Why Arkansas will not leave the SEC

 Looks like it is going to be a long, hot summer on the expansion front with reporters chasing ghosts and rumors of ghosts.

A radio station in Kansas City got everybody hot and bothered yesterday when it reported that the Big Ten had already extended offers to four schools: Missouri, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Rutgers. For the rest of the day there was one report after another from those respective campuses saying: “That’s news to us.”

Understand that a story like this is not true right up until the minute that it is. In other words, the invitations won’t be (officially) extended by the Big Ten until that league already knows they will be accepted.

The Big Ten is not going to extend and invitation to a school and say “No hurry, guys. Just do your homework and get back to us when you can.”

Nobody will get a chance to say “No” publicly to the Big Ten.

So let’s talk about something we do know when it comes to expansion and it is this: There has been speculation that if Missouri and/or Nebraska leave the Big 12 that SEC member Arkansas would be tempted to go back to its Southwest Conference roots. South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier speculated as much on a recent conference call of SEC coaches.

Let me tell you in no uncertain terms why that won’t happen. Back in 1991 Arkansas left the Southwest Conference for the SEC because athletics director Frank Broyles, one of the shrewdest administrators to ever walk on a college campus, could look down the road and see that he’d make more money—a lot more money—in the SEC. Commissioner Roy Kramer had a plan that entailed a 12-team conference with a championship game.

You’d have to say that Frank Broyles was right. In 1990 the 10 SEC schools shared $16.4 million, about $1.6 million per school.  Today, the SEC now has a $3 billion TV contract with CBS and ESPN. This season each SEC school will receive about $17 million in shared revenue during the spring meetings in Destin.

When you are trying to guess what school will land where if there is expansion upheaval, remember that these decisions made on the basis of money. Also remember that the SEC and the Big Ten are the big financial dogs in this game. Arkansas is not going to jump off the SEC train for less money in the Big 12. And they would get less money.

Berry Trammel, the fine reporter with the Daily Oklahoman, pointed out earlier this year that while the Big Ten and the SEC share their revenue equally, the Big 12 does not. The Big 12 puts half of its revenue in a common pool which is shared equally. The other half goes into an “appearance” pool and is passed out based on the number of times a team is on TV. Obviously a system like that accrues greater benefits to Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. The gap between Texas, which will earn about $12 million this season, and the bottom team in the league is several million dollars.

 Obviously, the other members of the Big 12 don’t particularly like this arrangement but those three schools, especially Texas, make up the engine that drives the financial train. You want Texas to leave? Try changing that formula.

Missouri will go to the Big Ten if offered for that very reason. Do you think Arkansas wants to jump into that environment? No chance.

 

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262 comments Add your comment

Zaaaaaaa Nachos

May 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Saban rules!!!!

Bleeeeeeeeee! I want my chocolate milk NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteerPower

May 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Dear, Dear Mike…you have a short memory…when Ark was in the SWC they were a major recruiter in Texas (probably as many as 1/2 of their players had TX after his name) and that is why they had some pretty durn good teams back in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, but once they left the SWC a lot of that recruiting ability dried up and Arkansas has never really gotten back to being a perennial football powerhouse like they once were in the old SWC…so, leaving a conference and a recruiting area can most definitely have a devastating effect on a school. The only NC teams and close to NC teams Ark ever had were in the SWC with Texas High School Players manning the boats.

Sec fan

May 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Make that 20 years u want to throw tech in there.

HAWGIN'

May 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Texas Ex,

The only problem I have is your revisionist history especially your timeline. Arkansas and Texas were approached about leaving the SWC for the SEC. Texas, due to political reasons that you seem familiar with was unable to leave. Arkansas left…because the grass was much greener in the SEC. Not because we were about to be excluded from a conference that did not even exist at the time we left.

Arkansas left because it was a good deal. Period. All other nonesence is a frabrication.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

Uh oh. Nachos is back! You Auburn fans better go into hiding.

SteerPower

May 11th, 2010
3:03 pm

Dear Mike, what’s so valuable about Arkansas? I’ve been there and all I saw was a lot of shanty type houses lining narrow, bumpy unkept roads and a lot of trees…outside of maybe some nice lakes for fishing, I don’t see anything so valuable there.

And, I agree that Arkansas will never leave the SEC….where else could they go and add so little and get so much back? That’s like having a Government Job….put as little effort as possible in, never get fired unless the boss catches you with his wife, get a real nice pay check at the end of the month, get your mandatory yearly cost of living raises and all the perks that go with it, but never really have to be aggressive, hard working, or diligent…just have to occasionally show up and leave the bosses’ wife alone.

Beast from the East

May 11th, 2010
3:05 pm

Tide, I agree. That’s why I said I didn’t think that was a fair statement. Probably didn’t word it too well, though. Bottom line is the SEC has been the dominant conference for some time….especially the last 10 years. I do think the ACC will improve their BCS showings in the next 3-5 years. FSU will get better, Tech is imrpoving, UNC is getting better, VT is always solid. They need Miami and Clemson to improve, but I don’t think they’ve got the right coaches to bring them much more than 8-4 or 9-3 seasons.

SteerPower

May 11th, 2010
3:06 pm

“Hawgin”…let me clear it up for YOU… TexasEx revisionist history was a lot more right than yours…My father was a State Senator during that period and he kept me informed about all the ‘behind the scenes” activity, and Texas Ex is pretty much right on!

T3

May 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

Just consider this:

Big 12 is curretly:

NORTH: Nebraska, Mizzou, Iowa State, Kansas, KanSt, Colorado.
SOUTH: OK, OKSt, TX, TxAM, TxTech, Baylor,

If Nebraska and/or Mizzou leave the Big12 for a bigger Big10,
what will they Big12 do next?

Option 1: Will they stay at 10? Would they stay at 10 and form an “allaince” with the Pac10 that has been rumored?

Options 2: Will they join the SEC?

Option 3: Will they look to replace those two teams?

Option 1: Medium probability.

While its possible, just dont see the Big12 staying with 10 teams. An “alliance” with the Pac10 is possible whether Big12 is 12 or 10 teams.

Option 2: Lowest probability.
No chance in Hell.

Option 3: Highest Probability.

Big12 repalces two teams. The only question becomes…who.

The MOST LIKLEY candidates:
Arkansas, Houston, BYU, Utah, NewMex, NewMexSt, UTEP.
SMU, and TCU are good schools, but VERY small.
So, while not impossible, just not very likely.

Arkansas would be the CLEAR FRONT-RUNNER, with Houston and UTEP very close second & third b/c both are large Texas schools, which matters A LOT to the State of Texas.

If Colorado also leaves Big12, BYU or Utah becomes likely repalcement candidate. If Big 12 & Pac10 cut an “alliance” deal, Colorado would likely stay in the Big12.

Bank on it: Nebraska is headed to the Big10.
No reason whatsoever for them to stay in the Big12.

Highly probable Mizzou is too. However, MIzzous recruits a lot in Texas.

So…under the HIGHEST PROBABILITY Big12 scenario…
Arkansas would be the PREMIER candidate for the Big12 to call on.

And yet “Mr. College Football” totally dismisses that with…
“Let me tell you IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS why that won’t happen.”

Anyone else notice that TB…NEVER…mentioned this issue…
until the news came out the Big10 offered both Nebraska and Mizzou.

That announcement meant the Big12 was gonna be going “shopping.” Coincidence? Nope.

The very fact that TB (Mike Slive’s “mouthpiece”)
trotted this pathetic piece out…so soon after the Big10 “news”
tells me that, quietly behind the scenes, it is ACTIVELY being considered.

In fact, I imagine by now the Big12 has ALREADY had
a casual conversation with some Arkansas “people”
for, ahem, contingency planning purposes.

TB is a hack.

GT Ball Fan

May 11th, 2010
3:15 pm

Arkansas will not leave the SEC. The SEC is fine with 12 teams, I don’t think expansion brings a whole lot more to the table. Outside of Notre Dame, I think SEC teams get the biggest payout (TV revenue + Bowl revenue). With that said, I don’t see anybody from the ACC jumping ship to the SEC. The names that keep coming up are Miami, FSU, Clemson and GT aren’t going anywhere any time soon!

Suspended SEC Officiating Crew

May 11th, 2010
3:20 pm

We sincerely apologize to Arkansas,……………. for taking away their victory over Florida last year.

Beast from the East

May 11th, 2010
3:24 pm

Suspended, why do dawgs obsess over that call more than the Razorbacks? I guess when you can’t beat someone yourself, you just pray like heck that someone else does. Keep on whining and let us know where that gets you (see Josh Smith).

John

May 11th, 2010
3:31 pm

SEC = more money, but exactly how much? That’s the issue. Wins will come easier in the Big 12 and the revenue that follows those wins come close the gap and even provide more.

ga native

May 11th, 2010
3:32 pm

i agree.

arkansas is a good candidate for the big-12 to poach from the sec.

Hogfan_1

May 11th, 2010
3:34 pm

All of this is a mute point, especially since ARKANSAS will win the SEC this year in football. Go Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
3:45 pm

Beast from the East,

Drives you nuts don’t it. I’ve been hearing the same thing about how the refs stole our game from UT because Cody should have been penalized for taking his helmet off. Never mind that had they called the penalty that we would have retained possession of the ball since the penalty would have been assessed AFTER the play. Some of these folks you just can’t argue with. For the record I thought the 15 yarder against the Ark defensive player was a terrible call but I also think Florida had too much momentum at the time and couldn’t have been stopped anyway. As Pat Dye used to say ” We had about 115 other plays in the game to make a difference. I’m not going to blame a loss on one bad call when we had plenty of other opportunities to change the outcome”. I always did like Pat Dye even if he was an Auburn man.

Shankit

May 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

Reptiles Rule
Division 1 football is already ruined.
It’s all about the money, don’t give a
hoot about their ol’ loyal fans, only the
ones that have the cash.
Same with the Masters and their badges.

SteerPower

May 11th, 2010
3:50 pm

SteerPower

May 11th, 2010
3:53 pm

I just heard on the local news that Texas officials and SEC Commissioner are having a news conference this afternoon at 5PM..

HAWGIN'

May 11th, 2010
3:54 pm

SteerPower,

Really?

So you know what really happened because…wait for it…your daddy told you so?

Really?

I guess I’ll just have to rely on Frank Broyles own account. I suppose now you’ll call Frank a liar yadda, yadda, yadda…

Is it so hard to believe that Arkansas left solely because it was a good deal for them? Does it hurt Texas pride so much to believe that simple truth?

I guess it’s much easier to believe some elaborate conspiracy theroy about Arkansas being excluded from some future conference that did not exist at the time. The SEC is better than the SWC. The SEC is better than the Big Twelve…those are facts. And those are why Arkansas is in the SEC today and it’s why they’ll be in the SEC for a long time to come.

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

I’m neutral in this Hog/ Horn debate but I remember when all this went down. To me its common knowledge that the SEC made overtures to Ark, it was a good deal and Ark bolted. The big 12 was not even in existence at the time so how could Ark be spurned by a conference that had yet to be in existence? I would probably agree with Tony who said Broyles was a shrewd negotiator and got a deal done with the SEC well in advance.

WizardofhOgZ

May 11th, 2010
4:01 pm

T3 – where to begin?

Let me start with your Jerry Jones fixation.

You speak as if it is a given that Jones not only prefers that Arkansas be in the Big 12, but that he’s consumed by it and would do almost anything to make it happen.

Would you please provide one link that backs that up – even mildly. I do NOT want your opinion on the matter; I want FACTS.

If yall you’re going by is that he was behind getting Arkansas to play A&M in the “Southwest Classic” at Jerry World, then you are mistaken – because that was ALL about generating huge revenue for the Razorback program, and recruiting access to the talent-rich DFW area. That it also benefits A&M is irrelevant – someone had to play Arkansas there.

Also, your moronic statement about Jones “throwing Tom Landry under the bus” shows me all I need to know about hour football acumen. Riddle me this, Batman – what happens to NFL coaches whose teams go 7–9, 7–8 and 3–13 in consecutive seasons?

That’s right – they get fired. And had new ownership (Jones) not moved in after the 1988 season, prior owner Bum Bright is on record as admitting that he would have fired Landry as well (see link below). It’s just that loyal Dallas fans hated to see him go and focused their wrath that the convenient newcomer rather than the coach that had forced the issue by becoming ineffective.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/1431/one-of-jerry-jones-biggest-regrets

Your scenario for Arkansas “demanding” that the Big 12 cough up more than the $17 million they will make this year from the SEC (while Texas is getting $12 million this year) is ludicrous. Yeah – and I’m going to walk my ugly arse into Spielberg’s office and demand that he sign me a deal better than Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks have!

A) The money is not there to do that. B) Texas will NOT allow anyone to make as much money as they do, let alone make more.

As a corollary to the above, one of the reasons Arkansas left the SWC was the uneven revenue splitting that Texas demanded, and there is no way they will go back to a conference with such an arrangement (= Big 12).

Finally – what does the blathering you spend your entire last paragraph about (your first post in the thread) have to do with ANYTHING relevant here? Who cares where Broyles played his college ball, or that he stayed at Arkansas when he had the chance to return to Tech 40 years ago? That’s all very interesting, but I don’t see what it has to do with this discussion.

There’s more to quibble with in your post – but that’s enough to discredit you sufficiently to invalidate your entire post.

Louisiana Monroe Fan

May 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

We did’nt need the officials to help us beat big bad Bama in Bryant-Denney.

Big Man

May 11th, 2010
4:06 pm

T3 laid it down……

Petrino Suitcase Company

May 11th, 2010
4:06 pm

UGA beat Arkansas …….Beast of the East.

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
4:08 pm

gabriel – You’re a real angel, but..

Sorry, I apologize; I just couldn’t resist that one. Anyway, I doubt the reconstitution of the SWC will occur. Texas wants bigger fish to fry, and those are out on the left coast. They and Texas A&M, plus the Oklahoma pair could join the PAC 10 and form the Best Western.

I prefer for the sake of the SEC schools in the east that *most* of them conspire with much of the existing ACC to capture the TV markets of DC, Baltimore, Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham, plus Richmond. With the strong football reps of the SEC East conspirators, that captures the Piedmont from Birmingham through the Carolinas, plus Nashville and Knoxville.

Kentucky could be better served by joining with basketball power Kansas in remnants of the Big 12. If Texas, Texas A&M and the Oklahomas don’t go left-coastal, the Big xx should happily accept Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss and Miss. St. with little complaint, with their conference otherwise falling apart with the loss of Mo and Neb. They could even take Miami, since the new/old “Southern Conference” of 16 teams would have to trim a few. I imagine Boston College would want to follow ND to the Big Ten+6. Rutgers already has the offer, apparently, and that extends the Big Ten+6 northern sweep from the great plains to Boston.

The Big Ten+6 wins huge TV contract $$, the Southern wins huge TV contract $$, and Don’t Mess with Texas gets to remain king of the fire ant region.

Coach in waiting room

May 11th, 2010
4:09 pm

Don’t mess with the SEC……… muschamp.

T3

May 11th, 2010
4:15 pm

Historical records.

The approx number of times Arkansas has played
the following teams over the past 100 years:

Baylor: 68
Houston: 18
OK: 14
OK State: 45
Rice: 64
SMU: 68
Texas: 77
Texas A&M: 63
TCU: 66
Texas Tech: 35
Tulsa: 68

Bama: 20
Auburn: 18
LSU: 53
Ole Miss: 55
Miss St: 19
SoCar: 19
Tenn: 16

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
4:15 pm

shankit – “Division 1 football is already ruined.”

We spell that “rurnt.”

I kind of agree, but it’s also about survival now. The Big Ten+6 is imminent, and Iran has nukes.

bob

May 11th, 2010
4:19 pm

boston college back to big east louisville into acc .then merge acc and sec into super conf

WizardofhOgZ

May 11th, 2010
4:21 pm

Steerpower,

Let’s be clear about this – just because your Pop was busy molesting interns in Austin doesn’t give you any credibility here. And while your tale is sprinkled with “some” truth, the overall story just doesn’t bear out.

I will say that it’s true that Broyles fretted about what would come after the inevitable break-up of the dysfunctional SWC. But rather than wait to see “what happened next”, Broyles was proactive in forming a solution for his school so he wouldn’t become a victim (see Rice, SMU, TCU, Houston). In fact – as Broyles has been quoted as saying for years now – Texas and A&M wanted to come to the SEC along with Arkansas. But the SEC wanted Arkansas and Texas; and the Horns’ A.D. told Broyles to “go first”, because he couldn’t, politically. But that once Arkansas had gone (and mortally injured the SWC), he would be able to do so. Of course, he was NOT able to deliver on that promise because of the difficulties encountered in the Texas legislature.

So, it IS fair to claim Broyles as being visionary. Had he stayed, he may – or may not – have had more options; but it is clear that he ended up with the best option by being proactive. Texas may deny it, but they with they had been able to do the same thing.

Read this: http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

T3,

Those are good numbers and shows that Ark has some good rivalries with a handful of big 12 teams. But the reality is that if Texas and TAM both go pac 10 then there would only be historic rivalries left with Baylor/Ok state and to a lesser degree Texas Tech in the big 12. Not enough reason to warrant leaving the money of the sec to play in a totally revamped and weakened big 12 after the big 10 and pac 10 raid the big 12 for Texas, TAM, NEB, MIZZOU, and maybe Colorado.

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
4:27 pm

T3,

Also, since TEX and TAM would be gone it looks like Ark has a much bigger historic rivalry with LSU and Ole Miss 53 and 55 games each then they would with the remnants of the big 12 in Ok state 45 games and Tex Tech 35 games.

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Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
4:41 pm

bob – ACC wouldn’t take Louisville; they are a Tier 3 academic school.

T3

May 11th, 2010
4:54 pm

Wizard: Reading is FUNDAMENTAL. Try it sometime.

Let me copy/paste E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what I wrote:

“Arkansas has a LONG, HISTORICAL relationship with teams from the old SWC. There are Arkansas alumni, like Jerry Jones, that might like the idea of having Arkansas in the Big12, rather than the SEC.”

I SPECIFICALLY stated that Jones…
“…might like the idea of having Arkansas in the Big12…”

Jones may not care…AT ALL.

But, if Jones DOES have an interest in the idea, then it wouldnt come as a surprise if he wanted to add his influence to the idea. Doesnt guarantee anything.

What it SOOO difficult for you to understand about THAT?
Is your reading comprehension…THAT BAD??????

Your comment: “…for Arkansas “demanding” that the Big 12 cough up more money…” WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ????

Again, let me copy/paste E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what I wrote:

“If the BIg12 wants Arkansas, they will HAVE to see to it that Arkansas earns at least $17Million.”

The point was the Big12 was going to have to come up
with a way to pay Ark at least $17M or enough to lure them
away from the SEC.

As for Tom Landry, the man was a LEGEND in the NFL, in almost EVERY WAY.

There is a time for coaches/players, etc. to move on.

The WAY Jones handled that was disgusting, even to all the die-hard Cowboy fans. JOnes caught so much Hell for it that he later issued his long over-due apology you linked.

Even Bobby Cox is getting a season-long, end of career “tour” with the Braves this year. Jones screwed up badly on how he handled Tom Landry’s exit/retirement. Jones blew it, and only years later did he admit it and apologize.

Next time, try R-E-A-D-I-N-G.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
5:03 pm

Garth,
I think you need a geography lesson. Last time I checked Arkansas is in the Southeast. On top of that Arkansas is much more “southern” then Florida. I’ve lived in Arkansas all my life and trust me everyone here associates themselves with the south. Give me a break Florida has to be the least southern state of all the southern states. Geographically Florida obviously is southern but it hardly is culutrally except for the panhandle.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
5:15 pm

To all of you asking what Arkansas bring to the SEC let me hit you with some facts. Arkansas has won more national championships than any other SEC school. We have an elite baseball program, an up and coming football program, and a sleeping giant basketball program. I love football as much as any SEC fan but some of yall have forgot that football isnt the only sport played in the SEC.

Tide Rising

May 11th, 2010
5:24 pm

Weston,

I doubt that. Georgia has something crazy like 28 national championships in men’s golf alone, women’s gymnastics they have a bunch. Florida has a lot of championships also in a lot of different things like women’s softball, etc. Do you have a source for your info?

Weston

May 11th, 2010
5:30 pm

Wikipedia it has a table of all the SEC schools and how many NC’s they have won. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SEC_national_champions

Weston

May 11th, 2010
5:32 pm

I know it shoes that LSU and Arkansas are tied with 42 but one of LSU’s is from Men’s boxing so quite frankly I dont think that should count.

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
5:57 pm

Weston – Wikipedia isn’t a comprehensive list. All National Poll Championships from all ranking sources can be found here:

http://collegefootball.procon.org

Click on the underlined text on the site “Princeton and Rutgers were declared the first national champions in 1869″ and download a 124 page PDF file of Football Bowl Subdivision Records through 2009.

Pages 78 – 115 contain all the poll info.

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
5:59 pm

weston – Sorry, the source I gave in the previous post is football only.

HeadHog

May 11th, 2010
6:02 pm

Arkansas gets $17.1 Million from the SEC. Plus, $5 Million from the Texas A&M game in Dallas every year.

Arkansas gets $22.1 Million from TV alone, Beat that any other conference.

Arkansas is South of the Mason-Dixon line. Plays in 2 stadiums Fayetteville and Little Rock.

Arkansas’ biggest rivals (Games Played in total) In this order.. Texas, Baylor, TexasA&M, Ole Miss and LSU. (BCS Conference Teams)

We have brought MANY National Championships to the SEC in multiple sports. We are annually in the College World Series.

#16 in Richest Football Program (Frobes.com). This will only increase, we have raised tickets prices in both LIttle Rock and Fayetteville. If we can at least get our basketball team decent again we climb higher.

Arkansas brings 3 Million TV sets to the SEC and its not divided up between States with schools in different Conferences.

Everyone else just wants Arkansas’ spot, Sorry buddy, *Smiles and gives a one finger hello* :-) ~

Cattleman

May 11th, 2010
6:02 pm

Steerpower, huh. I don’t think you know what a steer is.

Weston

May 11th, 2010
6:03 pm

Exactly my point isnt about who’s won the most football national championships its about who has the most NC’s from all sports.

WizardofhOgZ

May 11th, 2010
6:15 pm

T3:

1) You may have “specifically stated” that Jerry Jones “might like the idea of having Arkansas in the Big 12″ . . .but that’s far from all you said. That one small excerpt totally downplays your obvious obsession with the man. You also went on to write:

“Jones is a MULI-BILLIONAIRE. If Jones really wants Arkansas to leave the SEC, then Arkansas will leave. Period.”

“If joins wants Arkansas in the Big12, then he will likely see to it that Big12 revenue-sharing arrangements are changed so that Arkansas doesn’t get short shrift.”

“Jerry Jones is OBVIOUSLY not in charge of the decision-making for Arkansas, but, he has LOTS & LOTS & LOTS OF MONEY with which to “influence” this consideration. If he really wanted Arkansas to move, he will bring a “significant” degree of influence to the decision process. What if Jerry Jones just CHOSE to write a VERY VERY LARGE check to the University of Arkansas? U of Arkansas administration would PROBABLY “carefully’ evaluate the POSSIBILITY of going to the Big12.”

“You dont think an alum cant have THAT kind of influence. Just look at Bobby Lowder and his alma mater, Auburn. BTW, Lowder has millions. Jones has BILLIONS.”

By the way – you also write in your most recent response to me “But, if Jones DOES have an interest in the idea, then it wouldn’t come as a surprise if he wanted to add his influence to the idea. Doesn’t guarantee anything.” However, in the quotes I provided (from your prior posts in THIS thread), you stated “If Jones really wants Arkansas to leave the SEC, then Arkansas will leave. Period.”

So – which is it? No reading comprehension problem on my end; you, however, seem to be contradicting yourself.

2) Let’s go back to this comment you made about Jones:

“If joins wants Arkansas in the Big12, then he (J Jones) will likely see to it that Big12 revenue-sharing arrangements are changed so that Arkansas doesn’t get short shrift.”

Again, with your conspiracy theories about Jones and Arkansas, you CLEARLY imply here that if Arkansas wants to join the Big 12, then Jones (in Arkansas’ behalf) can “snap his fingers” and make it happen.

This is YOUR theory – not mine.

3) Again, you simply show (easy for YOU) that you fail to grasp the reality of the situation regarding Landry’s termination.

First – NO ONE said he wasn’t a legend. But he was also past his time and need to either (a) retire (preferably) or (b) be terminated. I lived in Dallas at that time, and still do; and I can assure you that many of the long-time Dallas fans that grumbled about this at the time (many of which still do) were outspoken in their desire for him to step down or be fired during the 1987 and – in particular – the 1988 season. This was every-day water cooler talk in Dallas.

When it went down, the local media performed a hatchet job on this “Arkie” who had come in and “stolen” their prize jewel. It affects simple minds – like yours – to this day. But rational, objective people (like myself) saw then EXACTLY what I see now. That Jones WELL-INTENTIONED efforts to do it the RIGHT way were shamelessly portrayed as something other than what they were by a pandering local media who chose to channel the anger and sadness of the local fans instead of uphold their journalistic duty to tell the story honestly. It is one of the most shameful episodes of lynch-mob journalism that I have witnessed in recent years.

How anyone can read the article I linked (in the prior post) and see that Jones was guilty of anything other than following poor advice (from nationally renowned professionals int he PR field) is beyond me. Of course, it would have made life easier for everyone if Landry hadn’t been a stubborn old fool who didn’t know that it was 2 years past time for him to resign with grace and receive all the accolades and celebration he certainly had earned. And don’t be fooled – Landry purposely made it hard for Jones to locate and terminate him rather than fall on his sword gracefully, as someone like a Jimmy Johnson would have had the smarts and savvy to do in a similar situation.

No – you’re just full of hate and Jones is a convenient target. Fools like you rarely see beyond what the media spoon feeds you.

Believe what you want. As for me – the truth is good enough.

4) Finally . . . you have still to explain what that diatribe about Broyles playing at Georgia Tech and then turning down their coaching job . . . . yada, yada . . . was all about. By ignoring the question, you imply that we’ve forgotten you blathered on ad nauseam about this.

We haven’t. Please explain yourself.

kgator79

May 11th, 2010
6:46 pm

If Arkansas was so great in so many sports with all these so called national titles then why is it every year its Florida who walks away with the SEC All Sports trophy (19 out of 20 years now) and Arkansas is never even close?

Delbert D.

May 11th, 2010
7:00 pm

HeadHog – “Arkansas brings 3 Million TV sets to the SEC and its not divided up between States with schools in different Conferences.”

I’m not trying to take a shot at you, but where does the 3 million TV sets number come from? The 2009 census lists the population as 2.889 million. Is part of the TV sets number from viewers in Texas?

HeadHog

May 11th, 2010
7:23 pm

Delbert D,

I’m also including the 102,000 illegal Aliens that live in Arkansas. U.S. Immigration predicts Arkansas to over 3.0 Million in 2011. We also broadcast all games in Spanish. There has been a massive Immigration, not accurately counted, according to the U.S. Immigration website about Arkansas since 2005.

Arkansas’ biggest Alumni base is in Dallas.
LSU’s biggest Alumni base is in Houston.

With the new ESPN deal many SEC games will now be broadcast in Texas which will help the SEC because of Arkansas and LSU.

The Texas TV rating numbers are not yet determined since this is the 2nd year of the new ESPN/CBS contract.