Survey says most fans want a playoff. So?


Nobody asked me but:


This just in: A new poll says that 63 percent of college football fans want to scrap the BCS system and institute a playoff system like college basketball.

Well, duh!!!!!!!

This same polling group found that 95 percent of the people surveyed believe that the sun rises in the East. Okay, I made that up.

I’m not trying to be a smart aleck here but what exactly is the purpose of such a survey? So 63 percent of the 1,849 people surveyed by Quinnipiac University want to have some kind of college football playoff. They are not asked how to accomplish it, who gets to play in it, where the games will be played and when the games are played. They just know that they want it.

I don’t understand the point of such a survey. If 63 percent of the people want something, does that mean it is supposed to happen? What are we supposed to do with that information?

I imagine 100 percent of those same people surveyed would like to buy a Cadillac for $10,000. But I don’t think General Motors is going to start selling them for that.

Here is my point. I want a four-team playoff. The teams should be seeded with 1 playing 4 and 2 playing 3 on New Year’s Day at two of the BCS bowls. A week later the two winners will play for the national championship.

Let’s do a survey on that proposal or give people several playoff options and choose the one they like. That would make some sense.

I just don’t like mindless surveys that don’t advance the ball.


Mike Leach is done at Texas Tech: It didn’t take Mike Leach’s lawyer long to start calling Craig James a helicopter (hovering) dad and James’s son, Adam, a disgruntled kid in need of some discipline. Both of those things may turn out to be true. But in this case those claims are also irrelevant.

If the facts of this case are not in dispute, and it doesn’t appear that they are, Adam James was isolated in a dark room after suffering a concussion. Leach’s side came up with a doctor’s letter saying the kid was not harmed by the action. Again, it’s irrelevant. You don’t have to be harmed to have been treated improperly.

There is no rationalization from Leach’s side that will save him. Leach was asked to meet with the parents, explain his actions, and apologize. He refused, leaving the university wide open to litigation.

Work rule No. 1: When the boss asks you to apologize for the good of the company or the good of the institution, you apologize. If not, expect to be cut loose.

There will be a hearing today in Lubbock. Leach wants a judge to reinstate him to coach the Alamo Bowl on Saturday. In my opinion, if the judge grants Leach’s request, Texas Tech will fire him on the spot with a generous severance package. Either way, Leach is done at Texas Tech.


It was a bad loss for Miami: How many times have you seen a team take the opening possession for a touchdown and then lose the game? Miami basically did that last night in the Champs Sports Bowl. The Hurricanes ran the kickoff back for a touchdown and were called for a dumb block in the back penalty near the 10-yard line. The Hurricanes scored anyway. But then Wisconsin, who thought the weather was downright balmy in Orlando while the Hurricanes were shivering near the sideline heaters, just started grinding and took a 17-7 lead at halftime on the way to a 20-14 win.

This was a bad loss for Miami. It would have meant a lot for the Hurricanes to get to 10 wins in Randy Shannon’s third year as coach. QB Jacory Harris had a bad wheel and it clearly affected his play.

It was also a bad loss for the ACC, which is now 1-3 in bowl games.


There is no doubt. Eric Berry will turn pro: Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin has been saying for weeks, really for the entire season, that safety Eric Berry is going to turn pro after Thursday’s Chick-fil-A Bowl. The fact is that Berry, from Fairburn, is ready for the league and is going to be a great pro. He has nothing left to prove at this level and given his various injuries, it is time to move on.

And don’t forget this:  Having a Tennessee player stand up with Commissioner Roger Goodell on the first day of the NFL Draft never hurts recruiting.


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And Tony "I am the new Furman Bisher" Barnhart...

December 30th, 2009
9:33 am

…continues to spout the obvious, and get paid for it!

Atlanta Gator

December 30th, 2009
9:35 am

Comments in response to Tony—-

1. Yup. No kidding. College football fans need to be careful what they wish for. If the BCS were expanded/replaced with a four-team playoff or better yet, a post-bowl game playoff that used the four BCS bowls as quarterfinals (a de facto 8-team playoff), the other 115 or 111 Division I teams would be left with pretty much meaningless seasons. The ability to expand to 16 or 32-team playoffs would expand the season deep into January and would also begin to destroy the meaning of the regular season. Something to think about.

2. What a mess Leach is in. How does this guy go from being one of the hot tickets in college football at the end of 2008 to a probable pariah in 2009. Wow.

3. Bad loss for Miami and the ACC. The conference desperately needs FSU and Miami to step up and return to prominence. A bowl win over Wisconsin could have been the next step for Miami, but things are rarely as bad they seem. It was not a blow-out loss. Stay tuned for 2010.

4. Yup. No Kidding, Part II. Berry is ready.


December 30th, 2009
9:36 am

Less than half of Americans wanted health care reform and that was rammed down our throat.

Manute Bol

December 30th, 2009
9:36 am

Let’s quit writing/talking about a playoff till we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It’s a mess with all the TV contracts, the true fear of screwing up the regular season and messing with the bowl games.

Jacory Harris looked like Manute Bol last night. The kid has got to add some muscle and poundage or he will disappear some night under a pile.

I hope Leach gets to coach this weekend and then get’s canned. Can’t wait to see the Leach/James circus on ESPN (not).


December 30th, 2009
9:38 am

Totally agree with you on Leach. Arrogance sometimes comes with a price. If my son had been treated that way, I would be backing up my lawyer’s truck to the university pay window. Some of these coaches do not seem to realize that the “good old days” are long gone. And that is a good thing. Good writing Tony.


December 30th, 2009
9:39 am

So the fans want a playoff? So the NCAA & the Presidents do not care what the fans want?

Is there anything new in those two questions. If the fans want a playoff, it’s simple, stop buying tickets to the bowl games. There will be a playoff the following year.


December 30th, 2009
9:42 am

I am a Tech fan & I can say that the ACC has a problem when it comes to bowl games. The problem is that they do not win the bowl games. And until the ACC teams start winning their bowl games they will just have to live with the image of piss-poor football. That is just the way it is.

Pago Flyer

December 30th, 2009
9:43 am

So a play off system would take until late Jan., early Feb.!!!


December 30th, 2009
9:43 am

4-team playoff would have meant an undefeated team left out this year – it’s not enough. 16 teams, all conference champs get in, plus a couple of at-larges. The FCS seems to have no problem pulling it off.

Mike Leach is done at TT.

From an ACC fan, UNC and BC were heavily over-matched, Clemson did OK, Miami’s an embarrassment. The ACC very well may not win another game this year – sad.

Eric Berry’s been a man among boys since his soph year in high school – congrats to him and his family.


December 30th, 2009
9:44 am

I lean toward a playoff, but tb’s point, how to do it is the question. 4 teams, 8 teams? Any way you do it, there will always be controversy and angry fans, “Why is my team ranked 5th, when we beat so and so, who beat so and so, etc. that beat number 4.” The pro-playoff people think that a playoff is the ultimate answer, it probably isn’t, let’s just leave it the way it is and enjoy the contoversy the way it is now, we’re all so good at it.
Although it does seem like every team is in a Bowl game, there are so many, I have watched more Bowl games this year, there have been some great matchups, I’ve been very entertained.


December 30th, 2009
9:47 am

You can keep the old bowl structure and have an 8 team playoff. You take the final 8 ranked teams and seed them 1-8. The higher seeds play their games at home. These games take place 2 weeks after the reg season ends or the sat before christmas. Then you have 4 teams left. These two games take place in rotating bowl locations. And then the nat champ game also takes place at a rotating bowl ie the orange, sugar, fiesta, rose. One major bowl each year gets to choose 2 teams who don’t make the 8 team playoff. The semifinal games would take place around new years sandwiched in between other bowl games(maybe on jan 1st) and then the final would take place a week or two later. This system would kick ass.


December 30th, 2009
9:47 am

I remember after the opening game between Florida State and Miami, which was less ugly than normal over the last several years, that most people were saying they were back. My reaction was that there was no way to tell since they’d played each other. Now their combined records are 15-11. Looks like they’re not back.

Leach is a pudgy bully. One of these days a Leach or Mangino (morbidly obese, can’t walk 10 steps without panting but demands discipline from his players) or Leavitt will push a kid too far and get his rear end whipped in front of his team. It can’t happen soon enough as far as I’m concerned.


December 30th, 2009
9:48 am

Eric Berry is a class act and has NEVER been a quitter, even during the darkest days of Fulmer’s tenure. I hate to see him go pro but wish him the very best in his football career and in his life outside football. Also, congrats to UGA on their win. You all looked impressive.


December 30th, 2009
9:48 am

Playoffs – Depending on how you set it up could be good or bad. I prefer a tournament of top 8 ranked conference champions. That way no conference is always included or excluded.

First round could occur Saturday after Christmas, 2nd round Saturday after new years, championship game Saturday after that. Very similar timeframe to what we have now.

All other bowls could still remain and retain traditional conference affiliations. It would make just as much sense as it does today. Bowls are for fun and pride today, it would be the same with or without a playoff. If you’re not in the BCS title game today and go to a bowl, it would be the same with the playoff.

Quite frankly bowls today are just another game on the schedule to a fan, even vaunted BCS non-championship bowls. Has anyone noticed the great indifference shown by Tech fans to their Orange bowl matchup? Think Florida fans are all that interested in playing Cincinati?

It’s a couple of days until the main bowl games and the predominate media coverage is Urban Meyer’s situation, Mike Leeches situation, etc. The bowl games themselves have long since ceased being something special and become just another game for major teams.

A playoff of champions doesn’t diminish the regular season. You have to win the conference to qualify. No wildcards! Obviously playing for the #1 seeding would be important as well to get the easiest road to the title.

An 8 team playoff doesn’t end the bowl dreams of small schools. It actually gives them a chance to get that 7th or 8th spot which will give them a ton more exposure. Right now it would be Texas Tech and Boise State, but some years it could be a Central Michigan or Troy State or Central Florida.

Mr. Obama

December 30th, 2009
9:50 am

Gentlemen, I know you all talk football on here….but I want you to take some over the next few days and go to this link…. Yup…all you gun owners are going to be pi$$ed about this one. I don’t own a gun… we’re just going to wipe out the 2nd amendment. We don’t need a vote…….I’ll just make an Executive Order. Now go on and talk about football…because I’ve got this country in the palm of my hand.


December 30th, 2009
9:51 am

If the fans want a playoff, it’s simple, stop buying tickets to the bowl games.”

That is happening pretty obviously. Schools like UGA sell out regular season games via season tickets. Then we go to a meaningless bowlgame and sell less than 7k tickets.

Tech fans haven’t bought all of their tickets to a BCS bowl.

A ton of bowl tickets are bought by general sports fans in the city that’s hosting the game, which greatly skews the perception of the popularity of the system.


December 30th, 2009
9:53 am

Pago Flyer has a good point. The pros seem like they take forever. We have to remember that except for a few kids who really will go pro, the rest are in school, they do play amateur sports. Otherwise, schools would have Fball, Bball, baseball, etc. degrees, and it would be semi-pro.

VR Jacket

December 30th, 2009
9:54 am

Of course everyone wants a playoff, and so do I.
I do not like the idea of using bowl games as semi-finals.I don’t think fans will travel 2 or 3 times on short notice.
The semi-finals should take place at the home of the higher seeds until narrowed down to 2. The losers of the semi-finals would still go to a bcs bowls(just like they do now).
Last 2 standing will play in NC.


December 30th, 2009
9:56 am

I think Leach will be fired as well, but I don’t like how this is being portrayed. I have read reports that like almost all colleges that if a player can’t practice that he still must come to practice and do something. When James showed up the day after the concussion Leach told the trainers to let him jog the track and the trainers said he can’t be in sunlight. They also said he showed up to practice wearing sunglasses something that I think rubbed Leach the wrong way. When Leach asked the trainer what can James do the trainer said he needs to be somewhere dark and Leach replied something like “well stick him over there and watch him.” While I am not defending his actions and I don’t think he mistreated that player anymore or less than goes on in some fashion everyday in college football at that level. I am a high school coach and I have seen kids forced to run to they puke, is that any different? Word from around campus was that James was lazy at practice and showed up that day after he got hurt with the attitude like “haha I don’t have to do anything at practice today” and I think Leach was trying to get his attention. Unlike Mangino several of Leach’s former players have come to his defense claiming that he always treated them fairly and this James kid is the only one saying otherwise. Also one more point if this wasn’t Craig James’s son would this even be a story?


December 30th, 2009
9:58 am

I want a survey to explain how the loyal fans and parents of players will be able to afford to travel to all of these proposed playoff games on a week’s notice. Oh, I forgot, a playoff would be totally for corporate sponsors and TV. Is Randy Shannon not the most overrated coach in college football?


December 30th, 2009
9:58 am

For those who say it would ruin the reg season, i say huh? Uga would have knocked gt out of the playoffs had their been an 8 team playoff. Same with cincy and pitt. And auburn nearly would have knocked bama from a 1 seed to a 4-8 thus losing home field. If anything, this makes these games even more relevant.

And tcu likely being a 4 seed and boise a 5 would have played each other first round, just like they are in their bowl.

Tide Rising

December 30th, 2009
9:59 am

A plus one or a 4 game playoff would be good to start off with even though I think it hurts the sec most since currently the sec champion is a virtual shoo in for the big game judging by recent history. All things being equal an sec team gets a title game bid if they win the sec. I think if we could then expand a 4 game playoff to an 8 game or just go straight to an 8 game playoff it would be perfect. But 16 is crazy and will never happen. And if you can’t make the cutoff at the 8 seed then you don’t have much credibility anyway in saying you legitimately should have had a shot at a national title. 6 bcs conference champions plus 2 at large would be perfect. But for this year of course I’m very happy with the bcs. Imagine that.


December 30th, 2009
10:04 am

2 weeks notice isn’t enough? And come on. That is a lame excuse. Nfl fans sure don’t have any problems doing it.

And the way I proposed it, if your team wins, you would know where they are playing by it being in a predetermined location for the semifinals. So say this year tcu plays boise and knows if it wins, it will play the winner of bama and whoever. Lets assume it is the Sugars year to host the 1/8 4/5 winners, so you make reservations well in advanced IN CASE your team wins the game and goes. How is this complicated? Heck ucla didn’t know it would be playing yesterday until 2 weeks ago when army lost to navy.

Dave R

December 30th, 2009
10:05 am

Why do sportswriters insist that setting up college football playoffs for I-A/FBS is some sort of insanely difficult problem? It’s not. You could set up FBS playoffs along fairly similar lines to the FCS playoffs next year without much work (i.e. 16 teams, all conference champs + 5 at large get in, play all games at home field of higher seed, start the week after the championship games).

Setting up playoffs that keep the bowls happy and/or keep the BCS autobid conferences controlling 90% of the postseason money is what’s difficult.


December 30th, 2009
10:05 am

Tony…you have finally done it. You have proven that you are a FOOL and a TOOL.

We had 5 UNDEFEATED: teams this year. How would a 4 team playoff solve that??

You are just an industry HACK…that is all you are.

We need a 16 team playoff. It would be the greatest sporting event in history. It would eliminate some of these meaningless bowl games and make them ALL important.

Villanova won a TRUE national championship in Division 1AA.

All alabammmer and texas are playing for is a bullshiiiite mythical championship that means NOTHING.

So Tony, quit trying to defend the indefensible. We need a 16 team playoff and we need it NOW.


December 30th, 2009
10:07 am

Or 6 teams. 1 & 2 get a bye. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. 1 plays winner of 3/6 and 2 plays winner of 4/5. Unlikely that there would be more than 6 undefeated teams. If so then go to the 8 team format with no bye. Still takes three weeks. Week two and three are post bowl week games.


December 30th, 2009
10:09 am

Week two would be played at the #1 & 2 home field so they have two weeks to sell tickets and prepare for the game.

Ted Striker

December 30th, 2009
10:10 am

Tony —

You’re a talented writer and I appreciate most of what you contribute. However there are times when you come across as a little pompous, which is a real detractor from your fine journalistic talents. For example:

The Quinnipiac University survey you criticized offers proof positive — based on quantitative analysis — that the majority of college football fans are disgruntled with the status quo. You infer the survey is “pointless.”

Really? How pointless is a scientific endeavor based on demographic data that measures the pulse of fans who pay money, attends games, view games, and contributes to the coffers of collegiate athletics? Do you really think their opinions don’t matter and that if the collective majority of the group gets in sync, won’t effect a change?

Furthermore — if you actually read the study (maybe you did, maybe you didn’t) you’d admit that it yielded far more information than you gave it credit for in your column. Bad form on this one, Tony. Maybe you had a bad morning and maybe it struck you the wrong way, but you were just wrong on this one.

That said…you nailed it on Mike Leach and Eric Berry. Leach is a talented guy. However he made a series of mistakes that could easily cost him his job and he hasn’t done what he should have since the information became public. Eric Berry is a talent and has nothing left to prove on the college level. He’ll be an asset to any NFL club blessed to have him.

Happy New Year, Tony.


December 30th, 2009
10:11 am

Week three would be the planned championship game played like this years extra rose bowl game.


December 30th, 2009
10:11 am

A Plus One model would be easy to implement. Bama vs TCU in the Orange/Sugar/Fiesta plays in the Rose the winner of Texas vs Cincy who would play in either the Orange, Sugar or Fiesta. The 4 bowls would be rotated each year. Whoever doesn’t get a semifinal or NC game would take the 5th ranked team and have their choice of taking whoever else is ranked in the top 12. The remaining bowls would stay intact. This would not extend the season but the Presidents won’t go for it right now.

I’m sure there is more to the story but it is pretty obvious Leach screwed up. Craig James has credibility unlike another father’s player that is an unknown. Because of who James is the story grew legs. This is Leach’s own fault as he comes across as arrogant. He’ll be out of football for a while but someone will hire him down the road.

Miami was in Herbstreit’s top 5 early in the season and they have really fallen after a strong start. The ACC is not looking very good and their only bowl win was a fairly close one by Clemson, the conference runnerup, over one of the lower ranked SEC schools.

Berry is one of those 5 star recruits that actually turned out to be great in college. He’s had a stellar career and I know the Vol fans are sad to see him leave.

Geaux Tigers


December 30th, 2009
10:12 am

Of course there needs to be a playoff…

Now we can have a heated debate about Leach. I think the Leach thing is a non-story if is father wasn’t Craig James. Putting him in a closet, garage, room, etc… do we know all of the details behind this supposed terrible room he was placed in? Do we know exactly what happened leading up to the event? Why are no other TT players bashing Leach? As another said what is so horrible about this, I am certain there are much more demanding real physical activities taking place everyday around the country. If he had a concussion and migraines from it I would think a dark room would have been a nice place to be. I know when I get a migraine during the daytime I wish I could lock myself in a tiny closet until it passes. Sounds to be like a spoiled kid who needed daddy while he was away from home. And to say this embarrassed him in front of his teammates like I have heard. Get real, people are singled out of football practice all the time and made to run, up down, disciplined, etc…


December 30th, 2009
10:13 am

i heard that Division I-AA is frustrated with its current playoff system and are switching to a bowl format to generate some long needed excitement. having nothing to play for at the end of the year apparently is where it’s at.


December 30th, 2009
10:14 am

Yeah, and 63% of the American People didn’t want a new health care system……we do not live in a democratic society. Tony, you’re beating a dead horse…..our government is corrupt and so are the college/university presidents.


December 30th, 2009
10:15 am

Playoffs always produce an undisputed champion while preserving the regular season. Remember when the 10-6 Giants beat the 18-0 Patriots?


December 30th, 2009
10:15 am

More info on Leach comes out. It seems that the Craigs have exaggerated the circumstances a bit. Leach does not appear to be quite the bad guy the media has portrayed.

Remember Bill Curry? Goes 10-2 and gets fired because two former players didn’t like him.

stupid bill

December 30th, 2009
10:16 am

I propose an 8 team playoff. To have 8 teams would require a 3 tiered system (7 total games, add 2 more bowl games and keep the current ones). You keep the 4 current BCS games, then rotate the second round and champion between the 4 bowls. The first year you get a 1st round game and the national championship. the next you would host just a 1st round game. the next 2 years will host a 1st and 2nd round game.

to pick the 8 teams, you take the 6 automatic qualifing conference champs (and make a prevision that each has to have a full tie break system so that the final tei break is not highest bcs ranking as we saw a few years ago) with the requirement each has to be in the top 15 in the bcs standings (this one is something i like to keep the 3 or 4 loss teams out if needed), you then fill the remaining spots (usually 2) with the highest reamining bcs ranked teams (no selection committee, all done based on rankings), with the caveat that any undeafted team in the top 15 is automatically in too (will put boise and tcu in this year, but the top 15 prevents teams from playing nobodies and getting a free pass into the game). This year this system would leave Florida out, but since they lost what would essentially become a playin game (all conference championship would be and would get better rankings) they can’t complain.

Then you play the first round as such (rankings done by bcs standings): 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5

play 4 vs 5 on Thursday night at 8pm EST (play on the thursday of the week dec 15-21)

On friday night play 3 vs 6 or 2 vs 7 at 8pm EST (play on friday of the week dec 16-22)

Saturday play either 3 vs 6 or 2 vs 7 at 4 pm EST and 1 vs 8 at 730pm EST (play on saturday of the week dec 17-23)

This gives each team christmas off, and would be after most college exams. I then propose the second round to be played on Dec 31, Jan 1 which would give the teams somewhere between 8 days and 16 days to prepare (and take finals if they did miss them). Play both games in prime time (EST).

Then the national championship the Friday/Saturday night (Jan 8-13th).

This would keep the students from having to miss exams at most all colleges, and gives them time off to make them up between the 1st and 2nd round and gives them a small christmas break at least. Then they may have to miss the first week of classes of the new semester, but most schools dont have a lot going on then anyways, and they missed so much class the last semester the spring semester proffessors will learn to deal. So It wont affect academics anymore than the current system. The schools that play in the championships will actually make more money since they play more high profile games at the end of the season. The regular bowls will (I think) still draw the same viewership/attendance and wont lose any money. The viewership for an actual playoff will go sky high (especially for the final game I think)… and it gives every team a chance to win on a head to head basis. IT would crown a true national champion.

For the bcs rankings, I would try to take the harris poll, the usa today coaches poll, the ap poll, and the computer rankings and average those four out. This would prevent any one poll from being able to control the rankings too much.


December 30th, 2009
10:16 am

Let the Rose Bowl keep matching up Big 10 vs. Pac 10 teams since they are too difficult and stubborn to negotiate any changes (they will be relegated to using two teams not involved in the playoff). Use the remaining 4 bowls for an 8 team playoff. The best 8 teams (regardless of conference affilliation) matched up 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, and so on……….only three extra games. There will be sooooooo much more interest in these 4 BCS games AND then the next three “additional” games would be HUGE with almost all college football fans watching!!!

True National Championship team decided each year, more TV revenue, more interest and more $$$$ collected in the name of college football.

No Brainer!


December 30th, 2009
10:16 am

Ironically I like the ‘all champion’ playoff system recommended by ugaaccountant. A few problems with that or ‘challenges’ as we say in the Army:

1.) What about Notre Dame? They are independent and therefore not be a ‘champion’. Though I personally like the idea of forcing them into a conference but in all likelihood its not going to happen.

2.) Congradulations you have just elimiated the need for a ranking system whatsoever. Though there would be a few writers. (like the one in this blog) that might have a problem with that. And considering the BCS was created to have a “One poll to rule them all” when all that really needed to happen was REMOVE one….also not going to happen

3.) there are more than 8 conferences in Division ! football. So same argument as ND.

4.) This also does not go into the fact of how bowl games actually work. The committee selects the teams and it only does so based on contracts and not on football. See this years, Gator bowl and Sugar bowl as examples. If it were for the best football, Florida would play TCU and Cinnci would play Boise State. And it would be 1 v 2, 3 v 4. 5 v 6, 7 v 8, and 9 v 10. And we would finally have the freak’n answer to the question is TCU and Boise State good enough. but heaven forbid that we actually have something that cannot be debated by sports enthusiasts the nation over.


December 30th, 2009
10:17 am

Playoff would be fairly simple to implement in my opinion. Force each conf. to have a conf. championship game. All conference champions make it plus 4 at larges that would be determined by a committee not by polls. This would eliminate the upsets in the conf. championship games that would doom a previously unbeaten. You can keep the current bowl system in this model as well. Also there would only be a one week break following the championship games which should all be played on the same weekend.


December 30th, 2009
10:31 am

I’ve heard 4, 8, and 16 team playoffs, all simple answers. Well here’s another, 32 team playoff. It would take 31 games to decide the NC, which covers most of the current bowls. All cities with a bowl would benefit with sell-out crowds, more TV revenue, etc. If the Independence bowl was one of the playoff sites, Georgia would have sold their allotment and more, if they still had a chance at the NC, same with Texas A&M or any team. Also brings in the “Cinderella factor” which is popular in BBall’s Big Dance. The process would take 5 weeks, give a two week cushion after conference playoffs, which help with seeding, and you’re into just the middle of January, same as NFL. Simple. Downside, teams will run out of players, injuries, fatigue, a conference champion, having played 13 games already, will then have to win 5 more games to be NC, total 18, ouch.


December 30th, 2009
10:35 am

army jacket – These questions are resolvable
1) ND gets in a conference or misses out. They no longer have the clout to merit being their own conference as they currently are treated in the BCS. Or you could allow an undefeated independent team to get in if they are one of the top 8 in the rankings.
2/3) The only need for a ranking system is to determine which 8 conference champs get in. It would be based on the BCS type formula with the 8 highest ranking champions getting in. If the ACC or whoever sucks one year and finishes lower than the MAC champ, they deserve to be left out.
4) none of this will change until the current bcs contract runs out. All other contracts are already subordinate to the bcs. The new playoff system would legally be considered the “bcs playoffs” and would essentially just change the way the BCS deals with the teams it selects. All other bowls would be minimally affected from a contractual basis and it could be worked out fairly cleanly.


December 30th, 2009
10:36 am

Tony, as part of the Media you must understand that once a playoff system starts, even with only 4 teams, the media pressure to expand that field will be intense. The sports media, especially ESPN, which basically runs college football, have a huge financial interest in more and more games. Every year even with the 4 team format there is going to be some team left out and that will cause all sorts of screams to expand the field. And since most college football fans are like nodding donkeys when it comes to what they hear on ESPN, those screams turn to pressure. I know this is saying what has been said a million times before, but college football already has a playoff system and it is the regular season. There is no way you can implement a playoff system without degrading the value of the regular season. Look at College Basketball. 64 teams in the playoffs and there is still pressure to expand that. In the major conferences a lot games in Feb are little more than practice games ( and please don’t give “playing for seeding” stuff). If I remember correctly GT made the NCAAs one year with a 6-10 conference record. Is that the sort of thing we want for College Football. Do we really want teams that were 8-4 in the Reg season playing for the national title.


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December 30th, 2009
10:39 am

Thanks for a great season,
…………………………………ACC CHAMPS


December 30th, 2009
10:39 am

Look out for Berry’s two younger brothers in a few years. They’re better than he is, and they’re in 8th grade. Fairburn Flames.


December 30th, 2009
10:43 am

1. I agree with Tony; survey doesn’t tell me anything I don’t already know …
2. i don’t know what game you watched, but Wisconsin d-line just manhandled Miami without having to blitz, and the vaunted speed that Miami supposedly possesses on defense against a slow BigTen offense didn’t seem so apparent. This game was pretty much decided when Miami had to resort to blitzing to stop the Wisconsin running game, which meant the play-action and bootleg passing game was open for Wisconsin. It doesn’t matter what level of football: if you can put pressure on the QB, you radically improve your chances of winning. Give Wisconsin credit for taking it to Miami.
3. i don’t know about this TTech thing, but ESPN had Craig James on to discuss the situation last night on SportsCenter and on the halftime show. Will Leach get equal time to discuss his side of the story?


December 30th, 2009
10:46 am

Atlanta Gator: “the other 115 or 111 Division I teams would be left with pretty much meaningless seasons. The ability to expand to 16 or 32-team playoffs would expand the season deep into January and would also begin to destroy the meaning of the regular season. Something to think about”.

WTF are you talking about, the season is already MEANINGLESS for all those teams!! Think about it, pretty much every season, any team that dosent start out the season in the top 10, or isnt named Oklohama, Florida, LSU, Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, USC and a few select others…. has NO shot! Even if they go undefeated 2 or 3 years in a Row! (Boise State!)
College football blows! Maybe your sport can join the big boy leagues one day!


December 30th, 2009
10:49 am

Every college sport in all divisions have a playoff, except the big boys in football.


December 30th, 2009
10:50 am

1: A 4 team playoff is not a large enough field. The bowls started on 12/19. Start the playoffs then. Stop this mindless bowl madness where any team with a 500 record gets in. Playoffs now.
2: I’m not sure Mike Leach did anything wrong other than not obey the school to apologize but sometimes you have to stand up for your principals. I hope Leach wins and Craig James gets fired. If Leach gets fired I hope Texas Tech hires Craig James to coach and they never win another game.


December 30th, 2009
10:51 am

No, you don’t do conf champions. That would be a joke. You do the top 8 teams like Tom said. A team not even ranked has no business making it to a playoff. Some of these conf champions are ranked 40th in the county. Just use the 4 major bowls and have an 8 team playoff. 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7 and so on. Those games take place two weeks after the conf championship games. Then 2 weeks later 4 teams are left. Those teams play in 2 of the 4 major bowls. Then the champ game is a rotated one with the 4 main bowls.


December 30th, 2009
10:52 am

For once m is correct in that a 4 team does not fix the problem, it will make it worse.

‘07 UGA would be left out of the top 4
‘08 Utah would be out in the cold.
‘09 5 teams would say they deserve

Pushing it out to 8 teams would take away from the regular season. Further to get 8 teams the BCS conf. would require their conf champ to be included puls 2 at large which would go to ND if qualified and the best of the MWC or WAC.

IMO keep it the way it is. The system gets it correct for more often than it doesn’t.

If you do go playoff take the top 6 using the current rankings formulas. The top 2 get a bye.

Under the 6 team system, teams will fight to be in the top and continue to schedule OOC games wanting the bye week.


December 30th, 2009
10:53 am

The undeniable truth is Football Playoff = less revenue = fewer athletic options for real student athletes.

If you’re still in denial, just watch how little revenue this year’s Fiesta bowl generates.


December 30th, 2009
10:54 am

8 TEAM FORMAT- so you need 7 bowls (Rose,Sugar,Orange and Fiesta host championship every 4 years. the other 3 years it has one quarterfinal and two semi-finals) The other 3 quarterfinals are selected on a rotational basis from the other bowls that meet attendance,financial and logistical criteria.

6 conference champions and 2 at large teams


December 30th, 2009
10:55 am

Eric, the BCS conf. have to agree to it and to do so they would require getting their slice of the money. It won’t happen if they don’t get in.


December 30th, 2009
11:00 am


6 conference champions and 2 at large teams is the nightamre scenario.

Under that system their is no incentive for UGA to go out to Okie St, Az St, etc, no incentive for Texas vs. Ohio St or USC. What few big OOC games we have go away.

Further it gets harder for the Fresno St, Boises, Utahs of the world to schedule BCS teams as their is no incentive.

NCAA will turn into the NFL where starters are pulled in late season games just as the Colts did in order to keep them healthy for the playoff. As a UGA fan if UGA had a trip to the SECCG locked up I would not want to see starters in against GT. A BCS title run is far more important.


December 30th, 2009
11:01 am

Tony, I agree with others: An Eight (8) team playoff is needed. BAD politics will STILL be too influential with only 4 teams. Use the bowl system for the first two rounds.

6 BCS conference champs, and two at-larges, with some added conditions based on BCS rankings.

Oh, … wait. That’s EXACTLY what jim just said! I agree with jim ….


December 30th, 2009
11:03 am

Think, Is also correct playoff = less money.

Do these MAC and Sun Conf. teams get a bowl around Christmas. Sure they are eligible but will the bowl be around? IMO it will not. How much do you hear about the NIT in basketball when the NCAA tournament ratings have been falling.


December 30th, 2009
11:06 am

College football, where ALL the little kids get a trophy at the end of the year. After all, you wouldnt wanna hurt the little players feelings by actually NOT rewarding a .500 team now would you!? Ask TCU, Boise State, and Cinn how “Meaningfull” the regular season was this year! It didnt mean SHT!!
How could a playoff system diminish the regular season, when the regular season is already pointless for 95% of the teams!??


December 30th, 2009
11:08 am


Under your system. CPJ pulls Nesbitt so he does not get hurt against UGA, if he even plays.

UGA wins by a few TDs against the GT walkons and JV squad.

Is that what you want?


December 30th, 2009
11:10 am

For all of you naysayers on the playoff system, ask yourself this question: How do they do it in the rest of all college football divisions? No problems at all. Just copy the other divisions. Case closed!


December 30th, 2009
11:11 am


Those bowls pointless? Ask the coach and AD who are cashing in those BCS bowl checks.


December 30th, 2009
11:15 am

Peemoan, Ask youself which NCAA sport pays for the others?

Ask yourself why have NCAA tourney ratings been falling over the past decade?

Ask yourself why the SEC and ND have inked such a big TV contracts?

Hey Tony...check this out

December 30th, 2009
11:16 am

Here’s the best playoff scenario….Have the SEC champ vs the ACC champ in the Sugar bowl. The Big 12 vs the Big East in the Orange bowl. The Pac 10 vs the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl and the 2 higheast ranked teams besides the champions of the big 6 conferences play in the Fiesta bowl as at-large teams. The winner of the Sugar plays the winner of the Orange, the winner of the Rose plays the winner of the Fiesta…The winner of those games plays for the Championship. What’s wrong with that scenario?


December 30th, 2009
11:21 am

4 teams is pointless. 10 team with BCS seeded 1 & 2 with byes. 3 & 4 play at home (seasons means something now) Seed 5 & 6 plays at neutral bowl site (in geographical area for higest seed) . After 1st round the next 4 games are at traditional bowl power sites (Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose) Semi is in highest seeds power site and final is in BCS rotation site as it is now. And why will this not work? It will and the bowls and schools will make loads more money which is all they care about anyway.


December 30th, 2009
11:26 am

Until a playoff is implemented college football’s postseason will remain a joke. Nobody cares about 98% of the bowl games anyways. A playoff would bring excitement, and legitimacy to the eventual champion.


December 30th, 2009
11:27 am


Ron Mexico

December 30th, 2009
11:33 am

All those with “simple” playoff solutions are only showing their simple-mindedness. It’s a little more complex than ol’ Huck and Tom saying “C’mon over ya’ll, have fun whitewarshin’ this here fence while we wrangle them details of that ol’ playoff problem.”

You can’t even get consensus on 4, 8, 16, 32, or 120 teams in the playoffs… but, hey, it’s SOOO simple…

Sam Houston

December 30th, 2009
11:39 am

Everyone complains that a play-off would be too many games for the major colleges to play, unlike the small colleges. Remember when everyone use to play 10 games? Whose idea was it to go to more games for our fragile big boys? I am sure it had nothing to do with bringing in more money, because this is an amateur sport. All of the decisions made considering a play-off has to do with MONEY. Having a true championship won on the field is never considered.

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December 30th, 2009
11:41 am

We need a playoff – NCAA DI football is the only sport without one. In addition, it is the only NCAA sport to never declare a national champion (AP, BCS, UPI, poll, declared but not a NCAA champion-ever). Not much would have to change. But you have to have 16 teams in the playoff to include all 11 conference champions and make it a true national championship (any team in DI finishing undefeated in this scenario is national champion). You could get all this done by January 1st if you desired.

1. 11 conference champions and next 5 highest BCS ranked teams in playoffs.
2. Top 8 BCS ranked conference champions or independents are top 8 seeds in BCS Rankings order.
3. Seeds 9-16 determined based on BCS rankings with the following exceptions.
* Conference standings precede BCS Rankings
* Same conference teams meet at latest possible moment (1v4, 2v3)
4. Higher seed hosts in 1st round, Quarterfinals, and Semifinals.
5. All bowl eligible, non-playoff teams eligible for bowls (playoff teams selected after loss in playoffs).
6. One bowl hosts 3rd place game New Year’s Eve, Championship New Year’s Day.

One bowl hosts 3rd/Champ games so that all teams know their bowl destinations and have time for them and fans to make arrangements, get tickets, etc. To finish by January 1st, we need a regular season where all teams are subject to a 14 week regular season with all games (conferences have either 2 bye weeks or 1 bye week and conference championship) finished by Thanksgiving weekend. Here is how it would have played out this year using final regular season BCS standings and 2009 Conference champions (thanks to

December 5th
Alabama* 39-3 East Carolina
Iowa 34-27 Georgia Tech*
Boise State* 27-24 Penn State
TCU* 27-0 Central Michigan
Cincinnati* 44-24 LSU
Oregon* 30-24 Virginia Tech
Florida 26-10 Ohio State*
Texas* 38-16 Troy

December 12th
Alabama* 41-0 Iowa
TCU* 58-3 Boise St
Cincinnati* 26-13 Oregon
Florida 20-13 Texas*

December 19th
Alabama* 31-6 TCU
Florida 24-22 Cincinnati*

* – Indicates the higher seed and host

December 31st
TCU v Cincinnati (Third Place Game)

January 1st
Alabama v Florida (Championship)

Both of these games hosted by a bowl. I would say Rose Bowl but I think, in this scenario, they want the Oregon v Ohio State match since both teams lost out.

I would tell you how it finishes but we have to wait another couple of days! Whatever it takes, we need a playoff!! We need journalists, talk show hosts, Game Day hosts, to start demanding it, talk about it every day from the last regular season game through the last bowl game. It needs to happen!

Denver Dog

December 30th, 2009
11:42 am

Amazing that a sytem derived from polls now shows polls as part of its reasoning for a playoff. It is all a bunch of bunk until you figure out what to do with the ACC. Here is a conference which gets a free pass in, but has terrible teams. How do you handle that? If Mountain West were to get an automatic, would all this still be talked about. If Boise played more than one game every 3 years, would this still be talked about. Solve it on the field they say. How? which undefeated team gets to play another undefeated team and when, and where? Lots of questions, very few answers.

Miami proved the ACC point again.

Mike Leach has the media after him, and he doesn’t seem to be much of the Bear Bryant, Gene Stallings type.

Berry has been getting paid for years, now it will just be official


December 30th, 2009
11:43 am

ron mexico – first off, that’s the name you’re going with? Seriously? That reference is really old.

Anyway, a playoff involving only conference champions eliminates any legit complaints about not getting invited. If the 8 best conference champs are invited the one left out had no shot at winning anyway. Quick, name the 9th best conference champion this year? Think they have any chance at upsetting 3 of the other champs?


December 30th, 2009
11:43 am

The NFL’s regular season is hardly irrelevant. Look at the highest rated shows on TV this fall. All have been NFL games.

GT fan in MS

December 30th, 2009
11:43 am

I’m not sure the idea to take the top 8 ranked teams would be best. Last year we had 3 teams in the top 8 from the B12 (UT, OU, TT) and 2 lost in their bowl games. Would we have gotten the best 8 teams for a playoff simply by taking the top 8 ranked? Often times the rankings are a complete joke and not exposed until bowl season. Look at the B10 the last 3 years. Or the ACC or BigE.
The fans couldn’t travel from city to city following their team through multiple bowl games during a playoff. Who’s got that much vacation time and disposable income to travel, potentially cross country, every weekend to sell out these games? The games would have to be hosted at the higher seeds just like in FCS and the NFL with a finale at a neutral site.


December 30th, 2009
11:44 am

Its not that difficult. How about a 12 team playoff. 12 FBS conferences. Each conference champion gets in. Top 4 get a bye in the first round. Or you could do 16 with 4 at large bids. With a system like this at least every team would have a chance to win the championship and teams would have to actually earn it. The way it is now its pretty hard to even call it a championship.


December 30th, 2009
11:47 am

Selection Committee
Works in college b-ball.


December 30th, 2009
11:47 am

Tony – I respect your writing as much as anyone, but you are dead wrong on the issue of a playoff. As many people on this blog have noted above, a four team playoff just isn’t enough. There are many ways to get a playoff system in place that will lead to a true NCAA National Championship in Division I football. I happen to think a 16 team playoff is feasible. An 8 team playoff is a no-brainer. A four team playoff is simply a tease and will create more ill-will than the current BCS format. The “and one” system you espouse is simply inadequate.

And, btw, do we really have 119 programs playing at the “highest level”. If we cut that in half (which it should be), then a playoff makes even more sense.

Just an opinion on an otherwise “pointless” blog. hh


December 30th, 2009
11:50 am

why would they pull starters when if you lose, you drop and risk not making the playoffs? that makes no sense.


December 30th, 2009
11:54 am

Then do this…take the top 8. if a conference from the big 6 isn’t represented in the top 8, and if they have a team ranked in the top 12, then that team would get the 8th seed. if you don’t have a team ranked in the top 12, you don’t deserve to be in a bcs bowl anyway.

Billy G

December 30th, 2009
11:57 am

I too would love a playoff, but it does not matter how many people do. The NCAA is a business and some of the largest revenue producing products are the bowl games. So you want them to give up money just to have a true National Champion? Remember, these are the same people who allow you to watch basketball on more networks than you can count during the season, but come the field of 64, you have one network that dictates the game in your area for you to watch, unless you subscribe to a certain satellite company and want to pay additionally for the other games. No regard for the fans, just go with the highest bidder. And they NCAA wonders where the players get the idea they should make some money as well. Attitude is a reflection of leadership.


December 30th, 2009
11:58 am

Thick ankles, huh Tony? The Badgers looked pretty good dominating a supposedly superior Miami team (the score wasn’t nearly indicative of the dominance). I don’t expect much objectivity coming from your SEC-centric perspective, but someday it would be refreshing to see/hear you differentiate between “team” and “speed”. The latter does not always mean superior.

Blue Gill

December 30th, 2009
11:59 am

To hell with a playoff system. Let’s just have 68 bowl games instead of 34.

War Jacket

December 30th, 2009
12:04 pm

I wouldn’t change the system at all. I don’t like the BB playoff system, it renders the conference tournies basically meaningless. Plus, playoffs don’t necessarily determine the best team. They determine the best team on a given day.


December 30th, 2009
12:04 pm

I’m a Texas Tech alumni, so I follow the program as much as one possibly can. The issue at Texas Tech is much deeper than it appears on the surface. This may have started with a disgruntled kid unhappy at his treatment, but it’s no longer about Craig James and his son. It’s really a big storm that’s been building for years now between Leach and the administration. There’s been a power struggle for years between two sides that despise each other. Sure, Leach is a cash cow for the program and the best coach the school has ever had, but it’s a dysfunctional relationship that was destined to end sooner or later, you simply cannot continue with that kind of working relationship. No matter what, the program and the university is always bigger than one man, and those two things aren’t going anywhere. As a fan and alum, I support Leach and don’t think he did anything wrong, but it’s clearly time for him to leave. I hope he’s vindicated in this ordeal so his future job opportunities aren’t limited by what I think is an attempt to smear his character. The fault for the dysfunctional relationship is everyone’s, from Leach all the way up to the board of regents. The reality though is that the football coach is the most replaceable person when compared to the chancellor, president and board or regents.


December 30th, 2009
12:05 pm

An 8 team playoff would be good…generally anybody outside the Top 8 are NOT national championship caliber. You could still keep all the minor bowls as a rewards for the other teams who did not make the playoffs. 16 teams would involved too many games and is not needed. If you go back in history and look at the final 8 teams in the polls history will bear out that an 8 team playoff would do the job on the field.
Mike Leach is a nut,but a great offensive mind, but at the same time his arrogance does not work well in a college environment.

Finally TONY…give credit where credit is due…Wisconsin dominated the line of scrimmage last night on both sides of the ball and physically dominated Miami and Randy Shannon is a good assistant and that is about it.


December 30th, 2009
12:05 pm

Come on people. Any time a write or wants to generate email or blog posts, he/she just rolls out the playoff piece. It is not going to happen unless the presidents get a clear message the fans are upset. That means stop going to games and writing sponsors that you are not going to buy products advertised. It is a simple solution, but it is not going to happen.

For the record, I am lukewarm at best to a playoff. For the record, we have a playoff, it just involves 2 teams. No matter what system is used, a decision is going to be made and a team(s) is going to make a sound argument as to why it should be in the hunt. I would prefer a post bowl game BCS title game.

T. B. Shirey

December 30th, 2009
12:06 pm

A playoff? We can’t even agree on which teams should be in a 64 team basketball playoff. How would we ever agree on which teams should be in a 4-8-16 teams playoff? Put in TCU, Cincinnati or Boise State and leave out Florida, Georgia Tech or Ohio State? How long would there be arguments about that.

I have read my bible and the US Constitution from cover to cover and no where can I find a guarantee that we are guaranteed a “national football champion.”


December 30th, 2009
12:15 pm

Here’s the solution to the playoff/bowl mess. Eliminate the BCS and return to the old system. This way there is more than one meaningful bowl game. While we are at it lets get rid of about half the bowls. My ideas:

1. No city can host more than one bowl game
2. The minimum number of wins to qualify for a bowl is increased to seven maybe even eight.
3. No city that has hosted a bowl game and disbanded it can be qualified for a new game.
4. No conference tie-ins for second and third tier bowl games.


December 30th, 2009
12:16 pm

FCS has a playoff system where the 8 conference champions get an automatic bid and there are 8 at large bids. Can someone explain to me why a similar system wouldnt work in FBS? It seems so simple, just have 12 automatic bids and 4 at large bids. Every FBS team would have a chance to win it all instead of the current system where only 10-15 teams have a chance every year. Plus it would make rankings fairly meaningless which would be a good thing.

Steven R Daugherty

December 30th, 2009
12:17 pm

You guys will be sorry when I am elected King Of The World. No playoffs, in fact no BCS title game – I’ll blow up a bunch of these sorry 6-6 vs. 7-5 bowl games and eliminate corporate names in the bowls – we’re returning to 1969 baby. Back when the men were men and the ships were made out of wood. And the AP writers voted on who was #1, and that was all there was to it. Except for the arguing during the offseason, which is ultimately what it is all about, right?

Paul's Johnson

December 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

Some good takes on T-Tech situation. I agree with Archie that this is not just an isolated situation. It was apparent heading into this season that Leach’s relationship with his administration was strained. I’m no expert about the medical way this situation was handled, but I agree with Tony that refusing to meet with the James family to even discuss the situation was dumb. It’s like Leach is asking to be fired.


December 30th, 2009
12:21 pm

Honestly, I’d rather go back to the old bowl format instead of the current BCS system.

Sugar-Bama vs Iowa
Orange-Texas vs TCU
Rose-Oregon vs OSU
Cotton-Boise vs Iowa
Fiesta-Cincy vs Florida

What’s the difference?


December 30th, 2009
12:22 pm


December 30th, 2009
12:47 pm


They would pull starters because it is a non ACC game and they locked the ACC division.

An 8 team playoff will involve 6 BCS conf champs and 2 at large bids most likely 2 of the 3, ND, or the champ from the MWC or WAC.

A playoff between the top 8 in rankings will not take place due to politics and money.


December 30th, 2009
12:57 pm


Paul Johnson does full contact, full speed practices. Even skill players get hit alot in practice. You really think he would be the type to sit players in fear of injury? He could have done that this year when Nesbitt got hurt in the UGA game. He could have kept him out the rest of the game to get ready for the ACC championship but he didnt.

Dixie Normus

December 30th, 2009
1:00 pm


Playoffs – I like your idea of a 4 team playoff, but I like an 8 team playoff better. Basically just use the BCS bowls as the first round. The season would be 1 week longer but that’s no big deal, the Alabamas will cancel classes that week anyway.

Leach – I couldn’t disagree with you more as I think this whole thing is being blown WAY out of proportion. Adam “I got put in a dark room all by myself, and I got scared” James is a whiney @$$ pu$$y and Craig James is a crappy ESPN analyst looking to make a buck off his son, and they should both be regarded as such. Probably the reason Leach had to resort to such a weird disciplinary measure is because whenever he chewed the kid out he would go off into a corner and suck his thumb for the rest of practice. I mean, seriously, this kid probably wets the bed at night before each game because he’s so worried about getting hit by “those big meanies” on the other team. The problem with society is these losers get lip service by idiots in the media which only encourages the behavior (in them and in others).

Berry – Why are we still talking about this guy? He had 1 great season… last year.


December 30th, 2009
1:33 pm

I love seeing people say a playoff would render the regular season meaningless. I wonder what Cincinnati, TCU and Boise State think about that. If you play a sport and win all of your games, aren’t you supposed to be able to play for the championship? The regular season is already “meaningless” once a team loses twice. The bowls are all nothing more than exhibition games with extra practice. If you think there’s some “momentum” BS that comes from winning a bowl, recall that Georgia whooped Hawaii the year before being named preseason No. 1. How did that work out?

Whopper Dawg

December 30th, 2009
1:53 pm


You are correct, in fact, in many ways the contenders for the national championship are decided before the season with the pre-season polls. Imagine for example, if Cinncy and TCU were ranked one and two pre-season, and for some reason Alabama and Texas were ranked outside of the top ten. Who would be playing for it?

The BCS is not about football, it is about money and everyone knows it. The best you can say about the winner of the Bama Texas game is that they are the winner of the Bama Texas game. In no way does it prove they are the best team in the nation. In no way.


December 30th, 2009
1:56 pm

I like Tony’s idea of a 4 team playoff. The only difference is I would make is that the semifinals would be played around the 20th or so. Then the championship game would be 2 weeks after that.

Those 3 games would rotate among six bowls every two years (e.g. Rose, Cotton, Orange one year, Fiesta, Sugar, Peach the next). Within those three bowls, they would take turn on who hosted the national championship game. So each bowl would get it once every 6 years. The semifinals would be played at the bowl that was closest to the highest ranked team. The rest of the bowls, including the 3 listed above who were not part of the championship that year, would get whoever they could get. There would be no automatic conference berths into the top 4 – it would be a poll decided by one third human and two thirds computer.

This would limit the number of games any team could possibly play to 15.


December 30th, 2009
2:06 pm



December 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

FYI: The review identified at least 27 schools where athletes were at least 10 times more likely to benefit from special admission programs than students in the general population.

The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don’t meet “standard or normal entrance requirements.” The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone.

That group includes 2009 Bowl Championship Series teams Oregon, Georgia Tech and Alabama, which is playing Texas for the national title Jan. 7.

At Alabama, 19 football players got in as part of a special admissions program from 2004 to 2006, the most recent years available in the NCAA report. The school tightened its standards for “special admits” in both 2004 and 2007, but from 2004 through 2006, Crimson Tide athletes were still more than 43 times more likely to benefit from such exemptions.

College special admissions glance

An Associated Press review has found that at least 77 of the 120 schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision have used special admissions waivers to land athletes and other students with certain talents.

Football players and other athletes at 27 schools were at least 10 times more likely to benefit from such programs than students in the general population:

- Arizona, California, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA and Washington (Pac-10)

- Baylor, Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma (Big 12)

- Alabama and Georgia (SEC)

- Clemson, Georgia Tech and Maryland (ACC)

- Indiana (Big 10)

- Rutgers and South Florida (Big East)

- Alabama-Birmingham, Central Florida, East Carolina, Houston, Marshall and Memphis (Conference USA)

- Colorado State and Utah (Mountain West)

- Western Michigan (Mid-American Conference)

NOTE: At Arizona, Oregon, Missouri, Georgia Tech and Houston, only football players exceeded the 10-times threshold. At Baylor, Clemson and Western Michigan, athletes overall exceeded the threshold but football players did not. Oregon State and UCLA did not provide percentages for football.


December 30th, 2009
2:29 pm

It’s a good article as usual. How many times have you explained the incredible number of different agendas at play here..the current BCS contract, University presidents, travel logistics? You’ve pretty much made it clear that it would be easier to solve the middle east peace crisis and health care than institute any of these preposterous eight and sixteen team playoff formats?

I know this won’t happen either but the old way at least made all four major bowls significant. I would prefer going back to the old way if we’re not going to have a plus one as the other four ‘major’ bowls are now meaningless exhibitions.


December 30th, 2009
2:37 pm

i never said to give conference champions a playoff birth. i think it’s insane. i get the point that some conferences wouldn’t go for it because they face the possibility of getting left out. that’s why i said to tweak it. if a team wins a conf and is in the top 12, but not in the top 8, they could take the spot of a team that didn’t win their conf but only if they are ranked top 12. yes then there would probably be whining of a team getting left out that felt their deserved a chance. this year this scenario would have worked out where–

1 bama
2 texas
3 cincy
4 tcu
5 fla
6 boise
7 oregon
8 ohio st

So under this scenario, gt would replace fla since they won their conf and are in the top 12, #9 actually. but gt would not be the 5th seed. they would be the 8th. if you want to expand even more, do the top 10 teams and give the first 2 seeds a bye. then both fla and gt would be in because both would be deserving.


December 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Given Craig James’ personal collegiate history and the scandal associated with it, I’m not inclined to take his word for anything. As for his son, well, the old saying goes: the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

From what I’ve read, Leach’s biggest problems were that he is fat, weird and doesn’t get along with the administration. The incident with the James kid seems more like cover to allow the TT administration to get rid of Leach.

I used to be a big believer in a playoff. Now, I don’t really care. There’s been too much talk about it and regardless of how it is done, it will be susceptible to manipulation by the power brokers. Maybe we should go back to the pre-BCS days…

We want a playoff....

December 30th, 2009
2:49 pm

There must eventually be a NCAA playoff for Div. I

30-24!!!! on your field Techies! Taste it and cry like usual! Let’s hear some more of your annual whiny excuses.


December 30th, 2009
2:49 pm

So Eric, you would replace UF with GT. Basically give GT the spot that the higher ranked and probably better football team earned on the field. Now that my friend would be total BS. If anything just take the higher ranked team no matter what it’s conference. How could you justify replacing UF with a conference champion that got beat by a 5 loss UGA team, that in turn got beat 41-19 by UF. Talk about a mess. And by the way Eric, all conference champions are not equal.


December 30th, 2009
2:52 pm

That’s nuts Eric. Just shi& can a team that gets beat by Alabama for a team that beat a 4 loss Clemson team in the ACC title game. That’s absurd.


December 30th, 2009
3:22 pm

If it’s a 8-team playoff, I’d think to pick 4 of the BCS-game winners. This way, it’s more like a 4-team playoff rather than a 8-team playoff, but a filtered 4-team playoff. After the regular bowl games, a team only need to play 2 games to become a champ, while the plus-1 formula need 1 extra game to determine a champ.

People tend to forget this college, not professional sports. Students have classes and exams. 16-team or 32-team playoff are ideas from people who never attended colleges.

Plus-1(filtered-4) or filtered-8 are OK with me.


December 30th, 2009
3:26 pm

If you had my 8 team playoff of champtions this year, where the 8 highest ranked conference champions get in, that would be 8 of the 9 highest ranked teams. So this would be one of the strongest playoffs you would ever see.

And Tech would be the lowest seed :)

matt r

December 30th, 2009
3:29 pm

To the people who love the bowl system:

Cinci is playing in the biggest game in school history, but their coach just left town, and the interim coach is leaving town right after the game. Is this the wonderful rewarding experience for student-athletes I keep hearing about? What are the chances the coach leaves if he is in a EIGHT TEAM playoff playing for a national title?


December 30th, 2009
3:35 pm

Given that this is one of the most dull and boring and poorly attended/watched exibition seasons in NCAA history…maybe a few things will change in the future.

Honestly, I wish they would just stop calling it a “National Champion” and just call the bowls what they are… exibitions….in the case of this year, really dull matchups at odd times.

January 1 was a holiday so it was special…Are we really holding the ORange bowl on TUESDAY???? WHY??? Saturday was available.

I don’t ultimately care about playoffs, heck we have coaches in basketball whining 65 teams aren’t enough because they can’t get their middling programs into the tournament. 4 is only going to be expanded and expanded.

Just give me better matchups. The Rose Bowl got lucky this year…. often it’s a snorefest.

The entire bowl season this year outside of Bama vs Texas… is pretty dull.


December 30th, 2009
3:37 pm

Tony…How can Notre Dame get almost 4 million from the BCS system over the last three years and not even make a BCS bowl? The BCS is about Money and Greed!


December 30th, 2009
3:51 pm

bowl games have played out you have 119 teams some of them can go bowling real teams playoff


December 30th, 2009
4:16 pm

ugaaccountant, so in your system a #5 UF would be SOL and a team like GT would be in? All conferences are not equal ugaaccountant. Are you saying that if for instance, Alabama, UF, and LSU were all in the top 8, 2 of them would be out of the playoff. That’s a very flawed playoff system if the purpose is to pit the best against the best. What if Clemson had won the ACC and in the playoff by virtue of being a conference champion? What a farce that would be. Alabama and UF were ranked 1 and 2 and the loser gets eliminated because they lost the conference title game. GT played a patsy in their game. Texas played a much lower ranked team. Oregon and Ohio State didn’t even have to play a title game. For any playoff to be legit you put the best 8 on the field conference champion or not.

matt r

December 30th, 2009
4:26 pm

I like this: eight teams, current six BCS conference champs get auto-bids (you need this or it will never happen… maybe you could do it dumping the Big East and make the other five auto-bids). The seventh bid would go to the best other conference champ (TCU this year). The eight would be one wild-card. So Boise would get screwed in this case as Florida would be above them. Plus I would let a NCAA selection committee pick the wild card team (not the money-focused bowls) but let the 4 bowls be the 4 quarterfinal matchups. Let them take the teams they want (Rose with pac10 and big10, etc) as long as 1-4 does not play 5-8. There would be a lot of whining if 1 had to play 5 but oh well, you need the bowls to be happy. Semis and finals could be NCAA rotating neutral sites like the final 4 does.


December 30th, 2009
4:36 pm

If conference champions get automatic bids no matter what their record or sos, then you have another farce on your hands. Maybe even worse than what you have now.


December 30th, 2009
4:40 pm

Ga tech is the #9 team in the country and a conference champion. Much as I want to bag on them for losing to us, I have to give people credit for meeting the goals in front of them. Florida did not meet the goal in front of them.

Florida is in fact a better team than GT, but that’s why we play the games. Win your conference or you don’t get in.

This should all sound familiar since it’s the very reason we didn’t play for the title 2 years ago.

Keep it Real!

December 30th, 2009
5:05 pm

We need play-offs real bad!

Can someone tell me why TCU is playing Boise State?
Because they did not want to see these schools upset the big conference schools! What a joke this bowl series is we will never know a true champion as long we have the bullsh!!t bowl series!

Since UTAH beat bama last year they will not let the mountain west teams play the big boys!


December 30th, 2009
5:11 pm

Who would you say the better football team is ugaaccountant. If GT isn’t ranked higher than UF they shouldn’t be in the playofff. It would be a classic case of dumbing down. GT got humiliated by Miami and had got physically manhandled by a 7-5 UGA team. Florida gets punished for losing to what appears to be the best team in the country? Hell no. GT is not as good as UF period. Florida lost 1 game to Alabama and GT lost to 2 teams with what? 9 losses between them? Give me a break.


December 30th, 2009
5:14 pm

Sorry. I have to agree with Urban on this one. It should be the highest ranked 8 teams period. Otherwisw the whole thing is tainted worse than it is now.


December 30th, 2009
5:17 pm

So if an independent is undefeated and ranked top 5 they get bumped by the #9 champion of the ACC? What a joke that would be. Your system would be a nightmare ugaaccountant.

George Askew

December 30th, 2009
5:25 pm

What have you accomplished if you don’t take the best 8? What a joke it would be if conference champions with 2/3/4 losses would be bumping teams with 1 loss and stronger strength of schedules. It would be a more screwed up system then what we have now.


December 30th, 2009
5:27 pm

Sorry. If it’s not the best 8 I’d rather have what we got now. Best against the best or it’s no test.


December 30th, 2009
5:36 pm

Tony! Weigh in on this. How could a playoff that doesn’t put best on best improve what we have now. What the hell happens if one of the left out teams actually beat one of the conference champions on the field during the regular season? I.E. FSU gets drilled by UF but wins the ACC. UF loses the SEC title to Alabama and finishes not only higher ranked but had the stronger strength of schedule. That would be an absolutely stupid system. As one poster pointed out earlier you could even have teams doing what the NFL is doing holding out starters and dumping a non conference game because they don’t want key players injured and out of a conference title game. Talk about a screwed up system At least now teams try to win all their games to enhance their bowl standing.


December 30th, 2009
5:44 pm

If you start talking about how “good” a team is then individual bias will ruin the system again. The only fair and legitimate way to do a playoff is to give automatic bids to the 12 FBS conference champions. If you want to give 4 at large bids determined by a selection committee as well then great. Without this, teams will continue to be screwed and the process will continue to be flawed. FCS does it right. FBS needs to learn from them.


December 30th, 2009
5:47 pm

Duramax – I agreed earlier that an independent could get in if they were undefeated and ranked ahead of the 8th best conference champion. But if they lose once, tough luck, should have been in a conference.

For a**holes saying it’s worse than now, **** no it isn’t. It is far more fair as it lets in only teams that have actually won their way in. This board is obviously full of SEC fans and right now we are on top of the world and would get 2 teams in most years. But how will you feel if 10 years from now the perception of our conference is that we are weak and we get 0 teams in? Don’t think it could happen? If we get just a little more parity and start having 2 loss champions on a regular basis, the media can spin us down in a hurry.

If there are any ACC or Big East fans on this blog, you have to realize your best team would often be left out cold if it was simply the 8 top ranked team.


December 30th, 2009
5:49 pm

And I think over time there would only be 8 conferences left once this system got rolling. The rest would willingly drop to the other subdivision.


December 30th, 2009
6:01 pm

Your system sucks ugaaccountant. What if your system were in place this year and by some miracle Clemson had won the ACC with 4 losses and you bump Florida? That’s BS.


December 30th, 2009
6:02 pm

Enter your comments here


December 30th, 2009
6:04 pm

Hawkeye’s right The bean counter doesn’t have a shred of common sense. His system would be an absolute disaster.


December 30th, 2009
6:06 pm

So what if a sorry conference gets left out? Isn’t the point to get the best against the best and get a TRUE national champion? If it’s not, keep what we have now.


December 30th, 2009
6:12 pm

Won their way in? LMAO! A 4 loss Clemson team would have “won their way in”. That defies even the most fuzzy logic. You’re an idiot. ugaaccountant. Now get pissed and call your detractors azzholes.

Dan Gates

December 30th, 2009
6:18 pm

Yes, the accountants system is lunacy. Get it down to the 4 best teams period, conferences be damned. Being the champion of some of these conferences is like being the prettiest Pig in the sty.


December 30th, 2009
6:25 pm

Congratulations bean counter! You’ve actually come up with a system that would be more controversial than the one we already have.


December 30th, 2009
6:33 pm


December 30th, 2009
5:47 pm

For a**holes saying it’s worse than now, **** no it isn’t. It is far more fair as it lets in only teams that have actually won their way in. This board is obviously full of SEC fans and right now we are on top of the world and would get 2 teams in most years. But how will you feel if 10 years from now the perception of our conference is that we are weak and we get 0 teams in? Don’t think it could happen? If we get just a little more parity and start having 2 loss champions on a regular basis, the media can spin us down in a hurry.

FAIR! You imbecile. What coud be more unfair than bumping a top 5 one loss team just to be “fair” to some weak link conference that probably doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell anyway? I thought we were supposed to be determining a real unadulterated NC, not creating some kind of football affirmative action program. Fair my azz. Best on best and screw the rest.


December 30th, 2009
6:33 pm

This is why the playoffs are never happening, because fans like Hawkeye1 don’t understand that the system has to work for everyone. If a system is going to exclude 90% of teams, how will it ever get approved?

In a 8 team system, based on rankings with no regard to conference affiliation, there is no reason for the ACC, Big east or any smaller conference to vote for the system. They would be left out in the cold 80% or more of the time. The Pac10 and Big10 would be pretty neutral but could find themselves on the outs ocassionally. The SEC and Big 12 would be for it often getting 2 teams in. So the new system you are creating would have less support than the current BCS which at least is acceptable to 6 conferences.

You have to think of building approval amongst the vast majority of schools in order to even have a prayer of this happening.

Jim Mora Sr.

December 30th, 2009
6:41 pm

Playoffs!!!? If you have a 4 team or 8 team playoff, that means that there will be more games that mean something. As it is only one bowl game matters, the BCS SHAMpionship Game. 16 teams would be better but I think 8 teams using the four BCS bowls is the most practical because there would only be two extra games, the national semifinals. The final game could be the week in between the pro conference championship games and the Super Bowl and it would pretty much have the week to itself as far as important sporting events would go. The rest of the bowls could go on as the meaningless exhibitions that they already are.


December 30th, 2009
6:43 pm

Dawgbite – this year you’re talking about excluding #9 GA Tech. Much as I bag on them for losing to us, they are far from a weak link and would have a realistic shot at winning.

And even in years where they are weaker, hasn’t the #1 seed earned an easier 1st game than say the #4 seed has earned? That’s why you have seeds, to decide who gets to play each other.

Are you consistent here, meaning do you criticize the NFL for letting in divisional champions that sometimes have worse records by far than teams that don’t make the playoffs? To win a division in the NFL you only have to be better than a small handful of teams, and the divisions are wildly uneven in terms of strength of schedule.


December 30th, 2009
6:48 pm

PUHLEEEEEEEZE bean counter. Who wants a bad system replacing a bad system that doesn’t get you any closer to determining the best team in the nation. Exclude the best to accommodate the rest? What’s the point? You sound like one of those boneheads in Washington. Let’s bast#rdize and pros%itute the whole damn thing just to get something that makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. Who cares if some of these conferences get left out. If they want in, get better. Isn’t that the way the real world works? Be the lead dog or enjoy the view?

Tony Ingles

December 30th, 2009
6:50 pm

ugaaccountant do you get the feeling that nobody likes your system? There are some pretty compelling reasons that they don’t.


December 30th, 2009
6:59 pm

It’s a no brainer that a team that goes 12-0 and loses 1 game to undefeated Alabama in a conference title game is better than a team that loses to a Miami team and a UGA team with a combined 9 loses. You don’t have to be a bean counter to crunch those numbers and figure out who should be excluded. I’m glad as hell ugaaccountant isn’t messing with my P&L.


December 30th, 2009
7:09 pm

Tony Ingles, I’ve counted at least 5 posts on here that want every conference champion in. I agree that it’s not the most popular answer but it’s not the least popular system either.


December 30th, 2009
7:10 pm

Dawg bite – if you actually read my prosposal, not every conference gets in. There’s no free handout like the current system. You have to earn your way in every single year. No free passes for anyone.


December 30th, 2009
7:10 pm

Why do I get the feeling that ugaaccountant is a gtaccountant trying to back door GT into a playoff they don’t deserve to be in when compared to a 1 loss UF? Chances are if the ACC didn’t have an automatic tie in to the Orange Bowl that GT wouldn’t even be in a BCS bowl. And it doesn’t have to be a GT scenario. It could happen to any team in any conference. So what? The point is to put the best of the best in the playoff to get a true NC. Why swap one clusterf%ck with another.


December 30th, 2009
7:12 pm

Wolverine – True, that’s a no brainer. But that’s not the question is it? The question is how do we get a playoff system to happen. In order for the system to happen, every team needs some chance of getting in.

And if anyone’s problem is too many teams getting in, let only the 4 or 6 highest ranked champions in. The proposal I made is quite flexible in number.


December 30th, 2009
7:13 pm

How would GT have earned it’s way in when they lost to 2 teams with a combined 9 losses and beat a Clemson team that had 4 losses going into the ACC title game. UF 1 loss to an undefeated team and you exclude them for GT. No way that’s logical.


December 30th, 2009
7:17 pm


Reason 1) Tech doesn’t offer accounting degrees, look it up

Reason 2) I agree with you that the same problem you have with Tech getting in the playoffs is an issue you currently have most years with teams getting in the BCS over more deserving teams. This year being one of the least controversial BCS inclusions ever since all the automatic bids were #9 or higher.

reason 3) the point isn’t to get a perfect system, that’s impossible. The NFL doesn’t have a perfect system, MLB, March Madness, none of them are perfect. The point is to improve the system as best we can.


December 30th, 2009
7:20 pm

The issue between GA Tech and Florida will always exist in some form no matter how many teams are in the playoffs, unless there are an even number of undefeated teams from the best conferences and no other undefeated teams. That’s awfully rare.

This year there are 3 undefeated teams from BCS conferences and 2 other undefeated teams. Some years there are no undefeated teams at all. The argument is always changing under your system, wheras in mine it can be above the board and the same system every year.


December 30th, 2009
7:23 pm

ugaaccountant wouldn’t every team have the possibility of finishing in the top 8? Your system allows for too much gamesmanship such as GT, UGA, UF, FSU, et al holding players out of rivalry games with non conference opponents for no other reason than to have them healthy for a conference title game they need to win to get in your flawed playoff. For that matter they could keep key players out of every non conference game if the sole goal was winning your conference to get in the playoff. We could wind up a bunch of 2 or 3 loss teams in your playoff if winning a conference was all you had to do to get in the playoff. Isn’t the object to win EVERY game? Your argument doesn’t hold water. When a season begins everyone is 0-0 and everyone has equal opportunity to win enough games to be ranked in the top 8. If it’s not the best 8 teams period, it’s not going to produce a legitimate NC.


December 30th, 2009
7:31 pm

What’s simpler than win as many games as possible and finish in the top 8 and you’re in the playoff? No fuss, no muss. Play to win every game, not just the ones you have to win in your conference. Funny how teams in the toughest league in the country like Alabama, UF, LSU, et al aren’t afraid of having to finish in the top 8 to get in. Why should teams from cupcake conferences be afraid? They might actually have a better chance of getting in than some of those SEC teams.


December 30th, 2009
7:34 pm

What’s more above board than the 8 best teams get in. Exclude a 1 loss team for a 3 or 4 loss team just because they won a conference isn’t above board no matter how you slice it.


December 30th, 2009
7:43 pm

ugaaccountant a conference champion… say a 4 loss Clemson team had they won the ACC probably gets their butt kicked by Alabama in the 1st round so what’s the point. UF might actually have a chance to win the 2nd meeting if they got that deep into the playoff and met Bama again. Or Bama could get beat by say TCU. But to have had a 4 loss Clemson team or even a GT team that lost to Miami and Georgia in the playoff instead of the 1 loss UF would not be a legitimate playoff system. A playoff with the 8 best teams in the country is the way to go.

TCU Horned Frogs

December 30th, 2009
7:57 pm

AIN’T SKEERED!! Just win and get in. Top 8 or go the hell to the house.


December 30th, 2009
8:06 pm

You could actually ruin the regular season with your system ugaaccountant. If teams started holding players out of regular season non conference games to protect them from injury it kills the regular season for the fans. Who wants to see a bunch of 3 loss conference “champions” in a playoff. Playing to win every game with the ultimate goal of being a top 8 team to get in the playoff is the way to go.

he'll bite you if you try that

December 30th, 2009
8:44 pm

a 30 team playoff would have still left UGA out. Ga fans will not except any change other than just naming them NC right off the bat , every year with out playing a game. It’s about MONEY, and thats all .You do not get a vote. unless you can cover the existing $ out of pocket. got to make money. just like selling UGA gear in Wal-mart and Dollar stores. it makes bookoo $. They don’t care who likes it or not.PAY ME BEEACH!!

Vince Dooley

December 30th, 2009
9:40 pm

I don’t know what all my fans in dawg nation are talking about……but me being an intelligent coach and person there’s no argument about this……I’d take Tech’s 4 shinny National Championships any day over that silly one-on-one record between UGA and Tech…..just plain common sense I tell ya!


December 30th, 2009
9:46 pm

Eric, Your vision will not happen even with limitations. If it stood a chance limitation would ahve been put in place already. Nebraska was a snap away from a BCS and what are they #20?

Further the majority of BCS schools have to agree to it and they are not going to give up their chance to cash in.


CPJ is rather pigheaded and would cut his nose off… so he may play his starters in a meaningless game. Besides beating UGA was not a top goal this year. Even if you are correct in the assumption I just stated many coaches would pull players. It happens all the time in the NFL. Strength of Schedule place a much more minor roll and the big OOC games that we have enjoyed would dry up.


December 30th, 2009
9:49 pm

FYI whats your point? Football allows students who would never get a chance at a college degree a chance to audition for a 7 digit job?


December 30th, 2009
10:10 pm

collegeballfan: The ACC has a problemn general. The conference is just not good. At its best, what did you really have? FSU of the ’90s is the Ohio State of the 00’s. What do they have in common? No Championship game and a lack of parity within the conference. They should let the crappy ACC champion play the crappy Big 10 Champion, while the awful Pac 10 champion plays the Big 12 champion. The winners face off for number 2 and then that team plays the SEC champion for the National Championship. Problem Solved


December 30th, 2009
10:37 pm

Craig James is all about accountability?

Was he ever held accountable for cheating, taking money under the table, indulging with the girls and perks, as a high prized recruit for SMU?

He killed one program 30 years ago, and he just killed another.

They were not closets, they were air conditioned rooms. Good luck to his son, ever playing a down of college football again.

I’m sure Craigy’s little boy got trophies for last place as a kid.

We are just done as a Nation. These spoiled boobs today would never have survived in the day of Vince Lombardi, WWII, let alone basic training…pansies!

Good job James. Not many people have single handedly killed two d-1 football programs in a lifetime.


December 31st, 2009
3:27 am

Tony Blowhart, I read where you wrote in these spaces that you did NOT appreciate the fact that the AJ-C “ANNOUNCED” you were FIRED.

So, what are you doing here, then sir ?

You have NEVER Supported our Play-Offs we all want and damn it 4 teams doesn’t get it.


6 against 3 December 12 this year.

4 against 5 December 12 this year.

8 against 1 December 19 this year.

7 against 2 December 19 this year.

December 26, the winners face-off in 2 games that Saturday too.

Where ?

Let all the bowl bid. Whoever bids the most, gets the games. Watch Peach Bowl OUT BID lousy Orange Bowl and watch Rose Bowl QUIT, who always sees fit to put a horrible Big 10 team for the PAC-ZERO to play. As for the Fiesta Bowl, that was NEVER a major bowl.

The bowl games continue otherwise, all of them.

Just drop the 2nd bowl game on the nights we have 2. 1 is more than plenty any night.

Sir, this is NOT your sport. You are a boy from North Carolina who followed a little basketball 60 years ago.

Doug Roberson, sir :

Other than a Cuban sandwich, what you have is goulash. God Awful Goulash. That and a lot of bread. Sorry, but I do not share, and neither does anyone else that what you report about love you some Cuban food in Miami. It is inedible and there aren’t any places to be found that are edible.


Guess you get used to that in the slums of Atlanta where all our CRIME is and where ALL OUR DRUGS are, surrounding the Tech campus. They tried to gentrify the neighborhood, but those businesses are now closing. Major landmark anchor businesses for those business-shopping districts in the slums of a city of 6 million – such as Publix who is closing this week.

238 lbs. Left Tackle for GA tek, yeah, that’s small, and as for how tough he is, pardon me, Paul Johnson YANKED HIM for the last 4 plays of the game when he SCRAPPED his high school offense and threw 4 incomplete passes instead to END THE GAME 24-30.

If you want a STORY LINE for THIS game NO ONE WILL WATCH and NO ONE WILL ATTEND, especially NOT any of THESE GA tek fans in here posting to this biased blog of feel good about a team who played SIX GAMES against OPPONENTS who are NOT even in a damn bowl game – here you go : Iowa beat 1 team all season long and that team beat NO TEAM RANKED IN THE FINAL BCS TOP 34 TEAMS (Pennsylvania State.)

GA tek beat 1 team all season long too.

So, there you have it.

Iowa who beat 1 team (who beat no team in the BCS Final Top 34 teams) plays Georgia tek who played 6 games against teams who are NOT EVEN IN A DAMN BOWL GAME and GA tek also ONLY BEAT 1 TEAM ALL SEASON LONG.

Iowa LOST to a team who LOST to 4-8 Syracuse, LOST to 6-6 Minnesota, and LOST to 6-6 Michigan State.

GA tek LOST to a team who LOST to 7-6 Kentucky and LOST to 7-5 TN vols.

Great game.

Huh ?

Here those 2 are facing off against each other in crime-ridden, horrible food horrible restaurants of no choices but Goulash to eat with lots of bread – which is all they eat –Miami.

Keep your doors locked in Miami Doug. Would love to have you make it back here safely and report to us after the game what is the story line of a game that no one cares about and no one will watch, with no GA tek fans there.

GA tek is the WORST TRAVELING school in all of America.

WAR ZONES look better than where you are Doug Roberson.

What do you mean, who cares ? You should care. For your own personal safety, you should care Doug Roberson.

Orange Bowl is an embattled bowl. Too bad reading your story line, one would have to reply with such a statement of fact, to know it.



And, you are what ?

Stuck for a story line.

Just be honest Doug Roberson, sir.

Tell the truth. Quit with the GA tek bias.

AJ-C doesn’t provide that bias for UGA in our blog, Bubba.

Why not report Doug Roberson that GA tek is Number 35 and UGA Number 58 Top National Universities according to the latest 2010 U.S. News and World Report Rankings, and that more to the point, that that does NOT make GA tek 1 of the Top National Universities.

We’re Number 35.

When in the name of Hell did someone ever claim to be Number 35 at any damn thing ?

To Deflect this “obsessed” whining of GA tek fans (both of them) before they reply with that weak butt post, may I point out that it is NOT UGA who has To Hell with UGA in their damn Fight Song.

By the way, I am absolutely certain that THIS is the source of the POOR SPORTSMANSHIP that GA tek actually has forever been known for, not the least of which is Paul Johnson saying to GA tek fans (both of them) to hit UGA fans in the damn face.

Not close.


Timing was surely NOT THERE to have Paul Johnson scrap his high school offense and THROW 4 PASSES to END THE GAME.

4 passes that looked like WOUNDED DUCKS…

Yet, on that point in here Doug Roberson, sir, you sit there and “REPORT” that “Quarterback” Josh Nesbit is a “HEISMAN HOPEFUL.”


With his 38 games played and only 13 touchdown passes to 11 interceptions and another 23 fumbles.

Pre-Game, you were in here GUSHING as you are now about GA tek, Doug Roberson biased AJ-C reporter.

After the game, you tried to deflect that what you said pre-game DID NOT HAPPEN.

If you want to talk about Iowa GA tek, why not report that GA tek FIRED JON TENUTA and that Paul Johnson replaced JON TENUTA with the linebackers’ coach at So Miss as Paul Johnson’s DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR…

…and that UGA took the football and crammed it right down GA tek’s throat.

Right up the gut.

Every play.

That tech was NOT TOUGH,

Now, were they Doug Roberson, sir ?

40 years plus ?

Huh ?

1966 season. This is 2009.

That, Doug Roberson, is

43 years.

43 years since GA tek has even BEEN to a Major Bowl Game.


54 years since GA tek last won a Major Bowl Game.

How old are you Doug Roberson ?

I was alive in 1955.


God Almighty Above is all I can say and it begs the damn question if you are going to bring up GA tek’s Major Bowl DROUGHT of 54 years since GA tek won a Major Bowl Game, then (1) call them the Major Bowls and (2) say it’s been 54 years since GA tek last won a Major Bowl Game the 1955 season; and (3) say why haven’t any GA tek fans showed up for their 1st chance at a Major Bowl Victory in 54 years ?

Huh ?

Why not ?

Where are the so-called GA tek fans you supposedly address yourself too Doug Roberson, sir ?

1-3.ACC is 1-3 in bowl games.

UGA has been to 8 Major Bowls since GA tek LAST EVEN WENT TO ONE.

By the way, if you are going to discuss BOWL GAMES Doug Roberson :

7 of GA tek’s last 10 bowl games, GA tek has LOST.

GA tek has been to 13 straight consecutive bowl games now with this game, but is a miserable 5-7.

LOSING BOWL RECORD over this span bragged about of GA tek having been to a Bowl Game 13 consecutive years.

UGA has been to a Bowl Game 13 Consecutive Years too, and UGA is :

NOT 5-7 like GA tek last 13 consecutive bowls now, but 2 LOSSES.

13 consecutive bowl games, 11-2, UGA.

13 consecutive bowl games, 5-7, GA tek.

Now, that’s just me Doug Roberson.

What do I know about college football and try to report an unbiased retort to a soul-searching on your part Doug Roberson AJ-C beat writer for GA tek for a damn story line where you discuss bowl games but fail to mention that GA tek doesn’t even have a single not 1 player on the GA tek team who has EVER WON A BOWL GAME in his entire career at GA tek.

13 consecutive bowl games for GA tek, INDEED.

Just be honest.

Not a homer.

-0- tech fans. That’s an honest report.

Will be -0- at the game too. Why not report that the facts are that GA tek cannot give away 2 free hotdogs, 4 free Coca-Colas, 2 bags of boiled peanuts and a free parking pass to get a single GA tek fan to buy a ticket to 1 game for your so-called GA tek fans you address yourself to in such a biased fashion daily Doug Roberson.


# 48 in the nation attendance GA tek.


We buy season tickets for the GA tek football and throw away all the tickets but our game.

We own GA tek at Bobby Dodd Stadium (named after a University of Tennessee at Knoxville college DROP-OUT.)

The AJ-C reports that there are 29,700 GA tek alumni in the readership of the AJ-C.

And, there are of course a third of a million UGA alumni by direct comparison in your readership.


Only 5 teams have more ATTENDANCE than UGA.

GA tek # 48 in Attendance.

No GA tek fan on the plane down ?


Easy to spot the GA tek fans.

Slide rule hanging out their pants, pocket protector in their pocket and YELLOW wearing YELLOW.

Which of course, is the color of cowards.

Cowards who LOG ON as for example St. Simons pre-game and BRAG of the DESTROY UGA, but after the game, has YET to EVEN LOG IN as St. Simons, despite repeated attempts by me to call St. Simons out to have a pair and face the medicine.

Oh, he replied with a different handle that he didn’t think that 30-24 was DESTROYING of GA tek by UGA.

Less than a TD.

But, it was not I, nor any of the rest of us who come in here daily to call out 1 St. Simons to log in as St. Simons as he did for all this time and keep that just 1 handle.

And, take his medicine.

DISH IT OUT, can’t take it.

Of course, GA tek fans try to tell me it’s old gold.


Lived here all my life.


I do believe I know what color a damn YELLOWjacket is.

Like you guys trying to pass off a 1930 automobile for the AJ-C headlines of 1893 that a train wrecked outside of Lawrenceville with the cheaters from GA tek onboard stoned by UGA fans who recognized that THOSE WERE NOT GA tek students playing against us, but football players you HIRED FOR MONEY to play us.

RAMBLIN’ WRECK RETURNS TO ATLANTA, the headlines read with picture of WRECKED TRAIN.

Not Automobile from 30 years later.

By the way, Doug Roberson, I have looked up the draft projections and I cannot find a GA tek player on any NFL draft site mock draft.

GA tek has 25 NFL players today.

UGA 45.

UGA will have MORE DRAFTED again.

We had yet another UGA player drafted # 1 in the NFL Draft 1st overall pick, just last season.


GA tek never has ANY HEISMAN TROPHY either, but you fail to report that.


6 NC listed in the Official NCAA Football Records Book (I have a copy on my desk Doug Roberson, do you sir?), same as the 6 NC listed for UGA, and by ALL THE SAME POLLS that list GA tek 6 NC, that UGA has the same polls list us with 6 NC 1-A football.

But, UGA has an AP Poll Undefeated, Untied National Championship.

GA tek, by direct comparison DOES NOT, but does have SEVEN (7) SEASONS where GA tek did NOT WIN 1 SINGLE GAME all season long.

Read your articles Doug Roberson and GA tek has this great history.


As you FAIL TO REPORT Doug Roberson that GA tek is on ACADEMIC PROBATION in NCAA APR with 914 in men’s basketball.

How can that be Doug Roberson that you have NOT MENTIONED THAT 1 TIME ?

This is CURRENT NEWS Doug Roberson. Today. Now. PROBATION GA tek by NCAA.


NCAA Academic Progress Rate GA tek Men’s Basketball PROBATION with LOST SCHOLARSHIPS AS PENALTY for PROBATION of limited to ONLY 11 SCHOLARSHIPS.

Did they decide they are even going to show this game on TV ? I never saw the AJ-C report on THAT, either. I heard FOX was not going to be available in MANY MARKETS, in fact I heard that includes this AREA.

Not that you can open the 1-horse newspaper town trying to coddle GA tek fans (both of them) sports pages and find a hard hitting truthful story line on GA tek.

Where is your retraction Doug Roberson for what you REPORTED in THIS blog about what you guaranteed would happen before GA Tek LOST it’s 60th game to UGA in football, a feat only 4 other 1-A programs have accomplished.

Let me know when you are going to FACE THE MUSIC and quit sitting there squirming in your chair hiding behind your keyboard UNABLE to login and say under the handle you said GA tek would “DESTROY UGA” that GA tek LOST St. Simons ?

St. Simons, don’t try to tell me you are NOT squirming in your chair as you read this, not man enough to reply with the handle St. Simons AND KEEP THAT HANDLE to continue to post ALL YOUR POSTS until AFTER THE NEXT GAME.


Doug Roberson, You know there is 1 more unfinished business item to address to your biased reporting for GA tek in the AJ-C, sir, and that is that GA tek’s fans are the WORST POOR SPORTS in all of sports. Imagine coming in here with the EXCUSES they came in here with after what they said pre-game about “DESTROYING UGA.”

There is a long TRADITION of POOR SPORTS at GA tek. Forever. From the beginning. No time off. Continuous. Everlasting.


8 of 9 for Coach Richt.

30-24. (I didn’t know a 6-point LOSS is “DESTROYING UGA” Doug Roberson and both GA tek fans, and St. Simons.)


December 31st, 2009
3:35 am


by Tony Barnhart

“Georgia at Georgia Tech: Georgia Tech is brimming with confidence as it goes for its second straight win over the Bulldogs. Georgia, meanwhile, there is no evidence that the Bulldogs can handle a tough, physical football game for four quarters. That is exactly what Georgia Tech will give them. Georgia Tech 38, Georgia 21.”


December 31st, 2009
4:17 am


I should also like to discuss Craig James and Colin Cowherd.

SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL to interview Craig James on ESPN.

We all saw him say his side of it.

Fair and balanced ?

I think NOT.

That’s not right.

I saw the cell phone pictures from Craig James’ son he sent not to SMU but to Texas Tech. The kid isn’t any good.

Adam James.

Excuse me.

Your video evidence produced does NOT support your dad’s claim of a shed, sir.

An equipment shed with tackling dummies and pads only.

In fact, the room looks quite large.



I saw the light.

I note too, that Adam James SAYS NOTHING.

Just his dear old dad, Craig James.

TV interview after ESPN TV interview of JUST…

wait for it now…

ESPN Craig James.

Colin Cowherd, your Interview of Craig James is ALSO not legal, son.

You can’t do that.


Trust me, Texas Tech will PAY MILLIONS IN DAMAGES to Mike Leach.

Texas Tech under Mike Leach :





8-4 Final AP Poll Number 18.

9-3 Final AP Poll Number 20. AL appeal fails 10-2.


9-4 Final AP Poll Number 22.

11-2 last year Final AP Poll Number 12.

9-4 absolutely would have been again this year.

That is Mike Leach’s record at a “school” that the previous 7 years before Mike Leach were ON NCAA PROBATION for B.S. and lying and playing 21 players who were NOT ELIGIBLE, yet Texas Tech never corrected their won/loss record from it all.

Before that, Texas Tech was :
































Nice Texas Tech.

And, nice place for your loser sons, loser Craig James. No one ever heard of you Craig James. Your teammates like Duper, yes.

All-Time without Mike Leach 416 wins 347 Losses 32 ties.

With Mike Leach : 86 wins in 10 years, only 42 losses.

9-4 with Mike Leach

Without Mike Leach ?

Not a damn freaking thing.

This is so typical of college football nowadays with ESPN.

All you have heard is the ESPN point of view.

This is NOT over.

Texas Tech is going down and this is going to cost Texas Tech MILLIONS.


Just as UGA now, must stand up and pay Decory Bryant $500,000, no matter what the court said.

UGA pay up. I am ashamed of UGA not paying Decory Bryant $500,000 and standing behind some GOVERNMENT YOU CAN’T SUE ME CRAP. Football is NOT GOVERNMENT. If it were my $100,000 in donations to the Athletic Fund would be tax deductible.

Texas Tech will.

U.S. Congress

December 31st, 2009
7:10 am

We Senators have nothing better to do than to mull over a bill which would force a playoff system in NCAA Football.The Economy is going great,there are no wars and the world is in complete harmony so we need something to do to justify the pay raises that were just ratified in a bill!!!


December 31st, 2009
10:12 am

For the BCS I would like to see a plus 1 system for the National Championship game where there are 5 BCS games pitting the top 10 rated teams against each other. The matchups would be simple 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4, 5 vs 7, 6 vs 8, and 9 vs 10. The championship game would be between the winners of 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4, which could result in the number 3 & 4 team playing for the championship. So if you want a shot at the NC your goal is finish in the top 4 and if you want a BCS bowl finish in the top 10.

Next comes the question of where these games are played. I think a system of bids for the matchups should be used. Each BCS bowl would bid for NC game and for the position matchups.

The rest of the bowl games should match the best of the conferances with a change where the conferance rotated so the same conf didn’t play year after year.

Then the issue of filling the stands should be addressed. There is nothing more dishearting than to see a bowl game with empty stands. All of these games need to be jam-packed even if it takes selling tickets at 1/4-1/2 price and giving free beer and popcorn. The beer and popcorn was used as an example to show this needs to be a top piority.

Before we get off the BCS I would also like to see the ranking system to have a final BCS ranking after all the bowl games are played and that is where the teams are ranked at the start of the next season. You shouldn’t have to wait the next year for BCS ranking to come out as the system should flow right into the first game of the season.

THis thing with Mike Leach is really a mess. Forget Urban Meyer because Texas Tech just slam-dunked Mike Leach. I guess it just shows that any of us and be here today and gone tomorrow depending on whose toes we step on.

Miami just got beat by a better team. There is something to be said about those big old boys from the mid-west.

I for one would like to see a rule change about underclassmen declaring for the draft. Even though Eric Berry has all the tools and will most likely contribute right off in the NFL everybody who leaves early are not so gifted. Makes you wonder if Stafford sometimes wonders if his 41M was worth the beating be has taken this year.


December 31st, 2009
10:31 am

My last comment to wolverine and everyone else. Sure Florida only had 1 loss this year, and that was to #1 Alabama, but you have to come up with a system that
1) makes sense every year
2) isn’t subject to the whims of pollsters opinions
and 3) would actually get approved by all the various stakeholders.


December 31st, 2009
11:27 am

You’re just upset that Georgia was “denied” the NC in 2007. They were “denied” because of the games that they LOST. Get over it.

Dave R

December 31st, 2009
11:35 am

I think any playof system or psuedo-playoff system, even a ‘pure plus 1′ (adding one more BCS game, then pick the BCS title game participants after the bowls) would be better than the current system, but some seriously flawed proposals always seem to turn up in playoff threads

1 – non-power-of-2 playoffs; byes are a huge, huge advantage in football playoffs — despite all the efforts the NFL does to ensure parity, the teams that get a first-round bye in the playoffs win 3/4 of the time, so any system with byes for top seeds is pretty nearly giving the teams that get byes a free pass on to the next round.

2 – 8 team or smaller playoffs that give autobids to the BCS autobid conference champs. Between ties for conference and division titles, high-quality teams from non-autobid conferences, and independents, there are pretty much always more than two teams that are far more deserving than the one or two lowest-ranked BCS conference champions.

3 – Proposing that conferences be ‘forced’ to play a championship game. Unless you’re also going to force radical realignment of FBS into ten 12-team conferences (and force ND, Army, and Navy into conferences), this is pretty much impossible. You need 12 teams to play a championship game, the expansion options for the Big East are poor and would wreck CUSA, expanding the Pac 10 would gut the MWC, expanding the MWC would destroy the WAC, and getting viable conference or two out of what’s left of CUSA, the WAC, and the Sun Belt would be messy.


December 31st, 2009
12:07 pm

Where to begin.

So, the survery doesnt matter, huh? I guess in Tony’s World, the only surveys that matter are the ones that portray the BCS is a positive way.

With Tony, it’s always about the money…and the lies.

First, the BCS is a cartel (
Fraudulent and corrupt by its very definition.
That makes BCS “defenders” like Barnhart just corrupt liars.
But, I digress.

In every single other sport…at every single other level…in every other corner of the world…A REAL Champion is determined by a playoff. Period.

BCS defenders should call themselves…”The Flat-Earth Society.”

It’s only those that benefit from the corrupt system that seek to “maintain & continue” the corrupt system…in any endeavor, including college football and the BCS.

The model for an FBS/D1-A playoff system ALREADY EXISTS.
It’s called the FCS (D1-AA) (

Next, on the firing of Mike Leach:

Most “sportwriters” (including EVERYONE at ESPN) seem to have forgotten, the very same university that just fired Mike Leach……

And, just in case you forgot, TxTech hired Bobby Knight, after Indiana ultimatley fired him after many issues, including Knight being videotaped…choking one of his players at a practice.”

And TxTech, now find Leach’s action on Adam James unacceptable?
WHAT…A…PH*CKING…JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could the Adam James “punishment” have been handled better? Sure.
Was it a “fireable” offense. No. Several CURRENT NCAA HC’s have done MUCH worse, and not been fired.

This was an intentional, political “hit” on Leach. TxTech Football program will now simply and quickly begin to implode, which is EXACTLY what the Big 12 “money powers” wanted. TxTech was a complete “backwater” until Leach showed up, and that didnt sit too well with the Big 12 “money powers” at Texas, OK, and TxA&M, who had begun losing to KU and TxTech. TxTech win over Texas direclty cost Texas a shot a the BCS-NC game in 2008. How does an 11-1 TxTech team that beat #1 Texas not even get a BCS bid? Big 12 politics, thats how.

ESPN keeps playing a statement from a current TxTech OL player about how “happy” he and all the TxTech players are that Leach is out.

What ESPN is “purposely & conveniently” NOT REPORTING is that on 17 different, well-established and reputbale BIG 12, TxTech, and West Texas sportsblogs…and West Texas sportstalk radio…CURRENT AND RECENT/FORMER TxTech AND other BIG 12 players are completely “killing” Adam James, and the TxTech Adminstration.

Several current and former TxTech players, including former star QB Graham Harrel, the current TxTech OL coach, and the current TxTech WRs Coach are out PUBLICLY describing how truly awful Adam James was a teammate, player, and student.

Based on whats being WRITTEN & SAID PUBLICLY by his own teammates, James should be careful he doesnt get a “CODE RED” experience. His days at TxTech are numbered.

Very quickly we’re gonna hear how Adam James is transferring to SMU, (his Dad’s alma mater) because….the evnvironment at TxTech has become so disruptive and “poisoned” that he cant focus on his studies and athletics…blah, blah, blah.

I find it a bit “interesting” that the ONLY (2) Big 12 HC’s that PUBLICLY complained the most about how “rigged” and “tilted” the Big 12 had become towards programs like Texas, OK, and TxA&M (the “money programs”)have both been recently fired for rather “dubious” reasons. KU’s HC gets fired because he was “injuring his players’ self-esteem” ?? WTH !?

Well, America certainly is headed down the toliet.
Looks like D1 College Football is headed in the same direction.

Josh Grimm

January 3rd, 2010
2:01 am

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January 3rd, 2010
7:52 am

Top 8 ranked teams??? Ranked by who?? Biased coaches?? Sports writers that so many of you posters consider idiots?? How about a computer program written by the Tech NERDS?? Win or stay home!!! Florida lost to Alabama! Alabama in, Florida out!!! Conference championships should mean something. within a year or two there will be 8 12 or 14 team conferences an every thing will work out. Win your conference go on, don’t win stay home.

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