….most illogical Deist ever. I’ll have to point some of my true Deist friends towards this post. They won’t believe me until they see it. House of card arguments and circular reasoning.
Awesome!!!
This just brightened my day!!!

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:22 pm

About the issue of Jesus being “in the house of David.” In the Jewish custom, adoption as a son affords you full heirship to your adopted father’s house. In fact, a common practice among the Hebrews was levirate marriage (a case in which a patriarchal relative marries his brother’s widow to afford the dead man’s estate an heir), and when a levirate marriage occured with an heir in place that son was fully adopted as the new man’s son and the rightful heir. Additionally, if a Hebrew nobleman or his wife were barren it was a custom that he adopt an heir for his household. That heir was afforded full son-ship among that family and was the rightful legal heir to the house. It’s not quite the same as today, which can be different at times.

By virtue of Joseph deciding to adopt Jesus, Jesus would have been in that day considered the firstborn and rightful heir to his house (there were other siblings later).

That said, what you’ll find by observing the text is that Matthew records the lineage of Jesus through Joseph (Jesus’ legal father). And what is stunning is that not only is Jesus legally within the house of David, Luke’s geneology for Jesus – which is through his mother Mary (blood relation) – is also traced through the house of David.

So Jesus is actually “in the house” so to speak, both legally AND biologically. It is a simple realization that a tax collector (Matthew, a man concerned with accounting and the law) would record the legal geneology while the physician (Luke, a man concerned with physical facts and data) would record a biological geneology through the only knwon human ancestor. Luke’s factual record keeping as a respected physician of the time is rarely if ever questioned by scholars.

Hope this helps clear up the two geneologies of Jesus. Very good things to question and look at, in my opinion.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:33 pm

pat, you say “if he existed at all.” Do you mean to ignore that his life’s account was written by eye-witnesses and circulated during the lifetime of other eye-witnesses? From the standpoint of just a historical text (say, in the same way we verify “The Galic Wars” for a source on Julius Caesar) then the events in the Newt Testaments books (especially the gospels, the epistles and Acts) are sounder historical texts than most of Greek literature. The Iliad and the Odyessey, for example, had fewer original munscripts written far further past the death of their source. Surprisingly, the entire life account of President George Washington is tougher to prove by the evidentiary texts on him than is the life of Jesus and the events of the early church.

Worth looking at.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:34 pm

*manuscripts

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

Now its……’yeah but……he was adopted’ no. If that was the excuse then why was it not spoke to in Matt. Seems kinda important to just not address. Hmmm
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Christian know how to spin….I will give ya that.
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The bible goes to great lenghts to explain important issues but failed to mention ‘he is the son of David thru adoption’ leaving it to us to figure it out? No

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:36 pm

As an evdienciary historical text alone, the New Testament is unassailable. You may quibble over facts here and there that lie within, but there are good explanations for all of those. The question is not “Did Jesus exist” nor is it “What things did Jesus do?” The question is “Who is Jesus in relation to me and what ought I to do with that information?”

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:37 pm

Other than the bible and koran point to another document (secular) that give an account of jesus.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

On adoption: they DO mention it! It’s implied by the fact that Joseph didn’t have Mary killed or divorce her in secret but instead RAISED Jesus as a son! Matthew traces his lineage through Joseph, because if he were responsible for collecting taxes from that family (his old profession) then he would’v ecollected from Jesus AS an heir of Joseph due to the clear and understood adoption!

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

Using moby dick as the only referrence to Ahab (?) Proves Ahab existed?

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

other documentaiton of Christ’s life : works of Josephus

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:40 pm

No, Moby Dick is fiction and was not circulated on the pretenxe of fact. The gospels were AND it was during the lifetime of eye-witnesses that could have – but didn’t- disupte them.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:41 pm

* pretense
** dispute

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:42 pm

No….its of such importance in the link….it would have been addressed DIRECTLY.
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Same as Joesphs linage being addressed
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Same as the holy spirit visiting mary.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:46 pm

Also, let me say this. If you were writing to describe a cultural revolution and then later the revolution picks up steam and others need instruction on it, wouldn’t it make sense that your works end up collected with others’ works that describe the revolution? So looking outside the Bible seems like you just want to get more toward lesser-accepted scholarly texts…the most historically veriifiable sources are the ones that ended up cannonized!

City Slickers

May 22nd, 2010
3:47 pm

about Pat:
“He doesn’t get it! He’s never gonna get it! The COWS can program a VCR by now.”

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:48 pm

I am on my droid phone and its painly slow to use this tiiny keypad.
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I will come back in four or five hours when I am at home.
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Josephus?…….LOL.
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UMMMM WHAT????
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Ur funny.
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Census?
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Tax record?
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Property records?
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You know REAL evidence

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:48 pm

Maybe – if it were written today by you. But look at it. It’s the clearest explanantion, and it’s logical. Matthew was comfortable writing in an inferrential manner about Jesus’ adoption as Joseph’s son, so why do you demand 2000 years later that if he wanted you to belive him he should’ve used a term that is oly a big deal in your culture? People back then knew if a kid didn’t look like his dad and wasn’t A) dead or B) abandoned or C) his slave then it was an adopted son. Simple logical inference.

LongGone

May 22nd, 2010
3:51 pm

I personally wanted a college football playoff starting in 1966. Alabama and Georgia had the two best teams in the nation. Alabama went undefeated while allowing 6 opponents zero points. They allowed an average of 3.7 points per game. Georgia lost to Miami by 1 pt in Miami on a Friday night in Miami. They were 9-1 for the season. The bowl system would not allow them to play each other. There was no conference championship game back then and they did not meet in the regular season. Alabama beat Nebraska 34-7 in the Sugar Bowl and Georgia beat SMU 24-7 in the Cotton Bowl. Notre Dame and Michigan State played to their infamous 10-10. The Associated Press and the United Press, the only two polls that counted back then, voted Notre Dame #1, Michigan State #2, Alabama #3, and Georgia #4. The two Southern teams could probably have beaten #1 or #2. The bowl system sucked back then and the bowl system sucks today. What does the BCS prove? It’s still based on opinion. If it takes Congress to set this right, then so be it!

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:54 pm

Cannonized…go back two pages for the answer to that.
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It was cannonized….over 300 years AFTER his death. By a pagan ruler that PAID the church leaders to bring to gether all the books and put in some “records” in and thew some out. It was done by VOTES 300 years AFTER he was supposedlydead. Not real reliable

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:54 pm

I won’t be here that long, but I’ll say this. The New Testament’s historical veracity is unassailable by the usual standards of evidenciary historical texts. The onus, then, is on us. It’s not that the burden of proff is on the texts (since they’re better documented then nearly any texts before the printing press) the burden of belief is on us. The question for eveyone to answer when they encounter evidence of ANYTHING is “what, now, do I do with this information?” When it comes to the life of Jesus, the evidence is clear so the question then is “What do I do with Jesus?”

With that I leave. I posit that Jesus is exactly who he claims he is – the Christ. Do with Him what you will.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
3:56 pm

Matthew didn’t write Matthew. It was written over 100 years after his death.

some help on the point?

May 22nd, 2010
3:57 pm

didn’t see you cannon comeback until now, I won’t explain it as i need to go, but your research on that isn’t even what’s accepted by histroy proffesors. Please do some early church history research through a more reliable source. That account is painfully off the mark and drips of pop media-level “factuality.”

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
4:01 pm

Dude no one believes the bible we have today resembles the text of …say…200 years AD.
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ITS BEEN ALTERED….ADDED TO…TEXT HAS BEEN REMOVED OR REWORDED.
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That’s NOT unassailable.
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The counsil of trent added and removed books….then the counsil of Milan….translations were incorrect or out of context….unassaiable?

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
4:03 pm

I miss spoke….it was NICEA that books were added or removed

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
4:05 pm

My research is from the most reliable source….in order to link it I need to be at home

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
4:20 pm

My ‘remarks drip of’ me trying to debate using a tiny keypad that is difficult to see and harder to use (droid). The comments probably look like a child was typing…..I am doing the best I can with very poor equiptment for a debate

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:28 pm

And yet I don’t follow mythical beings such as Thor, Zues and Christ like the idiot with the blender comment. Why don’t u go sacrifice a lamb or some other dumbasz thing to worship them.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:33 pm

I are not stupid! Mi inteligence level is hier than anone on this blog.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:36 pm

At least I don’t believe some moronic crap about some horned red creature eating souls in some pit of fire….bwahahahahahahaha

Delbert D.

May 22nd, 2010
5:37 pm

patrick – please make your contribution to Wikipedia

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:40 pm

Or maybe u can go fishing for that whale that swallowed Jonah (and yet Jonah lived)

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:42 pm

Or maybe u can get a pillar of fire to lead u to some magic food lying all over some desert

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:44 pm

Or my u could stick a rod that was a snake then a rod again into a river to make it blood

pat sulley is the result of inbreeding

May 22nd, 2010
5:47 pm

Or u could learn how to spell simple words such as YOU.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:48 pm

But a deist versioon is the crazy one…lol

AJC IT guy

May 22nd, 2010
5:49 pm

We have pat sulley’s IP Address and will contacting the GBI very shortly.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:49 pm

I r not a sex offender. I not no what sex is.

Grammar police

May 22nd, 2010
5:50 pm

“versioon”

What is a versioon, pat?

Herschel Walker never won a national championship

May 22nd, 2010
5:51 pm

UGAY is a third rate football program.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:55 pm

Or u coul lear to read…… I already said I was using a doid keypad

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
5:58 pm

Driving and blogging with a droid…..I am im/pressed my spelling is this good

????????????????????????????????????

May 22nd, 2010
5:59 pm

“Or u coul lear to read…… I already said I was using a doid keypad”

????????????????????????

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:01 pm

I stooopid can’t reed right wrds wit mi brain is dumb i stuoopid…..

6 O'clock news

May 22nd, 2010
6:02 pm

“Driving and blogging with a droid”

I hope the cops see you and pull you over. I also hope that you go to prison for driving while stupid.

6 O'clock news

May 22nd, 2010
6:03 pm

“I am im/pressed my spelling is this good”

I’m surprised you haven’t killed anyone in your Pinto.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:04 pm

Or maybe u could remove one of ur ribs and make urself a wife

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:07 pm

Or maybe u could eat from the tree of knowldege and save me a bite

Delbert D.

May 22nd, 2010
6:07 pm

patrick, please call your doctor.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:07 pm

i is gay and cant spel werds cuz i is stoopid

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:08 pm

or maybe i cud git mi ged and quit mi job as a prostatute.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:09 pm

Or maybe u could go up to heaven in a chariot

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:10 pm

or maybee mi pet donkey wil marri mi i is smart and not dumb

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:10 pm

or maybe u cud by mi a new brain i am dumb

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:11 pm

i stoopid and not smart mi sister is my mom and i cant spell cuz i am stoopid

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:12 pm

Or maybe u could split the red sea

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:12 pm

mi droid fone is mi frend cuz i have no frends cuz i am not smart

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:13 pm

mi name is pat and i has no brain. i git my insults frum my teddy bear who talks dirty to mi.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:14 pm

or maybe u could hit me with your car cuz i is not smart

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:14 pm

Or maybe u. Could get snakes to tell u what to do

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:15 pm

or maybe u could help mi git my pet snake out of mi butt cuz mi teddy bear put the snake in mi butt

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:16 pm

uga is a dum team and i hate dem.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:16 pm

mark richt is da dumbest caoch in all of futball.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:17 pm

uga is da losingist team in all of the sec. florida is the bestest ever.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:17 pm

i luv urbin meyer cus he is better than nic sabin.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:18 pm

john rocker is da best pitcher ever cuz mexicans r evil

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:19 pm

i hate whiute people cuz they take land away from the eskimos in rusia

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:20 pm

Or maybe u could walk nekked in a garden with a woman and not realize ur

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
6:43 pm

or maybe u cud give me brain so i’z can be smart and not dum

Anti-alternative

May 22nd, 2010
6:52 pm

What a differnce a day makes! I come back to see if anyone has commented on my ideas about college football and it appears the blog has degraded overnight to the intellectual equivalent of two retarded toddlers slapping each other and screaming…

Tony, please stop leaving these blogs open over the weekend.

pat sulley needs to be banned from this blog

May 22nd, 2010
6:57 pm

PLEASE BAN PAT SULLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anti-alternative

May 22nd, 2010
7:02 pm

Censorship? You want to resort to that?!

How ’bout everybody just calm the crap down and discuss what we came to – college football!

Now I still think it’d be cool if the champion of a non-AQ league like the CUSA or MAC could be admitted for the next season into the nearest (by geography) AQ league like the ACC or Big Ten and the last place team in the AQ league moves down to the non-AQ league for a season. Scheduling would be tough, but what a thing to play for if you’re a Boise or Utah!

freedomdawg

May 22nd, 2010
7:02 pm

Congress should staty the hell out of football. It is one thing that “Obama” sticks his nose where it doesn’t belong, after all he’s the most invasive thing since cudzu, but Orrin Hatch of all preople, with constantly having to counter the “Obama Weed”, should learn from the rude example.
GO DAWGS

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
8:48 pm

Finally, the rest of you can see what a delusional moron Patrick Sulley is.

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
8:49 pm

Pat if you walked naked in the garden with your chihuahua people would recognize it.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
8:51 pm

Ok I am off the droid and maybe I can satisfactorily explain my view and to satisfy Delbert D (the moron that said winning games lead to a good season).
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1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world — on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
8:51 pm

2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH

A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET

Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets — Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father — and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!

C. TORAH OBSERVANCE

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
8:55 pm

Pat, I didn’t know you were jewish?

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
8:56 pm

beware the false prophet

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
8:56 pm

termigator
May 22nd, 2010
8:55 pm

Pat, I didn’t know you were jewish?
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I am not Jewish…not even close

Gen Neyland

May 22nd, 2010
8:56 pm

I think the real Pat Sulley has left the building…but Pat Sulley, if you do return, you are correct that Mr. CFB included asking us to offer up a prayer for Mrs. Beamer. Also Mr. CFB sometimes opens up his Friday blog to many different topics away from and including sports chatter. Please be advised : You’ve had your 15 minutes here. Let it go or try Zoloft, dude. Have a great Sunday and How about them Braves..?

Gen Neyland

May 22nd, 2010
8:57 pm

aaaarrrrrgggggg : IT’S ALIVE..!!!!!!

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
8:58 pm

I dont believe in any of the bible but use the bible to prove that what is in it is false and contradictory.
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Since Christians use parts of the old testament to claim Christ as the messiah I use the rest to show he is not. Has nothing to do with being Jewish

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
8:59 pm

What are you then my friend? Agnostic?

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:02 pm

termigator
May 22nd, 2010
8:59 pm

What are you then my friend? Agnostic?
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Agnostic no…………..

“Agnostic” on its own might suggest that I think God’s existence or non-existence equally likely. In fact, a strict agnostic considers God’s existence no more probable than the Tooth Fairy’s.

I kinda still have some doubts as to the definition of my higher power. I dont think of God as an conscious entity. I will always be searching for the truth and still do not know what that truth is. I kinda believe more that we, as a whole, make up my definition of God. The entire structure of the Universe but not as an individual that makes conscious decisions.
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But I more closely align with Deism

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:03 pm

If there is a God…he is busy with the running of the Universe and gave us the tools to succeed or fail on our own and then left us alone.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:05 pm

We all know religion is used for control.
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one of my favorite quotes……St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: “A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire.”

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
9:08 pm

Brother, if we as Christians or Jews for that matter are wrong, then there will be nothing lost or gained. For you my brother, I hope you come to the proper understanding before you move on IF we as Christians are correct. It is based on faith afterall and heaven would be a pretty boring place without dudes like you. just sayin………..

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:09 pm

Some days I believe there is a conscience God and some I believe it to be the Universe itself. My beliefs are kinda fluid.
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I will not call myself an atheist because it is in principle impossible to prove a negative but I am not sure I am an agnostic either..

Bo

May 22nd, 2010
9:12 pm

Pat et al – Tony simply asked for prayers for the Beamer family. He didn’t ask for a theological debate. Please take yours to a more appropriate venue or if you aren’t a believer, don’t pray for the family.

Anti-alternative – Your proposal is intriguing to me but I think it has as much of a chance of being implemented as a playoff. However, your idea would certainly shut up the whiners in the smaller conferences.

I’d still like a playoff to decide the national champion…even if all we can get is a +1 scenario. Although, an 8 team playoff wouldn’t be that difficult. Just use the 4 BCS bowls as the first round of the playoffs. We could get rid of the additional non-conference game that was added a few years ago and use it after the 4 BCS bowls as a semi-final. Then you have the +1 game to decide the champ.

The BCS bowls get to keep their tie-ins and the college football fan is still able to schedule the game well in advance. The college football fan also gets the added benefit of a legitimate champion EVERY YEAR.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:13 pm

I would like to believe in Christ but I find that through out history the Christ story has been told then repackaged under another name and told again then repackaged under another name and told again. Kinda hard to know which is true.
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First came Osiris…born of a virgin…sent down to help save mankind had 12 disciples.
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Then came Krishna ..born of a virgin…sent down to help save mankind had 12 disciples.
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Then came Mithra….born of a virgin…sent down to help save mankind had 12 disciples.
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Then came christ………..

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:16 pm

Bo..
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.he opened the door..
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.I walked thru…
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dont like the debate???
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See the little x on the top right hand corner of you screen???…
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place the mouse over it and right click and you dont have to see it any more.

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
9:17 pm

Good luck Bro, I hope you find Christ someday. If you do and the rest of us are all wrong, you will still be a better person for it.

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
9:18 pm

Pat I hope you find the correct saviour.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:19 pm

termigator
May 22nd, 2010
9:17 pm

Good luck Bro, I hope you find Christ someday. If you do and the rest of us are all wrong, you will still be a better person for it.
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Thanks….
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and as far as the Christian values…I am all for it. I just dont think you have to believe in fairy tales to live a moral life.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:20 pm

termigator
May 22nd, 2010
9:18 pm

Pat I hope you find the correct saviour.
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I truly believe you mean that sincerely and for that I say thank you. I hope this debate was not offensive…If so I apologize to you for it.

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
9:23 pm

Not offensive at all; and I apologize for the mean things that I have said to you Bro over the months as ga gator.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:24 pm

One last thing I find interesting about Christ coming from Judaism. God is (as believed by the Jews) incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:26 pm

termigator
May 22nd, 2010
9:23 pm

Not offensive at all; and I apologize for the mean things that I have said to you Bro over the months as ga gator.
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Wait a minute……talking trash about a sport or another persons team (even if it gets a little personal) is outside the scope of human interaction in any other way…..I ENJOY the trash talking and DO NOT TAKE IT AND NEVER HAVE TAKEN IT as a personal affront

Anti-alternative

May 22nd, 2010
9:27 pm

Bo, I like your proposal a lot but I see my idea as a good short-term (in the next 5-25 years) stepping stone toward a playoff…or even an alternative (ironic given my handle). My proposal doesn’t mess with the MNC, the polls or the bowls at all. Just kind of allows the conferences to adapt to the hype and garner the rankings bonus. Imagine if two years ago Boise gained admittance into the Pac-10 and went undefeated. Last year would have been them versus Bama or Texas for the MNC. If they lost we never have to hear about it, since they got to play a “big boy” schedule, and if they won, well, they deserved it. I know this system would be easier if the schedules weren’t made up to seven years in advance, but we could adapt. I think it’d work in conjuction with a playoff, though if it had to.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:30 pm

but it is interesting to know you are GaGator. LOL

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
9:35 pm

Alright….good night all.

termigator

May 22nd, 2010
9:35 pm

evening bro.

Anti-alternative

May 22nd, 2010
9:43 pm

Also, imagine some league’s joy at the prospect of getting to cut some of the fat, so to speak. The Big 12 could dump Iowa St, the SEC could toss Vandy out, the Pac-10 could get rid of Wash St, the Big 10 could get rid of Indiana, and the ACC could get rid of Maryland, Virginia or Duke. Now imagine a year in which those teams were instantly replaced by the likes of Utah, Houston, Boise St, Central Michigan, and Troy. Those are all non-AQ league 2009 champions finally getting to play AQ-league schedules. I’d say TV ratings rise as teams near the bottom of AQ conferences now have to play to defend their revenue stream and teams from non-AQ leagues can dream of BCS auto-bids.

Anti-alternative

May 22nd, 2010
9:45 pm

(again, I’d say this realignment system should be for football only, and if they don’t finish iver .500 that first year in their new AQ conference, they should immediately go back from whence they came and the original team be restored)

kgator79

May 22nd, 2010
9:49 pm

truely sad when someone is posting on an article from 10:30am to 9:30pm on a saturday like this Pat Sulley person. Go get some friends or something.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:11 pm

i worship goats and i married a pig. i am teh master wizard at world of warcraft. i am pat sulley! here me roor!!!!!!

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:15 pm

pat sulley needs to be banned from this blog
May 22nd, 2010
11:09 pm

“Since Christians use parts of the old testament to claim Christ as the messiah I use the rest to show he is not. Has nothing to do with being Jewish”

pat sulley, troglodytes like you have tried to prove Christianity wrong for 2000 years.
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and yet it only took me an afternoon to do it.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:23 pm

here I will explain one more time just for you moron.
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Christianity is a direct copy of the Mithraic religion that was 200 years its predecessor for you that means BEFORE Christ).
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You can look in up in the Encyclopedia of World Religions.
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Mithra died for the sins of humanity, had 12 apostles, a last supper and most of the other tenets that Christianity copied. (Hence its fake as it was a direct plagiarism of a pagan religion).
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Also, read Who Wrote the Bible. You must already know that there are over 200 direct contradictions in the New Testament alone.
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Don’t believe a religion just because it is commonly accepted without being researched (except you can continue to believe if you like you seem very limited in intelligence and you seem to lack the ability for abstract thought anyway so just follow along like the sheep you are) .

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:25 pm

“look it up”… I know how you NEED to resort to correcting my spelling since you have NOTHING ELSE so I figured I would correct it for you

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:32 pm

Here is a little more for you. Disproving Christianity is easy…I would not have done so except for your loud mouth
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Mithra was a Persian savior.
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The worship of Mithra became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman civil service and military but had roots in Hinduism and was around 2000 years BEFORE Christ.
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The Mithraism and Christianity were competitors from the time (supposed) of the birth of Christ until the 4th century.
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Mithra believed to have been born on December 25.
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Mithra’s birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi, or – the three wise men. –
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This was celebrated as the, – Dies Natalis Solic Invite. – The Birthday of the Unconquered Son. –
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Many followers believed that Mithra was born of a virgin.
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During his life, Mithra performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. (sound familiar?)
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Mithra celebrated a – - Last Supper with his 12 Disciples (sound familiar?)
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He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21, the first day of spring.

The above story sounds uncannily similar to the story of Jesus, or ISSAH, his real name.
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Except Mithra and his religion took place over two thousand (2000) years earlier than ISSAH, or Jesus,
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Now be the sheep that you are moron and continue to worship a pagan demigod if you like.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:37 pm

Now lets look farther back…shall we?
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One wonders how this pagan religion was introduced to us?
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Mithra and Ahura-Mazda were strong influences on early Babylonian beliefs. Along came the Zoroastrians in the 6th century BC who absorbed Mithra and Ahura-Mazda into their own culture where, – Ahura-Mazda – became the supreme holy God of goodness and – Ahriman – became the God of Evil.
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Soon after this Zoroastrian / Babylonian takeover around 580-BC, the Babylonians were holding the Jews in captivity. The Jews were Henotheists at this time but became heavily influenced by the concept of one god of goodness and one god of evil. FROM THE PERSIANS.

Mithra was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.

Mithra was born of a Virgin through – Immaculate Conception – He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother.

Mithra was born in a stable – We celebrate his birth on December 25th -.

Mithra was visited by wise men bearing gifts.

Mithra had 12 disciples – He was called the Messiah -.

Mithra was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called – - Messiah – - or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.

Mithra made a (Contract) or (Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God – The Persian word Mithra literally means – - Contract. – -

Mithra celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death.

Mithra died to atone for the sins of Man.

Mithra was resurrected on a Sunday.

Mithra ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father.

Mithra will return to pass judgment on Man – He was known as the judger of souls -.

On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithra.

Mithra will send sinners to HELL.

Mithra will send the faithful to HEAVEN.

On judgment day there will be a final conflict between Good and Evil – The forces of Evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever -.

Mithra is part of a Holy Trinity the – (Father, Son, And Holy Spirit) -, that took human form.

Mithra is depicted as having a halo, (a circular band of light around his head).

Mithra followers drink wine and eat bread, which represent his blood and flesh.

Mithra followers are baptized.

Saturday and Sunday, the two (2) days of the week to rest and celebrate.

That is a whole lot of remarkable coincidences, all from thousands of years before ISSAH or Jesus was born.

pat sulley

May 22nd, 2010
11:39 pm

Now I will try to go to bed again….or would you like to insult me again?

Bob

May 22nd, 2010
11:57 pm

1. Noteworthy – Congress needs to fix the damn oli leak!
2. Will not educate you anymore. Twice is enough Tony.
3. Not sure I fully agree with any of these payscales.
4. Yes, I do agree Boise has earned a name. 2010 could be the year.
5. Talk about some bad breaks – both of them. Get well sentiments.

Gen Neyland

May 22nd, 2010
11:58 pm

Pat : You have won the ajc’s Keep Your Fingers On The Keyboard All Day Contest. Never in my 4 years of posting on the ajc sports pages have I seen one so danged determined to wage a viewpoint they didn’t even break for supper or sex. Congrats.

Navigator

May 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm

All I can say is the greedy college president brought this on themselves by creating this monster, when only they wanted a BCS. Either they should have left it like it was for generations with everyone arguing over who was number one, or they should have established a playoff system of at least 8 teams representing the major conferences, with maybe 4 other teams in a play in for the final two berths. Then the all the president’s men and congress goes home.

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
12:05 am

Gen Neyland
May 22nd, 2010
11:58 pm

Pat : You have won the ajc’s Keep Your Fingers On The Keyboard All Day Contest. Never in my 4 years of posting on the ajc sports pages have I seen one so danged determined to wage a viewpoint they didn’t even break for supper or sex. Congrats
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I would be glad to accept that honor except for the fact that almost half of “my” comments were from a doppelganger. You (I am sure) can tell which. The writing style for one…but when do I get the trophy?

poopdawg

May 23rd, 2010
1:08 pm

Nothing less than a 16 team playoff will do in my opinion. No conference champions are guarenteed a spot in the playoff , only the 16 best teams (voted on by limited media and each head coach and 2 player representatives from each school in division 1 of FBS .) Mega conferences will not be good for college football. Go back to 10 games , and quit playing the small school warmup games. If your team does not make the playoff then maybe you will be eligible for a Bowl game.

GoldenDawg

May 23rd, 2010
1:25 pm

Why are we talking about this? We have a girls softball team ranked 6th in the country hosting its regional with a very good chance for a national championship and I don’t see a thing posted about it.

Boise Dawg

May 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

Pretty stupid to keep referencing the 2005 blowout of Boise St. Different players and different coach for that team…ancient history. I would be pretty concerned if they were coming into Athens this year. Boise was a better team than Georgia last year and no reason to believe that won’t be the case this year.

I don’t know what is going to happen in the Va Tech game, but I would be shocked if Boise gets blown out. They are in a lose lose situation with their detractors though. Beat Va Tech and people will say… well it was the ACC. Not many teams would travel two time zones to play a program as good as Va Tech.

Jeff

May 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

I agree Leroy! When is Alabama going to play a non-conference opponent that belongs on their schedule. Three years in a row now they refused to go on the road and play a true “road game”. Anyone could beat Florida State, Clemson, and Va Tech on a nuetral field.Now, they’re bringing these games to Tuscalooser! They play Penn State in the 2nd game of the season. Who is Penn State? Is this their rugby team? Man-up Alabama!

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

What is wrong with this guy Patrick Sulley? He blogged from something like 10:30 in the morning to midnight just arguing to try and win his point. On a Saturday! Do you not have better things to do on a Saturday? Get a life dude. Or better yet get a psychiatrist.

Bama fan

May 23rd, 2010
2:04 pm

Jeff,

In the 2000s Bama has played road games with #1 OU at the time, UCLA and just started a home and home with Penn State. If you think Penn State is a nobody then you need your head examined. PSU is one of the top 10 winningest teams of all time and has had 2 straight 11 win seasons and 3 11 win seasons in the last 5 years. You need your head examined.

Bama fan

May 23rd, 2010
2:07 pm

Jeff,

While I’m at it educating you Virginia Tech is one of only 2 programs to have won 10 or more games the last 6 years in a row the other being Texas. Don’t know who your team is unless you’re a longhorn fan your program has not won 6 in a row. Did you get that head examined yet or is it still planted firmly in your butt?

Gen Neyland

May 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm

GoldenDawg : While softball catches our interest, Men’s tennis should also. Whether we keep going or get knocked out, a bit more coverage on these two sports would be nice.

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm

Observor
May 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

What is wrong with this guy Patrick Sulley? He blogged from something like 10:30 in the morning to midnight just arguing to try and win his point. On a Saturday! Do you not have better things to do on a Saturday? Get a life dude. Or better yet get a psychiatrist.
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or better yet…realize that anyone can come on here and type “pat sulley” in the name box and make moronic comments and it not be pat sulley.
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I came on here saturday morning…made a comment….then for the next 14 hours was on the road working….then cam back. I tell you what….type pat sulley in the name box and make a comment…better yet…I will type your name in and make one to prove a point…ready?

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

What is wrong with this guy Patrick Sulley? Or may be its me? or maybe an alien

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

Or may be its me? or maybe an alien

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

or anyone…..

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
3:12 pm

maybe I think there is not a god….or maybe there is….or maybe there is not

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

now I should ask….Why is this observor guy (who cant spell observer) arguing with his self?

Gen Neyland

May 23rd, 2010
3:15 pm

yeah obsevor learn how to spell moron

Bama fan

May 23rd, 2010
3:15 pm

yeah observor learn how to spell and what did you come on here to do???

Bo

May 23rd, 2010
3:16 pm

yes leave this blog observor if you can spell

Joey

May 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm

whats your deal you non spelling moron? Observor

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm

Get the idea?

pat sulley is an idiot

May 23rd, 2010
4:18 pm

“pat sulley, troglodytes like you have tried to prove Christianity wrong for 2000 years.
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and yet it only took me an afternoon to do it.”

pat sulley is the cynthia mckinny of the ajc college football blog.

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
4:19 pm

bored…no one wants to talk about God?

who dat?

May 23rd, 2010
4:22 pm

“and yet it only took me an afternoon to do it.”

I looked for books authored by pat sulley on amazon yet……there are no books written by pat sulley.

Wonder why that is?

who dat?

May 23rd, 2010
4:23 pm

“bored…no one wants to talk about God?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:5-7

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
4:24 pm

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Greetings and doxology
4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

8″I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
One like a Son of Man
9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,”[b]dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

19″Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels[c] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

Genesis 1

May 23rd, 2010
4:25 pm

Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

yeah what the heck ever!

May 23rd, 2010
4:36 pm

no one cares

yeah what the heck ever!

May 23rd, 2010
4:37 pm

who dat…..you quoted a verse from a book written 350 years AFTER christ was supposedly alive….hardly a reliable source.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm

Genesis 1
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Once it is proven to our God-given ability to reason that the Bible is strictly a man-made collection of mythology the mind loses yet another shackle of “revelation” and is soon on its way to full freedom and progress.
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The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.
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the Roman Emperor Constantine (who
was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity) needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire.
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Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered “holy” and thus “the word of God” and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

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Using this “book” as proof of your God is meaningless

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm

Constantine used what motivates many to action – MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God.
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The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the “word of God” into existence.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm

the Council of Nicaea marks the definite entry upon the stage of human affairs of the Christian Church and of Christianity as it is generally understood in the world to-day.
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It marks the exact definition of Christian teaching by the Nicene creed.”
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Constantine ordered and financed 50 parchment copies of the new “holy
scriptures.”
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It seems with the financial element added to the picture, the Church
fathers were able to overcome their differences and finally agree which “holy” books would stay and which would go. Bridery started this holy book it seems. LOL Yes clearly holy and clearly reliable.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
5:01 pm

The study of theology,
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as it stands in the Christian churches,
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is the study of nothing;
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it is founded on nothing;
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it rests on no principles;
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it proceeds by no authorities;
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it has no data;
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it can demonstrate nothing;
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and it admits of no conclusion.
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Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded;
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and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
5:06 pm

to continue your argument using a book bought and paid for by a pagan ruler as your ONLY reference of truth carries ZERO CREDIBILITY.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
5:10 pm

OOPS..I did make one mistake…the vote took place at the council of Trent not Nicea.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
5:12 pm

So it seems the real approving editor of the Bible was not God but Constantine!
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Therefore, one can easily argue that the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use.
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Yes definately the “word of God”.

yeah what the heck ever! aka pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
5:21 pm

We can know God only through His works not by the bible where the individual books are always controverted and the authenticity of which is disproved.
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We cannot have a conception of any one attribute but by following some principle that leads to it.
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We have only a confused idea of His power, if we have not the means of comprehending something of its immensity.
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We can have no idea of His wisdom, but by knowing the order and manner in which it acts.
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The principles of science (not sticking ones head in the sand reading non sense) lead to this knowledge; for the Creator of man is the Creator of science, and it is through that medium that man can see God, as it were, face to face.

Flo-Ri-Duh!

May 23rd, 2010
6:32 pm

Obviously Lame Kitten is very good at spotting a sucker and taking advantage of his opportunities. That is a talent in itself if you don’t have a conscious. Some day he will be shot down and this may be the year.

Who Dat?

May 23rd, 2010
7:09 pm

Enter your comments here

Who Dat?

May 23rd, 2010
7:10 pm

“who dat…..you quoted a verse from a book written 350 years AFTER christ was supposedly alive….hardly a reliable source.”

Your opinion, ma’am. I’ve debated people with ten times the intelligence level as you have. If people like Dawkins, Hitchens and Maher can’t dispel Christianity, a little twit like you can’t.

I can’t seem to find any books written by pat sulley. Wonder why? LOL

pat sulley is a sad little girl who can't spell, let alone disprove the existence of God.

May 23rd, 2010
7:11 pm

:( = pat sulley

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
7:13 pm

“to continue your argument using a book bought and paid for by a pagan ruler as your ONLY reference of truth carries ZERO CREDIBILITY.”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:6

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
7:13 pm

“OOPS..I did make one mistake”

OOPS..I am a mistake

FYT, ma’am

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
7:15 pm

“no one cares”

Obviously you do, ma’am. You’ve spent two full days spewing hate and anger.

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
7:16 pm

“Using this “book” as proof of your God is meaningless”

God is dead – Niche

Niche is dead – GOD

Keep on spewing hate, pat. God will be around long after you die.

pat sulley's dad

May 23rd, 2010
7:18 pm

Typo fix for my 7:16

It should read Nische.

pat sulley's must be a communist

May 23rd, 2010
7:20 pm

pat

Are you a communist? Also, if you don’t believe in an existence of God or morals, what is stopping you from going out and killing people? If you believe in evolution then you therefore have no sense of morals. You could go out and kill anyone at will.

I’ll look for you on the evening news.

Observor

May 23rd, 2010
9:44 pm

The worst thing that ever happened to this blog was when Patrick Sulley discovered it. Now this clown spends all hours of the days ranting and raving whether it be to defend Mark Richt or to debate religion. Get a life you azzclown of an idiot. The purpose of the blog is for people to make occasional comments and discuss college football and sometimes on Fridays to talk about anything. Its not for people to abuse by going off on a day long soapbox to voice their opinions for the simple fact that no one in that person’s life respects them enough to listen to their BS. You are singlehandedly ruining Tony’s wonderful football blog.

[...] It’s a showdown: Congress vs. BCS. [...]

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
11:30 pm

observor….learn how to spell observer. twit
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I have read Nische….He is German…what do you expect

pat sulley

May 23rd, 2010
11:31 pm

and enlightening someone is not spewing hate..If you bother to read I am pointing you away from a false prophet…you should thank me.

pat sulley's must be a communist

May 23rd, 2010
11:35 pm

“and enlightening someone is not spewing hate..If you bother to read I am pointing you away from a false prophet…you should thank me.”

pat sulley is a demon.

pat sulley's must be a communist

May 23rd, 2010
11:36 pm

“I have read Nische….He is German…what do you expect”

Just what I expected. You’re a communist idiot who can’t spell.

Paddy

May 24th, 2010
8:26 am

Pat Sully….your are not old school! You are NO school!

Paddy

May 24th, 2010
8:39 am

Jeff and Leroy…I must disagree. I don’t like either Alabama or Saben. But they did the correct thing by scheduling Georgia State. With that one game, Ga St can pay many bills and upgrade thier young program to be more competitive in Div I-AA. Plus he did a favor for an old time friend in Curry. Can’t see much wrong in that fine gesture. It is not like it is going to be a home and home situation or ever repeated in the near future.

pat sulley

May 24th, 2010
9:06 pm

“pat sulley must be a communist”
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Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices with the intent that invoked fear based on fearmongering tactics will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to denounce”
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Lets stick to debates not name calling

ObjectiveOrville

May 25th, 2010
1:05 pm

The SEC should keep scheduling Boise St. to remind the nation of rank. Remember when national champion-hopeful BSU played UGA? Heisman-hopeful candidate Zabranski (spelling?) was powerless. He was pulled at halftime…38-0.

BSU is 0-4 against the SEC.

Having said that, BSU became a DIV-1 program in 1996. They will get better. Their willingness to take on tough OOC opponents is good. They can not help the fact that they are a 14-year-old program. The WAC was the best conference they could achieve. Hopefully they will be absorbed by a larger conference soon. They are certainly better than some of the bottom-feeders in these AQ conferences.

As far as the BCS goes, it must be dissolved. All DIV-1 schools in the NCAA may be part of a committee, but their powers must be checked. There IS a way to get money out of the play-offs. The prestigious Bowl Games will be ended – finally.

Sam

June 1st, 2010
4:30 pm

Tony, everyone knows you’re a SEC BCS homer, but the system is fundimentally unfair.
Lest people forget, the BCS AQ system is made up mostly of TAXPAYER supported schools. This means, as long as Congress is paying funds to the universities from the treasury, they have oversight.
Now, if the BCS AQ universities want to take their ball and go home, fine. It’ll just be without taxpayer funds. Then, you can be that semi-professional league you aspire to be.