Do you need a 5-star QB to win a championship?

In recent days I’ve been asked two very interesting questions related to the NFL Draft and the SEC. I was being interviewed for a radio show in Arkansas and the host, Bo Mattingly, noted that there had been very few five-star quarterbacks signed by SEC schools in the past five years. He wondered if this was going to eventually be a problem for the league.

Another person asked me that if Tim Tebow falls out of the first round and goes late in the second or early third, will that be/should that be a problem for Urban Meyer and his staff at Florida? Will it be said that Florida’s staff had somehow let Tebow down?

The answers are no and emphatically no. Let’s take them one at a time.

First of all, I’m not a big believer in player ratings—too many variables. I’ve seen too many players who allegedly had five-star talent but a one-star work ethic. And I’ve seen WAY too many players who were assigned five-star skill but had only a half-star at best when it came to competitive fire and heart. I am a big believer in talent and that the team with the best players usually wins. But when it comes to winning championships, I am also a big believer in the intangibles. Look at Kentucky’s basketball team. Look at Duke’s basketball team. Yesterday five Kentucky players (four freshmen) said they would enter the NBA Draft and all will do well. But Duke cut down the nets in Indianapolis. Duke has really good players but not five NBA draft picks. The intangibles matter when it comes to winning championships.

I don’t believe the absence of highly-rated quarterbacks is that big a deal because history has shown us that you don’t need a five-star quarterback to win a national championship or an SEC championship.

Below are the last 10 national champions, their starting quarterbacks and where they went in the NFL Draft. I have no idea how many of these guys were five-star quarterbacks coming out of high school but I’m sure some of you can name them off the top of your head.  But I’m pretty sure most of them weren’t five-star recruits.

Year—–Nat. Champ——QB—————-Draft

2000—Oklahoma—–Josh Heupel————6th

2001—Miami———Ken Dorsey—————7th

2002—Ohio State—Craig Krenzel————–5th

2003—LSU————-Matt Mauck—————7th

2004—USC————Matt Leinart—————1st

2005—Texas———-Vince Young—————-1st

2006—Florida——–Chris Leak——————undrafted

2007—LSU————Matt Flynn——————7th

2008—Florida——–Tim Tebow——————?????

2009—Alabama——Greg McElory—————???

 

Everybody on planet Earth wanted Matt Leinart (USC 2004), Vince Young (Texas 2005), and Tim Tebow (Florida 2008). That’s a no brainer.

But look at some of the rest. Josh Heupel (Oklahoma 2000) was a junior college transfer. Craig Krenzel (Ohio State 2002) had an average arm at best but could manage a game. Matt Mauck (LSU 2003) was a minor league baseball player and was chosen in the seventh round. Chris Leak (Florida 2006) was not selected in the draft at all.  Greg McElroy (Alabama 2009) doesn’t have the strongest arm in the world but the guy is 29-0 as a starting quarterback in high school and college.

The point is that what’s required of a college quarterback is a completely different than an NFL quarterback. The NFL places a premium on the physical characteristics of a potential quarterback:  Height, weight, and arm strength. But to win a championship in college football, the quarterback has to be more of a manager of the game and a distributor of the ball. I believe that in college football a championship quarterback is not defined by what he does. He is defined by what he DOESN’T do (turn the ball over).  Both games are great. College football is just different. You can win a national championship with a less talented quarterback who makes good decisions.

That’s why I found the Tebow debate so interesting. First of all, it is the job of the college coach to take the talent on hand and develop it in the best way to win games for his team. His first loyalty is to the institution and to the rest of the players on that roster. Getting a player ready for the NFL is nice if you can do it, but it can’t be more important than the success of the team.

Florida and its coaching staff made every effort to help Tebow with his throwing motion, which we all knew was too loopy for the NFL boys, who tend to obsess over those kinds of things. That’s one reason Meyer brought in Scot Loeffler, who had coached five quarterbacks taken in the draft during his time at Michigan.

But if Tim Tebow is not a first round pick on April 22, you can’t say that anybody failed. Tebow walked away from Florida with two national championships, two SEC championships, a Heisman Trophy and enough awards and good will to fill up Ben Hill Griffin Stadium many times. He will be remembered as one of the greatest players and ambassadors in the history of college football.

Ain’t no failure in that.

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119 comments Add your comment

Lord of the Lizards

April 8th, 2010
6:48 pm

And to Bulldog59, and all of Matthew Staffords 42 million George Washingtons still won’t buy him a college championship. If I was a Dawg, I wouldn’t be all that happy that Stafford supposedly had all this talent (according to the NFL) then got a fat contract but contibuted so little to the championship legacy of UGA. In fact, he contibuted NOTHING! Not even an SEC East Div title!!!!! I’m sure he doesn’t give a flip though, he probably just wanted to get the hell out of there so he could start counting his money…

Tide Rising

April 8th, 2010
6:57 pm

Lord of the Lizards,

I’ll just say “ouch” on behalf of the dawg fans.

dawgfan

April 8th, 2010
7:08 pm

To win a national title you need great defense and a solid O line, something Matthew Stafford rarely had. I continue to be amazed at how my fellow dawg fans and others throw this guy under the bus. Some clown even called his 3rd year “underwhelming.”. 3,500 yards and 25 TDs (school record) are underwhelmimg. Sure thing nimwit. We’ll be lucky to get a talent of this calibre again if this is the way they’ll be treated.

Yeah, the NFL and CFB are totally different Tony. In CFB, Tebow could get away with his weak arse throwing motion. In the NFL, DBs will read it like a book. There is a reason the NFL obsesses over things like that. I think they might know what they’re doing.

Thanks.

athdog

April 8th, 2010
8:04 pm

AJ McCarron is going to be the best qb Bama has had since Namath and Stabler…
#2Bama…that’s high praise, being compared to two of the biggest drunks ever to come out of Tuskeeloogie

athdog

April 8th, 2010
8:08 pm

Lord of the Lizards…I hate to say it but I agree with your Stafford comments. Physical tools galore, never lived up to the hype. Overrated? I think so.

Tide Rising

April 8th, 2010
8:12 pm

athdog,

AJ is tearing it up in spring practices and scrimmages. He earned the backup qb last year as a redshirt and if McElroy couldn’t have played in the bcs title game McCarron was fully prepared. I would say he’s a little farther along right now than Murray or Mettenberger. 21 or 28,229 yds, 3 tds, 0 ints. We’re gonna be set at qb for awhile to come with him and now 5 star Phillip Sims on campus as an early enrollee.

As for you calling Namath and Stabler drunks. Well, at least those 2 drunks have won super bowls which is more than I can say for Frank Tarkenton or any other Georgia qb. When you can accomplish more than those 2 drunks please let me know.

daddo

April 8th, 2010
8:48 pm

Ah, those two drunks not only have two super bowl rings but they also each won a national championship. Give me a drunk any time.

Lord of the Lizards

April 8th, 2010
8:55 pm

I’ll drink to that!

jumbeautiger

April 8th, 2010
9:22 pm

As a kid I was a huge fan of Stabler when he played for the Raiders. The time he fumbled the ball forward which led to winning a game at the end was classic.

When I was at LSU I met Stabler at a bar while I was on Spring break in Gulf Shores.

I met Namath at a Tampa hotel pool in 1989 when LSU was playing Syracuse in the bowl there.

Both were very nice guys and if they are drunks, so what.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

messin with sasquatch

April 8th, 2010
10:05 pm

think it just points out the difference between college ball and nfl. thank god we have college football. the nfl is usually boring, and I only have an interest during the postseason.
i guess its nice to make a buck for a game you enjoy, but breaking into the nfl and being successful in it is limited to a few. note the usual hesiman busts.
the movie “everybody’s all-american” just about says it all for qb’s.

SEC fan

April 8th, 2010
10:26 pm

May we all drink to drunks who win championships everywhere. Weren’t Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth drunks who won lots of World series?

#2 BAMA FAN

April 9th, 2010
4:41 am

Tide Rising, If your were a lawyer I would hire you in a new york minute!! As to Namath and Stabler being drunks Tiger Woods could not keep up if these guys in the bar or bedroom with the ladies in the
day!! RTR

Bulldog59

April 9th, 2010
8:16 am

L of the L, the POINT made by Fowler, which is known by the entire nation is, Meyer did not develop Tebow for the NFL. He simply let an unbelievable college player “do his thing.” Meyer is super-sensitive about this because he knows it is true and it is too late to fix it. As for Stafford, he didn’t cost UGA anything in terms of championships, that honor goes to Willie Martinez and our D staff. Finally, Stafford is a true Bulldog and has visited Athens and the team several times since he left UGA. Best of luck to Tebow, a fine young man, but he will see very limited opportunities and success in the NFL. Look for him to join the Danny Wuerffel ministries around 2015.

GATOR88

April 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

Wow-some of you people really think we are wrapped up in Tebow….while a great player, legacy, etc. he is now gone. I really don’t care too much what happens to him in the NFL. Whatever happens to him-he is gonna be alright. same as a whole lotta other players on the fringes of the NFL. This is the most overblown, irritating and irrelevant conversation that just won’t die until the 4/22 draft. Thank god and greyhoud Ron Zook is gone-go Urbanator..

Delbert D.

April 9th, 2010
4:47 pm

Best Georgia QBs: Fran Tarkenton and David Green.

scopesmonkey

April 9th, 2010
4:55 pm

I think that Ken Dorsey was also a blue-chipper.

Bulldog59

April 9th, 2010
9:46 pm

RR, like your UF buddy, you missed the point. I’ll try to speak slower and use small words…..many recruits are looking for a program to give them the best shot (highest draft possibility) in the NFL. Tebow’s shortcomings give other schools a recruiting tool against UF, even my UF buddies agree. Not to worry, Meyer will be gone soon, he can’t stand that Alabama is tops in the SEC now. The heart palpitations, the hospital stay, and reporter incident are just the beginning. Good luck with the 2 QB system in 2010, I’m sure that will woo a lot of future top QBs to UF. Nice touch with the DC bait-and-switch as well, I’m sure all the D recruits loved that (announcing the NEW DC is leaving, the DAY AFTER signing day.)

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Urban Failed Tebow?

April 12th, 2010
5:59 pm

If Tebow doesn’t go in the 1st round, you have to admit Urban Meyer USED Tebow to get what he wanted, and did not align Tebow’s long term goals with his own. So yes, if that happens, he not only failed Tebow, he did somethign a father would never do–not get his son ready for the NFL.