Why Arkansas will not leave the SEC

 Looks like it is going to be a long, hot summer on the expansion front with reporters chasing ghosts and rumors of ghosts.

A radio station in Kansas City got everybody hot and bothered yesterday when it reported that the Big Ten had already extended offers to four schools: Missouri, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Rutgers. For the rest of the day there was one report after another from those respective campuses saying: “That’s news to us.”

Understand that a story like this is not true right up until the minute that it is. In other words, the invitations won’t be (officially) extended by the Big Ten until that league already knows they will be accepted.

The Big Ten is not going to extend and invitation to a school and say “No hurry, guys. Just do your homework and get back to us when you can.”

Nobody will get a chance to say “No” publicly to the Big Ten.

So let’s talk about something we do know when it comes to expansion and it is this: There has been speculation that if Missouri and/or Nebraska leave the Big 12 that SEC member Arkansas would be tempted to go back to its Southwest Conference roots. South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier speculated as much on a recent conference call of SEC coaches.

Let me tell you in no uncertain terms why that won’t happen. Back in 1991 Arkansas left the Southwest Conference for the SEC because athletics director Frank Broyles, one of the shrewdest administrators to ever walk on a college campus, could look down the road and see that he’d make more money—a lot more money—in the SEC. Commissioner Roy Kramer had a plan that entailed a 12-team conference with a championship game.

You’d have to say that Frank Broyles was right. In 1990 the 10 SEC schools shared $16.4 million, about $1.6 million per school.  Today, the SEC now has a $3 billion TV contract with CBS and ESPN. This season each SEC school will receive about $17 million in shared revenue during the spring meetings in Destin.

When you are trying to guess what school will land where if there is expansion upheaval, remember that these decisions made on the basis of money. Also remember that the SEC and the Big Ten are the big financial dogs in this game. Arkansas is not going to jump off the SEC train for less money in the Big 12. And they would get less money.

Berry Trammel, the fine reporter with the Daily Oklahoman, pointed out earlier this year that while the Big Ten and the SEC share their revenue equally, the Big 12 does not. The Big 12 puts half of its revenue in a common pool which is shared equally. The other half goes into an “appearance” pool and is passed out based on the number of times a team is on TV. Obviously a system like that accrues greater benefits to Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. The gap between Texas, which will earn about $12 million this season, and the bottom team in the league is several million dollars.

 Obviously, the other members of the Big 12 don’t particularly like this arrangement but those three schools, especially Texas, make up the engine that drives the financial train. You want Texas to leave? Try changing that formula.

Missouri will go to the Big Ten if offered for that very reason. Do you think Arkansas wants to jump into that environment? No chance.

 

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262 comments Add your comment

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
7:34 pm

Wizardofhogz,

I’ll be sure not to tick you off. You’re making my head spin with the voluminous calling out of T3.

Kgator79,

I kinda thought the same thing. I know Florida wins a lot of titles in all these other things like women’s sports especially and the all sports trophy so I couldn’t fathom how Ark would have more titles.

Steerpower,

Lou Gossett says only 2 things come from Texas. Steers and queers. Which one are you? I doubt if you have horns. Sorry but I just couldn’t resist.

Bamaninark

May 11th, 2010
7:48 pm

The SEC is already BY FAR the best conference in college football. Arkansas would be foolish to even consider leaving that league unless it just wants to have an easier time in the Big 12.

HeadHog

May 11th, 2010
7:58 pm

Kgator79,

Read my friend

As of May 9, 2010. Championship History of Division 1 Men’s

NCAA website
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/champs_records_book/summaries/Men.pdf

1. USC 76
2. UCLA 71
3. Standford 60
4. Okie State 48
5. Arkansas 43* With 2 National Titles removed from Track.

Not Listed: Florida 12. :-)

Arkansas has more titles than any SEC team and it isn’t even close. We are only talking about Men’s here gentlemen.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
8:00 pm

Great read Head Hog. The facts dont lie people just look at the numbers.

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
8:02 pm

The exact nature of what it takes to become a steer is not a subject for polite dinner table conversation.

T3

May 11th, 2010
8:03 pm

Wizard:

I respect the passion. Kudos on the “handle.”

However, I dont have a “Hawg” in this fight.

The #1 point is this: the POSSIBILITY of Arkansas moving to
the Big 12 CAN NOT be overlooked, as TB so casually dismisses.

If the Big12 loses Nebraska and/or Mizzou, then the Big12 is gonna go shopping for at least two new members.

The MOST LIKELY candidates are:
Arkansas, Houston, UTEP, BYU, UTAH, NewMex, NexMexSt.
SMU and TCU are possible, but very likely due their smaller school size.

As I stated, I’m no fan of Jerry Jones…AT ALL,
so I’m no Jones “homer.” Didnt read the ESPN article.
Only know how it was portrayed back then.
Gotta consider that was in Tx,
while I was getting the “news” here in Atlanta.

The point on Jones is this: He has BILLIONS at his personal disposal.
Just like T.Boone Pickens. Jones can “buy” just about ANYTHING he wants.

If Jones SERIOULSY wanted Arkansas to move to the Big12,
then he has ALL the means to get the outcome he wants.

Then the question becomes, how much “persuasion” would it take:

1) what amount of money will it take and/or
2) how many “political” or “monetary” favors would need to be paid.

Afterall, Jones persuaded the State of Texas
to finance $1+Billion for “Jerry World.”

If Jones offered the U-Ark administration a $50 Million cash donation, to move to the Big12, the U-Ark administration is probably gonna give the idea SERIOUS consideration.

A $100 Million donation would practically guarantee a move,
regardless of how much Ark earns from the SEC or Big12.

What if Jones offered a big donation directly to the
Big12 Conference organization?

I also think that Jones would do just about whatever it took to “persuade” the Big12 to make the Big12 revenue-sharing a bit more “equitable.” I just wouldnt under-estimate his influence.

Overall, if Jones SERIOUSLY wanted Ark to move,
he will PROBABLY get his way. He has ALL the means
to get what he wants. Period.

Ark staying in the SEC is NOT as big of
a “given” as TB would have readers believe.

As for Broyles, it pisses me off when the self-appointed
“Mr. College Football’ doesnt do service to the greats of college football.

No one in the younger generation(s), and few folks east of Little Rock have ever heard of Frank Broyles. Broyles was “home-grown” product from here in Atlanta, a great man, and a “household name” here in Atlanta for 30+ years.

And yet, TB…as a bonified UGA-SEC “Super homer” doesnt even bother to mention to that. Broyles was a “giant” here in Atlanta LONG before he arrived at Ark. As TB flatters Broyles for being a great guy in relation to his roles at Ark, no mention how big big his stature was here in Atlanta. TB only mentions Broyles for the shallow purpose of “vaildating” the SEC as Gods gift to the South. If Broyles had grown an UGA man, TB would have given us his resume.

Sports fans here in Atlanta deserve BETTER from the
self-appointed “Mr. College Football.”

The Big12 is gonna go shopping.
A BILLIONAIRE Arkansas alum owns the Dallas Cowboys and “partially”
owns the “grandest” football stadium in teh country.

Like I said, TB is stupid to think that Arkansas might not be “in play.”

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
8:15 pm

T3 – According to Fortune Magazine, his net worth is “only” 1.3 billion. It gets him in the Top 500 in the U.S.

I Wholly agree with your last sentence. Tony Barnhart’s blog post on the subject is highly perjorative, to the point that he is telling his readers that we are to dumb to understand it.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
8:20 pm

T3,
We are not going anywhere! We dont want the Big 12 and why would we when we are in the best conference in America. Yes, Jerry Jones is a proud alum of Arkansas but you act as if he’s pulling all the strings in Fayetteville. I’m sure Jerry being the sharp guy he is would realize were right where we need to be. He has got us playing in Dallas for 9 more years against A&M and I wouldnt be suprised if by the time that contract ends that we dont have another one in place. So he has his wish with us playing in Dallas and benefitting from the added exposure in Texas that everyone understands is vital to the success of the Arkansas athletic program. I’m a student at the Uof A and we are over run with students from Texas and thats without us having any real ties to the state other than the series with A&M. We dont need the Big 12 to be a factor in Texas, we have enough alumni and current students at Arkansas to prove that. Arkansas is not going to settle for less money, playing midwest teams like kansas and iowa state, and giving up our membership in the strongest conference in the nation. Those who think so are dillusional. We are not big enough a school or in a populous enough state or region for that matter to give up all the incentives the SEC provides. College athletics is about one thing and that is MONEY. Even if Jerry Jones gave us $100 million to go the Big 12 its not gonna happen because in the long run we will still earn more in the SEC. The Big 12 is a sinking ship why would anyone wanted to jump on board? Especially a school that is benefitting from the best contract in collegiate sports (ESPN/SEC Deal). I could go on and on about the reasons why we arent going anywhere but its not worth it. Everyone can keep on speculating all they want but it aint gonna happen just wait and see.

[...] Football, Tony Barnhart, strongly believes that Arkansas will remain in the SEC. Today, on the AJC.com website, he discusses why he believes that [...]

T3

May 11th, 2010
8:44 pm

One last note for Jones & Arkansas.

Jones played on the undefeated 1964 Arkansas team that won a National Championship by beating Nebraska.

Anyone want to guess WHERE that game was played? Hmmmm ??

Right. At the “Cotton Bowl Classic”……in Dallas.

Does ANYONE ELSE believe that Jerry Jones would just L-O-V-E to see
his Hawgs play in the new/upcoming BCS-level Cotton Bowl whose new home is “Jerry World?”

And Barnhart doesnt think Arkansas is “in play?”

Pfff ?! What a joke.

tx pete

May 11th, 2010
8:48 pm

the big12 is a sinkng ship? what an idiot.

the big question is what will the big-12
do if neb & mizz bolt for the big-10.

their gonna have to add somebody.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
8:49 pm

t3,
Your a joke. Look at the facts dude and use your brain. Honestly if you were an Arkansas fan would you want to go to the Big 12 or even deem it fathomable?

Weston

May 11th, 2010
8:50 pm

Yes its a sinking ship. Your about to lose your 3rd biggest asset which is Nebraska. Who are you gonna replace Nebraska and Missouri with? I guarantee you its no one that has the benefits of those two schools

T3

May 11th, 2010
8:55 pm

For those who DONT think Arkansas in “in play” for a POSSIBLE move to teh Big12, please offer up YOUR suggesiton on what YOU think the Big12’s next move will be.

And, BTW, forget Tx/TxAM going to the SEC. NE-VER gonna happen.

So lets hear it…what will the Big12 do next?

T3

May 11th, 2010
8:57 pm

BTW Weston…it’s YOU’RE (YOU ARE)…not YOUR.

Study harder.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
8:58 pm

You have to understand that the Big 12 will no doubt go after Arkansas but just because they come after us doesnt mean were going. Of course if they lose Missouri and Nebraska then Arkansas will be their #1 priority but that doesnt mean we are going anywhere. Get that through your head.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
9:00 pm

t3,
Who cares this is a comments page on a website dont think I’m getting graded for my grammar. Nice try though.

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
9:20 pm

T3,

I appreciate your spirited debate but it looks like its time to throw in the towel on this one.

I believe every single hog fan that has posted today has been in favor of staying in the sec. Heck why wouldn’t they? They make a lot more money in the sec than they ever would in the big 12 and that disparity is about to grow even wider with Neb and Mizzou bolting to the big 10.

You’ve mentioned Jerry Jones several times. He is a businessman and as a successful businessman he especially would want the hogs in the sec making gobs more money than in a weakened big 12.

Last of all, you just wrote that Texas and Tam would never ever go to the sec. Hogwash I say! In the link that someone pasted earlier Finebaum had a conversation with Texas AD Deloss Dodds who flat out said Texas wanted to join the sec after Ark bolted. The only holdup was that the sec did not want Tam and so the Texas legislature held things up because they insisted that the sec take both. But it is a fact of life that Texas wanted to go and Dodds flat out confirmed it.

As it stands today the SEC would absolutely offer both Texas and Tam and if so there is no reason why they wouldn’t come especially now that we know Texas wanted to come years back. Its either the Pac 10 or the SEC and everyone knows the SEC is a much more profitable conference and a better fit for the 2 schools.

Bottom line is that the idea of Ark going to an ever weakening big 12 for ever less money is ludicrous. The idea that Texas and Tam would come to the SEC is 100 times more realistic than the idea of Ark going to the big 12. They are going to the pac 10 or the sec one or the other if the big 10 expands to 16 teams. The smart money says they come to the sec.

GO HEELS

May 11th, 2010
9:21 pm

I would love to see Texas in the SEC then that will allow TCU to join the BIG 12 and they should invite Boise State as well….

Arkansas shouldnt leave and allow Florida State to join SEC and the ACC will take SC… I think Spurrier wants to be back on top of the coaching world and joining the ACC will be up the big break he needs…

Weston

May 11th, 2010
9:31 pm

Tide Rising,
Thanks for coming in and breaking the chain of dillusional comments by t3. You made some great points and I too really think its a possibility of Texas and the Aggies coming to the SEC. It would be great for my Hogs and would only solidify the status the SEC has as the best conference in America without question.

WizardohOgZ

May 11th, 2010
9:36 pm

T3 . . .

I had admonished you when I felt it was appropriate, and I will now give you props for finally (IMHO) posting a non-inflammatory, non-insulting and coherent response to the questions I posed to you in my last post. Whether that is a result of my admonition, or you finally figured out that the only way I was going to relent was for you to listen and answer my post directly, I give you credit for so doing.

That said, I want to clarify something. When I say you’re “obsessed” with Jerry Jones, in no way should it be interpreted that I said you like (or, for that matter, dislike) him. The “obsession” has to do with your consistent assumption that Jones is passionate about Arkansas moving to the Big 12. In your first response to my post earlier in this thread, you went out of your way to point out that you said “if” he was . . . but I went on to post several other comments you had made about him and your assumptive position that he strongly favors the move. And, in fact, MOST of your arguments about the possibility of Arkansas moving to the Big 12 is BASED on this assumption.

I have no doubt that whatever Jones sets him mind to, he makes a big impact in any such situation. But I have NO reason . . . NO reason . . . to think Jones would prefer Arkansas to be in the Big 12 – and I’m a LOT closer to Jones than you are. Sure, like anyone he reminisces about the games his teams played against Texas and the Aggies. But you probably don’t know that there were some very meaningful games against SMU, Rice and TCU as well in those days. Note that there is no pressure from Jones for the Hogs to join the conferences of those teams either.

Jones is – first and foremost – a super bright businessman. He knows full well what being in the SEC means to Arkansas, and he knows the value of the A&M series in Arlington (by the way, the series is set for 10 years, with a 20 year option after that; so I don’t think it will move in our lifetime) – both in terms of revenue and recruiting access. But, if I had to bet, I’d put my money on him voting to stay in the SEC if he were asked and responded on the record. That’s the truth.

If “the move” possible? Sure – anything’s possible (Note that I never said it wasn’t . . . that was others). But I’d put the realistic chance at about 5-10%, and that’s being generous.

Let me ask you this; if the revenue situation is so poor for schools NOT named Texas that Missouri is looking for greener pastures, what makes you think it’s so attractive for Arkansas? Answer – it’s not. Arkansas proactively looked for a conference to get away from Texas’ bullying revenue sharing situation, and they found it. I can’t see a scenario where they’ willingly go back to that sort of scenario. And I know Texas is NOT willing to give up what they have.

Result – NO move to the Big 12.

T3

May 11th, 2010
9:44 pm

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
10:01 pm

T3,

I have to admit that now you have me completely bewildered.

Your last post says this is why Tex and Tam would never join the sec. Well, I read the article and it never mentions anything about the sec and never mentions any reasons why they would not join the sec. It simply talks about the possibility of a Tex. Tam merger with the pac 10. And then to top it all off it says in the last paragraph that this is something that will not happen. Not now anyway.

In no way, shape, or form does the article lay out reasons for them not joining the sec. If you somehow construe an article that talks about the remote possibility of Tex and Tam joining the Pac 10 as being a total rejection of a possible sec overture then I would have to say that is one bizarre rationalization. I’m totally perplexed as to how you arrive at the idea of Tex and Tam never joining the sec based on this article by one ho hum reporter who is just voicing an opinion.

Furthermore I just read in a different article that Texas had also discussed with the Pac 10 the idea of joining in the 90s. Know who nixed that idea? Stanford did. Turns out private schools like Stanford are very protective of a football factory like Texas coming into their league. Call it politics, envy, or whatever but its clear Stanford doesn’t want Texas in.

robert

May 11th, 2010
10:18 pm

I’m an Arkansas fan and I completely agree with Tony. The one thing I’d add is that there’s also the risk of switching from the nation’s premier conference to one that may fold someday, despite that Arkansas switched. That’s a deal breaker and perhaps even bigger than the money issue. Part of the reason Arkansas is in the SEC today is because the SWC was falling apart and I don’t think we want to be in that situation again.

If not for those reasons, I wouldn’t mind moving to the Big-XII. The SEC is wealthier and more exciting, but the Big-XII is where we belong geographically and culturally. I also think the Big-XII wouldn’t treat us like a red-headed stepchild, as the SEC has always done. But because the SEC is such a great conference, made up of great members, it is easily the best option and I don’t think we’re going anywhere soon.

T3

May 11th, 2010
10:26 pm

Pac10 & Big12 are not talking a conference MERGER.

They’re discussing combining their TV Marketing efforts.

A HUGE TV contract covering the Pac10 and Big12…and really just about EVEWRYTHING West of teh Mississippi might be worth much mor ethan teh SEC pays.

So, I dont see Tx & TxAM considering a switch to the SEC as many have suggested.

So far, no one has offered up ANY options on how the Big12 is gonna fill the holes left by Nebraska and/or Mizzou.

robert

May 11th, 2010
10:38 pm

Btw, where did this idea that Jerry Jones was to move Arkansas to the Big-XII come from? And of course Arkansas played Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl! The SWC champion always played it’s bowl game in the Cotton Bowl, so what? As for Nebraska, that was the only meeting between the two schools and I’m sure many SEC schools have played the Cornhuskers more than that.

$100 million isn’t going to make us switch to the Big-XII either. Throw in another zero and then you might have something, but staying in the SEC is worth a lot more than $100m to Arkansas. The most amusing thing about all of this is how media, all around the nation, is talking as if this is a real possibility, even though no one in Arkansas believes that it is or that it should be. There are fans — myself included — that like the idea from afar, but not after taking a long look at how disastrous it could be. Even if we could make the same as we are currently are in the SEC, it might still be a disastrous move. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Weston

May 11th, 2010
10:38 pm

Robert,
You think we fit in culturally with Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska etc? I find that hard to believe.

WizardohOgZ

May 11th, 2010
10:39 pm

T3 wrote “So far, no one has offered up ANY options on how the Big12 is gonna fill the holes left by Nebraska and/or Mizzou.”

Consider the possibility that they may not. There is a scenario where Texas, A&M, Mizzou, Nebraska, OU, Oklahoma State and Colorado (Pac 10) all go elsewhere. In that case, it’s a matter of the remainder of the conference basically fending for themselves and the conference disbanding.

It could happen – to use your argument “you can’t say there is no way it could happen”.

Alphare

May 11th, 2010
10:50 pm

SEC treat Arkansas like a red-headed stepchild? where does that come from? Houston Nutts beat Florida in the swamp just 2 years ago and the rest of SEC except Florida fell completely in love with Arkansas. Just ask Georgia fans about it.

Arkansas will give LSU or BAMA some heartache this year.

Doesn’t Arkansas get better recruits as a result of being part of SEC?

robert

May 11th, 2010
10:50 pm

Weston, I was thinking more Missouri (my birthplace), Oklahoma and Texas, but I do think we have more in common with Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska than Florida, Kentucky and Georgia. I also think that we consider ourselves a lot more Southern than we did before we joined the SEC. We were a charter member of the SWC, along with Texas, Oklahoma.and OSU, We probably could have left the SWC for the SEC when it was formed, but we waited 60 years to join the SEC and then only because the SWC was falling apart.

Beast from the East

May 11th, 2010
10:57 pm

Like I said earlier today, I think Arkansas fits in well with the SEC. I think I can speak for the majority of UF fans in saying that we have the utmost respect for their teams. Very competetive, passionate fan base, great AD and good facilities. I can’t belive that someone thinks they are treated as the “red-headed stepchild”.

robert

May 11th, 2010
11:02 pm

Alphare, don’t take it personally, because everyone treats Arkansas as a red-headed stepchild. We’re always underdogs, which I think is great. Some of it also comes from us not having the history with other conference members that most have and there’s also the fact that our football program hasn’t been great since we’ve been a member, so we haven’t done anything to garner respect yet.

As Houston Nutt, he did beat Florida, but it was with Ole Miss and not Arkansas. Although he had several chances, he couldn’t do it at Arkansas, although Petrino hasn’t, yet, either.

Whether we recruit better is debatable, but I’m of the opinion that we recruited better in the SWC. Most of our recruits still come out of Texas — we’re similar to Oklahoma in that way — but now we can’t offer them the opportunity to play in front of their family and friends, as we once could. Texas players grow up watching Big-XII football and they mostly sign with Big-XII schools, but many Arkansas fans think we have some mythical advantage by offering them the opportunity to play in the SEC, which takes them to LSU first, when true. The only other SEC state where we’ve recruited well would be Louisiana and Florida, but I wouldn’t say that we’ve fared better than most SEC schools in those states.

robert

May 11th, 2010
11:06 pm

Thank you for the kind words Beast! Maybe I spoke too soon, but it does seem that way some times. I don’t want to get into it right now, but I will say that I don’t think it’s been intentional. Some of it is because we were always the second most respected team in the SWC, so finding ourselves in the middle-to-lower end of the SEC pack has taken some adjusting.

Alphare

May 11th, 2010
11:08 pm

Sorry, my bad, it’s after Nutt moved to Ole Miss. I have a habit to identify Nutt with Arkansas.

T3

May 11th, 2010
11:18 pm

Wizard:

Agreed. Big12 could choose to go to 10, and form the Pac10/Big12(10) TV “alliance” that has been dicussed. Both conferences would end up playing the other 9 in each conference, and then play a “championship” game of some sort.

This idea is being openly discussed by Big12 boss Dan Beebe and Pac10 boss alliance Larry Scott. BTW, Larry Scott’s new right-hand man is Kevin Weiberg, THE GUY who set-up the Big10 Network.

Such a “network combination” would generate HUGE revenue for affiliated teams.

T3

May 11th, 2010
11:20 pm

Let me clarify that.

The Pac10 currently plays a round robin style with every team playing all of the other 9 temas in the Pac10. A Big12/10 would likely do the same thing.

HeadHog

May 11th, 2010
11:51 pm

Robert,

You are a Yankee transplant, move back above the Line. You obviously have never been all over the state of Arkansas. You are so off base it isn’t even funny. You have ZERO Idea about Arkansas’ history and the culture it has.

Can you even Read the US Census map?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_map-The_South_Modern_.png

However, you are entitled to your opinion even if its moronic.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
11:55 pm

I totally agree Head Hog. We have nothing in common with the Midwest. We are southern and always will be. Robert go back to Missouri if you think we arent southern.

robert

May 12th, 2010
12:26 am

Thanks for the support, guys, but I’ve been in Arkansas for almost 40 years and think I know it pretty well. Let me also clarify that I never said that Arkansas is not a Southern state, so stop making fools out of yourselves by pretending that I did.

robert

May 12th, 2010
12:34 am

Btw, I’m trying to understand what set off the undeserved criticism and I can only guess it had something to do with saying that we have more in common with Iowa and Nebraska than Florida. After thinking about it further, I think I was wrong, but we certainly have more in common with Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri than we do with Florida or Kentucky. We are considerably closer to Big-XII schools than we are to SEC schools and that’s a fact you can’t deny. If you still want to argue that point, then go study a map.

Golden Rules

May 12th, 2010
2:06 am

If the ACC and the SEC are concerned over the money that the Big(Boring 10) could bring in with expansion then instead of pillaging other conferences the two need to work together to secure a GIANT TV deal. Simply look at the success of the Chick-f-la Bowl and the Kickoff Classic. Both of the games are huge because they bring together the natural geographic rivalries of the two conferences. If the two conferences could develop popular head to head match ups on a weekly basis with that match-up game being played in primetime on national TV the dollars could be HUGE. Not to mention the standard games played every Saturday afternoon. Plus it would allow the individual conferences to retain the current identity and not force them into the seedy world of trying to rape other conferences for schools that they may not particularly want to add anyway.. When it is all said and done the South will always have the majority of the best college football teams in the nation…take advantage of this and render the BIG (Boring) impotent by joining together.

[...] Mr. College Football tells us why Arkansas will not leave the SEC: When you are trying to guess what school will land where if there is expansion upheaval, remember that these decisions made on the basis of money. Also remember that the SEC andthe Big Ten are the big financial dogs in this game. Arkansas is not going to jump off the SEC train for less money in the Big 12. And they would get less money. [...]

HeadHog

May 12th, 2010
4:54 am

Robert,

Read the Ancestries Map from the 2000 Census. Notice all the Southern States are exactly the same. Arkansas is nothing like 1 state you mentioned above, Link below. I hate to prove you wrong, end of discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg

Fayetteville is closer to Big 12 schools but the Vast Majority of Razorback fans are much closer to SEC Schools. Also, Little Rock (War Memorial) is closer to the SEC schools. Do you need a Demographic and MSA map for that also?

Hey it’s not our fault after the Civil War, when the South Lost, we had no control over reconstruction money and the University of Arkansas, NOT the University of Northwest Arkansas, was placed in Fayetteville instead of a Central location for the entire state.

Ever wonder why the South Tower, Old Main, was supposed to be Taller than the North tower but when the Yankees learned of this they built it backwards as it stands today. If you were ever a freshmen at UofA you would’ve known this fact during orientation.

Even if the Big 12 and Pac-10 do a Network together, replicating the Big 10 Network, it will still fall short of what Arkansas makes yearly in the SEC. Would you like numbers for that also?

GEEZ

May 12th, 2010
12:16 pm

you know if you inbreds who walk around beating your chest about how great and tough the SEC is, you may want to think about kicking out the following: Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, Ky(even though they beat UGA) and I would raise a serious eyebrow to SC. Also, what the he!! has happened to TN and Auburn? Your conference presently SUX but yet you all seem to think it is a step above all others..make it more attractive if you want others to join it

[...] “Mr. College Football” himself, Tony Barnhart, dedicated his column to the subject of why the Hogs won’t leave the SEC. His logic is simple (SEC = way more money) and makes sense, but that hasn’t stopped people [...]

Where are you really from?

May 12th, 2010
1:10 pm

robert-

Give me a break- Arkansas is in the SOUTH. Culturally more aligned with Iowa & Nebraska than a southern state? You’re crazy. As a lifelong resident of Arkansas, I live one mile from the Missouri border, 25 miles from Oklahoma and less than 50 miles from Kansas. I’ve been to Kansas once in 20 years and avoid Oklahoma at all costs. We have nothing in common with Missouri. Did you see there fans at the Cotton Bowl? It was like an Ivy League school. Have you ever seen a Hog tailgate party? It looks like ‘Bama, Georgia, Tenn, Auburn, etc. That’s crazy…

GO HEELS

May 12th, 2010
2:16 pm

WELL SEC FANS….. ACC comissoner John Swofford stated this morning that all 12 Teams in the ACC have no plans in leaving the ACC…. So looks like you guys will have to head West to try and gain more teams….. LMAO….

Razorhog

May 12th, 2010
2:35 pm

What about picking up Luoisville?? Not for football, but for basketball. Plus it gives Kentucky a consistent/competitive in conference rivalry. We all know that the SEC ( save Kentucky) needs to catch back up in basketball.

robert

May 12th, 2010
4:32 pm

HeadHog, even though I still disagree with you, this discussion has become tiring and I don’t really care to drag it out any longer, but I will note that you’re wrong about War Memorial Stadium. I don’t know why you would use a MSA map, but if it gives you the mileage between the campuses, then do yourself a favor and add them up, because even War Memorial is far closer to Big-XII schools than those of the SEC.

Anyone else who thinks that I’m a “Yankee”, that I wish Arkansas would move to the Big-XII or who wants to pretend that I don’t think that Arkansas is a Southern state, needs to take a reading comprehension class, because those things only exist in that incompetent thing that’s sitting atop your shoulders.

Weston

May 12th, 2010
6:08 pm

Dude you said we were more culturally aligned with Nebraska and Iowa. That is saying Arkansas is not southern without actually saying it. I dont know what state youve been living in these last 40 years but it sure isnt the Arkansas we all know and love.