Reflections on the NFL “character” draft

As a college guy, I’ve never taken more than a passing interest in the NFL Draft. But last week I got a chance to work the draft in New York for CBS College Sports and really immersed myself in the process. It is fascinating and now I know why people are so locked into it.

And strictly from a college guy’s perspective I really believe that in this draft NFL teams, thanks to the shenanigans of guys like Ben Roethlisberger, Michael Vick and Pac Man Jones, were looking at character more than ever. Four examples:

Dez Bryant, WR: The Oklahoma State star has Top 10 talent. There was simply no debate on that. But he fell all the way to No. 24 (Dallas) because other teams questioned his character (he lied to NCAA investigators about his involvement with Deion Sanders) and work ethic. He played only three games as a senior before being suspended by the NCAA. We can debate whether or not that was the proper punishment. The fact is Bryant’s reputation cost him millions of dollars.

Tim Tebow, QB: Denver not only traded up but gave up several draft picks in order to take Tebow at No.25.  Even Tebow fans will tell you that the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner will play very little quarterback for a least a year—if not longer. The wisdom of this pick won’t be known for several years but Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is willing to tie his future to Tebow, a guy who needs all kind of work on his mechanics before he is ready to be an every-down NFL quarterback. Why? Because he wants Tebow’s positive presence in the locker room. That puts a lot of pressure on Tebow to earn the respect of the grown men on that team. They don’t go for the rah-rah stuff. You’ve got to show them.

Jimmy Clausen, QB: I talked to a lot of guys who know the NFL and they all said the same thing. Clausen was the most NFL ready quarterback in the draft. He ran a pro offense at Notre Dame. So why did Clausen fall all the way to the No. 48 pick (Carolina)? A lot of teams who needed a young quarterback (like Minnesota) passed on him. There were all kinds of questions being raised about his ability to be a leader and a quality teammate. So what happened?

I said this at the time and I will say this again.

As my friend Spencer Tillman always reminds me, we live in a world of images and impressions. On April 22, 2006 Clausen and his “entourage” took a police escort to the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Ind. It was there that Clausen, a high school JUNIOR, stepped out of a white Hummer limousine and announced his intention to sign with Notre Dame the following February. It was a bad decision then and created a negative template about Clausen that he never shook. And once the negative template is set, people are then more willing to believe negative things about you even if they are not provable. Is that fair? Probably not. But it matters. Jimmy Clausen has first round talent but he’s going to get second round money.

Carlos Dunlap, DE: This was one of the great tragedies of college football in 2009. Florida’s Dunlap was easily a first-round talent but on the Monday before the SEC championship game was stopped by police in Gainesville, Fla. and arrested on alcohol-related charges. Florida is getting ready to play for the SEC title and a spot in the BCS championship game. Everything the team had worked so hard for in order to repeat as national champions was on the line. Coach Urban Meyer would never say it publicly nor would his teammates, but it was the worst kind of betrayal. Dunlap was suspended, Florida was not mentally ready to play the game and Alabama crushed the Gators. I think Alabama would have won the game anyway but you get the picture.

Here is the most telling thing about Carlos Dunlap. New England coach Bill Belichick and Meyer are pretty tight. Belichick comes to Gainesville at least once a year. Belichick had three picks in the second round and I believed he would take a couple of Gators.  I thought Belichick might take Dunlap because he knows how to handle players with issues (Randy Moss). But he passed on Dunlap with the No. 53 pick and took Florida’s other defensive end, Jermaine Cunningham. Cincinnati, the NFL’s home for problem children, then took Dunlap with the next pick.

If you are a college football player with aspirations of playing in the NFL, this year’s draft should be a cautionary tale. Ben Roethlisberger was not charged with a crime but will sit out perhaps as many as six games this season for stupid, self-centered behavior. This commissioner (Roger Goodell) ain’t fooling around.

You may be talented but if you engage in stupid and self-centered behavior it will cost you more than your reputation. It will cost you millions of dollars.

Please follow me on Twitter:

www.twitter.com/MrCFB

157 comments Add your comment

14TH--ON THE WAY

April 26th, 2010
9:13 am

Tony,

Suprised you didn’t mention Legarrett Blount of Oregon and sucker punch fame. Cost him plenty.

Jacksonville Jaguars Fan

April 26th, 2010
9:13 am

Stoney

April 26th, 2010
9:17 am

this is a good message for anyone in any field. In the NCAA tournament I found I was rooting for the team with the fewest tats as much as any other reason.

GaGa4Gators

April 26th, 2010
9:19 am

The University of Florida gave the NFL a potpourri of “character”. We sent Tim Tebow and Carlos Dunlap in the first two rounds. Tebow a devout Christian and all around good guy and Carlos Dunlap who was charged with DUI after being found asleep behind the wheel at an intersection in downtown Gainesville. I wonder if Carlos Dunlap stayed with the agent that got him drunk at the party held Monday before the SEC Championship game? Guess we’ll never know because Billy Gonzales sure isn’t talking about it.

collegeballfan

April 26th, 2010
9:20 am

Tony, please comment on the Dwyer fall from first round to sixth round.
Any inside info to share?

GaGa4Gators

April 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Dwyer failed a drug test at the NFL combine.

Gator Alum

April 26th, 2010
9:26 am

Tony:

Thought you might like to that Florida has announced their 2011 out of conference schedule:

September 2: Charleston Southern

September 9: Inert State

September 23 : Agnes Scott

October 17: Whatsamatta U.

I think it’s the most demanding schedule Foley has ever put together. Go Gators!

Jeremy Foley

April 26th, 2010
9:31 am

The Gators do not need to schedule tough out of conference opponents, the SEC schedule is tough enough.

GaGa4Gators

April 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Look how many players the Gators have sent to the NFL in the last 10 years. Sure, not many are at the skill position and the Gators are known as an offensive juggernaut. Quarterback and wide receiver University? Maybe we should be known as defensive line and linebacker University?

goalinestalker

April 26th, 2010
9:49 am

Tebow cannot see the field if he is listed as the #3 QB on game day. He can however play if he is listed as the #2 Qb on game day. So for him to play in any form of the wildcat he must be listed at another position or the #2 Qb. My question is do any of you guys see him being the Broncos #2 Qb this season? McDaniel’s on the record has stated TT will not play any other position than Qb.

Percy Harvin

April 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Good character is WAY overrated. I failed a drug test at the NFL combine by testing positive for marijuana in 2009. I was chosen in the 1st round and went on to become the Offensive Rookie of the Year. NFL GMs only care about one thing wins and losses.

Denver Broncos

April 26th, 2010
9:52 am

We’re really the only team where Tim Tebow could play closer to God.

RxDawg

April 26th, 2010
9:56 am

The fans of football (pro and college) will like seeing the NFL take a tough stance on these guys. They play a fun sport for a living and they are filthy rich. There is no reason to act the way some of them do.

Mikey

April 26th, 2010
9:56 am

Who drafted the eye gouger?

JB

April 26th, 2010
9:58 am

Any Tech poster on here will tell that the Dwyer rumor is just that…………I guess that’s why the NFL sent him from a sure first or early second ( set for life being drafted that high) to the sixth round. Those streets around Tech are no good. It’s a shame really. He’s always got that fine Tech education to fall back on with Ruben, Reggie Ball and Eddie Lee Ivery.
LOL

T3

April 26th, 2010
9:58 am

“Character” and “NFL” mentioned in the same sentence? Strange.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:04 am

Character?

I guess UGAg will never had another 1st round draft pick.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:04 am

will never have…sorry

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:07 am

will never have had…sorry

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:10 am

we will never have had…sorry

1971

April 26th, 2010
10:11 am

Eddie Lee Ivery did graduate from GT after his carrer with Green Bay.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:11 am

While I am a character, little I write on the AJC shows I have any.

Tris

April 26th, 2010
10:12 am

Dwyer fell becuase he lacks elite speed, and there were concerns about his production and abilities to read defenses coming out of Paul Johnson’s offense.

Failing a drug test for ADD medicine at the combine was not the reason he fell (the NFL exempted the failed test and he will not enter the league’s substance abuse program); he fell because 4.6 40 RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and he will be a short yardage and role playing back in the pros.

GaGa4Gators

April 26th, 2010
10:14 am

How did Knowshon Moreno get drafted in the 1st round last year with “dime a dozen” speed on his 40?

SaintsLSU

April 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Hey Tony, what do you think about the Saints moving up to get Al Woods DT from LSU? He was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS, but never seemed to break through. Maybe Greg Williams can light a fire under him that the LSU coaching staff couldn’t.

1eyedJack

April 26th, 2010
10:19 am

The majority of the people who buy tickets are sick up and fed with the “Manny’s being Manny” primadonnas. The one’s who go in for that don’t have the money to purchase sky boxes or season tickets.

Damage control

April 26th, 2010
10:25 am

Dwyer’s low level run through the NFL draft has irreparably harmed tech’s ability to attract big time running backs.

Alphare

April 26th, 2010
10:31 am

Dwyer got quite a few things against him, not just one or two: injury for the combine, drug test, and Tech offense style.

But I’d say Tech offense style is the least or no problem to the NFL. Morgan and Bay-bay both are high-draftees.

But the drug thing must be the biggest issue. First his agent did not properly alert people, then they have to clarify thru the media, which is a big no-no if you ask me, which at least shows you cannot manage well your draft process, which is the biggest thing in your life. If that’s the case, how can people believe you can manage your future career–that’s the doubt implanted in the pickers’ mind.

JB

April 26th, 2010
10:31 am

It also hurts OL at Tech…..That system Johnson uses does not prep OL for the pros. They want lineman who know how to Pass Block. Don’t see much of that at Tech.

McDawg

April 26th, 2010
10:32 am

the Clausen character thing is bogus-i wish he was drafted by an AFC team

i think Tebow will do fine in the NFL but 1st Round??? and what they gave up to get him-hope McDaniels is still around in a couple of years

GatorMatt

April 26th, 2010
10:35 am

Well said as usual, Tony. Great stuff. You’re completely right about Dunlap. I was a huge fan of his right up until the incident before the SECCG. Just stupid and irresponsible. And just like you said, a real betrayal of all the hard work and effort the team had put forth until that point. Again, great article.

murfdawg

April 26th, 2010
10:40 am

I think part of the “character” issue in the draft is a negotiation ploy by the NFL clubs to keep salaries down. The NFL would get Charles Manson out of prison if they thought he could win a Super Bowl or improve tv ratings.

GaGa4Gators

April 26th, 2010
10:42 am

I wonder if Knowshon Moreno is worried he’ll lose carries next year to Tim Tebow running the “wildcat” offense?

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
10:46 am

Let’s make some allowance for Carlos Dunlap to earn his way back into the good graces of all. Yes, he screwed up, and, yes, he hurt his team, but let’s keep in mind that 21 year-olds do make mistakes. Dunlap had no prior history of being a problem child. Nobody died, nobody was threatened with physical violence, nobody went to prison. He was appropriately punished–he missed the SEC championship game, and he probably lost several million dollars in the NFL draft as a result. We don’t need to pile anything more on the kid. If he can redeem himself in the NFL, I for one will cheer for him.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
10:49 am

And, yes, I’m still cheering for Tim Tebow to make it in the NFL. Good kid, solid character, great athlete, and a gamer. If there isn’t a role in the modern NFL for an athlete like Tebow, I’ll just stick to football on Saturdays.

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
10:53 am

TB….you know, maybe ole Coach Paul Brown was on to something….he wanted smart, educated, honest and hardworking football players not primadonnas or morally suspect players….everything that goes around comes around, sooner or later. Even Richt’s learning no more coddling.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 26th, 2010
10:53 am

aww, JB, are you my imposter?

I didn’t think you’d stoop to being an imposter…oh well, have at it. I’m out for the rest of the day.

GT two 1st round, UGAg zero, yes character does play a part.

See ya!!!

Tris

April 26th, 2010
11:03 am

Moreno ran a 4.45. Big difference between that and Dwyer’s 4.6. Past that, if you can’t see the differences between Moreno’s vision and agility and Dwyer’s, I’m not sure what I can tell you.

And again, the NFL exempted Dwyer’s drug test, as it was for perscription ADD medicine. From ESPN:

“Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer’s positive drug test falls under a “therapeutic use exemption,” a source tells ESPN’s Joe Schad. According to Dwyer’s agent, all 32 NFL teams knew that his client’s medication would cause a positive test. “We provided the necessary medical documentation,” said Dwyer’s agent.”

Sure teams might still have had lingering concerns, but his fall had much more to do with his NFL ability than his character. All that being said, I think he was a steal for Pittsburgh in the 6th round, and can easily become a capable back in the NFL IMO.

MADD

April 26th, 2010
11:07 am

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
10:46 am
Let’s make some allowance for Carlos Dunlap to earn his way back into the good graces of all. Yes, he screwed up, and, yes, he hurt his team, but let’s keep in mind that 21 year-olds do make mistakes. Dunlap had no prior history of being a problem child. Nobody died, nobody was threatened with physical violence, nobody went to prison. He was appropriately punished–he missed the SEC championship game, and he probably lost several million dollars in the NFL draft as a result. We don’t need to pile anything more on the kid. If he can redeem himself in the NFL, I for one will cheer for him.

Yeah, it’s not like he was Gary Brown, Ronnie Wilson or Marcus Thomas. DUI’s aren’t a very serious crime, they don’t hurt anybody at all

SC Steeler

April 26th, 2010
11:16 am

Dwyer will be a very capable 2nd punch in a 2 punch RB set. the NFL is about systems, and any player will look good or bad depending on the system. just as the Browns found a steal in James Davis, the Steelers are going to find a bigger steal in Dwyer, for what they are going to ask him to do… as long as he sticks to prescribed medications…

PTC DAWG

April 26th, 2010
11:17 am

I think this just goes to show that the Coach, no matter how famous or successful, cannot control all their players.

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
11:24 am

MADD…..said “DUI’s aren’t a very serious crime, they don’t hurt anybody at all”….you are the biggest Turd alive if you believe that…I hope you don’t have anyone you know or care about hurt by a drunk in a automobile.

MADD

April 26th, 2010
11:37 am

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
11:24 am
MADD…..said “DUI’s aren’t a very serious crime, they don’t hurt anybody at all”….you are the biggest Turd alive if you believe that…I hope you don’t have anyone you know or care about hurt by a drunk in a automobile.

Please read my comment in a sarcastic tone in response to Atlanta Gators comment. It will make more sense then. Thank you, Dumbo.

MADD

April 26th, 2010
11:38 am

I actually thought the name MADD would be enough to let you knew the tone of the comment. But then again, I would be giving someone named Dumbo a little too much credit.

LizDawg

April 26th, 2010
11:45 am

Thanks Tony and you could see the NFL teams pass on the character issues of Johnathon Dwyer as well. Once the AJC broke the story about Dwyer’s failed drug test his draft stock plummeted like a rock, from round 1 all the way to round 5.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

April 26th, 2010
11:56 am

So I guess Gator fans were right that Dunlap would get drafted ahead of AJ! LMAO! The kid was a punk in high school, a punk as a Gator and no can be a punk as a Bengal. A waste of physical talent because he feels entitled. AJ will show the Lowcountry how a 1st Round pick plays College Ball.

Sven Ottke

April 26th, 2010
11:59 am

LizDog, Dwyer doesn’t have character issues. His meds are acceptable for the NFL. An NFL doctoro erroneously left his name off a list and the ommission resulted in it appearing that he failed the test. Get a grip and don’t let your hate blind you.

Reptiles Rule

April 26th, 2010
12:22 pm

Nine UF players drafted (tops in this draft) and 3 additional who signed free agent contracts. While certainley I’ll take a championship over that ANY day, it was nice to see some of the false statements I had read about your NFL chances being somehow less if you went to UF. It was like some of you out there think that college coaches are somehow sub-contracted by he NFL. Of course, as we all recognize now, that was just a bunch of negative recruiting talk by rivals and their fans. Not gonna work, expect another great recruiting classin Gainesville this year…And……… to you Tebow haters out there who were predicting third or fourth round…well, I don’t even have to say it. And whether or not he makes it…well he’s gonna get his chance now, isn’t he??

Felix the Cat

April 26th, 2010
12:29 pm

Glad to see NFL clean up and look for character over talent.. Roger Goddell should be commended for his swift directions and orders..

Paul Finebaum

April 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

I was wondering whether my crack cocain habit could fall under a therapeutic use exemption.

Kiffinisatosser

April 26th, 2010
12:31 pm

Am not a tech fan, but in my view, Dwyer was the biggest steal of the draft. The guy is a stud.

Tampa Tribune

April 26th, 2010
12:33 pm

I sure wish Reptiles Rule would comment on my internet site.

tony's a homer

April 26th, 2010
12:33 pm

Tony, I’ve been critical of you being a homer and for good reason, but thank you for saying what needs to be said.

Gainesville Sun

April 26th, 2010
12:37 pm

Filipino Boys

April 26th, 2010
12:41 pm

Does this mean Tim Tebow won’t be coming to see us this Summer?

Kiffinisatosser

April 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

Last season I thought Tony spent a lot of time stating the blindingly obvious. This season Tony seems to have raised his game. he must be a free agent next season!

ga gator

April 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

You weren’t exactly right Tony, the Gville police didnt stop Dunlap, the idiot was already stopped; passed out at at green light.

Joe Haden

April 26th, 2010
12:43 pm

Low Country, AJ might have a chance that I wont shut him down anymore. NOT, now it will be Jenoris Jenkins.

Dear Filipino Boys

April 26th, 2010
12:45 pm

Your foreskins are presumably safe. Just pray that Tim doesn’t show up with Josh McDaniels and a scalpel.

Mark "Crimson Crier" Ingram

April 26th, 2010
12:45 pm

Mikey, did any of dancin’ curdawg helmet-ripper-off’rs and eye-gougers get drafted?

poor gators

April 26th, 2010
12:49 pm

Gator fans really amaze me. in a “haha” kinda way”. look at this realistically: new defensive coordiator, o-coordinator in just his second year, no saint tebow, no cooper, no Maurkice Pouncy, and you lose basically EVERY defensive player who MATTERED for you in the last two seasons. yes you have a qb coming in who is highly touted, but until I see him walk out into knoxville, jacksonville, columbus, or baton rouge without wetting himself, im not impressed. he will be good, no questioning that, but it will take at least 6-7 games before he reaches his peak. hint: starting in what was it, a game and a half? is not significant experience for a developing qb, just ask uga and joe cox.

im not saying that UF wont be successful but not SEC East champs in what is basically the first year of the new era.

for UF- 9-3 regular season, win capital one or chick-fil-a bowl.

winner of uga-usc in game 2 WILL go to the SEC championship game (it wont matter because either would be SMOKED by Bama)

and you want to call uga fans delusional omg rofl

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
1:03 pm

MADD….so sorry….I woulda added “sic” at conclusion of statement, my youngest was hurt by DUI driver 2 yr ago….kinda, wildly biased against drunk drivers….as for being Dumbo…I did graduate from UGA in ‘80, so that should answer why I go by Dumbo, right.

louie

April 26th, 2010
1:14 pm

Tebow is a “me-first” guy.

Didn’t hand off to a RB in the ENTIRE 2nd half of the SEC Championship. Called his own option on goal lines to win a Heisman. Had his own commercial during the Super Bowl. Will be the biggest bust in the NFL history.

What a disastrous pick by Denver, because of this pick, most experts are saying Denver had the WORST draft day because Tebow was a 4th rounder at best, and that at fullback, not QB. Nice most of the experts agree with me and my pre-draft assessment of Tebow.

Agent

April 26th, 2010
1:14 pm

If Carlos Dunlap would have signed with me that Monday night before the SEC Championship game, I would have driven him home myself.

Beast from the East

April 26th, 2010
1:17 pm

In response to “poor gators”….who is delusional????? Do you really think SC has a shot at the East??? What have they EVER done to make you think that???
Do you really think UGA has a shot in the East???? New DC, lousy OC, MAJOR discipline problems (penalties, turnovers), a first year QB who has never even held a clipboard on the sideline of a college game. Not to mention, UGA can’t get past the Gators unless UF has a MAJOR DOWN YEAR. This year ain’t it, buddy. Next year doesn’t look too promising for you either. We might take a step back this year, but we won’t step back far enough to lose to UGA or SC…..certainly not to Kentucky like ya’ll did last year. Come talk some smack when you’ve EARNED it.
Until then, keep quiet and have fun in Shreveport!!!!

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
1:20 pm

louie….I do believe that you are a angry guy….that said no matter what Tebow does, he will not be the leagues’ biggest bust…that title will always belong to Ryan Leaf! Louie are you by chance a fellow Alumof UGA….would possibly explain dislike of Tebow, considering how he kick our butt 3 out of 4 times.

poor gators

April 26th, 2010
1:23 pm

@beastfromtheeast

you obvioulsy read nothing a wrote in the first like half page of that comment,

which is typical for a gaytor fan, never wants to acknowledge that anything might be awry with their team

you might wanna quit talkin smack about uga and usc and start payin attention to what’s goin on down in Gainesville… its not pretty

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
1:28 pm

Beast from the East….I’ve always have heard that UF folks are the most gracious losers and the most obnoxious of winners, you’ve proved that point most certainly.

Beast from the East

April 26th, 2010
1:29 pm

poor gators, go back to sleep. I’ll talk to you in October after your annual beatdown. We’ll represent the East again and most likely lose to Bama for the second time this season. But we won’t be watching it on the tube!

poor gators

April 26th, 2010
1:32 pm

first of all that would be second time in the last two years not this season (ahh gaytors)

again refusing to acknowledge any of the valid points Im making here

ill give em to ya again and this time remember the obviously small education you recieved at uf and listen closely:

look at this realistically: new defensive coordiator, o-coordinator in just his second year, no saint tebow, no cooper, no Maurkice Pouncy, and you lose basically EVERY defensive player who MATTERED for you in the last two seasons. yes you have a qb coming in who is highly touted, but until I see him walk out into knoxville, jacksonville, columbus, or baton rouge without wetting himself, im not impressed. he will be good, no questioning that, but it will take at least 6-7 games before he reaches his peak. hint: starting in what was it, a game and a half? is not significant experience for a developing qb, just ask uga and joe cox.

im not saying that UF wont be successful but not SEC East champs in what is basically the first year of the new era.

for UF- 9-3 regular season, win capital one or chick-fil-a bowl

Beast from the East

April 26th, 2010
1:34 pm

Dumbo, I hate to sound obnoxious but if that’s the way you see it then so be it. It just really grinds my gears to hear trash talk from folks like “poor gators”. Just the name he uses is disrespectful. I don’t talk trash to Bama fans because their team has earned their place in history ON THE FIELD. When UGA actually does something on the field then he can claim that right, as well.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

April 26th, 2010
1:35 pm

Yeah it was Haden who shut him down alright. Or it could be that we didnt have a QB to get him the ball! LOL!

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
1:37 pm

Beast from the East…why are so down on Georgia…..could it be that you had to come up here to find a job other that at motel or at the local nursing home?

poor gators

April 26th, 2010
1:37 pm

im leaving and just remember when you snuggle up to your tebow doll tonight remember everything i mentioned

with that i shut down

Beast from the East

April 26th, 2010
1:39 pm

poor, I read your slanted comments the first time. Yes, we have questions on defense. We expect the offense to be better than last year. How much is yet to be determined. The defense will surely not be as good early in the season. Second half, who knows? The second loss to Bama I’m reffering to is in the SECCG because we also play them at thier place during the regular season. Lastly, please don’t compare Brantlet to Joe Cox. You do the young man a great disservice.

Reptiles Rule

April 26th, 2010
1:47 pm

“poor gators”…so what you’re saying is that because UF has a new DC and a first year starting QB and is replacing players they won’t be the pick of the East but on the other hand YOU’RE new DC and totally rookie starting QB and many new players are going to??? And you seem to love originality as I see you constantly use “gaytors” in your posts. That’s about as clever as “Ugay” don’t you think???

Dumbo

April 26th, 2010
1:48 pm

Beast from the East “please don’t compare Brantlet to Joe Cox”…uh do you mean John Brantley?

Orlando Sentinel

April 26th, 2010
1:58 pm

Please come see me online, Reptiles Rule.

The Bradenton Herald

April 26th, 2010
1:59 pm

Me too, Reptiles Rule.

Reptiles Rule

April 26th, 2010
2:03 pm

Sorry…should be YOUR not YOU’RE. But either way, your one way logic does not make sense. And louie, yes most of the so called “gurus” and “pundits” like Mel “I Love Jimmy Clausen” Kiper were saying some of the same things in regards to Tebows mechanics NOT his character as you seem to be somewhat questioning. But it’s funny louie, the guys that have to put their actual $$$$$$$$$$ were their mouth is and stroke a check…had a whole ‘nother opinion. Brings to mind the old saying that money talks and (your) bullsheet walks….

St. Petersburg Times

April 26th, 2010
2:13 pm

Add me to the list, Reptiles Rule.

Lakeland Ledger

April 26th, 2010
2:14 pm

Show me a little love too, Reptiles Rule.

SEC powerouse not

April 26th, 2010
2:23 pm

if Clausen is the end all be all player that everyone thinks he is, then why did he not win more at Notre Dame? Give me a break. Also, Matt Moore at Carolina is doing a stand up job since taking over for Delhomme and cannot see where Clausen is going to take over his job.

SEC powerouse not

April 26th, 2010
2:25 pm

Lizdogpoop can go to he!!, ignorant inbred married to your brother trash…Know the facts about Dywer before you run you backwoods mouth

KJ

April 26th, 2010
2:33 pm

“Know the facts about Dywer”

You mean, like, how to spell his name?

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
2:34 pm

MADD—-

I certainly understand your perspective, but thankfully no one did die as a result of Dunlap’s DUI. He did the crime and he’s paid a price. Is he forever unredeemable, always some sort of lesser human being? You’re entitled to your opinion, but that’s not what my religion is all about. Damn few of us are perfect, and most of us may be in need of a little forgiveness at some point in our lives.

Foot in Mouth

April 26th, 2010
2:35 pm

Look me up, SEC powerhouse not.

MADD

April 26th, 2010
2:38 pm

Nobody is perfect Atlanta Gator. I just didn’t like what was inferred with your comment, that’s all. DUI is a very serious crime and hopefully Dunlap learned a very valuable lesson.

Jamar Hornsby and Avery Atkins

April 26th, 2010
2:41 pm

Atlanta Gator, does your religion forgive us and make us human again?

Carlos Dunlap

April 26th, 2010
2:48 pm

This is what I get for asking the USC staff stand by the fax 3 years ago after I told them I was coming when I had already sent the fax to Charlie Strong.

Character? Yeah, I’ve got character all right.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
2:58 pm

“Jamar Hornsby and Avery Atkins”—-

I’m happy to have this conversation with you if you would like to drop the sarcasm and the mockery.

Jamar Hornsby got his second chance at a different school and screwed up again. It was his own repeated bad choices that ended his NCAA career. Enough said.

Avery Atkins is a much sadder case. Atkins clearly had a substance abuse addiction, and he couldn’t pull himself out of his downward spiral.

In both cases, I believe Urban Meyer made the right call. Sometimes losing something like your scholarship and your place on the team is exactly the sort of wake-up call needed.

And, no, neither of them ever stopped being human. Unfortunately, both exhibited far too many of the frailties typical of our species.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
3:01 pm

MADD—-

I’m not trying to make light of the DUI offense, but the kid’s life should not be over because he screwed up once. That’s all.

Gary Brown, Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas and Ronnie Wilson

April 26th, 2010
3:02 pm

National Championship rings help Gator fan forgive faster, just ask us.

SEC

April 26th, 2010
3:04 pm

GaGa4Gators (10:14) If speed was the only thing the NFL looks for in running backs, Emmit Smith wouldn’t have gotten drafted.

Moreno is a good blocker and excellent receiver out of the backfield, along with being a good runner.

louie is a dufus

April 26th, 2010
3:08 pm

I haven’t heard a single “expert” say Teabow will be the biggest bust in NFL history. Moron.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
3:13 pm

Not sure what you’re point is . . . other than to stick it to the Gators. As I recall, three of those gentlemen were asked to leaves the program after having been given second chances. Forgiveness only gets your so far, and it doesn’t mean that there aren’t consequences.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
3:15 pm

Damn. Meant to write “your” not “you’re.” See–no one is perfect.

Hardtruth Soldier

April 26th, 2010
3:17 pm

Tony when is “Character overrated? Imean you investigate a man(Rothleisberger) and find nothing on him, do you blame him or a poor judicial system, or do you blame what is becoming the Mike Tyson Domino Effect. Woman wanting to be with these big time athletes, and thinking that he must commit to them if they do the “dew”. So many athletes get in trouble because of young women who chose to act foolish, and know it’s no “real punishment for them. A little tears, and an act of innocense by a petite pretty girl can get her free from responsibility so fast it’s embarassing. Case in point: Shawn Merriman Last year, Mike Tyson9Ok you believe that any woman shows up at 2a.m. from the other side of town just to sleep and she’s in the room with the world champ). Urlacher 3 years ago, and the list goes on. Am I saying that every guy is a Saint? No, but at what point do some of the “jezebels take responsibility. My God she had to come past security, not once but twice, coming and going…. When are we going to recognize to that these are young men in college in Dunlap’s, and Clausen’s case (actually Clausen was still legally in H.S.) What has the kid did since then but go out and become one of the best QB’s at the Most storied programs in the country. If you and the rest of the Media won’t to really look at this thing closely, stop writing what is clearly junk journalism, and attacking some 19 or Twenty year old kid for a beer. Why don’t you attack your Government for sending 18 year olds to die, but tell them it’s not legal to drink ! This is why so many kids are messed up today, because we have clueless adults, and you guys will never get a clue…. As for Tebow, why is this guy being given the keys to heaven, he want be the first to achieve greatness in college, and not do well in the NFL. Remember Eric Crouch, Tim Couch, Ryan(cryin) Leaf, Akili Smith, and Gino Toretta? UF Fans get real with yourselves, when was the last time a UF GATOR QB did anything great in the NFL? Honestly if it wasn’t for Emmit, you could tell me the last time a back did anything great, TEBOW IS A GOOD CHARACTER KID, BUT AS A QUARTERBACK HE BLOWS. PERIOD!

Denver Dog

April 26th, 2010
3:39 pm

Charley Pell is loving it!

some sense

April 26th, 2010
3:43 pm

c. f. Perrish Cox, OSU

Hardtruth Soldier

April 26th, 2010
3:46 pm

Enter your comments here

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
3:59 pm

I seem to remember the character issue really taking traction way back when Randy Moss came out. He was supposed to be a top 3-5 pick but because of his various issues he slid all the way to I think the 30th pick of the first round. Cost him millions and I for one thought he was easily the best player in college football. He finished 4th in the Heisman voting and if it weren’t for the fact that he was a problem child on a 2nd tier program like Marshall he should have won the Heisman. But since the Heisman is really more of a popularity contest there was no way Moss was going to win it. To me it was a shame because he was clearly the best player in college ball that year. I wish coaches could drill it a little more effectively into the heads of these kids that a dumb mistake in college could cost them millions.

The English Language

April 26th, 2010
4:00 pm

Atlanta Gator. Your use of me takes away any questions whether you’re a Florida graduate.

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
4:00 pm

Atlanta gator,

Great to see you back in our little blogging community!

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
4:12 pm

I also remember that Clausen was talking about winning 4 national championships that night at the college football hall of fame. I know he is just a kid but that kind of arrogance seems to stick with people. In the opener ND was getting pounded and shut out by Michigan and the commentator brought up Clausen’s comments about winning 4 ncs at ND. After referencing Clausen’s remarks the commentator said ” And reality sets in on young Mr. Clausen’ as the end of the whupping drew near. Never thought I would ever feel sorry for an ND player but I did at that point.

Beano Cook

April 26th, 2010
4:22 pm

Ron Powlus should have won 4 Heisman trophies.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
4:27 pm

“he will be a short yardage and role playing back in the pros.”

The Dwyer situation might indeed be that. Michael Turner was a role player behind LT. It will be awhile before this one plays out. A lot of “name” backs didn’t make it in the NFL.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
4:32 pm

Gator running backs in the NFL? Rick Casares, Neal Anderson, John L. Williams, Nat Moore, Fred Taylor, Errict Rhett, Emmitt Smith . . . my apologies if I missed someone notable.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
4:37 pm

English Language—-

Hello, my old friend. Please accept my apologies for my occasional typographical error. It’s nice to see that you’re putting in a guest appearance here on Tony Barnhart’s blog today. You are too often absent from these precincts.

Florida Quarterbacks in the NFL

April 26th, 2010
4:37 pm

Atlanta Gator, put an APB out for me.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
4:39 pm

Tide Rising—-

It’s good to be seen. What’s the early Tuscaloosa betting line on this year’s Gators-Tide regular season game?

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
4:41 pm

“Florida Quarterbacks in the NFL”—-

APB, eh? Yes, the suspects were last seen in Chicago and apparently Denver.

Florida Quarterbacks in the NFL

April 26th, 2010
4:47 pm

Atlanta Gator, no 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s reference?

Larry munson

April 26th, 2010
4:54 pm

Joe Cox should of been drafted. he would of step on clausen or bradford, tebow or Mccoy with hobnob boot and broken their noses.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
5:03 pm

Rick Casares is a 1950s reference; he was an 11-year stud for the Chicago Bears. The Miami Dolphins’ Nat Moore is a 1970s reference, but the biggest Gator back of the 1970s was probably Jimmy DuBose, who blew out his knee in his second year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and was never the same after rehabbing it. Of course, Rhett and Taylor are 1990s Gator backs.

The 1960s Gator backs just didn’t make a big impact in the NFL, notwithstanding that several of them were NFL-worthy.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
5:15 pm

BTW, you write as if notable NFL quarterbacks grow on trees. Afterall, other than Tarkenton and Bratkowski, how many notable NFL quarterbacks were UGA alumni?

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
5:24 pm

Atlanta Gator,

I did see the early betting line on Bama vs UF and I think it was 7. I would have thought we would be favored by 3-4 for home field and that would be it since to me the teams are basically equal.

One fascinating thing I did see was the initial odds of winning a national title. We were 3-1, Texas 5-1, OSU 7-1, and UF was way out there at 25-1. I was tempted to plunk a hundred down on the gators cause I figured they got as good a shot as us or anyone else of winning the national title. But then I got a hold of myself and said “what the hell am I thinking?” I can’t plunk down hard earned money for the gators to win the national title over us. Other than that it would seem like a pretty good bet as far as risk/reward goes.

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
5:28 pm

Our notables would be Bart Starr ( 2 super bowls), Joe Willie Namath(1), and Kenny Stabler(1). What I like about our super bowl winning qbs is that 2 of them were outlaw hellraiser types in Namath and Stabler. And Namath guaranteeing a win by the new AFC over the older, established NFC really pushed the interest in the NFL at a time when nfc dominance was a given. I almost forgot Brodie Croyle but I’m not really sure Brodie qualifies to be mentioned in the same breath as the other 3. Not putting down Brodie. Just sayin….

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
5:31 pm

Atlanta Gator – If we rephrase that as “how many UGA quarterbacks were NFL alumni,” we get another hit: Andy Johnson. Patriots’ RB of the Decade for the ’70s.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
5:32 pm

Tide Rising – Oh hell yeah! I moved to Oakland the year The Snake took over from Lamonica.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
5:33 pm

TR—-

Bama over Florida by 7 points sounds about right. Three to 4 straight up, another 3 to 4 for home field advantage. The Gators will have plenty of talent, but a lot of it is very young talent. I expect the Gators to go 10-2 (6-2 SEC) and play a competitive SEC championship game. The Gators win the East by default; Georgia, South Carolina and Tennessee are not complete enough to go 8-0 or 7-1 in the SEC. Somebody other than the Tide will get the Gators this season, though. LSU, maybe UGA, maybe USC.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
5:37 pm

Tide Rising – You have to give Zeke Bratkoswski an assist on one of the NFL Championships. He led the Pack to the 1965 Western Div. championship when Starr got injured in the game.

Atlanta Gator

April 26th, 2010
5:39 pm

Delbert D.—-

You know your Dawgs.

Dawgforlife

April 26th, 2010
5:43 pm

As a matter of fact Ramble on, UGA is expected to have two picks taken in the top 10 next year…Green and Boling…so, I guess they will have some more 1st round picks after all

Baddog

April 26th, 2010
5:53 pm

Football is still a team game. Teams are not going to spend top picks and big money on players prone to suspention and or Jail time.

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
5:56 pm

Atlanta gator,

Well, looks like we’re on the same line of thinking. I think 1 or 2 of our opponents can get us this year. Either you guys or Penn State or South Carolina. Carolina is our big trap game so believe it or not they, along with the gators, give me the most worry. LSU will be tough as well as AU and Ark. All 3 of those teams can beat us also but I think the 3 toughest will be UF, Penn St. and USCeast.

I think you guys win the east by default over Georgia because the dogs are breaking in a freshman qb. They could surprise though with a great O-line though as we did in 2008. A great O-line can control the game and anchor a whole team. Be interesting to see if S. Carolina with 19 starters finally makes a real legitimate run or if its just another year of wait till next year. If they are ever gonna do it this is their shot.

Tide Rising

April 26th, 2010
6:02 pm

Delbert D.,

I’ll give Zeke an assist but you got to tell me who in the heck is Andy Johnson? If he was the Pats rb of the decade in the 70s then I believe bama gets an assist. We get one because John Hannah, who during his era was regarded as the greatest O-lineman of the era, was paving the way for Andy Johnson. Then again neither of them won anything with the pats because we all remember just how bad NE was during the 70s.

Napoleon

April 26th, 2010
6:05 pm

I am a Dawgs fan, but Beast is right, don’t compare Joe Cox to Brantley. Don’t compare Joe Cox to any QB starting in the SEC. He (Cox) may be a real nice guy, but he had no business taking snaps as an SEC QB, let alone being a starting QB in the toughest division in all of football (yes I am including the professional ranks as well). That said, I do think the Gators will struggle this year in the beginning, which sadly kinda makes me happy, I just hope those struggles carry over to that wonderful weekend in Jacksonville. I went to school in JAX, and I have to say I didn’t dislike FLA fans until spending four years down there. GO DAWGS, but most importantly, GO SEC!

Glenn

April 26th, 2010
6:18 pm

Jonathan Dwyer will do quite well in Pittsburgh, thank you very much, and all of the “nay-sayers” will end up eating crow and realizing that his “slow” 40 time had more to do with an injury in shorts than playing with pads on against competition.

The so-called “failed drug test” comments are nothing but libelous drivel. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense, or human decency, would let this lunacy drop.

While Jonathan was picked much later than expected, and desired, he couldn’t have ended up with a better situation and better team. He’ll be seeing quality minutes and may end up being the starter before the end of the season. In fact, Jonathan may even end up rushing for more yards than K. Moreno this coming season, especially based on how he ended up last season.

Beast from the East

April 26th, 2010
6:37 pm

Napoleon, I feel ya. I didn’t dislike UGA fans until I moved to Atlanta. Growing up in Jax we lost to UGA most years and for the most part the UGA fans were pretty fun to hang out with. Being a Gator and living up here is like living behind enemy lines. The smarta$$ comments never stop. Guess I shouldn’t lump ‘em all in with the loudmotuhs, but sometimes it just gets under your skin. To be fair, 90% of them aren’t grads……just your typical rabid SEC fans.

...TEBOW will do well

April 26th, 2010
7:14 pm

Tebow may end up playing like another Steve Young.
Tampa Bay gave up on Young, then he goes to the 49′ers and takes Joe Montana’s job.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
7:41 pm

Tide Rising – Andy Johnson was the Georgia QB 1971-1973. Big dude, started as a soph. Ran more than he passed. He was pretty good for the Pats, more a fullback-type runner. He’s VP of the Geotgia Lettermen’s Club.

Jake

April 26th, 2010
7:41 pm

NFL took 40+ players from the SEC,, Not even a close race.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
7:43 pm

Tide Rising – I forgot to give props to Hog Hannah. Quite a bulldozer, he was.

thunderbull56

April 26th, 2010
8:07 pm

Notice where Bay Bay was picked? Does this mean Tech is now wide reciever U? Me, I’m just glad the mocking is over.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2010
8:23 pm

On the subject of character, Ryan Perrilloux signed with the Vikings.

Nesbitt for Heisman

April 26th, 2010
8:26 pm

Tony is right,

College Football is much better than the NFL

DAWG FANtom

April 26th, 2010
8:30 pm

I wonder how much it will cost Zack Mettenberger.

Dixie

April 26th, 2010
8:37 pm

if the NFL starts evaluating character then uga will never have another drafted player…..

itpdude

April 26th, 2010
9:54 pm

As per Tebow being a positive presence in the locker room: Pine Riders don’t get followers. First stringers can be leaders in football, but not pine riders. Especially young pine riders. An old vet backup QB tutoring a first string young QB? Influence. Rookie QB riding the pine? Nada.

Denver will put Tebow in the competition for 1st string and he has a very real shot, particularly by year two after the 1st stringers K runs out.

All this talk about “mechanics” and all that crap is waaaay overblown. Joe Montana didn’t have size and he patted the ball right before throwing. He had a medium delivery. His arm was average. And he was the best QB I’ve ever seen play. Tebow has size. Decent speed. Good tackle breaking ability. He has a HUGE heart. He is a hard worker. He will learn the playbook because of hard work (he’s probably average intelligence but is an over-achiever).

And the reality is that Tebow will not be out late and drinking and partying. He will be learning the playbook. And I truly believe he will start this year. Denver didn’t make him a 1st round pick to ride pine.

cloudy

April 26th, 2010
10:40 pm

I didn’t see Spurrier’s name listed as one of the Gator QB’s in the NFL. He threw a lot of wounded ducks but punted for a number of years for the niners. How many years did he play in the NFL- had to be 5 or more I think.

Dick Nixon

April 26th, 2010
10:41 pm

Where did my favorite Gaytor get drafted, Brandon “give me the evil eye,now” Spikes.

Dick Nixon

April 26th, 2010
10:45 pm

Maybe if Pyscho Myer and Tim Tearbow weren’t holding hands all the time and passing notes, some of the other Gaytors may have behaved. Remember, some children just need a little attention.

Reptiles Rule

April 26th, 2010
11:08 pm

What a “Dick”.

Golden Rules!

April 26th, 2010
11:45 pm

Dawg Sentenced for Life..ugump would of had a first round pick this year if Green was there. But you have to ask yourself, will Green lay it on the line this year for a RFr Qb who will struggle? Will he risk injuring himself knowing that this year will most likely be his last and at best, mediocre for the mutts? Does he face backlash from the NFL if he doesn’t produce?
IMHO that Green will have a noticeably down year, but it will not effect his first round draft status…although he may just very well turn into another Gibson.

Miles

April 27th, 2010
12:48 am

70% of the morons in the NFL will be broke within three yeras of leaving the NFL…Tebow will most certainly not fall into this category…congrats to Tebow and hats off to you Mr. Barnhart, i.e., great topic today!

Johnny DangerDawg

April 27th, 2010
2:03 am

Tony,
Colt McCoy doesn’t have “character” problems. So why did he get drafted so far behind Tebow (and behind Clausen)?

GEAUX BLACK & GOLD!

April 27th, 2010
2:09 am

I am literally sick to my stomach of all the Tim Tebow talk…….gosh, you guys find a decent player and WORSHIP him to no end. There was even a report on CNN about his parents! Hell, the guy even had a Super Bowl commercial before he was even drafted! He’s a great player, but the bias shown towards him is becoming a bit sickening. I’m sure the guys over at ESPN get down on their knees every night to pray to the God of Tebow! WOW!

DBCOOPER

April 27th, 2010
2:49 am

Tony ..What happened to Snead at Ole Miss? Why or better yet who would advise him to leave college after his junior year if he wasn’t going to be drafted. He was highly rated going into last year and had a lack-luster year. Why would he leave?

Hardtruth Soldier

April 27th, 2010
11:06 am

Hey Tebow will have a Job with ESPN in 4 Years, and ESPN will sell him as the next big thing on there college football Gameday. Let me tell you though if you mess up the team they have now, I’m done!

Gator88

April 27th, 2010
12:03 pm

“poorgators” – ?? dude-that’s why they play the games. Who really knows.

Tebow-thank god draft is over but everyone is still talking. I wish well for all players drafted but gotta move on to existing UF team. Should be fun to watch win or lose. Lots of unknowns!! this is what it’s all about-strap it on and play. F all the naysayers and prognasticators. what do they know anyway.

Draft-lets face it. if you get picked #1, 2nd round 3rd round or walkon as free agent. If you can play you can play and if you can sack the QB 10 times a year, plug the rusher, cover the receiver, pickoff the qb, run for 100+ game, catch 100 yds+ game, throw for 300+ a game your gonna get to play!!!!!! so you might not sign up for as much but cream rises to top-either your gonna make it or you won’t.

Please put the draft of 2010 behind and let’s get ready for some freakin college FOOTBALL!!! SEC STYLE!!! YEEEEE FING HAAAAAAAAAAW

Vol Ominous

April 27th, 2010
4:09 pm

BeastoftheEast,

I am the last one who wants to admit this, but if you look at it objectively the smart money has to be on USC winning the east this year. Georgia is in a bit of disarray and will hit USC when the quarteback situation is still pretty uncertain, the Vols lack of continuity will slow them down a bit in turning the program around, and Florida lost A LOT and will face SC when their OL has had time to gel and all of their young talent is really starting to develop. And who knows what will happen with Urban Meyer this year.

Whoever wins the east will probably be overmatched in the SECCG. But looking at all the big picture objectively, it’s hard to think USC won’t win the east and get to that game this year.

Jordi Scrubbings

April 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

If character counts so much, why was Myron Rolle drafted in the 200’s? His lack of mention destroyed this article for me.

KJ

April 28th, 2010
4:59 pm

Or maybe the Pats passed on Dunlop because he is a horrible fit in a 3-4 defense? He is too tall to play OLB and not stout enough to play DE in a 3-4. He is a perfect fit as a 4-3 DE however.

You sounded so earnest in your “Here is the most telling part…” line. And then your whole theory is blown out of the water by the realization that I am right. It would be silny for a 3-4 team like the Pats to pick Dunlop. Christ, you are dumb.

KJ

April 28th, 2010
5:02 pm

UGA fans are so ......

April 28th, 2010
10:04 pm

Atlanta Gator: Do you not remember Larry Smith, who played with the Rams, or Norm Van Brocklin’s whipping boy, Harmon Wages?

B-Bro

May 3rd, 2010
8:06 pm

all you UGAY Fans might as well get ready for another back seat to the Gators for anoth 15 years or more.