If USC, Bush cheated, should they lose BCS title, Heisman?

  The 125-year NCAA investigation (okay, that’s a SLIGHT exaggeration) into the University of Southern California football program and star running back Reggie Bush is expected to mercifully come to an end soon. There were rumblings that the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions would release its report last week but it didn’t. The investigation has been going on since 2006 so what’s a few more days? USC went before the Infractions Committee in February. In the old days they used to come up with a decision about six weeks after the hearing. Not any more.  Hey, it’s complicated and this is one of the most complicated cases ever.

This all happened a long time ago so let’s recap: Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner, allegedly received $300,000 in cash and other benefits from a two “gentlemen” (Lloyd Lake, Michael Michaels) who wanted to be Bush’s agent. But Bush stiffed those guys and went with another agency. They sued. NCAA investigators hoped that Bush would be put on the witness stand or, at the very least, have to sit for a deposition. Lying to NCAA investigators has no consequences unless you’re a current college player (ask Dez Bryant). But lying under oath gets you fitted for a striped suit and tin cup. It came as no surprise when Bush settled the case out of court rather than be compelled to tell the truth about his relationship with the two gentlemen in question.

I don’t have to tell you that a lot of people are watching this case and are handicapping the outcome. Opinions differ.  Former USC coach Pete Carroll, who got out of town (Seattle Seahawks) in January just ahead of the NCAA posse, said last week that he would be surprised if tough sanctions came down.

But elsewhere in the college football universe, this is seen as a big case test on whether or not the NCAA has the stomach to take down a high-profile football program that is not named Alabama.

If only half of what has been reported about Bush is true and USC skates on this one, there will be a nuclear eruption in Tuscaloosa, Ala. The Crimson Tide program was hammered for rules violations in 2002 and the penalties came with a considerable amount of finger wagging from the NCAA. Who could forget infractions committee chairman Tom Yeager saying that the committee considered giving Alabama the death penalty? He said that Alabama was “absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun (death penalty)” but the committee settled on a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 21 scholarships over three years.

Will the NCAA have the same righteous indignation for misbehavior and lack of institutional control, if proven, that takes place on the West Coast?

It is going to get pretty nasty if USC just gets a slap on the wrist.

Here are two big questions to keep in mind as we await the USC verdict:

No. 1: The qualifications for winning the Heisman Trophy clearly state that the recipient must be NCAA eligible. What if the NCAA proves after the fact that Bush was NOT eligible when he competed and won the Heisman in 2005? Many Heisman winners have had brushes with the law after winning the award but none has ever been stripped of the honor. On its website it says that the “Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and the integrity of this award.” But would the Heisman Trust want to open this can of worms? My friend Tom Shatel of the Omaha World-Herald suggests that if Bush cheated his Heisman Trophy should just be “vacated” or just stricken from the record books like it never happened.

Here is what I would do. If it is proven that Mr. Bush was ineligible in 2005, rather than set the precedent of vacating the award for that year, I would simply send Mr. Bush a letter telling him he is no longer welcome at any function honoring past Heisman Trophy winners. You can keep the hardware, Reggie, but you are out of the club.  Of course now that Mr. Bush has been paid handsomely by the NFL I’m sure he feels the ends justify the means. In short, shame is probably no longer part of his makeup.

No. 2: Even if the NCAA puts USC on double-secret probation and takes away a bunch of scholarships, that body cannot strip USC of its 2004 BCS national championship. That’s because the NCAA doesn’t award national championships in Division I-A football. And what the NCAA does not giveth, it cannot taketh away.

The BCS does not have an enforcement arm and really doesn’t want to get into the enforcement business. But BCS officials have told me that they would have to consider it if the NCAA proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that USC cheated.

So I’ll put it to you. If the NCAA Committee on Infractions gets the goods on USC—and I’m talking about lock-solid proof– should the BCS take away the 2004 national championship and should Reggie Bush be stripped or otherwise publicly separated from 2005 his Heisman Trophy?

And what happens if, after four years of investigating, the NCAA comes up with nothing?

 

JACK HAIRSTON, RIP: We lost Jack Hairston over the weekend. Jack wrote for the AJC early in his career but was best known as longtime sports columnist for the Gainesville (Fla.) Sun.  He was 81 years old. Jack was a member of the Football Writers Association Hall of Fame and is survived by his wife, Marilyn, and two daughters.  Jack was a good man and helped me early in my career. Please keep his family in your prayers.

 

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393 comments Add your comment

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

May 17th, 2010
8:23 am

NCAA needs to clear across the board- if they damaged Bama and punished them, then the same needs to go for USC. And now with Kiffin as HC, expect more sanctions to follow.

Pago Pago Dawg

May 17th, 2010
8:29 am

They gave SMU the “death penalty” for a lot less!! SMU still trying to get back to normal….

DawginLex

May 17th, 2010
8:35 am

FBR

May 17th, 2010
8:37 am

In essence, you have an ineligible player playing on an ineligible team. The National Championship and Bush’s Heisman trophy should be taken back—If found guilty—if not, it will diminish the meaning and spirit of both awards.

JOHN BON GRAVY

May 17th, 2010
8:37 am

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZ YA!

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
8:38 am

I say they should take back the Heisman and the BCS trophy if they are guilty. I also beilve that USC should be hit with “lack of institutional control” because of the OJ Mayo issue that goes along with this. It appears they cheated and have yet to suffer the consequences. It’s a shame the current players are the ones that get punished with no bowl appearances, etc. I don’t mind that Kiffin will suffer, because if ANYONE deserves to get hosed, it’s him after what he did up at UT. What comes around goes around!

Da Coach

May 17th, 2010
8:38 am

Seriuosly, who in their right mind needs (5) years to figure this out?

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
8:39 am

Sorry….believe not beilve!

RAPIN_Bergers

May 17th, 2010
8:40 am

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
8:41 am

Da Coach, I’m with you. I guess they’re just as elusive over there in California as Bin Laden is in the Middle East!

Rudy

May 17th, 2010
8:41 am

The only way USC gets in hot water is if they could prove they knew what was going on with Bush. They aren’t linked to the two “gentleman”. Now McKnight’s case adds a potential pattern to this issue of kids getting money from outsiders. When you combine both I think the NCAA could look at some schollies but I doubt anything major will happen here since Bush settled and never had to testify.

Alphare

May 17th, 2010
8:47 am

But in Southern Cal, you cannot buy a text book with $300,000.

Gatorbait 17-3

May 17th, 2010
8:47 am

Sock it to em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

phil

May 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Come on folks, ain’t nothing gonna happen to usc! a slap on the wrist, maybe. alabama, what are they gonna whine about? If they do, the sanctions committe will come back and investigate them. alabama better stay quiet on this one. It’s all about money and power, and usc has both.

L. Bo

May 17th, 2010
8:54 am

take it away. take that BS co-championship from 03 away too.

NoGaGator

May 17th, 2010
8:56 am

Between the basketball and Football programs, it certainly appears that there is a “lack of institutional control” going on at USC and it starts at the top.

Mike Garrett was the AD who hired Pete Carroll, Tim Floyd, and now, Loser Lane. I wonder how many violations he and his henchmen Wild Boyzz have already committed. Perhaps even worsei was Garrett throwing the Basketball program under the bus in an attempt to reduce the upcoming penalties on his beloved football program.

The NCAA needs to drop a heavy hammer on USC. Before doing that however, they should privately provide USC’s president an option where the penalties are less if Garrett is fired asap.

Gen Neyland

May 17th, 2010
8:56 am

Hmm, I can only imagine the many fingers poised, waiting to hammer away at Wikipedia…Aside from that, we sports fans are a blood-thirsty bunch that love to see anybody but our own bleed. Here’s to hoping the NCAA takes a 125 year old investigation into a 125 year probation for USCwest…

KR

May 17th, 2010
8:59 am

To me, the punishment is simple:

All USC wins during the time frame that Bush was a part of the team should be vacated. USC gets the same sanctions that Alabama got.

The BCS should advise USC that their 2004 Championship has been nullified and demand return of the crystal football. Failure to return the trophy will be grounds for exclusion from all future BCS bowls.

The Heisman Trophy folks should remove Bush’s name from their rolls and advise him that he will never be allowed to participate in any of their events ever again. He should also be banned from using the word “Heisman” in any way related to himself.

Of course, this is all dependent on evidence of guilt.

Call IT

May 17th, 2010
9:00 am

Sure if they cheated, but at this point, who cares as this will not impact USC since that season is long over?

Ya know?

Enough Said!

P-Man

May 17th, 2010
9:03 am

I’ll be surprised if anything happens at all. Either there won’t be enough “evidence”, or it’ll just be a slap on the wrist. Even if they are found guilty, USC will not be as severely punished as any team from the South would be.

XpatHeel

May 17th, 2010
9:03 am

ACC trumps $ec w/ new ESPN agreement. Read it here…http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article.preview&articleid=65729

Now, back to what you were blathering about…oh yea…the real USC getting put in the slammer. So much for the value of a Pac 10 – Big 12 marriage.

Eric

May 17th, 2010
9:05 am

Absolutely! And send that championship trophy to Auburn, where it belongs!

Bulldog59

May 17th, 2010
9:06 am

If proven at fault, Tony’s suggestion for Bush works well, keep the statue, just don’t come around us anymore.

For USC, if proven at fault, implement NCAA sanctions against USC.

For the BCS Title….”Taking” the title, “vacating” wins, who cares. Have the old fashion “*” by the title and footnote that USC was later put on probation, etc.

What else can you do?

JB

May 17th, 2010
9:14 am

Biggest difference in Southern Cal and Football in the South…..they are looking for reasons to find and punish the SEC because they know the passion in the South and how ALL schools push the limits…… But Southern Cal UNDER PETE CARROLL was the golden team, the favorite, the one team the NCAA wanted to be the shining program on the hill. It’s killing them to expose all this and stain that program. By all accounts I’ve read, they cheated. Now, who knows, but they wouldn’t have to look hard or far.

GEEZ

May 17th, 2010
9:17 am

OMG, your asking these dogpoops..of course take it all away from USC..only UGAY is allowed to cheat

Kevin Bacon

May 17th, 2010
9:19 am

Should Reggie Bush and his momma be deservedly punished, some public figure will look into the television cameras and with a straight face link said punishment to the Saints, the Super Bowl, the Super Dome, New Orleans, levees breaking, Hurricane Katrina, George Bush (no relation), and racism.

For you People magazine readers the headline is “Kim’s Revenge”.

uga_b

May 17th, 2010
9:20 am

If they are found guilty, I think ESPN should do a bunch of shows claiming they are still the best team ever. Also, the NCAA should add wins to them instead of vacating them because clearly this was a distraction that kept them from winning. I also think the rest of us should be forced to pay all of their legal expenses because it is so cool Snoop Dogg likes them.

Special K

May 17th, 2010
9:22 am

Something should happen but it won’t. The only teams to get hammered by the ncaa are in the south.

5IML

May 17th, 2010
9:23 am

Knowing the cyclical nature of college football, the NCAA waited for USC to start a downward turn before completing the investigation. Whatever penalty USC receives really won’t make a difference since they are heading back into mediocrity anyway. Great timing, NCAA!

Richham

May 17th, 2010
9:24 am

Absolutely! I don’t care what anyone says, Bush was a one man recking crew while he was on the field. He was the best player no matter who they played and directly responsible for them winning a bunch of games.

SaintsLSU

May 17th, 2010
9:26 am

I have never liked USC. Not solely based on the ‘03 split NC w/ LSU, but that is sure part of it. They need to be hammered just like everyone else would. Don’t get me wrong, I love what Reggie does for my Saints, but if a violation was made then it must be done. He seems like the person that it would not bother him to be banished from Heisman ceremonies anyway. Still glad to have him on the Saints regardless.

Tony, you said USC can’t be stripped of it’s 2004 BCS NC, but since LSU won the BCS in ‘03, can USC be stripped of the ‘03 AP NC? Assuming USC is found guilty of everything?

Richham

May 17th, 2010
9:26 am

The really funny part of this is what does Lame Kiffin do now? Oh it would be too funny to watch him bolt another school.

Maybe he’s decided to be a politician and run for president.

Richham

May 17th, 2010
9:28 am

oh and before the typo police get on here i see that i misspelled recking…I mean wrecking.

Miles

May 17th, 2010
9:31 am

Question #1: Bush’s Heisman Trophy should be taken from him. Question #2: USC’s National Championship should be taken from them. Mr. Barnhart, why do you take such a nonchalant and blase stance on these ethical issues? This sort of crap is precisely what tarnishes the great game of college football. Do you truly love the game?

GTville

May 17th, 2010
9:32 am

If he took money, it did not change his physical makeup…he was still an athlete and assumed to be free from steriods, so he won his award on the field and should keep it.

As far as the team’s national championship, taking it away is really meaningless. The records would show a blank space for the year with an asterisk stating USC won but then forfieted….so in otherwords, they won it.

The result should be for USC to implement better controls. Kifffin knows the rules and will push the limits in all cases, so the USC President and academic arm of the school should be forced to feel the pressure and implement changes. Scholarships should be lost for 4 years and other contols.

Either way, if you are an athlete and cheat the rules, you stand to gain a lot of money in the NFL. If your school and future atheletes suffer the consequences, too bad for them. You win, they lose. There is really no way to shame or punish the star.

Lame Kiffin

May 17th, 2010
9:34 am

Reggie, Who?

Charlie Bama

May 17th, 2010
9:36 am

I say throw the book at ‘em. If Alabama can eat the unfairness (or some degree of it, for sure), so can a fancy pants west coast program. The fact that this investigation has taken soooo long tells me the NCAA is way too hesitant to do the right thing. It’s open komono time, gents! Lets us see the real you.

george

May 17th, 2010
9:41 am

if O J simpson did not lose his heisman for murdering 2 people I highly doubt bush will lose his.

Chuck

May 17th, 2010
9:49 am

It’s the NCAA, so what they should do and what they will do are two drastically different things.

They should force USC to vacate their wins for that season. That will force the BCS to strip their title from them. They should also put them on three years probation with a loss of scholarships. USC showed a lack of institutional control in not researching Bush’s relationship with these agents when it was first reported.

What the NY Downtown Athletic Club does with his Heisman Trophy is up to them.

Denver Dog

May 17th, 2010
9:52 am

They are part of the protected group. Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame. Bama go wrist slapping for what should have been death penalty infracdtions. FSU got nothing for what it did. Ohio and Notre Dame don’t even get a look. It is all about the money. Ask SMU grads about why Texas got SMU in trouble, and you will see why there will be nothing really done to USC. I think that a man.boy named Kiffin was involved in those early recruiting days at USC. Imagine that?

Obamination

May 17th, 2010
9:52 am

This self-righteous blather from “Mr. SEC” is a joke.

What Jan Kemp exposed at UGA was much worse.

UGA deliberately engaged in institutionally-sanctioned academic
fraud that was sponsored and facilitated by people employed at UGA,
including the President.

Its one thing when agents and boosters corrupt college athletics.

Its an entirely more damning situtation when its the
university itself sponsoring and facilitating all of the corruption.

Perhaps, the NCAA should strip UGA of its 1980 title since that happened during the years that Jan Kemp documented that academic fraud was rampant.

But hey, you’ll never hear that from Barnhart.

Afterall, we’re talking about “Mr. SEC” here.

John H. Davidson

May 17th, 2010
9:55 am

DEATH PENALTY!! If it was good enouth for SMU, it is good enough for USC. Q–What is the difference between Craig James/Eric Dickerson and Reggie Bush?? A–There is no difference. So, NCAA has a solid precedent here — death penalty.

Bank CEO

May 17th, 2010
9:57 am

Ha, that’s nothing.

We’re still committing fraud worse than that every single day.

We run this state, and country.

Lady Ga Ga Gator

May 17th, 2010
9:59 am

This would not have taken so long if Coach Spurrier was still at Florida. He took down Alabama with Travis Carroll’s help.

Alphare

May 17th, 2010
10:00 am

BAMA was in trouble mainly because of TN, is it true?

Which school is taking on SoCal? None as I know of.

Denver Dog

May 17th, 2010
10:01 am

Way to go obamination, pull UGA into the USC pay to play controversy. I think UGA did the time for the remedial class thing 25 years ago, 4 ACC schools are reeling from acadmic fraud in the last 2 years, inlcuding Ga Tech. So let’s address the pay for play at USC, which is what this case is about. Not just football, but all sports at USC. Again, ask SMU about it

Tech Fan Since 1950

May 17th, 2010
10:02 am

“NCAA doesn’t award national championships in Division I-A football.” What a farce, since the NCAA awards championships in all the other sports and divisions including football. The BCS continues to be a fraud as it is full of deception and trickery. Shame on the NCAA for letting such a system exist. Talk about an investigation!

richtfan

May 17th, 2010
10:02 am

if they’ve taken this long, then there is likely a lot there. the ncaa should nut up and strip them of the title. if there is even one small bit of evidence that makes this worse than what Bama did, then USC should get the death penalty. However, I doubt that the ncaa has the guts to do that. they see kiffin and company as a cash cow and would not want to damage that program regardless what infractions it had committed.

1 Star

May 17th, 2010
10:02 am

Bush cheated, yes.

But just exactly how did USC cheat?

Coach Cool

May 17th, 2010
10:05 am

Hmmm… #5 cheated at USC when he was in school?

Now former Trojan Brian Cushing gets pinched for PEDs?

Cheatin @ Southern Cal??

REALLY??

Bootsie

May 17th, 2010
10:08 am

O.J. was found INNOCENT. Maybe you missed it.

Ramblin Wrecker

May 17th, 2010
10:11 am

I think the issue here is not whether Reggie Bush was ineligible…because he was. The guy took the money, chose a different agent, got sued and settled with the guys who paid him $300k. If he didn’t take the money, he wouldn’t have settled the lawsuit. So he’s guilty of violating NCAA rules and therefore was ineligible.

The issue is what did USC know and how much of it is their responsibility. Regardless of what Pete Carroll says publicly, he knew USC was in trouble. Why else did he take the Seahawks job? He had way better NFL job opportunities (i.e. Atlanta or San Francisco) before this year. So methinks that points to vulnerability on USC’s part in regard to Bush’s extracurricular activities and a desire on Carroll’s part to not be in town when it gets burned down.

Doc

May 17th, 2010
10:12 am

Phil Fulmer took down Alabama, then got his half-ton butt run out of town.

KimZ'spackage

May 17th, 2010
10:14 am

I am sure Cushing didn’t start taking ROIDS until he left USC too.

RAMBLE ON!!!

May 17th, 2010
10:16 am

Then UGAg would have to give up their one and only 1980 NC.

GeneralNeyland96

May 17th, 2010
10:16 am

The NCAA should take this opportunity to regain contol of some of it’s more morally questionable institutions by delivering USC a death blow…Maybe it will snap some of the other gray-area dwellers back into line.

PMC

May 17th, 2010
10:20 am

There is absolutely a lack of institutional control because they either knew and did nothing, or ignored glaring issues. Taking wins and championships away is silly, as would be recinding the heisman. Vince Young deserved it… but it’s ancient history now and he got the National Title which is better anyway. Ron Dayne still has Joe Ham’s Heisman too. It happens.

They should probably be forced to pay for independant NCAA staffers to oversee all athletic department operations not unlike the US government does with corporations who screw up. They should definately be garnished a ton of scholarships.

As for TV and Bowls… that just hurts the players and the institutions ability to make money… I’m not sure if that’s appropriate or not. What they need though is serious hulking oversite that they have to pay for. They shouldn’t be able to sneeze without asking and those same guys should be looking at every single coach in those programs who have moved on in that same manner.

Lou

May 17th, 2010
10:23 am

Bootsie..OJ was found “not guilty” of murder…that does not mean innocent. It simply means the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to that particular jury.

OJ was found guilty of other crimes recently in Las Vegas and is in prison right now.

Mr. Obvious

May 17th, 2010
10:24 am

With no professional football teams in the Los Angeles area, combined with the school’s proximity to Las Vegas, I would be shocked and surprised if there WASN’T a cheating/gambling/point-shaving/prostitution/pay-the-players epidemic at USC.

USC makes all the collective illegal activity at Alabama look like a church choir picnic, minus the booze.

If people in Alabama were as educated and wealthy as the people in Southern California & Nevada, the Crimson Tide would likely be on par with the “quality” of cheating at USC.

BANKROLL, TIDE !!!

McDawg

May 17th, 2010
10:25 am

so if a booster gives a kid $100 its a potential sanction but if a businessman gives a kid $300,000 its no big deal

Bush, McKnight, Mayo sounds to me like there is a lack of institutional control at USC

Douglas

May 17th, 2010
10:29 am

Tony: several things bother me about this whole situation. If Reggie gets away with this, then any college football player can cheat in the future, pay off the agents to keep quiet and not testify against him, and go free. If this happens, the IRS ought to investigate Reggie Bush, his family, and the agents who supplied his family the money. They should not only be punished by the NCAA but by the IRS because I’m sure they did not pay taxes on the benefits they received. The agents along with Reggie and his family should be tried and if they will not testify, they ought to be placed in jail for contempt of court until they testify. This is a farce if nothing happens. If USC goes free, Alabama as well as any other institution that has been penalized by the NCAA ought to go after the NCAA. I’m still disgusted that the NCAA placed a slap on the wrist to Notre Dame several years ago after a woman provided the athletes with extra benefits and gifts. It shows the NCAA truly plays favorites.

Alphare

May 17th, 2010
10:34 am

McDawg,

yes, that’s how NCAA works. It’s all about class and status.

If it’s Texas taking on anybody else, you have no chance. Just ask SMU.

If you are perceived as a redneck college, you have no chance. Just ask BAMA.

If you are perceived as a princes, you will be treated with manner and respect. And you may get away with anything. Just ask USC.

HugoStiglitz

May 17th, 2010
10:37 am

If USC is guilty of infractions then put them on probation just like other teams have been. Taking away championships and heisman trophy awards is a dangerous territory though. Especially for the BCS who basically is only out for money anyways. They have no business in deciding things of this nature and are better off staying out of it.

Delbert D.

May 17th, 2010
10:38 am

“They should force USC to vacate their wins for that season. That will force the BCS to strip their title from them.”

Good thought, but who says the BCS has any responsibilities for after-the-fact NCAA problems, just as the NCAA has no BCS concerns.

USC is one of the most highly ranked academic institutions, just ahead of U. Mich. and UNC, and just behind UVA. That otherwise excellent institutions can allow careless, deceitful and corrupt activities is shameful. Ultimately, who is responsible for the character of recruits and what off the field criminal, ethical and moral issues these students engage in? It has to be the school and its agents, the coaching staff. The NCAA is not an on-the-scene police force. Any wrongdoings should have repercussions to the school, its agents at the time, and the student. Carroll and his staff at the time should be sued by the university, along with Bush. The NCAA should punish the school severely for this egregious offense, the payment of athletes, which is perhaps the most antithetic act that can be committed against fair competition.

richipoo

May 17th, 2010
10:41 am

It’s simple. If the NCAA has proof on USC, then they should get punished. Same as anywhere else. It shouldn’t be one set of rules for one school and another set of rules for someone else.

In my opinion the NCAA has become a joke when trying to enforce athletics. It’s a joke as long as Alabama gets hammered with one set of sanctions while Tennessee (Tee Martin getting paid by a booster) gets off scott free. But my expectation is that the NCAA will give USC a slap on the wrist.

It should be fair for all schools.

Mark "Crimson Crier" Ingram

May 17th, 2010
10:42 am

Time to strip the teflon off of USC and make them pay the price!

#2 BAMA FAN

May 17th, 2010
10:49 am

Vince Young should get the heisman trophy since Reggie Bush got payed before his final season in LA. As for the death penalty for the trojans NO!! Just take a bunch of Schloarships away and they have to give back the national championship in 04. The main reason the trojans will not get nailed
to the wall is because no secret witness like Phil Fulmer and Roy Kramer letting Fulmer tell lie after
lie to NCAA against the crimson tide!! Yes Bama was gulity of paying for Albert Means but Fulmer
told many lies to the NCAA protecting his own dirty program!! RTR

Mike

May 17th, 2010
10:52 am

In addition to Reggie Bush, don’t forget about Jarrett having his rent paid by Matt Leinart’s father. The NCAA let USC off with having Jarrett to pay the back rent due despite not having a job. The racist facebook page with a burning swastika and “arrest black babies before they become criminals.” Ohh, and former USC coach Dave Watson, who Pete Carroll knew was addicted to pain medication, using 31 school doctors to acquire every narcotic known to man while coaching the team. Joe McKnight saying he was talking to Reggie Bush while in high school then denying it 10 minutes later…and his Land Rover he was cruising in while attending USC.

Lack of institutional control.

Reality Check

May 17th, 2010
10:55 am

How can they punish anyone with what is being allowed to go on and has gone on for a while in Gainesville, Knoxville and Tuscaloosa?

J T Guy

May 17th, 2010
10:55 am

Vacate the wins, take back the Heisman and give it to the runner-up.

As far as lack of institutional control, if it’s proven, it had better be as stiff as Alabama’s or the SEC should sue.

As to the BCS, I think that they should just declare that there was not a BCS title winner that year.

murfdawg

May 17th, 2010
10:56 am

As I have said many times before, the only true championship in college football is the SEC Championship. The BCS is proving more and more to be more bs and less bcs. I’m sure Reggie Bush will be heartbroken if he has to give up his Heisman and not allowed to go to the Downtown Athletic Club.

Note to ACC fans: I know you have a championship, but it like having a contest to find the tallest midget.

USC Trojan

May 17th, 2010
10:57 am

SEC folk would love nothing better than to see USC fall. Won’t happen, so might want to direct your wishes to something more constructive like Tennesee and their flooding.

Chase Foster

May 17th, 2010
10:59 am

If USC and Mr. Bush are found guilty of the serious allegations then yes, both should be stripped. Pete Carrol running to Seattle makes one believe heknos they are guilty. If the NCAA does not bring harsh punishment then other schools will do as USC. In 2004, Auburn had the 5th toughest schedule ahead of USC and Oklahoma and were told their game with Citadel was the deciding factor. But USC cheated for two years and they have the right to play for the title? I say crown Auburn with the title and take it away from USC and collect any hardware that was given including rings.

AlphaDog

May 17th, 2010
11:09 am

How is the USC program guilty because of unknown, individual, off the field actions of a player? Did they take action upon learning of the payment to Bush, like notifying the NCAA?

SECorBust

May 17th, 2010
11:11 am

When you are on top everyone wants to see you fall. I’m not sure that the heisman can be physically taken from Bush, but you can do as Barnhardt suggests. The Heisman and National Championship can recieve astricks for the year that USC won it when Bush was ineligable. The NCAA will not allow a student athlete to recieve a used laptop from the wrong person; it is completely valid that USC will be punished for bennefits that Bush received. USC has already begun to punish itself by hiring Lane Kiffin. The NCAA should respond with a reasonable ammount of probation and scolarship reductions.

USC does not deserve to be given the death penalty nor to have its championship and trophy given to another school. It does deserve to be punished in a fair and consistent manner. If for some reason the investigation does not turn up the necessary evidence then the NCAA should be punished for being inept and unable to show due diligence.

HanDAWG

May 17th, 2010
11:14 am

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dawg4life

May 17th, 2010
11:17 am

USC Trojan- Get off your high horse! Us “SEC folk” don’t give a rats hind parts about USC. We play real football in this part of the country son. USC can take their cheating ways and fall into the pacific for all I care. In fact, the entire cesspool that is LA can cease to exist, what a disgusting place. Obviously this isn’t the “mighty” program that everyone makes it out to be. Has to cheat to win the Pac-1, what a shame. Put USC in the SEC and they are a 3 loss team perennially.

fishtales

May 17th, 2010
11:20 am

Thanks for confusing the facts as usual Reality Check. Alabama did not pay Means’ parents or those two idiot coaches in Memphis. A rogue booster, Logan Young, did. Albert Means never set foot on Alabama’s field, and because of some idiot that never went to Bama, but was a Bama fan, did something stupid, the entire Alabama community has to suffer the NCAA fingerpointing and the crap all other fans in the country like to spew at Alabama. Is that fair? No, and I know that it’s so much fun to call Alabama a bunch of cheaters that no one will listen to the facts. It’s funny that most of us think the NCAA is full of BS but everyone is so quick to back them when they are chastising Alabama. Such is life I guess.

Yoda

May 17th, 2010
11:20 am

The NCAA is a big joke…run by a bunch of self-indulgent, pious acting hypocrites that believe they are the gods of higher education. All they really care about is a large stack of dead presidents and who’s kissing their backsides.

Milky

May 17th, 2010
11:29 am

Obamination – Your handle tells me all I need to know about you. You have no clue what you’re even talking about, but your bias against (perhaps jealousy) of UGA clouds your thought process. First of all, these are 2 totally unrelated issues, one of which was 30 years ago. But, since you have nothing intelligent to contribute to this blog, you just try to take a jab at UGA. Classy..

Don

May 17th, 2010
11:29 am

Why no article about the acc’s tv deal. Almost as much as the sec per team payout. Much higher than you said they would get Tony.

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2010/05/17/daily2.html

TOAD

May 17th, 2010
11:30 am

if USC is found to be guilty of the violations, they should have to admit that they lost to Notre Dame.

Reptiles Rule

May 17th, 2010
11:32 am

The one reason I think you may see some current sanctions after all this foot dragging by the NCAA is that USC had the “nerve” to go out and hire Lane Kiffin after Carroll bolted. Of course, that would never be discussed publicly or even suggested or anything, but I don’t think the NCAA took too kindly to Kiffin’s shenanigans during his brief tenure at Tennessee. All those secondary vilations and then his bogus claims that it was all for publicity smacked in the face of college football’s governing body. Look for maybe a little subtle”payback”.

#1 BAMA FAN

May 17th, 2010
11:33 am

Call us rednecks or call us cheaters…..I like to refer to us as BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONS.RTR

Anonymous

May 17th, 2010
11:36 am

Reality Check:

Let those without sin (UGA) cast the first stone!

Bob/ Okeefe

May 17th, 2010
11:37 am

Give them the Death Penalty or abolish it.Alabama wasn’t hit hard enough either.SMU was a scape goat to show that the NCAA had some power.Now, however they are GUTLESS.Abolish the death penalty if it not going to be used.

athensdawg

May 17th, 2010
11:37 am

the ncaa will do whatever it wants. deal with it.

twobales

May 17th, 2010
11:38 am

USC should be stripped of its 2004 national championship and it should be given to the true national champs-Auburn. Auburn got screwed out of playing for the national champion after going undefeated in the SEC.

GO HEELS

May 17th, 2010
11:42 am

No need to strip something away that has already been awarded its years after he left that they are now sayin something he is now a millionare and a superbowl champion….. I say take away scholarships from the program perhaps for the nxt 2 yrs….

KR

May 17th, 2010
11:43 am

You can’t retroactively award the Heisman trophy to the runner up and you can’t retroactively name someone else as the BCS champion for 2004. All you can do is take them away from the player and team that broke the rules in their quest to win them.

Tina

May 17th, 2010
11:53 am

How can you talk about lying and cheating and completely ignore UGA? Eventually the NCAA has got to look at what’s happening at UGA with all the player arrests.

Now that we’re officially in the off-season, wouldn’t this be the perfect time to take an in-depth look at UGA and have a free-ranging discussion about the problems at UGA and why the arrest rate of players is the highest in the country? it’s common knowledge that UGA is a party school, but have any football players every actually graduated with a real degree? Jan Kemp exposed the school and the coaches almost three decades ago, but there is no sign that anything has improved; if anything, the arrest rate shows that things are getting more outrageous every year while Mark Richt – a decent fellow with no coaching skills – has no clue what to do.

UGA has become a major embarrassment to all Georgians, and we want some answers starting now.

gt gartor fan

May 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

3 an 17 against the gators this year? go gators.

even gt doesnt have a rival that we do so poorly against unless you would consider the ugagers. but hey….. ugag recruits top 5 talent year in an year out in almost every sport they participate in. ugag is the state flagship university *sic*. ugag is 4 times the size of gt. 90% of ugag’s students are in-bred an raised in the state of georgia.

with all those advantages one would expect that ugag would have a decided edge over gt. as it stands gt does a pretty good job in most areas and is closing the gap in fb. ask cpj and reverend richt. (thank god that gomer gailey is gone)

so my question is…… what is ugag’s excuse wrt florida. CHOKE! maybe all that kneeling that mark richt is teachin them boys is all about ‘choking’ and preperation for jail time. GAG!

as far as reggie bush and usc goes i say nail them to the wall. all games bush played in should be forfeit. bush should no longer be considered a heisman trophy winner and i agree with tony. ban him from ever attending any future events. bar him from voting. also usc should be barred from having any heisman candidates for say 20 years. they knew he was a cheater and they allowed him to accept that trophy under false pretenses

all this begs the question…. usc cheated an won nc’s and heismans. bama cheated and won nc’s and heismans. ugag cheats an their players go to jail.and they are perenial also rans. And it looks like they may win the recruiting nc this year again….

and yet again they will choke against florida every year even with all that talent. tooooooooo funny.

this is the stuff movies are made of.

larry curly moe an ugag play football
dumb dumber and ugagers
florida does athens
rudy goes to jail
urinating in the library for dummies
drunk an disorderly in athens
midnight football players in athens
deep richt
———-

gt gator fan

May 17th, 2010
12:02 pm

bowman

May 17th, 2010
12:07 pm

Tony writes: “Hey, it’s complicated and this is one of the most complicated cases ever.”

It’s not about being complicated that slowing down the (flawed) process, it’s about who and what is at stake. The who is a star-studded cast that includes Southern Cal, one of college football’s great programs; Pete Carroll, thought to be a genius college football coach, Reggie Bush, the Heisman Trophy award winner; Mike Garrett, the former USC star who returns as athletic director. The what includes national championships, Heisman Trophies, wins that become losses, scholarship reductions that hobble the program, etc.

The NCAA had not problem hammering SMU, a private school with fewer than 15,000 students and a small alumni base. The NCAA was a little kinder pounding what it probably considered the redneck hicks in Alabama. Will the NCAA have the courage to dish justice equally or will it demonstrate that who you are is more important than what you did wrong? If it follows the latter path, it will confirm that the enforcement system is flawed and probably broken beyond repair. At that point, we should consider dismantling the NCAA and constructing far better and less clubby organization.

bowman
– -
“Art will always be Art.” – Goethe

Pietro

May 17th, 2010
12:08 pm

I don’t think anybody who commented on this story knows the details of the case. The two “gentlemen” (convicted felons) are supposed to have paid the rent for Bush’s parents on an expensive apartment in San Diego. How the USC coaches or athletic department could’ve known about this is beyond me. As Carrol said back in 06, “We watch the kids. Are we supposed to watch their parents now too?”

If the investigating committee is fair, USC will not be punished. And that will lead to howls of indignation from fans of schools who have been on the receiving end of NCAA sanctions. But if you look closely at the case, you’ll know that howling isn’t warranted.

Gil Yard

May 17th, 2010
12:20 pm

I wonder if the NCAA is stalling because they are waiting for a day when their announcement may not be the top news story.
The NBA & NHL championships are coming up as well as the French Open and NASCAR’s All-star events in Charlotte.

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!

May 17th, 2010
12:21 pm

If USC cheated then Auburn will have the national championship they deserved.

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!

hounddog

May 17th, 2010
12:23 pm

NCAA sanctioins? Should they? YES. Will they? NO. USC is LA”s pro football franchise, money rules so nothing will happen to USC that will hurt. Few if any scholarship losses, No bowl sanctions beause the Rose Bowl folks won’t allow that. No TV sanctions (to much money involved).

BG

May 17th, 2010
12:27 pm

Throw the book at USC!

Special K

May 17th, 2010
12:31 pm

Reality Check! Include Athens in your cities please.

David

May 17th, 2010
12:33 pm

They will never take the title or the Heisman trophy away. Mike Rozier admitted that he took money while at Nebraska. Heisman committee did not do anything. If the NCAA takes USC title away, then they need to take UGA’s title away, for the academic issues and the Firebird the boosters gave Walker.

Tide_7

May 17th, 2010
12:37 pm

1)After 5 years of investigating if they dont’ find something, they need to hire new investigators.
2)Auburn – if you can’t win it on the field, I guess you would take one from the back door.
3)Roll Tide – 13 and counting

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
12:42 pm

“2)Auburn – if you can’t win it on the field, I guess you would take one from the back door.”

13-0, beotch! We don’t claim fake national championships like the hillbillies of Tuscaloser.

“if you can’t win it on the field”

You must suck at math. What game did Auburn lose? Answer: ZERO!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
12:43 pm

“Roll Tide – 13 and counting”

LOL! Bama isn’t known for being a school for math majors.

XpatHeel

May 17th, 2010
12:44 pm

Don, Mr. SEC Football, aka Barnyard, can only peck out one article a day. Any more and he wants O.T.

THE storyline of the day is the ESPN deal w/ the ACC…not some 6 yr. old story of how USC and Bush have cheated. Now he has to wear a dunce cap and stand in the corner. Big Deal. Wrist Slap coming.

The per school pay out negotiated by the ACC is now in the same room w/ the SEC, and includes basketball. ESPN will no longer be hyping the $ec at the expense of the ACC. You guys will have to start sharing Prime Time on the WWL, like it or not.

Will

May 17th, 2010
12:44 pm

I am for the death penalty if all of these allegations are true. It’s time to send a message to Myer, Kiffin and Saban that cheating will not be permitted any longer,

Galin Hall

May 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

Is a frog’s ass, water-tight?

Jacketman

May 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

HELL YES!!!! They need to show that USC is NOT above everyone else! Strip the Title, Strip the Heisman, and long time probabtion!!!!!

fishtales

May 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

13…8…whatever you want it doesn’t matter to us. And you don’t really need much math to know that 8 is a lot more than 1/2.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
12:49 pm

“And you don’t really need much math to know”

That statement says everything I need to know about Bama grads.

Rob

May 17th, 2010
12:52 pm

I hate to sound cynical, but I can’t help but wonder if conference expansion and new tv contracts could play a role here. If four 16-team megaconferences emerge from expansion, there is an outside chance that those 64 schools would break entirely with the NCAA, even possibly forming their own basketball tournament. Recent articles and comments seemed to indicate that the PAC-10 might not expand after all. However, USC is the only national tv draw in the PAC-10 and a weakened USC might force the PAC-10 to expand to 16.

gcs

May 17th, 2010
12:53 pm

Yes, take the Heisman back. Yes take the BCS national championship. Yes, forfeit all games Bush participated in while ineligible. Yes, forfeit all games Joe McKnight participated in while ineligible.
And yes, hammer the basketball team as well.

If, after four years of investigating, the NCAA comes up with nothing…
I think it would be time to investigate the NCAA. This organization is more secretive than Skull & Bones. They have absolutely no due process of law, no checks & balances and do whatever they want without repercussions.
Maybe Alabama, Florida State, SMU, Memphis, et al should file a class action lawsuit.

.

Rob

May 17th, 2010
12:55 pm

There are online reports that the ACC has reached a new tv deal with ESPN for $155 million per year. Much better then their old deal but short of the $205 million dollar deal that the SEC has. Does the ajc have any news on this?

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
1:00 pm

XpatHeel….you really think some deal by ESPN with the ACC has the SEC one bit concerned, especially when it comes to “sharing primetime games?” There isnt even a competition. Pick a date and the SEC has many more great games the nation would rather watch than anything the ACC could ever offer. Face it, nobody cares to turn on a game at 7:30 and see Maryland/Boston College when they can go and watch LSU/Auburn or Alabama/Tennessee ect..Even ESPN knows that.

Tombo

May 17th, 2010
1:06 pm

Without vacating the wins, the NCAA implies it is okay to pay players or families and the punishment will only be scholarship losses. Opens Pandora’s box. Need to nail USC to wall and make an example of them. Come on…they kicked Dez Bryant out for a year for talking to Deion. Surely there’s gotta be some major punishment for taking huge amounts of goods/services/cash from an agent.

The NCAA needs to put pressure on BCS and Heisman that their association with college football is in jeopardy if they don’t take punitive steps if Bush found to be in violation.

To stop it from happening, there needs to be jail time for the agents preying on the kids. Put some of the burden on the agents rather than just expecting schools to police the kids 24/7.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
1:10 pm

Rob….yeah that deal is official. ESPN outbid Foxsports. I honestly think it would have been a better deal for the ACC to go with Fox, utilizing all the Fox sports channels for their games, instead of trying to share the stage with the SEC on ESPN. When it comes to basketball, its a great deal for the ACC, but in football your typical ACC game is going to be that 12 noon game that ESPN use to have for those Big 10 games they would show. Primetime will still going mostly to the SEC because of better matchups.

BIG Nick

May 17th, 2010
1:10 pm

But Reggie Bush was an underprivledged minority who had no other way of being paid $300,000…It’s not his fault. Remember he is black, so he gets a pass and if you do try and hold him accountable for his actions then you are a racist!

T3

May 17th, 2010
1:14 pm

I agree xpatheel.

So, ESPN agrees to a new multi-year deal with the ACC,and
Barnhart chooses to run an article about Reggie Bush.

Typical Barnhart.

help, I live in Ga

May 17th, 2010
1:19 pm

First, they should bring in Phil Fulmer to testify.
Second, they should take all the victories from those two seasons, and give them to Bobby Bowden.
Third, they should take all the Saints victories and give them to the Colts–including the Super Bowl.
Fourth, they should take all the players that left Tennessee and force them to play for Kiffen.
And finally take away all their scholarships for 4 years AND MAKE them play every game on national TV with their walk-ons.
That should do it.

One more thing. They should let Monte retire back to his home in Tampa an not have to coach with the Spawn anymore. Ok one more thing. They should make Monte Knox Kiffen, lose the Monte from his name so he will just be Knox Kiffen–the most beat up kid on the block.

That should do it.

LOL

May 17th, 2010
1:19 pm

Is there a whinier bunch than ACC fans? My god, you folks always have your panties in a wad about some perceived slight.

Einsteindawg

May 17th, 2010
1:22 pm

Nothing will happen to USC except a little verbal posturing by the NCAA. Folks, it’s all about the money and the NCAA love their billions the same as the PAC 10, SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, BSC, etc. If you want someone to blame, how about blaming television. These huge contracts help justify all the cheating from recruiting on down the line. Just my opinion.

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
1:26 pm

Reggie Bush invited Coach Carroll over for dinner with his family one night. Coach asked him how could he afford such a big house on a freshman’s salary. Pete is very familiar with the salary structure for USC football players so you can’t say he (the university) didn’t know.

SaintsLSU, I wouldn’t worry about that “split” NC with USC. You guys got the BCS crystal football which is what counts.

UcantCLA

May 17th, 2010
1:28 pm

YES!!!!!! Cheaty Petey is gone and now the program is in shambles. but I’ll admit Im kinda biased.

Harry C

May 17th, 2010
1:30 pm

Yes, USC needs to lose the championship if found quilty especially as there are rumors of “new” violations. I also believe Bush needs to lose the Heisman and it given to the runner-up in the voting.

Whopper Dawg

May 17th, 2010
1:32 pm

I live outside of Memphis, and there basketball team just got Hammered. They should go after the Trojans too.

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
1:32 pm

Given the fact that he settled out of court instead of testifying and trying to clear his name would be an admission of guilt. IF the Heisman club has rules and those rules were broken then I would imagine they have consequences for breaking those rules. Follow those. Same for the NCAA and USC. Rules broken, pay the consequences. I think USC knows this will be the case and therefore they hired Kiffin to burn the probation time off the clock. After that is done they will can him.

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
1:33 pm

So Thursday nights are all booked up with ACC football. Was that a doubleheader deal? Next are we going to have noon kickoffs on Thursday?

Billy

May 17th, 2010
1:35 pm

First of all, I cannot stand USC, and think it would be hillarious to watch them suffer. But, having said that, I also cannot stand the fact that one sorry low life, breaks the rules and the entire team has to suffer. And it isn’t even his team that’s suffereing, but an entirely different one. The NCAA system of punishment is a joke. The true violaters are never really punished, just the other people who happen to go the same school. What they should do, is make all players sign a contract that will make them liable for any damages they cause due to rules violations.
So, take his heisman, but leave the title.

bills

May 17th, 2010
1:37 pm

Tina, your continuing rants against UGA are not only out of place in this blog but seriously overstate problems in Athens (and Tuscaloosa and Columbia and Oxford and Knoxville, etc.). UGA has done nothing at the level of USC’s problems, and you should be aware of that. Take it somewhere else where the sun don’t shine, babe.

KJ

May 17th, 2010
1:37 pm

LOL @ bringing UGA into a discussion that has nothing to do with them. Give the trolls a rope long enough, and they’ll pull UGA into the Kennedy assassination. Pathetic, jealous trolls.

Oh, and the reason there’s no story about whatever deal the ACC made, is that nobody cares. This is football we’re talking about.

jackyldo

May 17th, 2010
1:40 pm

Basketball and football players getting extras from alums and who knows what else. If you don’t punish alums everywhere step up and get a little more involved..

This dual issue shows institutional lack of control… Vacate wins, punish with scolarship reductions and a year or two ban on post season.

Show your serious or don’t even bother calling yourself an enforcement branch.

74 Dawg

May 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

What about Matt Leinert’s parents renting the million dollar condo for $2000 a month,and Joe McKnight getting a new car “for all his Hos”? And add in the Mayo. This is worse than the Bama situation,and in line with what broke up the old Southwest Conference. It is either total arrogance or a total lack of institutional control.

Hambone

May 17th, 2010
1:42 pm

Judge not less you be judged yourself. It does not matter we are all human with flaws of greed and winning. Make yourself whole then help your neighbor.

Mitchell Gantt

May 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

You’re a little too quick to jump on the “explosion in Tuscaloosa” bandwagon, Tony. It’s a lot more likely that the people in the know over there are praying for a slap on the wrist; Alabama has been under NCAA investigation for major recruiting violations and academic fraud since the summer of 2007, and the longer the investigation has gone on, the more violations the NCAA has uncovered. They are next in line for the Infractions Committee. Saban, Mal Moore, and Mike Slive all know it, and so does every reporter in the southeast, as well as most national reporters, but nobody will break the story without a witness willing to go on the record. That hasn’t happened yet, but it’s not going to be terribly much longer.

74 Dawg

May 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

By the way,is that how you spell Hos? Spell checker was no help.

Skeezix

May 17th, 2010
1:48 pm

If these charges prove true, they should receive at a minimum the same punishment as Bama-but I would like to see them get the death penalty, lose the title and the Heisman. This would set the proper tone for the future. It is time that colleges go back to placing academics, integrity, and honor first and quit selling out to the modern day multi-billion dollar sports industry.

Greensboro News & Record

May 17th, 2010
1:55 pm

…….Nesbitt for Hesman……..

Greensboro News & Record

May 17th, 2010
1:56 pm

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
1:57 pm

Billy, the thing with “don’t punish the entire team” is that there had to be some of the other players on there that knew something about this. Locker room talk, flashing the cash (house). Those kids should have reported it. Ahh, but that is never going to happen because Reggie was the star. You don’t want to rat out the program. Can’t blow the whistle on your team mates or you thrown under the bus. All the kids are trying to get to the NFL and made their home at USC.

Wilbur

May 17th, 2010
2:02 pm

Heck, if the NCAA is really serious about cleaning up college sports…let them require all incoming freshmen to meet each schools incoming freshman class admission requirements on college boards and HS GPA…..oh they don’t want do that…because they’d get sued by every attorney on the grounds of limiting minority rights to higher education and they’d get fired by their home institutions because the alumni donations would drop by about 75% and their athelic departments would be recruiting kids that normally go to DIII schools….my goodness it would look like 1960 all over again wouldn’t it.

Reptiles Rule

May 17th, 2010
2:22 pm

“Will” states in his 12:44 post…”It’s time to send a message to Myer (Meyer, I’ll guess), Kiffin and Saban that cheating will not be permitted anymore. Meyer and Saban???? Since when???? Will, I hate to tell you this, but KICKING YOUR BUTT is NOT an NCAA violation!

Reason (Trojan Alum)

May 17th, 2010
2:27 pm

The NCAA cannot take away what it doesn’t award. USC was the AP and BCS National Champions. Also, the NCAA cannot take away Heisman trophies because they don’t award them. Even if you take away Reggie bush’s contributions we still beat Oklahoma by multiple touchdowns in 2004. The NCAA has no solid evidence of any wrong doings accept for the testimony of a convicted felon, such evidence would not be admissible in a civil court. The allegations made against Reggie bush fall within 2005 season, if any wins were vacated it would be from that season. Trust me USC fans are trying to forget the 2005 Rose Bowl already, so who cares take those wins.

API blows

May 17th, 2010
2:31 pm

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

Your school is a cow college. You have a building that has “Dairy Science” written on it. You can drive through town and have a sociology degree thrown in your car window. It’s almost lost accredidation TWICE in 10 years. Oh, and they are 4 in the NCAA for most probations due to NCAA violations. They also had to pay off Terry Bowden to shut him up about Dye’s system of giving players $10,000 for signing with Auburn and a $600 a month allowance. Go wash your John Deere.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
2:41 pm

“Your school is a cow college.”

Yeah, Auburn does have a great Vet school. Why do you hate animals?

“You have a building that has “Dairy Science” written on it.”

OH NO!!!!!! NOT DAIRY!!!!!!!!!! You must think that dairy is a bad thing, moron.

“You can drive through town and have a sociology degree thrown in your car window.”

LOL! Ok, well at least we can get jobs outside of Tuscaloser.

“It’s almost lost accredidation TWICE in 10 years.”

LOL! You can’t even spell!!!!!!!! We ranked higher in the top 100 Universities than Bama, ma’am.

“Oh, and they are 4 in the NCAA for most probations due to NCAA violations.”

Proof please.

“They also had to pay off Terry Bowden ”

At least we didn’t have to fire a coach over prostitution.

John Deere? Dern, ya got me dare, ma’am. Last time I checked, John Deere’s were the top made lawn equipment in the country.

Guess your mom/sister didn’t teach you no common sense.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
2:55 pm

Lot of misinformation going on here. I see that a lot of people have the impression that Bama got nailed with lack of institutional control. Nope. We got hit hard with 3 major violations but none of them involved lack of institutional control. The heavy penalties were because of one out of control booster Logan Young buying players and this guy was a Vandy grad and not a Bama grad.

Of the 2 other major violations 2 private lawyers sued the NCAA to release docs that the NCAA thought they would never have to release. The fact of the matter is that the NCAA investigator Johannigmeir fabricated the evidence in one of the allegations. This was flat out proven in court documents. Not an opinion. It is a PROVEN FACT.

In the other allegation the testimony used against Bama was from Phil Fulmer and Tom Culpepper. The testimony of both men was contradictory, they ended up calling each other liars, and yet their testimony for some reason was used despite the fact that some, parts, or all of the testimony of 1 or both men was false given the numerous contradictions. So if one or both of the men’s testimony is false then how can the testimony of either be used?

The 2 high school coaches who were basically steering Albert Means to the highest bidder testified that Tenn, Ark, Bama, and 2 Big 10 teams were all bidding to get means. Why were the other schools left off the hook if the coaches said boosters for those schools were also bidding?

It is also a FACT that the NCAA ignored its own rules and bylaws in the Alabama case. Bama self reported one of the 3 major allegations and according to the NCAA’s own rules and bylaws the NCAA had a one year window to respond. They responded well after the 1 year window but then later ignored its own rules. What good is an organization that ignores its own rules and bylaws?

Bottom line is that nobody knows what the NCAA will do. Why? Because in the words of Danny Sheridan who sets the betting lines for USA Today and several of Vegas’s leading casinos “The NCAA is a corrupt and highly politicized organization that could not stand up to public nor congressional scrutiny”. Sheridan also wrote that its punishments were highly inconsistent, arbitrary, and capricious. And people think the NCAA will do the right thing one way or another? Gimme a break.

Dave

May 17th, 2010
2:57 pm

We already know what the NCAA has in terms of evidence. The NCAA is making a judgment call about USC’s compliance efforts — whether they were serious or simply for show. You can’t stop people determined to get around rules. You can only make a serious enough effort to make it difficult.

Which means it doesn’t matter whether or not Pete knew Lake and Michaels were funneling Bush cash and prizes. It only matters that they had access to the locker room.

The BCS will do nothing. They see it as just one more controversy and another set of POed members of Congress they don’t need, although I think they’re being short-sighted. The MNC is tainted enough already. This will just add fuel to that fire, which is more dangerous to their gaosl in the long run.

Dave

May 17th, 2010
3:00 pm

Tide Rising — just curious: why didn’t Alabama sue if the NCAA violated its own by-laws?

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
3:12 pm

Dave,

Alabama’s lawyers pointed this out both in our hearing and in our appeal. The ncaa simply ignored the fact that they ignored their own rules. You can do that when you answer to no one.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
3:24 pm

Dave,

One other thing. The private lawyers who sued the NCAA had nothing to do with the university’s appeal. They were Alabama grads who knew something was really afoul with the ncaa and sued on their own dime to expose the ncaa. They pretty much knew the NCAA wasn’t being factual with their investigation. The school itself was intimidated and just threw itself at the mercy of the NCAA. If Tommy Gallion and his law partner hadn’t sued to make the ncaa’s docs public then we would never have found out just how much crap they fabricated. On a side note on one of the 3 major allegations a player involved Kenny Smith and his mother sued the ncaa successfully. Turns out he was forced under pressure from Fulmer to go along with allegations against Bama which he ended up later recanting on and suing the ncaa and Fulmer over. And of course he won.

Steve Spurrier

May 17th, 2010
3:35 pm

Check with Klempsin. They had 150+ violations that were discovered afer their MNC and all they got was 2 years probation. Of course the Death Penalty was invented because of their cheating ways and SMU got it the next year. Klempsin kept the trophy. Pure BS.

Hoopie

May 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
3:40 pm

Tide Rising, “congressional scrutiny” LMAO. Clowns scrutinizing clowns. Maybe a squirting flower or hand buzzer might straighten out the NCAA.

TTRout

May 17th, 2010
3:40 pm

If this was an SEC team, they’d be under the “jail” by now. It’s absolutely atrocious this has dragged on so long – and that a deserving school lost a shot a National Title in 2004 because of cheaters.

5IML

May 17th, 2010
3:45 pm

You guys just don’t/can’t get it. Auburn did not play for the BCS championship in 2004 because no one (outside east Alabama) wants to watch them play. If USC was ineligible back then, some other team would have leapfrogged Auburn.

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
3:46 pm

Tide Rising, Fulmer brought Krispy Kreme to his deposition for the NCAA guys. You can’t beat that.

twobales

May 17th, 2010
3:48 pm

Hey KR, What do you mean you can’t retroactively award the runner-ups? They do it all the in Olympics. When they take a win away from a team for cheating, they take a L from the opposing team and give them a W. Better late and have justice then never. War Eagle!

gdawginkalamazoo

May 17th, 2010
3:53 pm

I saw the blurb where Kiffin is making 4 mil a year at USC. That’s slightly less than what Reggie Bush brought home.

BAMA STAN

May 17th, 2010
4:01 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

First – let’s all keep Jack Hairston’s family in our thoughts and prayers! Losing a family memeber – regardless of age or circumstance can be a tough thing.

Now – regarding this USC situation:
– It is unfair to compare the “SINS” of USC to ALABAMA – because they are not the same crime – and who knows how many – if any – USC coaches or officials knew what was going on.
– In ALABAMA’S CASE – let’s be REAL honest here – we were ARROGANT and very defiant to the NCAA. We had issues in the GENE STALLINGS era – AND did not learn our lesson. The next era MIKE DUBOSE – were much worse than Stallings. Paying off HS coaches, lying about it, affairs in the office, and other recruiting violations.

ALABAMA deserved every penalty that we received. Wholesale changes in personnel and thought process had to be made.

I am not bitter about the NCAA and their actions against ALABAMA – I am BITTER at the folks we entrusted the care of ALABAMA football. WE DID THE CRIME – we needed to be spanked – and spanked hard.

AS for USC – all I ask for is that the NCAA does NOT consider the school – but the proven violations – and be consistent with whatever punishment is handed down. Consistency!!!!!

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

“If USC was ineligible back then, some other team would have leapfrogged Auburn.”

Like who? Utah was the only other undefeated team and they didn’t play one ranked team their entire season. No one wants to watch Auburn? Really? Cause ESPN put 5 Auburn games on prime time, CBS put them on three times. Obviously SOMEONE wanted to watch them.

Fact: Auburn played and beat more ranked teams than ANY OTHER SCHOOL in 2004. Auburn set an ALL TIME NFL recruiting record.

Just to add insult to injury, Bama’s BCS national title game was less watched than LSU’s 11-2 BCS national title game.

OH WELL!!!!!!!

KR

May 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

twobales: I meant it would be pointless, particularly in the case of the BCS Championship Game.

Do you take the BCS title from USC and give it to Oklahoma? The team that many people said (and still say) didn’t belong in the game in the first place?

5IML: if you really think some other team would have leapfrogged Auburn in that scenario, you obviously know nothing about any football other than Alabama and should probably stop posting to save yourself embarrassment.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:04 pm

“we needed to be spanked – and spanked hard.”

Bama fans are freaks.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:05 pm

KR

Oklahomo played ONE ranked team in 2004. ESPN and CNNSI were all screaming that Auburn was overlooked. Only 6 teams in the SEC have gone undefeated in 30 years. Auburn did it twice as well as Bama. Difference is Bama got to play and win their championships.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:06 pm

“if you really think some other team would have leapfrogged Auburn in that scenario, you obviously know nothing about any football other than Alabama and should probably stop posting to save yourself embarrassment.”

She sounds like a Clemson fan. There were only 3 undefeated teams left in 2004/05. Auburn, USC and Utah.

What team would have leapfrogged Auburn?

billy boy

May 17th, 2010
4:12 pm

BamaStan – do you not think that SABAN and Meyer are cheating??? Give me a break! At least you fess up to Alabama’s past – Tide Rising sounds as if his hair is still standing on his back – LOL!

5IML

May 17th, 2010
4:15 pm

As I stated earlier, (nationally) no one wants to see Auburn football play for a championship of any kind. Does anyone reminder the year that Ole Miss almost won the West? No one wanted them to play in the SECCG. It would have been a rating and image (rebel flags) disaster. Luckily, for everyone, they spit the bit. Back to my original point, no one wants to watch Auburn play.

5IML

May 17th, 2010
4:18 pm

Gator Bob

May 17th, 2010
4:20 pm

Bama Stan – good post – agree with you for the most part. The NCAA has to weigh each punishment based on the the situation. In Alabama’s situation – they were all ready slapped on the wrist due to issues under the Stallings regime – and yet Duboses regime got caught with major issues. I agree that Alabama got what it deserved – and has done the right things to earn back credibility and respect.

As for USC – if USC officials knew of this situation during the season – and did not report anything – then I would hope that the NCAA would strip the wins of that year – and not recognize a National Champion.

Auburn was the team that ulitmately got hosed out of this deal – maybe Auburn sues USC and Reggie Bush for damages – lost publicity from opportunity to play in the National Title game.

george

May 17th, 2010
4:27 pm

screw the nazis at the ncaa. who needs these creeps? bottom line: reggie bush did not hurt anyone. he knew he would pay back any monies he, or his parents would receive before his graduation date or his playing days were over. the nfl was his ticket to riches and fame. the days of abject poverty and humiliation would finally come to an end.

NO BIG DEAL!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Compare and contrast 2004 to:”

Compare what? You only posted the ratings of 2010 championship.

“no one wants to see Auburn football play for a championship of any kind.”

You must be the most retarded person on this blog. Do you have the data to back up your asinine statement? NOPE!

“Does anyone reminder the year that Ole Miss almost won the West?”

Uh…..they were nowhere near winning the West.

“No one wanted them to play in the SECCG.”

Uh…..Ole Miss fans did, dumb a$$.

“Back to my original point, no one wants to watch Auburn play.”

Auburn fans do. If we go by your idiotic logic, no one outside of Tuscaloser would want to watch Bama play, no one outside of Athens would want to see UGAY play and no one outside of Gainesville would want to watch UF play.

Ma’am, you are one retarded person.

Atlanta Gator

May 17th, 2010
4:36 pm

Simple Answer: Yes.

The Trojans played an ineligible player, therefore all their games in which he played are forfeit. That’s the NCAA rule. Ask Alabama, ask FSU. Furthermore, a player can’t win the Heisman if you’re not eligible to play. Give it back.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:37 pm

“Auburn was the team that ulitmately got hosed out of this deal – maybe Auburn sues USC and Reggie Bush for damages – lost publicity from opportunity to play in the National Title game.”

GatorBob, remember one thing. Florida has never had an undefeated season. Yes Auburn got hosed but at least they can claim undefeated seasons.

13 to be exact.

gtgaytawhateva

May 17th, 2010
4:38 pm

Uga commits crime involving alcohol expired drivers licience, not spending of credit cards from deceased student body members(i.e. felonies), besides you will be leaving the peach state soon to go clean up oil slicks on your coastline, we’ll see ya!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:39 pm

5IML

As for your “rebel” remark, remember one thing. The saint Bear Bryant never wanted black people to play on his teams. It wasn’t until USC beat his teams a$$ did he even think about putting a black person on his team.

WAR DAMN EAGLE!

SEC fan

May 17th, 2010
4:41 pm

BAMA STAN -

Why is it that your posts are well thought-out yet you continue to (speaking about arrogance) use the bogus 13 titles in your post? You gain and lose credibilty at the same time. Be happy with the 8 you have. It’s more than the rest, it’s true and your elephant nose won’t continue to grow..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/305944-alabama-claims-12-national-championships-reality-claims-otherwise

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

SEC fan

I laughed so hard after this last national championship game when ESPN announced that Bama had just won their 8th title. Bama fans were HOWLING!!!!!!! It was so great.

The really funny thing is that NO team has actually won a national championship because the NCAA doesn’t hand them out in football.

Alphare

May 17th, 2010
4:53 pm

Forrest,

I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here. BAMA played in the BCS Championship game, and they won the game. So they won the championship, what’s wrong with that?

All systems are flawed. Why is NCAA basketball plays a one-game elimination? not 4 of 7 like baseball? Why Baseball plays 4 out of 7 instead of 3 out of 5?

It’s what it is. You do your best in the system and win, you are the champ. There is no sense to argue some one’s achievement if one goes thru the system.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Ever notice, fans of schools who cant win a national title always pull the “The NCAA doesnt recognize a football national champion” line? Guess you have to believe in something to feel better about what you root for.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

“Ever notice, fans of schools who cant win a national title always pull the “The NCAA doesnt recognize a football national champion” line?”

Uh, Auburn has a championship, moron. By the way, Tebow and Urban never beat Auburn. Oh well.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

gdawginkalamazoo,

You are correct sir! What the hell was I thinking about congressional scrutiny of the ncaa? One set of clowns looking after another set of clowns would be a very apt description as you say.

billy boy, That hair is indeed still bristling on my back.

forrest gump most famous grad,

Your statement that Bear never wanted blacks on his team is inaccurate. First of all you can’t see into the man’s soul so you have no business making that statment.

Secondly, the Alabama-USC game was one of if not possibly the most historic game ever played for the sheer fact that this one game opened the doors for integration of the black athlete in the deep south. Books have been written about this one game. How many other games can make that claim?

Bear was smarter than you think. He knew when he scheduled the game that we would probably take a beating. He knew that. And he knew that sooner or later integration was coming. He scheduled the game anyway despite opposition from alumni and administration pols.

In several books about Bear it is commonly known that he had no problem with integrating. He wasn’t the problem. The governor, the influential alumni, and white people in general in the south didn’t want integration.

To put off a delay in integration on bear is absurd. If you knew anything about Bear and his dirt poor background where his family was every bit as poor as many blacks than you would know that the man had some compassion for the plight of others like himself who came from very humble backgrounds, including blacks.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

“I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here.”

Well, maybe if you read the topic at hand you’d understand why Auburn fans were livid in 2004/05. If Bama had legitimately went undefeated, won their division and the SEC but got left out you’d be pissed too. You’d also be pissed if you found out the team that won the BCS may have cheated etc…

Make sense?

“So they won the championship, what’s wrong with that?”

Didn’t say anything was wrong with that.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:03 pm

“Your statement that Bear never wanted blacks on his team is inaccurate. First of all you can’t see into the man’s soul so you have no business making that statment.”

No, it’s 100% true.

“Books have been written about this one game.”

That’s exactly where I got my facts.

“Bear was smarter than you think.”

I never said he was dumb.

“If you knew anything about Bear and his dirt poor background where his family was every bit as poor as many blacks than you would know that the man had some compassion for the plight of others like himself who came from very humble backgrounds, including blacks.”

Cry me a river, ma’am.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

“How many other games can make that claim? ”

Remember the Titans…….

Alphare

May 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

I was pissed too when Auburn did not have the chance to play in the NC that year. I think there should be a rule that any undefeated SEC team be automatically in NC game.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
5:10 pm

Yes Forrest…Im quite sure you are proud of that national title 53 years ago. Too bad you never saw it happen.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:14 pm

“Im quite sure you are proud of that national title 53 years ago.”

Before Spurrier got to UF, Florida was just another Vandy. Oh, and Florida has never had an undefeated season. Oh well, it sure was fun seeing Tebow cry last year. Boo hoo.

“Too bad you never saw it happen.”

Awe, poor baby. Fact is, most bama fans blogging on here have only seen one national championship. At least Auburn doesn’t claim fake national titles.

Guess our penises are bigger than Bama or Florida fans. HA HA

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
5:14 pm

SEC Fan,

I tend to stick with the generally recognized idea that Bama has 8 national titles, tied with ND for the most. The claim of 13 doesn’t bother me that much though and here is why.

The ncaa officially credits us with 16. Since 1950 which is what ESPN and a lot of folks go by this would be no. 8. That is the most common number and the number I adhere to.

The others come from retroactive titles in 1925,26, 34, and 41. If you research each of those years there is no question we were the best team in 3 of those 4 years and that we beat supposedly the other best team each of those years in the rose bowl. 1941 is a bogus title even though we claim it. We don’t deserve that year.

In 1966 we got screwed out of it as we finished unbeaten and Mich st and ND played to a 10-10 tie and yet remained 1 and 2 while we stayed at 3rd. They stayed home while we destroyed Neb in the orange bowl to further our claim. Several books were written about the screwing of the 1966 team which Bear regarded as his greatest ever.

In 1945 we finished 3rd and unbeaten but army and navy finished ahead of us despite a tie. They finished ahead in a vote that was done in honor of the services right after the end of ww 2.

!977 ND pole vaulted us from 5th place in beating no. 1 texas which had 9 turnovers in their bowl game. We were third and destroyed Ohio state in our bowl game. Any fair comparison shows we were better than ND which lost to Ole Miss that year, a team we beat by 3 or 4 tds. We also beat a top 5 team in Neb and a top 10 team in washington that year.

Bottom line is that it all washes out. The reality is that Bama is the winningest team of the last 100 years. ND is about 10 wins behind us for 2nd place. You gotta figure that if we are the winningest program over that time span then we logically probably have the most

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:15 pm

“I think there should be a rule that any undefeated SEC team be automatically in NC game.”

Don’t tell that to Florida or LSU fans. Their teams are incapable of going undefeated.

Also, why do Florida players do so poorly in the NFL?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:17 pm

“The ncaa officially credits us with 16.”

That’s a flat out lie. The NCAA has never awarded any school with a national title.

“The reality is that Bama is the winningest team of the last 100 years.”

And Notre Dame and USC both have more championships than Bama. Notre Dame has more players in the NFL hall of fame.

How many Heisman’s does Bama have? Oh yeah, one………..

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:18 pm

“You gotta figure that if we are the winningest program over that time span then we logically probably have the most”

Yeah even though USC and Notre Dame have more championships than Bama. Yep, logic fail on Bama.

Bama history

May 17th, 2010
5:19 pm

What do maggots and Bama fans have in common?

Both can live off a dead bear for years.

Bama history

May 17th, 2010
5:20 pm

Some person wrote something about Ole Miss and rebel flags.

Alabama fraternity’s Confederate battle flag display probed

National leaders of the Kappa Alpha fraternity are investigating their Jacksonville State University chapter over the report of a display of the Confederate battle flag.

Larry Wiese, executive director of Kappa Alpha, said such a display at the fraternity house would violate the fraternity’s bylaws.

Southern chapters formerly held “Old South” parties and parades in which fraternity brothers and their dates wear Confederate army uniforms and antebellum dresses.

The organization’s national leaders agreed in January to ban all members from wearing Confederate uniforms at KA events. That decision followed an incident last year at the University of Alabama, where a truckload of uniformed Kappa Alphas parked in front of the chapter house of a black sorority.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
5:32 pm

Forrest Gump,

“Awe, poor baby. Fact is, most bama fans blogging on here have only seen one national championship. At least Auburn doesn’t claim fake national titles.

And did you actually write that AU has 13 undefeated seasons?
Guess our penises are bigger than Bama or Florida fans. HA HA”

Most Bama fans on here remmber the 92 national championship and I personally remember the 78 and 79 titles as a child.

On the NCAA website even though the NCAA doesn’t pick national champions it does have the listings of various poll champions and according to their site we have 16. Not a lie. Its right there on their site. Not saying I agree with the number either.

Secondly, I find it difficult to believe that an AU fan would read books about Bear Bryant. You say that several books are on record as Bear being against integrating blacks? I’m calling BS on that one.

I believe you yourself quoted earlier in a post that ESPN acknowledge Bama as having only 8 national titles. They also credit ND with 8 I believe and USC with 7. At least that’s what I’ve always seen. So how do one or both, especially USC, have more national titles?

As for Heismans who cares? Its an individual award that goes to one player and is largely nothing more than a popularity contest. How do you correlate individual awards like Heisman’s with team championships?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:37 pm

“And did you actually write that AU has 13 undefeated seasons?”

Yep.

“Most Bama fans on here remmber the 92 national championship and I personally remember the 78 and 79 titles as a child. ”

Are you most Bama fans? Nope.

“On the NCAA website even though the NCAA doesn’t pick national champions it does have the listings of various poll champions and according to their site we have 16.”

Such a contradictory line.

“Secondly, I find it difficult to believe that an AU fan would read books about Bear Bryant.”

I honestly don’t care what you find difficult.

“You say that several books are on record as Bear being against integrating blacks?”

Reread my comments.

“They also credit ND with 8 I believe and USC with 7.”

Wrong.

“As for Heismans who cares?’

LOL! Sure, and if Bama only had 1 NT you’d say the same thing. If Bama had 10 you gals would talk non-stop about how great Bama is.

“Its an individual award that goes to one player and is largely nothing more than a popularity contest.”

Huh, and here I was under the impression that it went to talent.

“How do you correlate individual awards like Heisman’s with team championships?”

Ask Herschel Walker, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinhert etc………

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:40 pm

Tide Rising, just for you.

8 Auburn teams have been awarded some form of “National Champions” title, though Auburn officially claims only the 1957 AP one. The NCAA’s website states that “the NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process”, but goes on to state that “a number of polling organizations provide a final ranking of Division I-A football teams at the end of each season”. The NCAA website lists four Auburn squads that have been named National Champions by at least one organization.[14] The following is the complete list of Auburn teams ranked No. 1 and some of the organizations that recognized them as National Champion:

1910 6–1 team Loren Maxwell
1913 undefeated 8–0 team Billingsley, James Howell, 1st-N-Goal
1914 undefeated 8–0–1 team James Howell
‘1957 undefeated 10–0 team Associated Press, Billingsley, Fleming, Football Research, Helms, James Howell, Massey Ratings, National Championship Foundation, Nutshell Sports, Poling, Sagarin, Sorensen, Williamson, David Wilson
1958 undefeated 9–0–1 team Montgomery Full Season Championship
1983 11–1 team ARGH, Billingsley, DKC, Eck, FACT, Fleming, Football Research, James Howell, Massey Ratings, New York Times, Nutshell Sports, Sorensen, Sparks Achievement, David Wilson, 1st-N-Goal
1993 undefeated 11–0 team Harry Frye, National Championship Foundation, Nutshell Sports, Sparks Achievement, David Wilson
2004 undefeated 13–0 team Darryl W. Perry, EFI, FansPoll, GBE, Golf Digest, Hank Trexler, M Cubed

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
5:41 pm

Gump,
Get over it. This blog is about USC and Reggie Bush but you’re trying to turn it into a personal crusade agaianst Bama, Baer Bryant, UF, Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer. Did I forget anyone? Go polish your War Chicken and give it a rest!

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
5:42 pm

Gump,
Can you tell us the dimensions of the cafeteria? You left that out of your last “novel”.

BAMA STAN

May 17th, 2010
5:43 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

Responding to Forrest Gump:
1. What team do you root for?
2. Regarding why Alabama officially claims 13 National Titles – http://blog.al.com/tidecorner/2010/03/why_alabama_can_claim_13_natio_1.html

The reality is – Alabama could acutally claim more National Titles – so could other schools as well.

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:46 pm

“Get over it. This blog is about USC and Reggie Bush but you’re trying to turn it into a personal crusade agaianst Bama”

You are retarded, ma’am. This blog is about USC and cheating which therefore directly links with Auburn. If USC is found to have cheated then Auburn will have a national title.

Go sell stupid somewhere else.

“Can you tell us the dimensions of the cafeteria?”

No, but I can give you the dimensions of your mom’s vagina. It’s 8.5 feet wide.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:47 pm

“1. What team do you root for?”

If you still haven’t figured that one out…….

“The reality is – Alabama could acutally claim more National Titles – so could other schools as well. ”

Of course they can and they have………

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
5:50 pm

Forrest Gump,

You are hilarious. Turns out AU does indeed have 11 undefeated seasons with some ties in there but not 13 as you say. Let me help you out with some of those undeated seasons. Let’s see

1893 AU went 3-0-2ties Yep. I reckon that’s unbeaten.
1897 2-0-1tie Wow. You’re burning it up
1900 4-0 You now have a 4 game unbeaten season
1904 5-0 You guys are badazz!
1913 8-0 More respectable but not a 10 win unbeaten season yet.
1914 8-0-1 Still not an unbeaten 10 game season.
1932 9-0-1 Still waiting on a legit 10 game unbeaten season
1957 10-0 Finally a legit 10 game or more unbeaten season
1958 9-0-1 Back to less than a 10 game unbeaten season
1957 10-0 good job bro
1993 11-0 Too bad you were on probation
2004 13-0 Tough luck the trojans didn’t get the pleasure of pounding you for the 3rd straight year after raping you 23-0 the year before in Jordan-Hare and 28-14 the year before that.

That would be 3 unbeaten seasons of 10 wins or more inlcuding one on probation. Not impressed mam.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
5:53 pm

Gump,
You gotta relax. You’re gonna have a stroke.
I do appreciate your sense of humor, though. Made me bust out laughing several times already.

Keep bringing the passion!

HAMMER USC, & Lame Kitten

May 17th, 2010
5:54 pm

After all the cheating that USC has done, allowing Reggie Bush & O.J. Mayo get away with receiving elligal benifits while at USC. USC should be hit extremely hard especially since it is becoming a continous situation. Last year it was McNight. Whats Next?

Im calling it right night. 3-5 years probation, 2-3 years bowl loss, and 21 Scholarships loss.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:55 pm

Tide Rising

Those early years were the same amount of games that every other team played. Blame it on the lack of football teams.

As far as 1913 goes, they were one of the only teams in history to have not allowed a single point the entire season by an opposing team. Bama can not say that.

“Tough luck the trojans didn’t get the pleasure of pounding you for the 3rd straight year after raping you 23-0 the year before in Jordan-Hare and 28-14 the year before that.”

Um, nice rhetoric there. Too bad you gals are still reeling over a 6 year beat down by Auburn.

Auburn 2004 and the 2009/10 Bammer squads both had similar numbers. Except for the fact that Bammer almost lost twice.

Just saying, ma’am.

“Not impressed mam.”

Ever notice that most Bama grads stay in Bama? Wonder why that is……

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
5:57 pm

“You gotta relax. You’re gonna have a stroke.”

I am? Gee, I didn’t know that you are an md.

“Made me bust out laughing several times already.”

That’s good to know.

BAMA STAN

May 17th, 2010
5:59 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

Forrest – here is another link reagrding the magic number: 13

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_NCAA_football_national_championships_has_University_of_Alabama_wons

and buddy – one more thing…………………………..

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:00 pm

Gump,
I’m not an MD…..but I DID sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
6:00 pm

Forrest….

Got to love when the only material fans who hate Florida have is when they have to try and reference 20 plus years ago to find something negative. Even then in the 80s Florida had points being ranked #1, did finish 1st in the SEC twice and never had a losing season in the decade. But whatever makes you feel good. As for Gator players in the pros. Yeah who won the rookie of the year last year? Who is the all time leading rusher in NFL history? What school did those pro bowl defensive players such as Wilber Marshall, Jevon Kearse, Kevin Carter, Jack Youngblood, Alex Brown, Louis Oliver, Mike Peterson, Lito Sheppard ect..play for? Or those offensive pro bowl players such as Fred Taylor, Jeff Mitchell, John L. Williams, Lomas Brown, Neal Anderson ect..play for? Sorry I couldnt continue with more names for you since I dont feel the need to name every single player from a school who ranks in the top 5 over the last 25 years in producing NFL players.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:01 pm

BAMA STAN

I guess your too too too stu…stu….pid to read what I wrote on the last page. Must be a Bammer thing. Not being able to read and all. Not to mention you gals can’t add.

“and buddy – one more thing…………………………..”

Yeah, Roll Tide……that’s like saying, GO KKK!!!!!!!

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:01 pm

Forrest Gump,

Now lets look at Bama’s unbeaten seasons

2009 14-0 Only 2nd team ever to do that, 1992 13-0, 1979 12-0, 1966 11-0, 1961 11-0, 1945 10-0, 1934 10-0, 1930 10-0, 1925 10-0. The difference between your seasons and ours is that in all of these seasons we were unbeaten and UNTIED. That would be 9 undefeated, untied seasons of 10 wins or more and at least 5 of them coming from the modern era of college football from the 1960s and forward. None of this crap from the 1800s or early 1900s when people played 3 to 5 games a year.

Now for our Auburnesque unbeaten seasons. 1936 8-0-1 oops- a tie plus we didn’t even win 10 games, 1926 9-0-1 another Auburnesque season,

and drumrolll please,

1897 we finished a blistering 1-0 for an undefeated season which parallels Auburn’s torrid undefeated seasons of 1893 3-0-2, 1897 2-0-1, 1900 4-0, and 1904 5-0.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:01 pm

“I’m not an MD…..but I DID sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night!”

Guess that’s all Bama grads can afford these days.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:04 pm

In case you din’t notice from my “name”, I’m not a Bama grad.
I’m a MUD LIZARD!!!!!!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:05 pm

“What school did those pro bowl defensive players such as Wilber Marshall, Jevon Kearse, Kevin Carter, Jack Youngblood, Alex Brown, Louis Oliver, Mike Peterson, Lito Sheppard ect..play for? Or those offensive pro bowl players such as Fred Taylor, Jeff Mitchell, John L. Williams, Lomas Brown, Neal Anderson ect..play for?”

Who?

“Even then in the 80s Florida had points being ranked #1, did finish 1st in the SEC twice and never had a losing season in the decade.”

Never said you gals had losing records in the 80s, ma’am. You gals had points for being ranked #1? Huh, I’m looking at Florida football teams from the 80’s and I don’t see any number one ranked teams.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:06 pm

“I’m a MUD LIZARD!!!!!!”

Oh, so you’re a Bama sorority sister…..

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:08 pm

“2009 14-0 Only 2nd team ever to do that”

Well, up until 2 years ago, no team played 14 games in a season.

“1897 we finished a blistering 1-0 for an undefeated season which parallels Auburn’s torrid undefeated seasons of 1893 3-0-2, 1897 2-0-1, 1900 4-0, and 1904 5-0.”

Maybe you should dig up the dead coaches and take it out on them, ma’am.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:09 pm

Guys, I think Patrick switched teams! He’s now pulling for the War Eagles….I mean Plainsmen…..no wait, I mean Tigers.
Oh well, I guess he just “pulls” for anybody except Bama and UF.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:09 pm

“I dont feel the need to name every single player from a school who ranks in the top 5 over the last 25 years in producing NFL players.”

You mean like Danny Wuerful and Rex Grossman? Where are they now?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:10 pm

Beast from the East

Well I could pull for the Crimson Tide….I mean Elephants……

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:12 pm

“Oh well, I guess he just “pulls” for anybody except Bama and UF.”

Who is Patrick and why are you paranoid?

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:16 pm

Forrest Gump,

Its quite funny to watch you try to rationalize counting 2-0-1 and 3-0-2 as undefeated seasons. Quite amusing. I’m sure the neutral posters on here are getting a kick out of it.

What was that about us trying to get over 6 straight beatdowns? I’m sorry I didn’t realize we were living in the past. Since you want to livin in the past we can talk about whupping you 11 in a row at one point in the 70s and early 80s. But I just assume look at the current streak which is 2 in a row and about to be 3. What is it something like 900 days since you guys last beat us?

What was that about the AU 2004 team and the Bama 2009 team having similar numbers except that Bama almost lost twice? Shoulda, coulda, woulda, if, if, if. Sorry dude all I know is that when the final horn sounded we had more points at the end of the UT and AU game. Sorry that you couldn’t stop us on that epic 72 yard drive to finish you after we spotted you a 14 pt first qtr lead. We won 2 close games by 7 pts.

Sometimes I have to wonder just how stupid you really are. Did AU not have any close games in 2004? Uh, you might want to check your revisionist history there buddy. You beat LSU 10-9 in a game in which LSU just plain ran out of time. And what about edging an okay but not great VT team in a bowl game 16-13? Do we need to talk about the VT tight end dropping a 1 yd td pass in the 4th qtr that would have won the game for VT? No. We don’t need to talk about it because I don’t play that shoulda, coulda, woulda crap that you play. Seems to me the 2 close games you won by 4 pts is worse than the 2 close games we won by 7 points. Or is that math too complicated for you?

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:16 pm

Patrick is some idiot from out in California. He drives tractor-trailers for a living and posts non-stop with stats about how great Coach Richt is over in Athens. He’s tried to sell him to anyone and everyone that will listen. Not calling you an idiot, but arguing with you is about the same as trying to argue with Patrick. It’ll never get anywhere. He keeps spilling “facts” (as he sees them), while you just keep hurling insults. I pretty much find both amusing.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
6:18 pm

Forrest…come on as a Auburn fan surely you know that in 1985 after UF defeated Auburn, they were ranked #1 by every poll going into the Georgia game.

Ley

May 17th, 2010
6:19 pm

The reality of this whole thing is :
1.) USC chaeats and always has.
2.) They just claim the, DUH we didnt know, clause!
3.) The NCAA didn’t even investigate the Joe McNight car incident.
4.) A booster paid off Reggies Lawsuit so that the NCAA wouldn’t have access to the court manuscripts!
5.) Pete admitted to having ellegal coaches on the Dan Patrick Show.
6.) Just be glad your team is not as sleazy and doesn’t cheat like USC/Raiders????

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:20 pm

Forrest Gump,

Didn’t Ohio State go 14-0 in 2002?

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
6:20 pm

Forrest…when you have to ask who guys are like Wilbur Marshall, Jevon Kearse and Jack Youngblood are, your ability to judge what schools are good at producing NFL talent goes right out the window. By the way, hows that Auburn sack leader Quentin Groves doing in the NFL?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:26 pm

“Its quite funny to watch you try to rationalize counting 2-0-1 and 3-0-2 as undefeated seasons.”

I never said anything about those teams, ma’am. Your words not mine.

“I’m sorry I didn’t realize we were living in the past. ”

So why are you bringing up old Bama seasons, ma’am? Contradict much?

“We won 2 close games by 7 pts. ”

“W 26–21″

Again, you fail simple math. Your team beat us by 5 points. Not 7.

“Sometimes I have to wonder just how stupid you really are. Did AU not have any close games in 2004?”

LOL!!! Coming from a gal who’s repeatedly put her foot in her mouth by writing things that I never wrote. Auburn had ONE close game and that was to LSU, the DEFENDING NC. No one else came close.

“And what about edging an okay but not great VT team in a bowl game 16-13?

We led the entire game. VT never led at any point in the game.

“You beat LSU 10-9 in a game in which LSU just plain ran out of time.”

We beat your daddy Saban.

“Or is that math too complicated for you?”

Whatever you say, 7 pointer! LOLOL

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:27 pm

“He keeps spilling “facts” (as he sees them), while you just keep hurling insults. ”

Oh cry me a river.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:29 pm

“Didn’t Ohio State go 14-0 in 2002?”

Yep. Don’t know what to tell you. 14 games were not scheduled in 2004 for any team. USC 13-0, Auburn 13-0…….

Maybe Ohio State had to play an extra game to make up for their easy scheduling.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:29 pm

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:08 pm
“2009 14-0 Only 2nd team ever to do that”

“Well, up until 2 years ago, no team played 14 games in a season.”

Forrest, Really? Its only in the last 2 years that we’ve played 14 games in a season? Mmmmmh!

What about Ohio State going 14-0 in 2002?
Or LSU going 13-1 in 2003?
Or how about every year since 2006 when Florida went 13-1? LSU 12-2 in 2007?

Its only in the last 2 years that anybody has played 14 game seasons? Wow! Are we revising a little more history there Forrest???

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:30 pm

kgator79

You don’t understand jokes do ya? Guess all that 100+ humidity down in Gainsville fried your brain cells.

Whatever happened to Chris Leak?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:31 pm

“What about Ohio State going 14-0 in 2002?
Or LSU going 13-1 in 2003?
Or how about every year since 2006 when Florida went 13-1? LSU 12-2 in 2007? ”

Don’t know ma’am. You were screaming about Bama going 14-0. Florida has never gone undefeated. LSU? I have no idea.

As for Auburn 2004, no they didn’t play 14 games. Neither did USC or Oklahomo. Not sure why.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:32 pm

“Its only in the last 2 years that anybody has played 14 game seasons? Wow! Are we revising a little more history there Forrest???”

Guess I should have rephrased that statement, ma’am.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:34 pm

Tide Rising

Another thing I love is when Bama fans make fun of Auburn for playing the Citadel in 2004 as if that is the worst team in the country.

Here are 3 crappy teams that Bama played last year.

Florida International

North Texas

Tennessee-Chattanooga

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:34 pm

Gump,
If we took a poll on here, I’m sure I wouldn’t be labeled as the one crying. I’m not the one who’s handle is trying to degrade my in-state rival (jealousy). I’m also not the one hurling insults at anyone who disagrees with me (insecurity). I’m not the one who keeps calling everyone ma’am (homophobic).
I find peace in knwoing that you would NEVER insult me face to face. I’m a pretty big guy and I can more than handle my own. That’s why I don’t have to resort to name calling from behind a computer. But, hey….whatver gets you through life, dude.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:34 pm

Forrest,

Maybe you’re having reading comprehension problems. I stated that we won 2 close games by a total of 7 pts. 26-21 over AU and 12-10 over UT. 5 plus 2 is 7. You won 2 close games by a grand total of 4 points.

Ooops. Wait a minute. According to your logic or illogic for that matter 16-13 is not a close game. Apparently you blew the hokies out of the stadium and the rest of us are just unaware that the 16-13 game was actually a blowout.

How is it that 26-21 is a “close” game but 16-13 is not a “close” game? I have to admit. You have me utterly dumbfounded on that one.

Can anyone else on here help out with that logic? Can someone help me understand how 26-21 is a close game but 16-13 is not a close game?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:36 pm

“By the way, hows that Auburn sack leader Quentin Groves doing in the NFL?”

He plays for the Raiders. Also, he had heart surgery, a-hole.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:38 pm

“I’m not the one who’s handle is trying to degrade my in-state rival (jealousy). ”

LOL!!!!!! Right, ma’am!

“I’m not the one who keeps calling everyone ma’am (homophobic).”

??????????????????????? Whatever you say Jesse Jackson.

“I find peace in knwoing that you would NEVER insult me face to face. I’m a pretty big guy and I can more than handle my own.”

Yeah, you must be big compared to your computer screen. But no, I don’t make fun of grossly obese people like you.

“That’s why I don’t have to resort to name calling from behind a computer.’

Pot meet kettle.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:38 pm

Beast from the east,

I think you’re right about the homophobic thing. He keeps referring to everyone as mam and then I noticed he calls a proud program like Oklahoma Oklahomo. I’m starting to think he’s got some denial issues about his sexuality.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:41 pm

“I stated that we won 2 close games by a total of 7 pts.”

I guess Bama didn’t teach you proper grammar. Oh well.

“You won 2 close games by a grand total of 4 points.’

We only trailed ONE of those two teams, ma’am. And it happened to be Nick Sabans LSU Tigers.

“Apparently you blew the hokies out of the stadium and the rest of us are just unaware that the 16-13 game was actually a blowout.”

USC escaped them at the beginning of that same season when VT was not ranked.

“How is it that 26-21 is a “close” game but 16-13 is not a “close” game?”

Never said it wasn’t a close game, ma’am. Again, you fail basic reading. I said that Auburn never TRAILED that game against VT. Bama trailed 4 quarters of the Auburn game.

“Can someone help me understand how 26-21 is a close game but 16-13 is not a close game?”

Stupid much?

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:42 pm

Tide,
He’s just a big ol’ mean War Damn Eagle! LOL
I mean really, who’s afraid of a bird?

Gump,
Keep bringing it for the 2nd place team in Alabama and the 4th place team in the West! You da man!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:43 pm

“I think you’re right about the homophobic thing.”

Please explain my calling you and Beast a girl and somehow connecting that with homophobia?

Me thinks your IQ is that of a carrot.

“Oklahoma Oklahomo.”

Oh, now I see. If you’ve ever been outside the state of Alabama, which you obviously haven’t been, you’d know that calling Oklahoma, Oklahomo is a running joke in Texas.

Then again, you have the IQ of a carrot.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:44 pm

Forrest Gump,

We may have accidentally stumbled upon one small point of agreement. I don’t make fun of AU for scheduling the citadel in 2004. I do point out that AU had a really weak noncon schedule that year and that ultimately that double aa opponent hurt them in their bcs points. The experts also largley seemed to agree that the ooc schedule ultimately is what did AU in that year. The fact of the matter is that we all play 2-3 patsys a year. Florida gets a break because they play FSU which in year’s past has been a national power and in the future probably will be again. We played VT last year, penn state this year, and then have 3 patsys. Pretty much every one does it. Georgia played a little tougher schedule the last 2 years with both Tech and OK state out of conference and then 2 patsys. Bottom line we can all make fun of the patsys each of us play but we all play them along with normally 2 decent ooc opponents like what Georgia did the last couple years or one big time ooc opponent and 3 patsys like we’ve been doing and like Florida normally does except that FSU has been down these last few years.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:44 pm

“I mean really, who’s afraid of a bird? ”

By all means, go mess with a 5 foot tall Golden Eagle. I’ll be sure to visit you in the hospital. At least our mascot isn’t a circus attraction.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:45 pm

“Keep bringing it for the 2nd place team in Alabama and the 4th place team in the West! You da man!”

Sure thing there Nathan Bedford.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
6:46 pm

Forrest…Funny how quickly we become defensive when someone brings up an Auburn player who is a bust huh?

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:47 pm

By the way, Gump. How’s that re-tread, laptop throwing QB working out for “Cheesecake”? Is he gonna bring home the trophy for the Plainsmen? Be careful he doesn’t throw it out the window. He’s got a habit of doing that type of thing.
Hope you enjoy cheering for our rejects! If he doesn’t work out, I heard Mettenberger is looking for a place to play.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:47 pm

“I do point out that AU had a really weak noncon schedule that year and that ultimately that double aa opponent hurt them in their bcs points.”

So even though AU beat 5 top ten teams in one season, they suck? Hum…..

Every team plays crappy teams. USC has to schedule non-con opponents because……THE PAC-10 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same with Ohio State, which by the way, has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game. Ever.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:48 pm

“Funny how quickly we become defensive when someone brings up an Auburn player who is a bust huh?”

Whatever you say, Danny Weurfal/Rex Grossman!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:50 pm

“How’s that re-tread, laptop throwing QB working out for “Cheesecake””

Well, one, he is a top rated qb. Second, even Florida fans/grads said that the laptop incident was overhyped. But hey, your team still has players who beat up women on the field.

Spikes anyone?

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:50 pm

Beast from the east,

Since we’ve whupped AU now 2 years in a row I got forrest over here shining my replica of the bcs trophy. When he’s done I’ll send him down to gainesville to shine your trophies. Since we’ll be getting together again in the seccg(AU will be at home) you can bring him back up. The winner will more than likely win the national title again and since we don’t know yet which of the 2 of us will win the game and hence the bcs again go ahead and bring him back up. If we win I’ll take him home to let him shine a yet to come 2010 bcs trophy and if you win then you just take him back to Gainesville to shine a future 2010 trophy. Deal?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:50 pm

“Hope you enjoy cheering for our rejects!”

But I don’t cheer for Chris Leak or Rex Grossman.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:52 pm

“I got forrest over here shining my replica of the bcs trophy. ”

Well, I got yer mom/sister over here shining my knob.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:53 pm

Tide, I think we’ll pass. He’d probably drop it!

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:53 pm

Forrest,

AU had an excellent team in 2004. I’m not denying that. All I’m saying is that ultimately the weak ooc schedule is what kept them out of the bcs title game. All the voters, analysts, talking heads, etc. seemed to collectively believe that is what held AU back and put OU in the game.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:54 pm

“He’d probably drop it!”

Nah, I’d urinate on it.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:55 pm

Brandon Spikes. I couldn’t have been prouder after all of the cheap shots the Dawgs were taking early in that game. We don’t get mad down in Gainesville……WE GET EVEN!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:55 pm

“All I’m saying is that ultimately the weak ooc schedule is what kept them out of the bcs title game.”

No, actually their ranking at the beginning of the season kept them out. Besides, their schedule was tougher than USC and OklaHOMO.

Just sayin…..

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:56 pm

Forrest,

I’m actually enjoying your banter. I have to admit I laughed out loud when you wrote that I had the IQ of a carrot. That was genuinely funny. But the nonsense about my mom/sister shining your knob is just childish. Get back to being witty like with the carrot/IQ comment. You can do better than childish I got your mom/sister jokes. I got faith in ya.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:56 pm

“I couldn’t have been prouder after all of the cheap shots the Dawgs were taking early in that game.”

Why do you cheer when women bulldawg players get beaten up by thugs?

I guess you love violence against women. Shame on you.

“WE GET EVEN!”

Every time you get even, Tebow cries.

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
6:57 pm

Forrest….name one player who has played on the field under meyer after beating up a woman.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:57 pm

“But the nonsense about my mom/sister shining your knob is just childish.”

Awe…..

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
6:58 pm

Forrest,

You would urinate on the bcs trophy? I guess that’s just human nature. People always resent and envy those things which they themselves do not have.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:58 pm

“name one player who has played on the field under meyer after beating up a woman.”

Spikes. He beat up that woman UGAY player.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
6:59 pm

“People always resent and envy those things which they themselves do not have.”

Then that would be you as well seeing that YOU personally don’t have a national title.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
6:59 pm

Women bulldawg players? Haven’t you heard? They have the best recruiting classes ever! They put more players in the pros than anyone. They just get hosed by the refs and because they have to play UF in J’ville every year. It’s so not fair!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:01 pm

“They put more players in the pros than anyone.’

They must have not heard of Notre Dame or USC. Matt Stafford is awesome!!!!! He went 2-13 last season!!!!!!

kgator79

May 17th, 2010
7:01 pm

yeah Cam Newton is such a top rated QB that not many were after him except Miss. State, Tennessee and Auburn all schools that are pretty messed up at the QB position. Even when he was at Florida he was not showing much of anything and fell to 3rd on the depth chart in 2008 behind Brantley. But glad your happy with your backup gator QB.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:01 pm

Now forrest is calling the bulldog players women. Is there anyone this guy doesn’t insult? Kinda funny actually.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:02 pm

But you gotta admit, the kid is gettin’ PAID!
Hell, I’d play for the Dawgs for that kind of money!

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:02 pm

kgator79,

Wouldn’t that have made him the Florida backup backup qb instead of just your backup qb?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:04 pm

“yeah Cam Newton is such a top rated QB”

5 star rated qb, ma’am.

“Even when he was at Florida he was not showing much of anything and fell to 3rd on the depth chart in 2008 behind Brantley.”

You’ll be missing Tebow, ma’am.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:05 pm

I just noticed that Forrest wrote “that woman UGAY player”. And earlier it was not one but 2 references to OklaHOMO. No doubt about it. This guy has either issues with women or homophobic issues.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:06 pm

“Now forrest is calling the bulldog players women.”

You don’t get jokes, do you?

“Wouldn’t that have made him the Florida backup backup qb instead of just your backup qb?”

I have an idea, let’s wait and see what happens THIS year. You gals fail to understand that last years Auburn squad was reeling from a Tuberville screw up. It’s not like we could go out and fork over 100 million dollars to a Nick Saban…….

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:06 pm

Seriously, I was impressed with Cam Newton’s physical abilities. Kind of reminded me of Jamarcus Russell with a motor. Never did get to see too much of him on the field because of Tebow. I hope it all works out for him over there in Auburn. Just made a few really stupid mistakes.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:07 pm

“This guy has either issues with women or homophobic issues.’

Look ma’am, if you’re gay and I insulted you, sorry. If you can’t handle simple humor then that’s your problem. Go take it up with Rosie O’Donnell.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:08 pm

“Just made a few really stupid mistakes.”

Like all athletes.

Hairy Dawg

May 17th, 2010
7:10 pm

Theres only one word for the things happening – Jim Thorpe. Reg Bush did same as Thropes and he screwed over for winning. Got to be giving credits to USC for goning for the wins and Dawgs got to be doing it to as we get ridding us of Adams-Evans. Then we play for titles with SEC speed with talents better than Bushs. As long we got Adams-Evans we holding back and not commintting to the winning.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:10 pm

Gump, I’m still not sure about Chizik. Didn’t come with mush of a resume and I was really surprised when he was named the HC. I was impressed with how Auburn competed last year after the whole Tuberville fiasco. I’ll be interested to see how he does in the next 2-3 years when he can get some of his own recruits on the field. What do Auburn fans think of him?

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:11 pm

Forrest,

Go take it up with Rosie O’donnel. You’re getting better again cause I did in fact laugh about that one. Still chuckling. Got anything more?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:12 pm

“I’m still not sure about Chizik.”

So? Let him coach.

“Didn’t come with mush of a resume”

So, being at Auburn in 2004 and Texas in 2005 didn’t do anything for you?

“What do Auburn fans think of him?”

We give him the benefit of the doubt.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:13 pm

“Got anything more?”

Tons. But you;’ll just call me a homophobe, racist etc……..

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:15 pm

Beast,

Tubbs did a horrendous job recruiting his last 2 years so Auburn’s sophomore and junior classes are terrible. They do have a really good senior class this year of something like 26 players. Cheezik will probably have a decent 8-4 campaign, go to a 2nd tier bowl, and Malzahn will probably get that head coaching job that will open up somewhere. Then Cheezik will have 2 really weak upper classmen jr and sr classes the next 2 years and will regress back to subpar records and get fired in 2012 or 2013.

Reggie

May 17th, 2010
7:16 pm

I met an attorney who said the ncaaZis have to be on the take $$$. No other explanation for their inconsistent punishments.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:16 pm

I was talking about his resume as a head coach. Not very impressive. I would have thought they would go after a HC with a history of winning AS A HEAD COACH. But like I said, I was impressed with the effort they gave last year. Time will tell.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:18 pm

“Cheezik will probably have a decent 8-4 campaign, go to a 2nd tier bowl, and Malzahn will probably get that head coaching job that will open up somewhere. Then Cheezik will have 2 really weak upper classmen jr and sr classes the next 2 years and will regress back to subpar records and get fired in 2012 or 2013.”

Then again, Bama fans said that Mike Debose and that guy who got fired for prostitution would bring home a national championship…..

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:18 pm

Forrest,

Actually Coach Cheezik did fantastic in his last year at Iowa State. He only went 2-12 but he did put the whupping on double aa North Dakota State and also Murray State. Don’t mess with the Cheezik.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:18 pm

“I would have thought they would go after a HC with a history of winning AS A HEAD COACH.’

Like who? Not many great coaches out there.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:18 pm

Tide, all I can say is…OUCH! That’s not a very optimistic POV.
Let’s just say you’re not a huge Auburn guy and leave it at that.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

Tide Rising

Yeah, and Nick Saban did awesome in the NFL. He was so damn impressive.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

Reggie,

That wouldn’t surprise me. Its a corrupt, politicized organization that is answerable to no one.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

“Tide, all I can say is…OUCH! That’s not a very optimistic POV.’

Yeah, well Bammer fans still celebrate the Civil War in their frat houses. What can you say?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:20 pm

“Its a corrupt, politicized organization that is answerable to no one.”

That sums up Bama to a T.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:21 pm

Beast,

It is what it is. Cheezik owns North Dakota State! Murray State too!

Forrest,

Saban in the NFL? Who cares? What relevancy does that have to do with what he has done at Bama?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:22 pm

“What relevancy does that have to do with what he has done at Bama?”

Says he’s a quitter who runs away……much like he did at LSU.

“Saban in the NFL? Who cares?”

Uh……the NFL……..

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

“Like who? Not many great coaches out there.”
Well, they could have made a run at the guy from Bosie St., Cincinnati, UNC and Pitt to name a few. I just remember us hiring the Zooker (which I still love) in a panic and it did not turn out very well. He was a great recruiter, but couldn’t keep his emotions in check and totally lacked discipline.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

Forrest,

good one. I like it the one about it fits bama to a T. But it doesn’t compare to the well known installemtn plan AU had for players under Pat Dye. But his plan made sense that certain positions like Tailback get paid more than a position like offensive guard.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:25 pm

“Well, they could have made a run at the guy from Bosie St., Cincinnati, UNC and Pitt to name a few. ”

Boise States coach was not available. As for Cincy and UNC, they were both NOT on the radar.

TCU’s coach was.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:25 pm

Saban is a quitter who ran away from LSU after winning a national title? Huh? No ma’am. A quitter would be a guy who leaves Iowa State after going 5-17 over 2 years. THAT would be a quitter.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

“But it doesn’t compare to the well known installemtn plan AU had for players under Pat Dye.’

Like who? Frank Thomas was never paid. Neither was Stephen Davis…..

Pat Dye would kick your a$$ for saying that. Mean dude.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

Forrest,

What the hell does the NFL care if Saban coached or didn’t coach there? If he won or didn’t win? Make some sense child. You’re starting to disappoint me.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:27 pm

Forrest,

Tell Pat Dye to shut up and go deliver Eric Ramsey his free steaks.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:28 pm

“Saban is a quitter who ran away from LSU after winning a national title?”

Yep, after his LSU Tigers had to share with USC who cried about it.

“A quitter would be a guy who leaves Iowa State after going 5-17 over 2 years.”

No, that’s called leaving a crappy school to go to a much better school.

Honestly, the AU athletic board is full of retards. AU has plenty of money to go out and buy a Nick Saban or an Urban Meyer. Why they don’t is beyond me.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:28 pm

It’s safe to say Saban didn’t fare too well in the NFL (see Spurrier). But you certainly can’t argue with his success at the college level. Seems to run a tight ship. I think he did just like Spurrier. Thought he needed to try it at the next level but found out it was a TOTALLY different game. Then came back to what he realized he truly loved….coaching college ball. I don’t fault either one of them for that. I’m sure there are some Gators and plenty of LSU fans that don’t share my feelings, but you can’t please everyone.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:31 pm

“Tell Pat Dye to shut up and go deliver Eric Ramsey his free steaks.”

Sure, after you go tell Antonio Langham’s sport agent to pay for yours!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:32 pm

“Then came back to what he realized he truly loved…money.”

FYT

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:32 pm

What people forget is that Saban took over a Dolphins franchise that was terrible. In his 2nd year he had the dolphins on a 6 game winning streak before the pursuit of him by Bama became public. The dolphins then lost their last 4 to finish the season. But people forget that they were rolling with 6 straight wins before the news broke that Bama was pursuing him. There is a reason why dolphins owner Wayne Heizenga countered the Bama offer of 4 million a year and offered 5 million a year to Saban to stay. But I guess Forrest here probably is smarter than a billionair like Wayne Heizenga.

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
7:33 pm

I’m not sure but I think Saban actually took a pay cut to come to Bama. I’m sure Tide can let us know for sure.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:34 pm

Forrest,

Please explain your logic. If Saban took a one million dollar pay cut to come back to the college game then how is it that he’s all about the money? Splain that one child.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:34 pm

Tide Rising

Who was the first player Saban recruited in his first year as head coach?

Hint: An Auburn running back…..

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:35 pm

“If Saban took a one million dollar pay cut to come back to the college game then how is it that he’s all about the money?”

4 million/per year. 1 million if he won a national championship. Yep, chump change……..

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:35 pm

Beast,

Not just a pay cut but a million dollar a year pay cut. Bottom line is that he just didn’t enjoy coaching at the pro level.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:35 pm

“Splain that one child.”

Is that the best you can do, ma’am?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:36 pm

“Bottom line is that he just COULDN’T coach at the pro level.”

FYT, ma’am.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:37 pm

“What people forget is that Saban took over a Dolphins franchise that was terrible.”

Oh, so then Saban is really stupid? I mean if he left a great program to go to a terrible one and could not handle it……….

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:38 pm

Forrest,

I’ve seen the news details of the Bama contract. It was in the news since he’s a public employee and his pay is a matter of public record. I don’t think he gets a million dollar payday for winning the bcs. Provide your source please. And likewise if he gets bonused for winning the bcs and can max out at 5 million then he wouldn’t he likewise have incentive packages with the Dolphins which would have likewise pushed his overall pay from a base pay of 5 mill to a 6 million or more payout for winning a super bowl? Try to keep up with the logic child.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:40 pm

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:36 pm
“Bottom line is that he just COULDN’T coach at the pro level.”

FYT, ma’am.

Forrest, If that’s true then why did Heizenga try to keep him and outspend Alabama? Can’t wait to see your logic on this one.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:43 pm

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:37 pm
“What people forget is that Saban took over a Dolphins franchise that was terrible.”

“Oh, so then Saban is really stupid? I mean if he left a great program to go to a terrible one and could not handle it……….”

Forrest,

Child are you just plain stupid? The whole reason coaches get fired and jobs become available is generally because a program has declined. Hence when there is a job opening its because a coach got fired for nonperformance and the new coach is coming into the job to try and turn things around. You can’t possibly be that stupid? Or can you?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:45 pm

“Forrest, If that’s true then why did Heizenga try to keep him and outspend Alabama?’

LOL! He left the NFL because he knew he couldn’t win there. Obviously his only choice was to abandon ship and head to bama.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:45 pm

Forrest,

Its also called taking on a challenge. Saban had already reached the pinnacle of college football by winning a national title. The only place to go from there is to take on a pro job as a challenge. And how many pro jobs typically became available where the team and franchise are winning and are in great shape? Not many.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:47 pm

Forrest,

If he couldn’t win at Miami then how is it the dolphins were on a 6 game winning streak when news broke of Bama going after Saban?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:47 pm

“Child are you just plain stupid?’

Do you always steal insults and play them off as your own? YES YOU CAN!!! Moron.

“The whole reason coaches get fired and jobs become available is generally because a program has declined.’

Bama wrote the book on that one. Shula, Debose, Curry, Price………

“You can’t possibly be that stupid?”

Considering you can’t count or spell…………

Troglodyte much? Oh, go ahead ma’am, grab the dictionary and look that word up before you put your foot in your mouth again.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:48 pm

“If he couldn’t win at Miami then how is it the dolphins were on a 6 game winning streak ”

OH WOW!!!! A six game win streak!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait, no Super Bowl……..

Oh well….

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:48 pm

Troglodyte is someone who lives in a cave.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:49 pm

“Saban had already reached the pinnacle of college football by winning a national title.”

You mean, sharing a national title is the pinnacle of college football?

“And how many pro jobs typically became available where the team and franchise are winning and are in great shape?”

Not arguing that ma’am. I actually agree with you there.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:50 pm

“Troglodyte is someone who lives in a cave.”

YEEEEEE, you know who and where you live!!!!!!

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:51 pm

Forrest,

Given the speed of my response its pretty obvious I didn’t have to use a dictionary to look that one up. Child you’re not as bright as you think. And if there are is any poor spelling in my posts its due to typos and not spelling errors. Did you learn your big word of the day and decide to wear it out as much as you could? You definitely have some work to do as far as your thinking skills go.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:53 pm

Forrest,

I’ll be you live in a trailer. Double wide too! I’m right aren’t I?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:54 pm

“Given the speed of my response its pretty obvious I didn’t have to use a dictionary to look that one up”

Yeah, cause it takes an average of 5.5 seconds to look words up on dictionary.com.

“Child you’re not as bright as you think.”

Duke alum, ma’am.

“Did you learn your big word of the day and decide to wear it out as much as you could?”

Nope, I learned that word in kindergarten to make fun of public school kids in Alabama.

“You definitely have some work to do as far as your thinking skills go.”

Whatever you say, ma’am.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:55 pm

“I’ll be you live in a trailer. ”

Grammar fail, ma’am.

“Double wide too! I’m right aren’t I?’

But ma’am, I didn’t go to the U of Bama. If I wanted to live in a trailer I’d have moved to Tuscaloser.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
7:58 pm

Forrest,

I know several Dook grads. You’re not smart enough to be a Duke grad. I can tell because your thinking skills are sorely lacking. You’re an AU grad if you even graduated. That’s why you’re so vociferous in your defense of AU. Do you need to look that word up child? The dook and Wake grads I know simply aren’t as childish as you. Not a one of em and that’s how I know you’re lying.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
7:58 pm

Tide Rising

It has truly been a hoot sparing with you. I have to go eat din din with my wife. I’ll be rooting for Bama come bowl season. I won’t like it but I’ll root for you gals to win another one against Ohio State or Nebraska…

Later, ma’am.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
8:00 pm

Forrest,

I’ll bet. Once again you just can’t tell the difference between a typo and truly poor grammar. You can’t type very fast either apparently.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
8:01 pm

“You’re not smart enough to be a Duke grad.”

Uh huh, you can tell all that by reading a blog about football. You must be big in the psychic world.

“You’re an AU grad if you even graduated. ”

Actually, my mom’s side all went to Auburn and my dad’s side went to Bama.

“Do you need to look that word up child?”

No ma’am I don’t. Learned me that werd in first grade.

“The dook and Wake grads I know simply aren’t as childish as you.”

Ever been to a basketball game?

“Not a one of em and that’s how I know you’re lying.’

If you can tell all that by reading a few comments on a blog then you need to go work for the CIA.

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

Forrest,

I was thinking the same thing. I’ve got to go. But its been fun sparring with you (not sparing) and we will do so again.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

“Once again you just can’t tell the difference between a typo and truly poor grammar.”

LOL! You still don’t get jokes do you ma’am?

“You can’t type very fast either apparently.”

OH NO!!!!!!! You hurt my whittle feelings! LOL

Tide Rising

May 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

Forrest,

I am a full time psychic and yes I am huge in the psychic world. For example I can already phropesize that Bama will destroy AU later in the year. My CIA job is just something I moonlight at. We’ll joust later.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
8:06 pm

“Bama will destroy AU later in the year.”

Saban is sub par against Auburn. Just saying….

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
8:13 pm

OK, boys. It’s dinner time. Go wash up, eat dinner and then straight to bed. Don’t worry about that alligator under the bed. He only bites on Saturdays!

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 17th, 2010
8:16 pm

“He only bites on Saturdays!”

Urban is 0-2 against AU. Just sayin…

Delbert D.

May 17th, 2010
8:27 pm

Dag-nab-it! Just fingerprint all the student-athletes and scan all the dang money!

Beast from the East

May 17th, 2010
8:31 pm

“Urban is 0-2 against AU. Just sayin…”

That’s becuase he hasn’t gotten to play Cheesecake yet. Just sayin…

By the way, didn’t I tell you to go to bed?

PurgDemon

May 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

Re: SMU – actually that is mistaken, the Mustangs were far worse. I was on that 1985 team that was handed its original probation of 30 lost scholarships and no TV or Bowl appearances for two. I saw guys with money in their shoes after games, no kidding. After that original probation, then Texas Governor Bill Clements also sat on the Board of Trustees at SMU – and was one of the ones who recommended further payments to players. The NCAA founds out – BANG! RIP Ponies.

jumbeuxtiger

May 17th, 2010
8:47 pm

Tide Rising, is it safe to assume u didn’t get much done today at work or were u off? LOL, wow that’s some banter u have going on here today.

Getting back to Tony’s topic, with so many accusations on the West Coast, there has to be some truth to it and it sure appears to be a lack of institutional control. USC should get hammered as we all know if this was a SEC school, the NCAA would throw the book at them.

Saban didn’t make it in the NFL because he couldn’t control those primadonnas. His style works much better, obviously, in the college game. He wanted to try the pros and he did. So what, there are things we all may be very good at and other things we are not. He recognized it and, for him, made the right choice.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Dashizz

May 17th, 2010
9:12 pm

Hell No! why punish the kids going to the school now……the coach is gone, reggie’s gone! Let is be, if you cant catch them while there at the school…..let it goe! NCAA Sucks!!!!!

G8R8U2

May 17th, 2010
9:15 pm

Of course they should have to vacate the Heisman and NC. The NCAA might not administer the BCS Trophy, but they do have control over wins and losses; so if they force USC to vacate wins, including the win against OU that got them the Trophy, then they no longer have a NC. Bush, who should have been ineligible, played in every single game that year. Both Bama and FSU have had to vacate all wins in which players who should have been ineligible played. The same thing should hold true for Bush; meaning USC would have to vacate all 13 wins from that season. Sorry, but you can’t have a National Champion that has 0 wins on the year.

Me

May 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

I’ll bet Forrest Gump really lives in Cali, maybe around the San Clemente area, and drives a truck with a Bulldawg on it…

Delbert D.

May 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

Sue Reggie Bush, sue the agent, sue the coaches…sue the NCAA…@#$% sue everybody, let the lawyers and judges sort it out.

Me

May 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

Tide Rising, Beast and et al…I believe you’ve been taken on an all day ride by the idiot himself. He cleverly stayed away from the statistical stew he brews up on a daily basis but go back and read the posts and some of the language. For instance, he’s the only clown who brings up the Urban Meyer 0-2 Auburn thing, because not even Aubie himself cares.And he uses the same deluted logic time and time and time again. He’ll post 94 times if responded to. Obviously he can operate a truck and a Droid at the same time.LOL I’m afraid that he’s been hidin’ behind a big war eagles wing all day.

Bama Bill

May 17th, 2010
10:03 pm

Absolutely ! Break the rules, get caught and suffer the consequences – this is a biggie !

Phillip

May 17th, 2010
10:13 pm

In my opinion their hiring of Kiffen is a slap in the face to the NCAA. He had several run-in’s with Slive and the NCAA during his tenure at UT.

bamaguy

May 17th, 2010
10:20 pm

Who cares about Southern Cal (the real USC is South Carolina). The only way a SEC team will play them is in a National Championship game. Let them sit on the left coast with their delusions of grandeur. If they want to pay that fool 4M a year, so be it.

Let’s get on with some real football in the SEC come September.

Ugay guyz

May 17th, 2010
10:26 pm

What…where is ugay7…dirt nap

Ugay guyz

May 17th, 2010
10:27 pm

If this is all true, ugay will have to give up the *) NC…Herchel and Trans Ams come to Mind

Ugay guyz

May 17th, 2010
10:27 pm

Herchel is flaming

BuLLdawg

May 17th, 2010
10:34 pm

Faulty reporting Tony Blowhart

as per usual for you, sir.

How in the name of heaven can you only discuss the $ 300,000 dollars given to the top football player in the nation, when as I see it the biggest payoff was the mansion given his parents by agents.

And, how can you discuss Southern California without disclosing that it is so obvious that the NCAA has to label Lack of Institutional Control for agents also giving O J Mayo benefits.

They talked of the 3-Pete but the facts are that LSU was declared National Champions by everyone not named AP Poll, so to have a 3-Pete you have to have won more than 1.

Pete Carroll just got out of town a few minutes before this PROBATION.

This has nothing to do with Alabama.

This is only about sports agents giving monies and other benefits to NCAA student-athletes in the Southern California Athletics Department. That and Brandon Ting USC football player and steroids.

The NCAA can be lied to. All of this reminds me of Tee Martin at Tennessee admitting that he took $7,000 in 2 wire transfers at a 711, after lying about it for years and then responding in the 3rd person that “That was a different Tee Martin, back then with the Tennessee vols. This Tee Martin, today, is a Christian and would never take those monies now.”

Southern California is going down. Why make it sound like it will be a conspiracy if they do not Tony ? This is all so obvious.

PKS

May 17th, 2010
10:48 pm

USC has always cheated, but really got crazy under Carroll, Orgeron and Kiffin. They deserve a penalty similar to Miami. MANY lost scholarships. NO bowls for 3 years. I do not think they will receive near the punishment they deserve simply because they are the only big name program that generates national dollars for the NCAA west of Texas. The NCAA will not punish their golden west coast goose

Joey M

May 17th, 2010
10:55 pm

ABSOLUTELY they need to be punished. Lose multiple scholarships, banned from BCS games, lose National Title, no Heisman trophy, Reggie Bush should be banned from stepping on any college campus. There needs to be heavy punishment to deter other schools from making the same risks. It is hard to punish the player other than to remove any and all stats from record while at the school and maybe bar them from entering any college campus is about it. They can’t take money from him. Hurt his pride is the next best thing.

Bulldog59

May 18th, 2010
12:01 am

Tina, first, what the #### has this got to do with UGA?

Second, when you can produce comparative arrest records from UGA and any other school, start typing. Until then, have shut the #### up.

Third, UGA is the only school to date, that turns over all campus arrests to local police for prosecution. All other schools (felonies excluded) handle it “internally” as UGA did until 2005.

All the sudden, aka since 2005, UGA has a major problem? No, since 2005, UGA is the only school turning offenders over to local police and NOT covering it up. They should be commended as you dumb ####.

BuLLdawg

May 18th, 2010
12:07 am

Give me a break.

We all recall the 2001 season and all the arrests

And, 2002

And, 2003

And, 2004

Courtney

May 18th, 2010
12:33 am

Death Penalty!

Dave

May 18th, 2010
4:28 am

Did he cheat on the field? Use drugs? Hurt anyone? No? Nothing to see here. Move on. USC made millions off Reggie Bush and his Heisman. If he got a little of it back, so be it.

BuLLdawg

May 18th, 2010
5:18 am

30 Georgia Bulldogs’ Football Player Arrests
21 Tennessee vols’ Football Player Arrests
21 Florida crocodiles’ Football Player Arrests
13 Florida State criminoles’ Football Player Arrests

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090614/ARTICLES/906149963?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar

Is THIS what you want me to provide

Bulldog59

Bulldog59

May 18th, 2010
6:48 am

BuLLdawg, for other schools, what about ALL the on-campus incidents handled by campus police. There is no record of that for you to google. And the schools will not provide it for you. I’ve even emailed Mark Bradley about it. He emailed back saying:

My understanding is that Georgia’s policy is tougher than many schools. Cutting down on underage drinking is one of the president’s causes.

M. Bradley

Beginning in 2005, UGA sends these kids to Clarke County police for prosecution, does UT, UF, FSU, etc.? Don’t think so. You are comparing apples and oranges. Other schools don’t do this for a reason… figure it out.

I’m not saying we don’t have issues, but so do the other schools.

If this were NOT the case, don’t you think some reporter would be all over this, instead of just a bunch of people on blogs seeing what they can figure out from google?

Again, how does this have anything to do with Reggie Bush and USC. Amazing how UGA-haters are obsessed with bashing this school.

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 18th, 2010
8:20 am

“I’ll bet Forrest Gump really lives in Cali, maybe around the San Clemente area, and drives a truck with a Bulldawg on it…”

Do your special ed teachers beat you?

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad

May 18th, 2010
8:22 am

“He cleverly stayed away from the statistical stew he brews up on a daily basis but go back and read the posts and some of the language. For instance, he’s the only clown who brings up the Urban Meyer 0-2 Auburn thing”

Huh, cause if you could actually read you’d have noticed the records etc that I posted. Also, Florida fans care about FL being 0-2 against AU under Meyer.

Tim Tebow cries.

Mike

May 18th, 2010
8:58 am

Wins should be forfeited, not vacated. The heisman and national title should be vacated and for three years a minimum of 7 scholarships each year should be lost as well as a bowl ban over that same period of time. Between Bush and Mayo, there was definately a lack of institutional control in Troy.

yo momma

May 18th, 2010
9:15 am

I’d revoke the National Championship. Pull 20 schollys over 3 years and pull all TV for two years. Hate to punish current players but the institution has to feel pain for the lack of control. I’d let them go to a bowl and be on TV for it but would restrict their selection process so they did not have opportunity to BCS bowl payoffs.

KevDVol

May 18th, 2010
9:41 am

The NCAA probably won’t do anything even though USC chose to rehire the 2 coaches primarily responsible for their recruiting “success” during the Reggie Bush era – Lane Kiffin (recruiting coordinator) and Ed Orgeron. Apparently, the PAC-10 is allowed a much more freestyle type of recruiting because Lane and Ed kept getting in trouble from Day – 1 in the SEC.

Allegedly, Bama was buying Memphis kids when they got in trouble. So now that USC has been caught (allegedly) buying kids from SoCal (Bush) and elsewhere (Mayo) – USC should get the same punishment that Bama received: vacate wins, no post season for a few years and burn a bunch of scholarships. USC should also be reprimanded for rehiring questionable coaches.

Please Dooley note that I am SO not missin’ Kiffin. Go Vols!

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10:52 am

[...] — the judgment (assuming the rumors and allegations are true) better be at least equivalent. Tony Barnhart makes the point: If only half of what has been reported about Bush is true and USC skates on this one, there will [...]

Jim

May 18th, 2010
3:39 pm

Not ONLY should they take Bush’s Heisman away, THEY SHOULD TAKE MIKE GARRETT’S HEISMAN AWAY!

Chill Dogg RTR

May 18th, 2010
7:24 pm

>>Denver Dog: “Bama go (sic) wrist slapping for what should have been death penalty infracdtions. (sic)”

Huh?? You need to read some history, dog. Bama was hurting for years from their punishment.

>>Bootsie: “O.J. was found INNOCENT. Maybe you missed it.”

Congratulations! Yours is the most ignorant, uninformed comment on this page – and that’s saying something! The jury in the criminal trial said he was “not guilty” (they don’t say “innocent”), despite the evidence, for racial reasons. That does not mean he was not guilty of killing two people. He was still guilty of that no matter what some stupid jury says.

BTW, the jury in the civil trial found him “Guilty” based on a “preponderance of the evidence”. Maybe you missed it.

Chill Dogg RTR

May 18th, 2010
7:29 pm

P.S. USC was not “co-champion” with LSU in 2003. LSU was the only champion because the BSC determines the official champion. AP and other polls don’t count anymore.

wballs1977

May 18th, 2010
8:17 pm

Can Auburn then self proclaim a NC like Bama has successfully done throughout history over a half dozen times ?

Gordito Mojito

May 19th, 2010
2:19 pm

The NCAA’s actions on U$C’s “Lack of Institutional Control” strikes at the very heart of its own viability. Like other political organizations, say the UN, it must exercise its authority or (like the UN) it will lose its authority as a viable governing body. Likewise for the Heisman Trust and BCS Committee.

What’s the value of any award or achievement if you know they cast a blind-eye at cheating? Like the Home Run record it’s a pyrrhic victory at best for those who cheat and a black eye on the sport as a whole.

The NCAA had better Hang’em or we’re spending a lot of money through alumni donations and football weekend based on politics rather than sport. In which case, they could save us all a ton of money and time by letting us know which team will win each year.

Realist

May 19th, 2010
2:58 pm

Delbert says: “USC is one of the most highly ranked academic institutions, just ahead of U. Mich. and UNC, and just behind UVA. That otherwise excellent institutions can allow careless, deceitful and corrupt activities is shameful.”

Delbert, USC cheats at EVERYTHING including submitting false information to inflate it’s academic rankings!! They are not the elite academic institution they proclaim to be but need to be viewed as such to maintain their very ambitious building/housing expansion. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/08/usc

Cheating is at the very core of USC from President Sample on down. It is what they do. Period.

[...] —Tony Barhart wonders if Reggie Bush should lose his Heisman if found to be ineligible in 2005. [...]

G8R8U2

May 19th, 2010
7:45 pm

Forrest Gump is the most famous Bama grad :

May 18th, 2010
8:22 am

Huh, cause if you could actually read you’d have noticed the records etc that I posted. Also, Florida fans care about FL being 0-2 against AU under Meyer.

Tim Tebow cries.
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Uummm, actually, no Gator fans don’t really care about the Auburn thing at all; because, unlike Bama, we don’t play them every year anymore, and didn’t just lose 6 in a row to them like The Tide did between ‘02 and ‘07. In fact, those 2 games, in ‘06 and ‘07, are the only 2 games we’ve played against each other since 2002. I think it’s pretty safe to assume our ‘08 and ‘09 teams would have crushed AU like a grape if given the chance.

We used to face Auburn every year through that 2002 meeting, though, and in the previous 9 meetings, from ‘95 through ‘02, Florida was 8-1, with 7 wins in a row between ‘95 and ‘00, including a 29-6 win over them in the 2000 SECCG. So, losing a couple of games when your teams only meet every 4 years or so isn’t a big deal, and definitely pales in comparison to 7 losses in a row including a conference title game.

AU is now in the business of using UF castoffs to try and get relevant again. It might even work… former Gator quarterback, Cam Newton and former Gator linebacker, Chizik as coach may just be an improvement over recent AU teams. Even Tubby ended his tenure at AU with a 3-4 record against UF… probably why he always sounds like a jilted skank whenever he talks about UF in his lame interviews.

[...] Barnhart offers his take on what on the Reggie Bush [...]

cowboy28

May 21st, 2010
3:59 pm

STICK IT TO THEIR A$$. USC HAS BEEN CHEATIN FOREVER!!!

justbuster

May 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

Should USC get the death penalty as a repeat violater, one of the options that the infractions comittee might hand down is that the coaching staff in place at the time of the violations could be subject to an NCAA ’show cause’ order. That would mean that any member institution would have to ’show cause’ in order to hire any of them for a specified number of penalty years. Since they were on probation for a major violation in 2001 and probation lasts for five years, they could be required to fire Lane Kiffin.

IMO

May 23rd, 2010
3:21 pm

The most deserving team was Auburn University.

WarEagle!

May 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

Buckhead Bulldog

May 23rd, 2010
6:51 pm

I do have to agree with my AU cousins on this one…The Auburn Tigers were THE BEST team, and deserved a shot the title. I was at the SECCG that year, and the AUt team was a brutal machine similiar to the Tide last year…..sorry for POff both AU and UA but it is my best comparison. Both teams were unstoppable. ESPN sucks!

Preston

May 23rd, 2010
7:51 pm

Seems to me that if they’ve done this to other programs, they should do the same to USC. Are they not held to the same rules as everyone else?

NOTSO FAST

May 23rd, 2010
7:54 pm

I think I read that rules are for everybody and if the rules were broken then punishment should be given.

NCAA

May 23rd, 2010
8:15 pm

If we find USC guity of cheating we will probably take some scholarships away from Alabama.

SMU

May 23rd, 2010
8:16 pm

The Death Penalty would be great for Kiddie Kiffin.

GADawg

May 23rd, 2010
9:17 pm

I agree that USC should be punished for these infractions, if true; however, Auburn doesn’t necessarily deserve the title as a result. Reggie Bush was a very important piece in ‘04, but he wasn’t the focal point that he was in 2005. Realistically, USC would have won the title in 2004, with or without him. The DAC should strip him of his Heisman and USC should be placed on probation and monitored, but to start reassigning national championship trophies is probably not a good idea unless there is evidence of pervasive, program-wide infractions.

joe robby

May 24th, 2010
9:18 am

This is for “Tina” and “Obamanation”…….neither of you know NOTHING about what you are jabbering about. You’re using an article about Reggie Bush and USC to be hateful little pricks. You’re both small people that probably aren’t worth spitting on.

UGA paid its own price for the Jan Kemp era investigation. The NCAA had no jurisdiction, but UGA itself put our athletic programs at a disadvantage vs. the rest of the SEC by raising academic requirements for athletes beyond SEC minimums. Which is the biggest reason why UGA went 20 years without an SEC title. Because time after time we watched players who couldn’t get into UGA go to Auburn, FSU, Tennessee, Clemson, etc. and then play against UGA.

The Kemp investigation actually helped UGA because we brought in Dr. Knapp who got us focused on where we needed to be and that started the rise of UGA’s stature amongst public universities. Along with HOPE, UGA is recognized as one of the best.

Now you can hold UGA to task for its special admits. But then you would also have to hold to task 98% of the rest of the members of the NCAA.

Tina, your babbling about arrests means nothing. Except that you’re trying to read something into the situation that isn’t there. Instead of an investigation of UGA, you should get a life. One with a little more honesty and truth. Because if that’s what you were really concerened about, your spin on this might have more to do with Athens/UGA being a place where breaking the law is punishable instead of being covered up as it is at MANY other places instead of trying to blame the school for enforcing rules upon its athletes.

ObjectiveOrville

May 25th, 2010
5:39 pm

USC is fail and full of the AIDS.

John2230

May 30th, 2010
11:20 am

5 years and nothing happening other than a meeting with the NCAA. It seems like everyone is worried about litigation and what it would mean to the NCAA is they should lose a lawsuit.

Then there is the whole question about Congress and the BCS…. If I were the NCAA or BCS I would be a bit concerned about the pasture they are walking in…

Rich

May 31st, 2010
7:12 am

Its just been reported that the NCAA will finally announce what/if sanctions will be placed on USC this Friday (June 5)…Speculation says that any sanctions will be applied backward (loss of national title, wins, Heisman) and not forward (future bowl appearances).

Rich

June 7th, 2010
11:20 am

Its taken this long, so why not wait some more days?—–Its been reported that the NCAA will announced their rulings about USC sometime this week, and not Friday June 4, as previously mentioned.

Rich

June 10th, 2010
3:39 pm

Well, its FINALLY happened! As I write this the NCAA is ready to impose SEVERE sanctions on the USC football program. What a great day it is NOT to be a Trojan fan…