If the SEC asked, would/should Georgia Tech say yes?

Not long after the conference expansion issue really started to heat up, I found myself in a charity golf foursome with a couple of Georgia Tech guys. We were waiting to hit, so I just asked them point blank:

“If Georgia Tech got an invitation to leave the ACC and join the SEC, would you vote to go?”

Response No. 1:  “In a New York minute.”

Response No. 2: “Can we go today?”

Now look, Georgia Tech has had a very good football home in the ACC since 1983. It is the defending ACC champions.  And the situation got a lot better on Monday when the ACC landed a very good television deal with ABC/ESPN that will pay the league $155 million per year. In this economy, the ACC essentially doubled their money from the previous contract and that is quite an accomplishment. A number of people (this writer included) thought that the numbers might be lower so give the ACC kudos for getting that deal done.

Having said all that, there are two questions we will ponder today:

How/Why does Georgia Tech get on the SEC’s radar?

Why would/should Georgia Tech even consider leaving the ACC?

First, some history: Georgia Tech was a charter member of the Southeastern Conference in 1933 and remained in the league through the 1963 season, when the school withdrew and became a Southern Independent. We won’t debate the reasons why or the wisdom of Georgia Tech’s move. The fact is that Tech was a member of the SEC for 31 years.

People of a certain age will remember going to Grant Field and watching Georgia Tech, as a member of the SEC, play in some of the best rivalries in all of college football. The Georgia rivalry you know about, but did you know:

That Georgia Tech and Auburn have played 92 times? Tech first played Auburn in 1892 and from 1904 to 1987 the schools met every year but two (1905, 1943).

That even after it left the SEC, Georgia Tech also kept playing Tennessee? Between 1964 and 1987 Georgia Tech and Tennessee met every year but three (1974, 1975, 1978).

That there was no fiercer rivalry in the 1960s than the one between Alabama and Georgia Tech? Bear Bryant and Bobby Dodd were friends until the 1961 game, when Tech’s Chick Graning received a blow to the head from Alabama’s Darwin Holt. It broke Graning’s jaw and nose and put him in the hospital. The episode touched off a war of words between newspapers in the two states and drove a wedge between Bryant and Dodd. A year later Alabama came to Grant Field with an 8-0 record and ranked No. 1. Georgia Tech handed Alabama its only loss that season, 7-6. After the 1964 game the two teams did not play again until 1979. They played six straight years until 1984 and have not played since. They were scheduled for a two-game series in 2013 and 2014 but those games have now been postponed.

The point is that Georgia Tech has a lot of history with the current members of the SEC.

Here is how Georgia Tech could get an invitation from the SEC: If the Big Ten expands to 16 teams and exponentially increases its revenue (now at about $22 million per team), the SEC, which pays about $17 million per team, will have a decision to make. If the SEC decides that it must expand as well, some teams from the ACC could come into play if the SEC wants to strengthen its Southeastern footprint.

Whether or not the SEC would extend an invitation to Georgia Tech is a matter of some debate. The argument could be made that with the University of Georgia, the SEC already controls the state’s market place. But the same argument could be made about Clemson (because of South Carolina) and Florida State (because of Florida).

Why Georgia Tech would say yes:

1)      More money. Georgia Tech needs it. Even with the ACC’s new contract, there will be about a $4 million gap in shared revenue per team. If the SEC expands, that gap could grow.

2)      Easier scheduling. If Georgia becomes a conference game, then Tech has another non-conference game to play with. That would guarantee at least seven home games a season. That is also more money.

3)      Better attendance: Bobby Dodd Stadium holds 55,000. With Paul Johnson in place, attendance is picking up as over 50,000 turned out for five of six games last season. The year before (2008) only one game drew over 50,000 (Florida State). But what if Georgia Tech were placed in an SEC division that included Clemson, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, South Carolina and Tennessee? How great would the demand for tickets be? How much more would people pay just for the right to buy them? More money.

Why Georgia Tech would say no:

1)      The school has 27 years invested in the ACC. It has become a good fit for the Institute, both philosophically and academically.

2)      Winning the ACC football championship is hard. Winning the SEC is harder. That’s just a fact. Writer Rick Bragg once said that every SEC game “is like a knife fight in a ditch.”

3)      You can’t go back. As much as the old guard romanticizes about good old days the fact remains that it’s been 47 years since Tech left the SEC and the world has really changed.

So if you’re a Georgia Tech fan and you got a vote, would you vote to go back to the SEC if the invitation came? Or do you think the ACC is still the best place for the Yellow Jackets?

If you’re an SEC fan, would you like to see Georgia Tech come back?

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Jay the Wise

May 18th, 2010
4:44 pm

I love the GT bashing about how they couldn’t hang in the SEC. What you UGA morons don’t realize is that if GT goes to the SEC then that kills UGA program in 4-6 years. Why the hell would an athlete want to spend 4 years ‘rural’ Athens Georgia anymore when the can get SEC prestige in the city. And a better education…(for the athletes that do care about those things). UGA would become just another low rung on the SEC ladder in a matter of years.

Tailgating

May 18th, 2010
4:44 pm

Bill, you must not have been to Tech in the last 20 years. GT’s soroities are HUGE and most of those ladies look gorgeous. Now, granted, there aren’t AS MANY of them as at other places, but they are there on gameday in all their sundressin’ glory.

Bama2010

May 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

These are the facts:

9 out of 10 uga grads deliver pizza for a living
7 out of 10 residents of Athens are crack addicts
10 out of 10 uga football players have criminal records.

Otto

May 18th, 2010
4:58 pm

Scott, TCU? I doubt it. The SEC will look at BCS schools first.

GT tailgating, It is nothing compared to Ole Miss, LSU, UT, Auburn etc. Sadly Adams has greatly damaged tailgating in Athens. Yes I have been to the schools listed as well as GT for games in the past 2 years.

Volunteer Nation

May 18th, 2010
4:58 pm

These are the facts:

10 out of 10 bammers have slept with their sister

CrackDaddy

May 18th, 2010
4:59 pm

Now why would the SEC not want to add Duke (elite academics and bb, football is getting better. As good now as at least 3 SEC teams), UNC (elite academics and bb, football program headed toward top echelon), UVa (elite academics; fb and bb have been very good at times throughout the years, and could be good, just like UNC; same footprint). Now these teams would add something to the SEC. Or does the SEC just want to (further) dumb down?

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:00 pm

Tailgating, same goes for the female department. I would rank LSU 1st in the school I’ve been to. Yes I have also been to a GT frat in the past 20 years.

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

Irony… A Vol fan cracking on a Bama fan about incest.

Hey Dogtards

May 18th, 2010
5:04 pm

“Please tell me what Nesbitt’s injury or officiating had to do with Caleb King blazing past me for his 75-yard untouched TD scamper en route to UGA’s 30-24 victory?”

I’d say that had a lot more to do with how bad our defense played that game than Caleb King. We held much better rushers (Ryan Williams) in check in much bigger games. Just played flat against uga last year, and uga capitalized like any decent/good team would.

Doesn’t change the fact that, as a whole, GT was a better team than uga last season. I’m not saying GT has a better program, or more fans, or anything like that. Last year, GT was clearly the better team.

CatsFly

May 18th, 2010
5:10 pm

If Tech joins the ACC, it will then compete w/Vandy for top academic school in conference.

SILLY UGA FANS

May 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

I have no problem with GT going to the SEC, but agree with some other fans in the fact that ACC teams are on the rise, GT, VT, UM, FSU, UNC, and Clemson are all making strides in improving their respective programs. If we went to the SEC though I believe GT would HAVE to offer some liberal art degrees. Let’s face facts some student athletes are just not going to make it or be accepted to GT, this is a fact not bragging. There was a study I believe after Fla. won the national championship and over half of the players could not even attend GT due to SAT scores and other factors. This includes several other schools as well not just GT. I believe CPJ is doing a great job and recruiting is looking up, but GT will never have the recruiting classes that several SEC teams average each year. Sure a bunch of those 5star recruits never amount to much due to coaching, but imagine what CPJ and his staff could do with several 5star players each year compared with the 2-3star players we have now with the occasional 4 and 5.

GT GRAD

May 18th, 2010
5:17 pm

No.

ACC future is bright in football, basketball, baseball, golf and several other sports.

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

Yes, GT was so much better Miss. St nearly put 500 yards of offense on GT.

Or maybe it was an easy schedule.

Tailgating

May 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

Otto, no one approaches tailgating at those schools. They are hands-down the best in the country in terms of atmosphere (I give it Ole Miss, personally). And I wasn’t trying to rank GT as better than anyone else in terms of tailgating or women. My points were that A) its not some all-male dump where tailgating, parties, and fine ladies are non-existent and B) the SEC would upgrade Tech’s tailgating product and offer the other schools’ experiences back to Tech fans who’d love to make those part of the weekend tradition. It’s my opinion that after 5 years back in the SEC, a LOT would be better at GT including gameday atmosphere, facilities, recruiting, fanbase, and maybe even student population. Wins would come as the program adjusts.

KJ

May 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

“As a Kentucky fan I would love to add another beatable Georgia school. Let’s add Georgia State while we’re at it. Don’t laugh Dogs fans we gotcha 2 out of 4 (and very nearly 3 out of 4).”

2 out of 4 huh? What about the umpteen years before that? Don’t want to talk about that, huh?

Stick to basketball, hillbilly retard.

Tailgating

May 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

Silly Uga Fans, we DO offer liberal arts degrees! Some of ‘em are ranked higher than UGA’s. They’re just small for now.

If you mean easy majors, forget it. Even the liberal arts programs are research-oriented.

sec west

May 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

My gawd, how many stupid dawgs are there out there? it’s just amazing to see the stupidity on display on this blog. i for one would welcome gt into the sec as long as they brought clemson and fsu along with them. and why not go after texas (or do we have too many burnt orange t’s around here already)?

GTechie

May 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Keep in mind that Ga Tech’s undergraduate student body is below 14,000 students. That, along with the high academic standards and a very large number of international students (many of which honestly don’t know anything about American Football), is why Ga Tech isn’t comparable to an SEC “powerhouse”. It is one of the top academic institutions in the country. GT is situated in the middle of a large city, which hinders campus growth if future expansion was to be a goal. GT will never be the size of UGA, and I’m glad…I am proud to be able to say that my alma mater is able maintain high academic standards, diversity, as well as a decent football program.

We don’t need to be the best, considering all variables, we top most SEC schools in well-roundedness, hands down. People just need to think about this with an accurate perspective, GT is a small school that has managed to build a very impressive program, even with certain odds stacked against them (student body make-up, limited space for expansion, academic standards, recruits having to choose between a challenging ACC school or a popular SEC school). I grew up as a UGA fan…so I’ve been on both sides. It’s like comparing apples and oranges…though, I prefer oranges.

Essobee

May 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

I’m one of the old guard who remembers the great annual rivalry of Georgia Tech against Auburn,
Alabama and Tennessee for SEC domination. Historic Grant Field was the best ticket around on a Saturday and the 60,000 seat stadium was filled at at time when Atlanta was relatively small. But those days are fourth and long gone. Tech has become quite comfortable in the ACC where the term scholar athlete is for real. But if Miami, Clemson, and FSU go to the SEC, I would like to see Tech in the SEC where it would once again become quite comfortable. Now the Big Ten…that is a very intriguing idea.

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:38 pm

Tailgating, The SEC’s flood of visiting fans would put further limitations and the currently restricted parking and tailgating situation on the GT Campus.

GT isn’t all male but there is a reason why TBS has an alternate meaning on the GT campus.

StraightJacket

May 18th, 2010
5:42 pm

To those of you citing the geographic “footprint” argument, I believe your argument is half-right at best, and more likely, just backwards thinking.

Ever looked at one of those “regional telecast maps” and the football TV schedule on a Saturday in GA, SC, or north FL? It looks NOTHING like the ones for TN, AL, MS, LA, AR, etc.

Why?

Because the SEC has a “monopoly” in those states, THAT’s why! For those of you not aware, if the SEC were to gain “monopolies” in GA, SC, and FL, the advertisers on ACC programming for basketball (a big deal in the ACC) AND football would suddenly be thrust into a “supply-demand” situation for airtime. In other words, all those ACC advertiser dollars spent in GA and SC now would be spent in SEC monopoly states – JUST LIKE AL, MS, LA, TN, etc. etc.

I would further argue that the “tight” geography would improve rivalries, not only in football, but many other sports as well. As for adding Atlanta to the mix: GT is something like number 9 among schools with living alumni in the Atlanta area. Those above GT include SEC (and Big 10) schools. Budgets and scheduling are also issues for non-revenue sports, and while that doesn’t matter to us football fans, you can bet that University Presidents and A.D.’s give it at least SOME attention.

As a GT fan, the only downside I see to joining the SEC is that …. Ugag fans are there. However, since we play them every year anyway, I guess we can put up with them like we do VPI&SU now. Joining either the SEC or the Big 10 is fine by me; for that matter, I like the ACC as it is, BUT … if Clemson & FSU go, the ACC is the LAST place I’d want to be! -SJ

SILLY UGA FANS

May 18th, 2010
5:49 pm

thats for catching my typo and correcting me. That should have said HAVE to expand the liberal art degrees. I know it won’t happen but it needs to if GT wants to compete for recruits.

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:52 pm

StraightJacket very fair post. I think I mentioned in here adding FSU and Miami could held by for the most part loocking down Florida. UF has been rumored to have major objections to Miami. I don’t know how true that it. Miami also has a large national draw.

Atlanta would not be a lock with GT due to the transplant population. I would argue that GT or Clemson would not change the SEC TV contract exposure by any substantial swing in the Atlanta market or nation wide.

Tide Rising’s 16 team model I would think is the dream for Slive if the shift to a 16 team conf. takes place. A 14 team conf would be much more political.

ALL BLOGGERS ARE LOSERS IN LIFE

May 18th, 2010
5:53 pm

GT4life

May 18th, 2010
8:46 am
I’m in. We need to be back where we belong. If for no other reason than to finally put an end to the whole “Tech couldn’t be successful in the SEC”.

……..and prove it to be true!!!!!!

Otto

May 18th, 2010
5:53 pm

*typo Miami could help by

Hit the submit button by accident

Your mom at my house

May 18th, 2010
5:56 pm

Wow tech fans are morons. You can’t beat UGA that can’t beat Florida, but somehow you are going to beat Florida.

Stick to what you know: losing to UGA every year and beat WF and Duke.

kgator79

May 18th, 2010
6:00 pm

Tech Fan…..Dont worry Florida will be just fine despite the gloom and doom that many think UF’s lineup is still quite experienced.

Offense:

QB: John Brantley (Redshirt Junior) HS Gatoraid player of the year ‘06.
HB: Jeff Demps (Junior) 1,350 yards 14 TDs career. played in National title and 2 SEC championship games
TE: Jordan Reed (Redshirt Freshman)
LT: Xavier Nixon (Sophomore) Returning Starter
LG: Carl Johnson (Senior) 3 year starter
C: Mike Pouncey (Senior) 2 year starter
RG: James Wilson (Junior) has started in 8 games including ‘08 SEC title game.
RT: Marcus Gilbert (Senior) returning starter
WR: Deonte Thompson (Redshirt Junior) Returning starter
WR: Carl Moore (Senior) Starter begining of ‘08 season
WR: Andre Debose (Redshirt Freshman) Looks like Harvin running the ball.

Defense:

DE: William Green (Junior) Has 6 starts including last year SEC title game. In ‘08 recorded a combined 14 tackles between SEC title and Nat. championship game.
DT: Omar Hunter (Redshirt sophomore) Returning starter
DT: Lawerence Marsh (Senior) Returning Starter
DE: Justin Trattou (Senior) Has started in 12 games. Significant action in both SEC title games and ‘08 National title game. Or better remembered as the guy who made the INT last year on S.Carolina returning it 55 yards.
OLB: Brandon Hicks (Senior) Consistant contributor last two seasons including 10 tackles in national championship game.
MLB: Jonathan Bostic (Sophomore)
OLB: AJ Jones (Senior) 2 year starter
CB: Jenoris Jenkins (Junior) 2 year starter
CB: Joshua Shaw (Freshman)
SS: Ahmad Black (Senior) 2 year starter
FS: Will Hill (Junior) 2 year starter

K: Caleb Sturgis (Junior) Returning starter
P: Chas Henry (Senior) 3 year starter

10 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 3 Sophomores, 3 Freshman. 18 out of 24 starters upperclassmen and 20 out of 24 who have either started or played significant minutes.

Dostoyevskiy

May 18th, 2010
6:19 pm

Why DO SEC want to further dumb down the conference by adding FSU and Clemson?
I guess misery loves company. Good post CrackDaddy.

SILLY UGA FANS

May 18th, 2010
6:29 pm

Wow tech fans are morons. You can’t beat UGA that can’t beat Florida, but somehow you are going to beat Florida.

Stick to what you know: losing to UGA every year and beat WF and Duke.

your mom at my house,
EACH and EVERY year would mean your beloved preseason #1 puppies would not have lost in 08. Plus don’t forget before Gailey came to GT we had a three game streak on you. The Gailey years are over and the rivalry should get better with streaks far and few between. Not going to reply to the first line because it makes no sense.

Beast from the East

May 18th, 2010
6:37 pm

Holy mackerel, almost 600 comments. Haven’t read ‘em as I’m sure it’s just a bunch of hatred between Tech and UGA. If I was Tech, I would go if invited. While they might seem like the better fit right now in the ACC, let’s face it…..the ACC’s future is more uncertain than the SEC’s is. As a fan of a team already in the conference, I say let’s just wait to see what happens before we invite any other programs. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

Preston

May 18th, 2010
6:42 pm

aubieone, you made me laugh out loud for real with that 2:51 post!!! I’m still laughing!!! “the gumps”……LMFAO!!! Awesome stuff there. I’ll be stealing that one for sure. Thanks.

NCAA Football Rules!

May 18th, 2010
6:58 pm

I would vote yes, yes, and then yes again. Indeed to show I indeed go back a ways…I would perform a Louisiana voting tradition and have my dead relatives casting a vote as well. :o )

All of the reasons you mentioned are true but as a football fanatic…I also travel by RV to many of Tech’s away games and the games at SEC stadiums is like visiting old friends! The Auburn games a couple of years ago, the MSU game last year and even the Vandy game last year were loads of fun to attend. Going to Duke, Wake, NC State or even UNC, UVA, UMary, or UMia are just not the same!!! The Miami game last year had like 30,000 fans in attendance. Say what you will about Tech’s attendance but we still nearly double the gate of Miami in actual fannies in the seats. UGA should also be for Tech since that would free up yet another OOC game for them as well. I doubt we would challenge UGA or UF on a yearly basis and would probably be more like South Carolina that wins 7 to 8 games per year…but it sure would be fun!

Reptiles Rule

May 18th, 2010
7:16 pm

kgator79…you summed it up well. Only 1 position really really concerns me, the corner opposite Jenkins. A veteran O Line and D Line with plenty of depth bodes well. Everyone outside of Gainesville was so fixated on Tebow that you’d think we had no veteran proven players coming back at all. Boy, are they in for a surprise!! Last year became a grind but I have a feeling this year’s gonna be alot more fun…even if with an additional loss or two. Still will be Atlanta bound with another shot at Bama, that’s all you can ask for!

Tebow's Ghost

May 18th, 2010
7:23 pm

I WAS the offense last year, Reptiles Rule. I called a play in the huddle. Look to the sidelines for the adjustment. Faked a hand off and then ran. I’d mix in a shuffle pass and a jump pass to pad my completion stats, but mostly I’d look for a corner to run over. You’ll miss me, even in Tampa, FL.

college football

May 18th, 2010
7:25 pm

ga tech is not worthy of being a member of the SEC

Damian

May 18th, 2010
7:29 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GT has a football program

Reptiles Rule

May 18th, 2010
7:47 pm

Yes, we will miss you Tim. Just like we missed Danny. But somehow, we’ll carry on.

Dana

May 18th, 2010
8:04 pm

stay in the acc

GT girl

May 18th, 2010
8:15 pm

Tony Barnhart, I know you want this to go your way but what you failed to mention is that you have an eyebrow raised at the number of teams in the ACC preranked in SI’s top 25 with 4 of them in the Coastal Division, the toughest division heading into 2010. That is what this is all about, ACC Coastal going to steal your thunder in the SEC East. If GT can beat these opponents on the road, they have a very good shot at being in the top 5. You know it, I know it and the American people know it except for the SEC East crowd aka Athens which would never accept it which includes you. I like CPJ’s chances. CPJ said repeatedly he came to GT to win a National title and he is not done. Let’ wait and see what happens in 2010 and go from there. Tony, the SEC may bring in more revenue but ACC football is getting more popular and I like playing these people. It tickles me that Miami and Clemson have yet to win an ACC champinship since the two divisions started and who would have bet money on that? Not you or UGA. I am very thankful that the ACC Powers to be do not listen to you nor do you have the authority to change anything. I would love to see the top 2 teams in both divisions and conferences play a post game playoff in some sort if DIV I doesn’t come up with a playoff system. Or maybe the two top teams of both conferences could come up with a contract to take out 2 sisters of the poor and replace them with each other the following season. If your going to play 12 games, then play 12 solid teams. What does it benefit to play the Charleston Southerns or the Ga States of the world? Texas had plenty of time before the National Championship game and they still lost their QB regardless so I do not want to hear how everyone is beat up and needs to heal. Got to say, I liked it when GT played Notre Dame a couple of years ago and would rather see them play them or someome like that as well.

SC DAWGS

May 18th, 2010
8:16 pm

GT can’t even sell out a 55,000 seat stadium-they don’t deserve to be an SEC team.

Reptillicide

May 18th, 2010
8:23 pm

Tony, your headline is completely ass-backwards. The question is not “If the SEC asked…” the question is “WOULD the SEC ask.”

Dan Radokovich is going to have to send flowers and chocolates, crawl on his knees and beg to Mike Slive and every other SEC conference AD to try and plead his case. GT holds little value to the SEC. Their fan base doesn’t travel, they don’t spark much interest outside of Atlanta, it’s a TV market that the SEC already has a lock on with UGA, and they would hurt our perceived conference strength.

Georgia Tech fan wants absolutely no part of the SEC.

DC Jacket

May 18th, 2010
8:23 pm

I agree with the earlier comment that the SEC does not strengthen it’s footprint in Ga by adding Tech, as the state fan base disproportionally supports UGAly already. Here’s the deal.

1) Miami, VT, and FSU did not join the ACC to improve their football status. They joined to get a piece of that ACC basketball action. Though smaller in revenue, it is significant in itself. While UF had a dominant NC run, the last time I checked the National Championship in basketball is running back through the ACC again.
2) If there are conferences ripe to plunder in expansion, it is those w/o a championship game – most notably the Big East & Mountain West.
3) John Swofford is somehow a genius, getting 2X as much money for the conference in a new TV deal and also being an architect of the BCS. He will not hesitate to invite more Big East teams if the Big 10 makes a move.

I can live with the ACC as a whole being called sub-par to the SEC, because it felt good to waltz into Starkville and slap MSU in the face, but I cannot stand losing to UGA and their obnoxious fan base that equates a six point win to a “beat down.”

THWG!!

Why TECH left

May 18th, 2010
8:34 pm

Tony: “We won’t debate the reasons why or the wisdom of Georgia Tech’s move.”

Why: SEC was (is) associated with widespread cheating, over-recruitment of players who were subsequently cut (some things never change), academic ignorance (ditto), and lack of racial integration (this still holds true) These were the reasons why TECH left the SEC.

The Wisdom: 40 years after leaving the SEC, TECH is now a top ten public university, research powerhouse, AAU member, technology incubator, and makes double the money in academic research ($525 million) per year than all twelve SEC schools combined in athletics ($205 million) per year. TECH also leads the nation in awarding engineering degrees to African American and Hispanic students, is one of the ‘greenest’ campuses in the country, and is known worldwide for academic excellence….

bottom line: joining the SEC would only devalue our degrees.

Long live the ACC! and Tony, your sad attempts at stirring the pot are getting a bit old.

Hal Bennett

May 18th, 2010
8:41 pm

Bobby Dodd left the SEC because Bear Bryant beat him six out of seven times between 1958 and 1964. That 7-6 win at Grant Field in 1962 was the only point Dodd got over Bryant in those seven years — that’s right — one point. I probably would have left too.

The real “wedge” was between Furman Bisher and Bryant. Bryant never forgave Bisher for the POST article after the Graning incident or for the second POST article, which was written not by Bisher but by Frank Graham, Jr., claiming that Bryant and Butts fixed the ‘62 Georgia-Alabama game. BISHER never forgave Bryant for an incident in about 1965, in which Bryant made Bisher sit outside his (Bryant’s) office in Tuscaloosa and never letting him inside. The two men kept the matter alive for decades, even to the point of Bisher’s notifying the world that he noticed, in about 1980, that Bryant had had a facelift.

Furman Bisher, as you know, came over from the Carolinas around 1950 to the sports editorship of the ATLANTA JOURNAL, at a time when it looked like Bobby Dodd was King of the SEC. Georgia Tech won the Sugar Bowl three times during the fifties — 1953, 1954, and 1956. Georgia Tech could claim national championships in 1951 and 1952, and had a winning streak of 31 games during that period. But then Paul Dietzeel’s LSU Tigers and Johnny Vaught’s Ole Miss Rebels came into power in the late fifties, and Bryant came from Texas A&M to Alabama in 1958.

The ultimate embarrassment was delivered to Dodd and Georgia Tech at Grant Field in 1960, when Tech led at the half 15-0, and Alabama, with backup quarterback Bobby Slelton leading the way to two TD’s and substitute field goal kicker Richard O’Dell kicking the winning field goal in the closing minutes. When the Holt-Graning incident happened the next year, Bisher jumped on it with both feet in a POST article about “brutality in college football.” When Dodd could only beat Bryant once during this period, by one point in 1962, Dodd left the SEC in 1963. He retired from coaching in 1967, never to play Bryant and Alabama again.

My brother, Tom Bennett, worked for Bisher beginning in 1965. I heard this and that about the Bisher-Benny Marshall situation from my brother. (Marshall was sports editor of the BIRMINGHAM NEWS.) My DISTINCT impression back then was that Bisher would stick the knife in and turn it. Meanwhile Bryant and Butts had won in court against to the claim that the 1962 Georgia-Alabama game was fixed. THAT was a joke — just for the record. I have talked with at least one Alabama player about that game. There was no “FIX.” Joe Namath could have thrown six TD passes that night. I saw the game in person at Legion Field. NO one — and certainly not Georgia — was ready for Joe Namath. The only thing that ever stopped Joe Namath was Bear Bryant — and a knee injury. Bear liked to run the ball.

Bobby Dodd had let Bryant have his Split-T playbook when Bryant was at Kentucky. The two men kept up their relationship by phone over the years — until Bryant started beating Dodd like a drum. The feud between Bryant and Bisher is what has kept this matter alive over the years. Bisher inserted himself into a matter that was between Bryant and Dodd, and the result has been an unresolved uneasiness since the early sixties.

bird

May 18th, 2010
8:43 pm

I remember the tech series with Auburn and hated to see it go, saw many a game, Being and Auburn fan if expansion is thrust upon the s.e.c. my vote would be Ga. tech and Miami added to the east and Texas and a&m to the west. You add 1 strong and 1 middle of pack team to both sides. Then you get the Texas market Atlanta market and Miami market,I don’t think fla. st or Okla. would substitute a%m and Tech that would make the S.E.C. too brutal for players but everyone else would love it.
Texas would relish coming for the competition standpoint, But they will be influenced by the Texas legislature, so who knows how that would go. Tech would jump if asked most old timers thought it was a terrible decision to leave the s.e.c years ago.Miami needs higher profile competition to excel and they are not getting it in the A.C.C so they are a toss up if they want in . They play in a much easier league that they are getting beaten up in now.
Texas will see if there league disappears before doing anything. Texas and A&m were about to join the s.e.c. last time but the Texas legislature threatened there billions in oil grant money that had been accumulating since the 20s that the 2 teams split in 2000. Texas is a southern school part of the old confederacy.Is that going to be enough to jump. if Nebraska and Missouri jump northward. Texas will move southeast.

double g

May 18th, 2010
8:49 pm

As a season-ticket holder for over 30 years, would I want to see Tech back in the SEC? Heck, yeah!

Tech’s SEC history is so deep, and the scheduling issues that UGA would solve with the Tech game being once again a conference game make it easy for UGA to say, “Welcome back, Jackets, welcome back.”

NERDS!!! 30-24!!!

May 18th, 2010
8:56 pm

NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!!

Brunswick Tech

May 18th, 2010
9:04 pm

if we go SEC, does that mean we could accept players with 720 sat scores, and will our team receive SEC speed upon signing the deal? Texas would never,never,never,never move to the SEC. But Lame Kiffen might bring USC…..lol

Dantheman

May 18th, 2010
9:14 pm

you know, the super conferences thing scared me too at first… I was like what? But, granted I’m an Auburn fan and 2004 lurks in my brain…. I think super conferences can end the what if and narrow down actual national champions. If you deserve to win you’ll win. As far as Ga Tech coming to SEC, I say come on. I think they are an excellent institution not only academically but their athletic department is top notch and never put a product out there that is laughable. War Eagle!

jimmy

May 18th, 2010
9:54 pm

new car jack MO…bad guy tapes a uga diploma on your back window while you are shopping at the mall.
As you start to back out of the space, you notice the trash and get out to remove….bingo, perp shoves you aside and steals your car and you are left with a worthless piece of paper.

Moral…beware worthless paper!