ACC needs an expansion plan–right now
Bear Bryant used to end his Sunday night television show with these words: “Don’t forget to call your Mama. I wish I could call mine.” I was lucky to be with my Mama on Sunday in Madison, Ga. Hope you had a great Mother’s Day as well.
The ACC Spring Meetings begin today at the lovely beach-front Ritz-Carlton Hotel at Amelia Island. Think the Big Ten’s possible expansion plans will come up? Yes it will because there are some athletics directors who are going to sit in the day’s first meeting with commissioner John Swofford and want to know three things: 1) What do we expect the Big Ten to do? 2) How do we expect the SEC to react? 3) What is our plan if No. 1 and No. 2 both happen?
It wasn’t that long ago that the ACC was expanding and dipping into the Big East for three teams (Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech). The ACC was the aggressor in an effort to expand to 12 teams and bulk up its status as major player in football.
It hasn’t been a failure as some detractors would suggest, but neither has it been the rousing success that the football forces in the ACC had hoped. Florida State and Miami, which were placed in separate divisions to maximize their punch, are still struggling to get back on the national stage. The conference championship game has been a mixed bag, depending on the matchup. The ACC remains the only conference of the Big Six not to place two teams in BCS bowls in the same season. The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since the ACC last expanded.
The ACC did get a good initial TV contract from expansion but that contract ends after the 2010-2011 season. The ACC is in the midst of its negotiation for a new football deal and the numbers that are being offered, I’ve been told, are not particularly good given the marketplace, where the economy is down and the Big Ten and SEC are sucking up about 50 percent of the available dollars. Don’t be surprised if the ACC brings on another TV partner, like Fox or the NFL Network, hoping to generate more revenue.
The fact is that the ACC is as vulnerable right now as the Big East was back in 2003. Here’s why:
If the Big Ten expands to 16 teams the SEC may feel the need to follow suit. The SEC could look to the ACC and take some teams (like Florida State) to solidify its Southern footprint.
Here is another item that should concern you as an ACC fan. My buddy Blair Kerkoff of the Kansas City Star reports that the Pac-10 and Big 12 are having discussions about the possibility of forming an alliance and negotiating their TV deals as one unit. Together they would have more clout (and more television sets) than individually.
Here are the facts, folks, and I hope my friends in the ACC are reading this down in Amelia Island. If the Big Ten goes to 16 teams, the Big East is going to be out of the football business. The SEC and the Big Ten dominate the marketplace. They will get their money while the Pac-10, Big 12, and ACC are going to be scrambling for what’s left.
If those three conferences don’t already have contingency plans in place, they had better put them together—and fast. I know that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany has said his expansion plans are still in a 12-18 month window. I don’t believe that and there are some very smart people who work in this business who don’t believe it either.
Because once the Big Ten makes its move, this thing is going to move very quickly. It’s going to be like a high-stakes game of musical chairs and somebody may get left without a quality seat, financially speaking, at the college football’s Big Boy table. And that could be our friends at the ACC.
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Mikey
May 10th, 2010
10:40 am
Dilution !
Friends, have you had one of those Bud Select 55 beers?
That is dilution at it’s finest. Just a watered down product like the Super Conferences will be if allowed to expand even more.
Dilution is NOT the solution to pollution.
Otto
May 10th, 2010
10:42 am
kgator, Agreed the TV ratings are in the crapper and going up against a SEC or Big 12 title game that will likely decide who will play in the BCS title game does not help.
If FSU, Miami, VT etc are in hunt for the BCS title game the ratings will go up.
kgator79
May 10th, 2010
10:44 am
People did not travel to Florida to watch the ACC game because quite honestly the ACC schools for the most part do not have that passionate of fan bases when it comes to football. When refering to the ACC most national people refer to only one school as having a “SEC type” passion in its fan base…clemson. Even schools with past tradition like FSU dont have it as much. They are struggling to sell tickets in their own stadium right now as do most ACC schools. Big 12, SEC, Big 10 do not have those problems at all. Sellouts every week and where ever their teams travel they will be there.
Otto
May 10th, 2010
10:44 am
Charlie Bama, far to late for that, CFB is big business. The ideal thing is for ND to jump to the Big 10 and for the PAC10 to take 2 teams.
SOOHSO
May 10th, 2010
10:46 am
UGA should join ACC!! Thoughts???
NCDAWG1
May 10th, 2010
10:47 am
Tony = Chicken Little- Where did you get your research funding numbers? According to the National Science Foundations ratings, Ga Tech received $440m in research funding last year, UGA $323m. Obviously, Tech gets more, but at nowhere near the spread ($500m/200m) you made up out of the blue.
Also, there are 3 SEC schools in the NSF’s top 50, compared to 4 ACC schools. Not that much of a discrepancy.
kgator79
May 10th, 2010
10:48 am
Dan…
Only having two weeks to plan to go to the conference title game is a bit of a lame excuse when conferences like the Big 12 and SEC deal with the same and sellout within hours of the announced matchup. Its nothing against ACC fans, but for the most part they live for bball season. Its very similar to the ordeal the SEC has with their bball conference tourney. Very tough time selling it out because outside of Kentucky, there is not a great passion for basketball. They live for football season while basketball is just something to pass the time. Something I think most ACC fans view of football until basketball season gets here.
Charlie Bama
May 10th, 2010
10:48 am
Otto –Agree. PAC should expand and ND needs to take the plunge. This Big-10 to 16 is overboard, I think.
POAD
May 10th, 2010
10:52 am
ACC should look to maybe add West Virginia(Big East), South Florida(Big East), Pittsburgh(big East), East Carolina (C USA), UCF (C USA), and VANDY (SEC). Choose from these 6 teams and make a hard push. Vandy needs to leave the SEC anyway. If we get Vandy, WVU, and Pittsburg that would put the ACC in 10 States. We have to Keep OUR teams and get a few more.
Dan
May 10th, 2010
10:54 am
Kgator, I am not taking anything personally. I think there may be cultural reasons why the game has struggled but I also think the site has been unstable. I think if the conference settles on Charlotte, it will be better attended. Also, there have been several years when the Big XII game was not sold out.
If the Big XII settles on playing the game at Jerry World in Dallas, then I expect it will be an annual sellout like the SEC in Atlanta.
RDR
May 10th, 2010
10:55 am
There’s just very little interest in ACC football. It’s a basketball conference.
Ted Striker
May 10th, 2010
10:56 am
Tony, everything you’re saying makes sense. However, if I may digress…
Unlikely as it is, I wouldn’t mind all of this — the mergers and TV deals for huge money eventually blowing up in the conferences’ faces. It might be 15-20 years, it might be never, but something is wrong with the system in my eyes.
Conferences cater to themselves, professing to be about “the student athlete” — all while building up their own coffers and shamelessly pimping out the athletic abilities of 18-22 year olds. It’s true the athletes get benefits. Recognition, [fleeting] fame, and a scholarship. But let’s not fool ourselves. The conferences do what they do mainly for the benefit of people employed by the conferences, not for the athletes who come through the school.
ACC --> 16
May 10th, 2010
10:56 am
NORTH: SOUTH:
Boston College Miami
UConn USF
Syracuse FSU
Rutgers Georgia Tech
Maryland Clemson
Virginia Tech NC State
Virginia UNC
Wake Forest Duke
T3
May 10th, 2010
10:57 am
Otto
I disagree. What Jerry WANTS, Jerry GETS.
Just dont see Tx, TxAM, OK, OKSt voluntarily turnnig over the keys to the “cash regsiter” to ANYONE, when they already OWN the Big 12’s “cash regsiter.”
If, Neb, Mizz, and IST all move to Big 10, then a Pac10-Big12/10 “alliance” would only require the “Big-9″ to add one team.
The VERY FIRST phone call will go to Arkansas.
Any other phone call will likely go to another “Southwest conference” team, like SMU, Houston, or perhaps a Texas-based team like UTEP or TCU.
I would sooner look for Big 12 to add Houston, UTEP, SMU, TCU, Utah, BYU, NewMex, or NewMexSt before joining the SEC.
Big12 has something NO OTHER conference has:
ENDLESS SUPPLY OF “OIL” MONEY.
Big 10 “ultimaltey” cant compete with that when Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania are all either CURRENTLY bankrupt,
or very soon will be.
SEC cant either. Even SEC cant compete with OIL MONEY when an
EVER-RISING number of SEC fans in SEC states are unemployed.
With states of California & Arizona “circling the drain,”
Pac10 is gonna suffer basdly when their universities are beset by big econmic problems.
Me and You and a Dawg Named Belue
May 10th, 2010
11:00 am
The new and improved SEC:
SEC East (in no particular order)
1. F: the Gators
2. UGA
3. USC (not the real one)
4. Free Shoes Univ.
5. Clemson
6. UK
7. UT
8. Vandy
SEC West
1. LSU
2. Bammers
3. Aw barn
4. Ole Miss
5. Miss St
6. Georgia Yech
7. Arkansas
8. Memphis
Two common opponents in other division. For UGA (Tech, Auburn). For Tennessee (bama, Memphis), etc.
The best part about this for Fla, Ga, and SC fans is they don’t have to “waste” a home and home every year on their big rival. Unlike Bama and Tenn and Auburn who get to play their big game as a conference game, this makes more sense.
gmoney
May 10th, 2010
11:06 am
MMA is stupid
They play football in the ACC?
6 ACC teams on Tony’s pre pre season top 25. NC, GT, VT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson…I would say that’s playing football…more than any other conference. MMA is stupid and that’s a stupid question.
Way too long
May 10th, 2010
11:10 am
The super conferences are coming. What the super conferences do is consolidate power in smaller and smaller hands. As long as the networks are willing to fork over boatloads of cash to get these super conferences, the super conferences will exist. The most logical next move is 4 super conferences with two 8 team divisions in each. You can preserve most historical rivalries in the divisions, which will look like the old conferences. For instance, the Big 10 would dump Illinois(because they suck), Iowa (because they would fit better with teams from the Big 12), and Penn State (because they are not a historical Big 10 member) into the new division with the 5 teams they add. SEC would be smart to move Auburn and Bama to the East, and then decide whether to dump Kentucky, Vandy and/or USC and bring in GT and/or Clemson. The SEC West becomes a mishmash of old SWAC, SEC, and FSU. There will definitely be LSU, Ole Miss, Ark, Miss St, then try and get Texas, Texas A&M, FSU, and then bring in either Kentucky, Vandy, or move on someone like Houston, Louisville, SMU, or even TCU. For the most part, these are teams that don’t have as many historical rivals or are not historically good teams. The point is, the ACC has 7 strong historical teams (tobacco road, virginia, clemson, and maryland), so depending on what happens with FSU, GT, and Clemson, those teams can move into the same division, and then the old Big East teams and whatever else the ACC can round up(Big East and strong east coast CUSA teams) will move into another division. Old Pac-8 teams can go into their own division, and the Arizona teams will try to move in with the remaining Big 12 teams(basically, the old Big 8 teams that are remaining). This plan squeezes out the mid-major powers and former mid-majors(like Louisville). Those schools will be fighting to get the few potential spots that open up and will be trying to convince the super conferences to dump bad teams like Iowa St, or Wash St. Basically, these four super conferences would lock out any team that doesn’t get in. The best way around this is to have 6 or, better, 8 super conferences(in which the 8 divisions described in the 4 super conference scenario are sent out to be different conferences with upper and lower divisions, where the winner of the upper division might be Bama, and the winner of the Lower division might be ECU, so the upper division is usually vastly stronger than the lower division). The other option is for those teams left out to create their own super conferences and set up a separate championship. Or maybe the remaining 60 teams go back to I-AA and dominate.
PTC DAWG
May 10th, 2010
11:12 am
I like it the way it is now, SEC and ACC…..Clemson adds NOTHING to the SEC in terms of TV market…they don’t even need to be discussed due to that fact.
I’m not sure Miami adds anything in Florida in TV market…I see FSU as being more of a player than Miami…that said, FSU had their chance and chose the ACC years ago…Bowden liked his chances there…who knows if he was right?
And to the blabbering poster talking about 11-10 SEC/ACC record…I’m not sure how that is even relates in regards to $$$$….that is what this is about.
k2
May 10th, 2010
11:13 am
agree with t3.
pac-10 big-12 alliance set-up would be big.
each wold have 10 teams playin all the other 9 teams in each conference.
ooc games could be set-up for pac-10 teams to play big-12 teams and vice versa.
huge new tv market potential. big12 fans watching some pac-10 games, and pac-10 fans watching some big12 games.
that wold be a score !
OB-1
May 10th, 2010
11:15 am
If it goes to four mega conferences check this, SEC/ACC, Big East/MAC/C-USA, Big 10/12, PAC/MWC/WAC.
Otto
May 10th, 2010
11:19 am
T3 several Big12 schools are not happy with thow money is divided between the Big12 schools. Nebraska is the biggest, Colorado is another and as big as that oil money is, it did not save the SWC.
Also don’t forget when Colorado was rolling they recruited California. The PAC10 merger would do nothing but help them.
Osborne was never happy with Nebraska joining the Big 12, and the contracts that went with it.
The Big12 if you read up on the teams outside of Texas, OU, and Tx A&M is a very strained marriage.
WonderDawg
May 10th, 2010
11:20 am
Please tel me how the Little Ten adding teams from the Big East is gonna add to the Little Ten’s already dimishing credibility on the field. Big East teams are not gonna keep the Little Ten from getting smacked around by the Pac Ten and SEC.
collegeballfan
May 10th, 2010
11:29 am
I would think the problem the ACC would have would be between its basketball and football schools. This is more critical than what the SEC or Big 10 does.
If you go back to the ACC expansion to 12, the big battle was between the basketball and football people. A strong football conference means a weak basketball conference & vice versa. The basketball people all wanted Syracuse in the conference; the football people wanted Vir Tech.
Football won.
Titus
May 10th, 2010
11:30 am
Tony, since you worked at the News & Record I would figure you’d have a better understanding of how the ACC works. Rest assured, Swofford and the powers that be do not have their head in the sand. But like one of the early posters stated, you can’t seem to understand that there’a a bigger picture here — no matter what shakes out, the powers that be at ACC schools will not comprimise their collective mission.
Even before their next bit of TV dealmaking, the ACC remains the third-richest league among the major conferences, so the financial incentive to leave is not as large as it is for members of other leagues. If the Big Ten expands to 16 and the SEC decides to do the same, many believe the SEC will come after Clemson, Florida State or other ACC schools. But at this point it’s extremely speculative to say which schools would be targets, and it’s also fair to say that Clemson and FSU — like every other ACC school — have many decision-makers who would prefer to remain ACC members.
It baffles me that you and some of the more challenged SEC fans cannot grasp that overall “institutional” picture
JASon
May 10th, 2010
11:31 am
So the college football market is going to be dominated by a few conferences; an oligopoly. Much like the major banks in this country, which have bought each other out to the point that there are just a few to control the market. And much like the banks, the consumer is sure to get screwed in all this. As if we are not getting screwed enough with the system too stubborn to adopt a fair playoff system. When a system that is already raking in cash reorganizes in order to make even more cash, that my friends is called greed. Welcome to America.
Geori
May 10th, 2010
11:32 am
Tony,
This expansion talk is a bluff that is coming from the Big 10, in their hopes to woo Notre Dame or another suitor and become a 12 team league. There aren’t going to be any 16 team superleagues and Texas ain’t going to the Big 10. The media needs to shut up about it and quit being Chicken Little.
Randy Shannon$
May 10th, 2010
11:34 am
You know why the Canes won’t get invited to the SEC? Jeremy Foley has already said he would block any attempt to bring the U into the SEC.
And your streak continues Tony, that’s about 3,467 articles in a row where you mention FSU……Bobby’s gone and you’re still going.
Bulldog59
May 10th, 2010
11:35 am
Dan and KGator79, most likely, all of the reasons you 2 listed factor in to the low attendance. KG’s SEC passion argument has definite merit, and logistics, timing etc. pull some folks away too.
Let’s see what the move to Charlotte does for attendance. BC and Miami are the only ones that could claim a travel hardship in this scenario.
jerry Hollingsworth
May 10th, 2010
11:36 am
The ACC should offer BC, GT, FSU & Miami to any conference that wants them; go back to those halcyon years of academic integrity (since those culls at South Carolina bolted and before FSU joined); and enjoy the natural rivalries of a conference reasonably matched in goals and proximity. Allow the Big10 and the SEC to form a league to compete with the NFL (probably a lower payroll for Alabama & Auburn).
I like GT as an institution, but it is too far from our core, with no history of rivalry in the sport we care about.
wesleywhatwhat
May 10th, 2010
11:42 am
“The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since the ACC last expanded.”
no, actually, it hasn’t.
and the big ten adding missouri, nebraska and pitt or some other big east team won’t affect the acc in the slightest.
and so far, the most intelligent-sounding comments have been by “Tony = Chicken Little?” and “XpatHeel”
Gas Pedals
May 10th, 2010
11:45 am
No one’s expanded yet.
This subject is just like the talk abou goign to playoff.
Will never happen, and a waste of time, conjecture, what-if’s, when we can be dealing with RELEVANT topics.
Where is the ACC?
May 10th, 2010
11:47 am
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument ACC. Below are dated numbers before the SEC’s TV package goes into effect. Website is http://www.bustersports.com/blog/buster-blog/2009/07/30/something-funny-happened-on-the-way-to-the-sec-dominating-all-financial-aspects-of-collegiate-sports/. The SEC and Big 10 control a whopping %50 of the TV generated revenue for college football. The ACC will have no say in this process. They will react to what the SEC and Big 10 do.
The Orlando Sentinel has posted the overall athletic department revenues of all 118 I-A colleges for 2007-2008. Being that college football is the big money generator incollege sports and being that the SEC OWNS YER ASS BRO I’M SO SERIOUS ESS EEE CEE SPEEEEEEEEED, it stands to reason that the top 10% of the list would be mainly populated by the SEC with a smattering of other big programs tossed in. Sentinel, lay it on us:
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
So the top 20 totals are six BXI teams, six in the SEC, five in the Big XII, two Pac-10 squads and Notre Dame.
XpatHeel
May 10th, 2010
11:50 am
Kgator79, you wrote: Until then, the game will continue to be on a noon and be the game that most turn on and only see by flipping through the channels catching part of the 3rd qtr only to get ready to watch the SEC title game later that day.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but ESPN is showing the ACCCG at prime time (7:45 KO) on Sat. Dec. 4.
Paddy
May 10th, 2010
11:50 am
RDR…..The ACC is considered by most a basketball conference. But football is still king in the South. The trend in the ACC and around the country is that basketball is losing alot of their fan base. It is just not the exciting game it once was. ACC football as a result is getting stronger not weaker and as basketball declines in interest, football will grow even stronger and steal even more fans from the so called basketball conferences. The resulting rule changes from the NCAA and the “I could care less about the college basketball game” from the NBA is what has hurt basketball the most. I agree with Tony. ACC must be serious about its expansion plans. If they go to 14 teams add Pitt and WVA. If they go to 16 then add Rutgers and U Conn or mabe USF,
#1 GT fan
May 10th, 2010
11:51 am
Forget about the money for a second……………………………….
If FSU or Miami or Clemson go to the SEC does any body realize how bad they would get beat up on? It would be like 10 year olds playing high school football players.
I think the ACC should try to add a team like ND or heck a team like Kansas. Also, If i were the head of the ACC, I would try to take some teams out of the SEC. I am not talking big teams like Florida, or Alabama but teams like Kentucky or Tennesse. Thats what I would do…….
GO JACKETS!!!!!!!
and I have a question…. Why does the SEC or an Big 10 need to get any bigger? The already dominate in sports, and get tons and tons of money from it?
Gen Neyland
May 10th, 2010
11:52 am
Reptiles Rule offers up a good analogy about expansion. Alas, Reptiles Rule, I hope you’ll learn to love your watered down beer. I can see it now. We add a few more bowls so that even mid level teams from conference X gets to go bowling. Wait a sec…That’s already happening..! Let ‘em continue to screw up the game beyond recognition. We’ll still have backyard horseshoes and cow tipping.
smcdaniel
May 10th, 2010
11:52 am
The Bear actually made that “call your mama” comment in a commercial, not at the end of The Bear Bryant Show.
kgator79
May 10th, 2010
11:57 am
Randy….Foley has said he would block any attempt at Miami joining the SEC? Yeah ok! Provide a link to this made up info. Miami is a sinking ship. Their athletic department is broke. They are losing recruits to USF, FIU and FAU. The days of anyone fearing anything related to Miami are over. The rise of South Florida and programs like FIU and FAU has killed their program.
NICE DREAM not
May 10th, 2010
11:58 am
I realize you dog idiots think the world revolves around your opinions but they don’t. The ACC which by the way has more teams preranked in the top 25 than your crummy @ss SEC conference will come up with a plan no matter what and continue as always. You morons need to worry about your own conference which is on a declining slope to no where.
kgator79
May 10th, 2010
12:00 pm
Xpatheel….well thats even worse. Who is going to watch the ACC championship game at that time when they can watch the Big 12 title game at the same time?
no authority
May 10th, 2010
12:02 pm
hahahahahaha, I seriously doubt the ACC needs to call up Barnhart and get his opinion on a d@mn thing..here’s a better story line for you Tony, why don’t you take bets on how long it will be before Bama throws a brick thru the coaches window again after the Tide loses to one of the sisters of the poor it is scheduled to play or just how dark will Richt get this year in the tanning salon?
kgator79
May 10th, 2010
12:03 pm
#1 GT Fan….no SEC school would ever be that dumb to leave the SEC for the ACC. We all recognize its about money and a move like that wouldnt make finacial sense for schools even at the level of a Vanderbilt
Gen Neyland
May 10th, 2010
12:04 pm
One more something. IF the SEC were to expand, does Athens now have to capability to fly teams in and to fly UGA out without busing them..? If expansion happens, will the seasons eventually be extended, say as to offer a inter-conference playoff system for BCS purposes..? Ahh, the endless possibilities of what may be.
casey
May 10th, 2010
12:08 pm
What if the ACC could pull some basketball teams/avg football teams to the Acc? Teams like Vanderbilt, Missisippi St., Uconn, and maybe West Virginia. Vandy and Miss St. would have a better shot at a conference title in football and would add power to the ACC’s Basketball Conference. Uconn is a rising football program and it would be good to have all the Virginia Teams in the same conference. Just a thought.
The Real SugarHillDawg
May 10th, 2010
12:08 pm
Mark My Words…
DAWGS will win the National Championship THIS YEAR!
2010 Champs!
And all you nerds should cowar in fear. It’s over before it starts. UGA will roll all over Tech. I think we’ll beat y’all by 50!
Get ready Dawg fans….2010 THIS IS OUR YEAR!
Matt
May 10th, 2010
12:10 pm
Losing Clemson, Florida St, Miami and Georgia Tech to the SEC….ouch. I guess what goes around….
Joe Fan
May 10th, 2010
12:13 pm
The SEC needs to get over itself. Without Alabama and Florida, they are, from a football perspective. a bunch of average to below average schools. The world and football will survive with or without the SEC.
The Real SugarHillDawg
May 10th, 2010
12:13 pm
UGA – 2010 NATIONAL FOOTBALL CHAMPS!
GET READY FOLKS!
Richt’s got our boys ready with their eyes on the prize!
HugoStiglitz
May 10th, 2010
12:16 pm
Assuming GT stays in the ACC which I hope they will, I wouldnt mind the ACC becoming more of an academic/basketball conference with less emphasis on football. You might as well promote the things you excel at. Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State, etc. will never put too much emphasis on football when compared to other sports/programs so there is no point in pretending that we are a football conference when we arent. I say bring in some good academic schools, and basketball programs to expand with.
GT man
May 10th, 2010
12:16 pm
I hate this crap, I wish the Southwest Conference was still around and Arkansas had stayed there. Vandy belongs in the ACC because of academics, trade them for FSU, Clemson or NC State.