Slive may have to adjust rule on coaches

 

Nobody asked me, but SEC Commissioner Mike Slive may eventually have to rethink and readjust his position on the coaches and their comments on officiating.

When Slive decided to get tough on coaches who commented negatively on officiating, it was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. And for the rest of this season the threat of fines and/or suspensions should stay in place. The atmosphere is just too toxic and every time there is a controversial call, like the one in last Saturday’s LSU-Alabama game, it just gets worse. So the rule needs to stay in place to keep a lid on things for the rest of this season.

But in the offseason when things calm down, the commissioner may need to take a second look at this policy. Here’s why. Somebody I respect a great deal in this business made this point to me. He didn’t give me permission to use his name so I won’t. But he did change my thinking on this issue.

When their teams get the short end of a bad officiating call, coaches feel compelled to say something. Because to say nothing makes them appear weak to some elements of their fan base. I saw one guy in a comment section take Les Miles to task this week because he decided to take the high road on the interception/non-interception call against Alabama. It was clear from Miles’ comments that he didn’t agree with the call but to some fans that’s not enough. They want fire and brimstone. It’s silly but it’s true.

When Georgia’s Mark Richt didn’t raise hell in public about the bad excessive celebration call in the LSU game Oct. 3, some people saw this as a signing of weakness in Richt. That’s also silly. Richt knew it was a bad call but handled the situation with class. Maybe I missed the memo, but when did that become a bad thing?

How about this for an adjustment to the rule for 2010? Coaches can say they disagree with a call. They can say that they saw the call differently than the guy who made it. They can even say the call was “disappointing.” But utter one word that questions the integrity of the officials (as Tennessee’s Lane Kiffin did after the Alabama game) or suggests that an official be “punished” (as Mississippi State’s Dan Mullen did after the Florida game) and the hammer comes down. Hard. Make the line for the coaches bright red and 100 feet tall. You cross it and you will pay a dear price.

Really good coaches push the envelope. In this league coaches have to do it just to survive. It could be the genie is out of the bottle on this one and can’t be put back in. Because the league is so competitive now and because the stakes are so high, the commissioner could be exactly right: Zero tolerance on this subject may be the only thing that will work with these guys.

But, within limits, we want a little feistiness in our coaches. It’s entertaining and college football is in the entertainment business. My friend told me that you can’t completely neuter these guys or the SEC, at least from a personality standpoint, will end up like the Big Ten.

God help us if that happens.

 

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m

November 11th, 2009
8:37 am

Tony,

Tech will destroy Puke and annihilate Cincinnati in the ACCC game. Tech will then avenge the ACC with a thorough whipping of the formidable William & Mary in the inagural Rutabaga Bowl.

Thank God & Greyhound we’re not playing Richmond

JP Owns DJ

November 11th, 2009
8:41 am

Mullen

November 11th, 2009
8:41 am

fire Rodgers Redding!!

N

November 11th, 2009
8:42 am

I hate being this close to m.

Kiffin

November 11th, 2009
8:42 am

Please fire Rodgers Redding!!

rocksteadyfreddie

November 11th, 2009
8:42 am

Tony,
care to address the fact that the SEC does not have HD monitors in the replay booth?? How is that I am better equipped to review a play than the SEC is?? There is no excuse for this. At all.

Petrino

November 11th, 2009
8:43 am

we need new officials!

Saban

November 11th, 2009
8:43 am

love those officials!

Mikey

November 11th, 2009
8:43 am

The coaches need to be able to express their displeasure, like baseball managers kicking dirt on the umpires.
That would be cool.

Meyer

November 11th, 2009
8:44 am

can you donate my thirty grand to the official for our Arkansas victory?

Mikey

November 11th, 2009
8:45 am

rocksteadyfreddie- I guess the SEC cannot afford them.

UGASlobberknocker

November 11th, 2009
8:46 am

Very good point, Tony, I am one who sees weakness in the non response; Im gonna look at it differently now.

The rule should also extend to snide comments about other coaches and players like Kiffin, Spurrier, and Meyer or prone to do. Im talking about specific comments directed at a school or coach in a press conference or reporter. Im NOT talking about the harmless jokes to boosters in the offseason ..as long as they are not mean spirited or directed to an individual.

Roger Reddingr

November 11th, 2009
8:46 am

you can’t fire me Mike I know were the bodies are buried!

1L

November 11th, 2009
8:46 am

If somethinng is wrong, you have to fix it. The best way for coaches to get their point across about the terrible officiating not only in the SEC, but all of college football, is to complain, and publicly at that.

I read on another blog the SEC needs a mark cuban type, someone who will complain and complain and take the fines and just laugh about them until someone, be it the SEC office, the NCAA, etc. fixes the officiating.

1L

November 11th, 2009
8:47 am

Enter your comments here

MattyB

November 11th, 2009
8:48 am

TB,
Here’s a completely unrelated, but extremely relevant comparison-NASCAR. Five years ago, the stars were aligned and the sky was the limit. But they shot themselves in the foot through over-legislation and political correctness. Slive, and indeed all of college football would do well to pay attention to this model.

Mike Slive

November 11th, 2009
8:50 am

We have exactly whwt we want!

Atlanta Gator

November 11th, 2009
8:52 am

I agree with Tony. He’s a smart man. The present ban is not sustainable, but the trash talk by the like of Lane Kiffin must remain banned. IMHO, the coaches should be allowed to roll the tape for reporters and announce that they are sending the tape to the commissioner’s office for review. Nothing more, nothing less. Questioning the game officials’ personal and professional integrity cannot be permitted. Period.

RedKneckerson

November 11th, 2009
8:52 am

I guess Kiffin should now be considered a good coach since he pushed the envelope.

KR

November 11th, 2009
8:52 am

Frankly, I think Mike Slive is out of control. My understanding is that he works for the universities of the Southeastern Conference, not the other way around. I’d like to see some university athletic directors and presidents stand up, back their coach and tell Slive to back off. But that’s just me…

There have been some very bad calls this year. They’ve probably always been there, but now that a lot of us have 50″+ HDTVs to watch the endless replays, we can see them for ourselves. It’s time for the SEC officials to step up their game and improve the quality of their work. If they don’t, you can expect the integrity questioning to continue.

RAMBLE ON!!!

November 11th, 2009
8:54 am

Wow, Tony Barnyard writing an article about SEC officiating.

SHOCKING!!!

m n m's

November 11th, 2009
8:55 am

I can’t wait for the choke job that the insects will have against the Bulldogs after they win the mighty ACC division of BCS busters. ACC stands for Almost Competitive Conference of Losers

Brad

November 11th, 2009
8:57 am

Hey Tony… I am a fan of yours and respect all of your opinions (in fact, the only reason I even read the AJC sports section is because of your articles), but now that you have addressed what you think should happen in the off-season with regard to the coaches commenting on officiating, can we please stop talking about this issue? I am sick to death of listening to conspiracy theorists and sore losers continuing to give this issue life. In short, let’s talk football… you know, on the field stuff. All this peripheral garbage doesn’t matter.

junbeautiger

November 11th, 2009
8:58 am

You make valid points and I agree. Good article Tony.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Gen Neyland

November 11th, 2009
9:02 am

bamafan : Geez, what a goof up by me yesterday. But don’t point it out to loudly or else The Slive of the blogosphere might fine you 30K. Didn’t mean to displace McElroy as the guy that’ll lose to Florida in the Dome. Again, my apologies to both Florida and Alabama.

Coaches are speaking out because the offciating has been poor and has aided some outcomes. Excessive Celebration flags are judgement call of which there isn’t a defined line. We all sit and go “Huh?” at some of those. Facemasking, late hits, offsides, defensive holding, for examples, are not judgement calls. Bad things happen sometimes when they are missed. The game has evolved to 24/7/365 and to see an outcome turn on a blown or missed call has to be infuriating. Can’t wait for next years SEC Coaches/Media Meet with The Slive…

Jake

November 11th, 2009
9:04 am

A coach should be able to express his thoughts regarding a call. If a bad call was made and I was a player, I would expect my coach to stand up for me and my fellow team mates.

Ryan

November 11th, 2009
9:07 am

Agree completely with you Tony…Urban Meyer got fined for something Lane Kiffin (and Dan Mullen) did… pointing out missed calls is part of football…always has been. Questioning the officials’ integrity isn’t…

Furthermore…The SEC has some of the best officials in all of football, they are that way because coaches have been allowed to point out shortcomings in the past to improve officiating. How are you going to improve if nobody can point out when you are wrong?

rowdy von wompington

November 11th, 2009
9:08 am

how about fixing the officiating and the coaches won’t need to complain. I say if a ref makes a call so bad that the SEC has to issue an apology for it the ref should have to pass a refereeing course before they can get back on the field.

Gatorrashad

November 11th, 2009
9:09 am

Gatorrashad

November 11th, 2009
9:12 am

Hey Tony….how about have refs who can get calls right…afterall you give them instant replay….and when a mistake is made that the League office says so…Coaches arent crying over being a poor sport for losing games etc…they just want to get the calls right …I think it is a sham that coaches cant criticize calls…if you arent going to use the technology correctly then why use it.

m

November 11th, 2009
9:18 am

Please note that the m-poster at the top of the page at 8:37 is just an idiot crybaby dawg.

Just like the sec in genreral…a bunch of overranked weak teams with a bunch of crybaby fans.

Tech is undefeated in the sec this year and is 4 out of 5 over two years. The sec is weak…weak…weak.

The ACC beat the sec 6 out of 10 in the regular seacon last year and will beat the sec 4 out of 7 this year. The sec is weak..weak …weak.

There is a new sheriff in town…his name is Paul Johnson.

And Thank God and Greyhound that chan gomer gailey is gone forever.

Will Trane

November 11th, 2009
9:21 am

What is disturbing about the officiating within the SEC is the passive attitude of the University Presidents, Athletic Boards, and ADs who received those bad calls. It has huge impacts on the financial affairs of each university involved. More important the attitude of the officials, the SEC Commissioner, and the SEC Officials office is very harmful. Young recruits and future student athletes see this. Do you think they want to attend a University of their choice and a program they want to play in and be subject to this kind of abuse and discrimination on the field of play. Go talk to high school football seniors and listen to their comments. I think the those who live in a vacuum like the ADs, the Commissioner, and the University Presidents do not understand the harm they are doing to the future of a great conference and future athletes. It must stop. But it should start with the dismal of Redding when the last play is made on this season. Any AD or University President who does not call for his dismal has no care for student athletes.

Dawg Fud

November 11th, 2009
9:26 am

Gen Neyland – nice pick up of James out of N. Gwinnett. I think he will prove to be a valuable asset to the Vol’s offensive line.

Gen Neyland

November 11th, 2009
9:27 am

…and to our Veteran’s, thank you.

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
9:29 am

I do think coaches should be able to speak out and point out a bad call however when/if they start questioning the integrity of the SEC officals they should be fined/silenced.Some people act like they have never seen a bad call before it happens and has happened many times before.It is not the ref’s fault your team did not make the plays to win the game to take the ref’s out of it.Bama had 10 penalties for 130 yards in the South Carolina game so no ref help for Bama.Bama had to overcome them 130 yards of penalties and still find a way to win and did.If the ref’s have been trying to help Bama how come Bama is 5th in the top half of the league when it comes to penalty yardage.We’ve seen Bama get in the red zone only to have a penalty set them back which is one reason why Bama struggled in several games in the red zone and had to overcome it and yet still find a way to win.Your teams are just making excuses.

FactuAll

November 11th, 2009
9:29 am

There is a definite difference between disagreeing with a call (i.e. Meyers), and bashing the integrity of the SEC/Officials (i.e. Kiffin). I think Slive is will have to adjust his ruling(s) to address each; they are not the same thing.

BTW….to my fellow Bama fans. Quit whining about every little perceived slight or error by the CBS broadcasting crew. (a) No one cares about your petty little grievances. (b) Danielson does an outstanding job analyzing the games he calls….I don’t always agree with him, but I do respect his knowledge, and honesty.

OrlG8r

November 11th, 2009
9:30 am

Tony, I’ve said all along that this is a terrible rule for the SEC as written. When any ACC team plays any SEC team are the ACC coach/players held accountable under this? Let’s get real. This rule was written as a knee jerk reaction to Kiffin’s comments that the “…SEC letters of reprimand don’t mean anything”. Let it stand thru the season then modify or delete it..

Dawg Fud

November 11th, 2009
9:31 am

ditto, Gen Neyland. Thank you, Veterans.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
9:32 am

Without fire and brimstone as you put it nothing changes.

Spurrier in the 90s called out bad calls and paid his fines. He went on to rule the SEC. Urban does the same.

SEC refs have been bad for decades but the stakes are higher now, the league is making more money, and there is no reason to be looking at blown calls week after week.

GatorG

November 11th, 2009
9:32 am

“Richt knew it was a bad call but handled the situation with class.”

Dawg Fan Tony Barnhard, not so much. Here’s the quote:

“…the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.”

Eastside Jacket

November 11th, 2009
9:34 am

I just wonder how long it’ll be before TB quits mentioning the call at the end of the LSU/UGA game in his columns (aka THE Worst Call in the Last 30 Years of College Football).

Little Nickie Saban

November 11th, 2009
9:35 am

I think the officials are doing a great job! They are following the preseason script very well.

On a serious note, I think Tony B. has a good point however part of the reason for the coaches complaining is because there does not seem to be any consequences felt by the offending officials. I think Slive tried to do that with the officials from the Florida-Arkansas game but it needs to be done more often and on a consistent basis. It does not have to be done in public but the coaches have to know that when calls are made that potentially affect the outcome of the game then the Commissioners Office will take action against the person or crew that did it.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
9:35 am

Irony, a fan crying on a blog about another conf. having cry baby fans.

Do they know they are the court jester?

sact

November 11th, 2009
9:36 am

all of these controversies are stirred and in many cases started by the cbs crew, in particular the color analyst…….we dont need his opinion which has been wrong on more cases than correct….he shouldnt be commenting on officiating, sec officiating is no worse than any other and in most cases better…the conference deserves better tv coverage….they miss pronounce names, cant remember where they are or what schools are involved; one saturday is enough to convince any listener this is a bad group and their opinions are not relevant to the game

Miles

November 11th, 2009
9:36 am

Mr. Barnhart, why would you have to consult a friend to come to this conclusion? People have a right to say what they want, including questioning the integrity of the officials! Why haven’t we heard a response from the officiating crews? Is their silence to be construed as holier than thou or merely a sign of Mike Slive’s censorship?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2009
9:40 am

Tony:

“. . . you can’t completely neuter these guys or the SEC, at least from a personality standpoint, will end up like the Big Ten.”

You buried the lead!

Mo-Ron

November 11th, 2009
9:41 am

unbiased volfan

November 11th, 2009
9:47 am

Tony, after 8 years of reading your articles, I just realized what a puss and a homer you are.

Jeremy Coleman

November 11th, 2009
9:48 am

One of the major complaints of old school NASCAR fans is that once it became a nation-wide sport with major money, then the corporate culture made driver comments stale and really untrue. It is condescending to the fans for a coach to make non-statements about calls that the announcers, crowds, and viewers MAY disagree with. It doesn’t make the coaches look weak; it promotes an appearance of the SEC and coaches saying “we can’t handle the truth.” (To borrow from Jack.)
This ultimately goes back to the struggle in D1 college football today. The fans are being marginalized more and more by corporate sponsorship. Slive cares much more about TV revenue, than his customers. Exhibit A is the BCS.

DawginLex

November 11th, 2009
9:52 am

M,

The ACC blows. That’s why Tech has a shot to win the conference title.

Gen Neyland

November 11th, 2009
9:54 am

Dawg Fud : James is a darn good pick. CLK must keep the interest up and continue to gather the peices. Tennessee’s OL needs a few more recruits and I have confidence they will come. CLK et al Atop Rocky are working hard to get ‘em…

anthony

November 11th, 2009
9:55 am

Tony, To me the SEC looks pretty stupid telling coach’s (ie Petrino) not to complain about a call that was so bad the officials got suspended for it. Let everyone speak their minds I say. If a coach makes a slanderous accusation then there are already legal recourses to take. If there is one thing not needed its new rules, laws or whatever else can be thought of. Who knows if the officials either directly or indirectly are encouraged to protect the higher ranked teams. It did not seem that way with Georgia last year. The point is if people are free to speak their mind it will all work out. And if someone crosses the line we already have laws for that.
One of biggest problems is the replay officials are trying to justify the call on the field rather than just get it right.

SadDawg

November 11th, 2009
9:59 am

Our coach is sooo classy!

Freddie Kitchens

November 11th, 2009
10:00 am

Tony, its interesting you make this point A/F Coach Urban made a $30,000 donation to the league.

If I remember correctly: ” Spikes will sit the game, will Urban Meyer join him”

Darius

November 11th, 2009
10:00 am

LOL @ Tony. You contributed to the out of control comments from the coaches and the reaction by Slive with your columns and show. You used your column to push a personal agenda because of a bad call against your beloved Dawgs. You pushed and pushed and pushed. You then pushed your personal agenda in the Spikes incident because it once again involved your beloved Dawgs. Despite BJ Jones (who actually played the game) telling you straight out that you were wrong, you pushed and pushed and pushed. Where is your column about the Clemson defender getting caught with his hand up in the helmet of the FSU player this past weekend? Where is the outrage?

And when Meyer made a very mundane comment about the refs completely missing the personal foul call for Nick Williams’ late hit, you once again used your column to push your personal agenda that Meyer should be fined by Slive.

And, now we are supposed to care that you have seen the light because you finally decide to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about? Maybe you should listen to people who know more than you and people who have actually played the game BEFORE you write one of your columns pushing your personal agenda.

Slive set an ugly precedent when he fined Meyer for making a non-inflammatory comment that is made by college football coaches each and every week all over the country without so much as whisper from columnists or reprimands from the conference. It is one thing to tell coaches like Petrino, Kiffin, and Mullins to shut their traps when they are ranting and raving about “conspiracies” and “firing officials”. It is a completely different thing to fine a coach for simply commenting the officials missed a call and tape was sent to the SEC office. The fact that you could not see that clearly last week just goes to show how you personal bias has clouded your judgement.

Slive and the SEC are not the only ones who need to do some soul searching in the offseason.

Anthony

November 11th, 2009
10:00 am

Tony, Just wondering why you hardly if ever interact on your blog?

SC Rules!!!

November 11th, 2009
10:02 am

Tony,

I agree that Mr. Slive will neet to & should address his stance on the coaches comments. After all there are times when their comments have merrit.

Tide Rising,

(From yesterday) I agree that the SEC has superior D and the PAC-10 has the better O; that is just how we’ve always looked at the game. Sure we try and have a stout D but we know we can run the other team into the ground so to speak with an unrelenting O. Look at the PAC-10 domination of the Rose Bowl vs. the Big 10 they always had bigger, stronger SLOWER teams. We would just light them up and they would be dog tired come the 4th qtr. The SEC is a GREAT conference as I’ve always said, but as you pointed out the “home town folk” can’t/won’t see the trees for the forest and acknowledge that there are teams out there (Pac 10, Utah, BSU TCU etc…) that are good too. Appreciate the fact that you can! When the new BCS contract comes up in 2014 I think we need to push for a round robin Bowl alignment much as the NC game rotates among the Big Bowls. This would allow the SEC vs. USC/UCLA/UW/UO match-ups that would be a true test for both and be very entertaining for the fans!

Fight On!!! RTR!!!! Mt Cody will crack T-bone like fresh eggs for breakfast!!

Long Time Gator

November 11th, 2009
10:03 am

Tony, you seem to be waffling a bit, … but it’s good to see you coming around, young man. As my old boss used to say, “somebody’s got to be the boss.” In this case, Slive is the boss and the right response (in Meyer’s case) was to somehow not evoke any penalty and to somehow justify it in public (he’s apparently an old lawyer, so this should have been childs play for him). If you look at the Meyer fine as an isolated event, the conference looses at lot of credibility – it’s actually more of an abomination than the referee’s calls in Athens, Gainesville, Starkville, Tuscaloosa (and no doubt other venues).

Another thing, they’ve got to get off of this “irrefutable visual evidence” thing – I don’t know what the answer is, but the Doe non fumble and the LSU non interception just can’t happen when the good folks at home are seeing what they are seeing.

Best Regards – and enjoy your work!

Ed

November 11th, 2009
10:08 am

One of the issues is that so many experts do not know the minutia of the rules. It is so easy to complain and get caught up in things, when you really do not know the rules.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
10:20 am

I think all SEC fans should take a look at this:

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=16213392&Pg=1

It does make you ask questions about the officials today.

MarkWillieBobo

November 11th, 2009
10:20 am

A good official will discuss it with the head official and the rest of the crew if there is controversy. I’ve seen them do it many times AND pick up the flag and wave it off. That would be no different that video review, just a lot faster. There is no loss of integrity in doing this.

Joe

November 11th, 2009
10:24 am

How about geting rid of this idiot- he has no control over this mess. SEC officials are sewage.

Rickety Split

November 11th, 2009
10:25 am

We are a classy 5 and 4.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
10:27 am

Jeremy Coleman, I agree with your comparisons. NASCAR turned stale with the driver comments and debris cautions became more and more common. Is NASCAR trying to be safer, setup close finishes, or influence an outcome for the race? I don’t know but when the race from the last caution to the checkered is all that matters I don’t care to waste 3 hours watching it. I have not watched a NASCAR race in 2 or 3 years.

Football is going the same way, QB protection rules, late hit rules, silencing the coaches, blown calls (same as debris cautions?). Last year I watched Talking College Football and DVR’d CFB live. This year I just watch whatever happens to be on when I can, maybe 2hrs during the week. Coaches say the same old predictable statements, and sometimes just directly lie about how a player did in practice.

If College Football is not careful viewership will peak and then decline. They have a money making machine on the rise the same as NASCAR 10 years ago.

Homer

November 11th, 2009
10:28 am

Mr. College Football? How about UGA HOMER!

Chico Esquela

November 11th, 2009
10:31 am

How mucha fun would basaball be if the managers couldn’t argue a bad call. I know basaball! Basaball been berry berry good to me!

beglobal

November 11th, 2009
10:36 am

Tony, your comment about college football being “in the entertainment business” is exactly what’s wrong with the SEC. For the most part, entertainment is staged, directed and produced with a pre-determined outcome. College football should be about competition, sportsmanship, discipline and the growth of young men. Unfortunately, it has become entertainment. And a form of entertainment that generates billions of dollars for all but the players themselves. Football has even become a marketing tool to increase a school’s enrollment and, thus, profits. Division I football has been tainted. Soon, it will drive away its core fanbase and when the novelty wears off and the fringe fans disappear, maybe SEC football will go back to its original intent.

Christian Dior Dogg

November 11th, 2009
10:39 am

Tony I agree with everything you say, especially about our dear Dawgs. Have you heard anything about what color jerseys they’ll be wearing on Saturday? Some of us are trying to coordinate our outfits!

Top Dawg

November 11th, 2009
10:39 am

That was an interception by Patrick Peterson. Put an asterisk by whatever Bammer does for the rest of this season.

Mean Dean

November 11th, 2009
10:41 am

Brad–you’re exactly right. Tony, find something to talk about besides SEC officiating and the SEC commissioner! Goodness. How about discussing something like, oh, I don’t know, college football teams and players! Go back and look at how many articles you’ve written on this subject. Everyone else has moved on, but you insist on beating this dead horse. Your act is wearing thin.

Homer Dawg

November 11th, 2009
10:46 am

Come on, guys – it’s time to lay off Tony!

I for one really enjoy reading Mr. SEC Officiating’s daily blogs. I can’t wait to see what he writes about tomorrow.

Vols_1

November 11th, 2009
10:52 am

Perhaps the real solution to the problem is for Slive to focus on upgrading the officiating in the conference. When calls consistently favor the higher-ranked teams, it can’t be coincidence.

Change needs to start at the top with a new officiating head being brought in from outside the conference. This person should conduct a top-to-bottom review of every game. Refs who perform below a certain threshold should be removed.

If Slive is unwilling to do anything about officiating, he should be removed though I know Florida and Alabama won’t support that move.

Got 12?

November 11th, 2009
10:56 am

Hopefully, the losing teams’ players and coaches are more concerned with their upcoming games than whining (like their fans).

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2009
10:56 am

GatorG, I liked the 9:32 post. Too funny.

I dont’ think they need to change the rules. If you question the integrity of the refs (Kiffin) or say that they should be punished (Mullen) then you bring out the guns. I don’t think that what Meyer did was wrong, I thought that he was asked about it and yes he thought it was late and should have been called. And I agree with him on that. I guess the 30K was to buy those HD monitor that they so desperately need.

Otto, good pictures and footage there. I don’t want to comment for fear of getting reprimanded and fined by Slive.

Floyd

November 11th, 2009
10:58 am

Here is the flaw in Slive’s handling of the situation:

Until coaches began to speak up about the poor officiating, he did NOTHING to address it. Until that happened…until coaches began calling the integrity and competency of officials into question…Slive was perfectly content to act as though the problem didn’t exist, make excuses or in some cases even lend his support to the officials.

You can’t be in charge of what is obviously the worst officiating crews in college football, do nothing to improve the situation, and then get pissy at the coaches when they finally get upset about seeing the same officials make bad call after bad call after bad call.

If Slive and the SEC officials want to have a leg to stand on in this argument, they should have addressed the problems BEFORE coaches were forced to point them out. Instead of solving problems, Slive has instead chosen to shoot the messengers.

no dawg

November 11th, 2009
10:59 am

Officiating has been a “Poke In The Eye” to entire SEC.

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2009
11:00 am

“Richt knew it was a bad call but handled the situation with class. Maybe I missed the memo, but when did that become a bad thing?”

Tony, what planet have you been living on?

You must not be reading your own blogs. If you want to see a lack of class just read on.

Got 12?

November 11th, 2009
11:02 am

Otto,

Please forward the link to site with still pics of the holding calls (offensive linemen) and open field PI’s (Peterson v. Julio) that weren’t called against LSU.

On the count of three, let’s all stop whining. 1, 2, 3….now, on to this weekend’s games.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
11:02 am

Let’s add a new adjective to the Websters dictionary: “Slivey”

H1022

November 11th, 2009
11:03 am

The truth is the closer you are to Birmingham the better call you get. It has always been thus.

JaxDawg

November 11th, 2009
11:06 am

GatorG

November 11th, 2009
9:32 am
“Richt knew it was a bad call but handled the situation with class.”

Dawg Fan Tony Barnhard, not so much. Here’s the quote:

“…the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.”

That was Tim Brando’s quote, not Mark Richt’s. hince the “…three decades of COVERING the sport.”

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
11:07 am

Top Dawg,

LSU had 2 possessions after that call to drive down the field and score and did’nt even if it was a bad call LSU had their chance to score and did’nt.They only got about 9 yards of offense in the 4th quarter.

SuperB

November 11th, 2009
11:11 am

All the SEC needs to do is to tell Lane Kiffin to shut up. It’s a good thing Neyland Stadium is already there. If UT had to build another stadium the only place big enough in Knoxville to put it would be– in Lane Kiffin’s mouth!

Otto

November 11th, 2009
11:14 am

The SEC didn’t tell Lane to shut up after his comments this spring?

GatorG

November 11th, 2009
11:15 am

JaxDawg,

No, that was a quote from Dawg Fan Tony Barnhard’s blog that week. I agree that Richt handled it with class.

For the record, I really like Richt. I don’t know if he can get UGA to the National Championship, but it would be a shame to see an all-around good guy like him get fired.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2009
11:16 am

Got 12? But I can’t help thinking that IF that call had been overturned that I would have heard the “bull$hit” chant from Bama all the way up here in Kalamazoo. Regardless, the calls are what they are and there is nothing you can do to change them after the game.

Tide4u2c, yep you are correct. Just like when UGA didn’t stop LSU after the bad call. Not Bama’s fault the call was wrong. They did what they had to do to win the game.

GEORGIA97

November 11th, 2009
11:16 am

Tony, you’re pathetic. If I f*ck up in my job I’m going to be called out for it and punished, plain and simple. This country has completely lost all sense of accountability and instead we point fingers rather than owning up to our mistakes. If the refs don’t do their job then fire the bums and get someone in there that knows when to throw a flag and when not to. Bunch of bed wettin’ mama’s boys, I tell ya.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
11:16 am

Got 12, I don’t doubt the refs missed calls on LSU.

Either way missed calls that blatant should not be allowed even if they missed an equal # for both teams.

collegeballfan

November 11th, 2009
11:18 am

I do not see the problem with criticizing the officials when they make a bad call. Integrity questions, yeah that is out of bounds. But just saying, “Hey they blew the call…” is OK in my book.

It is a real contest over whether the officiating is worse in the ACC or the SEC. Both stink.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2009
11:21 am

Otto, they did tell him to shut up. They had to direct it at everyone, but we know who it was really intended for. Evidently he wasn’t smart enough to understand that hence the probation. It is funny though that Kiffin’s & Mullen’s comments pretty much paved the way for Meyer’s fine. So you could say that Kiffin cost Meyer 30K. Now that’s funny.

3boysnblaze

November 11th, 2009
11:23 am

I am one of those that wanted miles to be more vocal. It will not change the score but it might impact what his current team and those being recruited. No one likes a boss or leader that is perceived weak and a puss. Miles could not only afford the $30,000 hit but there are a ton of alumni that would have gladly paid that bill. I don’t believe that Slimebag would have suspended him for “telling the truth”. He doesn’t have to be disrespectful, just throw some pictures down pointing out that on a least 5 times, the stripes killed LSU while being blind and mute allowed Bama to do whatever. It’s in the pitcures, not subjective speculation. If Slimebag refuses to acknowledge the errors, then expect the fan bases to become More vocal. After all, it’s the SEC. It’s not only a game it’s a way of life!

Otto

November 11th, 2009
11:24 am

Got 12, A question, reading the comments posted by sports writers the SEC is getting negative press for the refs calls in multiple games.

How many SEC teams are in the top 25?

The SEC is not getting the vote in the rankings anymore. As the dominant football conference with a big new TV contract, the SEC will be hated. The SEC does not need to all something as stupid as blown calls to destroy the image of the conference.

Do you want something like 1966 to happen again?

It will if the media has lost faith in the officials.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2009
11:24 am

And prayers out to the Veterans and soldiers who are fighting for our country. Please remember them today.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
11:25 am

It is funny that Lane cost Urban 30k.

It isn’t funny that it further makes CMR even more afraid to say anything other than “We’ll work harder”

Otto

November 11th, 2009
11:26 am

*SEC does not need to allow

LHardingDawg

November 11th, 2009
11:36 am

It seems to me as if the SEC officials have done a fantastic job this year. After signing the billion dollar tv deal, they had to make sure that Florida and Alabama were undefeated and played in the SEC championship game. It didn’t matter how they became undefeated, just that they were undefeated, with the winner playing in the national championship game. Good job SEC, maybe next year another two teams can be hand picked, so we can pass it around.

b6542

November 11th, 2009
11:36 am

WildBill

November 11th, 2009
11:40 am

With all the technology available to the refs, why can’t they get it right all the time? Its all about the money…………. is why they can’t, won’t, and don’t!

Not Disappointed!

November 11th, 2009
11:40 am

God bless the Vets that have gone on or still here. Thank you for serving your country.

Slive, will have to meet with the coaches and SEC officials at the end of the year. This is gettng a little out of hand.
Ramblin Wreck!

Eric

November 11th, 2009
11:42 am

I’m an Atlanta, Auburn Tiger, but I’ve always liked Tech. m for moron is making me re-think my position.

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
11:44 am

LSU fans point out a face mask not called against the Bama player but check out this LSU player grabbing Vlachos face mask.LSU fans are just whining making excues for why their team was wore out in the 2nd half.

http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/4471068839

RxDawg

November 11th, 2009
11:46 am

“the SEC, at least from a personality standpoint, will end up like the Big Ten.

God help us if that happens.”

LOL Tony made a funny

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kenny d

November 11th, 2009
11:48 am

Otto,
I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time
in your first video the money bag in the ref’s hand is a nice touch!!!
the Tigers just need to pony up more money next year :-)

Not Disappointed!

November 11th, 2009
11:49 am

Eric don’t let M or anyone else take your joy.

Ramblin Wreck!

jason

November 11th, 2009
11:54 am

For the conspiracy theorists out there, it is obvious that Slive and co. want an undefeated UF/UA in the SEC Champ. Why? Two guarrantee 2 teams in the BCS bowls. How much money does the BCS teams rake in for their respective conferences. How much does an appearence in the MNC rake in? It’s obvious that it is all about greed and how much money overall the SEC can rake in. As if the new ESPN contract was not enough. If making the BCS bowls gets a team $10 mil and making the MNC nets a team say $20 mil for the SEC. That’s $30 mil to the conference (Just throwing numbers out there, do not know what the accurate numbers are). That’s why the odds fave UF/UA) gets the benefits of the calls. Have to assure that both teams get in the BCS. We all know there are missed calls in virtually every game, But some of the calls are to blatant.

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
12:00 pm

Jason,

Why would Slive want Bama in the SEC champ game?Had LSU beat Bama and LSU won out they would’ve been in the SEC champ game.SEC is represented either way.Florida,Bama and LSU all had a chance Bama and Florida prevailed though.

Vol Fan

November 11th, 2009
12:04 pm

Richt may handle bad calls with class but that will only enable the next bad call against UGA. I saw it with Fulmer and Spurrier. Spurrier got all the close calls and Phil just took it like a gentlemen. Spurriers best red zone pass route was to run into the defender push him off and turn around…..touchdown gators. Wow, that Spurrier is a genius…..NOT. I’m thankful there’s a new sheriff in Knoxville. Lane will stand up for his players and will NOT take any crap from anyone. I love it.

Mike Slive

November 11th, 2009
12:05 pm

I say fire me!!! But, I will have an undefeated Bama and FL in the SECCG though! LOL!!!!!!!!!

SEC fan

November 11th, 2009
12:09 pm

The SEC is a great football conference. We have huge stadiums, a massive and fanatically loyal fan following and our teams are the most competitive in the nation overall. However officiating in the SEC is of poor quality inferior to other conferences. In fact it is so bad that is may be corrupt!

Michael Slive needs to answer to the university presidents on this. Just maybe they should fire him over this.

And yes! Give the coaches much more room to complain about the poor officiating. Bad calls are controlling the outcome of many games!

Huh?!

November 11th, 2009
12:10 pm

Doh!! …not another blog entry about officiating. The cable show must be taking away from your material. Let the leagues handle it and give it a rest already!!

jason

November 11th, 2009
12:16 pm

Regardless, The SEC has 2 teams in the SEC Champ. That’s what it is all about. 2 SEC teams in the SEC Champ. THe SEC has to have 2 or more superior teams in conference to guarrantee 2 BCS teams. Lets say that LSU with 2 losses is joined by UA with 2 or more losses and a not so good offense. What are the chances of the SEC having 2 BCS teams? With an undefeated UF, they are sure to be given the SEC Champ to represent the SEC in the BCS MNC. If UA loses to UF in the SEC CHamp as a 3 loss team would they still have a shot at the BCS. A 3 loss UA team allows an open door to 2 non BCS teams to make the BCS. Now with the BCS model, that sure as hell can’t happen. That would be opening up a whole other can of worms.

gkm

November 11th, 2009
12:17 pm

Tony:

If I were a Coach that got hosed by a call, as Georgia did in the LSU game, I wouldn’t say word one about the call; instead, I’d tee off against the rule that prohibits me from complaining about bad calls. I sure would like to see how Commissioner Slive would handle that one.

Coaches ought be allowed to complain when referees get it wrong; for the SEC to muzzle the coaches, only perpetuates the perception that it [the SEC] is trying to control everything that goes on during the season, including which teams make it to the BCS. Now don’t get me wrong; I’m not one to point to the grassy knoll. I just think that the rule goes too far. And, like your unnamed source, I also think that forcing coaches to say only nice things about an officiating crew that just caused your team to lose a season changing game, leaves the fan base scratching its collective head, wondering “Coach? Are you not with us on this one?”

Dawgfan1911

November 11th, 2009
12:17 pm

Here’s a suggestion … take the officiating responsibilities away from the conferences and put it under the authority of the NCAA. Not that I’m a particularly big fan of the NCAA, but at least that would eliminate the “conspiracy theory” that the SEC office has an agenda.

Another suggestion … instead of having a single replay official to evaluate questionable calls, have a panel of officials who will monitor the challenged calls from across the country on any given Saturday. With the technology available, it’s not necessary to have the replay official on-site at the game. All challenges could be routed to an off-site location where a panel of 3, 5, or seven judges would examine the evidence and make a ruling … simple majority wins! This, too, could eliminate (or at least reduce) the potential for bias, especially if the panel of judges were composed of officials from throughout the country.

Brew

November 11th, 2009
12:19 pm

Just a thought, but if I’m a head coach with a multi million dollar contract, I pay the $30k and get my point across. When a bad call, or two or three, changes what could have been three wins to three losses, I could be out of a job.

G Force

November 11th, 2009
12:21 pm

It’s time to change the culture and stop beotching about the officiating. A particular coach won’t be viewed as weak if none of the coaches can question the officials’ personal and professional integrity and get away with it.

The coaches should be able to mention that they questioned such and such call and sent a tape to the league office for review and that’s it. No questioning the officials’ integrity; no insisting on suspensions or other disciplinary action; and no idiotic rants. It’s not the coaches job to review the officials’ job performance. No one here would want the performance appraisal for their job conducted in public. STFU and play ball!

macrotech

November 11th, 2009
12:24 pm

He NEEDS to get tough on the officials!!! We’re not asking for perfection….but, WHAT is the point in sending in ‘missed calls’ to the sec offices when they’ve already had such an effect on the outcome of games?! They need to start replacing some of their refs….they’ve proven to be most inept!!!

sb1776

November 11th, 2009
12:26 pm

The SEC is getting more and more absurd. Slive has done a horrible job representing all programs (he represents some like a freakin lobbyist), and now he thinks the conference should be entirely immune from hearing about its mistakes? The two teams “destined” to meet for a BCS play in game have been getting beneficial calls all year (UF some, Bama with absolutely blatant frequency), and fans and the media need to stop ignoring it.

I know UGA fans don’t want to hear this, but we need someone like Spurrier to take over this conference. He’s tough and honest, and he’d put an end to Bama immunity coming out of Birmingham. I just hope Slive doesn’t end up at the NCAA level.

Ed

November 11th, 2009
12:26 pm

There are a lot of comments saying that if the refs make mistakes, they should be fired. Fine, yet where do you get new ones with the experience necessary to step into they huge frenzied crowds and perform better?

What is the solution to fixing the officiating situation? More training? Maybe. Make them full time? Maybe. Form a national assigning organization that eliminates regional biases? Maybe. Will any of this eliminate the human element and thus all mistakes? Never.
I can think of several times over the years where the team I pull for has been the victim of a poor officiating decision. I can also think of times where my team has benefited from a poor call. What do you do then?

I believe you simply must teach the players that life is not fair. This is a life lesson. If we go through life thinking all should be fair we will be sorely disappointed. I am not saying we simply accept mistakes from officials. We should expect a near 100% accuracy rate in their decisions. Do we place the same impetus on the coaches and players? One bad game and we fire all players and coaches?

I do believe coaches should be able to express displeasure with officials, yet I think it should be done in a professional manner. Don’t whine, don’t keep it going, and for goodness sake don’t impugn the integrity of the entire league publicly. If you believe that, say it privately to the league commissioner and not in a press conference.

For those that think the SEC wants 2 undefeated teams because that gets 2 into the BCS, of course they do. Tell me which conference does not want that? I don’t know the answer to this, yet has there ever been a season where there was not 2 SEC schools in BCS bowl games?

To sell the conspiracy theory is ludicrous. Yet I am not naive enough to say impossible.

Folks we are simply talking about a game. We want our teams to do well, and probably want other teams to do poorly. Yet this is just a game. If we spent half our time doing things beneficial to the world that we spend fussing over this game, imagine the difference we could make. Just saying.

NC football fan

November 11th, 2009
12:29 pm

Does anyone know what angles the replay judges get? Do they get the exact same angles available to the public during the broadcast.

G Force

November 11th, 2009
12:29 pm

Dawgfan1911, I agree… take the officiating responsibilities away from the conferences and put it at the national level. The rules will be the same for all, and the conspiracy theories will quiet down a little.

Tony, it looked (for a moment) like we put this topic behind us yesterday. There’s got to be some good games / matchups to discuss…even if it’s for rivalry weekend 2.5 weeks from now.

Otto

November 11th, 2009
12:30 pm

GKM and Macrotech agreed. Refs have only been suspended once, the SEC has a system in place to review the refs but no published detailsm and no coaches are fined for speaking out. It makes a perfect storm for the media and fans from other conferences to run with. The Coaches must go public to make the SEC change, Slive has shown no intention of changing.

Referee

November 11th, 2009
12:34 pm

Personal foul on TB — excessive whining. Life isn’t fair — get over it.

Tech Bandwagon Fan

November 11th, 2009
12:41 pm

Blah, Blah, Blah. We’re better than the SEC. Blah, Blah, Blah. The SEC is a bunch of cheaters. Blah, Blah, Blah. Paul Johnson is going to stay a Tech for the next 40 years and win 40 National Championships. Look at me! Hey, someone pay attention to me!

Ga boy

November 11th, 2009
12:55 pm

It’s a game people- get over it. The officials are human and will make mistakes-always have, always will. The coaches are not perfect-the players are not perfect- so why should anyone want or expect perfection from the refs. And in truth you only demand perfection when the calls go against your team.

ObamaRama

November 11th, 2009
1:00 pm

Eric – you’d let one idiot sour you on Tech. Boy, you must really be sick of the dogs then.

LHardingDawg

November 11th, 2009
1:10 pm

I have always believed the SEC should move its offices out of Birmingham to Atlanta, Jacksonville, or maybe even Chattanooga. It is hard to be non-baised in a town where you go to church, school, and shop with Alabama fans. It would be the same reason the SEC had to move the SEC championship game out of Birmingham. It was a home game if Alabama played in it. Atlanta as a city is so big and has so many fans from other schools, I believe the move could take a lot of pressure off of the officials.

What are you STUPID?

November 11th, 2009
1:13 pm

RAMBLE ON! can’t wait till you get a taste of SEC refs. I hope they somehow screw you out of big win. Then you can run your mouth.

What are you STUPID?

November 11th, 2009
1:16 pm

Review all the calls they screw up and correct them before the tape is sent to Birmingham for wrong way rodgers to review. It does absolutely nothing to here him say, yep, we screwed up sorry you lost that game.due to bad calls.

Chris

November 11th, 2009
1:17 pm

My problem is not so much with the human error of the calls this year, but the outright idiocy in the replay booth to not overturn an obviously bad call! It’s gotten so bad to the point where fans at home AND the TV announcers are questioning whether they are seeing the same replay we are!

Tucker

November 11th, 2009
1:22 pm

Coaches in any league should be allowed to say, “I disagree with the call. I will submit a request for review of the play to the league office.” This should be allowed immediately, no waiting for next year.

NC football fan

November 11th, 2009
1:44 pm

Chris:
You said-
“It’s gotten so bad to the point where fans at home AND the TV announcers are questioning whether they are seeing the same replay we are!”

The problem with this is the announcers often do not know the rules. And that is in many sports, not just SEC football.

Ernie Johnson/Pete Van Wieren often had a rule book in the booth with them during Braves’ games and would occasionally look up rules and then explain.

I retired from officiating a few years ago. Prior to that I was a referee at a fairly high level, and several times I was on television. I would record the games when on television and watch them later. I heard announcers say absolutely stupid things. Often these folks, who had played or coached at a very high level, were not aware of rules and called us out on the air. While we certainly were not perfect (who is) at least we knew the rules. One particular announcer went so far as to question our integrity and said we need more training. He was blatantly incorrect in his assessment on this incident, and the league let him know. This was never publicly announced, and the announcer certainly never made it public, nor did he ever apologize.

I say this to say: don’t believe all you hear from announcers or even coaches. While they know the game, they may not know all aspects and applications of the rule books.

Now as for fans-we all know fans are never biased in their view of a game, right?

Got 12?

November 11th, 2009
1:45 pm

When I see saw the replays, I thought it was an interception. A couple of days ago, a guy, claiming to be a former ref, called into Finebaum. He said Julio was out of bounds when he touched ball as Peterson caught it so the ball was out of bounds and the play was dead. The placement of Peterson’s feet was a moot point. Since the SEC refuses to comment, who knows.

The bottomline is that, like Bama in the SECC game last year, LSU had the lead going into the fourth quarter but was shutdown and outplayed by a superior opponent. Game over.

If Les isn’t whining, why are you?

Shaye

November 11th, 2009
1:47 pm

Chris is correct, as are you, Tony. Human error happens, and perception is a tricky thing, especially when there’s a fast-paced game going on. I accept that. But badly blown calls are badly blown calls (and badly blown *reviewed* calls are inexcusable), and for a coach to not even be able to say they disagree is asinine.

And yes, it is awfully amusing that teams only complain about calls that go against them, never the stuff they get away with. :P Rarely does one call decide a game–it happens on occasion (Giants-49ers, anyone?)–but it is the exception. Even had some of these controversial calls this season not happened, or gone the other way, there is hardly a guarantee that the outcome of the games would have changed. In fact, I don’t think any of the games would have ended any differently.

Brew

November 11th, 2009
1:48 pm

Chris, you nailed it. We can all agree that human error is going to happen. The problem that is more galling is that replay officials have the luxury of watching the plays over and over again and still not get it right. This is not 1999 where you had to live with a poor, game-changing call with no recourse. It’s 2009 and you should be able to recognize in super slow motion an interception when you see it. Millions of others not in the booth can.

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November 11th, 2009
1:57 pm

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Supersize that order, mutt

November 11th, 2009
2:12 pm

Hold the refs accountable, not the coaches. Make penalties subject to review just like other plays. So what if a ref’s judgement call is overturned; it might increase his diligence and/or honesty and integrity in the future. And for those innocent judgement calls that are wrong, then I would think that any referee with integrity would want to know without a doubt.

Big time?? Not

November 11th, 2009
2:28 pm

Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes

Terrell T.O. Owens

November 11th, 2009
2:28 pm

Freedom of Speech is good.

GT

November 11th, 2009
2:44 pm

I think refs treat some teams in the SEC the same way umpires treat rookies in major league baseball or ref in NBA basketball. If you are a superstar you get the call, if you are poor Mississippi
State or modern day Tennessee you are behind at kick off and have to overcome. The first thing these new coaches want to do is establish the old way is no longer and a new set of rules in fairness or even prejudice is in its place. The last thing an old blue blood wants is change, so for Georgia it is good to put a stop on criticism of the ref. They do a lot of double talk, and they act like Eddie Haskel in leave it to beaver for the public, but many of the bad calls they get are make up calls for one they didn’t get earlier in a game. I think the celebration call came after a game full of cheap shots and trash talk from Georgia. As Richt looks like an angel, his players are acting like anything but.

another dawg in ptc

November 11th, 2009
3:00 pm

When the coaches are making $200,000-400,000 per win, it is not a game.
When the SEC is making billions in tv revenue, it is not a game.

The SEC has been reduced to American Idol and Dancing With the Stars. It doesn’t matter who has the most talent, but who can DELIVER the big tv ratings. Dial 1-800-BAD CALLS and vote for your favorite team to win next week.

Tommy

November 11th, 2009
3:35 pm

Tony,

You’re a member of a profession whose very existence is protected by the First Amendment. And yet you’re arguing coaches’ free speech shouldn’t be protected? That’s incredible hypocrisy, and I’m not even sure what it buys you.

Coaches should say what they want and take the risks that comes with it. A coach understands politics — he’s not going to complain about officiating to the extent it might cost his team some calls or make his fan base think he’s a whiner.

I think Slive is building a policy around an edge case — that coaches turn college football into the Jerry Springer Show, which is extremely unlikely.

wheelz007

November 11th, 2009
3:38 pm

Coach Miles has a pretty solid track record of being a stand-up guy.

I have no problem at all with how he “publicly” handled the interception call.

What’s done is done. It’s not like there’s something Miles can say or do that will change the outcome of the game. Even after that call LSU had chances to win. I’m willing to bet that Miles understands this.

He understands there are more games to play and that next year is another year.

Miles took the high road. Good for him.

wheelz007

November 11th, 2009
3:41 pm

Got 12,

Julio never touched the ball. Peterson knocked him out of the way. There are photos all over the internet showing Julio Jones completely out of bounds as Peterson puts his hands on the ball.

I can send the pic to you if you’d like.

wxwax

November 11th, 2009
3:47 pm

How about they do a better job training selecting and training officials? How about that?

College Football

November 11th, 2009
4:04 pm

Michael Slive,
Your SEC officials are an embarrassment to the sport. They are either totally incompetent or corrupt. One or the other! Which is it? Either way it is unacceptable!
College Football

Urban Meyer

November 11th, 2009
4:07 pm

Do I have to really pay that fine? Gee! Everyone else here thinks the refs stink! I mean I hate to whine about it, well, not really, I don’t mind whining — yea, I know, I do kind of whine a lot. But when I am tanned, exfoliated and have just come from the salon I know that I look really good!
Urban Meyer
Go Gators!

Nativebird

November 11th, 2009
4:23 pm

Instant replay on ALL calls, including penalties MUST be installed.

Old Dawg

November 11th, 2009
4:31 pm

I agree with the human error aspect of officiating. At the same time replays reviews have eliminated mistakes from the majority of bigger calls. But then you have calls like excessive celebration where there isn’t a standard. The call against Washington last year and Georgia earlier this season come to mind, and the allowing of Tebow to dance around like a cheerleader completely muddy the call and fans’ respect for officials.

I don’t dislike Tebow as a player, just his actions. Fair’s fair, and the inability of the SEC and other conferences to have a consistent policy on celebration is way over due.

As for coaches comments, I like it when they display class and don’t use the tactics of professional wrestlers and their managers.

Nativebird

November 11th, 2009
4:50 pm

Les Miles taking the high road is like Bill Clinton taking a marriage counseling class.

jesse james

November 11th, 2009
4:51 pm

Coach Richt made an interesting statement on his show Monday night. He said that in every UGA game this year not only has the Dawgs been penalized alot, but the other teams have had their most penalized game of the year when they played the Dawgs.

Got 12?

November 11th, 2009
4:53 pm

Wheelz,

The ref on the sideline called the ball out of bounds due to Julio touching it. The replay official was trying to tell if Julio actually touched the ball. The video, much like your pic, does not offer irrefutable evidence so they went with the call on the field.

It’s funny how the refs would chose that moment (70 yards to go against the No. 4 defense in the country with a backup quarterback and backup running back) to cheat after letting LSU hold and PI Bama all game.

If the refs don’t mind cheating so blatantly seems they would have give Bama the timeout instead of the substitution penalty inside the five yard line.

Again, just like last year’s SECC game, the better team took control in the fourth quarter and won the game. Let’s move on. Doesn’t LSU have another game this weekend? I know we do.

ckgator

November 11th, 2009
4:55 pm

Well said, Tony. Urban essentially paid for Kiffin’s sins last week. Big difference between disagreeing with a call and creating conspiracy theories about a league favoring particular teams. Would like to see it change now, candidly. That is all.

Thank a veteran today!

Got 12?

November 11th, 2009
4:59 pm

Wheelz,

Yes, Miles has a track record of being a stand up guy: When Saban was hired at Bama, Miles dropped the F bomb and at a recruiting event attended by high schoolers and their families.

http://blog.nola.com/nolasports/2007/07/i_think_les_miles_is_scared.html

If Miles, a man of such character, isn’t popping off at the mouth, maybe the bloggers shouldn’t either (my recurring theme for the day).

gatorman770

November 11th, 2009
5:12 pm

All college and professional sport officials should be put under a new Obama Administration Officiating Czar!

Tampa Dawg

November 11th, 2009
5:15 pm

Why isn’t Gary Danielson fired for his comments in the Ga.-Fla. game in which he indicted the SEC officiating by saying that CMR was working the referee on the sideline and finally got his penalty as if to say that works.
Send his A$$ back to Purdue and never come back!!!!What a cheapshot S.O.B.

junbeautiger

November 11th, 2009
5:23 pm

Got 12?

“Again, just like last year’s SECC game, the better team took control in the fourth quarter and won the game. Let’s move on. Doesn’t LSU have another game this weekend? I know we do.”

I think most LSU fans recognize that Bama took control in the final quarter and took advantage like good teams do. I think there are just a few Tiger posters who are whining.

I think Miles did the right thing as complaining would not have changed anything. We lost and it’s time for us to focus on La Tech. Miles knows that with Scott out and Jefferson likely not to start, we better be ready or we will be embarrassed. Distractions, or ‘clutter’ as Nick says, more than not leads to a loss.

The Tigers still have alot to play for and can finish in the Top 5 which is a tremendous improvement over 7-5 in the regular season last year. Hopefully the fans and players will move on as Miles has tried to do.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

SeeingRed

November 11th, 2009
5:45 pm

OMG, we are living in the land of sissy’s!!! If you make a stupid call that cost a team the game, you deserve to be called stupid! If you hire your friends but can’t seem to fire your friends…….. and your program begins to tank, you need to be called to nice and to loyal to a fault!! If you don’t get upset with your coaches and players with the same ferver as you do the refs, then you don’t have the right kind of passion! If drive,determination,fire, hard work and burning desire to win is not your bag, then football is not your game!!! Damn it man!!

jacket3

November 11th, 2009
6:02 pm

All of this orchestration is nothing but posturing. What the H*** are these ref’s looking at when they go to the monitors….must be a pole dance. I can’t honestly believe that the replays cannot be overturned. If not what is the purpose of having the challenge in the first place?

As a stadium viewer at the recent Wake Forest game… I though I saw was different that what I taped and saw later. Clearly the refs blew 2 calls. One was very questionable and I was completely wrong about one. Point is these guys are right there and still blow the call. There has to be a check and balance system that is used and not to rubber stamp the call. I do not believe that there have even been 2 calls this season that has been reversed because of TV – and the replays clearly show the errors. Why is that?

If I were to build a building and the wall fell down don’t you think someone would want my hide for a mistake? You bet’cha. Problem is we have the technology and refuse to use it…what a shame.

This year has been bad on the NCAA ref’s period. Maybe they need more help than they have now…..certainly the fans can see the bad calls.

BTW none of my stuff falls down because it is over engineered.

RamblinA

November 11th, 2009
6:45 pm

Why shouldn’t Coaches be allowed to question integrity. I think the integrity of officials should be in question when it seems to be a blatant bad call to protect the top. Bottom line – the SEC can’t have their beloved at the top lose, because then their conference wouldn’t seem nearly as powerful.

It is obvious that UF has been protected all season long, and I don’t blame the commissioner. It is in his best interest. A school in is conference goes to the NC, he makes big bucks.

Bottom line, officials need to get it together or get tougher skin. The commissioner needs to have harsher penalties for bad referees as opposed to the coaches. It isn’t the coaches fault the SEC hired a bunch of idiot referees from the School of Athens.

SC Rules!!!

November 11th, 2009
6:56 pm

gatorman770;

Ref czar! LMFAO!!!!

Gatorbacker

November 11th, 2009
7:00 pm

I agree with Ramblin A, as a Gator Alum, I must admit Florida has gotten many favorable phantom calls this year. I have season tix, and was at the Arkansas game where we benefitted from a phantom PInterference call and the bogus Unnecessary roughness calls on Ark. Another reason why the BCS is really BS, as conferences want their best teams to win as it brings it the big cash from the BCS bowls.
The coaches should definitely be able to say what they want about calls, if the call was wrong, how can you fine a guy for freedom of speech. That was 100% an interception the other day, ask the NFL review guys what they think. Even though it is great to be a Gator with their approaching a 3rd out of a possible 4 BCS titles, the officiating and the way college football is run is comical at best. Please clean up this great sport, fire these old curmudgeons disguised as referees, and bring in some new younger refs.

Charles

November 11th, 2009
7:13 pm

Tony,

I believe the SEC Commissioner does not have the legal authority to fine coaches inside the SEC or any conference. Coaches at public institutions are employees of the state and are subject to wage and labor laws of that state. The SEC Commissioner may have the authority to suspend coaches from competition or levy fines against the institution, but fines levied against coaches (employees of the state) are not legal!

bank walker

November 11th, 2009
7:19 pm

It is most evident that these knuckleheads are steering these games. For Christ’s sake people, if you can’t see it, and you are buying into what they are telling you, then I have some ocean front property in Arizona, you can buy. It is all about the $$$, and Slime is letting it happen. People need to voice their opinion to all these jerks, and let them know, we can see right through the smoke!

petewrigley

November 11th, 2009
7:28 pm

What’s the big deal about criticizing officiating? What real harm does it do? Yeah, sometimes it’s bad sportsmanship–so what?

hm

November 11th, 2009
7:30 pm

has Georgia accepted the invite to the Weedeater bowl yet? OUCH

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
7:54 pm

Conpiracy theorists is it really worth all of this bashing of the SEC just because your team did not make the plays in the game to win?I mean sure I don’t expect people to be quite when they see a bad call but you conspiracy theorists are taking it way too far causing alot of SEC bashing even from fans in other conferences.

godawgs

November 11th, 2009
8:04 pm

Tony-

SLIVE HAS ajusted the rules ALREADY in this PRO-FLORIDA season. Too many calls benefitting Fla., too few against them.

Somenone should investigate the SLIVE-FLORIDA connection. Pretty bad when an ENTIRE OFFICIATING CREW has to be suspended.

Makes you think twice about the GA-FLORIDA game in Slive’s tenure.

bank walker

November 11th, 2009
8:15 pm

bwwaaahhhhhaaaa……hm you are as funny as a hemorrhoid.

Tide, you are one of the highest bidders, you and FU. Please don’t give me that crap you are trying to sell. The officials are awful at trying to hide the fact that they are steering these games, and the whole country sees it. Are you that gullable?

Tom Ragsdale

November 11th, 2009
8:19 pm

I think because college players are getting increasing faster every year the SEC officals need to consider more officals, especially on the side lines. It is easy for one of the officals to be completely blocked from a view of a side line play. Coach Miles admitted the other day he thought it was impossible for the offical to see through two players.

godawgs

November 11th, 2009
8:26 pm

SLIVE-FLORIDA CONSPIRACY THEORY?

It’s odd when journalists like ESPN spends time on 2 different shows after the recent LSU Florida game(Outside the Lines & Pardon the Interupption) giving validity and laying out the case for a SLIVE FLORIDA CONSPIRACY.

SLIVE started in 2002. Georgia (Florida’s division SEC conference rival) hasn’t won a National Championship during that time. Florida has 2, going for a 3rd.

SLIVE– I hope it was worth the money–enjoy it while you smoke those cigars on your porch.

jesse james

November 11th, 2009
8:32 pm

hm – why do you want to know? So you can go ahead and order your ticket.

Las Vegas

November 11th, 2009
8:36 pm

We love the SEC refs here in Las Vegas. They are cheap and easy to work with!

Tide4u2c

November 11th, 2009
8:42 pm

bank walker,

I’m sure you are glad about all of this bashing of the SEC meanwhile your team failed to make plays to win the game.Think back to the Tennessee game Bama was about to lose if the field goal kicker makes it and yet Mt Cody made a play and blocked it and he done it twice in the game not just on the last play of the game.Excuses to why your team lost is just sour grapes had that Tennessee kicker made that field goal Bama would have 1 loss instead of being undefeated.Somebody stepped up and made a play just like somebody on your team could’ve. In the LSU/Bama game LSU had 2 possessions after that bad call and yet failed to make plays to score.Again just excuses and sour grapes.

vance

November 11th, 2009
8:57 pm

Tony I find the class and grace that Mark R and Les M chose to answer the calls for retribution against the REFs a refreshing throwback to southern gentlemen coaches of yesteryaer. Have we lost our dignity? Where are the writers that aLways led the fans down the path of logic? I believe many fans and readers of the local press recognize a coachspeak moment and appreciate a lesson in character class and discipline Life lessons wil never go out of style nor surrender value in place of shouts to look at me

Anniston Lass

November 11th, 2009
9:11 pm

Auburn 41, UGA 17. Another monumental beatdown of the ugly mutts. It’s going to be fun to watch the stadium bleeding red and black, or whatever ludicrous colors the Dawg fans wear this week. It’ll be over by halftime.

Bye bye Dawgs, bye bye Richt. Don’t let the door hit you in the azz on the way out.

Anniston Lass

November 11th, 2009
9:14 pm

Oh, I forgot. The Shreveport Motel 5½ will be the official team hotel for the Dawgs for their Toilet Bowl game. Make your reservations now, it’s not a big place. ;-)

Justafan

November 11th, 2009
9:33 pm

Floyd 10;58…I agree 100%

Ref’s shouldn’t get a free ride, someone has to call them out are it will continue. Some this year sucks.

Denver Dog

November 11th, 2009
9:33 pm

Well, why don’t they just fix the officiating. It should not be that hard. I say fine any coach that says anything about the officiating. Take some scholarships, but fix the officiating.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
9:47 pm

Tony B. posts a statement about “neutering” refs, and he gets that past the AJC censor? I guess they are really tough only those of us who comment. There are some bosses of some bowl sponsers that I think should be neutered.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
9:50 pm

Denver Dog – That’s the problem. The officiating is fixed. Rumors, anyway…mob, government, conference officials, and throw the Brits in there for good measure…

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
9:53 pm

This whole SEC/BCS thing is a big smelly, slivey mess.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
9:55 pm

My dog barfed, and the floor got all slivey.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2009
9:58 pm

If I post anymore I will have lost my dingity. I mean dignity.

Gary Danielson

November 11th, 2009
10:48 pm

I’ve been trying to tell you yokels all year long that this SEC football is fixed! I’m from Michigan, where they play REAL football, so I know about these things. How many times do I have to tell you stupid rednecks that Southern football is just as fake as professional wrestling?

Why, just take the last game that I announced. I proved once again that the refs are on the take with that blatant missed call on the interception. If you don’t believe me, just look at the youtube video.

See there? See that divot? It’s inside the line dangit! Oh, wait.. well that foot made the divot before he caught the ball, I guess. But hey, what about that next step after he caught the ball? What? You can’t see whether that foot landed inside the line? Well no, you can’t see the ACTUAL CHALK, but heck, I KNOW I saw dirt fly up when his foot landed. Dirt can’t fly up if he’s out of bounds. EVERYBODY knows that. Well… at least everybody from the Big Ten knows it. You stupid rednecks don’t know Jack about football. Just take my word for it — I’m from Michigan. Did I tell you that already?

Anyways, LSU should have won that game. And they WOULD HAVE — if it wasn’t all FIXED!!! I’m tellin’ ya, it’s all just a big scam to make the Big Ten look bad. What have I gotta do to convince you low-life Southern scum?

Oh well… tune in next Saturday. I’ll prove it to you AGAIN — you just wait. YOU JUST WAIT!!!

Gary Danielson

November 11th, 2009
11:20 pm

Oh, and just in case you still think I don’t know more about football than you stupid rednecks, there’s pictures of me on the Internet playing quarterback — so there!

http://loserwithsocks.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/gaywalkin21-with-cooper.jpg

luny lane

November 12th, 2009
12:21 am

The gag rule came down for one reason — Kiffin went so far out of bounds professionally, the league had no choice. The irony is that unlike some of the other situations we’re discussing, Lane had no basis for his whining. I think time will prove Lane far more adept with a microphone than a clipboard, but in the interim, no university should sanction a coach questioning the integrity of the league itself or men who do a thankless job essentially for per diem. Note I said integrity. Competence is fair game.

He’ll be gone in 2 years to USC, whining about the SEC the entire way. Fools gold.

Trubengal

November 12th, 2009
1:16 am

Tide4U2C- That 9 yards has a lot to do with Jefferson and Scott being injured previously in the game. We had to go with a backup who had been an INT machine the year before. That same starting qb was speared by one of your players and of course it was not called. BTW there was a block in the back not called on Jones’ TD when Peterson was out with cramps. There were also two face masks of Hebert and Dworaczk that were not called on your D during a sack and a pressure on our qb. Peterson most probably suffer dehydration and a lingering effect of having the flue earlier in the week. Injuries and officiating with the following starters out of the fourth cost us a shot to come back or push to OT; Riley -best LB, Jefferson – starting qb, Charles Scott – best FB/TB, PP – out during Jones’ TD and in segments due to cramps and T-Bob Hebert – starting Center. If y’all were missing McElory, Ingram, and McClain and your best corner during a good portion of the game think you had much of a chance in the fourth.

Trubengal

November 12th, 2009
1:30 am

Got 12 I got to hand it. You are one proud Homer and so am I. I am not convinced that Bama is not much better than us and only slighly at best. We had you at 15-10 before the injuries and bad officiating caught up. PP was not holding or committin PIs. Even the announcers commented about Bama WRs and LSU DBs having incidental contact and feet tangled up. Also Peterson was called for a bogus PI when the pass was uncatchable. Your team took advantage true of some freakish injuries that happened at the worst time. So, yes credit for taking advantage at home with two weeks off to prepare for us. With the home cooking and our health situation you should have won no doubt. We will move on but this game was bitter. There is an asterisk mark right by this game and definitely there should be one for the SEC CG no matter who wins. No offense Bama and UF fans but you guys are getting help. As far as Les Miles being class he is all that and more. The F bomb at the LSU recruiting bash was an emotional outburst in response to Saban’s stunts going on behind the scenes. That is the calling of our former players to help recruit La. kids for Bama and trying to sway current LSU recruits at the time days after he was hired up until NSD. That and the collusion between Saban, Orgeron, and Petey out West with the McKnight deal. Be thankful that Slive is the SEC commissioner and the office is in B’ham. And this is irateness as a natural esponse to our team being hosed. Its not whining by LSU fans; at least those who see the light and through the nonsense that is SEC officiating.

John

November 12th, 2009
5:48 am

I think the officials should be held to public accounting just as coaches and players are. I strongly believe the officials should have their own post-game news conference and be forced to answer difficult questions.

If Paul Johnson can be second-guessed on going for it on 4th down and one in overtime, an official should be also second-guessed on why he let the clock run down after a first-down play.

Coach O

November 12th, 2009
8:33 am

Trubengal,

You’re just gonna have to get used to LSU being LSU again. The Bengals played a pretty good game against Bama, and they’ve certainly improved as the season progressed. Earlier in the season (when MSU almost whipped their A$$), they were over-ranked based on their recent history.

That said, LSU never had a real chance to win last Saturday, even when they got ahead on the scoreboard. The officials allowed a lot of aggression in that game (on both sides), and Bama was just more aggressive. The flu excuses were supposed to be over with in September. The first REALLY bad call in that game was against Alabama, when they completed a 15 yard pass for a first down and the officials ruled it a no-catch.

The video evidence was absolutely conclusive and the call on the field would have obviously been over-ruled, but the end-zone construction in the stadium at Alabama led to another power outage in the booth and no re-play call was available. Hmm… wonder why Gary Danielson didn’t pitch one of his little hissy fits about THAT call?

After proving at the end of the Alabama vs. Tennessee game that he doesn’t actually know the rules of college football, Gary SHOULD have learned to just shut up with the whining and call the game. A little power glitch (that temporarily took out the headsets for BOTH teams)early in that Bama vs. TN game is what led young Mr. Kiffin to spout off with HIS conspiracy theories. Surely Nick Saban sneaked into the electrical room and fiddled with the circuit breakers while nobody was looking, right?

As for your guy Peterson, I GUESS you can call it “getting your feet tangled up” when a DB climbs up the front side of a WR like a step ladder. There is also an argument to be made that ANY ball is “un-catchable” when the receiver is tackled from behind while the ball is in the air. Pretty much ALL balls are un-catchable when you allow THAT kind of coverage. That’s why they invented the pass interference rule.

I’m just curious — what was your excuse for LSU losing LAST YEAR? Better yet, what will your excuse be NEXT YEAR? You still have 51 weeks left to work on THAT one…

george

November 12th, 2009
11:53 am

You really want to stir things up, find out why Miles did not speak up forcefully. Find out if he was threatened with game suspensions if he told the truth in public about Redding and Slive.

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November 12th, 2009
3:29 pm

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Dickey

November 13th, 2009
2:04 pm

Mike Slive should just be fired. He is ruining the SEC and is a sad excuse for a commissioner. He is power hungry and will only get worse.
http://www.firemikeslive.com

ckgator

November 16th, 2009
10:32 pm

Well said, Tony. What really needs to be put in place is a rule that deals with the overall nonsense we’ve seen from Kiffin, etc. Calling the integrity of a coach / player / AD / conference into question, or speculating on conspiracy theories, etc. – should all be punishable offenses.

If a coach says, “we didn’t agree with that call, but we are moving on…” – big deal. But if they cross the integrity line on any topic (recruiting, conference policies, anything), then penalties should be enforced.

Hopefully the nonsense of 2009 is behind us.

“Words speak louder than actions.”
-Lane Kiffin