Legends poll should be added to BCS

 

I’ve got some advice for our friends at the BCS. In 2010 you will begin a new four-year contract with ESPN. If you’re going to keep the same format and selection process, and the contract says you will, how about an upgrade of the human polls that currently make up two-thirds of your formula?

Currently you have 59 coaches voting in the USA Today Coaches poll. We don’t have enough space, not even on the internet, for me to point out all of the inconsistencies in that poll. The coaches will readily admit that they don’t see very much college football other than their own team and their opponent each week.  Their poll reflects that. The ballots are also secret until the very last one. Secrecy should not be a part of the BCS process.

The Harris Interactive Poll voters are an interesting collection of former players, administrators and current media. There have been some interesting votes there are well.

The Associated Press media poll, the granddaddy of all polls, is the most credible of the group but decided, rightfully so, that it needed to get out of the BCS business to maintain that credibility.

 

Let’s face it. After USC finished No. 1 in both human polls in 2003 but did not get into the BCS championship, the powers that be changed the formula so that two thirds of it would rely on the human polls. The reality is that the two teams  at the top of the human polls at the end of the season are pretty much going to be the two teams who play for the national championship. The computer polls, which account for only one third of the formula, would have to be wildly different to change that outcome.

So if the human polls are going to mean that much, why not try to make them the best they can be? Why not call on people who know the game of football better than anybody? Why not get people who actually have time to watch a lot of football every week?

I present to you the Legends Poll. The poll is made up of 17 of the best former coaches in the country. The list includes Vince Dooley, Pat Dye, R.C. Slocum, Terry Donahue,  John Robinson, John Cooper, and R.C. Slocum, just to name a few.

 

Each coach is assigned a couple of teams to follow closely and they receive DVDs of many games from around the country. After studying the video, the coaches meet on a conference call to discuss those teams in great detail. Then collectively they file their ballots and release their poll. All ballots are public. The results are posted each week by our friends at The Sporting News.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-11-15/legends-poll-who-comes-after-big-3

 

I had the opportunity to listen in on the conference call this week. Trust me when I tell you that these guys know their stuff.

“It’s an interesting process and a very thorough process,” said Dooley, the Hall of Fame coach from Georgia. “A coach looks at video with a careful eye. By the time we finish our discussion, we feel like we’ve given all the teams a very honest assessment.”

The Legends poll began several years ago under the title of the Master Coaches Survey. Andy Curtin, who is the administrator of the poll, has been lobbying the BCS to include the poll in its formula.

“These coaches know the game better than anybody and they have the time and the skill to really dig deep and analyze these teams,” said Curtin. “We’ve been very clear. We believe they should be a part of the BCS process.”

 

As the BCS moves forward into the next four-year cycle, I’m suggesting this is something the conference commissioners should consider.  What would be wrong with adding a fourth element to the formula? Collectively, these men have 369 years of head coaching experience. Wouldn’t it make sense to take advantage of that experience?  It seems to me that it is an untapped resource that would help the credibility of a process that still remains the subject of much debate and scorn among college football fans.

 

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Nachos

November 17th, 2009
7:38 am

tony's a homer

November 17th, 2009
7:40 am

Want to bet the legends poll had uga ahead of lsu in 2007.

Gold Whitey

November 17th, 2009
7:51 am

What would happen is that all these former coaches would start being interviewed by the media for their choices and being guests on college gameday and then all the sudden they are voting with the same bias everyone else is. The bias that says USC, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and the entire SEC are the best regardless of what they’ve done that year or who they have played.

Big time?? Not

November 17th, 2009
7:54 am

Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes

bigdawg01

November 17th, 2009
7:54 am

Slow Day, huh. ZZZZZZZ. BCS is not going to change, too much $$$$$ involved.

Bamboozled

November 17th, 2009
7:54 am

I’ve got a better idea, you know that thing called a “playoff”, yeah the one that 1-AA, Div II & III use to determine their NC…That seems to be a easy fix. We have a bunch of college Presidents and conf commish’s who do not see the light.

jablonski

November 17th, 2009
7:55 am

4 tickets, 4 cokes, 4 hot dogs and a mugging!!!!

BCS

November 17th, 2009
8:02 am

Congratulations to GA TECH: current Georgia State Champion, North Carolina State Champion, and Virginia State Champion.

Burdell

November 17th, 2009
8:03 am

Tech at #6 in the Legends Poll…I like it already! But they are still people…and people sometimes have agendas. Let’s decide it on the field…Plus 3 playoff.

GO JACKETS!!

Nativebird

November 17th, 2009
8:04 am

You’ll never lose the appearance of bias in your new Legends poll either. Bottome line, regardless of the integrity each of these greats have earned, they DID in fact coach for a school, a conference, a region of the country…and like all of us, they DO have bias, (just like reporters).

As much as everyone wants to get around the preverbial elephant in the room…this excersize and ALL excersizes with these polls only illustrate ONE thing, A PLAYOFF system is THE only way to truly find a National Champion of the year.

Burdell

November 17th, 2009
8:05 am

Big Time?? Not…don’t worry Mark Fox will get a few conference wins this year…you’ll start selling some tickets without the promotions.

SimpleDawg

November 17th, 2009
8:05 am

The legends would probably do better than what we have going currently.

What do we do with the 6 undefeated teams we’re likely to have this year?

I’m thinking that TCU and Cincy could hang with Florida, Bama, and Texas….Boise State, not so much. But if 2 more teams were added to the mix – maybe GIT & another 1 loss team – then we could have a nice little 8 team tourney to decide it on the field. We could still use the bowls to playoff the teams, actually making some of them much more relevant than they are in the present format, and still use the majority of the bowls for the other highly rated teams not in the Championship Series.

It could work, but no one will go for it.

R.C. Slocum

November 17th, 2009
8:07 am

I’m mentioned twice in the list of coaches because I get 2 votes.

Eric

November 17th, 2009
8:07 am

Polls should be decided by computers, not humans with human emotions, human biases and human errors. Okay, if you insist, include the Legends Poll as half of the equation.

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Eastside Jacket

November 17th, 2009
8:08 am

R.C. Slocum gets two votes? Sounds biased already.

jambee

November 17th, 2009
8:11 am

All polls are biased. A true champion cannot be determined by a poll.

Tree top

November 17th, 2009
8:13 am

Stupid idea. You think these old men, many who are near death, would be good voters? You think they have nothing going on Saturdays. They have family trips. Reunions. Grandkids come over. They don’t sit around watching football all week. Here’s what you do tony. You pay a 20-30 year old..there’s plenty of them unemployed, who sits around watching football all weekend long. And he makes $250 a day to vote. Cause he knows who’s playing the best who’s the best more than some grandad who left the game quarter century ago.

Mr. Phoenix

November 17th, 2009
8:14 am

$1.00 B/B tickets, free tee shirt, drunk 18 yr. old throwing up on your back.

Eastside Jacket

November 17th, 2009
8:15 am

My quick rundown of The Legends voters shows 4 of the 17 (24%) with SEC ties, one of the 17 (6%) with ACC ties.

Imagine that.

LegendsShouldSimplyRetire

November 17th, 2009
8:16 am

Has anyone looked at how the Legends voters have voted each week this year? Shoot just last week one of these supposed legends had GT ranked 14th! How could anyone justify that??? Most vote the conferences from which they spent the majority of their career much higher than the teams warrant. One had LSU ranked 4th last week!!! When a member of the press votes with such distortion it generally is an outlier due to the number of voters. So unless the “legends” poll adds about another 50 coaches the poll is useless and should only be used when you are in some serious desparation in a restroom without toilet paper.

Kerr

November 17th, 2009
8:18 am

Polls should be used to determine ranking but not who wins a championship. A playoff should have been brought 20 years ago. I went to Ga southern. We had playoffs. Yet my friends who went to Uga and tech didn’t. How stupid is that? Enough with the shenanigans. The fans need to start a campaign to let these pricks know we are tired of the bcs and the way college football determines a champion. We are the only major team sport that doesn’t have a playoff. Lets start a campaign where we don’t go to the bowl games. Stop watching the bowl games. Just say nah, get a playoff. We do that and these jerkoffs will change their ways. We have the control. They don’t.

ZamBonE

November 17th, 2009
8:19 am

The Coaches Poll is the first thing that needs to be removed from the bcs. The coaches are too busy coaching their team and watching film on their opponents to watch and rank teams they don’t play. The coaches will always vote higher for the teams that they face or are in conference with because they are the only teams they see every year and it improves their strength of schedule which makes their team look better than they may be. Any coach that spends time watching any footballs games other than their own or their next opponent should not be coaching at the collegiate or professional level. The coaches poll has major flaws and needs to have ZERO influence on bcs rankings.

Go Jackets

Eric

November 17th, 2009
8:19 am

I like to smoke penis ;)

m

November 17th, 2009
8:19 am

Tony…just another one of your stupid ideas.

The BCbcs is so flawed that it cannot be fixed. The contracts need to be voided and we need a 16 team playoff immediately. GET OPINIONS OUT OF FOOTBALL. ON THE FIELD RESULSTS ONLY!!!

If we had a 16 team playoff this year…it would be the most exciting sporting event in history. And NO ONE could predict how it would turn out.

Also, did you find it interesting that when Coach Mullen was invterviewed after the Alabama game, he was asked who he thought the best teams were since the had played 4 of the Top 15 teams? He said that he Alabama was the best team they had played and Georgia Tech was the second best team they had played (remember they played floriduh too.)

Get rid of the BSbcs and the human polls altogether…NOW.

D

November 17th, 2009
8:21 am

Here’s an idea……8 teams 3 weekends then we have a real NC.

Tom

November 17th, 2009
8:21 am

$5 basketball tickets. Free Tshirt!! Free apple pie with ticket stub!!
Drunk guy passes out in Five guys burger bathroom two weeks in a row!!

This is the university of jawja.

Jay

November 17th, 2009
8:24 am

How about just keeping the 4 main bowl for an eight team playoff. Then you only have 3 more games after those are played. And they are played between christmas and new years. Very simple.

SadDawg

November 17th, 2009
8:29 am

Tony, it makes so much sense that the BCS will NEVER do it!!

Ron Mexico

November 17th, 2009
8:35 am

Legends poll (assuming RC Slocum only votes once) being added to the BCS formula is a step in the right direction, but any poll with only 17 members is inherently flawed. But it’s gotta be better than the Harris poll. What we need is a TRUE Harris poll, where anyone named Harris gets a vote. That would provide the diversity and volume to get a true ranking.

Concerned

November 17th, 2009
8:35 am

4 of 17 from the SEC, and 1 of 17 from the ACC…If it is called the Legends Poll, how did the ACC get 1 football coach qualified?

Eureka!

November 17th, 2009
8:36 am

I’ve got it!

BCS, under a pay-for-view format produced by Vince McMahon, expands to inlcude:

- current BCS components

- the “Legends”

- a new element – the “thugs”
(consisting of current and former playas, such as the Vick brothers, Pacman, T.O., the Tennessee 3, Me-Angel-O, etc.)

Begin publicity about the time the NBA season starts (to ride with the thug atmosphere of that outfit) and have trash talking prior to each weekly BCS poll release, building up to…

BCS pairings, which should occur in an open ring with a free for all King of the Ring type of thing, maybe a cage match.

Then, the bowls are re-named..

Cotton Bowl? The “New AT&T Texas Death Match”

Sugar Bowl? “Katrina Bailout Bowl”

BCS Championship Broadcast Team? Ric “Nature Boy” Flair, Randy “Macho Man” Savage, a couple of others. The teams can be “managed” by trash talkers like Deon Sanders. The opposing teams steal each other’s women at halftime, etc.

Since the BCS, and college football, is all about money now, we may as well have a little fun – turn it all over to the master mind behind the WWE.

chazzo

November 17th, 2009
8:36 am

The only legitimate and decisive way is a playoff system. Beyond that, sure thow in the Legends poll.

RxDawg

November 17th, 2009
8:37 am

While were at it….there should be an 8 team playoff at the end of the season.

Gen Neyland

November 17th, 2009
8:38 am

Bias is still bias and will always be bias. Are we to ass-u-me they’ll follow the teams, watch DVD’s etc without taking a paycheck for their time and effort..? Money and votes. The American way.

Legends poll NOT

November 17th, 2009
8:38 am

as if Vince Dooley would ever vote for GT in any poll, no he would not, a biased selection before your evern out of the gate

SadDawg

November 17th, 2009
8:39 am

m, I’d like to see some kind of playoff also, but do you really think a playoff will make everybody happy? It would be as controversial as what we have now. Can you imagine the outrage of the 4 or 5 teams that get left out of the playoff, whether it includes 4, 8. or 16 teams? Just can’t make everbody happy all of the time…

Legends poll NOT

November 17th, 2009
8:39 am

give CPJ a playoff, and give it to him now! Let’s all petition the NCAA or BCS

SEC powerhouse NOT

November 17th, 2009
8:42 am

bad idea, you SEC coaches and writers already have your minds made up on who is the superior team, you look down at the ACC and would vote that way, same with the Big Ten coaches etc….need to implement a playoff system …

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:42 am

Poll the odds-makers in Vegas. At least that would please all of the gambling addicts who mistakenly think that they’re football fans.

Some unknown

November 17th, 2009
8:44 am

Why do people make this more complicated than it has to be. The ap poll is all that is needed. Do an 16 team playoff that begins two weeks after the conf champs. The 8 bowls are the 4 bcs, cap one, chik fila, sun and cotton. Then it’s 8 teams left, then 4 and then your champ. The teams that don;t make the 8 bowls play in lesser tier bowls that start early dec and are on during off days. It’s not that hard.

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
8:45 am

Tony, the polls STILL have too much “relative thinking” in them based on where a team STARTED the season in the polls. I suggest that teams like Stanford are under-rated (because they were unranked at the start) and teams like OSU, USC, Oregon and others are OVER-rated because of where they started the season.

I’ll buy your idea ….. IF …. they have a pre-season poll for fun and giggles, and THEN … DON’T VOTE AGAIN UNTIL after the 3rd week of October.

Of course, this is only the SECOND best option.

The BEST option is an 8 Team Playoff.

-SJ

bamafan

November 17th, 2009
8:46 am

And how does the Legends poll differ from the Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll, both of which you (TONY) criticized?

Craig

November 17th, 2009
8:46 am

Sad dawg
16 team playoff there would be no one complaining like there is today. Even an 8 team playoff would work as no team currently ranked 9th or higher has any chance or any reason to think they are the best in the country. Use two polls to determine. AP and computer.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
8:50 am

I hope GT plays tcu. Then when we win, it will be us and bama as the two best teams. Just too bad we can’t play one more to see who the Champ is. Even Miss St coach said GT was the second best team he played.

Tide Rising

November 17th, 2009
8:50 am

Good idea Tony. But I would still always like to see a third of the formula to be an unbiased computer that ranks teams based on strength of schedule, quality of wins and losses, conference strength, etc.

GatorMatt

November 17th, 2009
8:51 am

Sounds like a great idea, Tony! It’s a shame there’s no person/entity that the fans can lobby to get something like this at least considered.

BankerDawg

November 17th, 2009
8:51 am

Well said, StraightJacket.

The main “problem” is that of preseason polls that are based largely on old data from the previous season. No meaningful poll should be released until October, as you stated.

I don’t see what the Legends poll would add to the process. If we think the current polls are biased, I cannot imagine what these old gents would contribute in the area of objectivity:

The list includes Vince Dooley, Pat Dye, R.C. Slocum, Terry Donahue, John Robinson, John Cooper, and R.C. Slocum, just to name a few.

I would guess these guys would be even more biased….they’ve got preconceived notions that go back several hundred years combined!!

No thanks.

Give me a later poll and a playoff, thank you very much.

GOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS! SIC ‘EM!

Steve

November 17th, 2009
8:52 am

Tony,

I was just thinking about the BCS this morning along with the other changes college football has seen since I was a kid back in the 1970’s. The BCS isn’t perfect, but what would we be saying if we still had the old system of 1979 in place? Florida would be 11-0 along with Alabama, TCU, Texas, Cincinnatti and Boise St. Alabama and Florida would NOT face each other in an SEC Championship game (that game didn’t exist in 1979) and one of those two teams would be locked into the Sugar Bowl. The other team would go to the Cotton or possibly the Orange Bowl. TCU and Texas most likely would have played one another in the old Southwest Conference, but the winner would be locked into a Cotton Bowl trip. Who knows where Cincy and Boise St. would have ended up, but my bet is that it wouldn’t be against Texas, Florida or Alabama. So what you have is not only an unclear national picture, but even the SEC title is in question. My guess is that the Cotton Bowl winner would have been #1 in the AP poll and the Sugar Bowl winner would have been #1 in the old UPI poll. Thank god we don’t have that old system in place today. At least the BCS clears up a few of these questions on the field with conference championship games and computer rankings that consider things like strength of schedule. Is it perfect, heck no!

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jacketbacker

November 17th, 2009
8:55 am

need a playoff…..until then, this is indeed a MYTHICAL national championship excercise….

C tha 1

November 17th, 2009
8:55 am

A playoff is the only true way to determine a National Champion…simple.

Tony,
On a separate subject there was a blog that posed the question of who were the greatest all time top five college and/or high school head football coaches in the state of Georgia. Of course Vince Dooley was number one with Erk Russel being a close second. I believe Mark Richt actually squeeked in at number 5 or so, but with the recent success of Paul Johnson at GT combined with his past success at GA Southern, do you believe he should be included in such a loaded discussion of Greatest Head Football Coach in the State of GA? Technically he has the credentials with the multiple National Championships to his resume’ and building GT into a respectable program. Your thoughts? Oh yeah, I’m a UGA grad c/o 07.

Bama Aaron

November 17th, 2009
8:56 am

Let’s see….remove the coaches poll, which is basically coaches assistants and/or admistrators who rarely watch other teams and probably have their own agenda. And replace it with the Legends poll….a small group of old timers who probably still hold old grudges from their playing days and/or coaching days… frankly I don’t see how this makes the system better?
Until we have a playoff it doesn’t matter which poll you use they’re all going to be flawed.

Lance

November 17th, 2009
8:59 am

What are all the Techmites going to say when they get beat by one of the worst UGA teams of the past decade at home? Do you think they will even admit it happened? I said at the beginning of the year UGA would lose 4 games and Tech would not be one of them — it will happen.
PS– CPJ will also bolt for another school within 3 years as Tech always has been and always will be nothing more than a stopping point in a coaches resume. They all want to move to much bigger and better opportunities.

im4bama

November 17th, 2009
9:00 am

I’d be all for the Legends getting a say. They obviously know what they are doing, because they ranked the top 10 exactly like I would. I know this will sound biased to you fella’s, but Bama should be #1 and Georgia Tech should be ranked ahead of Boise State and Pitt should be at 10.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
9:01 am

The BCS is a mess until it gets to the championship game. The final result however seems to be correct. Does anyone feel in the last 10 years that there was a team better or (more deserving) to be at the top than the team that actually won it all. Seriously – look at this. And don’t say UGA over LSU in 07. You don’t win your conference you don’t go. Boise St. should never be considered until they play at least a mediocre schedule. Auburn in 04′ makes the most serious case and their sacrafice made sure that no undefeated SEC team would ever be left out again but I still don’t see them getting by USC who destroyed OU in that championship game that year. So who? All this bitching but the formula works when deciding the final outcome. A playoff will ruin college football. It will ruin the regular season.

spectator

November 17th, 2009
9:01 am

The AP poll (sportwriters and broadcasters vote) is the LEAST reliable of all. These are people who know little or nothing about the game and vote for teams they have never seen.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:02 am

Pre-season polls reflect where the teams stood at the end of the previous season combined with conjecture regarding coaching changes and new recruits. No programmer is yet skilled enough to write a program that includes human intuition — hence the computer rankings are inevitably flawed.

All of you guys proposing playoff schemes seem to think that you are geniuses who have just invented the concept. Playoffs are just as flawed as are polls. The only people calling for playoffs are the ones whose teams aren’t ranked as high in the polls as they would prefer. if you are truly opposed to polling, then your playoff system must include every team that wins enough games to qualify — there can be no judgment call based upon the quality of the games played. USC over OSU would be exactly equal to Vandy over MSU. You can’t say that the “top sixteen” in the polls should get an invitation to the tournament if the poll is an opinion poll. A true, non-opinion based playoff would not be feasible for 120 teams. If it were instituted, then the best team in the nation could drop a single game and be left out in the cold. It happens in the NFL.

If you don’t like the way that CFB chooses a champion, then take Coach Johnson’s advice and stop buying tickets, stop buying merchandise and stop watching the games on TV. Otherwise, just shut up and cheer for your favorite team.

I'm just saying ...

November 17th, 2009
9:04 am

the BCS seemed like a great solution in the beginning b/c it appeared to have figured out the arbitrary decision of who #1 was after the four big bowls we’d all become accustomed to.

When you look back now at the way it was BEFORE the current BCS (crooked) system you see just how crazy it was back then. Well, it’s even crazier now, except it’s obvioiusly flawed, if not (arguably) fixed. With the HUGE contract signed this year between the SEC and the BCS, ESPN, ABC, SEC TV, etc, coupled with the questionable officiating in games involving FL, AL, LSU (GA game unsportsmanlike penalty) it’s easy to speculate the crookedness in the BCS. They’ve got all their “eggs” in the SEC basket, and you better damn believe they [BCS] are going to have an SEC team in the title game.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:05 am

Steve the conf champ in the sec came long before the bcs was invented. It’s funny that the scenario you gave is exactly what we need but add 3 more games to it and you have a friggin playoff.

im4bama

November 17th, 2009
9:06 am

Still, a plus one game, is all that is needed to get everything right. No more than four teams are actually deserving to claim they chance for the prize. Soft conferences and schedules negate the right for claim.

Dave from GT

November 17th, 2009
9:06 am

Weren’t these the guys who said that CPJ’s offense would never work against even a second rate SEC team like UGA?

Besides, any poll with VD would end up biased against GT !

GT76

November 17th, 2009
9:08 am

+1 playoff is the answer. If not,

no polls till end of September/early October and must be public

replace coaches with legends, increase legends to 20-25 with equal spread around the country.

jumbeauxtiger

November 17th, 2009
9:11 am

The Coaches Poll is not credible and should not be used. Many of the coaches have someone in the athletic department such as SIDs submit their ballot. I would have more faith in the Legends.

This is the year the Plus One model is needed. Not all of the current unbeatens would get in but at least it would be more equitable. That said though what would be the chance of the Florida-Alabama loser being ranked 4th under this scenario and squeezing out one of the other teams? In this situation the NC game could actually be a replay of the SECCG. I still would prefer this system over what we have now. I don’t like an 8 team playoff as I just think there is a dropoff when you expand it that much. Then it becomes like the NFL where a 9-7 club can make it to the Super Bowl.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

rowdy von wompington

November 17th, 2009
9:12 am

the BCS doesn’t care about credibility. The BCS only cares about money.

rowdy von wompington

November 17th, 2009
9:13 am

and there should be no pre-season rankings

Dan

November 17th, 2009
9:14 am

Tony, it’s hard to take a poll seriously when they have Penn St (who had beaten up on a bunch of girl scout troops) ranked #12 and Notre Dame still receiving votes…

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:14 am

Georgia and Georgia Tech currently have a playoff system in place for the State Championship.

If Georgia wins that playoff game, then I suspect that all of the Tech fans will be on this blog the very next day saying: “Yes indeed, Georgia is a better team than is Tech this year — they proved it on the field of play.”

Because, you know, none of the previous games count for anything once the mystically determinative Playoff Game has occurred.

No brainer

November 17th, 2009
9:14 am

A playoff system is the only answer. What are the big boys so afraid of huh?

GT fan....

November 17th, 2009
9:18 am

Lance, get your head out of your arse!

Okay, so you say PJ is going to be so good at GT that he’s going to leave in a few more seasons, but yet one GA’s worst teams is going beat his team this season. Nice logic….

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:20 am

No brainer,

It’s obvious. The “big boys” are afraid that those little nerds with their pocket protectors are gonna go all Ninja on them and rip their beating hearts right out of their chests.

I happens all the time in the movies…

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:21 am

It happens…

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
9:21 am

I do think the BCS system needs to be tweaked but I am against a playoff.I really believe a playoff would ruin college football and ruin and change the way the regular season is played.A plus 1 type system could work but anything more than that and college football is ruined IMO.I am not against change either I can look at college basketball and realize a playoff would not change who wins the NC it is the big named schools not the little named teams that might make it in but lose.So why change and ruin college football to get the same result?Florida was the best team last year and Utah would’nt have beat them.I thought a playoff would crown a real champ team? Well it would still be the big named schools meanwhile college football is ruined.

Randy Marsh

November 17th, 2009
9:25 am

A simple playoff would be the 6 major conference champions plus 2 at-large teams for an 8 team regional playoff. Games would be at pre-determined stadium. Rd 1-ACC champ vs. Big East champ, SEC vs. east at-large (TCU), Big 12 champ vs. Big 10 champ, Pac-10 champ vs. west at-large (Boise st). Who wouldn’t want to watch that? And shorten the season back to 10 or 11 games to play the first 2 rounds before Xmas and have the championship game after new year’s. Do we really need 12 games to see GA play TN Tech and FL play Charleston Southern? I know, it’ll never happen!!!

JB

November 17th, 2009
9:26 am

OFF SUBJECT, BUT…………………………………………………………. Just read on Rivals Georgia page that the number one DB in the country from Florida, a kid named Joyner, was at the Ga/AU game, loved it and LOVES coach Martinez…..UH OH…………………..Yes, I’ll take a new DC over signing this kid. Any Amen’s ?

Let's Go

November 17th, 2009
9:27 am

A Playoff is not going to happen and all the whining in the world will not change a thing. Think about how the BCS was started and then give me one reason why they would want to change anything about it.

4 conferences get together and decide to come up with a plan to rake in millions of dollars by selling this “so called” national championship game every year to the highest bidder. The kicker is we don’t have to share the money with any other conference but to be on the safe side let’s get Norte Dame to go in with us and you know what within 2 years the stuffy old Big 10 will come on board and bring the PAC 10 with them. The plan worked like magic until a couple of politicians cried foul and then the powers that be amended the rules to sometimes let other teams participate but just to be on the safe side we will made really hard, add another game, and ask for more money. Worked like magic again and we got more money because FOX got involved and out bid everyone else and even though they lost money on the deal the price was set and all that followed would have to pay.

See, as long as there is millions to be made it’s not going to change and anyone that thinks they will change it because the fans want it or “it’s the right thing to do” is living in a dream world. Even if congress got involved, and I hope that never happens, they would just revert back to the old way of doing business and let the bowls start out bidding each other for the best game.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:27 am

A plus 1 playoff game would be fine by me. I don’t think that ANY system would bring an end to controversy. If I had my druthers, then any proposed system would be finalized on New Year’s Day. At the rate we’re going, CFB will soon be a year round affair and the “season” will never end.

R

November 17th, 2009
9:27 am

I agree that there needs to be a change, the current system is a joke. Ans as much as I respect the opinions of the coaches in the Legends Poll, there are still a few things that I question. For example, they currently have an 8-2 OK State at 13, nine places ahead of an 8-2 Houston team who beat them pretty handily. They also have Oregon (8-2) at 11 while Stanford (7-3) is at 15. It seams to me that in teams that are that close statistically, the advantage should go to the winner of the head-to-head matchup. Obviously there are other factors to consider as well as exceptions to this rule (i.e. a 3-7 team getting lucky and upsetting an 8-2 team). My point is, this poll has the same problems as any other poll, that people are voting instead of letting the on-field results determine the standings. As much as the presidents, commissioners and ADs are against the idea, there HAS to be a playoff. Every other sport, collegiate or professional, determines their champion by a playoff. Save the voting for competitions, not sports. This is, after all, football, not figure skating.

calvin

November 17th, 2009
9:28 am

Yeah, Vince Dooley at the top of the list. How nice.
Ever hear of Bobby Ross? Bill Curry?

m

November 17th, 2009
9:30 am

You all have to realize that Tony is a sec homer-gomer and is for the status quo because it insures a sec team is in the BS-bcs every year.

The sec is the weakest it has EVER been this year…but these sec homer-gomers still try to claim greatness that is OBVIOUSLY not there.

If we had a true 16 team playoff this year…there would not be a sec team in the finals. They are just not that good. It is just that floriduh and albammer are not quite as bad as the rest of the very bad sec.

The ACC beat the sec 6 out of 10 last year and will beat them 4 out of 7 this year. LIke I said…the sec is weak weak weak.

TECH is 2-0 in the sec and will be 3-0 after next weeks annual stomping of the dawgs.

Ask yourself this….who is the only team to beat 9-1 Pittsburgh…that’s right an ACC team (NC State).

Who is the only non-conference team to beat the red hot Stanford team…that’s right an ACC team (Wake Forest).

The ACC is much stronger top to bottom than the sec. And the results ON THE FIELD show it.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:31 am

Bill Curry?

That’s funny — I don’t care WHO you are!

;-)

Miles

November 17th, 2009
9:32 am

The Legends Poll? Oh, ok. Mr. Barnhart, you’re under arrest for public intoxication.

TommyGator

November 17th, 2009
9:32 am

Tony,

This is a real step down for you. Why go from a pool of 59 to a pool of 17? This smacks of ulterior motive!

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:34 am

Let’s just let m pick the NC. At least we wouldn’t have to wait so long to learn who gets the trophy. We could go ahead and award it on Labor Day.

EW

November 17th, 2009
9:34 am

Tony, I like the idea. Don’t know if it will gain any traction. I may be one of the few, but I think the BCS does a pretty good job of getting it right. It may not be a perfect system, but I don’ think there is one out there. I like the earlier post about how the BCS shakes out in the end, even if the path to get there is rocky. And I personally like the debate the BCS generates, what else would we have to talk about? For all the naysayers and critics, last I can remember, regardless of the system there is one formula for success: Win your games and the rest takes care of itself.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
9:35 am

Let’s Go,

So what! College football is what it is.Your probem is with where the mony is going which is a whole other issue that has nothing to do with improving college football.Money is going to be involved no matter what.So you take away money from somebody and then give it to somebody else but you have’nt chaanged anything because college football is ruined by a playoff and somebody else gets the money.And you have’nt solved anything.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
9:36 am

Changing the human polls would be fine, I doubt you would see much change in the rankings.

A playoff will ruin college football as it has basketball. Who watches Basketball until the Sweet 16 or later?

A plus one will only cause more problems see Tony’s articles during the spring.

The BCS has it correct more times than not and far more often than the bowl system before it.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
9:36 am

Stop making sense EW.

This is supposed to be a football blog…

SadDawg

November 17th, 2009
9:37 am

Amen. Amen.Amen.Amen., etc

Otto

November 17th, 2009
9:39 am

m, Who beat NC State? An SEC team.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:40 am

Randy what happens then if a team is say #4 in the country but not a conf winner. I disagree about the conf winner. Sometimes the conf winner is crap. WHy is it so damn difficult. Just do like div1aa. 16 freaking teams. And those that say it takes away from the reg season are idiots. BS. Think about the games that are played the last few weeks where a team is trying to get into the 13-16 spot that is just on the outside. Or a team that has a big game to end the season and is currently 15th. Or a team that is 7th and worried about losing home field. Give me a break. This would be 200000X more exciting than these stupid bowls and having to wait 40 days before the team even plays again./

McDawg

November 17th, 2009
9:42 am

as a legend in my own mind i would welcome the change

-if Texas loses Big 12-gotta go with TCU

EW

November 17th, 2009
9:44 am

m, annual stomping of the dogs huh? Yes you are 2-0 against the SEC’s Miss State and Vandy. Congrats, your world domination trophy awaits. I appreciate your passion for the ACC, but at least be realistic. You’re excited about an NC State team beating a Pitt team that needed an overturned call to hold off Notre Dame. And how has the rest of NC State’s season gone?? How about Wake (a team the jackets needed OT to beating Stanford? Now THERE’s something to brag about. You like to blast USC for being a media darling but you brag about your ACC beating a team that takes them to task when it’s to your benefit.

EW

November 17th, 2009
9:46 am

Coach O, my apologies. I will have m ghostwrite future entries to ensure nonsensical BS.

Frank

November 17th, 2009
9:46 am

Otto
are you insane? the first round of the tourney is the best day for basketball. and btw, sc barely beat a bottom nc state team.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:49 am

The only reason why the nfl can get boring at the seasons end IS BECAUSE there are no rankings. So a team can lock up a first round bye with 2-3 games left. That wouldn’t be the case with coll football. And teams would think twice about scheduling 3 cupcakes like bama, fla and texas did this year. There would be more of an emphasis on strength of schedule.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:50 am

Otto
What makes the ncaa tourney so much fun? Doing the bracket. And you’d be able to do the same thing with coll football. 16 team playoff would make this sport much more exciting. The way it is now with these meaningless bowls and then having to wait 40+ days for your team to play SUCKS.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
9:51 am

Thomas,

As things stand now you can’t lose which means you have to bring your A game every week and by winning people see how legit the team is based on who they are playing and beating.With a playoff you could slack after you knew you were in the playoff, you could just play back-ups to prevent unjury.Example: Alabama could play back-ups in the Iron bowl against Auburn if we had a playoff.The teams that are ranked lower trying to get into the playoff you brought up would’nt stand a chance against the teams in the top 3 or so who have’nt lost especally if they play in a tough conference.A playoff would effect the regular season and ruin college football and not change who wins the NC.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:52 am

Ew
How about the debate where your team winds up in the final 16? How about trying to get the 8th spot for the first round and home field? How about trying to get seeded. Yeah that would be sooo boring. Not.

Old Dawg

November 17th, 2009
9:56 am

Tony, this is a great concept. Hope it happens!

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
9:56 am

tide
BS. That’s why you have seedings. And home field. And no way would bama slack off against auburn and vice versa. That game would still have huge importance. You’ve given a poor reason not to have it. I’ve given about 10 good reasons for it. And if bama were to “slack off” they risk being dropped to #9 and not having home field first round. Hardly a reason to “slack off”. You are trying to compare this to the NFL and it’s apples to oranges. CF has rankings. Not division winners.

Huh?!

November 17th, 2009
9:58 am

The AP poll might be the most credible poll to journalists, but that’s about where its credibility ends. Talk about bias. What a bunch of self serving garbage from hyprocrites who don’t know, and probably never played, the game.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
10:00 am

And how does a team like tcu, who many think could beat bama stand a chance? They’ve done everything asked of them so far. And they won’t get the chance if Texas wins. How fair is that? And sorry but you would have upsets in the first round. Just look at the ncaa bball tourney and how often a 1-2 seed loses in the sweet 16. Saying a 13-16 seed can’t beat a 1-4 is bs. Heck it happens in the reg season. You people against this are what is wrong with college football. The way it is now SUCKS. the bowl season is BORING. And look at the last few title games. they’ve been boring as hell. The 40 day layoff is one reason.

Doo dah- Doo dah

November 17th, 2009
10:00 am

I would like to see more emphasis in the weekly polls on strength of schedule. The teams that end up playing Charleston and Troy and directional state U need to be substantially penalized for not scheduling tougher opponents. Similarly playing tough out of conference foes should bring a premium. But then the only reasonable solution at year end is to have a playoff to decide the NC.

Doo dah- Doo dah

November 17th, 2009
10:02 am

PS Why in the world would I care what Vince Dooley or Pat Dye think about their one or two teams??? There are already far too many opinions out there with no credibility.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
10:02 am

thomas, here’s the problem – first off these kids are not NFL players and in no way can play the amount games in a season that would include a 16 team playoff. 2nd this is not div 1aa. Every major conference team needs at least 6 home games. Like it or not this is a business also. So now you have to cut your playoff scenario in half – lets say now 8 teams. OK still to many games imo. Also you know there is going to be just as much debate about who gets those last playoff spots as the NC right now. Most importantly like it or not it does hurt the regular season AND THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SPORT GREAT. You take away that and you destroy the history and mystique of the game where every week matters and the undefeated season is the ultimate goal. This is not the NFL.

G Force

November 17th, 2009
10:03 am

Let the best team be decided on the field, not in some fantasy land inside a writer’s or coaches (or legend’s ?) head. It’s time to bring in a plus 1 or some other playoff format.

GT GRAD

November 17th, 2009
10:03 am

Take most of the unfair bias out of the process. Use the computer polls average for 2/3 and the biased personal polls (Harris & Legends combination) for 1/6 and then use a schedule strength component for the remaining 1/6!! If you do not include the strength of schedule component, then any & all wins against teams who finish outside of the Top 100 do not count as wins and are not incuded in the process (apply this requirement to the computer & personal polls).

Use this improved selection process to determine the Top 8 teams. Use 4 of the 5 BCS bowls for the first round of the BCS 8 team playoff. Two teams selected by the BCS commitee (or #9 & #10 if you want to be fair) play in the consolation #5 BCS game. Two weeks later play two games using the 4 surviving teams from the top 8. Two weeks later (weekend before the Superbowl) we finally have a true National Championship game!!

Two teams play 2 extra games and two teams play 4 extra games. The BCS games are more interesting and the 3 additional playoff games are absolutely HUGE!!!! Create a rule that requires no practices for 7 days after the first & second round playoff games to allow players/stundents time for classroom activities.

Come on guys (BCS & NCAA), this is really NOT very difficult………..just do it!

Dave from GT

November 17th, 2009
10:03 am

I think that any poll should start with GT at number 1, and end with GT at number 1. As long as that happens, I don’t care about the rest.

Let's Go

November 17th, 2009
10:05 am

“With 16 teams you could have a non conference winner win the national championship”

If there was a 16 team playoff that is true but the first thing to go would be the ACC, SEC, & Big 12 playoff games. Why would a conference screw around with losing a team from the top 12 or in the SEC’s case this year you could have the top 2 teams and then not have them play until the National Championship game. Why would you chance a Texas team losing to Kstate or Nebraska and dropping 4 or 5 spots before the playoffs start? So if there was a playoff these 12 teams conferences would no longer need divisions.

Honest Abe

November 17th, 2009
10:11 am

Today’s entry from Tony is worth about as much as a Confederate dollar. That and some pocket change will get you a cup of coffee.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
10:12 am

Yes j dawg there is so much of a difference between Ga southern and S fla or Uga. You’re making lame excuses. And you can have your 6 home games and reduce the schedule to 11 games..gee that’s what it was 15 years ago.
You are right. This is not the nfl. We rank the teams. As I said before, you lose you risk dropping out or losing home field. This would not “ruin” college football. It would make it much more exciting. The excuses you make are what some bs bowl executive would make.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
10:16 am

I laugh at these idiots who say this is not the nfl. Look at college basketball. These kids play 2-3 games per week for 5 months. The CF season lasts 3-4 months. Then some kids play 4 games in 4 days in their conf tourneys. Just more excuses that don’t hold water. A playoff would be the best thing and those against it are the tired old ohio st, bama, fla texas usc jerkoffs who only get there because of the pollsters. tcu is the best team i;ve seen and many agree yet they will get no chance to prove it. yeah that’s fair.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
10:26 am

Who cares if a conf winner won the nat champ. Do wild card teams win the super bowl? Yes and do people whine? No. Do high seeds make the nba finals? yep. Do wild cards win baseball? Yep. Every sport has this. It’s all about how good you are at the END of the season. A playoff proves without a doubt who the best team is at the END of the season. It would make the preseason polls less important, which they should be anyway. Cause half the teams in the top 10 are gone by week 5 anyway. The pros for a playoff far outweigh any cons. And those that think the rivalry games wouldn’t mean as much, huh? You think Uga this year wouldn’t want to knock out tech or sc or fsu wouldn’t want to knock down or out clemson or fla. give me a collective break.

Huh?!

November 17th, 2009
10:29 am

This may not be the NFL, but it’s also not gymnastics and figure skating. Stop making it a subjectively scored beauty pageant. The players and teams should have a chance to decide the champion on the field.

Tech Fan Since 1950

November 17th, 2009
10:33 am

We do not need another poll. The BCS needs to be torn up into little pieces. What we need is a playoff!

gatorrashad

November 17th, 2009
10:34 am

Tony, when do you suppose this poll be released..if we are talking in season polls…much of this is done by 12pm est the day after Sat. games…how would a collection of old has been coaches..many of whom are half senile would watch a few dozen games and tapes of games to vote…..and why should the BCS be interested in adding a new poll when the one they have is working fine….didnt you get the memo.

Chris

November 17th, 2009
10:35 am

I’ve always enjoyed the bowls, but there is a big problem with how our NC is decided. Number one, ESPN has a bigtime agenda. They just purchased the TV rights for the SEC last year. BIG MONEY. So who do you think ESPN is going to want in the big game. Who does ESPN show every week. They are going to influence the voters as much as they can. IT’S TIME FOR A PLAYOFF PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Chester Lucks

November 17th, 2009
10:37 am

You could easily have an 8 team playoff over the first three weeks in January and determine a true National Champion. Consider the following bowl games: Rose, Holiday, Cotton, Fiesta, Orange, and Sugar bowls (chosen for geographic purposes — some homer may want to change the chick-fil-a for the holiday). Take the top 8 teams and seed them. 4 games would be played on New Years day, 2 games the week after, and the National Championship the week after that (basically mid-January). The six bowls would host the the first 6 games in a pre-determined, but permanent order — lets say that holiday,orange, cotton, and fiesta bowls hosted the quarterfinals, the rose and sugar the finals, and a 7th location (chosen much like the super bowl locations) to host the finals. The 8 teams would be comprised of 6 conference champions plus two at large teams.

The regular season would be shortened to 11 games. Most teams would play 11 games plus maybe one post season (bowl) game. About 8 other teams would play an additional game — their conference championship — a game 12. Of those teams up to 4 would play a second post season game (a game 13) and only up to 2 would play a game 14. The season would actually only be extended by one (playing weekend) and for only two teams. The financial reward would be clearly worth it and all of these games would land huge TV audiences (as well as be sell-outs).

Financially this would work out better for the 6 major conferences, would eliminate much of the poll jockeying and games played by pollsters and conference officials, and yield a true NC.

GT

November 17th, 2009
10:37 am

Lord now we are facilitating the drunk with a new alcohol. It is not bad enough that we refuse to do the obvious and get rid of all this bias and money grabbing crowd we have controlling the game, no we want to invite more to the party. We want more hanger oners to dictate to the real participates. I was not impressed with the way Dooley left Georgia, his ego was his compass, not his brain. These ex coaches number one are ex for a reason, but number two are trained bull s ers. They sound much better than they really are. Bill Curry who left Tech because it would never be a national power is a prime example. Tech today is a national power, Curry use that to try to hide his own greed of coaching at Alabama. It is a human disease we are fighting here Tony and I am beginning to think it is contagious because you are showing some of the symptoms. One being the bright lights cause temporary stupidity, at least I hope it is temporary.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
10:38 am

ok reduce the schedule to 11 games and have a playoff. Here’s what happens. Teams like TCU, Boise St and Utah do well because they play nobody. They’re fresh and they upset a 1 2 or 3 seed and now we get a weak championship game. CFB realizes this and teams start playing softer schedules in the regular season just in order to make sure they are 1) in the top 16 and 2) fresh for the playoffs. Now we have ruined the regular season. CFB is just like basketball. The reason basketball works is bc the sport is not as physical so they play 30 some odd games a season. Don’t dismiss the regular season in CFB. That is the real playoff anyway.

Navigator

November 17th, 2009
10:38 am

Coaches were in conferences and still have ties, so you really think they are going to vote without bias. Barnhart, you’ve got to be kidding!!! There are no unbiased polls, but if you get enough of them you tend to get the averaging affect. Coaches are coaches, period, and there bias is there yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Had it not been for the coaches poll, that cheating Big 8 conference would have gotten Colorado a unanimous championship. Remember twice they got five downs to win close games: once by not counting the 4th down and the second by a mystery penalty, and yes Colorado did lose, and yes Colorado should have lost to Nebraska, they lobbied for (8-3) Notre Dame because they didn’t want to play Tech. Add up all of the biases of National Writers, and you think the coaches do worse?

C. Tampa Ironworse

November 17th, 2009
10:42 am

Comic Book Guy says “Dumbest Idea Ever”…

bhamwreck

November 17th, 2009
10:45 am

Pat Dye? Really? Tony – this is not one of your better moments of column writing. We need a playoff – get the AP back into the mix and take the top 8 teams. period.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
10:47 am

Thomas, NCAA tourney ratings have been falling. Basketball does not get the press it did in the mid 90s.

A plus 1 will only cause more debate search TOny’s articles this spring for the teams that would not make the cut such as Utah last year.

An 8 team playoff would include the 6 BCS champs and 2 at large bids which will more times than not go to mid majors and ND. BORING. It kills any reason for matchups like Bama and VT or tOSU and USC.

I’ll take the flawed system we have it now and watch Cincy play Pitt hoping for a Pitt upset just to further clear up the debate. The BCS has been pure magic making games such as WVU/Pitt late in the season must see TV and the upset sending LSU to the Title game.

egeagle

November 17th, 2009
10:48 am

As a Georgia Southern fan, I know that all six of our NC’s are legitimate and earned on the field. We won as an independent and later as a conference champion. Nothing sounds lamer than Bama folks spouting off about 12 titles of which half at least are bogus, or even Tech folks and their four.
As for legendary coaches, probably your only flaw in your book about Southern football was omitting Erk from the legends list while including 1-AA coaches like Eddie Robinson and Roy Kidd. Ironically, PJ is the coach carrying on Erk’s legacy.
Tech, that long layoff between regular season and bowl game will be your biggest disadvantage. Playoffs would be great for you because your O thrives on timing at game speed.

G8R H8R

November 17th, 2009
10:49 am

Just don’t let Lou Holtz into the Legends Poll. He will only vote for ND, Arkansas and South Carolina.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
10:56 am

right on, otto!

Otto

November 17th, 2009
10:57 am

A playoff such as the FCS one Ga Southern plays in will not happen in Bowl Division football.

The BCS needed the BCS conf. and bowls to agree to auto bids for their champs for it to happen. The politics have not changed. A Top 8 or 16 playoff will not happen anytime in the next 20 years.

If an 8 team playoff does happen it will include BCS conf champs and 2 at large bids.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
11:00 am

j dawg
tcu has played more top 25 teams this year than fla bama and texas. Stop making excuses. Fresh. LOL. You get 2 weeks between the end of the season doofus.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
11:02 am

There will be problems with a legends poll, tony. You know that. What we need is a human poll that comes from a completely unbiased source. And that my friend is impossible. So…. leave it how it is for now. It’s still the most entertaining sport out there. Go dawgs!

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
11:03 am

Otto
yeah those games involving pitt and wv and cincy where they were trying to get into the top 16 or keep their ranking would be so boring…right.

sorry but the ncaa tourney last year was the highest rated all time. you’re wrong.

i am not for a 8 team unless it’s the top 8 teams in the country and that would be the stepping stone for the 16.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
11:03 am

Thomas you’ve obviously never played tackle football, buddy.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
11:05 am

i’ve played rugby and football j dawg. you’re obviously a brainwashed middle aged loser.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
11:14 am

Thomas,

Ratings have been on the decline.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/ncaa-mens-basketball-tv-ratings-1975-2007/2844

Only a few hardcore fans care if another team moves up in the brackets.

When was the last a NCAA basketball TV contract made National headlines and continued news stories?

JamC

November 17th, 2009
11:16 am

One word: PLAYOFFS.

j-dawg

November 17th, 2009
11:18 am

Then you should know the toll it puts on these student-athletes. You’d be suprised of my age too. It’s not just stubborn old folks stuck in there ways not wanting a playoff. It’s people who don’t want to destroy the integrity of this great game. You think a playoff is going to solve everything. Its just going to throw a lot more gasoline on the fire. The BCS will iron out the kinks eventually. I don’t see too much wrong with it now. You want to change drastically change something that’s really not broken. Basically, you just want to bitch.

JamC

November 17th, 2009
11:18 am

Just for the record, it will be Tech 52, Georgia 31. Tech will go to the Orange Bowl, Georgia to the Toilet Bowl. Things are right with the world.

P-Man

November 17th, 2009
11:25 am

The only true way is to create 8, 16-team super conferences, split into 2, 8-team divisions. Every team plays the 7 teams in their division, plus 3 OUT OF CONFERENCE games, so that there can be NO rematches in conference championship games. The conference title games become, in essence, the first round of a 16 team playoff. Every team, at least theoretically, has a chance to win a national championship.

Nachos

November 17th, 2009
11:25 am

I just farted out loud

ratherBgambling

November 17th, 2009
11:27 am

Legends poll is irrelevant without Ray Goff’s vote

Huh?!

November 17th, 2009
11:29 am

j-dawg thinks a playoff will hurt because “…teams start playing softer schedules in the regular season.” Isn’t that the case already? Teams are already manipulating their schedule to weasle their way into the top 2.

Muck Fike Adams

November 17th, 2009
11:32 am

If the rest of these legends are as scewed as Lou Holtz is slurred, then you can take your legends and pound sand. Is Holtz involved? If he is, then ND is gonna be in the BCS every year. Of course, that wouldn’t really change much from the current BCS. If ND is bowl eligable then they have 50/50 chance of being in a BCS bowl. Hey Lou, say “Sufferin’ succotash!”

Doo dah- Doo dah

November 17th, 2009
11:33 am

This is the kind of idea that comes out of having 24 hour sports on tv and a daily column requirement. Gotta come up with some new idea-ergo- legends’ poll to replace existing polls.
A playoff is totally possible if everyone buys in. Too many vested interests right now for that to happen. It makes no sense for the SEC or any conference to get two BCS games when we have undefeated teams that will not get a BCS game. Saying the SEC or any conference is better than all others does not make it so. If the powers that be will not have a “solve it on the field ” solution; then those smaller conference undefeated champions have more right to a BCS game than does a one loss runner up such as the SEC.

Doo dah- Doo dah

November 17th, 2009
11:35 am

I second Ray Goff

Muck Fike Adams

November 17th, 2009
11:37 am

JamC – PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?! Are you kidding me, PLAYOFFS?! PLAYOFFS?

I don’t think JimM would approve. By the way, the “M” stands for Mora. Figured you might not know since you’re a Tech fan and don’t know anything about football or sports or girls. Did you see the shuttle launch?! Incredible! I hope Tech’s foam blocks help up this time.

Muck Fike Adams

November 17th, 2009
11:39 am

correction – “held up” not “help up”

Elliot Ness

November 17th, 2009
11:40 am

m agains proves that it knows nothing about football, at least it has quit saying that Tech would be UCONN in the ACC championship game. What a Goober Pyle it is. m also talks about 1/2 records to try and prove his points. Pitt is not in first place in thier conference, Stanford is not first in their conference, Vandy and Miss State are the bottom of the SEC, and your best team squeaked by both of them. By the way genuis annual means recurring annually, after you have done that a few times you may call it that. Right now it is a fluke.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
11:41 am

P-Man,

Your system would give every team a chance and for the most part end debate. I will ignore the part about debate creating interest.

New division will result in rvalaries being ended or put on rotation. Traditional rivals is a very large part of cfb and very marketable. Auburn and UGA was put on prime time and yet both teams are mediocre. Why? Everyone in the Southeast knows the game can go either way, and both teams will pay to the end. Further the country knows this is a matchup between rivals and will be more likely to watch.

The big 12 did not keep matchup with their merger. The biggest matchup was OU and Nebraska. The game was played last week and was one of the best games of the year IMO. I watched it becuase it is a special matchup and it lived up to it. If the Big12 kept that game on the schedule they may not be in a situation where the Big10 and the SEC are getting paid more in their TV contracts.

http://barkingcarnival.com/2009/09/29/why-the-big-12-tv-contracts-stink/

A flawed system will generate more money by function and money is what drives College Football.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
11:43 am

*OU Nebraska was the biggest matchup to be moved from a yearly matchup to being put on rotation.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
11:46 am

Huh!? Yes UGA picked up Az St, Okie St, L’ville, Oregon and traveled west of the Miss. River for the first time in how long to get in the top 2?

Texas played Ohio St to get over the edge. Ohio St. played USC to get in the Top 2.

How many would you have if every conf champ makes the playoff?

Billy

November 17th, 2009
11:47 am

I wish that people would get it through their heads: THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A PLAYOFF! It gets so old listening to the whining year after year. Get over it! If you don’t like it, quit watching!

panhandle buzz

November 17th, 2009
11:51 am

The Legends Poll is a farce, too. In yesterday’s Sporting News, one of the voters, John Ralston, didn’t even have Georgia Tech listed in his top 10. If you look closely, I think you can see his oatmeal dripping off his chin, he must completely out of it.

GT4EVER

November 17th, 2009
12:10 pm

“Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes” … and 4 National Championships.

egeagle

November 17th, 2009
12:16 pm

Otto, it may never happen, but it would work out just fine. Use the conference champions and a few (2 or 3) at -large teams. Get your top 16, use minor bowls as early round games or have early round games on higher-ranked teams’ home fields. It seems that many college fans would rather argue than have issues settled on the field. I know that money and regional politics are hard to change. I know that these major teams are better, but the FCS champion is just that–a true champion.

Muck Fike Adams

November 17th, 2009
12:19 pm

GT4EVER – How can you say 4 National Championships? None of those were unanimous. You aren’t really a champion unless you won a playoff. There was no playoff 1917 or 1928. There were about 90% of the fans that fill your stadium back then though.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
12:21 pm

Broken. How is it not broken when a team like tcu doesn’t get a chance to play for the title? That is the worst possible thing out there. You have these pollsters who put the teams they think are the best without it being settled on the field. You make excuses like, oh the toll it takes. Give me a break. They said the same thing before we moved to the 12 game season. And then they added the conf champ to make it 13. Then the bowl. Enough with the excuses. The integrity of the game is crap because we don’t crown a champion fairly. It’s that simple. And as for your retarded they won’t be fresh…then give the top 4 seeds a bye and have 5-12 play each other and the winners then play 1-4. Would that be fresh enough for you. Probably not.

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
12:21 pm

Tony, it must be heresy for you to think it, but using words like “AP poll” and “credible” in the same thought is non-sequitur.

Objectivity should be the goal. Objectively, I think TCU is the best team I’ve seen (and I’ve watched the entire Top 10 for at least 2 games each), and I’m not even agonizing over it. It just seems “clear” to me. But, I’m just ONE person. And that makes it SUBJECTIVE.

To make College Football OBJECTIVE, do ONE of TWO things, or just start over. Either (1) Give the Computer rankings MORE leverage (computers aren’t politically motivated by popularity contests) or (2) Have a playoff.

If you do NEITHER (1) or (2), then let’s just start over. Here’s how:

Let the powers that be at SEcSPiN use their influence to slant the championship to the SEC. Texas? TCU? Cincy? GT? Nah,… they can’t compete. So, why pretend?

In fact, the reality THIS year is that the SEC is only about 4 teams anyway. I mean, how EARLY did UF and ‘Bama clinch their divisions? Yeah. So much for “SEC Depth, Toughness, and Beating each other up”. Two undefeated teams in the conference. Anyway,.. here’s what SEcSPiN should do: Have a short round-robin season with UF, Bama, LSU, and Tennesse. Seed UF & Bama 1 & 2. If LSU or Tennessee can beat Bama or UF TWICE in one season (WITH SEC REFS!), then they can be BCS Champs that year. Otherwise, we just crown the UF – Bama Winner on December 5 as BCS Champs every year and move on to basketball.

The OTHER 116 teams join the FCS, and we have an 8 team playoff. SEcSPiN won’t bid for it, but I bet Fox would. We’ll FINALLY have a place for TCU to have their say, and I’m willing the bet that fans would LOVE it, and prove it with TV ratings.

Thats’ my solution, Tony. You can have your subjective nonsense and BCS.

-SJ

Honestly

November 17th, 2009
12:22 pm

Coaches should not have a vote! They are biased and self serving!!!!!

jumbeauxtiger

November 17th, 2009
12:25 pm

Colleges would never accept going back to 11 regular season games. Programs need the 12th game because of dollars.

LSU’s athletic department is fully self-supporting and receives no tax dollars from the State. Football funds all sports in full except baseball and basketball and could not support these programs if there was one less home game.

Tuck Fech 4Ever

November 17th, 2009
12:25 pm

If you only want to count unanimous national championships then Georgia Tech has ZERO!
Every single one of theirs is disputed (shared/co-champion)
LMAO

wreckbone

November 17th, 2009
12:33 pm

The system will suck until a playoff is in place. I know you guys say it will take forever, but the government changed daylight savings which had been in place for over 100 years in less than a year. So it can be done if people just dont stand for the same 4-6 teams getting a better shot than the rest. I’m sure you guys don’t care as the SEC gets those teams. But lets face it when UGA ended up out of the title game and 2 or 3 for the year not so long ago, they wanted a playoff system too. Even took time in the state senate (dont know what that will do) to talk about it.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
12:33 pm

Why can’t people just like college football? If you don’t like it stop watching it.College football has been around all of this time and it is its own thing.The traditions of it rivalries,bowls,etc make it great.Playoffs jeopardizes this and changes what we have loved for all of these years.And like I said playoffs will not change who wins the NC so why change it and ruin it?The BCS may not be perfect and could use some tweaking to improve it but it does not need such a drastic change that will not change who wins the NC.Besides who wants to see Bama vs Utah, or Florida vs TCU? It would be a ratings killer compared to Bama vs USC or Florida vs Texas,etc. I was glad Bama mae it to the sugar bowl last year but was dissapointed that Bama was rewarded by getting to play Utah, USC or Texas would’ve been a much bigger and better game.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
12:37 pm

tide
Man you are clueless. First what kind of comment is this? playoffs will not change who wins the NC so why change it and ruin it

Huh? So the top 2 teams in the bcs are the best teams every year and no other team could ever beat them. Yeah riiiiight. Tell that to auburn in 2004. Or Ga in 2007. I would bet you everything I had that if you did a playoff, the 1’s and 2’s would not win more than 50% of the time. And a playoff would not take away from rivalries. You excuse making losers suck. Of course you want it this way. So you can play your crap schedule and only have to win one game to make it to the champ. yeah that’s such a great system.

wreckbone

November 17th, 2009
12:44 pm

Playoffs are the only way. Everything else is just a half measure. Even your might UGA wanted one when it suited them. What you guys afraid to play the likes of TCU and other cofnerence champs in playoff matchups?

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
12:50 pm

Tide4u2c, thank you for making my point, albeit unintentionally.

When our system assigns bowl game assignments based on avoiding “ratings killer” match-ups, then ALL objectivity has left the building.

Tide, like I said in my earlier post, Bama, UF, LSU, and Tennessee can stay in the BCS. We’ll crown your winner every December 5 in Atlanta.

The other 116 teams will join the FCS, have an 8 team playoff using the traditional bowls, and have an OBJECTIVE winner … based on who the BEST team is … not who the best “TV ratings matchups” will be.

The irony of it all? I bet our TV ratings will be higher than yours.

-SJ

Grant Teaff

November 17th, 2009
12:51 pm

I’m insulted you did include me in your list, except, perhaps, as an “among others.”

Steve

November 17th, 2009
12:52 pm

Thomas, did I say that the SEC CG and the BCS began at the same time? I don’t think so, in fact I remember the first SEC CG game played in 1992 in Birmingham. Also, I will never forget the first BCS NC game as my Vols beat FSU for the title in 1998. I mentioned the two in order to show how both have changed college football for the better. The BCS still isn’t perfect, but it works better than the old way which if we still had today would present a huge cluster, especially if two teams from the same conference were undefeated and did not play one another. As for TCU, if they win out and Clemson wins the ACC, then they should get some votes. Texas is overrated and really has had an easy schedule if you ask me.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
12:58 pm

Thomas,

You have playoffs in college basketball and who wins the NC? It is the big named schools(North Carolina) not the little named schools that might get in but lose in the end.We see this consistently sure it is possible for the little named teams to win but it almost never happens.And I do believe the two best teams are determined pretty accurately with this BSC system.Like I said the BSC is not perfect and could use some tweaking but I do not see why we need a playoff.

20 wins in a row

November 17th, 2009
12:58 pm

A one loss Texas, Bama, or Florida, well two of them deserve to play in the National Title Game over TCU, Cincinnati, and Boise State. Boise State’s schedule is a total joke so going undefeated after beating the one good team they played, Oregon is not that impressive. TCU comes from a very poor conference. Their two next games are against powerhouse Wyoming who is 5-5 and then the always tough New Mexico who is 0-10. Three or Four of the teams they have played this year already have 7 losses, another one 6 losses. Beating two maybe three good teams and coming from a horrible conference undefeated or not doesn’t deserve to be in the Title Game. Cincinnati isn’t that good either and I hope to see them lose to Pitt.

Huh?!

November 17th, 2009
1:08 pm

Tide4u2c — with that kind of logic the players would be still wearing leather helmets (if any).

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
1:11 pm

Straight Jacket,

It does’nt sound logical from a business standpoint to put together games that are going to be “rating killers”. I mean you can ty to force your product on to your customers but they won’t like it.Like I said I was dissapointed that Bama got to play Utah last year in the Sugr bowk insead of Texas or USC and it was not as big of a game than if it had’ve been Bama vs USC in the Sugar bowl and the ratings would’ve been so much better. I say this because it seems that people want o push a playoff on college football just so we can watch the little named teams get beat.I’m talking about teams like Boise St and TCU,etc who might get in but would lose just like in college basketball.

Huh?!

November 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

Thomas — you missed the point. You’ve got Tony and a handful bloggers saying several teams (e.g., Florida, Alabama) schedule OOC cream puffs basically because they have everything to lose and nothing to gain when it comes to the idea of scheduling tougher opponents. If that’s true (and I’m not saying it is), then arguements about a playoff leading to this type of behavior are not valid (because the practice would already exist). I’m actually in favor of a playoff.

Honest Abe

November 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

P-man, conference realignment is an interesting idea. Some old rivalries could be maintained and some new ones created. Unfortunately, this has even less chance of happening than the playoff concept itself.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

Tide you are either dumb or ignorant.
First, the UNC’s don’t win every year. Go back and look. There have been 2 3 4 5 6 seeds that won the thing. Every now and then a 1 does make it. In fact most of the time, only one or two 1 seeds make it to the final 4. i beleive last year was the first time ever. So that comment is pure bs. No the best two teams AREN”T decided by the bcs and this year is solid proof. The hoirrible officiating is one issue. Then you get the fact that a tcu would possibly still be behind a one loss bama fla or tex from the idiots who vote. The ONLY solution is a playoff. Just like EVERY OTHER SPORT. Every major collegiate sport has a playoff except for football. It’s a joke.

ummmhmmmm

November 17th, 2009
1:27 pm

4 tickets , 4 hotdogs , 4 cokes
watching Jonathan Dwyer, Paul Johnson, Josh Nesbitt, Derrick Morgan, In the oldest on campus DIV I stadium in america where John Heisman Coached and Booby Dodd coached, With downtown Atlanta backdrop?

HELL YESS what a great deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:28 pm

egeagle,

The system does create more talk than solutions to finding a national champion. The powers that see the checks know this and talk generates money. What you suggest would reduce the money that comes in for both the big and little guys.

Thomas, It is not broken because little TCU does not get a shot. They did not play a schedule like, Bama, Texas etc.

Please at UVA, Texas State, SMU, at Air Force, UNLV, Sann Diego St, Wyoming and New Mexico should not lead to a BCS title.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
1:29 pm

Huh,

Going to playoffs in college football would’nt make the schedules stronger.It would allow teams like TCU and Boise S with easy schedules to get in but lose to teams like Bama,Florida,Texas you get the idea.And schedules in the SEC rotate which is why Bama had the schedule they did but you can’t fault Saban for desiring easy schedules he has made it clear that he desires to see Bama play atleast 1 marquee OOC opponent every year.Florida St(ACC)Clemson(ACC)Virginia Tech(ACC) and next two years Penn St(Big 10) in a home and home because he believes it prepares the team for big games.So you can’t fault Bama for desiring a weak schedule this idea you have to load up and play 12 ranked teams or something is just silly.The SEC is a very competetive conference and it is good to have a few breather games and playoffs would’nt change it.It would just allow the teams that are in weak conferences and play weak schedules to get in but lose.

REALITY

November 17th, 2009
1:30 pm

UGA GLORY YEARS= JAN KEMP

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

Huh
I don’t understand what you were saying at all. Fla and bama play cupcakes because they know all they have to do is beat 5 other teams in their conf, get to the sec champ game, win that and 99% of the time they are in the Nat champ game. That’s the major flaw with the system. Everyone remembers lsu two years ago with 2 losses. Yeah they were the best team. nope. Right now there are what 6 undefeated teams with 5 likely by the end of the season. 5 teams. And people say this okay? It’s these dunderheads that make CF such a bummer. Everyone knows a playoff would be amazing.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

The ONLY solution is a playoff. Just like EVERY OTHER SPORT.

Yet Football makes more money. What do you think matters to the ADs and School admin?

Football in many instances supports these other programs and bussing them around on their noble quest for a true national champ.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:32 pm

Everyone knows a playoff would be amazing.

No we know what a great thing it would destroy.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
1:33 pm

Tony, perhaps we should play college football for 52 weeks.
No, that is another bad idea, just like the “legends” concept.
I’m ok if there is some controversy at the end of the season over
who is number one. Its always been that way. The non finality of
the fans opinion is healthy for the game.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:37 pm

Imagine a Friday and Saturday with these games on with a playoff. Yeah this just sucks.

1 fla vs 16 wisconsin
2 Texas vs 15 Va Tech
3 Bama Vs 14 Penn St
4 Tcu vs 13 Iowa
5 Cincy vs Ok State
6 Boise Oregon
7 Gt vs Ohio St
8 Lsu vs 9 Pitt

Oh wow. What awful games. No one would be watching!!! Everyone would turn it off. No one would be excited to fill out the brackets. Espn wouldn’t even talk about the mathcups. It would all be on pay per view tv. What a lame scenario.

Instead we get meaningless bowl games beginning in mid december against 6-6 teams leading up to boring bowl matchups. What really makes me laugh is all these people still wanting it the “old outdated way” and look how much they’ve changed the dates of bowl games and new years day bowl games are a joke now. Only one bcs game now and it’s the boring rose bowl. Yeah there;s your tradition.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
1:37 pm

Thomas,

You are wrong. If Bama loses a game they could be out of the NCpicture just like any other team but they have’nt lost. Imagina if Bama loses to Auburn in the Iron Bowl, the point is you can’t lose.Virginia Tech would be in the NC picture if they had’nt have started losing but they did.

VR Jacket

November 17th, 2009
1:39 pm

Why can’t we have our cake and eat it too?
A week after conf. championships, take the top 8 teams.
8 goes to 1 house, 7 to 2, 6 to 3, 5 to4.
next week,re-seed. 4 to 1 and 3 to 2.

Then stop.

the 6 that lost will still go to a bcs bowl(just like they would have anyway)and the two winners will play in the NC.

Simple.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:42 pm

Thomas, Ratings would fall just as they did in Basketball. Why? becuase the system gives more chance to next year.

Further what about the MAC, Sunbelt, and Conf USA teams that now get cut from a 16 team playoff? Where is their cut? They have bowls as it stands and an 8 or 16 team playoff would take much away from those bowls.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
1:43 pm

After 10 weeks of continuous playoffs after the regular season, Hiawatha High School could beat most of the broken bodies teams remaining. But then, if we gave every school 200 football scholarships, then perhaps, just perhaps, we could achieve what I would call, the meaningless champion.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:45 pm

They would make even more $ if there was a playoff. Exciting games and anticipation for great games is what brings in viewers. In fact, ratings on bowl games are not nearly as high as they have been except for the nat champ game cause that’s the only game that matters. Having 8 games that matter–then 4 then 2 then 1. Yeah no money and interest there.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:47 pm

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:47 pm

Joe Bob Thibodaux, 200 scholarships?

Don’t forget this age of parity is relatively new and scholarship levels were reduced to 85 in the 90s. Bump it back up to 95 and the TCUs, Boise Stats, and Utah of the world become much more rare. I would be all for it.

Steve

November 17th, 2009
1:47 pm

Guys:

Texas played Wyoming too. They also played Louisiana-Monroe, UTEP, and UCF. Their most impressive win is at Oklahoma State (which TCU can equal that with their win at Clemson). Texas has a weak conference schedule: Kansas (5-5 and currently unranked), Colorado (3-7 and currently unranked), Texas A&M (5-5 and currently unranked), Texas Tech (6-4 and currently unranked), Baylor (4-6 and currently unranked) and Oklahoma (6-4 and currently unranked).

TCU has beaten Clemson, BYU, Utah, SMU and Air Force. Each of these teams have winning records and we all know what Utah did to Alabama last year. So, saying that TCU has a weaker schedule than Texas doesn’t hold much weight with me.

Tony saw TCU play and said they were for real…..if so, vote them in ahead of Texas and let them play the SEC champion…..if that happens and the “big schools” get left out then things might change.

Delbert D.

November 17th, 2009
1:51 pm

Notre Dame got a vote? That shows that the “Legends” poll is not unbiased.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
1:52 pm

tide
nope. i’ve listened to several media guys and they’ve said both fla and bama have their mulligan. if one or both were to lose their last game and then win the sec champ, they would still be in the nat champ game. and you know they would. that’s why you want this bs system. cause if you lost in the playoffs, you go home. it’s a joke.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
1:54 pm

Otto, I was just attempting to make a point after. I can’t see a play off
system working unless it began the first week of the season, and that means
a sudden death system, “WIN EVERY GAME, or your out. Teams that get
better every week would already be eliminated and those with an easy draw
would be called the champion.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
1:57 pm

Playoffs is about giving teams who lose another chance because now as things are every games matters and teams that have lost desire another chance.With a playoff you could still get in if you slipped up and lost.It is also about allowing the little teams to get in but lose to the big named schools.The BCS could be tweaked alittle and improved but right now the bottom line is don’t lose.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
1:58 pm

Thomas, Nice of you to reply to the ratings.

They are up 7 percent over last year which was rather dismal, big deal. They are also up because a President was filling out his brackets and traditional pwoers were in the running such as Michigan St, UNC, and Duke. Just a few years ago the Tournament was all but a non event thanks to Parity. It took UNC and Duke to reverse the trend at all. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742373482279229.html

Eventually the US will get a President that cares more about the economy than filling out his brackets, there will not be a matchup of traditional powers and the slide will continue in place of going up small perecentage points at the bottom of a steep decline.

So if Basketball is so great where is the big TV contract?

Voice of Reason

November 17th, 2009
1:59 pm

Dr. Frankenstein: “Egor, come in here for a moment!”
Egor: “Yesss, Dr. Frankenstein”
Dr. Frankenstein: “We have some more verk to be done on the monster”
Egor: “Yesss, Dr. Frankenstein. Vat vould you like me to do?”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Egor, hand me that wrench. Ahhh, that will just about do it”
Egor: “Yes, Dr. Frankenstein, Yesss, you’ve done it!!”

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
2:05 pm

tide
has cincy or tcu lost? don’t think so? what about auburn in 04? this system is not set up for 2 undefeated teams because that happening is a rarity. what is more likely is a bunch of 1 loss teams and one undefeated team OR like this year with 6 undefeated teams going forward. a playoff solves this problem and a playoff is not to reward teams that lost. a playoff, which every team sport in the world has, determines who is the best ON THE FIELD and not by some dicks sitting around writing articles on who they like the most and who is the most popular. get it?

Delbert D.

November 17th, 2009
2:05 pm

For a start:
Cut the conferences to traditional 10 teams, forget about conference championship games. Play all other 9 teams in-conference and 3 out of conference. The PAC 10 does this now.

Then have bowl play-in games between conferences in December.

Maybe this can lead to a playoff system if TV, sponsors, bowl people and Big 10 Luddites can all agree.

Richard

November 17th, 2009
2:09 pm

Instead of looking for things to add to the BCS, shouldn’t we be looking for things to take away from it? Like everything?

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
2:10 pm

otto
and you don’t think the fiesta bowl would have lousy ratings if it had tcu and boise in it? football leads big because it took over baseball as americas passion and pasttime years ago. basketball is nice in between football season and you must have never worked in an office because the bracket and pools that you enter are about as fun as you can get along with the slate of games beginning at noon thursday and friday. i use to like the bowls. now they suck. who really wactched bama utah last year? now if that game was a second round playoff, it would mean something. and finally, i’ve disputed all the nay sayers on here so far. bama would not roll over against their rival with a playoff. it would still be fierce. and for the ga fans. imagine this…you’re still in it for the top 16. if you beat uk and gt, there’s still a chance you could sneak into the 16th spot. now you just wait and ponder to see if you go to shreveport or memphis or wherever. so much fun!!!

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
2:10 pm

Tide, you have obviously NOT watched TCU. If you had, you wouldn’t be talking about them as a “little underdog team”.

Do your own research: Check out TCU’s strength of schedule.

To counter another of your points: Bama playing a “marquee” name OOC is NOT the same as playing a “quality” OOC game. Last year, you played Clemson…. a team that had perhaps the worst (i.e. young) 3rd worst OL in the ACC. Don’t take my word for it: Look it up & see what Clemson did after Bama smoked ‘em.

Penn State coming up? Not impressed. PSU had 8 (not a typo; EIGHT!!!) home games this year. Beat powerhouse OOC opponents like …. EASTERN (not to be confused with Southern!) Illinois, Akron, Syracuse, and Temple. LOST TWO HOME GAMES IN conference. Call them “mediocre” but do NOT call them “quality”.

The point is that if you want to exclude quality teams … like TCU … , then let’s ALL quit pretending! You don’t WANT them to be allowed to play for a Championship, so why bother with the charade? FWIW, TCU is MUCH BETTER than Utah was last year. Oh, … and what did Utah do in their bowl game?

Speaking of “marquee” vs. “quality”, go look at Sagarin Ratings of Schedules for Texas vs. TCU. Tell me who’s more deserving.

Anyway, we agree up to a point: Just go play UF and we’ll give you the BCS Crown in December. Texas can’t compete anyway … they don’t have SEC speed. ;-) Fans from LSU and Tenn will enjoy it to, since they were 3 & 4 in the SEC.

But let the other 116 teams defect to FCS football. Ya’ll have fun in the BCS – at least you won’t have to play with the “little” teams like TCU.

-SJ

C G

November 17th, 2009
2:16 pm

OTTO just showed his hand. He’s not in favor of a playoff because PresBO has mentioned it and he doesn’t like presbo. I’m not a fan of BO either, but that doesn’t mean I want college football to continue with this hideous way it crowns it’s champion.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
2:18 pm

Why not let the SEC refs decide who is champion?

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
2:21 pm

Auburn was left out because of a weak schedule in 04.We’ll just have to agree to disagree.I don’t want college football to be like the NFL or college basketball.I don’t think the BCS is perfect either I think it could be improved but just can’t see how a playoff would fix it without ruining college football.

C tha 1

November 17th, 2009
2:23 pm

Tide what are you talking about!? Utah beat Alabama’s butt last year remember? Wait for it….a little school beat a mighty, mighty SEC team. By the way I love the SEC, but I realize that a playoff system is the only tried and true way to determine a champion. Its simple.

Delbert D.

November 17th, 2009
2:25 pm

It was more interesting before the BCS. Looks like the existence of the BCS has spawned corruption on an unprecedented scale.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
2:26 pm

Uhm actually I work in a cube farm. We had a NFL pool (last year nothing this year) but nothing on Basketball. As I said it has faded into the past. Monday and Friday mornings people gather and talk about the games during Football season but hardly a whisper on the Tournament.

Only the UGA fans would be watching UGA play for hopes of getting in at 16, much like Auburn basketball last year. What a draw that was. However, everyone in the bar was suddenly watching Pitt upset WVU.

Friday after Thanksgiving in a prime spot Bama will play Auburn and fans across the country will watch in hopes that Auburn knocks off Bama. Why? so their team (such as TCU) can sneak into a BCS title game. Bama and Auburn signed a multi year TV deal for the Friday game.

Which will generate more viewers Auburn fans watching in hopes of making the top 16 or TCU, Boise St, Cincy, etc fans hoping that they can get into a BCS title game? I vote the one that impacts more teams.

The other teams would not be hoping Bama gets knocked off in a playoff because Bama would still be in the Top 10 and Auburn would still have an outside shot to get in and even less to win it all.

The fans have spoken with what they say and they have voted on what they watch. They watch and debate the BCS system year round and it is making millions more than the other sports despite what they say with their voice.

Tide4u2c

November 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

Straight Jacket,

My point is Saban desires to play the kindof OOC marquee teams you are talking about the problem is scheduling them but the desire is there he has not been at Bama very long.I know TCU is a good football team however I still do not believe they would have success going up against big named schools for the NC.Now in a bowl game like we have now I could see them upsetting some top big named team.I still do not believe Utah would’ve beat Bama had that been the NC game.Andre Smith would’nt have left and Bama would’ve had no destractions to deal with.

PTC DAWG

November 17th, 2009
2:45 pm

Let’s face it, the BCS is BS. 6 MAJOR conference champs, plus next 2 best at large…8 team playoff. MAKE IT HAPPEN….

Porty

November 17th, 2009
2:48 pm

Tony, you’ve got to be kidding. The last thing I’d want is this to be influenced by a couple of ethics challenged crooks like Vince Dooley and Pat Dye. Please, go away.

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
2:54 pm

OK Tide, counter this point for me (maybe we can agree on SOMETHING here):

If you want to exclude the “little” teams like TCU, why are we all pretending like they even have a CHANCE at the BCS Championship? Many of the “powers-that-be” don’t WANT them either, so why are they even allow to play “big boy” football? So,… let’s ELIMINATE the teams that DON’T GET FAIR TREATMENT, and LIMIT THE BCS to the “marquee” teams (remember, quality doesn’t matter, ONLY “big” teams can play “big boy” football!).

So, … we can AGREE that means that TCU, Boise, Cincy, can all just go away. Don’t go away mad, … just go away. You’re school isn’t “big” enough.

Texas is “BIG”,… but have you seen that conference this year? Seen their OOC schedule? Are Bama fans going to be full of “TIDE PRIDE” when they stomp an inferior Texas team? YES!!! And why? Because TEXAS is a “MARQUEE” Team! A “BIG” Team! Nevermind that TCU would beat ‘em.

Back to my original point: Can you and I agree that we should just expel the “little” teams that get in the way of the BCS Championship? Good. Now, besides TCU, Boise, and Cincy, who else we gonna kick out? I’ll add South Carolina (like,… 5 bowl games in their ENTIRE history), Kentucky (we ain’t takin’ basketball), the entire Big East, Washington State, Duke, Northwestern, and ALL NON-BCS conferences.

Tide, I’m betting you’ll add: the Big 12 North, the whole ACC (except VPI&SU & Clemson, ’cause Bama played ‘em), and about 16 Pac 10 and Big 10 teams.

That leaves us with … well,…. about …. 4 teams: Bama, UF, LSU, and Tennessee.

Seriously, just KICK OUT the teams that you DON’T WANT to give an objective chance to, and how many DO you have left?

If my team (GT) can’t get a fair, objective shot from the smoke-filled room full of politicians at SEcSPiN, then I’d like to be in the group of teams that determines an OBJECTIVE champion … on the field.

Tide, HOW MANY TEAMS SHOULD get a “FAIR” , OBJECTIVE shot at the BCS TItle? AND WHICH teams ARE they? Do you decide NOW that a team won’t be GOOD enough next year? Like, … say,,… Utah? Should we go ahead and decide that they shouldn’t be allowed to compete next year? I mean, … Just because they were number 2 last year, doesn’t mean squat for next year, right?

Man, just seems un-American to me. Let’s stifle competition – only certain teams are allowed to compete for the Championship. Sheesh….

-SJ

GT

November 17th, 2009
2:59 pm

There will be a playoff. Something this polluted with this much money riding on its interity has got to be fixed. This is like south Georgia politics, it can’t last forever and when it disappears thousands of the very people who made it so crooked will be acting like it was their idea to end it. Like all those Democrats that jumped over to the Republican side when their gig was up with the other machine.

Top Dawg

November 17th, 2009
3:05 pm

I present to you … PLAYOFFS!!!! Anything short of playoffs is a different way of doing it the wrong way!!!

Christian Dior Dogg

November 17th, 2009
3:07 pm

A panel of experts ranking the teams?

Sounds like figure skating.

A real sport needs a playoff.

Chris

November 17th, 2009
3:18 pm

StraightJacket
You are right on. And if GT had beaten Miami and won out, they would still not get into the game. That’s how pathetic the BcS is. It may work out okay once every ten years.

TLH Gator

November 17th, 2009
3:30 pm

Tony Barnhardt BCS column: blah blah, tradition, blah blah, the bowls have been good for college football, blah blah, status quo, blah blah.

ENOUGH!!

We want a 16 team playoff open to all members of Division 1A (not FBS—), selected by a diverse committee in an open process and accountable to the member schools. Seed the teams. First round games on campus, then allow cities to bid on further rounds.

College football deserves an exciting postseason worthy of the great game that it is and not an exhibition season that glorifies mediocrity and established power structures.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
3:44 pm

SJ – Texas is “BIG”,… but have you seen that conference this year? Seen their OOC schedule? Are Bama fans going to be full of “TIDE PRIDE” when they stomp an inferior Texas team? YES!!! And why? Because TEXAS is a “MARQUEE” Team! A “BIG” Team! Nevermind that TCU would beat ‘em.

reply – Doubtful especially if TCU played the full Big 12 schedule.

SJ – If my team (GT) can’t get a fair, objective shot from the smoke-filled room full of politicians at SEcSPiN, then I’d like to be in the group of teams that determines an OBJECTIVE champion … on the field.

reply – Last time GT was talking like that they left the SEC. That worked out well….

SJ – Man, just seems un-American to me. Let’s stifle competition – only certain teams are allowed to compete for the Championship. Sheesh….

reply – actually it is. Rail and Oil Industry early in the Century. The Big 3 Auto Makers, Microsoft now. Only 2 political parties with any real power. The big teams are even taking over the IRL, NASCAR, and NHRA. Baseball? what is more American than the World Series? How many have the Yankees won?

WoodstockGT

November 17th, 2009
3:46 pm

I actually see where a playoff could hurt College Football. EX. If the playoff was made up of teams that win their conference championship, and hypothetically say its in play this year. Why would GT play one of its starters in two weeks against UGA. The UGA game would mean nothing to Ga. Tech this year since they clinched a spot in the ACC championship and the winner of that game goes to the “playoffs”. Just like in the NFL at the end of the regular season, alot of teams that are in the playoffs sit their starters. All those in state rival games in College Football suffer, and you have 2nd /third team players playing in those games cause they will mean nothing on a national scale.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
3:57 pm

WodstockGT, Good points. T

Also the 2 at large teams. Would you really risk yoru starting QB and RB against an OOC game. If not, why schedule someone like TCU, Utah, or Boise?

If you really want a playoff IMO top 6 after the traditionals bowls including BCS bowl selected much as they were before the BCS (traditional old Conf tie ins)

The top 2 get a 1 week bye. It keeps Texas, Bama, and UF playing 100% at the end of the season.

3 plays 6, and 4 plays 5. The winners play the 1st and 2nd teams leading up to a title game.

Playoff games are played at current BCS bowls.

Downside, The playoff still ruins the bowls for the mid level BCS teams, and mid majors.

Result, as with any CFB playoff the rich get richer

WoodstockGT

November 17th, 2009
4:07 pm

Despite what others are saying, I can’t wait for the bowl season. Even the non National Championship games are exciting cause it is an opportunity to see differen’t conferences play each other and how they stack up. If any changes should occur in the near future it would be maybe adding 1 game to the BCS system as the National Championship game… maybe.

Otto

November 17th, 2009
4:09 pm

WoodstockGT, again I agree. I even take the week off after Christmas (not before) to watch them.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
4:12 pm

It’s not a good point because I nor anyone would want a playoff where you get in by just winning your conference championship. It would be based on seedings(1-16) or even (1-8) not winning a conference and thus making the uga game just as important as it has always been.

Thomas

November 17th, 2009
4:15 pm

And if you are a high seed like bama, fla, texas and gt, you want to win that rivalry game even more to maintain home field. It’s not that complicated. Those saying the 6 conf champ and plus 2 idea is horrible and stupid.

Roll Tider

November 17th, 2009
4:19 pm

They already play the NC game one week later. Just seed the top 4 New Years’s weekend, have the winners play for the NC, and be done with it.

You’d more than likely end up with a Fla-Bama rematch in the 1/4 game as whoever loses wouldn’t fall any further than that (possible that Boise or GT could slide in there) then UT-TCU in the 2/3 game. Guess what you end up with? Florida or Bama vs. Texas. Hate to say it ’cause I don’t like it but the thing is working this year. You have three teams that are clearly ahead of the pack, with two of them playing a national semifinal to get in.

greg

November 17th, 2009
4:22 pm

I have a better idea. Get rid of the whole BCS BS. Playoffs is what is demanded. I hope that there are about 5 undefeated teams…then what….so people that vote determines that a TCU does not have a chance to win the national championship. Every fan in America wants this. It’s BS.

Keith

November 17th, 2009
4:25 pm

Another tenn player in trouble for shoplifting.

greg

November 17th, 2009
4:32 pm

Roll Tider…how can you say that Florida, Bama, and Texas “are clearly ahead of the pack”. You do not know this and no one else does. Utah killed Bama last year. Who’s to say that TCU is not the best team but we will never know. Very sad to me as a fan…the underdog has no shot…and this is not the American way. Blow the damn thing up.

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
4:38 pm

Otto, (& Tide),

We can talk antitrust law and monopolies on a different forum. I have good training on antitrust law.

But THIS forum is about COLLEGE FOOTBALL, for crying out loud!

I’m not asking this as a rhetorical question; I’d REALLY like to know your view:

WHICH TEAMS will be allowed to compete objectively and fairly for the BCS Championship?

and WHICH TEAMS will NOT be allowed to compete objectively and fairly?

If I can get a CLEAR answer from you on these two questions, then I can be persuaded to your view of the BCS system, with just a tweak or two.

Just KICK OUT the teams that aren’t allowed the level playing field, and put them in Division I of FCS. There, these “little teams” can use the long-time, traditional bowl system as quarter-final and semi-final game sites for a championship playoff of the “little” teams.

The BCS can keep their system, and it will be a Champion of the “big” teams, without the charade of pretending the little teams were even in the mix. Of course, I don’t know why BCS (”big boy”) teams would want to play powerhouses like UTC (see Bama schedule) & Charleston Southern (see UF schedule) during the regular season, but that’s an argument for another day.

So, convince me at other to see this your way: Tell me which teams are allowed to compete for BCS, and which are not?

Again, NOT a rhetorical question… I really want to know if we can agree on this…..

-SJ

Keith

November 17th, 2009
4:41 pm

Greg
Like SJ said, these guys otto and tide only look at about 5-6 teams in the entire nation and consider them worthy of a nat champ. They like it the way it is cause every decade or so, they can play in the nat champ 2-3 times. It doesn’t matter what the rest of the teams do. The only ones that matter are this

Fla, Bama..just recently…Texas, Ok, Usc, Ohio St, Penn St

Even when their teams get bitch slapped by the utahs and boises, they still say they aren’t worthy. they are called Idiots for a reason.

StraightJacket

November 17th, 2009
4:47 pm

Otto, a few more questions:

Do you think Bama fans were “happy” to be at the Sugar Bowl last year?
Do you think USC was “excited” to be at the Rose Bowl (when they didn’t make the BCS Championship Game?)

When these GREAT bowls are de-valued to “consolation prizes” to teams that didn’t get to the ultimate game, THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG with the system!

And after seeing both TCU & Texas play a few times now, I just disagree on who would win that game. I believe TCU would win, and some objective elements of Sagarin and strength of schedule would agree with me. Of course, the very question of who is better – Texas or TCU – is just extra evidence for the case of having an 8 team playoff.

-SJ

misterwax

November 17th, 2009
4:50 pm

I don’t buy it Tony, these guys are somewhat biased as well……8 or 16 team playoff via the current multi-tier bowl structure is the way to go…..

Tony is smokin crack

November 17th, 2009
4:56 pm

Tony ….you have lost your mind …….AP Poll most credible ????? Are u kidding me…..Legends poll ….NO …let the kids play for a championship instead of having so called czars annointing a champ ….lay off the crack Tony …the whiskey too

Oledawg

November 17th, 2009
5:01 pm

No! It’s another excuse to delay playoffs. Why don’t you writers devote your typing to reasoning out that the BCS is doomed instead of proposing more angst polls to disagree with ? Because the BCS(in all of its unfairness, stupidity and incongruity) is great fodder for your press and the only unfairness in a 16-game playoff would involve the last 4 selected in inverted fairness to the inverted order. Let’s face it- The BCS is good for writers trying to get their favorite ,though possibly undeserving, team in the mix. The top 12-14 would be cut and dried by the pollsters leading up to the end of the season and the remaining places will have less broohaha from the fans on selection. There would be prejudice factor diminishment for the last 2-4 teams since at that lower level it would be impossible for a group to sway evidentiary statistics for their team. The plain fact is that writers would have much less to write about and that is why they publish articles favoring the BCS while ignoring polls that run 7-3 pro playoff. ESPN was especially pro BCS in their articles last year. Now they will be in bed with them and joined at the hip.

No, Tony. No more gadgets and weasel groups to enhance the status quo. Let the Legends decide the 16-team playoff and give their reasoning for each team’s strength at the end of the year. Pick the teams from bowl game winners/losers. Keep the bowls and allow the winners of the top 5 bowls be paired with 3 teams selected from other top bowl winners and losers. That leaves a 3-game playoff for #1 before the Super bowl is played. You can vary this scenario with a bowl loser’s bracket playoff of 4 teams to select 2(or 1) of the last 3 teams(i.e., The loser of the top bowl matchup could still prove themselves and not be out of it because they drew the top team in the country). You could also rank AFTER the bowls and let #1 play #16, #2 play #15, etc..

Oledawg

November 17th, 2009
5:09 pm

Any team getting to a playoff most go through a conference championship to be eligible.

Oledawg

November 17th, 2009
5:11 pm

The last posting is to solicit comment about the playoffs as Tony has solicited for the BCS.

BravesFan79

November 17th, 2009
5:11 pm

I predict that all the undefeated teams that will get screwed over this year, will help push Congress to make College Football change to being a relative sport with a real postseason.
I can really see how the BCS is a antitrust issue….. if teams have relative records… they should be given the same chance. End of story!
College football is really sad…. no postseason, Just so a bunch of .500 schools can go to some meaningless exhibition called a bowl, and feel like they accomplished something!

Welcome to Pee Wee football… where all the little kids get a trophy so they feel special.
Wake me up when the NFL playoffs start!

Whopper Dawg

November 17th, 2009
5:11 pm

Yeah, that will fix it. Add more opinion to a process already decided by opinion. Hey, let’s do this, let’s play each other to decide it. Then the Legends can watch some games rather than film, and you, Mr. Barnhart, can report the scores and the teams will decide it. How about that.

Bulldawg

November 17th, 2009
6:08 pm

This would certainly make for a more studied and objective evaluation than the computers. Computers don’t coach or play football and know nothing about intensity of an annual rivalry.

One other suggestion would be to mandate (tweak) the coaches’ poll by not allowing any one to vote for a one loss team over an undefeated team. Simple philosophy here! Reward success on the field of play. Each week is part of a double elimination tournament. Lose two, you’re out ( and that goes for LSU, OhioSt and USC) Reward the Wins, not the so called style points and losses. No two loss team can be ranked ahead of a one loss team. Vote for them and your vote is invalidated. No 3 loss team can be ranked ahead of a 2 loss team, 1 loss team or undefeated team. It’s simple. Win and move up in the polls. Lose and go to the back of the line!

This is even better than the BCS polls, which care only about the top two or three teams, which subconsciously has had a negative effect on the officiating. Take the BCS out of it … put in the AP UPI with new aforementioned regulations and the Legends poll. That would make for a better season and protect the BOWLS in the process.

What you think?

ReptilesRule

November 17th, 2009
6:43 pm

WOW Another Tennessee player arrested, this time for shoplifting. All of this stuff has happened just as kiffin was bragging about his discipline and “clean” program…Instant Karma!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
7:01 pm

What I see developing in this section of the blog is a bunch of people
building pyramids and no true champion.
The swine flu or the SEC refs could determine the whole thing.
And think of this, a 16 team bracket would only require 4 games to eliminate all but one.
Now, is the 16 team bracket picked by some pyramid or are there
some brackets this fit them. Lets see, 16 deserving to be number one.
Lottery.
OK, lets have a football lottery and call it a championship.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
7:14 pm

You whiners (yes Thomas, that includes you) are pathetic. First you say that you want a playoff system in order to take the “opinion” out of the National Championship. Then you start to blather about conference champions, seeding and strength of schedule.

If you really want to eliminate opinion polling, then propose a system that actually eliminates it. Instead, you inadvertently admit that you recognize the validity of the opinion polls — you just aren’t happy with the rendered opinion of your particular favorite team.

To eliminate opinion as a factor, each game must be treated as if it is equal to every other game. that is what a computer poll does if it isn’t weighted by the opinions of the programmer. All 120 teams start the season tied for first place. As the season progresses, only wins and losses on the field of play factors into changing the standings. “Strength of schedule” is indeterminate until after the games have all been played.

Under this unbiased scenario, all undefeated teams are tied for first place. All one-loss teams are tied for second place. All two loss teams are tied for third place. Any team that has three or more losses is effectively tied for last place. No team that looses 25% or more of their regular season games has any business participating in a post-season championship tournament — even if they are the best team in their “conference”.

This is what you want if you are actually concerned about biased opinions spoiling the process. You could choose whichever playoff format that pleases you to strike teams from this pool of qualified contenders. The one team left standing would have won the championship on the field of play and there is no way that you could assert that they were awarded the championship due to biased opinion.

Would that be a better process? Hell no… We all KNOW that a win over USC, LSU, Ohio State or Oregon is more valuable than a win over Akron, Duke or FIU. You guys don’t really have a problem with the polls — you just have a problem with not being Number One in the polls.

It takes decades to build a premiere football program that deserves to be at the top of the polls. Having one or two undefeated seasons against lower level teams just doesn’t cut it. Is that fair? Hell no… But then, I challenge you to find anything in life that is perfectly fair. The TCU’s and Boise State’s of the world should be proud of their accomplishments — but they shouldn’t be playing for a National Championship until they’ve payed their dues just like the teams that do play for the Championship.

If you don’t like it, then form your own league and determine the champion any way that pleases you. Otherwise, just shut up with the whining and keep up the winning. You’ll get your shot in due time — but not before then.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
7:24 pm

Coach O: I agree with you. Well written.

doug cupp

November 17th, 2009
7:45 pm

skitzo

November 17th, 2009
7:45 pm

Oh for craps sake, just have scrap the BCS and get a playoff like the rest of the world. You can get the best, most informed people voting and they’re still just voicing their opinion. No one knows which of the top 6 teams is the “best”. I bet you couldn’t get most people to even agree on a definition of what the “best” team is. Until EVERY team can play their way into the championship game, which they obviously can’t do now, the title of College Football – FBS Division National Champion isn’t much better than an Oscar or an Emmy award.

Delbert D.

November 17th, 2009
7:49 pm

The system posted at 7:14 might effectively end all out-of-conference rivalries like Georgia-Georgia Tech, USC -Notre Dame and even Air Force vs. the other service academies since the first rule is to go undefeated. There would be a big scramble for patsy opponents. Hmmm….that’s UF’s system plan this year.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
7:53 pm

skitzo, I think you will like GOLF. It has the format you like.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:00 pm

Unbiased Poll of NCAA FBS Football Teams
as of 11-17-2009

1st Place:

Alabama
Boise State
Cincinnati
Florida
Texas
TCU

2nd Place:

Georgia Tech
Pittsburgh

3rd Place:

Brigham Young
Central Michigan
Houston
Iowa
LSU
Ohio State
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple
Utah

That’s 20 teams. It’ll probably be closer to 16 in a couple of weeks. How would you match them up for your “Non-Mythical National Championship” playoff?

skitzo

November 17th, 2009
8:00 pm

How about a 12 team playoff? The division winner from each of the 11 FBS conferences plus one wildcard team (we’ll let people vote for that one for old times sake). The independent teams would have to get themselves in a conference like everybody else to get a chance to play themselves into the playoffs or hope to get voted in. Top 4 ranked teams (using existing system, or a board room full of experts like the basketball tournment) get a bye in Round 1.

This way every FBS team is guaranteed a chance to play themselves in the the National Championship game. And, most every game will still matter. You can’t lose too many games and still win the conference championship.

Delbert D.

November 17th, 2009
8:01 pm

There’s an idea. Get the coaches really involved. Golf tournament to settle it. Oops…Charlie Weis might not make it past the 2nd hole….

skitzo

November 17th, 2009
8:06 pm

Joe Bob – Every other sport has the format I like. Being able to play yourself (team) into the championship game. That is, if you win every game you play (regular season, playoffs if they existed)you are in the championship game. Right now even the BCS teams aren’t guaranteed a chance to play in the championship game even if they win every game by a large margin. An undefeated SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10/Big 10 team and one of them is out.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:06 pm

skitzo,

You’re saying that 7-3 Troy should be in the mix over the loser of the Alabama vs. Florida SEC playoff game because they are leading in their conference?

Whatever…

Elliot Ness

November 17th, 2009
8:07 pm

Who is this m character?

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:08 pm

I think he’s the alter-ego of Coach Johnson.

Jake

November 17th, 2009
8:13 pm

Dawgs, winn in an upset over GT.

Elliot Ness

November 17th, 2009
8:14 pm

Yeah, Sctizo, let’s do like basketball and have great teams sit at home so that we can get “champions” from “FBS” conferences in a playoff. It comes down like this, CMU or LSU, Rutgers or Temple or Ok State, Houston, or Alabama? It doesn’t play out easily, so how about the 8 winners of whatever bowls?

skitzo

November 17th, 2009
8:25 pm

Coach 0 – yes, why shouldn’t Troy have a shot at getting to the national championship? Look, I’m not saying my suggested format is the perfect solution. I just think that at the beginning of the season each team should know that if they win the games on their schedule that they will have a chance to play for the national championship. Under the current format about half of the schools have no shot, and will never get a shot, at playing in the national championship game. There is absolutely no way that Troy will ever play in the national championship game under the BCS.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

November 17th, 2009
8:29 pm

Coach O, I probably believed LSU was number 9 last week until they played Louisiana Tech.
Granted: LA TECH played their heart out and LSU didn’t shut them down until late in the game.
This coming week, Ole Miss, and suddenly, I’m not so sure about my Tigers. They are beat up–
but who ain’t? Anyway, if LSU manages to beat Ole Miss, I think they are worthy of being no. 9,
until the next game with Arkansas. By then, I would be happy no matter where they are ranked if
they play well. I basically think the present system has flaws, but it approximates getting it right.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:31 pm

@skitzo: “There is absolutely no way that Troy will ever play in the national championship game under the BCS.”

They said the same thing about the University of Alabama when they were up and coming — and they didn’t even have a “BCS” back then.

If a single loss was a reasonable measure of a football team’s quality, then there wouldn’t even be such a concept as an ‘upset’. Any team can lose one game on a given day. You can easily fail to win your conference by losing one game. Your system sucks just as much as any other.

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:33 pm

I agree Joe Bob. The current system is not perfect — neither are any of the alternatives.

Gen Neyland

November 17th, 2009
8:33 pm

We could only use ‘Legends’ that actually ran ethical programs throughout their careers. Narrows it down a bit, huh..?

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:36 pm

If you seek ethical purity General, then it’s probably best to just quit playing the game.

;-)

Answer = Playoff

November 17th, 2009
8:49 pm

the name says it all

Coach O

November 17th, 2009
8:55 pm

“I wanna do-over” might be a better name? Not every answer is a correct answer.

G8TR

November 17th, 2009
9:54 pm

The AP poll is the most credible? Spoken like a true media sheep, Tony. Sports writers are the worst of the worst when it comes to group-think. They follow each others’ logic and report the same trends as each other from week to week. Any group that once seriously chose BYU as the nation’s best team (1984) , and awarded their No. 1 spot to USC over LSU — in a move designed only to thumb the BCS and not reward the championship game winner — is about as credible as Lane Kiffin’s character assessment skills.

6 feet under

November 18th, 2009
12:27 am

The Legends poll:: might as well dig up Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant, prop them up in a chair and douse them with smelling salts. But hey, at least they’d be more interesting than Lou Holtz.

Its an interesting idea Tony, but ultimately would just add more human bias to the situation. Plus, there would be too much politics and behind-the-scenes lobbying to establish just who is a “Legend” and who is not.

Saint Nick

November 18th, 2009
7:10 am

First of all, Texas is gonna get blasted by whoever comes from the SEC. The big 12 was a JOKE last year and is worst this year. TT got blownout by Ole Miss last year, the SEC’s 4th place team. Okiehoma got beat by FLA, and Texas beat a team by 3 points that lost to SEC teams in consecutive years by 14+ points each year. SO, don’t come with the LITTLE 12 crap!!!!

Saint Nick

November 18th, 2009
7:13 am

I guess when need the “Legends Poll” to back and award “NEW” national champions for the past 100 years!!!!!! I guess that would be “unbiased” too…… Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!! ROLLS TIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saint Nick

November 18th, 2009
7:18 am

Listen People,

Don’t argue with M,
He is an idiot!!!!
You cannot argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!!!!

Saint Nick

November 18th, 2009
7:20 am

6 feet under,

You would have to include Rockney because you would have to have the ND presence!!!

Hey Dogtards

November 18th, 2009
8:44 am

That is a joke. Look at how high the SEC “legends” voted LSU. Heck, Dye voted Ole Miss in the top 20. The only thing legendary is their SEC bias. Or Tony’s double chin when he yawns.

Matt Deavers

November 18th, 2009
9:11 am

Tony, excellent article. An argument I’ve been making since the coaches got together and started this poll a few years ago. I think each one of them runs an occasional blog on their site … they started that way at least. It’s very interesting to get the insight of the old ball coaches on the state of the game today.

One interesting thing is that you’d assume a bunch of coaches who made their names at the traditional powers of college football would continually promote those powerhouse conferences and keep the mid-major conference teams down, but that’s not the case at all. The truth is almost each one of them got where they are by building programs at many levels, and they understand that the talent level and level of competition is not so vastly different that say a TCU couldn’t beat a Texas, Alabama, or Florida 5-6 times out of 10. Their poll provides the most balanced view into where teams truly stand.

Trade School Junkie

November 18th, 2009
10:28 am

I guess next, they’ll add a “Swimsuit Competition” to this charade called the BCS.

Changing the “packaging” or “methodology”
on this fradulent CARTEL called the BCS,
doesnt change the simple fact:

THE BCS IS A FRAUDULENT…CARTEL.

READ:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

Trade School Junkie

November 18th, 2009
10:30 am

And, for Tony to continue to endorse this fraud called the BCS……..tells you ALL you ever need to know about another
sports fraud……Tony Barnhart, himself

Coach O

November 18th, 2009
12:04 pm

Trade School Junkie,

If your Beez hadn’t gotten blown away by the Hurricanes, then you might have a slightly different attitude right now. Most of the ranting about the BCS comes from the losers that “the system” leaves out in the cold.

There can only be one Champion, no matter which system is used. If there were no BCS, your team still wouldn’t be in First Place. The first step toward that goal is winning all of your games. Still, that alone won’t get you there. It ain’t easy — it ain’t supposed to be.

Mike

November 18th, 2009
2:45 pm

The BCS is far from perfect but it beats the heck out of the old system. As far as a playoff I for one am against it. I like for the games to mean something all season. Look what has happened to NCAA basketball. The games mean nothing until march.

TLH Gator

November 18th, 2009
3:34 pm

Mike – regular season games do mean something…until you lose one game, especially if it is late in the season, then your team is out, unless it gets help. At least with a 16 team playoff, a team can lose early or late and its body of work for the entire season could qualify it for the playoff. Although not likely, a playoff could encourage more attractive non-conference games sweetened by the offer of television $. A fallacy of the current system is highlighted by my Gators who avoid a rival, Miami, and play three cupcake non-conference games per year.

Coach O

November 18th, 2009
5:18 pm

TLH Gator,

I don’t see your point regarding a playoff encouraging more attractive OOC games? How would a playoff motivate such a change?

TLH Gator

November 19th, 2009
10:25 am

Coach – because a loss does not hurt a team’s chances at making the playoffs like it does in the curren system. Similar to the basketball tournament, a two loss team with one “quality” loss could get in the playoff over a team with two or even one bad loss(es).

Rob

November 19th, 2009
12:01 pm

Bamboozled, I have two words for you as to what’s preventing a playoff system: BIG TEN. Let’s be honest, if the national championship was decided by a playoff the Big Ten would be lucky to get past the first two rounds.

Coach O

November 19th, 2009
8:26 pm

Seems you’re advocating a “playoff” system based on opinion polls.

What’s the point?

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