Legends poll should be added to BCS
I’ve got some advice for our friends at the BCS. In 2010 you will begin a new four-year contract with ESPN. If you’re going to keep the same format and selection process, and the contract says you will, how about an upgrade of the human polls that currently make up two-thirds of your formula?
Currently you have 59 coaches voting in the USA Today Coaches poll. We don’t have enough space, not even on the internet, for me to point out all of the inconsistencies in that poll. The coaches will readily admit that they don’t see very much college football other than their own team and their opponent each week. Their poll reflects that. The ballots are also secret until the very last one. Secrecy should not be a part of the BCS process.
The Harris Interactive Poll voters are an interesting collection of former players, administrators and current media. There have been some interesting votes there are well.
The Associated Press media poll, the granddaddy of all polls, is the most credible of the group but decided, rightfully so, that it needed to get out of the BCS business to maintain that credibility.
Let’s face it. After USC finished No. 1 in both human polls in 2003 but did not get into the BCS championship, the powers that be changed the formula so that two thirds of it would rely on the human polls. The reality is that the two teams at the top of the human polls at the end of the season are pretty much going to be the two teams who play for the national championship. The computer polls, which account for only one third of the formula, would have to be wildly different to change that outcome.
So if the human polls are going to mean that much, why not try to make them the best they can be? Why not call on people who know the game of football better than anybody? Why not get people who actually have time to watch a lot of football every week?
I present to you the Legends Poll. The poll is made up of 17 of the best former coaches in the country. The list includes Vince Dooley, Pat Dye, R.C. Slocum, Terry Donahue, John Robinson, John Cooper, and R.C. Slocum, just to name a few.
Each coach is assigned a couple of teams to follow closely and they receive DVDs of many games from around the country. After studying the video, the coaches meet on a conference call to discuss those teams in great detail. Then collectively they file their ballots and release their poll. All ballots are public. The results are posted each week by our friends at The Sporting News.
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-11-15/legends-poll-who-comes-after-big-3
I had the opportunity to listen in on the conference call this week. Trust me when I tell you that these guys know their stuff.
“It’s an interesting process and a very thorough process,” said Dooley, the Hall of Fame coach from Georgia. “A coach looks at video with a careful eye. By the time we finish our discussion, we feel like we’ve given all the teams a very honest assessment.”
The Legends poll began several years ago under the title of the Master Coaches Survey. Andy Curtin, who is the administrator of the poll, has been lobbying the BCS to include the poll in its formula.
“These coaches know the game better than anybody and they have the time and the skill to really dig deep and analyze these teams,” said Curtin. “We’ve been very clear. We believe they should be a part of the BCS process.”
As the BCS moves forward into the next four-year cycle, I’m suggesting this is something the conference commissioners should consider. What would be wrong with adding a fourth element to the formula? Collectively, these men have 369 years of head coaching experience. Wouldn’t it make sense to take advantage of that experience? It seems to me that it is an untapped resource that would help the credibility of a process that still remains the subject of much debate and scorn among college football fans.
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283 comments Add your comment
Nachos
November 17th, 2009
7:38 am
GIT R DONE!
tony's a homer
November 17th, 2009
7:40 am
Want to bet the legends poll had uga ahead of lsu in 2007.
Gold Whitey
November 17th, 2009
7:51 am
What would happen is that all these former coaches would start being interviewed by the media for their choices and being guests on college gameday and then all the sudden they are voting with the same bias everyone else is. The bias that says USC, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and the entire SEC are the best regardless of what they’ve done that year or who they have played.
Big time?? Not
November 17th, 2009
7:54 am
Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes
bigdawg01
November 17th, 2009
7:54 am
Slow Day, huh. ZZZZZZZ. BCS is not going to change, too much $$$$$ involved.
Bamboozled
November 17th, 2009
7:54 am
I’ve got a better idea, you know that thing called a “playoff”, yeah the one that 1-AA, Div II & III use to determine their NC…That seems to be a easy fix. We have a bunch of college Presidents and conf commish’s who do not see the light.
jablonski
November 17th, 2009
7:55 am
4 tickets, 4 cokes, 4 hot dogs and a mugging!!!!
BCS
November 17th, 2009
8:02 am
Congratulations to GA TECH: current Georgia State Champion, North Carolina State Champion, and Virginia State Champion.
Burdell
November 17th, 2009
8:03 am
Tech at #6 in the Legends Poll…I like it already! But they are still people…and people sometimes have agendas. Let’s decide it on the field…Plus 3 playoff.
GO JACKETS!!
Nativebird
November 17th, 2009
8:04 am
You’ll never lose the appearance of bias in your new Legends poll either. Bottome line, regardless of the integrity each of these greats have earned, they DID in fact coach for a school, a conference, a region of the country…and like all of us, they DO have bias, (just like reporters).
As much as everyone wants to get around the preverbial elephant in the room…this excersize and ALL excersizes with these polls only illustrate ONE thing, A PLAYOFF system is THE only way to truly find a National Champion of the year.
Burdell
November 17th, 2009
8:05 am
Big Time?? Not…don’t worry Mark Fox will get a few conference wins this year…you’ll start selling some tickets without the promotions.
SimpleDawg
November 17th, 2009
8:05 am
The legends would probably do better than what we have going currently.
What do we do with the 6 undefeated teams we’re likely to have this year?
I’m thinking that TCU and Cincy could hang with Florida, Bama, and Texas….Boise State, not so much. But if 2 more teams were added to the mix – maybe GIT & another 1 loss team – then we could have a nice little 8 team tourney to decide it on the field. We could still use the bowls to playoff the teams, actually making some of them much more relevant than they are in the present format, and still use the majority of the bowls for the other highly rated teams not in the Championship Series.
It could work, but no one will go for it.
R.C. Slocum
November 17th, 2009
8:07 am
I’m mentioned twice in the list of coaches because I get 2 votes.
Eric
November 17th, 2009
8:07 am
Polls should be decided by computers, not humans with human emotions, human biases and human errors. Okay, if you insist, include the Legends Poll as half of the equation.
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Eastside Jacket
November 17th, 2009
8:08 am
R.C. Slocum gets two votes? Sounds biased already.
jambee
November 17th, 2009
8:11 am
All polls are biased. A true champion cannot be determined by a poll.
Tree top
November 17th, 2009
8:13 am
Stupid idea. You think these old men, many who are near death, would be good voters? You think they have nothing going on Saturdays. They have family trips. Reunions. Grandkids come over. They don’t sit around watching football all week. Here’s what you do tony. You pay a 20-30 year old..there’s plenty of them unemployed, who sits around watching football all weekend long. And he makes $250 a day to vote. Cause he knows who’s playing the best who’s the best more than some grandad who left the game quarter century ago.
Mr. Phoenix
November 17th, 2009
8:14 am
$1.00 B/B tickets, free tee shirt, drunk 18 yr. old throwing up on your back.
Eastside Jacket
November 17th, 2009
8:15 am
My quick rundown of The Legends voters shows 4 of the 17 (24%) with SEC ties, one of the 17 (6%) with ACC ties.
Imagine that.
LegendsShouldSimplyRetire
November 17th, 2009
8:16 am
Has anyone looked at how the Legends voters have voted each week this year? Shoot just last week one of these supposed legends had GT ranked 14th! How could anyone justify that??? Most vote the conferences from which they spent the majority of their career much higher than the teams warrant. One had LSU ranked 4th last week!!! When a member of the press votes with such distortion it generally is an outlier due to the number of voters. So unless the “legends” poll adds about another 50 coaches the poll is useless and should only be used when you are in some serious desparation in a restroom without toilet paper.
Kerr
November 17th, 2009
8:18 am
Polls should be used to determine ranking but not who wins a championship. A playoff should have been brought 20 years ago. I went to Ga southern. We had playoffs. Yet my friends who went to Uga and tech didn’t. How stupid is that? Enough with the shenanigans. The fans need to start a campaign to let these pricks know we are tired of the bcs and the way college football determines a champion. We are the only major team sport that doesn’t have a playoff. Lets start a campaign where we don’t go to the bowl games. Stop watching the bowl games. Just say nah, get a playoff. We do that and these jerkoffs will change their ways. We have the control. They don’t.
ZamBonE
November 17th, 2009
8:19 am
The Coaches Poll is the first thing that needs to be removed from the bcs. The coaches are too busy coaching their team and watching film on their opponents to watch and rank teams they don’t play. The coaches will always vote higher for the teams that they face or are in conference with because they are the only teams they see every year and it improves their strength of schedule which makes their team look better than they may be. Any coach that spends time watching any footballs games other than their own or their next opponent should not be coaching at the collegiate or professional level. The coaches poll has major flaws and needs to have ZERO influence on bcs rankings.
Go Jackets
Eric
November 17th, 2009
8:19 am
I like to smoke penis
m
November 17th, 2009
8:19 am
Tony…just another one of your stupid ideas.
The BCbcs is so flawed that it cannot be fixed. The contracts need to be voided and we need a 16 team playoff immediately. GET OPINIONS OUT OF FOOTBALL. ON THE FIELD RESULSTS ONLY!!!
If we had a 16 team playoff this year…it would be the most exciting sporting event in history. And NO ONE could predict how it would turn out.
Also, did you find it interesting that when Coach Mullen was invterviewed after the Alabama game, he was asked who he thought the best teams were since the had played 4 of the Top 15 teams? He said that he Alabama was the best team they had played and Georgia Tech was the second best team they had played (remember they played floriduh too.)
Get rid of the BSbcs and the human polls altogether…NOW.
D
November 17th, 2009
8:21 am
Here’s an idea……8 teams 3 weekends then we have a real NC.
Tom
November 17th, 2009
8:21 am
$5 basketball tickets. Free Tshirt!! Free apple pie with ticket stub!!
Drunk guy passes out in Five guys burger bathroom two weeks in a row!!
This is the university of jawja.
Jay
November 17th, 2009
8:24 am
How about just keeping the 4 main bowl for an eight team playoff. Then you only have 3 more games after those are played. And they are played between christmas and new years. Very simple.
SadDawg
November 17th, 2009
8:29 am
Tony, it makes so much sense that the BCS will NEVER do it!!
Ron Mexico
November 17th, 2009
8:35 am
Legends poll (assuming RC Slocum only votes once) being added to the BCS formula is a step in the right direction, but any poll with only 17 members is inherently flawed. But it’s gotta be better than the Harris poll. What we need is a TRUE Harris poll, where anyone named Harris gets a vote. That would provide the diversity and volume to get a true ranking.
Concerned
November 17th, 2009
8:35 am
4 of 17 from the SEC, and 1 of 17 from the ACC…If it is called the Legends Poll, how did the ACC get 1 football coach qualified?
Eureka!
November 17th, 2009
8:36 am
I’ve got it!
BCS, under a pay-for-view format produced by Vince McMahon, expands to inlcude:
- current BCS components
- the “Legends”
- a new element – the “thugs”
(consisting of current and former playas, such as the Vick brothers, Pacman, T.O., the Tennessee 3, Me-Angel-O, etc.)
Begin publicity about the time the NBA season starts (to ride with the thug atmosphere of that outfit) and have trash talking prior to each weekly BCS poll release, building up to…
BCS pairings, which should occur in an open ring with a free for all King of the Ring type of thing, maybe a cage match.
Then, the bowls are re-named..
Cotton Bowl? The “New AT&T Texas Death Match”
Sugar Bowl? “Katrina Bailout Bowl”
BCS Championship Broadcast Team? Ric “Nature Boy” Flair, Randy “Macho Man” Savage, a couple of others. The teams can be “managed” by trash talkers like Deon Sanders. The opposing teams steal each other’s women at halftime, etc.
Since the BCS, and college football, is all about money now, we may as well have a little fun – turn it all over to the master mind behind the WWE.
chazzo
November 17th, 2009
8:36 am
The only legitimate and decisive way is a playoff system. Beyond that, sure thow in the Legends poll.
RxDawg
November 17th, 2009
8:37 am
While were at it….there should be an 8 team playoff at the end of the season.
Gen Neyland
November 17th, 2009
8:38 am
Bias is still bias and will always be bias. Are we to ass-u-me they’ll follow the teams, watch DVD’s etc without taking a paycheck for their time and effort..? Money and votes. The American way.
Legends poll NOT
November 17th, 2009
8:38 am
as if Vince Dooley would ever vote for GT in any poll, no he would not, a biased selection before your evern out of the gate
SadDawg
November 17th, 2009
8:39 am
m, I’d like to see some kind of playoff also, but do you really think a playoff will make everybody happy? It would be as controversial as what we have now. Can you imagine the outrage of the 4 or 5 teams that get left out of the playoff, whether it includes 4, 8. or 16 teams? Just can’t make everbody happy all of the time…
Legends poll NOT
November 17th, 2009
8:39 am
give CPJ a playoff, and give it to him now! Let’s all petition the NCAA or BCS
SEC powerhouse NOT
November 17th, 2009
8:42 am
bad idea, you SEC coaches and writers already have your minds made up on who is the superior team, you look down at the ACC and would vote that way, same with the Big Ten coaches etc….need to implement a playoff system …
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
8:42 am
Poll the odds-makers in Vegas. At least that would please all of the gambling addicts who mistakenly think that they’re football fans.
Some unknown
November 17th, 2009
8:44 am
Why do people make this more complicated than it has to be. The ap poll is all that is needed. Do an 16 team playoff that begins two weeks after the conf champs. The 8 bowls are the 4 bcs, cap one, chik fila, sun and cotton. Then it’s 8 teams left, then 4 and then your champ. The teams that don;t make the 8 bowls play in lesser tier bowls that start early dec and are on during off days. It’s not that hard.
StraightJacket
November 17th, 2009
8:45 am
Tony, the polls STILL have too much “relative thinking” in them based on where a team STARTED the season in the polls. I suggest that teams like Stanford are under-rated (because they were unranked at the start) and teams like OSU, USC, Oregon and others are OVER-rated because of where they started the season.
I’ll buy your idea ….. IF …. they have a pre-season poll for fun and giggles, and THEN … DON’T VOTE AGAIN UNTIL after the 3rd week of October.
Of course, this is only the SECOND best option.
The BEST option is an 8 Team Playoff.
-SJ
bamafan
November 17th, 2009
8:46 am
And how does the Legends poll differ from the Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll, both of which you (TONY) criticized?
Craig
November 17th, 2009
8:46 am
Sad dawg
16 team playoff there would be no one complaining like there is today. Even an 8 team playoff would work as no team currently ranked 9th or higher has any chance or any reason to think they are the best in the country. Use two polls to determine. AP and computer.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
8:50 am
I hope GT plays tcu. Then when we win, it will be us and bama as the two best teams. Just too bad we can’t play one more to see who the Champ is. Even Miss St coach said GT was the second best team he played.
Tide Rising
November 17th, 2009
8:50 am
Good idea Tony. But I would still always like to see a third of the formula to be an unbiased computer that ranks teams based on strength of schedule, quality of wins and losses, conference strength, etc.
GatorMatt
November 17th, 2009
8:51 am
Sounds like a great idea, Tony! It’s a shame there’s no person/entity that the fans can lobby to get something like this at least considered.
BankerDawg
November 17th, 2009
8:51 am
Well said, StraightJacket.
The main “problem” is that of preseason polls that are based largely on old data from the previous season. No meaningful poll should be released until October, as you stated.
I don’t see what the Legends poll would add to the process. If we think the current polls are biased, I cannot imagine what these old gents would contribute in the area of objectivity:
The list includes Vince Dooley, Pat Dye, R.C. Slocum, Terry Donahue, John Robinson, John Cooper, and R.C. Slocum, just to name a few.
I would guess these guys would be even more biased….they’ve got preconceived notions that go back several hundred years combined!!
No thanks.
Give me a later poll and a playoff, thank you very much.
GOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS! SIC ‘EM!
Steve
November 17th, 2009
8:52 am
Tony,
I was just thinking about the BCS this morning along with the other changes college football has seen since I was a kid back in the 1970’s. The BCS isn’t perfect, but what would we be saying if we still had the old system of 1979 in place? Florida would be 11-0 along with Alabama, TCU, Texas, Cincinnatti and Boise St. Alabama and Florida would NOT face each other in an SEC Championship game (that game didn’t exist in 1979) and one of those two teams would be locked into the Sugar Bowl. The other team would go to the Cotton or possibly the Orange Bowl. TCU and Texas most likely would have played one another in the old Southwest Conference, but the winner would be locked into a Cotton Bowl trip. Who knows where Cincy and Boise St. would have ended up, but my bet is that it wouldn’t be against Texas, Florida or Alabama. So what you have is not only an unclear national picture, but even the SEC title is in question. My guess is that the Cotton Bowl winner would have been #1 in the AP poll and the Sugar Bowl winner would have been #1 in the old UPI poll. Thank god we don’t have that old system in place today. At least the BCS clears up a few of these questions on the field with conference championship games and computer rankings that consider things like strength of schedule. Is it perfect, heck no!
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jacketbacker
November 17th, 2009
8:55 am
need a playoff…..until then, this is indeed a MYTHICAL national championship excercise….
C tha 1
November 17th, 2009
8:55 am
A playoff is the only true way to determine a National Champion…simple.
Tony,
On a separate subject there was a blog that posed the question of who were the greatest all time top five college and/or high school head football coaches in the state of Georgia. Of course Vince Dooley was number one with Erk Russel being a close second. I believe Mark Richt actually squeeked in at number 5 or so, but with the recent success of Paul Johnson at GT combined with his past success at GA Southern, do you believe he should be included in such a loaded discussion of Greatest Head Football Coach in the State of GA? Technically he has the credentials with the multiple National Championships to his resume’ and building GT into a respectable program. Your thoughts? Oh yeah, I’m a UGA grad c/o 07.
Bama Aaron
November 17th, 2009
8:56 am
Let’s see….remove the coaches poll, which is basically coaches assistants and/or admistrators who rarely watch other teams and probably have their own agenda. And replace it with the Legends poll….a small group of old timers who probably still hold old grudges from their playing days and/or coaching days… frankly I don’t see how this makes the system better?
Until we have a playoff it doesn’t matter which poll you use they’re all going to be flawed.
Lance
November 17th, 2009
8:59 am
What are all the Techmites going to say when they get beat by one of the worst UGA teams of the past decade at home? Do you think they will even admit it happened? I said at the beginning of the year UGA would lose 4 games and Tech would not be one of them — it will happen.
PS– CPJ will also bolt for another school within 3 years as Tech always has been and always will be nothing more than a stopping point in a coaches resume. They all want to move to much bigger and better opportunities.
im4bama
November 17th, 2009
9:00 am
I’d be all for the Legends getting a say. They obviously know what they are doing, because they ranked the top 10 exactly like I would. I know this will sound biased to you fella’s, but Bama should be #1 and Georgia Tech should be ranked ahead of Boise State and Pitt should be at 10.
j-dawg
November 17th, 2009
9:01 am
The BCS is a mess until it gets to the championship game. The final result however seems to be correct. Does anyone feel in the last 10 years that there was a team better or (more deserving) to be at the top than the team that actually won it all. Seriously – look at this. And don’t say UGA over LSU in 07. You don’t win your conference you don’t go. Boise St. should never be considered until they play at least a mediocre schedule. Auburn in 04′ makes the most serious case and their sacrafice made sure that no undefeated SEC team would ever be left out again but I still don’t see them getting by USC who destroyed OU in that championship game that year. So who? All this bitching but the formula works when deciding the final outcome. A playoff will ruin college football. It will ruin the regular season.
spectator
November 17th, 2009
9:01 am
The AP poll (sportwriters and broadcasters vote) is the LEAST reliable of all. These are people who know little or nothing about the game and vote for teams they have never seen.
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:02 am
Pre-season polls reflect where the teams stood at the end of the previous season combined with conjecture regarding coaching changes and new recruits. No programmer is yet skilled enough to write a program that includes human intuition — hence the computer rankings are inevitably flawed.
All of you guys proposing playoff schemes seem to think that you are geniuses who have just invented the concept. Playoffs are just as flawed as are polls. The only people calling for playoffs are the ones whose teams aren’t ranked as high in the polls as they would prefer. if you are truly opposed to polling, then your playoff system must include every team that wins enough games to qualify — there can be no judgment call based upon the quality of the games played. USC over OSU would be exactly equal to Vandy over MSU. You can’t say that the “top sixteen” in the polls should get an invitation to the tournament if the poll is an opinion poll. A true, non-opinion based playoff would not be feasible for 120 teams. If it were instituted, then the best team in the nation could drop a single game and be left out in the cold. It happens in the NFL.
If you don’t like the way that CFB chooses a champion, then take Coach Johnson’s advice and stop buying tickets, stop buying merchandise and stop watching the games on TV. Otherwise, just shut up and cheer for your favorite team.
I'm just saying ...
November 17th, 2009
9:04 am
the BCS seemed like a great solution in the beginning b/c it appeared to have figured out the arbitrary decision of who #1 was after the four big bowls we’d all become accustomed to.
When you look back now at the way it was BEFORE the current BCS (crooked) system you see just how crazy it was back then. Well, it’s even crazier now, except it’s obvioiusly flawed, if not (arguably) fixed. With the HUGE contract signed this year between the SEC and the BCS, ESPN, ABC, SEC TV, etc, coupled with the questionable officiating in games involving FL, AL, LSU (GA game unsportsmanlike penalty) it’s easy to speculate the crookedness in the BCS. They’ve got all their “eggs” in the SEC basket, and you better damn believe they [BCS] are going to have an SEC team in the title game.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
9:05 am
Steve the conf champ in the sec came long before the bcs was invented. It’s funny that the scenario you gave is exactly what we need but add 3 more games to it and you have a friggin playoff.
im4bama
November 17th, 2009
9:06 am
Still, a plus one game, is all that is needed to get everything right. No more than four teams are actually deserving to claim they chance for the prize. Soft conferences and schedules negate the right for claim.
Dave from GT
November 17th, 2009
9:06 am
Weren’t these the guys who said that CPJ’s offense would never work against even a second rate SEC team like UGA?
Besides, any poll with VD would end up biased against GT !
GT76
November 17th, 2009
9:08 am
+1 playoff is the answer. If not,
no polls till end of September/early October and must be public
replace coaches with legends, increase legends to 20-25 with equal spread around the country.
jumbeauxtiger
November 17th, 2009
9:11 am
The Coaches Poll is not credible and should not be used. Many of the coaches have someone in the athletic department such as SIDs submit their ballot. I would have more faith in the Legends.
This is the year the Plus One model is needed. Not all of the current unbeatens would get in but at least it would be more equitable. That said though what would be the chance of the Florida-Alabama loser being ranked 4th under this scenario and squeezing out one of the other teams? In this situation the NC game could actually be a replay of the SECCG. I still would prefer this system over what we have now. I don’t like an 8 team playoff as I just think there is a dropoff when you expand it that much. Then it becomes like the NFL where a 9-7 club can make it to the Super Bowl.
Geaux Tigers
Go SEC
rowdy von wompington
November 17th, 2009
9:12 am
the BCS doesn’t care about credibility. The BCS only cares about money.
rowdy von wompington
November 17th, 2009
9:13 am
and there should be no pre-season rankings
Dan
November 17th, 2009
9:14 am
Tony, it’s hard to take a poll seriously when they have Penn St (who had beaten up on a bunch of girl scout troops) ranked #12 and Notre Dame still receiving votes…
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:14 am
Georgia and Georgia Tech currently have a playoff system in place for the State Championship.
If Georgia wins that playoff game, then I suspect that all of the Tech fans will be on this blog the very next day saying: “Yes indeed, Georgia is a better team than is Tech this year — they proved it on the field of play.”
Because, you know, none of the previous games count for anything once the mystically determinative Playoff Game has occurred.
No brainer
November 17th, 2009
9:14 am
A playoff system is the only answer. What are the big boys so afraid of huh?
GT fan....
November 17th, 2009
9:18 am
Lance, get your head out of your arse!
Okay, so you say PJ is going to be so good at GT that he’s going to leave in a few more seasons, but yet one GA’s worst teams is going beat his team this season. Nice logic….
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:20 am
No brainer,
It’s obvious. The “big boys” are afraid that those little nerds with their pocket protectors are gonna go all Ninja on them and rip their beating hearts right out of their chests.
I happens all the time in the movies…
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:21 am
It happens…
Tide4u2c
November 17th, 2009
9:21 am
I do think the BCS system needs to be tweaked but I am against a playoff.I really believe a playoff would ruin college football and ruin and change the way the regular season is played.A plus 1 type system could work but anything more than that and college football is ruined IMO.I am not against change either I can look at college basketball and realize a playoff would not change who wins the NC it is the big named schools not the little named teams that might make it in but lose.So why change and ruin college football to get the same result?Florida was the best team last year and Utah would’nt have beat them.I thought a playoff would crown a real champ team? Well it would still be the big named schools meanwhile college football is ruined.
Randy Marsh
November 17th, 2009
9:25 am
A simple playoff would be the 6 major conference champions plus 2 at-large teams for an 8 team regional playoff. Games would be at pre-determined stadium. Rd 1-ACC champ vs. Big East champ, SEC vs. east at-large (TCU), Big 12 champ vs. Big 10 champ, Pac-10 champ vs. west at-large (Boise st). Who wouldn’t want to watch that? And shorten the season back to 10 or 11 games to play the first 2 rounds before Xmas and have the championship game after new year’s. Do we really need 12 games to see GA play TN Tech and FL play Charleston Southern? I know, it’ll never happen!!!
JB
November 17th, 2009
9:26 am
OFF SUBJECT, BUT…………………………………………………………. Just read on Rivals Georgia page that the number one DB in the country from Florida, a kid named Joyner, was at the Ga/AU game, loved it and LOVES coach Martinez…..UH OH…………………..Yes, I’ll take a new DC over signing this kid. Any Amen’s ?
Let's Go
November 17th, 2009
9:27 am
A Playoff is not going to happen and all the whining in the world will not change a thing. Think about how the BCS was started and then give me one reason why they would want to change anything about it.
4 conferences get together and decide to come up with a plan to rake in millions of dollars by selling this “so called” national championship game every year to the highest bidder. The kicker is we don’t have to share the money with any other conference but to be on the safe side let’s get Norte Dame to go in with us and you know what within 2 years the stuffy old Big 10 will come on board and bring the PAC 10 with them. The plan worked like magic until a couple of politicians cried foul and then the powers that be amended the rules to sometimes let other teams participate but just to be on the safe side we will made really hard, add another game, and ask for more money. Worked like magic again and we got more money because FOX got involved and out bid everyone else and even though they lost money on the deal the price was set and all that followed would have to pay.
See, as long as there is millions to be made it’s not going to change and anyone that thinks they will change it because the fans want it or “it’s the right thing to do” is living in a dream world. Even if congress got involved, and I hope that never happens, they would just revert back to the old way of doing business and let the bowls start out bidding each other for the best game.
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:27 am
A plus 1 playoff game would be fine by me. I don’t think that ANY system would bring an end to controversy. If I had my druthers, then any proposed system would be finalized on New Year’s Day. At the rate we’re going, CFB will soon be a year round affair and the “season” will never end.
R
November 17th, 2009
9:27 am
I agree that there needs to be a change, the current system is a joke. Ans as much as I respect the opinions of the coaches in the Legends Poll, there are still a few things that I question. For example, they currently have an 8-2 OK State at 13, nine places ahead of an 8-2 Houston team who beat them pretty handily. They also have Oregon (8-2) at 11 while Stanford (7-3) is at 15. It seams to me that in teams that are that close statistically, the advantage should go to the winner of the head-to-head matchup. Obviously there are other factors to consider as well as exceptions to this rule (i.e. a 3-7 team getting lucky and upsetting an 8-2 team). My point is, this poll has the same problems as any other poll, that people are voting instead of letting the on-field results determine the standings. As much as the presidents, commissioners and ADs are against the idea, there HAS to be a playoff. Every other sport, collegiate or professional, determines their champion by a playoff. Save the voting for competitions, not sports. This is, after all, football, not figure skating.
calvin
November 17th, 2009
9:28 am
Yeah, Vince Dooley at the top of the list. How nice.
Ever hear of Bobby Ross? Bill Curry?
m
November 17th, 2009
9:30 am
You all have to realize that Tony is a sec homer-gomer and is for the status quo because it insures a sec team is in the BS-bcs every year.
The sec is the weakest it has EVER been this year…but these sec homer-gomers still try to claim greatness that is OBVIOUSLY not there.
If we had a true 16 team playoff this year…there would not be a sec team in the finals. They are just not that good. It is just that floriduh and albammer are not quite as bad as the rest of the very bad sec.
The ACC beat the sec 6 out of 10 last year and will beat them 4 out of 7 this year. LIke I said…the sec is weak weak weak.
TECH is 2-0 in the sec and will be 3-0 after next weeks annual stomping of the dawgs.
Ask yourself this….who is the only team to beat 9-1 Pittsburgh…that’s right an ACC team (NC State).
Who is the only non-conference team to beat the red hot Stanford team…that’s right an ACC team (Wake Forest).
The ACC is much stronger top to bottom than the sec. And the results ON THE FIELD show it.
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:31 am
Bill Curry?
That’s funny — I don’t care WHO you are!
Miles
November 17th, 2009
9:32 am
The Legends Poll? Oh, ok. Mr. Barnhart, you’re under arrest for public intoxication.
TommyGator
November 17th, 2009
9:32 am
Tony,
This is a real step down for you. Why go from a pool of 59 to a pool of 17? This smacks of ulterior motive!
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:34 am
Let’s just let m pick the NC. At least we wouldn’t have to wait so long to learn who gets the trophy. We could go ahead and award it on Labor Day.
EW
November 17th, 2009
9:34 am
Tony, I like the idea. Don’t know if it will gain any traction. I may be one of the few, but I think the BCS does a pretty good job of getting it right. It may not be a perfect system, but I don’ think there is one out there. I like the earlier post about how the BCS shakes out in the end, even if the path to get there is rocky. And I personally like the debate the BCS generates, what else would we have to talk about? For all the naysayers and critics, last I can remember, regardless of the system there is one formula for success: Win your games and the rest takes care of itself.
Tide4u2c
November 17th, 2009
9:35 am
Let’s Go,
So what! College football is what it is.Your probem is with where the mony is going which is a whole other issue that has nothing to do with improving college football.Money is going to be involved no matter what.So you take away money from somebody and then give it to somebody else but you have’nt chaanged anything because college football is ruined by a playoff and somebody else gets the money.And you have’nt solved anything.
Otto
November 17th, 2009
9:36 am
Changing the human polls would be fine, I doubt you would see much change in the rankings.
A playoff will ruin college football as it has basketball. Who watches Basketball until the Sweet 16 or later?
A plus one will only cause more problems see Tony’s articles during the spring.
The BCS has it correct more times than not and far more often than the bowl system before it.
Coach O
November 17th, 2009
9:36 am
Stop making sense EW.
This is supposed to be a football blog…
SadDawg
November 17th, 2009
9:37 am
Amen. Amen.Amen.Amen., etc
Otto
November 17th, 2009
9:39 am
m, Who beat NC State? An SEC team.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
9:40 am
Randy what happens then if a team is say #4 in the country but not a conf winner. I disagree about the conf winner. Sometimes the conf winner is crap. WHy is it so damn difficult. Just do like div1aa. 16 freaking teams. And those that say it takes away from the reg season are idiots. BS. Think about the games that are played the last few weeks where a team is trying to get into the 13-16 spot that is just on the outside. Or a team that has a big game to end the season and is currently 15th. Or a team that is 7th and worried about losing home field. Give me a break. This would be 200000X more exciting than these stupid bowls and having to wait 40 days before the team even plays again./
McDawg
November 17th, 2009
9:42 am
as a legend in my own mind i would welcome the change
-if Texas loses Big 12-gotta go with TCU
EW
November 17th, 2009
9:44 am
m, annual stomping of the dogs huh? Yes you are 2-0 against the SEC’s Miss State and Vandy. Congrats, your world domination trophy awaits. I appreciate your passion for the ACC, but at least be realistic. You’re excited about an NC State team beating a Pitt team that needed an overturned call to hold off Notre Dame. And how has the rest of NC State’s season gone?? How about Wake (a team the jackets needed OT to beating Stanford? Now THERE’s something to brag about. You like to blast USC for being a media darling but you brag about your ACC beating a team that takes them to task when it’s to your benefit.
EW
November 17th, 2009
9:46 am
Coach O, my apologies. I will have m ghostwrite future entries to ensure nonsensical BS.
Frank
November 17th, 2009
9:46 am
Otto
are you insane? the first round of the tourney is the best day for basketball. and btw, sc barely beat a bottom nc state team.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
9:49 am
The only reason why the nfl can get boring at the seasons end IS BECAUSE there are no rankings. So a team can lock up a first round bye with 2-3 games left. That wouldn’t be the case with coll football. And teams would think twice about scheduling 3 cupcakes like bama, fla and texas did this year. There would be more of an emphasis on strength of schedule.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
9:50 am
Otto
What makes the ncaa tourney so much fun? Doing the bracket. And you’d be able to do the same thing with coll football. 16 team playoff would make this sport much more exciting. The way it is now with these meaningless bowls and then having to wait 40+ days for your team to play SUCKS.
Tide4u2c
November 17th, 2009
9:51 am
Thomas,
As things stand now you can’t lose which means you have to bring your A game every week and by winning people see how legit the team is based on who they are playing and beating.With a playoff you could slack after you knew you were in the playoff, you could just play back-ups to prevent unjury.Example: Alabama could play back-ups in the Iron bowl against Auburn if we had a playoff.The teams that are ranked lower trying to get into the playoff you brought up would’nt stand a chance against the teams in the top 3 or so who have’nt lost especally if they play in a tough conference.A playoff would effect the regular season and ruin college football and not change who wins the NC.
Thomas
November 17th, 2009
9:52 am
Ew
How about the debate where your team winds up in the final 16? How about trying to get the 8th spot for the first round and home field? How about trying to get seeded. Yeah that would be sooo boring. Not.
Old Dawg
November 17th, 2009
9:56 am
Tony, this is a great concept. Hope it happens!