Fisher has a plan to bring Florida State back


Tallahassee, Fla.—For the first time in my professional life I walked into the office of the Florida State head coach and somebody other than Bobby Bowden was sitting behind the desk. Despite my personal admiration for Bowden and my disappointment at the way he was pushed out the door after 34 seasons, I have to admit that Jimbo Fisher looked comfortable and in charge of the Florida State program.

“A lot of people have asked me if it feels different sitting in this chair,” said Fisher, who was elevated to head coach after serving as head-coach-in-waiting to Bowden for three seasons. “I’m sure it will be different from time to time when some of these administrative things pop up. I don’t mean this is an arrogant way but I don’t feel overwhelmed. It’s not something I can’t do. I feel like I know where I want to go.”

There is evidence of Fisher’s vision in the office. To the left of Fisher’s desk are about 30 footballs and other stuff (hats, etc.) that needs to be signed. To his right are two architect’s renderings. One is of a much-needed indoor practice facility (at a cost of about $15 million) that Bowden wanted for years so that his team would not be at the mercy of the inevitable late afternoon thunderstorms in the Florida panhandle.

The other drawing is a proposed new dormitory on Tennessee Street that would house athletes and other students. (Note: The NCAA eliminated athletic dorms in 1996 but athletes can share a dorm with other students). The dorm, which would include a dining hall and the academic support system, will cost about $31 million. Fisher can’t say when the two structures will get built but he has heard from some donors who may get things rolling.

Fisher can’t say this but I can. Rightly or wrongly, there were some big money people at Florida State who sat on their cash waiting for the Bowden issue to be resolved. Now that it has, some of that money will start flowing again.

“When we get those two done I think we’ll be in pretty good shape,” Fisher said. “We’ll be on our way.”

Talking to people at Florida State, even those who still profess their affection for Bowden, the Seminoles are already on their way.

“This guy has got a plan,” said Eddie Gran, who spent 16 years as an assistant in the SEC before leaving Tennessee last December to join Fisher at Florida State. “I’m very excited about being here.”

Gran is one of five new coaches that Fisher brought on board after taking over. Gran, considered to be one of the South’s best recruiters, is the oldest at 44. New defensive coordinator Mark Stoops and linebackers coach Greg Hudson are both 42. Dameyune Craig, who played quarterback for Fisher at Auburn, has come on board as recruiting coordinator. He is 35. Defensive end coach D.J. Eliot, a former recruiting coordinator at Rice, is 33. The Florida State staff has suddenly gotten a lot younger.

“The staff is a good mix of people who can help our players get better,” said Fisher. “This is a high-energy bunch. And they can all recruit. We have good players here. We need to convince more to join us.”

From 1987-2000 Florida State had a run that most college football people believe will never be repeated. For 14 consecutive seasons the Seminoles won at least 10 games and finished in the final Associated Press Top Five.  In those 14 seasons FSU won 152 games and two national championships.

After that run Bowden would be the head coach for nine more seasons but would get to 10 wins only one more time (2003). The best final ranking in that stretch was also in 2003 (11th).

Many reasons were given for the slippage in the program: Bowden’s age and the uncertainty of the future; the departure of offensive coordinator Mark Richt, who became head coach at Georgia in 2001, and Bowden’s decision to name his son, Jeff, to replace Richt.

But the simple fact is that in the late 80s and 90s Florida State was THE place that the elite football player wanted to at least visit. It was the sexy place to play football. It didn’t matter if a kind was from Walla Walla, Washington or Pensacola, Fla. Kids wanted to come to Florida State because Bowden was winning and turning out bunches of NFL players. At some point that changed and the program declined when fewer and fewer great players came to Tallahassee.

“The difference in the talent in Coach Bowden’s great run and in the final years was night and day,” an ACC assistant coach told me. “It wasn’t even close.”

Fisher has always shown Bobby Bowden the proper deference and will continue to do so. “All you have to do is look around to see what he built here,” said Fisher. “There is a reason there is a statue of him in front of this stadium. Every one of us who works here owes coach Bowden a lot.”

But Fisher also knows that now it is his job to take the legacy that Bowden created and to build on it. His job is to put Florida State back into the yearly discussion for the national championship.

“It’s not like we’re trying to do something here that hasn’t been done before,” Fisher said. “Coach Bowden and all those great coaches and players set the standard. Our job is to get Florida State back there.”


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March 31st, 2010
8:52 am

good article i think he will suceed. tell me Tony is Shultz gone for good? 10 days is a long time for a personal matter


March 31st, 2010
8:54 am

Bobby Bowden, “We were willing to join the SEC as long as we didn’t have to play Alabama and Auburn in the same year, but the SEC declined.” L. A. Times, 9/20/90, section C9.

Bowden was 71-2 during 1992-2000 against ACC opponents.

He would have been just another coach in the SEC. Look at all his SEC losses in that same time frame.


March 31st, 2010
8:59 am

Heh heh, FSU will continue its path of mediocrity. They will not again reach the heights they did with Bowden in his prime. Bobby was a very special coach and the tradition at FSU is pretty weak except as it relates to him. Miami and Florida will be in ascendance for the foreseeable future.

Nothwithstanding the previous, it must be said that Demayeune Craig always struck me as a hell of a player and inspirational leader. Jimbo Fischer? Not so much…


March 31st, 2010
9:04 am

You can dress it up in Chief Osceola’s buckskin and surround it with Seminole mumbo jumbo but at it’s heart, this school is still the Florida State College for Women.


March 31st, 2010
9:04 am

I also am concerned about Jeff Schulz. Hope everything is ok. He must have had a death in his family or something like that. Really, miss his column everyday. Hope he is not considering changing jobs. Get back as quick as possible Jeff! We all miss you.


March 31st, 2010
9:07 am

They should tear down Joke-Shamble stadium and build a roller derby rink surrounded by fast food outlets to provide employment to FSU grads.


March 31st, 2010
9:14 am

We would all be talking about Vassar and its plans to maintain its glorious football past if only Coach Bowden had gone there to coach instead of FSU.


March 31st, 2010
9:14 am

Tony…glad to have you back…means college football is not far off. Reasons FSU fell by the wayside? First, Bowden lost Mark Richt and Chuck Amato. FSU was never the same after they left…even Amato coming back couldn’t recapture the magic. Second…FSU developed this thug-mentality where winning was the bottom line…see Janikowski and Peter Warrick cases and Bowden’s special rules for them. Third…coaches at colleges around FSU got better and took away many of his recruiting territories. For example…when Richt went to UGA, he robbed Bowden of all that south Georgia talent that used to flock to Tallahassee. The greatest player in FSU history came from where? Ron Simmons…Warner-Robins, Ga. Bowden also became involved in nepotism…involving hiring family members for jobs for which they were unqualified. Good coaches either left him or refused to come due to that. Bowden’s age became a recruiting tool for other coaches…they did the same thing with Bryant at Bama and w/Paterno to an extent at Penn State. With chinks in Urban Meyer’s armor showing…maybe Jimbo can exploit him in recruiting a kid to come to FSU. I really feel that Randy Shanno at Miami and Fisher at FSU will begin making the slices of the recruiting pie in Florida more equal than they have been in a long time. Finally…the ACC developed into a stronger conference than it was when Bowden was winning all those games each and every week. FSU lost that mystique…esp. playing at home…which also hurt them.


March 31st, 2010
9:17 am

It’ll be tough to get back to 80’s/90’s FSU with Florida next door and all that elite talent that used to go to FSU has been siphoned off, to a degree, with the rise of USF and UCF nearby.


March 31st, 2010
9:20 am

Jimbo has his work cut out for him. Things in college football have changed since the “Bobby Run” on the wins. I don’t see this program returing to the historical wins it had in the past. Yeah, there’s some big time money down there to be thrown around, but what major colleges today don’t have it if they need it.

Gator Mike

March 31st, 2010
9:21 am

Bobby Bowden was special for FSU and college football whether one liked him or not, and the way FSU tossed him under the bus is disgraceful. Bobby deserved the one kmore year which he wanted. Personally, I do not see what is so special about Coach Fisher.
Hopefully, the GATORS will continue to hammer the Noles.


March 31st, 2010
9:27 am

It is an interesting quesiton whether Urban’s star actually is going to wane a bit. All of this disappearing act is bound to have some impact on UF. The problem for the other schools though is that nobody else in the state of Florida can provide the exposure that UF can because of being in the SEC and the SEC’s contract with ESPN. Even though I love SEC football, I am a bigger fan of college football as a whole. This ESPN contract is downright unhealthy for the sport.


March 31st, 2010
9:28 am

good story, tony.


March 31st, 2010
9:33 am

Bobby Bowden wasn’t all that. He hurt his program by hanging around too long and tainted his legacy by nepotistically hiring his son. Then he tried to exert power from beyond the grave by engineering Jimbo’s appointment. He recruited thugs and individuals of downright felonious character. He was unable to monitor academic compliance and has been in scrapes from that. All in all, the FSU administration just seemed to turn a blind eye to all of it because Bobby was the archetypal good ole boy.

South Georgia Nole

March 31st, 2010
9:44 am

I’d be pretty worried if I were UGA or that Ag School in Hogtown with Fisher now in charge of the entire program. He turned around the offense and with Bobby’s pals gone from the defensive side of the ball that should also improve. The ‘Noles should win their division this year and be back in the ACCCG for the first time since they faced VT in Jax.

Funny that most of the people who complain about how badly Bobby was treated are not Seminole fans/boosters. If he had been at your school, you’d have wanted him out too. He overstayed his welcome and began to run us into the ground.

Also, Ag School fans should pipe down when talking about player conduct. Since Urban has come to Hogtown y’all have us beat in the felony department. Dead people’s credit cards, violent assaults and gun crimes. Go ‘Gators!


March 31st, 2010
9:45 am

Here is the most telling stat. Bobby Bowden has a losing record to every CANE coach with a NC. Count em 4. That speaks volumes about his 1) Coaching abilities in the games 2) the type of head to head recruiting he was doing against 4 cane coaches.

He also has a losing record against the Gators.

Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the ACC.

No one cares about FSU since they aren’t in the national spotlight. Once they get a good team, then you will hear more about them.


March 31st, 2010
9:55 am

I am no florida fan there South Georgia Nole. Urban is another guy who hasn’t met a future felon he didn’t like so long as the guy ran a 4.4.

South Georgia Nole

March 31st, 2010
9:58 am

Thought you were one of them Gators Kiffinisatosser. After a closer reading of your name (good one by the way), I’m pretty sure you’re a Vol.


March 31st, 2010
9:59 am

FSU was and always will be my favorite non-SEC team. I remember they used to get the better of us in the early 90’s when I was a kid going to Tiger Stadium. And the uniforms are the 2nd best in college football, LSU being the best of course. Anyway, I think they are on the rise. Ponder will have a great sr season, but I wonder about the defenese. Hopefully the new DC can get them up to speed.


March 31st, 2010
9:59 am

Please Tony, enough of the whining about how FSU did Bobby Bowden wrong. The man is 80 years old, the program was in disarray and getting worse every year. If Bowden had put FSU ahead of himself he would have stepped down 5 years ago. And as far as the “one more year”, Bowden never suggested he’d be satisfied with one more year until the heat was turned up on him last year. If his team had rebounded and won 9 games in the one more year, he’d have asked for one more after that. it was long past time for him to go.


March 31st, 2010
10:13 am

This name is a holdover from last year…:-) I support a traditional SEC non-power with a special hatred for UT!


March 31st, 2010
10:18 am

I to miss Jeff. Hope he is ok.
FSU will be just fine with Fisher…I look for big time football again.
GT basketball…..Fire Paul Hewitt, Please!

SC Ace

March 31st, 2010
10:41 am

As a lifelong Nole fan I will never say anything negative about Coach Bowden. I agree with Howard’s analysis above (except the last point about the ACC getting better – FSU sunk to the level of the conference, not vice versa. The SEC has more cache with recruits, TV exposure, etc.). But it was time for Bobby to step aside. I’m excited about what Jimbo is doing.

Curious George

March 31st, 2010
11:33 am

Does Coach JImbo’s plan to bring back Florida State involve FREE SHOES?

A pre-paid legal defense fund?

Even-EASIER college girls?

Under-the-table pay increases for players for lure better talent to the school?

Legalized and university-subsidized marijuana for players?

Hiring Nick Saban away from ‘Bama?


March 31st, 2010
11:36 am

I think a big question will be if Jimbo can keep the recruits in class, out of jail and out of the news…..Bowden did a good job covering up the mistakes. RTR


March 31st, 2010
11:58 am

Jimbo is modernizing FSU Football. The program was stuck in the 90’s and Bowden couldn’t adjust. Jimbo turned around the offense and now that he has total control he will turn the program around.


March 31st, 2010
11:59 am

South Ga Nole – I agree, it was way past time for Bobby to go. UGA won’t be able to recruit south ga now that we’ve re-established the recruiting pipeline into to tally. People want to talk about talent, need to look at our roster and recruiting class. We have talent, we beat the pants off Uga to get several ga kids. Christian Green, Jeff Luc, Lamarcus Joyner, Greg Reid, Nigel Bradham, Tevin smith..Yea, there’s no talent there at all…Can’t wait to make a BCS appearance this season….GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Return TO DOMINANCE IN 2010!!!


March 31st, 2010
11:59 am

It WAS very sad the way the Bowden era ended but I think it was also time for the change. You can already see a big difference in their approach to recruiting getting alot of early commitments. They had to change because they were getting left behind certainly by not only Florida, but by their own conference. And there were starting to be alot of empty seats at Doke. I will predict a 9-3 even maybe a 10-2 this year and a trip to the ACC Champ game. But don’t know if I’m ready to say a BCS bowl yet…


March 31st, 2010
12:02 pm

I’m sorry, Doak. No disrespect intended.


March 31st, 2010
12:05 pm

People want to talk about our record in the 90s vs the SEC..We had a winning record against florida who dominated the sec during that time and auburn backed out on a series with is….A dominant FSU is good for college football. We will get there way before miami will..they are in worse shape than people think

Tide Rising

March 31st, 2010
12:15 pm

Stoops turned Arizona into a top 25 defense. To turn a program like Arizona with average talent at best and playing in the high octane offense Pac 10 into a top 25 defense is really saying something. No telling what he will be able to do with the talent FSU can bring in defensively. He will definitely get the program back. It also means a lot of talent that has been going to Florida, Georgia, and to a lesser extent Alabama and others will be steered back towards FSU again. I do remember that during Bowden’s run that FSU seemed to have the top class or a top 3 recruiting class year in and year out like clockwork. I don’t see that happening again but I do see them picking off their share of recruits going forward. It’ll be good to see a proud program like FSU rise back up again.

Last, the 14 year run of 10 win seasons and top 5 finishes from 1987-2000 is nothing short of amazing. That run will never ever be repeated again. Ever!


March 31st, 2010
12:19 pm

Fisher is going to be an amazing head coach. Just listen to assistants, recruits, and reporters rave about him. He combines Saban’s organizational philosophies, Bowden’s wit and charm, and a brilliant offensive mind all in one package. He is also a tireless Recruiter.
The turnaround for FSU will be swift.


March 31st, 2010
12:20 pm

Funny that SEC fans (mostly gators) never miss an opportunity to bash FSU. This is an article about the passing of the torch from Bowden to Fisher and none of us will know what kind of job Jimbo will do until the fall rolls around. Those of us who know and love FSU realize what caused the downfall of the program. But that is history and what must worry the rest of college football is what is coming in the future. SEC fans better get your licks in while you can. Its coming………


March 31st, 2010
12:21 pm

SaintsLSU … You’re kidding about the LSU uniforms, right? The yellow is, well, yellow. And the tiger on the side of your helmets is microscopic. I do like the stripes on your jerseys, though. Reminds me of Johnny Unitas and the Colts.


March 31st, 2010
12:27 pm

Fsu is fixin to take over the state of Florida…


March 31st, 2010
12:33 pm

There’s a reason they’re called the Half-a$$-U Semen-holes!


March 31st, 2010
12:35 pm

My apologies to the SEC. After further review, it appears that our neighbors to the south seem to do most of the FSU bashing. I certainly would not put those with actual opinions in their category. Maybe the uf fans are a little worried that Fisher runs things much like his old boss Mr. Saban. Certainly just cause for concern……………

North GA Nole

March 31st, 2010
12:54 pm

Steve: You quote 1992-2000. I believe Bowden had a winning record against Spurrier. Not to mention out of conference schedules against Nebraska and Texas A&M (when they were good), Notre Dame, Penn St., LSU plus Florida and Miami every year. Don’t forget, but for 3 Wide Rights, there would have been 3 more National Championship appearances. Nebraska with Tom Osborne at the helm. Those were some insane battles.


March 31st, 2010
12:54 pm

All one has to do is look at the 6th best recruiting class in the country ranking this staff earned and you know FSU’s back.
Good luck to Coach Fisher, his staff and the ‘Noles this Fall.
Seems like old times (and tough season finale games) are back here to stay.


March 31st, 2010
12:57 pm


Where’s Atlanta Gator?


March 31st, 2010
12:59 pm

To all you worthless Gaytors. At least we never had a FLAMING QB.


March 31st, 2010
1:02 pm

I find it funny that SEC and UGA fans want to make fun of FSU and their past. the SEC and UGA has had it’s share of unethical actions. Jim Harrick and Charlie Pell comes to mind. The fact of the matter is that FSU is on it’s way back, something that UGA fans can not say. I’m willing to bet that UGA fans wish they had the record that FSU had during it’s hayday. The facts are is that FSU now have a staff who are all great recruiters. They are stating their claim to South Georgia, South Florida, and other area’s that are hot beds for football talent. They have 12 recruits for 2011, How many does UGA have?


March 31st, 2010
1:06 pm

Zach i hope you are right but i haven’t witnessed any brillant offensive anything under Fisher’s direction and that includes his stay at LSU.

Charlie Bama

March 31st, 2010
1:35 pm

There are many reasons I should NOT want FSU to return to what it hopes is its rightful place among the national programs. (I have a soft spot for Clemson, for example.) HOWEVER, deep down I want FSU back in the mix. Call me old school, or call me silly crazy. I’m just sayin’…. (Plus, the Gators could have their hands full with a reinvigorated FSU, unable to focus on the annual spanking Bama will administer in the GaDome every December, if you all know what I mean and I think you do.)


March 31st, 2010
1:37 pm

Hey Steve, I had a few extra minutes at lunch so I thought I would go back and look up some info related to your comment about Bowden…”He would have been just another coach in the SEC. Look at all his SEC losses in that same time frame”. Let’s see, in the 1992 -2000 time frame you reference, FSU played 12 SEC games and went 7-4-1. One of those was a 7 point loss in the national title game against Tennessee, when FSU was quarterbacked by a third string former walk on due to injuries (I know, you play with what you got). The other 11 games (includes 2 bowl games) were against UF. As you may recall, UF wasn’t too shabby during that 9 year period themselves as the Evil Genius ran roughshod over the SEC by posting a combined 93 W / 21 L record which included 5 SEC titles and a national championship. Had they been in the SEC, I don’t think that FSU would have been able to so thoroughly dominate for 14 years as they did in the ACC. Having said that, even being in the SEC, I think FSU still would have been among the best in the country and probabaly would have won several conference titles (and maybe even a national title), but they just wouldn’t have had the 14 year record they were able to post in the ACC.


March 31st, 2010
1:41 pm

John, can you even read? Most of the people on here bashing FSU are clearly not UGA fans.

Mark Richt

March 31st, 2010
1:49 pm

I would think that outside of UF, every SEC team would prefer a stronger FSU. A stronger FSU creates problems for the gators, they will have to worry about winning their state and winning the recruiting wars so much, that we dawgs might stand a chance against them in Jacksonville.


March 31st, 2010
2:02 pm

It’s so funny that all of these sec fans have to comment on fsu news! Thanks for the analysis guys, but really why comment on a team that isn’t in the national spotlight? Why? Because we have been and always will be nationally recognized as a GREAT program, our bad years are on par with some teams greatest seasons ie. Ole Miss 9 wins, did that two years ago as well, but they came in ranked high and fell hard, Kentucky, South Carolina and many more. Ya need to start preparing for the new seminole era because its goin to be a nice long ride at the top!!!


March 31st, 2010
2:14 pm

Also find it interesting that sec fans want to bash the seminole program as playing in a weak conference, but their heavyweight “Florida” has renigged on their contract to play Miami in Miami after hosting them during their downslide, hmmmm…..guess its easier to pretend that the sec is the most dominant conference in football by not playing any real out of conference games. Why is it that Miami will play Oklahoma, Fsu will play a top ten ranked BYU and teams like Texas will play ohio state and so on and so forth, but the big sec programs will not? Makes ya wonder, why you bother taking shots!! Besides anyone else remeber bama disappeared for all of the 2000’s until saban, and gator fans remember the great Zook!!!!


March 31st, 2010
2:16 pm

Nice article. Man there are some ignorant posters on here concerning Florida State football. Noboby will ever have 14 straight top 4 finishes again but I do believe the coach Fisher will have FSU back at the top year in and year out competing for National championships again. He is just that good of a coach. We are already pulling in top talent and Jimbo can coach them up. So all you haters out there, hate as much as you want but we are coming back and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!


March 31st, 2010
2:25 pm

Will Fisher succeed? maybe..maybe not but the talent comment holds true. Bobby did not have the talent the past decade. FSU also had 2 coaches as the face of the program most of the past decade. Players knew coaches would change as soon as Fisher took over.

Fisher has the job and boom recruiting was up at FSU. FSU is still viewed as a fun place to play in a very talent rich part of the country. FSU is bound to improve, the question is how much will they?


March 31st, 2010
2:30 pm

PoopDawg (great name btw) You probably don’t even watch college football? During his tenure at LSU he led them to the best three years of offensive numbers that school has ever seen, and haven’t seen since. Every year at FSU he has improved the offense significantly, and this year before Ponder hurt his shoulder, FSU was the most productive offense the ACC has seen in more than 10 years, at 7.2 yards a play! He is doing this even though he didn’t even recruit Ponder and still may turn him into the first overall pick in next year’s draft. Fisher is a great coach and has made the right hires. The rest of the country has been put on notice FSU is climbing the mountain.


March 31st, 2010
2:49 pm

Bobby Bowden may have been pushed out, but he should have left gracefully years ago. He wanted the money and glory, he did not care about how far he took FSU down, he wanted a big paycheck and to win more games for personal recognition. I bet he never offfered to coach for free. Coaches all want the big bucks and when they lose, they cry give me more time. I wished he had stayed until he was a 100, that way FSU would stay down.


March 31st, 2010
2:56 pm

NationWideNole , Fisher’s offensive success at LSU was total smashmouth football, nothing wrong with that. But to say he has a brillant offensive mind ,i haven’t seen it. Ponder will have a huge year and Fisher deserves credit for developing him. Scheme wise and play calling Fisher has not been impressive, but then again “i probably don’t watch college football.”


March 31st, 2010
3:07 pm

“Bobby was kicked out the door!” “Bobby was thrown under the bus!” Jeez, I can understand that coming from Lou Holtz and Mark May, but now even Tony Barnhart, for whom I have nothing but respect, is drinking that old stale Kool Aid too.

As an FSU fan of 36 years, I don’t look at like poor ol’ Coach Bowden wasn’t given one last season. I look at it like he was given NINE FULL SEASONS after it became obvious that the game had passed him by. I’m as grateful as anyone can be for what Coach Bowden did for FSU——both the football program AND the university. But it was WAY past time for him to step aside. Finally, I am very excited for Coach Fisher and this coaching staff. I see far better days ahead for Seminole football.

Not Bad

March 31st, 2010
3:23 pm

People have said FSU is gonna be back every year. I’m gonna go with the safe bet (based on the last few years) and say that FSU will not be back soon. I am thinking at least 5 or 6 years.


March 31st, 2010
3:25 pm

Good grief, Jimbo Fisher had the top offense in FSU history statically last year. If we had a defense we would have been a top 5 team. FSU had the best defensive class in recruiting this year. Just check out who they have committed for next year. It is insane. FSU will be back on top very soon, the gatards lost way to much and will get a serious beating by FSU in the Doak come November. FSU…2 seniors and 3 juniors on the OL. Vic Villoria has done wonders already with the team. GO Noles!


March 31st, 2010
3:29 pm

The recent ascendancy of UF football has everything to do with the decline of the last decade at FSU. You better believe things are a changin in Tallahassee. Gator fans deep in their hearts fear the spear
I’ve never felt a vibe like we are seeing now with coach Fisher and his new staff. I loved coach Bowden , and still do, and he is happy for Fisher. Bowden said Fisher has one of the best football minds he had been around and now we are starting to see it ourselves.
This year will start the change. It’s no accident that 12 or 13 early commits are on board.


March 31st, 2010
3:31 pm

wow no 5 burning ??? for the coastal division …i guess ajc is for sec and do everything half ass’d this blog sucks just glad i didnt pay for it


March 31st, 2010
3:33 pm

I smell some concern among Gator fans. Right before Fisher took over as head coach, their recruting class probably wasn’t even top 50…maybe not even top 100. However, after Fisher took over, it ended up being a TOP 10. Kind of speaks for itself. And, everyone forgets that FSU had a good offense last year…and Ponder is back. So, if they can just improve some on defense, look out!

Steve Spurrier

March 31st, 2010
3:37 pm

They play in a high school league. He should do well.


March 31st, 2010
3:48 pm

High school league? Check out which conference has any better atheletes in the pro’s
It is the typical smug attitude that causes me to root against teams that I ordinarily like otherwise.

South Georgia Nole

March 31st, 2010
4:27 pm

Yeah, the ACC is a high school league. One where if you have a great season and win the conference championship game you can play for a National Title. All this SEC is great talk is well and fine but finishing 8-4 or 9-3 year after year won’t get you anywhere but Tampa or maybe Orlando. Just because the road y’all hoe may be tougher I like ours where we have a better shot at the BCS Title.

Plus, the SEC is a bunch of Ag School with less than stellar academics. GT, UNC, Duke, BC or Ole Miss, UT, Auburn? Tough call.


March 31st, 2010
4:30 pm

People that dog the ACC schedule that FSU had cracks me up…if it’s so easy, why hasn’t any other ACC team won 10+ for 14 years straight? Or any other team in any other conference EVER for that matter? And what was the first team to go wire-to-wire as the #1 team in the country?

Bad-mouth FSU as much as you like, but no other school can claim that, and we know you’d all like to.


March 31st, 2010
4:32 pm

I wish him luck. He’s sitting in the seat of the best college head coach in history.

Gen Neyland

March 31st, 2010
4:39 pm

Taking a short break from the oval ball to the round ball while this sleepless watchdog keeps vigil on the possible travels of Tubby ‘Waldo’ Smith, the Minneapolis Star Tribune today mentions aloud in print the prospect of Waldo Smith looking to the Oregon Ducks. The Red Star Trib humble reporter says, ‘No way’…Back to FSU football…


March 31st, 2010
4:41 pm

Maybe the Fishman should look at the recent level of players that have arrest records, cheating scandal involvement, and capable of actually going to class and passing. If we have learned nothing else in the last decade, it’s the value of integrity and harm to the team of having players that don’t have it.


March 31st, 2010
4:49 pm

Gator fans beware, the coaching staff turnover in hogtown is looking awfully similar to what happened in Tallahassee when Mark Richt began the exodus. You’ll recall, that afterward FSU was still getting top 5 recruiting classes, but the new staff was unable to manage all of the 5 star attitudes, figure out their roles, and live in the pressure cooker resulting from the previous successes. You think Urban was burned out before, wait until he has to do everyone’s job! Will history repeat??

Anybody that can play

March 31st, 2010
5:13 pm

I am for anybody in the ACC being half way decent. As long as Tech can compete for the Championship with a Military academy offense and no defense what so ever, noone will take the conference serious. Go Canes and Go Noles, College Football and the ACC in particular needs you. I am tired of Florida, Bama, LSU, and the rest of the SEC owning college football.

Fast Eddie

March 31st, 2010
5:34 pm

Neuroticnolefan, why don’t you just wait and win something with Fisher before putting your foot in your mouth with all your predictions? If FSU doesn’t have a good year we will never see you on this board again. I am confident Fisher is a fine person and may be a good coach but he’s never been a head coach, to my knowledge. Give him some growing room. You sound like some idiotic fans of SEC schools who expect perfection every year. It is not likely to happen!


March 31st, 2010
5:40 pm

The SEC definitely has tradition on it’s side but the ACC’s talent is nothing to snicker at. The ACC had more players in this years Pro Bowl than the SEC did.


March 31st, 2010
5:48 pm

Not so fast….. Fast Eddie! What exactly did I predict when I put my foot in my mouth? I’m pretty sure all I did was imply that FSU is on the rise and with the coaching talent and recruits that they are pulling in, the product on the field is likely to improve. Believe me, I’ve been through my share of “not so good” years at FSU and I’ll gladly stand behind my words. Never said anything about perfection either. Maybe you should read a post before you “stick your foot in your mouth” with ignorant comments. Good luck with that.


March 31st, 2010
6:02 pm

Folks, please let me enlighten you…it’s all about the money. Back in the day when head coaches (and assistants) were paid slightly more than they were worth, they had incentive to win and change to win some more. Now, with the embarassing salaries, bonuses, and stipens, there is no incentive. Look at CMR…one more 8-5 year and he’s gone, and do you think he actually gives a sh*t? Wait a year or two in Florida with Urban Renewal losing 2 or three games a season and he’s gone. Saban is the smartest, because he’ll leave every three or four years BEFORE his teams come down to earth, and he’ll double his salary. By 2012, Saban will be the head coach at ND making $10M per year for 10 years…guaranteed. Of course, he’ll retire before his contract is half up, for health concerns. It’s all about the money and it’s ruining college football. Anyway, just my opinion.


March 31st, 2010
6:19 pm

It’s been offered many times as a potential epitaph to Bowden’s football career: “At least he played Miami.” Of course, this is back when no one else would, including one of the SEC’s perennial power’s, UF, because they were so doggone good. This is before FSU had any notoriety. Fisher is advancing FSU quite nicely in recruiting, balancing the schedule (instead of always playing one of the 3 hardest in the NCAA each year), advancing nutrition, reps and pace of practice. He has returned money that has been on the sidelines for years, top notch assistants have left other programs for FSU and Fisher because they have a memorable and unprecedented football history – one of the few true dynasties. There is an air and buzz that many youth and these assistant coaches believe are coming back to Seminole Country because of Fisher. They already have 12 recruits committed for 2011 and have not played a single down of 2010 football. NO SEC team has that statistic (only Texas – which typically recruits early). They know he is highly sought after and has demonstrated he is committed (turned down head coaching offers at Auburn and WV during his time as “head-coach in waiting) and they want to play for him and this program. FSU is definitely coming back on the radar of National Championship picture within 2 years.


March 31st, 2010
6:31 pm

And what’s this mess about FSU was only good because it had to waltz through the ACC. When you check strength of schedule, when padded with yearly meetings with UF, Miami and….oh….Nebraska, Oklahoma, Alabama, Colorado, pick em, FSU consistently had one of the top three toughest strength of schedules in the country. The winning was not because they had an easy street to the national title – hate to say it but UMiami probably kept us from going 4 more. Then there were the times FSU went and lost it to UF, OK and Tenn. We could have 6-8 over that period. Sickening. We played a real tough schedule – SEC on steroids. I mean, let’s not forget the SEC packs powers like Ole Miss, Kentucky and Vanderbilt, too. Obviously joking, meaning that we aren’t the only conference with easier teams than others.

David in Tallahassee

March 31st, 2010
7:45 pm

There is a lot of buzz around my beloved Seminoles football team for for the first time in a long time, the excitement is change. Coach Fisher has completely revamped the way things are done. Off the field, Fisher is implementing programs such as mental health counselors, nutritionist, and various programs designed to help motivate(force) these kids to reach their goals of education, health, and wellness. On the field, his resume so far with the FSU offense speaks for itself when measured up against an adjusted metric.(see link below) The defense has been put in the capable hands of Mark stoops, noted for his work in revamping Arizona defense, as well as coaching Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, among others. With recruiting, it is on the right track, Fisher and his team are focusing on kids who will get it done on and off the field.I think an end is coming to the times of FSU recruits who do not qualify and/or arrested. Fisher wants to win with process, by bringing in a hard working kids, with high character. FIsher is the perfect man to replace the greatest coach ever in college football(IMHO) for the Seminoles. I have a great deal of respect for the way Coach Fisher handles himself with the team, student body, and recruiting. Coach Fisher will have the Seminoles once again in contention for championships, winning with character. Fear the spear.

jimmy johnson

March 31st, 2010
7:48 pm

Florida State was the place to be in the late 80’s and 90’s? While this was the “place to be”, a few hundred miles down the road somebody was winning 3 national titles in that time period. That would be Miami Tony, the team you love to hate. It would be refreshing if you would take off the garnet and gold glasses and hide your enthusiasm and love for fsu. What has Jimbo done? Nothing, he hasn’t even coached a game yet.


March 31st, 2010
8:06 pm

And what has Miami done lately Jimmy Johnson? Randy Shannon is gone soon if he doesn’t step it up down south. Miami hasn’t been a contender in a while either! This article is such a teaser I’m ready for some football.I think all it serves is to purport that the transition is going well in Tallanasty.


March 31st, 2010
8:32 pm

Get those last shots in while you can gators. Your time is short.
Fisher Solidifies FSU Coaching Staff As The Gator Nation Crumbles!

The Dogfighter Returns

March 31st, 2010
8:56 pm

the criminoles have lost the battle of recruiting gangbangers to florida.

florida and urban meyer weener have cornered the market on gangbangers.

you can’t win ncs w/o some mean s.o.b.s on your team. a bunch of choir boys ain’t gonna get it done.


March 31st, 2010
10:02 pm

So many people that want to keep FSU down on here. Why would you predict failure when he has accomplished so much in such a short amount of time, a lot more than Urban had done at this point when he went to UF or Brian Kelly has done at ND.


March 31st, 2010
10:40 pm

Why are there so many haters on this site? To think that the Noles aren’t headed in the right direction sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of our rivals.

GT Fan ...

March 31st, 2010
10:45 pm

Let’s see ……. I’ll bet you a shiny quarter that ole Tone & the rest of the college football “experts” pick FSU to win the Atlantic, and VaTech to win the coastal for like the 7th year in a row.

Gonna be BC & Duke people … BC & Duke.

FSU and UF Grad

March 31st, 2010
11:53 pm

The one important statistic on FSU’s 2010 recruiting class and the 2011 verbal commitments is these kids will qualify academically and actually enroll in school. The problem with FSU’s recruiting classes over the last few years is even though they were ranked high on signing day they could not contribute because they never made it on campus. I’d rather have a 2 or 3 star athlete that is smart, coachable, and has heart and desire than a 5-star that never made it on the field. I look forward to the day that UF, FSU, Miami, USF and even UCF are all ranked in the top 10 or 20 every year. I miss being able to say “the MNC goes through Florida”. Good luck to all schools and conferences in the south. To the players from these schools – you have an opportunity that most do not, get a good education and graduate. That is the most important part of college.

Bobby Bowden's drool cup holder

April 1st, 2010
1:07 am

Dadgummit, we’ll get those kids into school. They are just one on-line music course and a crooked tutor away from qualifying.


April 1st, 2010
1:08 am

FSU will never repeat their success of the 80’s and 90’s. A good year here and there… but multiple ACC titles in a decade – ain’t gonna happen.

The old joke applies…
How do you get an FSU grad off of your porch?
Pay him for the pizza.


April 1st, 2010
7:06 am

FSU fans have reason to be excited. Their program finally has a new lease on life. Recruiting is going well and things are looking up. BUT, please stop living in the 90’s!


April 1st, 2010
7:40 am

Some of these comments are pretty funny, especially the ones from people who dissed FSU. I bet the same people who diss FSU in this article are the same ones talking about how great FSU is in the next year.


April 1st, 2010
7:49 am

yeah poopdawg I really don’t think you are watching, at LSU Fisher coached the only 3,000 yards passers that school has ever seen, yes those teams could run the ball but they had balance something Coach Fisher stresses all they time. Remember that he turned the god-awful can’t even play for the raiders Jamarcus Russel into the #1 overall pick! The assistant offensive coaches have said Fisher hasn’t even opened his playbook yet so there is plenty more to come.

To all those “Bowden got thrown out” people I’m so sure that you would be happy and patient watching your team lose 22 games over 4 years even it is obvious he isn’t aware of what happened in the games.


April 1st, 2010
7:52 am

How did uf pick that color orange?

You can wear it to the game on Saturday
You can wear it to hunt on Sunday
You can wear it all week long while you pick up trash on the side of the road


April 1st, 2010
8:29 am

Thank God we don’t have to play them every year…..I think 1995ish (i.e. certainly not ‘98, but close) FSU’s back in 2011. Then again, that’s the second year we’ll have a good defense, so maybe 1952 GT’s back in 2011 too!


April 1st, 2010
9:52 am

These fans that say FSU will never be a factor must not follow college football. Football teams rise and fall in cycles. UF is good now but they will fall at some time. Bama was mediocre a few years ago and now they are at the top. It is the way of college football. The Noles will be good again someday in the future, there is just too much talent in Florida not to be.


April 1st, 2010
10:29 am

SEC is grossly overrated.


April 1st, 2010
10:45 am

What is all this rose-colored-glasses optimism BASED on regarding the Nils. I mean the vast majority of their 7-6 team from last year is BACK. Again, that was a 7-6 team. Are y’all trying to tell me that a good-to-great class of brand-new freshmen are somehow going to swing the pendullum that far? How likely is that? It is, additionally, an UNTESTED coaching staff that may (or may not) look good on paper, and energetic on the practice field. But NONE of them have won a game yet, and half of them are LOSERS at each and every scrimmage. Yak, yak, yak, and on, and on, and on all you want. But this 10-2 business is hardly predictable. And predicting is my business.



April 1st, 2010
11:04 am

alabama fans pull for alabama.
florida fans pull for florida.
lsu fans pulls for lsu.
then the bottom feeders claim ‘SEC’ and talk like winners b/c of those teams success.

relative to football if you are auburn, georgia, scjr., tennessee, arky, kensucky, ole piss, piss state, or vandy you recognize your own products as inferior and get off claiming the success of others. and minus vandy and uga those schools are all atrocious academically. FSU, as well as the other 11 ACC instutions all maintain Tier 1 status. Half the SEC is found in Tier 3! So who is pumping out drive-thru degrees?

THEN on top of it, most of those schools are twice as old w/ twice as much booster support as FSU, yet dont have half of the success!

And you dang right, Florida State will always be a top notch girls school ;)

Haters gonna hate.


April 1st, 2010
11:10 am

I’m guessing from you name, kiffenisatosser, that you’re a Vol fan. So it really makes me laugh when you talk about thugs and felons on FSU when it seems when I wake up here in Knoxville, I reading about yet another Vol with a gun charge or robbing people and trying to flee in a prius…Worry about your own crappy program at UT oh and talk about inspiration to his players and fans…. D. Dooley!!! Hahahaha.. you have got to be kidding me.


April 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Its absolutely mazing to read the comments that come from ignorant GATORS. This article was about FSU and how the transition from Bowden to Fisher is going. GATORS act like Democrats…always whining and slamming others for there own shortcomings. It might take us a couple of years to come back but the GATOR’s days of dominance in Florida are numbered. GO NOLES.


April 1st, 2010
12:00 pm

What was UF doing anytime prior to 1996? 3 national championships in 103 years…. ironic huh? The Seminoles played in five national championship games between 1993 and 2001. Florida State beat the Gaytors in : 1987 1988 1989 1990 1992 1993 1995* 1996 1998 1999 2000 2002 2003

The day UF has more than 3 or 4 straight years of success then talk. Urbie is already having a mental melt down. USC has dominated this decade. FSU dominated the 90’s with Nebraska a close 2nd. Miami dominated the 80’s. Alabama dominated the 60’s. Notre Dame and Oklahoma dominated the late 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s. When UF can manage to actually consistently dominate an era then please let me know.

PS…The SEC is Overrated. The dirty secret to the SEC’s “success” is this formula: Schedule absurdly easy teams in your non-conference games, and make sure you play them at home. Never travel. Run up the score and stats on these cupcakes to “prove” your invincibility. Fool the sportswriters who are easily dazzled by 83-3 wins over Southwest Georgia Junior Teachers Academy For The Deaf and will vote you to the top of the polls. Then play the rest of your season with the knowledge that the SEC refs will go out of their way to protect the BCS bound teams and the millions it will bring to the conference.

Since SEC expansion in 1992:
Florida is 17-0 against Ky., 17-0 against Vandy, and 16-1 against SC.
Tennessee is 17-0 against Ky., 16-1 against Vandy, and 14-3 against SC
Georgia is 15-2 against Vandy, 15-2 against Ky., and 12-5 against SC.

That makes the top 3 SEC East teams 139-14 against the bottom 3.

Yea, good thing you can’t pencil any IC victories in for SEC teams. The last 17 seasons, Florida is 50-1, Tenn. is 47-4, and Georgia is 42-9 against 3 SEC East teams they play EVERY year, and you get on here and say SEC teams can’t pencil in any victories? Hilarious.

For some reason, SEC teams don’t get penalized for 1) playing non-conferences schedules full of I-AA and Sun Belt opponents; 2) rarely playing road non-conference games. Florida hasn’t played a non-conference game out of the state since 1991, a 31-7 loss at Syracuse.

Look at UF arrest record…….UF leading the country in arrests under Meyer’s tenure. 27 and counting. > 5.4 per year.UF announcer Babik facing child pornography charges praise the Lord, UF is the place to be?? You guys beat FSU 6 straight years congrats and Bowden only dropped to 17-18-1 against Florida. Hilarious!

James Reynolds

April 1st, 2010
12:10 pm

I am a die hard seminole fan and I have followed them through thick and thin. I can’t understand why the gator fans are so snub nosed, by making the comments they make, but consider the sorce. I think the gators have a good program, but so does FSU. True we have had a few bad years but I remember when the gators had tough times too.I really think Jimbo Fisher will build back the pride we had once. I refuse to downrate the Gators because they have done a good job.I have said enough but Urban and his boys better come to Tallahassee ready.


April 1st, 2010
12:24 pm

Some of the smackers on here slammin FSU need to drift over to warchant to the free smack board, those dudes over there would love to sling some smack with you, and they are pretty good at that game. They have it down to an art form, I love to read it for some great laughs. They mix it up with all comers on. Kiffinisatosser has got to be a gator as he/she knows all the gate smack.
No guarantees for next year but what Tony wrote for those who know, equals FSU is assuredly coming to the big dance sooner than most think.

The Chief

April 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

Oh Steve, you make it just so easy…

“He would have been just another coach in the SEC. Look at all his SEC losses in that same time frame.”

All 4 of his losses? Two were in National Championship games– against teams that were unbeaten in the SEC. One was against an SEC champion that he beat about a month earlier.

From 1992-2000 Bowden played against either the SEC #1 or #2 team every season except 1997. He beat the SEC #1 or #2 in 6 out of 8 seasons during that time period: ‘92, ‘93, ‘94, ‘96, ‘99, and 2000. He beat the SEC champion in 4 of those seasons.

From 1992-2000 Bowden played in 5 national championship games, and won two national championships.

In my opinion the best coach/team in the SEC from 1992-2000 was Spurrier/UF. Bowden had a winning record against them during that time period too.

Feel free to point out all of the SEC coaches who accomplished the same things in that time period.

“Bobby Bowden has a losing record to every CANE coach with a NC.”

Steve, I’ll credit you with that if you can name a coach who played Miami every year from 1979-2001 (or even just most of those years), who also has a winning record against those coaches. Or if you can find a coach with more wins against Miami during Miami’s best years. Didn’t he lose 5 or 6 games to UM on the last play of the game?


April 1st, 2010
2:29 pm


Truth is that FSU, during the dynasty run of 1987-2000, beat more end ranked teams than any other program, had one of the toughest yearly schedules (you play a SCHEDULE not a conference), beat the SEC Champs in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1993, 1994, 1996, 2000…


April 1st, 2010
4:51 pm

Bowden was great!!! For a while. He would play anybody, anytime and anywhere. That is one thing I will always give FSU credit for and be pissed at Foley for. I don’t blame him for not joining the SEC. They didn’t need to. I lived in Tally (not for school-went to UF) for 4 years in mid 90’s so I really , really hated FSU then. Plus after my years at UF in the 80’s I was mostly used to whooping up on FSU but now we usually got whooped. So at 7am one Sunday, at a grocery store after an FSU/Miami loss there was Bowden grabbing some canned coffee after taping his TV show on the way home. It was just me and the security guard and him in the store. I wanted so bad to taunt the guy and just say “go Canes” or “Go Gators” but I’m not a dick like most of the Georgia fans on this board so I didn’t commit the classless act that came to mind. All that being said he stayed on about 5 years too long and really handled the Jeff Bowden fiasco poorly.


April 1st, 2010
10:55 pm

Nice to see all the Gators and other SEC fans out with their long knives. I want you all to go ahead and run your mouths all you want to. FSU will be fine under Fisher thank you. And the rest of you will have your shot at a piece of us down the road I am sure. And Florida’s domination over the Noles will be over in short order. Write it down.


April 1st, 2010
11:05 pm

Unfortunately, I live in Big 10 country. I am a Nole fan and graduate through and through. One of my newest business associates is a former walk on Gator QB (played for Spurrier). When we first met he was concerned that we wouldn’t “get along.” I explained to him that after 20 years of hearing nothing but the glorification of Big 10 football and the denunciation of “Southern football” (as Big 10 fans put it), he would soon join me in supporting any SEC or ACC team. After one year, we are now very proud to proclaim to “Big 10″ lovers that while we take our in-state rivalry very seriously, any team made up of Noles and Gators could totally devistate OSU, MSU, U of M, etc., etc.


April 7th, 2010
6:39 pm

Too bad Bobby pulled the plug a year early since the Noles play my Sooners this season. Would liked to have seen the Sooners give him another loss to add to his 0-3 mark against OU in the Orange Bowl.

As for the “conference fans”, I feel sorry for you that your team is so bad that you irrationally cheer for and take credit for the accomplishments of your rivals. Bizarre.


April 12th, 2010
3:43 pm

Ghaters will be haters. Thank Coach Bowden for that. How about giving the FSU football program the recognition it deserves. If it wasn’t for FSU, you might be the doormat of the SEC. Under Coach Bowdens guidance, he not only tranformed college football at FSU, he transformed football nationwide. And who benefitted more than anyone else? The Ghaters. Reason, you were able to sign a number of recruits who did not meet the standards set by the FSU football program. That was the norm of Ghater recruiting. Remember the eras of Pell,Hall, and Zook. It might take you awhile since you have selective memory. Nothing really happened for your program during that time. Yeah, you brought in a few good players who were high recruits by FSU, not highly recruited by FSU. By doing so, your program began to take on an identity. The way I see it, you should feel honored to be mentioned in the same sentence with FSU. We all have to pay sometime so why not pay FSU the respect they earned and deserve. But if you don’t see fit to do so, it will not be held against you. Just remember ” what goes around comes around”. You’ve gotten the best of us over the past # of years and that’s understandable. Better recruits and coaching staff will see to that. You can also throw in fans as well. Now that the turmoil, academic infractions and Coach Bobby Legend Bowden are behind us. We will continue to move in the right direction that Coach Bowden pointed us in. And that’s returning FSU to the dominance that most programs feared. I don’t know of any programs that feared the Ghaters. Yet, I might have selective memory. Coach Bowden I love you to death. Thanks for all the great memories, wise remarks, young men who are productive to society, etc..etc…etc… There will never be another like you. Paterno this is one time you will finish 2nd to Coach. FSU fans nothing to worry about. Ghater fans you have lots to worry about. Jimbo will put a product on the field that most NFL teams will fear. So Ghaters, bask in the sun while you can. Toughen up your hide. Me being a die-hard Seminole fan, I have great pleasure letting you know “Kicking your a$$ repeatedly will come sooner than you think”.

Nole 4 Life

April 16th, 2010
8:40 am

Wow! There are a lot of haters out there. Fact of the matter is Bobby raised FSU to heights that may never be seen again by FSU or anyone. No Division 1 school has ever gone wire-to-wire #1 before or since Bobby did it. Dislike Bobby or love him as we True Noles do, everyone would like to have had him at their school. Will FSU be great again in football? I don’t know but I will always be a Seminole win or lose, I’m an Alum and my school will never be judged solely on the success of our football program in my book. If you didn’t attend FSU you have no idea what I’m talking about. Go Noles!