Time for conferences to get out of the officiating business

 

 

 

On most weeks, it is fun to be Rogers Redding. The professorial Redding received his undergraduate degree in Chemistry from Georgia Tech and then earned his Ph.d. in Physical Chemistry from Vanderbilt. At several institutions, Redding was the chemistry professor that everyone wanted because he could take the complex and make it understandable.

 

Redding, it turns out, didn’t know what complex really was until he became the SEC supervisor of football officials in 2006. And he never really knew there could be a three-week stretch like this, where he has been called everything but, as our friend Neal Boortz would say, a child of God.

 

“It’s been interesting, to say the very least,” said Redding.

 

The SEC, much to its chagrin, has been put front and center over an increasingly loud discussion over football officiating. In three of the last four Saturdays a big call in a nationally-televised SEC game has sparked controversy that resulted in suspension of officials, reprimands of coaches, and charges from fans of conspiracy theories that would make the members of the Grassy Knoll Society blush.

 

In the past two weeks SEC Commissioner Mike Slive has had to reprimand three coaches—Arkansas’ Bobby Petrino, Tennessee’s Lane Kiffin, and Mississippi State’s Dan Mullen—for complaining publicly about officiating calls. The first couple of reprimands are public with no real teeth. Kiffin was sent notice on Monday that his two strikes are up. The third time could result in penalties and one of those potential penalties is suspension.

 

The latest two calls to spark debate came last Saturday:

**–With Florida up 23-13 in the fourth quarter at Mississippi State, Gator linebacker Dustin Doe returned an interception 23 yards for an apparent touchdown. TV replays indicated that the ball may have been stripped before Doe crossed the goal line. After reviewing the play, the call stood. Mullen went nuts after seeing his own video and said that the replay official should be punished.

 

On Monday Mullen received a reprimand from Slive.

 

The rules say that “conclusive video evidence” must be present to overturn the ruling on the field. After reviewing the call on Monday, Rogers said such evidence did not exist.

 

“The default position is that the call on the field stands unless there is conclusive, indisputable evidence that it is wrong,” Redding said. “It wasn’t there.”

 

Based on some still screen pictures that are out there, Mississippi State fans would disagree.

 

The other call came at the end of the Tennessee-Alabama game. Alabama’s Terrence Cody blocked a Tennessee field goal as time expired and in the wild celebration that followed the big guy took off his helmet. Gary Danielson, who covered the game for CBS, wondered if it should have been an unsportsmanlike violation because it happened while the ball was still live. Kiffin was convinced that it was and said publicly that the refs had missed it.

 

Well, the refs didn’t miss it. The way the rule is written, even if a penalty had been called (which it shouldn’t be in that situation), it would have been marked off on the next play and not the previous play. The ball belonged to Alabama after the blocked kick.

 

“That’s a case where the rule is pretty clear,” said Redding. “Even if there had been time left on the clock, the ball would have belonged to Alabama. And if a penalty had been called, it would still be Alabama’s ball after the penalty was enforced.”

 

Fans look at these calls and the ones in the Georgia-LSU game and the Florida-Arkansas game (where the crew was eventually suspended) that the SEC had to admit were wrong and wonder: What the heck is going on here?  So if you’re keeping score at home, that’s three coaches and one officiating crew who have been punished.

 

“What we have to realize is that these things are so important to our fans and they care deeply,” Redding said. “We review everything that needs to be reviewed and when action needs to be taken, we take it. Our guys work extremely hard at this and take a lot of pride in it.”

 

Slive said he backs Redding and his officials.

 

“We have the best conference in college football because we have the best players, the best coaches and easily the best fans,” Slive said. “We take our responsibility seriously and we’re going to do what we have to do maintain the highest standards.”

 

I do have one suggestion as we move forward. One of the most popular conspiracy theories is that the officials are “looking out” for Florida and Alabama because they are 1-2 in the polls and seem destined to meet in the SEC championship game. I’m not going to spend any time writing about how silly that is, but we’re probably reaching the stage where it’s time to take that idea off the table.

 

It seems to me that it’s time for the conferences—all of them—to get out of the officiating business. Let’s have officials assigned on a national basis so that they are not identified with one conference, who is technically their employer. It certainly wouldn’t solve all the problems because officials are human beings and human beings are going to make mistakes. But it would take away one argument from those who see a massive conspiracy behind every missed call. That, in and of itself, would be a welcomed change.

 

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J LO

October 27th, 2009
7:31 am

First!!!!!!! Good article TB

TechDan

October 27th, 2009
7:32 am

TechDan

October 27th, 2009
7:32 am

Crap. I have to stop reading the articles.

Gen Neyland

October 27th, 2009
7:33 am

We need John McEnroe to replace Redding. He’d understand…

techman98

October 27th, 2009
7:36 am

Amen… I have been saying this for years. Each official needs to be randomly assigned to games so that there is no more of this argument. Of course, on the flip side, then the argument becomes a national conspiracy theory revolving around USCw, Notre Dame, and Ohio State, right?

D

October 27th, 2009
7:41 am

Tenn played there ass off and I’ll give them that but my GOD stop the crying!!!!! I think Ala, Ga, and Fla. have just solved there water problems and its coming from Hillbilly U

chazzo

October 27th, 2009
7:45 am

Florida always has gotten the calls. Why is everyone so surprised? LOL

Note: this post is full of irony and sarcasm. If you can’t figure that out, please don’t hurt yourself trying to get it or try to hurt me thinking you got it.

tony's a homer

October 27th, 2009
7:47 am

Still complaining Tony.get over it already. Oh, and to your point, who’s going to officiate if not the conferences? You didn’t answer that. Just like a liberal, no counter solution to your problem. Don’t come back and say the ncaa b/c the they don’t over see the bowls and then the bowls will be without officials. in the end you are still a complaining homer.

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
7:48 am

The clock had expired when Cody took off his helmet. The ball rolled around in the flat for a couple of seconds before Bama covered it. Gary Danielson’s comment was not only wrong but unnecessary. CBS coverage of the SEC has taken a nosedive – we need Todd Blackledge back. He was much better. As for Lane Kiffin, he actually found and was holding the high ground over Urban Meyer, but now he is whining again. However, he might not have done so if Gary Danielson hadn’t commented on Cody removing his helmet. Same thing for Steve Spurrier and the SCAR athletic director….artifical noise? Give me a break!

Where have you gone Jim Bob Cooter ?

October 27th, 2009
7:51 am

Privately “working it out” with the league office accomplished nothing , so the coaches have done the only thing that they could do , and that is go public with their criticism. Tony , we now have instant replay /review . That was supposed to make the officiating more precise and determine the outcome on the field. The stupid mistakes that we have seen this season (all over the league) should be a signal that something is dead wrong here.

We may have the bset teams ,coaches players and fans ,but we have division II officials.

Mikey

October 27th, 2009
7:55 am

Good points Tony- I can’t wait to see what crew shows up in JAX Saturday and more importantly how they call the game. Should be very interesting to say the least.

stay thirsty my friends….

Burdell

October 27th, 2009
8:01 am

Hey Pitbull–

Can you post that letter that you sent Redding again? I need a good laugh this AM.

GO JACKETS!!!

Wrong Bamafan...

October 27th, 2009
8:02 am

…and Redding’s interpretation of the events in the Bama game is off center, too.

The ball was still live after Cody’ block; that fact cannot be disputed. Even though the clock had wound down to zero the play that was effected by the removal of the helmet was the original play that was associated with the block. Hence, the penalty should have been enforced on the PREVIOUS PLAY, not the next play, since the unsportsmanlike penalty was DURING the continuation of the kick block play, and not after the play was over. If there had been holding by TN and the kick had been good, the play would have had to be run again, so what is the difference? The key to the sequence is that it was DURING the play, while the ball was uncovered, that the infraction occurred. Advantage – TN.

Redding just made the whole league look even more like dumba$$es when even the guy in charge of the officials does not know the rule.

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
8:05 am

Cody’s helmet came off after Bama covered the ball. The game was over.
I agree with you had the helmet come off while ball was live, your interpretation is correct. However, your interpretation requires a factual determination that the ball was live……and it was not.

George P Burdell

October 27th, 2009
8:06 am

Interesting idea, Tony, but it will never happen. Most coaches want at least some officials that they know on the field. The coaches want to talk to the referees, and the coaches understand that they will get a better hearing from a referee that they know. It is a common complaint in bowl games where referees from a neutral conference are assigned; the coaches hate it because they don’t have a referee that they are certain will listen to their complaint.

JP owns DJ

October 27th, 2009
8:06 am

Where is Nachos?

Me and You and a Dawg Named Belue

October 27th, 2009
8:07 am

Georgia fans remember Urban calling those timeouts last year and his wife screaming after the game, “What comes around, goes around!” I hope you’re right, Mrs. Meyer.

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 27th, 2009
8:08 am

Wrong Bamafan, your OBVIOUSLY a Vol. Take the fact that you played over your head, and came within a field goal. It was a great game. You better get over it now or Steve Spurrier is going to walk into Rocky Flop and beat yall again.

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 27th, 2009
8:09 am

Where is Fleischman in Chi Town’s Bedroom?

Slim Pickens

October 27th, 2009
8:09 am

Josh Nesbitt for Heisman

Me and You and a Dawg Named Belue

October 27th, 2009
8:09 am

When is someone gonna call an excessive celebration penalty on TEBOW? Oh, wait. I think we know why that’s never happened.

P

October 27th, 2009
8:10 am

Mullen should have complained that the ref on the field got it wrong. It should have been called a touchback and then let the video show it was a touchdown. That’s the real problem. The official on the field blew it.

P

October 27th, 2009
8:11 am

Ref’s should be NCAA, not tied to a conference.

Sautee Dawg

October 27th, 2009
8:11 am

Tony,

You see the play where Southern Cal’s d-back ripped the helmet off of the reciever in the endzone?
No call on the play. Ref’s did give SC a holding call on the following kick-off return to try and make up for it.
SEC is not the only conference with problems.
Worse than that, when you retire to the NFL officiating you get to make stupid calls like the tripping call on Minnesota when they were about to score the go ahead touchdown against Pittsburg on Sunday.
Play review has ruined College football and NFL football.

P

October 27th, 2009
8:13 am

Kiffin kills Georgia, hangs with Florida, and almost beats Alabama in his first season. Looks to me like Tennessee will be a force in the next few years.

Reality Check

October 27th, 2009
8:14 am

I’m gonna be on vacation so I want to go ahead and make my post for:

November 1st – You gayturds got lucky, Jacksonville is not a nuetral site, the refs cheated, you had an off week. WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.

November 29th – Tech sucks, the joke by the coke, the refs cheated, your players are illegally to smart and have futures, chop block, he pulled his scholarship (oh that was CMR, never mind). WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.

December 18th – The motor city bowl sucks the refs cheat the wind blew….

SimpleDawg

October 27th, 2009
8:14 am

THE 85 SCHOLARSHIP RULE:

The 85 scholarship limit rule has spread the talent out so much that there can be a fine line between winning and losing in almost every game. Every play could be the one to make or break a team’s chances of winning…now, every official’s call can be a major determinate in the outcome, depending on when the call occurs.

There’s always been bad calls by officials….only now, with replays, they become more evident, quicker.

Oh, and the stakes are much higher due to the huge amounts of money involved in TV contracts, being on TV more often if you’re winning, more exposure, which draws more top rated players, etc., etc., etc.

The bar has been raised for everyone…..even the officials.

Grantland Rice

October 27th, 2009
8:15 am

Hard to believe people are still complaining about Cody’s blocked FG.

Learn the rules.

Question No. 2

October 27th, 2009
8:16 am

Georgia fan here with no dog in this fight but…maybe no conclusive evidence was there to reverse the call in Starkville (now you’re blaming the sideline camera guy for not being in position, by the way) but shouldn’t the high-stepping act been flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. Just because the SEC says the refs didn’t get one call wrong doesn’t mean they didn’t miss another one on the SAME PLAY?

Brent Cunnigham

October 27th, 2009
8:17 am

Who is going to get UGAs biggest win this year? Miami, Alabama, maybe Clemson in the acc championship game or maybe Texas in the national championship game. It could be any team, except of course the puppies.
7 – 5, if you can beat Auburn and Kentucky. LOL

Not from Roswell Ed

October 27th, 2009
8:20 am

There are a lot of comments regarding the celebration of Tebow and others. After the penalty on Green (which I believe was wrong even though I am not a GA fan), I imagine the officials got a pep talk and got told to let a little more go. If this did not happen, then most likely these guys decided not to call it on their own simply because of all the attention the call received. Just a thought.

hh

October 27th, 2009
8:21 am

LETS DO IT!!! Earlier this year, some Tech fans were hoping to get SEC officials in the Miss St game. That’s how bad ACC officiating has gotten.

Jay

October 27th, 2009
8:22 am

Yeah tony how silly to think it’s a comspriacy. Yet here you are with your 4th article on the subject. How many bad calls do u have to see before you start questioning it? They weren’t this atrocious before. If it walks like a duck, quacks..you know the rest. In this economy with money as tight as ever, what would bring in more viewers Tony?
1 fla vs 2 bama
or 10-2 or 11-1 fla ranked 12th versus 11-1 bama ranked 5th. Yeah tough one. UF should already have a loss. Disgusting

elcid8158

October 27th, 2009
8:23 am

“The rules say that “conclusive video evidence” must be present to overturn the ruling on the field. After reviewing the call on Monday, Rogers said such evidence did not exist.”

Rogers needs to get his eyes checked…from every photo to vidio you could tell the ball was loose.

Nodoginthefight

October 27th, 2009
8:23 am

Need to read and understand the rules book. The helmet came off, which is an UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT penalty, which is TREATED as a DEADBALL foul. Thus, had a penalty been called, it would have been enforced AFTER bama received the ball. It’s amazing to read all the complaining and nobody really understands the actual rule.

bad brad

October 27th, 2009
8:23 am

Just after watching the FL d-back high step and fumble at the goal line, I told my son that if they didn’t overrule the call, then on Monday the SEC would back the officials. Can you imagine the flack if Redding would admit that officials screwed up yet again.

I think officials have always screwed up calls; it’s just that tv technology and multiple camera angles are exposing all that now. But even that does not allow for the poor judgement exhibited in AJ Green call and the one against Arkansas vs FL.

What is needed is a FBS officials group, operated by NCAA. Then we wouldn’t have to see so much of Penn Wagers grinning like a mule eating briars every time he announced a controversial penalty (usually against the Dawgs).

LL

October 27th, 2009
8:24 am

How about the officiating coming from the private sector. And quit hiring these old boats. Get some young guys who can run and have good vision. Not some overweight 60 year old who can barely run

zdawg8

October 27th, 2009
8:29 am

Anyone else find it interesting that the head of officiating for the SEC is a GT grad and the ref who was suspended was a GT grad. Also, Al Ford (replay official) is a GT grad. Either they are too stupid, or there is something fishy going on. Why do they let these GT grads anywhere near a UGA game?

Hal

October 27th, 2009
8:31 am

Actually, WRONG BAMA FAN: a Removing the Helmet and/or Excessive Celebration penalty are both dead ball fouls. Where or whats on the clock is irrelevant. It kinda stinks but thats the rule. If either had been called including Unsportsman, they would have all been enforced on teh next play which was Bama’s ball where it was recovered.

NOW… ATTENTION ROGERS REDDING: I know you went to Tech but to say that the evidence wasn’t there to overturn the call of the Gator showboating a tad early makes you and all the review officials in-competent and you wander why fans and now coaches are starting to scream.

THE EVIDENCE: Go back and look, the man had NEITHER foot in the end zone (which doesn’t matter I know) AND the ball was behind his right leg when knocked out of his hand. Now he could have reached the ball forward and it would be a mute point… but he didn’t. He drug it behind himself showing off and it is physically impossible, that with neither foot in the endzone and the ball basically BEHIND HIS BACK that he crossed the plain and ANY review official knows that… why wasn’t the call overturned?

Tony doesn’t want to talk about the fix, neither do I but damn it’s getting hard to ignore. That’s twice in as many week the refs have saved UF’s butts.

Bill Clinton

October 27th, 2009
8:32 am

I did not have sex with that girl

Aaron

October 27th, 2009
8:34 am

TB, You Sir Are Wrong!!!
It is not without reproach that the SEC is influencing officials about the expectation of play during a game, i.e. to keep an eye on X player for the opposing team because they are known to do Y activity which is illegal. Further if David Stern can and did call his officials prior to the Lakers/Sacramento game and influence that outcome, it is certainly plausible that those similar desires of high TV ratings and a good storyline about Tebow’s last year wouldn’t be a desireable outcome for Mike Slive. Granted, the theorist have no proof of a conspiracy, but you sir have no dis-proof, and hence are wrong to say as such.

Brent Cunnigham

October 27th, 2009
8:35 am

Yes zdawg8, of course they are Tech grads, so were Stalin and Hitler and Ted Bundy was a liberal as was Freddy Kruger. Tech’s the reason UGA spends millions on coaches and facilities and is hoping to be in Nashville for a bowl game. It’s Techs fault.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
8:37 am

Brent Cunningham… good point, like the humor but don’t fool yourself… if a UGA grad cost yall a game you would loose your mind

James Carvel

October 27th, 2009
8:37 am

And I thought Rush Limbaugh was the worst excuse maker. But ya’ll got him beat. It felt like it was not a fumble and they speeded up the video, but not the audio and somehow kept them in sync…….

Jack K

October 27th, 2009
8:39 am

Here’s the video evidence you stupid officials. Even on crappy youtube you can see it was a fumble. The fix is so obviously IN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSqmEOnud5c

ratherBgambling

October 27th, 2009
8:39 am

Kiffin and ‘taking the high ground’ never belong in the same sentence.

The Ghost of Bobby (GT) Gaston

October 27th, 2009
8:40 am

The issue that I feel causes the most angst with SEC fans is that too often the officials are taking the game out of the players hands and determining or influencing the outcome of the game through petty and/or inconsistent calls.
One thing that has not been mentioned on the Doe incident is why wasn’t he flagged for “Taunting” because his actions clearly were out of line and it nearly (should have) cost his team.
The call during the ARK-FL game was so lame and even in interviews Cruse’s defense is deplorable. He thought he saw something out of the corner of his eye??? Really!!!
Or the UGA-LSU game. How in heavens name can you even come close to making the call against the Green kid. If that is excessive celebration then where in the world is that call everytime Tebow jumps up and starts Gatoe CHomping or throwing his arms up in the air. BE CONSISTENT AND IT WON”T APPEAR AS IF YOU HAVE AN AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put the game bacl into the players hands and get rid of some of the assinine rules that place too much judgement with the officials. PLEASE!!!!
BTW- If you don’t beleive that these Refs have egos then you haven’t watched Penn Wagers or Ed Hockaly(sp?) go through their dissertations on calls. Give me a dadgum break. I turn on the TV to watch the game…not you do a standup routine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whine and Cheese

October 27th, 2009
8:41 am

I guarantee you if there were a movement to go with nationwide officials instead of conference officials the SEC would be screaming the loudest in opposition.

Saint Simons

October 27th, 2009
8:43 am

45 – 42 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

G Force

October 27th, 2009
8:44 am

TB, I like the idea of officials being employed/assigned on a national basis instead of by conference. It’ll get rid of some (but of course not all) conspiracy theories.

It would also help solve some of the problems with interconference games. For example, let’s say an ACC team and SEC team play and they use Big 12 officials so that neither team has an “advantage.” But what if a Big 12 team trying to break into the top 2 has a vested interest in the outcome.

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Jack K

October 27th, 2009
8:48 am

Here’s an idea. Let the guys in the booth calling the game make the call. They get it right more than the officials. Did ya hear nessler and gary say that ball is out. Yep.

Homer

October 27th, 2009
8:50 am

I’ve told you guys. You don’t cross Barnhardt and his beloved Bulldogs. He will press this until all the refs children are burned to the ground.

GT

October 27th, 2009
8:51 am

Instant replay is like the DNA test that has sprung many a convicted criminal free in the last few years. Suddenly society has been forced to realize the facts ain’t the facts and all our emotional investment doesn’t change these facts.

Tony I am a little tire of a man head deep in the conspiracy telling me what happens on grassy knolls. Some of your pay comes for ESPN, who bring us a wonderful product SEC football. It does harm to the product to think it is tainted, which indirectly does harm to you. In the old days you worked for a third party, the newspaper. Today you work for the event planner reporting on the event. You are a honorable person but in this modern time you compromise you credibility when the weight of your opinion effects the outcome of a national championship. Years ago manipulation of the stock market was completely legal, some day I feel they will say the same about the college football’s national championship. Silly is when the results of our actions are trivial, I am not sure there is a more serious amount of money in this country controlled by such a small group of humans as college football, not a silly matter at all.

Honest Abe

October 27th, 2009
8:53 am

I take Gary Danielson’s commentary about as seriously as I need another whole in my head. Not at all.

KJ

October 27th, 2009
8:55 am

“Oh, and to your point, who’s going to officiate if not the conferences? You didn’t answer that. Just like a liberal, no counter solution to your problem. Don’t come back and say the ncaa b/c the they don’t over see the bowls and then the bowls will be without officials.”

This might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on here, and that’s saying something.

GeezusDawg

October 27th, 2009
8:56 am

Simple, if you call an unsportsman-like on Teabag you go to h3ll. Who would want that?

Pete Manley

October 27th, 2009
8:57 am

We should have officials not connected with conferences. They are also sometimes paid by indivuidual schools to referee practices. It just presents appearances of favortism. Even though I wpuldn’t suggest Virginia came up short versus Tech ue to officials, any objective person wold say the ACC would not want a team losing 3 out of conference games to be leading one of its divisions in midseason.
An old Southern sportswriter and Coach, Harry Mehre, used to tell a story about an intersectionalgame between North and South. A fumble and ref said”Our ball.”

m

October 27th, 2009
8:57 am

Tony…you have morphed from a typical sec blowhard to a typical sec crybaby.

There are just as many bad calls in the ACC and other conferences….but the sec is such a bunch of crybabies and excuse makers that they cry and cry and cry until they suspend the refs so that the crybaby fans will feel better.

The sec is the weakest I have ever seen it in my lifetime, so they have to divert attention to the officials.

The sec is the chan gomer gailey of conferences….thank God and Greyhound that he is gone.

Fleischman in Chi Towns bed

October 27th, 2009
8:59 am

Waaaaaaaaaaaaa Tony Jabroni crying like a dang 2 year old. GET OVER IT HOMER! YOU LOSE

Da truth

October 27th, 2009
9:00 am

Memo to LAne Kiffin….. study the rules and the game film before you run your trap. I was barely able to watch the LAne Kiffin show w/o vomiting. What a cry-baby. As everybody has echoed….Cody’s helmet removal should have been flagged….but it would not have changed the outcome. Kiffin on his show said Lorenzo Washington was offsides ( and I admit-at first glance it looked offsides). But after reviewing the play, the center snapped the ball before LW’s helmet crossed the l.o.s.. So fuss at your team for the penalties…not the refs. Kiffin should be happy about the no-calls that should have run UT into double digits!

Thanks Hal and nodoginthefight...

October 27th, 2009
9:01 am

…and my apologies to bamafan…I did not know that ALL unsportsmanlike conduct actions were considered dead ball fouls – my bad – and I am a Clemson fan, so I had no dog in the fight either!

Paul Hamilton

October 27th, 2009
9:07 am

I agree with you on this whole situation. The one problem I see in your logic is that you present the idea that the officials would never rig the games or call a game in a particular teams favor. How can you be so sure about this to dismiss it completely???

With the money that surrounds college football, even if it is most likely absurd, how can you completely dismiss the idea betting/cheating scandal? I mean we have seen it in all sports, most recently the mess with the nba. I honestly believe your right about the whole situation, but there is a lot of money surrounding college football and betting on the sport in general.

Three of these four games in dispute have involved alabama or florida. I’m just saying that stranger things have happened. I don’t believe there is any conspiracy, but then again would any of us be all that shocked if one was discovered?

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
9:08 am

No sweat guys – lot of emotion rides on the officials……they don’t always get it right but they are sorta like the postal service….for every letter that is lost in the mail, the postal service delivers billions correctly every day……..

The Ghost of Bobby (GT) Gaston

October 27th, 2009
9:09 am

Yeah I got you Dawg’s just where I want you. In my retirement package I had a stipulation put in place that would assure a legacy of Tech grads that would take the quality of life, known as SEC football, to hell in a hand basket. This is a covert operation to vault the ACC to it’s prominent place as the greatest football conference in the land!!!
Redding a chemistry professor? Really is that all it takes to qualify one as an SEC Head of Officials?????? That speaks volumes of the product we now see on display and the fact that SLive had to step in and make the call to suspend the 2livecrew known as Marc Cruse(GT Grad, bet that one hurt GT Redding) and his band of incompetents.

ucancallmeray

October 27th, 2009
9:12 am

Ok, so I get it. Make excuses for the poor calls, but don’t let voices of disapproval be heard. Sounds like Kiffin is now on Slive’s “Enemies List”. It’s ashame that anti-constitutional rigths of free speech have infiltrated college football!

d dawg

October 27th, 2009
9:13 am

Can Dustin Doe be allowed to high step into the endzone, yet you can’t dive into the endzone? What about that from a Penn Wagers crew, who called unsportsmanlike on Massoquoi for doing the gator chomp and Croyle for mocking LSU by holding his hand up like a phone last year. The same thing Tebow and Knowshon didn’t get called for. IT IS TOO SUBJECTIVE.

Eric

October 27th, 2009
9:16 am

Get rid of all the officials. It can be done with cameras and computers. And let computers take care of the rankings too. Who cares what some coach or sport writer thinks. They’re all biased anyway. I would suggest that every SEC coach publicly complain about the officials. What would Slive do then? D, it’s their, not there. M=moron. Tony is no Liberal, he’s friends with neil boortz. Hmmm, maybe he’s an idiot.

Suck it Nerd

October 27th, 2009
9:17 am

Bad calls happen all the time. But it does seem that the refs have taken the game out of the players hands at times. It happens in all conferences and at all levels. I think replay has made it worse. Before replay if the play was blown you had to move on. Now you have the replay challenge and that seems to add to everyone’s ire no motter what the outcome.

KR

October 27th, 2009
9:17 am

Does anyone besides me have a problem with the concept of the SEC Commissioner “suspending” a coach? The coach should answer to his University president, his athletic director and his fan base.

I don’t see where the Conference commissioner should have much to say about it. What’s next, a University won’t be able to hire a coach without getting the “OK” from the conference commissioner?

Brad

October 27th, 2009
9:19 am

Actually Hal… let’s take a sec to review both the call from the UF/Arkansas game and the call from the UF/MSU game.

1. I agree that no call should have been made for the hit on Carl Johnson. The play was in progress and the hit was completely legal. The problem I have with UGA conspiracy theorists like yourself on this particular point was that it occurred on 1ST DOWN!!!! That means the Gators had 2nd and 3rd down to get another 1st down or score. You guys act like this was a decisive blow to Arkansas’s upset bid, but I remind you that Arkansas gave up the TD, missed what would have been the winning field goal, and gave up the game winning drive all AFTER Florida benefited from a favorable call that went their way.

2. Again, my point on the Dustin Doe fumble is not to disagree that he lost the ball before reaching the end zone because he did. The ball was clearly stripped before breaking the plain. I’m a Gator fan (go figure) and even I was certain that the call was going to be reversed… not really sure what the replay official was looking at. The point I’m making, however, was that this play occurred AFTER Florida went up 23-13. You paranoid schizophrenics claim that this bad replay call decided the game when it clearly did not. Miss. State’s offense fell flat against a dominating UF defense and would likely still not have been able to take advantage of the turnover. I’m not saying that they didn’t deserve the opportunity because I’ll admit that the correct call should have been a fumble and a subsequent touchback.

Look, every team at some point or another benefits from a favorable call from the officials, but the opposite is true too. Your team is going to get hosed from time to time. Even the Gators get bad calls against them. Case in point, in the LSU game, I was furious that on LSU’s only scoring drive, we were called for a late hit on a 3rd down play where the refs claim that Joe Haden hit Charles Scott out of bounds. They showed replays and, of course, it was a bogus call, but 15 yards and an automatic first down later, it was a moot point. The Gator D responded by stuffing LSU on the goal line and forcing them to kick a field goal… that’s how you’re supposed to deal with bad calls.

GTMike

October 27th, 2009
9:20 am

Tony:
(1) Your suggestion makes eminent sense. Let’s hope College Football goes that way;
(2) I disagree with the idea there there is no bias. Conspiracy is far too strong a word, but bias? I think that is simply human. I believe it occurs when teams from different conferences play each other. The officiating crew has likely seen one of those teams, perhaps many times, and is familiar with habits/techniques/moves etc. But the other team is brand new to them, and unfamiliar moves or techniques may get flagged more often simply because of the familiarity factor.
(3) I also think it is psychological too not make a call on UF or Bama unless the officials see it as a certain call. Again, no conspiracy, but human. We all know where they stand, and no official wants his call to ruin Florida or Alabama’s path to the national championship. There is simply bound to be more hesitation to throw that flag on a huge play that would affect the outcome and ruin their seasons.

Not saying the specific issues that have occurred this tear meet the tendencies I mention above, but do believe that over time, that is how the bias works. Your solution would help. Since we are all still human, nothing will ever solve it.

Couch Tater

October 27th, 2009
9:21 am

Of course, on the flip side, then the argument becomes a national conspiracy theory revolving around USCw, Notre Dame, and Ohio State, right? Techman98 @ 7:36

Ha, I agree Techman98. The first “blown call” to go Notre Dame’s way would result in a search to see if a ref was Protestant or Catholic.

TEBOW TOSSES SALAD

October 27th, 2009
9:22 am

F THE REFS F THE GAYTORS F THE VOLS AND F TECH

fitzgerald

October 27th, 2009
9:26 am

Stop using replays for controversial plays and go back to the way it used to be. Bad calls, good calls and in between calls will even out. And you can bet that this 60 year old would never be a football official at the college level. For once, I am too smart to want to get run over by these great athletes.

Rogers Redding

October 27th, 2009
9:29 am

Dear Miss State Fans – Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

Tide Roll

October 27th, 2009
9:34 am

Florida gets a lot more calls than bama—but that will end in the SEC title game. Bama will beat them so bad, the refs’ calls will not matter. This bama D is the best since the 92 title team. Bama beats uf—30 – 17, mark it down!

Football Official

October 27th, 2009
9:34 am

Wrong Bamafan… ,
you are wrong, A UC penalty is a dead ball foul and penalized from the succeeding spot.

o-me

October 27th, 2009
9:35 am

He who has eyes let him see…..otherwise you see only what you wish to see.

DP

October 27th, 2009
9:36 am

While Kiffin is publicly whining that the officiating beat him, on Sunday at practice he made a couple of changes to his field goal kicking unit. He replaced the two undersized guys Cody and Dareus blew up twice on the blocked field goals with a couple of guys who weigh over 300 pounds. If Kiffin had thought of that a week ago UT might have won the game and he wouldn’t need to attempt to deflect the blame elsewhere.

Unlike Petrino and Mullen, who had legitimate complaints about specific calls, Kiffin’s only specific complaint was about a play where he was ignorant of the rule and therefore dead wrong. He also went much further in his comments by challenging the integrity of the SEC and its officiating. Slive was gutless not to suspend him.

Tory

October 27th, 2009
9:38 am

Funny…the three coaches repremanded….Arkansas- bad call…FLA wins…..Missy State…bad call…FLA wins……UT…Bad call…Blama wins………you tell me Mike Slive- why would you reprmand the coaches??? someone has to say something because you are to spineless to do anything. Your boys have decided UF will go unbeaten no doubt. Cant wait to see what the gutless, sewage that you put on the field for the game in JAX this week will pull.

LAdawg

October 27th, 2009
9:39 am

There may be some circustantial evidence of a conspiracy. Is the “suspended crew” being paid for the period of the suspension? If so, it is not a suspension at all; it is paid vacation. From where I sit, if those officials are being paid, they are simply being asked to take the bullet so the SEC can save face, and create the ILLUSION that some sort of justice is being served.

cajdawg

October 27th, 2009
9:45 am

Tony,

I agree with your recommendation of NCAA officials. Great idea.

I strongly disagree with the rest of your post. If the controversial calls this year were random, then your constant belittling of conspiracy theorists would have validity. While I think it is unlikely that there is a conspiracy, to deny that there is a possibility of a conspiracy makes you look like an SEC lackey.

My Miss State

October 27th, 2009
9:46 am

Redding is not going to come out and say…my officials blew that call or any call…It is pathetic and it wasn’t the officials on the field that blew the call….it was the replay official. Mister Magoo must be employed as a replay official for the SEC.

G'villegator

October 27th, 2009
9:49 am

Stop all the complaining & excuess. Even if it was rulled a touchback Fl was still ahead by 10 & their defense was dominate. Does any body think Miss St was going to drive the length of the field twice in the 4th qt to win the game? In the Arkansas game if the bad personel foul call wasn’t made it would have been 2nd & 9 at the 20 who’s to say Fl wouldn’t have scored anyway. 10 yards did not win this game for Fl. Maybe Ga should not have given up a 40 yd return & 5 yds for being lined up wrong after the bad celabration call. Ga 45 yds refs 15yds. LSU also had a celebration penalty on their final TD but they covered the kickoff. Still wouldn’t been Ala ball even time hadn’t expired the kick was blocked.

Mike

October 27th, 2009
9:49 am

Guess Mark will be the next coach “called out by Mike Slime” right after the game Sat. No doubt they will make bad calls all day becuase all their boss will do is…..NOTHING. Down the raoad- look for Mike to call out Spurrier as well. The SEC has already determined there WILL BE an unbeaten UF from the SEC. What a joke this conference is.

dawgster

October 27th, 2009
9:50 am

Again i will just remind everyone that it is just a matter of time before the Vols are on probation due to their egotistic coach…And yes i do believe the gators get the benefit of the doubt on calls or non-calls, look at the recent evidence in some of their games..However, i’m not saying the game outcome would have been different, they are a very good team, the lack of consistancy by the SEC officials calling the gators games is pretty clear…

Don's Optometrist

October 27th, 2009
9:52 am

What a blown call. Dustin Doe fumlbed like Leon Lett and Dre Bly. It was obvious!!!!!!!! If UGA had a 1/2 way decent team they could beat the gators.

Joe

October 27th, 2009
9:52 am

Gainsville Croc of… you are a complete idiot- did you send your thank you card to Mike this week??????? Excuse??? NO loser- All we have to do is watch replays. replays week after week…..

Don's Optometrist

October 27th, 2009
9:54 am

4th Week in a ROW. 4th week in a row. Give it a break refs. Learn how to call a game. We need the best refs for the best conference……the zebras are making it a fricking joke

AuburnPaul

October 27th, 2009
9:55 am

Hey GATORS: Did you bunch of losers send your Thank You notes to Mr. Mike this week? Flowers??? How about a gift basket. Replays dont lie boys……

Gerald Tinnon

October 27th, 2009
9:56 am

It doesn’t seem logical to me to have “national referees.” I just have the gut feeling that on a national level it would be easier for the dark forces of gambling to find an opening in the officiating ranks. Also, I don’t have the confidence in the NCAA to treat all fairly and equally. Petrino’s and Mullin’s reactions were reasonably understandable, Kiffin’s was not. Kiffin’s statement that the “letter from the SEC means nothing” was demeaning and downright arrogant and a direct attack on the authority and integrity of the Commish. His child-like behavior and immature mouthing are not a credit to this conference. He is writing a lot of blank checks, promising his fans never to lose to Georgia, Alabama and Florida again. They will obviously bounce. The ironic thing is that the great majority of Tennessee fans support their coach overwhelmingly, no matter what he says, and that speaks volumes for the Rocky Top mentality.

Dembinski's Optometrist

October 27th, 2009
9:56 am

How do you get an instant replay call wrong? How???

JCDore

October 27th, 2009
9:57 am

Far more egregious errors were made in the VU-SC game, both in SC’s favor. But, alas, since it’s ‘only’ Vanderbilt I guess nobody will talk about it.

senoiadawgs

October 27th, 2009
9:57 am

It is odd that the calls are seeming to go FL and AL’s way. Not one for the conspiracy theory but it is odd.

About the coaches getting reprimanded. I for one have a great amount of respect for Petrino, Mullen and Kiffin. I begged and pleaded for CMR to do the same after the LSU and OSU game but of course nothing. Many battles in today’s world are won and lost in the media. CMR IMO should take this officiating non-sense to the media. Of course Mr. Calm and Cool will have no part in it.

UT

October 27th, 2009
9:59 am

Florida 12-0*

* Includes officials last minute help vs Arkansas and Mississippi State (probably UGA and S. Carolina as well)

I Hate trailer trash

October 27th, 2009
10:00 am

Damn SEC fans are whiney. Take a deep breath go back in the trailer and eat a pigs foot and it will all be ok.

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 27th, 2009
10:01 am

Mr. College Football, if watched something other than the SEC, you’d realize the ACC refs are far worse than the SEC. Then you may have some creditability and stop saying stupid things like you did after UGAg lost to LSPhew:

“I have been covering college football as a professional journalist for 32 years and, without being too dramatic here, there is a good chance that the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.”

senoiadawgs

October 27th, 2009
10:02 am

Kiffin is publicly fighting for his team, because of this the UT fanbase believes they have a coach who cares. It’s simple UGA is 3-2 4-3 UT is 1-3 3-4. Who gets more airtime on national TV? This helps tremendously in recruiting when you are not winning.

goober

October 27th, 2009
10:03 am

Tsk tsk tsk … you guys always miss the real big important issues:

1. How and why in the hell does a former Ph.D. Chemistry Professor become the Supervisor of Football Officials?

2. OK, he got a Ph.D. in “Physical” Chemistry. Is there any other kind?

3. I used to referee games on my son’s Boys Club team. Doesn’t that qualify me to be a Professor of Physical Chemistry at Vanderbilt?

THE REAL Reality Check

October 27th, 2009
10:03 am

Here’s an idea. Get rid of the Excessive Celebration penalty.
These issues should be handled by the players.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
10:06 am

Tory,

What was the bad call in the Bama/UT game?

Go Dawgs

October 27th, 2009
10:06 am

At least Kiffin stands up for something that is not right….so do the ARK and Missy coaches. Who cares what Mike the Commish says…his actions and his officials are a joke. Hopefully the NCAA will investigate this crap. If all the coaches (except of course, Mike’s buddies Urban and Nick) would stand up and say enough is enough, it would not matter what Mike thinks-

Thanks Chop Chop.

October 27th, 2009
10:07 am

Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to push for Gov’t control of over all officiating in all conferences. We cannot take anything for granted. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be put in charge taking Slive place.
They are confident they can stop making major mistakes and miscalculations by working hand in hand with the Pres. and his take control agenda. What a illusion of justice ……… just a opinion.

dawgster

October 27th, 2009
10:07 am

Coach Richt does not bash the officials calls publically as some coaches do, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t voice his opinion, he does, but he does it the right way, if he voices it publically everyone will just say that he’s being a crybaby, i don’t believe i have heard Coach Richt blame a missed call on the officials, that doesn’t mean that he has not felt that way, but he addresses it in other ways that doesn’t embarrass UGA..Just a matter of time for Kiffin

Logical Call

October 27th, 2009
10:08 am

The wording of the “review” should be changed. The wording should be more like… “The play should be overturned to the likeliest video evidence” instead of having to conclusively prove a call wrong to over turn it. The most blatant evidence I have seen of a play that was obviously wrong was the fumble by VT against GT about three or four years ago (It is on YouTube) where the VT player fumbled on the five into the endzone and GT landed on it. The call was touchdown VT and the replay official did not over turn the call because of the wording of the rule. Shoot I am a diehard DAWG fan and even I was stunned that play stood. But hey…I did get several good jabs at my GT friends over it. LOL

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
10:08 am

two points:

1) why is nobody smart enough to understand that the split screen replay that dan mullen watched “all night” on sportscenter WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE REPLAY OFFICIAL?! i will agree that the guy on the field maybe should have caught it, however, although even then it was close. doe was swinging his arm back and forth, so that made it more difficult. also, i wouldn’t exactly call what he did “high steppping”…this was not deion sanders, c’mon guys.

2) FL fans laugh at all this penalty conspiracy stuff. UF, ever since they became a dominant team in the 90s, as been the most penalized team in the SEC. in fact, they probably have led the league in 90% of the years since 1990, and if it wasn’t for the dopey mutts the last few years, UF would have probably led those years, too. don’t try to tell a team that suffered the swindle in the swamp vs. FSU that the refs cheat for them. it’s laughable.

Right BamaFan........

October 27th, 2009
10:09 am

WrongBama Fan is wrong. It was a live ball foul. All unsportman like penalteys are enforsed as a dead ball foul. So it would have be after we recovered the fumble. Alabama ball, backup 15, time expired, ,since we are on offense game over. You need to read the rules son.

Why do you think when players highstep into the endzone and get the penalty it is enforsed on the kick-off. Because it is dead ball. Congrats, you made Barhart look smart and that is hard to do.

panhandlebuzz

October 27th, 2009
10:09 am

Can you say full-time officials. There, sure, I knew you could. Since, referees are just as important to the college football landscape, as say, assistant coaches, lets pay them in the $100,000-$300,000 pay area, base upon experience. Also, there should be strict physical requirements too, some look like they haven’t missed too many meals since they graduated from college.

robodawg

October 27th, 2009
10:10 am

Cody’s helmet, by the rules, would’ve made no difference in the outcome of the game. But in Florida’s case, it was pretty obvious on the video that the ball was fumbled before crossing the goal line.

And I would like to see, just once, Florida or Bama flagged for flagrant showboating.

I don’t think it’s a real conspiracy or any fix, but I believe human subjectivity does come into play. Teams ranked No. 1 or 2, with a superstar behind center or with the likes of Saban stalking the sidelines, are going to catch some breaks from the officiating crews. Just like Michael Jordan or the Yankees’ pinstripes always did. Getting conferences out of officiating would remove the appearance of a conflict of interest, but I don’t think it would really improve the officiating.

Logical Call

October 27th, 2009
10:12 am

Larry

October 27th, 2009
10:14 am

Add the Auburn/LSU game and the mystery chop block call on Auburn on a running play on LSU’s three-yard-line. It negated an Auburn touchdown and brought LSU to life. Those refs’ stripes must have been purple and gold.

Vols_1

October 27th, 2009
10:17 am

The Tennessee complaint is that 10 penalties were called against the third least penalized team in the country (UT) compared to one against the home team. Anyone who watched the game knows that there should not have been that kind of disparity. Let’s see how the Dawg fans respond if Georgia plays a close game and gets the “SEC treatment” against Florida this weekend. Of course, Richt won’t say anything because he never does.

Lash La Rue

October 27th, 2009
10:21 am

Richt does say something, he just does it in the right way, Agree UGA will have a tough time in Jax with the strips.

Jon

October 27th, 2009
10:22 am

Watch. When fla plays FIU and is up 35-3, the sec will tell the refs to make a bad call against fla to say see it’s not always in their favor.

They will do the same thing when bama plays chattanooga.

My god, talk about a pathetic schedule. And these teams are 1 and 2. Look at this joke. Isn’t it funny they both have FIU.

Fla
Charleston S
Troy
FIU

Bama
FIU
North Texas
Chattanooga

Jake

October 27th, 2009
10:23 am

I feel any coach in the SEC should be able to express thier thoughts on calls after he reviews the film and get the facts. If one of their kids gets a bad call then the coach should be able to stand up for him and his team. I understand that the SEC officals reviews films themselves and grades themselves after each game. They do get most, not all, of their calls correctly.

dawgster

October 27th, 2009
10:24 am

To Vols_1, the dawg fans probably would be, at least i would be complaining outloud also, the point is that Coach Richt handles it with a lot of class and doesn’t publicly bash the officials…do i think he should at times, maybe, but thats not his personality…i truly believe Kiffin will land your team eventually on proabation, especially if he continues to stir the pot with some of his actions and quotes..just my opinion…

YoungDawg

October 27th, 2009
10:24 am

Tony,

You’re right! This should have been done long ago! But we should have a playoff long ago too so this might not ever happen either. In reality the officiating should be done nationally (by the NCAA or a independent referee association) for all the D1 sports.

senoiadawgs

October 27th, 2009
10:25 am

Yep the way CMR has been handling the officials has been real effective and produced results. What has or ranking been with penalties since UF 2007? Pretty much LAST. That is a real good way to handle the problem that 95% of UGA fans feel the officials have with our team. The sheer number of penalties called against UGA is what is embarrassing to the university.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
10:27 am

Ok Brad… me and you gotta talk! lol

1) I’m not a UGA conspiracy theorist. Never had said it until this posting by TB. I simply say there is too much going against everyone else and not enough of EXACTLY the same type calls that UF & Bama are getting away with. I also hold that celebration should NEVER be a penalty unless a player visibly and irrefutably mocks a member of the other team either on the field or sideline. What is going on at least warrants the conversation and the SEC should step in a correct this.

2) UF/MISS, yes UF was up 23-13 when the “fumble not a fumble” occurred but being blinded by your orange and blue you fail to realize that the TD sealed the game v/s Miss St gets the ball back, 1st and 10 on the 20 after the touchback, and the game is still 23-13 with a chance to get with in 3. Now, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to publicly post that MISS St would have scored the other 3 and tied or even won the game in that time remaining, but we did say… the refs made sure that wasn’t a chance.

UF/AR… Who cares what down it happened on? A free 15 just a couple plays (going off a 2 week old memory here, trust you’ll correct me if I’m wrong)after a ghostly pass interference call on Arky that didn’t happen and a missed OFFENSIVE pass int call that was conveniently “missed” when Cooper spun the DB around right in front of the ref on the go ahead drive. You had 30 yards and two free sets of downs on ghost calls, and a get out of jail free card on Cooper’s TD catch.

Don’t say they didn’t effect the game or the outcome, they most certainly did. If they hadn’t the crew wouldn’t have gotten the first suspension ever handed out by the SEC.

Again Brad… I’m not saying it’s a real conspiracy. I am saying if I were Slive or Redding and ran this company, I would run like a scalded dog from any appearance thereof and NOT defend these cooks day after day. The SEC is ABSOLUTELY 100% better when UGA, UT, LSU, BAMA, UF, Auburn, among others is strong. They would be out of their mind stupid to run us down so that 2 may succeed. UGA has consistently the most revenue of any program in the country and just signed the largest media deal ever, of course they want us good. Which is why they have got to take the steps to fix this.

Gen Neyland

October 27th, 2009
10:27 am

DP : To single out Kiffin on complaining of calls only puts him in a catagory with many other coaches and thousands of fans. Also, if you study his range of complaints over the season (and you should before locking in on one call to make an errant point), they don’t begin and end with the one FG block. I do believe the issue at hand is blown calls and non-calls and we’re all getting fed up to a degree…

At the UT-UGA game, me and 100,000 friends witnessed one UGA OL 10-15 yards downfield blocking, not running a route, blocking on a Georgia pass play in front of the Tennessee bench and the Field or Side judge, as Cox was behind the LOS looking downfield to pass. Kiffin and Assts were pointing the OL out to the ref and the ref ignored the bench and stayed focused elsewhere. The yellow flag was MIA on a call so obvious. The OLman was not announced eligible prior to the snap. Poor overall officiating is the root cause for coaches and when they’ve seen enough, they’ve seen enough. He11, we’re still hearing UGA’s fanbase complain over Green’s ‘celebration’ flag. Ain’t that right, Mr College Football..? A call The Dooley thinks is necessary but is so dam hard to determine what constitutes a celebration, 85 guys dancing in the endzone notwithstanding…So in essence, I guess you’re happy with the play of the Zebra this year..?

Hey, RightBamaFan...

October 27th, 2009
10:28 am

…how many times do I have to apologize? I already acknowledged that I did not know that ALL unsportsmanlike penalties were DEAD BALL fouls and apologized to Hal & Nodoginthefight. But, thanks again for clarifying the rule (along with Hal, Nodoginthefight, and Football Official).

But, who is “Barhart”, and IF he had explained the rule initially in his feeble attempt to sniff up to Redding I would not have made a fool of myself!

GMan

October 27th, 2009
10:29 am

I think the government should take control of the officiating and regulate it. C’mon Tony, the bottom line is that fans and reporters (you included) will continue to scrutinize anything and everything. You should never let the game get to a point where a player, coach, or referee decides the outcome of a game on one play.

Joe

October 27th, 2009
10:29 am

mightykc
it isn’t about who is most least penalized. it is the shady calls when video evidence overwhelmingly says the opposite.

even the announcers in the games said the calls were bs.

Anonymous

October 27th, 2009
10:30 am

Ooo-wee!
You ladies want some fruit & cheese with your whine? ! ! !

Willie

October 27th, 2009
10:32 am

We would not have this discussion if the winner is decided on the field of play and not in the book of idiotic rules. For instance, the excessive celebration rule! I am awed that there are people like Vince Dooley who want golf etiquett in college football.

Vince Dooley and anyone else who wants this rule do not want football. They want flagball! I have no respect for Dooley anymore. He should retire or die, which ever he can get done first. That sounds harsh but it is the way I feel about anyone trying to make football more like soccer or golf.

I have seen bad calls all my life and the call determined the outcome of the game. I do not go to games or watch games on tv to see the referees.

The referees are getting as bad as football analyst on ESPN. They think it is about them and what they seem to know and not about football.

Impartial

October 27th, 2009
10:32 am

It’s always been obvious that Mr. College Football should really be called Mr. SEC, but now it’s also becoming obvious that Mr. SEC is nothing more than a shill for the league office.

GT79

October 27th, 2009
10:33 am

“JP owns DJ” has a man crush on “Nachos”.

Willie

October 27th, 2009
10:35 am

I am not going to watch UGA anymore this year or as long as WM is the DC. I guess I will be a tech fan or ga southern fan. Did you all hear about Valdosta State getting creamed by an Alabama team?

GatorKim

October 27th, 2009
10:35 am

“When is someone gonna call an excessive celebration penalty on TEBOW? Oh, wait. I think we know why that’s never happened.” I guess you didn’t watch our latest NCG in January??

“Even the Gators get bad calls against them. Case in point, in the LSU game, I was furious that on LSU’s only scoring drive, we were called for a late hit on a 3rd down play where the refs claim that Joe Haden hit Charles Scott out of bounds. They showed replays and, of course, it was a bogus call, but 15 yards and an automatic first down later, it was a moot point. The Gator D responded by stuffing LSU on the goal line and forcing them to kick a field goal… that’s how you’re supposed to deal with bad calls.” WORD. STFU.

I am ROFL. Did an Auburn fan REALLY call GATORS losers??? “Hey GATORS: Did you bunch of losers…” – um, what’s your record this year (or the past 5)? chumps

Refs won’t have anything to do with this game. We won by, what, THIRTY-NINE points last year???? I don’t think we’ll do that again this year, but I’m not planning on sweating on Saturday, in Jax. CHUMPS

J Dub

October 27th, 2009
10:37 am

Tony – Your constituents seem to be calling for an explanation for Tebow’s ability to avoid excessive celebrations and you have not broached the subject once. The sticking point I heard when AJ Green got flagged was that the rule stated that you could not raise your hands to the crowd. Same for Charles Scott’s makeup call. What does Tebow do every time he gets a first down? Raise his hands to the crowd and showboat. It’s painfully obvious that the rules don’t apply to everyone. That is all the people really want here. If you are going to make a call, then make it for everyone. If a few people are late for work and you punish all but one, what are the employees to think of the relationship with that employee? If your kids sneak out of the house and you punish all but one, are you not showing favoritism? I am not here to crow on behalf of Georgia. I would just like a black and white explanation as to why what Tebow does when he gyrates and loses his mind is any different than what the rest of the country is doind. Why when he does it, do the announcers say, “Man, look at that emotion! He is a natural leader! That is what you want in a quaterback, and a human being.” On the flip, when someone else does it and gets flagged for it, “That is just a bonehead play there. No sense of team. That is no more than a look at me player taking the attention away from the team. There is no place for that in college football.” I think we deserve an explanation at this point. Oh, and don’t think the whole country isn’t going to be watching Pouncey the first time they get into shotgun and he does that ludicrous head twitch before he snaps the ball. Conspiracy or no conspiracy, I think we can all agree that Florida is getting the benefit of the doubt more than others. You know the old saying, “The rich get richer.”

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
10:38 am

“mightykc
it isn’t about who is most least penalized. it is the shady calls when video evidence overwhelmingly says the opposite.”

the FL/arky call was not reviewable…human error, admitted by the ref.
the FL/MSU call was called BS by the announcers BECAUSE THEY HAD ACCESS TO A BETTER VIEW OF THE CALL!!!

why are people so dense? the ref in the booth did NOT have evidence to overturn it!!!

bad calls happen in every game. those whining about conspiracy theories are just whining. i never complained about the swindle in the swamp (which basically was the catalyst for replay)…FL should have overcome the bad calls by the ref. don’t let the refs decide it for you. arky missed a FG and couldn’t stop UF, and UF made their FG. UT’s coach is a retard and let 40 seconds go off the clock…and, he let a kicker that was 0-2 kick a 40+ yd FG, which was blocked. THOSE are the reasons those teams lost.

in UGA/LSU, UGA let the little guy have a huge return and then couldn’t tackle charles scott. people have always been blaming the refs, it’s human nature for losers.

Football Official

October 27th, 2009
10:38 am

Dead ball, unnecessary whining, on most parties involved. 15 yard penalty, repeat 1st down.

Willie

October 27th, 2009
10:41 am

J Dub

October 27th, 2009
10:37 am
I salute you and agree with your point.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
10:41 am

NCAA penalties per game rankings: UT #7; UF #35; UA #44; UGA #117; MISSst #59. Out of 120 teams, if there is a conspiracy, why is UF and UA not ranked higher? C’mon folks, stop the crying.

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
10:41 am

Even the Gators get bad calls against them. Case in point, in the LSU game, I was furious that on LSU’s only scoring drive, we were called for a late hit on a 3rd down play where the refs claim that Joe Haden hit Charles Scott out of bounds. They showed replays and, of course, it was a bogus call, but 15 yards and an automatic first down later, it was a moot point. The Gator D responded by stuffing LSU on the goal line and forcing them to kick a field goal… that’s how you’re supposed to deal with bad calls.”

uh, as a Gator fan, this was a good call…the call wasn’t on haden, as the announcers i believe originally said…i believe it was on spikes, and happened after the play, when he blew someone up out of bounds from behind.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
10:42 am

Oh yeah, Arkansas is #117.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
10:43 am

Sorry, Arkansas is #107!

Willie

October 27th, 2009
10:43 am

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
10:38 am

So an underdog should not beat the top rated team? If you get a bad call and momentum changes I am sure the highest rated team will have the advantage. That is exactly what the referees think I am sure.

Otto

October 27th, 2009
10:43 am

Jake, I agree the coaches should be able to walk into a press conf. with film, show it in slow motion and stand up for their kids.

Auburn has had obvious blown calls go against them. 3 of their first 5 penalties were very questionable reviewing the DVR. The one that stands out the most was the false start where the tackle moved after contact causing another player to move on the DL. Against UK the refs missed a blatant block in the back on UK’s last big run.

It is not just UGA and it does not always change the game. However, CFB is big business and the refs should be just as professional as the coaching staffs. Yes errors will happen but blowing obvious calls should not be tolerated. I would like to see the NCAA step up and hire officials taking it out of the conferences hands. It takes a long time for change to happen just look at the suspended refs but if Tony and other members of the press point it out and coaches take the fines to point it out like SOS used to at UF maybe something can happen.

Keep it Real!

October 27th, 2009
10:44 am

The fix is in, The SEC with it’s big money T.V. contract needs to have an SEC team in the BCS championship game! SEC refs have been making calls for the hometeams for 50 years this is the south and cheating is o.k. in the blble belt!

UGA fans please be shut your pie holes, UGA has a weak team this year! Plus the coaching lacks structure and fundamentals.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
10:46 am

Keep it Real! Yes, it’s all a conspiracy and the government is running it. Puleeease!

Willie

October 27th, 2009
10:47 am

Nothing is going to change. Too much money! We have to stop going to games and watching it on tv. Stop talking about it and avoid advertisers who display their services or goods during the game.

I AM READY TO DO IT ARE YOU?

calvin

October 27th, 2009
10:47 am

Why should ‘excessive celebration’ penalties be
15 yarders? Celebration is as bad as pass interference?
The people who make stupid rules with excessive penalties
are very much to blame in some of these controversial calls?

dawgster

October 27th, 2009
10:48 am

I think all teams have some legit complaints about the officials, its just some coaches hve a little class and don’t whine about it publicly…just a matter of time for Kiffin and Co….

Anonymous

October 27th, 2009
10:50 am

Yo Willie,

“If you get a bad call and MOMENTUM CHANGES . . .”

Wow!
Could you be any more subjective?

Keep it Real!

October 27th, 2009
10:51 am

I do not want to see a comment from any of you losers talking about a referee’s bad call will not make an impact on the game!

Why is any team ranked right now? I have not seen an impressive team yet but I do hear excuses why Florida,Texas and Alabama did not play well.

When Bama lost to Utah last year, well they where not ready to play. I thought a SEC team could walk in the field and beat any team. Since they lost I guess not!

This game is too fast for some of the old out shape referee’s, get some young blood on the field so they can be in position to make the correct calls!

gt

October 27th, 2009
10:52 am

Against VAndy, our fresman wideout caught a pass, and then spun the ball. Penalty. Shortly after, the Vandy lineman sacked Cox, pulled Cox’s towel off him and threw it in the air. No penalty. Why?

After UF intercepted Ms St and scored that questionable TD, a few Gators gathered and had a little dance action. No penalty . Why?

The disparity is just too great, whether on purpose or not.The zebras handed the ark-uf game to the Gators.With very debatable calls. Yes some were judgement. Judgement IS important, or we would have blind people out there calling the games- literally.

Gator fans, and others- I have no problem with you guys- not caling you out- just pointing out the refs are awful. Remember this- a wise person -Bill Russell by name- once said in a speech-”What happens to me will eventually happen to you if not corrected”.

Sanford Drive

October 27th, 2009
10:52 am

The fact that Rogers Redding didn’t see a problem with the call on Saturday says it all. What a goob.

mtraininjax

October 27th, 2009
10:52 am

Do as the NFL does and just have them all in a union. It would be good to see independent refs from different cities or regions call games. Having ACC refs follow ACC teams to SEC schools makes no sense, case in point the GT/Vandy game. Why not use the same refs that plan to call the Jaguar/Titan game, or use a group of officials who are based out of Nashville? Tech does not need ACC officials to win or lose, and refs for a conference is a racket anyway.

Make their calls stand on their own and independent of a conference. Great idea Tony!

Unbiased fan

October 27th, 2009
10:53 am

Ghost of Bobby (GT) Gaston, instead of wasting time with inane comments, how about spending 30 seconds to google Mr. Redding’s prior officiating credentials. Do you really think the most prominent college football conference in America would just randomly hire someone? Genius!! And keep dreaming about the ACC being on top…

G8R GRAD

October 27th, 2009
10:53 am

“I’m not going to spend any time writing about how silly that is, but we’re probably reaching the stage where it’s time to take that idea off the table.”

Thank you, Tony.

gt

October 27th, 2009
10:54 am

Is it nice to know that freedom of speech when telling the truth is awful to the point of suspensiion? Our forefathers fought for this? I do not like Kiffin. But to reprimand him oin this is denyiing freedom of speech.Period.

help, I live in Ga

October 27th, 2009
10:54 am

So the official in the Alabama game didn’t bother throwing the flag because he assumed Bama would recover? Crap. What if a Tn player is running to recover the ball and score a touchdown and Cody throws his helmet at the guy. Still no penalty? The ball was live and behind the line of scrimmage, the official didn’t throw the flag because he didn’t want to. plain and simple. the infraction took place while it was still Tn ball.

4th Place Dawg

October 27th, 2009
10:55 am

Joe Cox can’t move the ball against the Gator D. Gator D – 7 Games = 4 Touchdowns Allowed. Georgia D – 1 Game = 4 Touchdowns Allowed.

Melissa Fincher

October 27th, 2009
10:57 am

I don’t think its silly that many of us believe that the top ranked teams in a conference get better calls. Everyone knows that college football is big business, and the idea that conferences wouldn’t want to preserve a possible 1-2 match up in their conference champ game is preposterous! Think of the media spotlight on the SEC, think of the attn, think of the MONEY!!! Let’s face it, media and money drive this game. I do agree with you however, that It’s time for the conferences to stay out of the ref business and leave it up to a national assignment. It’s just too likely to have a conflict of interest in the way it is set up now. Oh, and bully for the coaches for standing up for what they think is an injustice. Viva Kiffin!

Keep it Real!

October 27th, 2009
10:59 am

@Gman you better get with the program! Do not think the fix is not in, Arkansas should have beaten Florida but 2 late blowned calls change the momentum of the game!

I happen to like Florida because of Tebow but they need to win on their own merit not with the officials help!

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:00 am

gt – do you have freedom to tell your employer off? C’mon, that is taking the constitution way beyond what it was intended. Besides, I didn’t know I was in the company of people capable of speaking to the dead.

gt

October 27th, 2009
11:02 am

One more comment . When the UF player did he dance early, why was that not a celebration penalty? In 07 whe Mo Mass caught that long TD against the Gators, he stuck the ball out in front of him and, yes, got a celebration penalty.

On and on and on.National tv has shown the SEC officials for what they are -inept and / of biased.

gt

October 27th, 2009
11:04 am

Gman,

I guess I did overstate this a little. BUT, The SEC does not hire or pay the coaches.

StuDawg

October 27th, 2009
11:07 am

In the case of the bama-ut blocked kick, since the ball didnt get past the scrimmage line, it is still a live ball, right?? Therefore the play is still going on and it is unsportsmanlike and 15 yds. and a rekick, right?

Brew

October 27th, 2009
11:09 am

Yes, help I live in Ga, you make the point that has been ignored here. The ball was live when Cody threw his helmet off. On this there can be no dispute whatsoever. If a UT player was savvy enough to cover the ball, the foul would be enforced.
Now, that said, the officials should have thrown the flag to, at a minimum, explain why it’s OK to take your helmet off on the field during a live play. 90,00+ saw it live as well as millions on TV, so we’re all expecting an explanation of why it’s not a foul. If it doesn’t matter because UA recovered, then say so, so that’s there’s no need for conspiracy theories. Not everyone, coaches included, know the rule.

Todd

October 27th, 2009
11:09 am

Tony, take your “tool box” home with you on this article.

BOTTOM LINE, FLAT OUT COST GA AND ARKY VICTORIES, FLAT OUT.

KNOW ONE SHOULD SPREAD ANY BS ABOUT THE CALLS IN THOSE GAMES. GO BACK AND WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE.

LIKE DAN MULLEN SAID, THEY SHOULD PAY WHEN THEY BLOW IT AS BAD AS THEY DID.

SHOULD BE A 6-1 FL VS 5-2 GA., EVERYBODY WHO’S HONEST KNOWS IT.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:09 am

Keep it Real! Yeah, two blown calls would have TOTALLY changed the game’s momentum. I’m not sure what blown calls were missed from your perspective, but there were probably as many missed for UF’s fans also. Bottom line…there is no conspiracy! To even think that is absurd. Never put yourself in a situation where refs, players, or coaches decide the game on one play. The Gators defense was totally controlling the game. I was there.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
11:10 am

Gman, the SEC doesn’t employ the coaches… by matriculation you may say they funnel money back towards the schools but w/o those schools the SEC has squat! You have coaches, asst coaches on down the line whose butts are on the line each week and when things are bad I actually appreciate a coach who’ll stand up for his team. Having said that, he was wrong, the penalty (based on prior calls in games) should have been called, but it would not have given UT another chance. But I do appreciate him speaking up for his team, wish my coach (UGA) would do the same sometimes, grow some balls.

Often times we don’t appreciate passion in the moment, remember the “I’m a man” from Gundy? We all wrote that he was a rathing lunatic, especially the media. Then this year, when UGA goes west I read and hear for a week what a great speech that was and how it bought him credibility. People are fickle, all people including media and fans. UGA people calling for Mark Richt’s job??? Stupid people everywhere.

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
11:12 am

I admit my ignorance that unsportsmanlike conduct is always dead ball foul. However, I continue to maintain that even if it could be a “live ball foul,” the ball was no longer live when BAMA covered it in the TN game. The game was over, and any infraction that lies against Cody must be enforced later (not possible – game over) or handled by the SEC outside of the playing field.

Neither Alabama nor Tennessee players seemed particularly interested in covering the ball as it spun on the turf to the left of the kicker. That gave me much cause for concern….and should give Tennessee fans and coaches the same cause. The ball could have been advanced by TN but was not.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:14 am

Todd – a 5-2 GA?! What? Yep that is what is happening…UGAs only problem is the refs. Fix that and you are undefeated and playing for the National Championship. Instead the SEC would rather have UF and AL play in those games. Face it, UGA lost those games by other things than the guys wearing stripes. Sometimes the fouls go against your team, sometimes for your team. It’s all in what you want to see. I think it’s fine and better than it was when replay wasn’t a part of the game.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
11:16 am

Gman Todd is right. We’re 4-3 now and only one game was lost to a bad call by a ref… that would make us 5-2. Easy math…

Willie

October 27th, 2009
11:17 am

We have seen coaches get fired and have a winning season suchas happened in Auburn. Is there a former college football player here that will tell me that receiving a bad call does nothing to his or the team’s quality of play the next few downs. I guess Dooley, Redding, and Slive knows best. I mean look at their salaries. You know those with high salaries are always correct and do the right thing.

Willie

October 27th, 2009
11:18 am

Got to go make a tee time for Saturday because there is nothing else I want to do.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:19 am

Hal – you are correct. The SEC doesn’t employ them. There are just bylaws and contracts that they must abide by. I think its best to keep it within the family and not put it on public display. As an SEC fan, I don’t think it bodes well that we are getting all the attention right now for bad officiating and people within this league actually believe it is why we have two teams at the top. Speaking out isn’t always a good thing and in my opinion it’s not. Lets see, the three coaches that have spoken out are 1-4, 1-3, 1-3 in SEC play. It’s not the refs and it’s not the SEC as a conference that is the problem with these teams.

Gen Neyland

October 27th, 2009
11:21 am

I tend to agree with GMan’s assessment that there is no conspiracy. Just poor officiating. Noone can convince me though that the Zebra’s as a collective unit watch each other’s backs…All we ask is that when they huddle they really try and get it right. And when they miss the obvious, own up to their mistakes. Remember, to err is human but to cover up is for airline pilots…

Otto

October 27th, 2009
11:21 am

Just read over on ESPN Slive’s hit list in the SEC blog and he does have some point. CFB is big money, the refs have been bad for a long time, and with the big money pressure is on from all angles to make the correct call. Old, slow officials will not get the job done at this level. The SEC is getting millions from TV contracts, it is time to spend some money training and hiring new refs. The SEC has to be as credible as possible to stay in the BCS title game. UF most likely still beats MSU and Bama beats UT but don’t give a Utah Congressman any more of a leg to stand on and beside bad calls with millions on the line is just absurd when a little money out of the pie could prevent much of the bad press.

Keep it Real!

October 27th, 2009
11:21 am

@G-man what you cannot see when you at the game is holding on every pass play by a Florida cornerback, their were several T.V. replays showing Florida CB’s holding onto an Arkansas player’s jersey several yards down the field.

Now on the pass interference play a minor bump plus the Arkansas player turned around! 2-15 yard penalties made it easy for Florida to score.

Look Vol fans, Kippin should not complain he had 45 seconds left on the clock and did try to move the ball downfield. When in college do you leave your kicker with a 40 yard plus field goal.

Monte Kippin should be the head coach not his weak son!

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:22 am

Hal and Todd – how did your team get to where ONE bad call by a ref in a game decided the outcome for your team? Isn’t that the problem? Denial is difficult to overcome.

G8R GRAD

October 27th, 2009
11:23 am

Todd & Hal:

You didn’t tackle the run back.
THAT’S why you’re 4-3!

69Dawg

October 27th, 2009
11:23 am

Just because we are paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get us.

ReptilesRule

October 27th, 2009
11:24 am

Losers will always need something to bitch about. It is so much easier to blame the refs than to look at your own teams lack of execution and doing something about it. Winners look for improvement, losers look for excuses…

Brew

October 27th, 2009
11:25 am

You’re right bamafan. UT should have picked up the ball and advanced it…like they tried to on the previous block. They just lost sight of the ball, and unfortunately for them, didn’t have an official there to point out the ball to them like the one that was so helpful in doing that for Bama.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:25 am

TN fans – why didn’t any of your players pick up the ball after the blocked kick and run it for a TD? It layed there for about 6 seconds with the camera and everyone else in the nation wondering why someone hasn’t fell on it or picked it up.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:26 am

Stu,

Unsportsmanlike Conduct/Excessive Celebration is a deadball penalty enforced after the result of the play. That’s why the penalty (e.g. showboating in the endzone after a touchdown) is enforced on the kick. It’s not enforced by replaying the down. So, it would have been Bama’s ball around the 12-yard line. Since the clock at run out, the game was over.

Anyway, per the rule (which someone posted yesterday), once the ball stopped moving, the play was dead whether it crossed the line of scrimmage or not.

Although no one wants to hear this: The refs got this one right.

If it was a conspiracy to help Bama, why did the refs wait 60 minutes to cheat?

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
11:26 am

arky OL was holding on mallets 75 yd TD throw….wah wah wah wah wah!

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
11:28 am

Got 12 in your mouth…. how many penalties did Bama have in the UT game?

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:29 am

Bamafan,

Julio and Rolando immediately went for the ball. And Nico was looking for the ball in the backfield.

By rule (which the players may not have known), the play was dead when the ball stopped moving whether it crossed the line of scrimmage or not.

DP

October 27th, 2009
11:30 am

Gen Neyland, Kiffin is not in a group with other SEC coaches who have complained about officiating mistakes this year. Petrino and Mullen cited mistakes on specific plays and they were right. Kiffin cited one specific play he thought was a mistake but it turns out he doesn’t understand the rule, that unsportsmanlike conduct is always enforced as a dead ball foul after the play so there would have been no 2nd try at the field goal.

But where Kiffin really stood out is that he challenged the integrity of the league with 2 comments, one about not running more plays because he was afraid of a “mystery flag” (he had different reasoning on Saturday, it took him some time to come up with that one) and a comment about Alabama and Florida continuing on, which played to the conspiracy theory crowd who thinks the SEC has instructed officials to favor them. I’ve been watching SEC football for a long time and don’t remember a coach ever challenging the integrity of the officials and the league before.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:31 am

Gen Neyland: I think you said it best.
The official in the booth probably needs to be the best official in the stadium. Unfortunately even that won’t correct the bad ‘dead ball’ fouls that are called. Again, it happens because they are human. The speed of the game makes it difficult to see everything. They know how passionate fans are.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:31 am

Cracker,

Bama had one penalty. UT had 8. UT’s penalties included several false starts/illegal motions by the offensive line, delay of game by Crompton, and blocking below the waste on a kickoff. These are not subjective calls. They are cut and dry.

Next question.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:33 am

If the refs are cheating for Bama, why didn’t they give us the ball back after Ingram’s fumble?

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:33 am

waist not waste. lol

Gator Growl

October 27th, 2009
11:33 am

For you UGA and Arky fans STILL crying out there, heres a thought…. Maybe you lost the game because you didn’t play well enough to win! Maybe you (UGA) should have held the LSU offense in that last couple of minutes. Maybe you (ARK) should have made that critical field goal. I noticed Arkansas came out and really laid an egg the next game out against Mississippi. They were probably still consumed about “getting robbed” instead of being consumed about getting better.

help, I live in Ga

October 27th, 2009
11:34 am

Got 12: still doesn’t explain why he didn’t throw the flag. The ball was moving then. It wouldn’t have been enforced, but it shows the officials reluctance to penalize Bama.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:35 am

DP: Good post and points.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:35 am

I’ve been posting on the blog for a couple of years and have never read this much whining…ever. Does the AJC keep statistics? This has to be some kinda record.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:39 am

help,

So they through the flag, and it’s Bama’s ball at the 12 with no time on the clock? They didn’t through the flag because the game was over.

Please cite examples of Bama penalties that were not called during the UT game.

I’m not trying to play the blame game but there were two obvious examples (PI in the endzone and blatant holding on a Crompton rollout) of missed called against UT.

goober

October 27th, 2009
11:39 am

How many ads does the AJC sell from these blogs? Obviously it’s the most popular item here, but does it make any money for the AJC? How does it help pay TB’s salary?

PMC

October 27th, 2009
11:40 am

I tend to believe the perception is the better teams get the calls because the challengers have more need for those calls to fall thier way. It doesn’t always even out but bad even incredibly lousy calls are a part of the game… aparently even in the video age.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
11:42 am

I’m heading to lunch. Quibble amongst yourselves until my return.

Obama for Heisman

October 27th, 2009
11:42 am

Unfortunately for MS State, being an idiot is not against the rules. Doe should have tucked the ball and ran to the back of the endzone but he didn’t. The call by the official was correct. Blame it on bad camera angles but not one that was presented during the replay gave a clear picture of where the ball was. If you watch the NFL, the officials always give the players the benefit of the doubt whether it be in-bounds calls, touchdown calls, catches, or whatever. Unfortunately for college football, we don’t have all the cameras on the field like they do. You can’t balme the official for this one…

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:47 am

If we are talking about penalties and the rules, where is the one about bringing noise makers into the stadium? I guess MSU is exempt.

Lord of The Lizards

October 27th, 2009
11:48 am

DP, you make a couple of great points regarding Kiffins statements. This, of course, is the same idiot who didn’t know his recruiting rules and accused Meyer of cheating, this is the same idiot who flaunted secondary violations and made light of them as part of his “strategy” to get recruits and “put Tenn back on the map”. And now he basically is accusing the league of taking care of Bama and Florida. And his littlle insuation that the refs would find an excuse to throw a flag and affect the outcome was rememinicent of some of the Pahokee statements he made about the school somehow screwing up the fax paperwork for Nukeese Richardson. I think when Mike Slive revisits these most recent comments that he may well go ahead and take further action.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
11:48 am

That’s probably why MSU lost the game, the refs were punishing the stadium for bringing cowbells in…jk!

Hal

October 27th, 2009
11:48 am

Willie, yes, I played at UGA when Mark got there. I was on the practice squad so no, I’m not David Greene but yes a really bad penalty or call period can kill momentum of a drive or for a defense. True a team has to be able to get over it as the gators did at the goal line against LSU but you can’t really blame them if they don’t.

GMan, G8rGrad, your colors show in your post as I’m sure mine do. But I hope you at least played peewee ball so you’ll understand this statement. On the previous kicks, LSU had gotten the ball at the goal line and averaged the 27 yd line. Lets say they had even gotten the 44 yds they did on the return as it were….. the strategies are now different for both teams.

When they got the ball on our 42 yd line they were only 8 yds from FG position. Yes a TD was scored and won the game (and damn right, he should have been tackled) but had they been 40+ yds away from FG range to begin the drive they would have had to throw the ball which they hadn’t done well all day consistently. The D could have pinned their ears back and gotten 3 sacks again and game over. Guys even if we had tackled Scott at the line (which, we had the chance) they still had the FG iced. I know I know,, BAMA blocked one Saturday and so did we 2 weeks before.

Bottom line is, they should have never been in that position. Tebow should never be flagged for the gator chomp, Cody was fine, Mo Mass 2 years ago was fine for chompin back at the gator fans…. this isn’t golf guys. ANd my own beloved coach Dooley needs to realize that.

Joe

October 27th, 2009
11:49 am

mightykc
huh? i showed you a YOUTUBE VIDEO OF THE GAME AS IT HAPPENED. You think the announcers have videos that the booth doesn’t you idiot.

As for the ark game i never said it was reviewable. i said it was another pathetic bs call that went for UF so they could retain their undefeated season. and there were two 2 atrocious calls in that game. dumbazz

Joe

October 27th, 2009
11:53 am

so many of you idiots don’t get it. it’s not about who is most or least penalized. it’s calls that when the game is close gives a team points or takes them away or gives a team the ball. one bs call can and HAS had a big effect on two fla games. there is no doubt in my mind uf loses to ark with the two calls in that game. the miss st game call preserved the game for fla. when that call was made, it guaranteed no chance for miss st to come back. it’s bad enough the pathetic schedule both bama and fla play. nice 1/4 of your schedule is full of fiu charls s troy and n texas. what a joke. neither team deserves to be where they are.

Joe

October 27th, 2009
11:55 am

yeah the officials only have one camera to work with. are you people this demented? they have the same cameras you see on tv you dopes.

TS

October 27th, 2009
12:01 pm

Joe- you are so right. FLA and Bama should redact their #1 and #2 ranking and drop to #33 and #37 where they belong, respectively. They OBVIOUSLY don’t deserve to be where they are and it is all the officials fault. I think GA Tech should be #1 and UGA should be #3.

another dawg in ptc

October 27th, 2009
12:01 pm

Gentlemen,Gentlemen, Gentlemen,
If everyone would just step back and take a deep breath, and stop looking thru red and black glasses,or orange glasses or maroon glasses, you would realize that the SEC has a big problem.

A bad call is a bad call, and bad officiating is bad officiating regardless of the situation. When you have the same officials making bad calls over and over and head of the officials doing a political spin over and over, you have a problem.

It starts at the top. The head of the officials needs to educate the officials better on the rules, teach them how to use fair and just judgement, and make the TOTALLY ACCOUNTABLE for every call. Then they have to hand out tough and just punishment for bad calls. If this is too difficult for a conference that signed a hundred billion dollar contract for sports and entertainment, then they deserve the product they put out every Saturday.

That being said, UGA is an average team this year and has to fight and scratch (and block fgs)to win. We need the breaks to go our way, and the officiating to be at least be 50-50. However, the passion of the Dawg fans is not and never will be average.

Bill Will

October 27th, 2009
12:07 pm

These people should all be fired. The officials at the Mississippi State/Florida game should have been fired along with the replay official.

ROGERS REDDING Head of SEC OFFICIALS happens to be a GA TECH graduate

BOBBY GASTON Prior Head of SEC OFFICIALS happened to be a GA TECH graduate.

MARC CURLES SEC OFFICIAL is a GA TECH graduate

PENN WAGES just an OFFICIAL UGA hater and cheat.

AL FORD cheat

DAN DEMBINSKI-Mississippi St-Florida game official.

gator gator

October 27th, 2009
12:11 pm

Hal,

If you are that knowledgeable regarding rules and actually played at UGA then why don’t you become an official. Maybe you can teach the SEC FB officials something!!!

Bud

October 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

All this rhetoric still does’nt change the fact that these bad call have a huge impact on the out come of the game, rankings, bowl invitations, recruiting etc.,etc.. These calls should be challenged on the spot and overturned if neccessary.

2N4YEARS

October 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

Tony, let me get this right: In one breath you say how ’silly’ it is that the refs would call a game to line two teams (FLA & ALA) in the SEC Championship game, and in the next breath you say we should have a national ref base to eliminate this?? So one must ask the question; if it’s so ’silly’, then why did you right this column?

Joe

October 27th, 2009
12:19 pm

ts you are playing on borrowed time like iowa. even with the refs you will still lose eventually. your offense is a joke. we can still beat you think week even if the refs do help you. but all eyes will be on them and one more bs blown screw up and all he11 will break loose.

Mean Dean

October 27th, 2009
12:22 pm

Yes–It’s a vast right-wing/left-wing/SEC/CBS/ESPN/AJC conspiracy! It was Meyer on the grassy knoll with Saban in the book depository and Slive in the motorcade! All the SEC officials should be fired! And all the SEC employees should be fired! And all the SEC coaches and AD’s should be fired! And all of them should be replaced with the retards on this blog! Power to the people! The revolution cannot be stopped! Che lives on!

GMan

October 27th, 2009
12:24 pm

Hal – yes, I played. Does it matter? Nope. I get to discuss the games the same way as the guy paying $150 a ticket sitting next to me in the stands and on this blog. I don’t really disagree with anything on your last post. I agree that the unsportsmanlike penalties in the SEC are off the charts when comparing to the other conferences. I think it was the wrong call – my opinion. Even so, I think you can’t get to a point where the game is decided by one factor (call, play, etc.). A sign of a mature team is to refocus and play the entire 60 minutes.

Burdell

October 27th, 2009
12:25 pm

Goober–

There is physical chemistry, organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, analytical chemistry and biochemistry just to name a few…

GO JACKETS!!!

AlwaysAVol

October 27th, 2009
12:31 pm

Maybe they should do a little spiel on officiating like they do on safety before you fly on a plane and then 10 minutes before kickoff, pick an equal number of lucky fans to be officals from the visiting and the home team. They couldn’t do much worse. And by the way, just to deflect any accusations of whining, congratulations to Alabama for one of the more classic UT-Bama games ever. Thriller to the end, that’s what college football is all about…

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
12:32 pm

Hey Mean Dean – you forgot about Dick Cheney sitting in a bunker trying to figure out a way to shoot down an airliner!!

bamafan

October 27th, 2009
12:33 pm

Always a Vol – my sentiments exactly. The best games and the best series in the SEC is Bama-Tennessee!

Gen Neyland

October 27th, 2009
12:33 pm

Kiffin has rattled the SEC hierachy to the point that Slive and Redding can’t hold their mint juleps without spilling a few drops. CLK, like him or not (which doesn’t matter to me) isn’t afraid to speak his point of view. Reminds me of FDR’s address after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. FDR stated basically, ‘We’re gonna kick some arse.’ Big talk for a guy that just lost a bunch of boats, huh..? We had a few setbacks as a nation, but prevailed quite nicely, IMO. I’m thinking CLK will too. Now, it’s time to put aside these things that can’t be altered and look to frying some Gamechickens…

Again, Congrats to the Red Elephants…

Da truth

October 27th, 2009
12:35 pm

Hey Conspiracy theorists…didn’t Bama get 10 penalties called on them against SC ???

Willie

October 27th, 2009
12:38 pm

Hal; Bud; another dawg in ptc :

I thank you for your comments.

hammerhead

October 27th, 2009
12:45 pm

Florida will be penalized early in the game this weekend, but will get the benefit of all of the late calls. The number of penalties and yardage between FL and GA will be comparable, but the critical calls (late and impossible to overcome) will go in favor of the Gators. To dismiss the notion that Florida and Alabama are being protected is naive. They’re No. 1 and No. 2 in the country. If one of them loses, the conference stands to lose millions in potential BCS revenue. Too much money at stake to allow a close game to go against either team.

RetilesRule

October 27th, 2009
12:51 pm

According to the Knoxville newspaper, even Asst Coach Orgeron has now opened his big trap and made statements about the refs giving favorable calls to the better teams in the league (I think the use of the term “better teams” is revealing in itelf). This coaching staff has clearly crossed the line and by a wide margin. Last week, Mike Slive rightfully suspended the officiating crew that called the Ga/LSU and Ark/Fla game for the sake of the integrity of the league. This week, I am calling on Slive to do the same with Kiffin and Orgeron for exactly the same purpose!

Joe

October 27th, 2009
12:52 pm

hammer exactly. and when you get a bs call when it’s 3rd and 8 and it’s all of a sudden 3rd and 18, it’s a lot different than one on first down. that’s one of the other things i have noticed. fla rarely gets penalized on 3rd down.

AltamahaDawg

October 27th, 2009
12:54 pm

One thing I cannot understand is: Replay is only as good as the camera angle and the off. crew is using whatever network pictures are available to them. Why on earth would it not be MANDATORY for the network covering the game to have a camera dead on the goal line? Is there a camera angle that is more critical than that? There is going to be a goal line issue in every single game.

Zippy

October 27th, 2009
12:55 pm

Most of these comments appear to be non-resopnsive to the question. Can’t a fellow have an opinion without beibng labeled a “whiner?”

Lord of The Lizards

October 27th, 2009
12:58 pm

All I have to say is that anyone who would even begin to make a comparison of a statement made by one Lane Kiffin to one made by a one Franklin D Roosevelt is a bigger idiot than even I can comprehend.

blazer

October 27th, 2009
12:59 pm

Enter your comments here
JCDORE- YOU ARE CORRECT-SHOWS THE BIAS THAT EXIST-YOU ARE RIGHT-
VANDY IS TREATED AS ONLY VANDY-KINDA LIKE TCU COULD GO 12-0 AND

STILL WOULD NOT GET ANY RESPECT. WHY CAN’T COACHES BITCH ABOUT THE OFFICALS-
WHAT HAPPEN TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH? GEEZ? IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE CALLNOW
DOES IT?

Rogers Redding

October 27th, 2009
1:00 pm

Stop picking on me guys. I can’t help it. I have a degree from Georgia Tech. I’m doing the best I can.

Lane Kiffin

October 27th, 2009
1:04 pm

Stop picking on me guys. I can’t help it. I have a Leisure Service Management degree from Fresno State. I’m doing the best I can.

J Dub

October 27th, 2009
1:06 pm

What college football fans lack in general is a little objectivity. If a Dawg fan has something to say about the officiating, the Gators and Bama fans immediately defend the calls and tell the Dawgs to stop whining. When Tennessee does the same thing, guess who comes out of the pack to tell them to stop whining? Objectivity is the key. Of course with Florida and Alabama, they are undefeated and thus have no real opinion on the matter. Do you think they will come out and say, “Yes, there is a problem with the ref situation in the SEC.” Of course not, same as if the shoe was on the other foot. No doubt, Alabama and Florida would be calling for heads to roll while UGA and TN and ARK and whoever else would be saying “You should have stopped us, stop whining!” The whole stop whining statement has become a crutch used by too many when they don’t have anything of substance to add to a discussion. I for one do not believe that the call against LSU won or lost us the game. Did it have an effect? Possibly. No one knows what the effect of crucial calls really are because the game changes from that point on. All things being equal, we don’t get the penalty, and there still are no guarantees that we don’t stop them. Maybe Holliday returns it for a score, returns it to the same spot, and then Charles Scott rumbles for the same td romp. Maybe we the kick is a touchback, we put LSU in obvious passing downs and we win. Who Knows? At this point, who cares? The game is over and we lost, plain and simple. All that being said, it still does not change the fact that the call should not have been made and it hurt the Dawgs in that circumstance. Doesn’t mean that I am whining when I say that. The facts are the facts. I am not living in a world where the dawgs are 6-1 or 5-2 in my mind because what might or could have been. We are 4-3 and I am living with that. We have some obvious problems with our offense, defense, and special teams. Again, it doesn’t take the sting away from a bad call!

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
1:07 pm

Hammer,

Please point out the calls the officials made for Bama in the UT game.

Agree with the Lord of Lizards

October 27th, 2009
1:08 pm

Hear hear! Someone makes the insipid comparison of the upstart Kiffin to FDR and just last week there was a reference to his (Kiffin) fighting like our ambushing Revolutionary Forefathers fought the prim and proper, rank and file British (of course the Americans did fight in the traditional manner as well and not always ambush. Hint: “Patriot” isn’t historical). Kiffin shouldn’t even be compared to great coaches, much less great national leaders. How shameful it is for a school like UT to resort to hiring such a waste of skin. They will reap what they sow–and it ain’t what they’re hoping for. This childish coach has been on the job less than a year and has 2 strikes. Unprecedented. The real Bob Neyland must be rollin in his grave. He’d beat the livin’ shee-ite outa that punk of a coach.

Bobby Petrino

October 27th, 2009
1:08 pm

Stop picking on me guys. I can’t help it. I have a P.E. degree from Carroll College in Helena, Montana. I’m doing the best I can.

Bob

October 27th, 2009
1:10 pm

Bottom line: If a call (or no call) is questionable, its going to go Florida’s way. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a fact. If you think otherwise you simply aren’t watching the games or only seeing what you want to see. Its quite blatant.

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
1:20 pm

Lane Kiffen and Gary Danielson; both think they know what they are talking about, but don’t. Both are ignorant pricks who are always wrong about whatever it is their running their mouths about. JUST SHUT UP and quit crying about everything.

Dorsey Hill

October 27th, 2009
1:20 pm

I hate to be one of those conspiracy nuts and I’m not quite ready to say that the refs have been influenced to take care of UF or Bama, although the conference would receive a ton of money if both played in SECCG as undefeateds because both teams would qualify for BCS games regardless of the outcome. However, I did watch the WVU and Pitt game a couple of years ago and if WVU had won they would have played for the national title. Accusations of wearing a tin foil hat notwithstanding, you could never convince me that the refs did not try to assure a WVU victory. Having seen that game, I know that it can happen, because it has in the past. What may be at play here isn’t so much of a conspiracy, but the simple knowledge in the refs minds that a bad call against one of those two teams, or a missed call that should have been called in favor one of one of those two teams, that results in a the loss to the SEC of that payday would come with a greater degree of punishment than the other way around. In other words, is it possible that when the PF against Arky was called that the ref thought in the back of his mind that if he missed that call and UF lost that it would be bad for him? I’m not sure that any SEC official would tell the refs to call a game one way or the other, but the refs are human and they know where the real pressure lies and that is if they are responsible for losing teh conference an 8 digit payday. In short, screw Arky and receive a minor punishment, but screw UF or Bama and you aren’t a SEC ref anymore.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
1:23 pm

Bob: What game are you watching and what color are your glasses? Blatant? Fact? I guess that is why UF is the 35th most penalized team in college football. Next thing you’ll say is that the refs want TN to win and that is why they are #7 in penalties. Or maybe, all of the problems with UGA are the refs and that is why they are 117th for penalties out of 120 teams.

Gatorchomp

October 27th, 2009
1:24 pm

Flashback: 1 year ago, Oct. 27, 2008–Tennessee had an overall record of 3-4 and were 1-3 in conference play. Vol fans hate their experienced coach.

Today: Oct. 27, 2009–Tennessee has an overall record of 3-4 and are 1-3 in conference play. Vol fans love their inexperienced coach.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
1:29 pm

Dorsey,

Please list the calls the refs made to take care of Bama in the UT game.

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
1:30 pm

As far as this talk about Bama and UF getting help from the refs, that’s bogus. Florida did not get that TD and that was a bad ball.
But in the UT/Bama game, I saw a pass interence and a two holdings on UT that DID NOT get called. Kiffin can complain, but they commited all those penalties plus more that they got away with and we all know they shouldn’t have gotten another try for a FG at the end. Crybaby Kiffin and ignorant VOl fan, you can also shut up.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
1:36 pm

If it will put an end to the Cody penalty talk, I have perused the NCAA rule book and located the rules on kicks and unsportsmanlike conduct. If anyone would like me to copy-and-paste, let me know.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
1:42 pm

For the record, coaches that are complaining in the SEC about officiating and their SEC record:

Vandy: 0-5
TN: 1-3
ARK: 1-4
MSst: 1-3

See a pattern emerging? These guys are hoping to keep their job another year.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
1:43 pm

Got 12? I think that would be helpful, but I’m not sure facts are allowed here!

Brew

October 27th, 2009
1:43 pm

Gatorchomp, you are on to something here. Let’s take it further. If, somehow, your coach for the moment were to stay for 17 years and go 3-4 to this point, would you like it? No. Especially when he had a NC (or in your case, two) and hadn’t won the SEC in ten years. How about with two recruiting classes in the 30s instead of the top ten?
Bottom line, Kiffin is doing a tremendous job with the talent on hand. We have Eric Berry, yes. But we just started a game against Bama’s great D with two 260 lb. walk-on OL and outgained them. Those were the guys Cody beat for the FG blocks. Our MLB until a season-ending injury was a 5′10″, 220 lb undersized walk-on. A team of Tennessee’s historical stature and not far removed from playing for the SECC, shouldn’t have to start three walk-ons, but they were the best we had.
You were one who thought your team would beat us by 50, but you couldn’t. Same with Uga, same with Bama. We were supposed to lose all the games by a total of 150 pts or more, but we lost by ten, won by 26, and missed a FG for the win at the end. It’s unsatisfying to have lost two of them, but to play them as close as we did on the road with the talent disparity on hand is a little bit satisfying.
So, yes, we do love our inexperienced coach. He’s caught up with inferior talent to teams having multiple HS AA and all-SEC types. When the talent levels catch up, we look to have a coaching advantage. Heck, we’re 3-4 and favored to beat a ranked SEC team this week. The rest of the nation has caught on. Maybe you should too.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
1:47 pm

help, I live in Georgia and cracker,

The Terrance Cody play is mute. Bama would have had the ball. End of story. Just like a lot of Lame’s comments such as the comment about Fla. illegally recruiting Nukeese Richardson Lame simply does not know the dam rule.

As far as the comments from help, cracker, and Lame Kiffin himself that the officiating was unfair they were absolutely right. It was very unfair to Bama.

The no call on the pass interference to Julio Jones in the end zone. The rule specifically states the db cannot inhibit the receivers path to the ball. By definition this was pass interference and should have been called. Should have been first and goal from the 1 or 2 for Bama.

Or how about UTs blatantly illegal pick play that the commentators talked about and which was obvious to everyone but the ref? It allowed UT a 7-8 yard pass play and 1st down.

Or how about the equally as blatant holding noncall UT committed on the final drive against Chavis Williams? That was a mugging if I’ve ever seen one and I believe it was on the pass play to Stocker.

That’s 3 horrific noncalls that all went in favor of UT and which are confirmed by replay. So Lame still says the refs favor Bama. The evidence suggests quite the contrary

how2fish 4 men

October 27th, 2009
1:53 pm

Oh you boys are so angry! Come over to my apartment and I’ll “calm you down” ;)

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

Brew,

Has it come down to moral victories and “wait til next year/building for the future”? Sad.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
1:55 pm

So Lame didn’t want to try to get more yardage to get a closer field goal attempt because he was in fear of “magical flags” coming out of nowhere. Lame Kiffin, let’s look at the eight penalties that you believe were unfairly called on your team:

Penalty number 1 — 620 to go in the 1Q

False start – five yards — yep, I’m sure that call was imaginary.

Penalty number 2 — Alabama’s ball with 448 to go in the 1Q

Pass interference – 8 yards — yep, I’m sure that call was completely imaginary as well. Replay should it was very blatant and even UT fans would agree.

Penalty number 3 early 3Q on punt to Alabama

Illegal block below the waist when the TN player took out our blocking wedge on Javy’s return — right out in the open — I’m sure that Kiffin will send that video to the SEC as evidence of an imaginary call. The UT player took out 2 Bama blockers with that cheap shot. Good cheating job though because without that play Javy probably takes it the distance.

Penalty number 4 — mid 3Q

Delay of game — My God — this was obviously a made-up, favor Alabama call that no reasonable person would have called on TN

Penalty number 5 — early 4Q

False start — I mean, I’m sure you could look at that play over and over again and not find a single flinch by UT — an obviously biased call by the pro-Alabama crew.

Penalty number 6 – early 4Q

Holding — interestingly, the only holding call on UT all day long — if you had a biased crew — holding would be the one call you would call all day long – and yet, only one holding all day long. Too bad the crew missed the blatant holding by UT on their last drive against Bama’s Chavis Williams.

Penalty number 7 — late 4Q

Roughing the kicker — I’m surprised that Kiffen didn’t pull his team off the field when this was called — obviously his man never even touched PJ Fitzgerald when he went straight into him.

Penalty number 8 — last 4Q

False start — the last straw I’m sure in Kiffin’s mind, and the smoking gun that just proves the refs were biased — another magical flag.

In summary, Kiffin essentially accused the crew of being biased for calling eight penalties on his team — and at least seven of the eight were obvious, out in the open calls — and only one of them was a holding call. Imaginary calls? Lame has got to be kidding.

After reviewing this list, Slive should have suspended Kiffin this time — because Kiffin had zero basis to question any of the calls on his team – there was nothing questionable about any of these calls — unlike Mullen’s or Petrino’s complaints.

Someone in the media should call Kiffin out, and ask him specifically about what calls he questioned — the false starts? the delay of game? the roughing the kicker?

He isn’t just being obnoxious — he’s being flat out dishonest.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
1:57 pm

Gman,

Sorry, I forgot the blog rules. I will go back to name calling.

Gatorchomp

October 27th, 2009
2:02 pm

Brew–I think it was Kiffin himself who said he wasn’t into “moral victories.” Fortunately for him, Vol fans are. I’m actually impressed with Kiffin. I’m impressed with anybody that can talk his way into a $2 million HC job at Tenn with no college HC experience and a 5-15 record as an NFL coach. The dude has the best player in college football (Berry) along with a lot of other talent, yet Kiffin has convinced Vol fans that he and his staff are making due with a JV squad. And now on this blog, we’ve got Vol fans comparing Kiffin to FDR. Wow. To me, this is looking like Kentucky’s first year with Billy Gillispie. UK fans were sick of Tubby–just like UT fans were sick of Fulmer. Both hired inexperienced but excitable coaches who love to run their mouths. Fans loved both of them at the beginning. But both programs continued to lose. And like UK basketball, the honeymoon will not last long with Kiffin.

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
2:10 pm

Tide Rising

Nice post brother. That’s the way to set’em straight, with facts. Too bad their still too ignorant to see the truth. Plus all the “no calls”, they really got cheated didn’t they? I would bet my left nut that the “head set not working” ploy was all Kiffin too.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:10 pm

Tide Rising,

This blog is no place for a clearly delineated argument supported by evidence. Join me as I return to name calling and making unfounded accusations.

Bamafan

October 27th, 2009
2:13 pm

It is always a dead ball foul..Read the rules..Whomever has possesion at end of play retains possesion..Done over!!

Big Dawg

October 27th, 2009
2:14 pm

G’villegator

First off while you probably are right about the singled out calls in these games i.e. FL/Arkansas, FL/MS ST, AL/TN and GA/LSU that they did not have a bearing on the outcome of the games. But unfortunately they weren’t the only horrible calls or non calls in these games which IMHO did have an effect on the outcome in these games. That FL, AL and LSU were the beneficiaries of these calls only adds credence to the suggestion that the SEC has some serious issues. Why hasn’t excessive celebration/unsportsmanlike conduct been called on Tebow, why when these teams have the ball they get the right foot spot and their opponents get the left foot spot? Why when their players hit the QB late or lead with the helmet it is not called, but if their opponent even appears to be late or looks like they led with their helmet it gets called?

Most true football fans want the games called fairly and consistently and that is not happening and as far as I am concerned that needs to be addressed and rectified. We all know that sometimes the official miss calls but to blatantly see things that didn’t occur or miss things that did is unacceptable. Now as far as a National Officiating that isn’t necessary if the SEC does the right thing and straightens this out.

G8R GRAD

October 27th, 2009
2:16 pm

Recruiting guru

October 27th, 2009
2:16 pm

I see that Brew is racking up the moral victories. I think he tends to forget that UT loses more seniors than anybody, especially senior starters. 4 of their 5 o-lineman are seniors and the one returning starter will be one of those 6′1 260 lb Sullins boys that Terrence ran over. Top 2 qbs are gone and as much as UT fans complain about Crompton you gotta wonder how bad their 3rd teamer is behind Crompton and Stephens. Anyone even know who he is?

All in all UT loses 8 seniors on offense and 6 on defense include stalwarts like Rico Mccoy, Dan Williams, and Eric Berry who will more than likely go pro. That’s 8 returning starters coming back which will probably be the lowest in the sec.

I don’t think anyone will really have to worry about UT for several years to come if ever.

And of course UT fans like to talk as if this team Kiffin is devoid of talent. Wrong again. This year’s senior class was rated 4th nationally when they signed 2005 class in rivals.com and was also top 5 recruiting class in scout.com

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:19 pm

Big Dawg,

Specifically, which calls/non-calls did Bama benefit from in the UT game or the previous games?

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:22 pm

Got 12,

You probably right. Since the facts clearly do not support UT’s argument the Vol fans should just go back to complaining with unfounded accusations,bitching, and name calling. What’s so funny is that if you look at the game in retrospect you see just how badly we got screwed on the officiating. Its hilarious that they actually think they’re the ones who got screwed. How do you reason with people like that? I guess you’re right. You can’t.

Brew

October 27th, 2009
2:24 pm

Chomp, it’s not about moral victories. I said those losses were unsatisfactory. It’s about seeing marked improvement from last year to this. It’s about seeing the Crompton that stunk in Fla. become one of the best QBs this month with his performances against Uga and Bama. You really think Timmy will throw for 265 against Bama? You have higher regarded receivers and QBs. Yet, your passing game looks worse than ours this past weekend. We played Bama, you played MSU. We appreciate in Kiffin that our team is being coached up and that the players are buying in. We feel very, very good about the future because we are already getting better now. That’s the difference in last year and this one.

Anonymous

October 27th, 2009
2:24 pm

Hey 69Dawg,

“Just because we are paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get us.”

That’s funny right there, I don’t care who ya are!

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
2:25 pm

“mightykc
huh? i showed you a YOUTUBE VIDEO OF THE GAME AS IT HAPPENED. You think the announcers have videos that the booth doesn’t you idiot.

As for the ark game i never said it was reviewable. i said it was another pathetic bs call that went for UF so they could retain their undefeated season. and there were two 2 atrocious calls in that game. dumbazz”

joe-tard,
the booth did not have both angles SYNCED UP W/ THE SAME TIMESTAMP!
duh! that is the only thing, if one was sure it was accurate, that would clearly overturn the call on the field. also, i looked and did not see what youtube vid you are referring to.

if you know it wasn’t reviewable (arky penalty), then you know the ref already admitted it was a bad call, and there was nothing to do about it other than apologize, which he did. BAD CALLS HAPPEN IN EVERY GAME! on mallets 3rd and 18 bomb to childs-please, carlos dunlap was held for 2 seconds. it was a missed call. the refs only did it to keep the game close for ratings! who do i sound like? joe-tard! i understand the the refs missed that call, but i’m not naive enough to blame the entire game’s outcome on that play. you’d like to think the refs missed the FG for arky, too.

your and all the other whiners need to understand, like most fans do, that teams can’t let a call decide the game, they need to beat their opponents and take advantage of every play the entire game. note the coaches complained about bad calls, but none were stupid enough to say “we would have won otherwise!”. now, just give kiffin a few more days, though, as he talks about as intelligently as most msg board fans. yep, that’s who i want running my program.

and the pass interference call (the other call you whine about) was not a bad call….the defender hits the FL WR w/ his body before the ball arrives. another judgement call where even after reviewed in replay (play is not reviewable), there was no evidence to show it was a bad call…that play was not unlike 90% of all PI calls.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm

Big Dawg, those are some pretty hefty accusations. I’m sure any news agency would be happy to see your video evidence of this occuring so please provide it. Otherwise, it may just be your television or your perspective that needs adjusting. The refs are human and they are attempting to call it in real time. Some plays are not reviewable. Your slow-motion on your tv is not in their head and they don’t have the benefit of a sports announcer who may be siding with your team on the play talking in their ear.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:27 pm

im4bama,

Once again this moron Lame Kiffin counfounds me with his illogic. The headsets not working clearly favored UT and not Bama. Bama was on offense and this obviously hurts the offense more. Any idiot knows that. Bama’s off coordinator was up in the booth and couldn’t receive signals so obviously we were screwed. UT was on defense and Monte Kiffin was right there on the sideline so obviously it had little or no effect on them. Sometimes you really wonder just how stupid Lame Kiffin really is. None of what this guy says ever makes sense or has any logical thought behind it. Could this guy possibly be any dumber when he runs his mouth?

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
2:28 pm

I think it shows how good Bama is coached that they did not have one holding call all game… that is impressive…

sec fan

October 27th, 2009
2:28 pm

we had better find something to raise hell about because if we don’t the world might notice how over rated we are as a conference. why is LSU rated ? they are week, and so is Fla. its sad that the word just got out, after playing no one for the first half of the year and not really winning big. And now Bama has problems too. the whole SEC is weak and any team can beat each other. But don’t they have problems when they play out side the conference? when ever that happens. they like really small schools from no where. OVER RATED

Brew

October 27th, 2009
2:29 pm

12, Kiffin also argued disparity in calls of 8 to 1. You want to live in a fairy tale world where you get 12 was it, in SC, but suddenly you’ve improved to only one in Tuscaloser that’s on you.
I wouldn’t argue those were bad calls against us. We committed them. I think the world stands amazed that as your team is fighting for it’s life against a heavy, heavy underdog, that they commit ONE. No holding when Ingram only gets 99. No pass interference as Crompton…CROMPTON is throwing for 265. There’s plenty of room there to discuss the disparity in the number of calls.
Plus, if the refs weren’t so busy showing your guys where the ball was on the last blocked FG, they could have thrown the flag, as they were supposed to, discussed it, and told the world that the flag didn’t matter. That would have been the proper course of action and no one would argue conspiracy.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:31 pm

Big Dawg,

Name one specific call that unfairly benefited Alabama in the Tennessee game. Just one. The terrance cody issue has already been settled and it had no effect on the game whatsoever. I can name 3 instances where Bama got screwed in that game as I did in a previous post. I’m asking you to name one bad call where UT got screwed since you think they did.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
2:32 pm

Got 12? I think you are now going to have to present the facts/rules of the game so Brew will understand. Sorry about having to do that. I know it’s much easier to just ramble on about a conspiracy or something like that without bearing.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:36 pm

Tide,

You exchange a couple of “Moron!” and “Idiot!” comments and move on. Don’t let them get to you.

Hey, where is everyone this afternoon? Seemingly, the only folks on the blog are Bammers and delusional Viles. lol

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:37 pm

Brew,

The refs largely let the 2 teams play and hence the lack of holding calls which are the most subjective. Bama and UT had 1 each. The rest of the calls against UT such as false starts, delay of game, illegal procedure, etc. there is no subjectivity in these calls. There is nothing to be argued including the disparity. UT committed them and Bama didn’t. This is not difficult to understand.

If you can’t understand the difference between subjective calls and cut and dried obvious calls where there is no dispute such as delay of game, false start, illegal procedure, then I just can’t help you.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
2:41 pm

Ok, here is the deal. The player removed his helmet before change of posession. It was not 4th down. The rule states.

Officials should ascertain before the ball is ready for play if players are not wearing mandatory equipment or are wearing illegal equipment.
Only in an emergency should the play clock be interrupted. Examples: A
player(s) not wearing a helmet or a mouthpiece (A.R. 1-4-6-I). The team
will be charged a timeout or, if all timeouts have been used, a delay-ofgame foul. VIOLATION—Rules 3-3-6 and 3-4-2-b-2 [S23, S3 or S21].

So, the play should have been interrupted. Since Bama caused the play to be interrupted and they were on defense, UT should have retained posession with one more play with no time on the clock.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:42 pm

help, I live in Georgia.

Holy cow. The fact that the refs didn’t throw a flag on Cody in which Bama would have had the ball with 0 time left on the clock shows a bias of the refs towards Bama? Are you kidding? How on earth does one come up with such a sweeping generalization? Man, that is quite a leap in logic. You need to go back and read the posts on this.

You think that one meaningless noncall proves an obvious bias, that you can make this leap in intent based on a meaningless non call when the game is over is nothing short of amazing. Absolutely amazing!

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:45 pm

Regarding the play itself, just as with a kickoff, when the ball comes to rest and no one attempts to recover it, the play is over.

RULE 6. KICKS
SECTION 3. Scrimmage Kicks
ARTICLE 7. Out of Bounds between Goal Lines or at Rest Inbounds

If a scrimmage kick goes out of bounds between the goal lines or comes to rest inbounds and no player attempts to secure it, the ball becomes dead and belongs to the receiving team at the dead-ball spot.

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
2:47 pm

Cracker,

This rule is for before the snap of the ball dude. Your pathetic to still be crying over this when even the officals themselves said if there was a penalty, Bama would have possesion of the ball.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm

Got 12, the play is dead when the ref blows the whistle… that ref was watching the ball and did not blow the whistle til the guys jumped on it, because the ball was still live….

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm

Cracker,

For God’s sake how many dam times does this have to be explained to you and other vol fans. Its a freaking dead ball foul. Had the ref called it the penalty would have been enforced AFTER the play. Bama would have had the ball at its own 12 yard line with zero time on the clock.

Tony points this out, the sec commissioner points this out, everyone now understands the rule.

That is why when a guy showboats or points at a defensive opponent on his way to the end zone the penalty is assessed AFTER the play. They don’t assess the penalty and put it on the 15 yard line. Its assessed on the point after or kickoff in that case cause its a dead ball foul

For Pete’s sake how dam hard is this for you to understand?

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:52 pm

But wait! Some of you (including Lane) say an unsportsmanlike should have been called in Cody resulting in a rekick. Not so fast, My Rivals!

According the rule book, the penalty would have been enforced after the result of the play which was Bama possession.

RULE 9. Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
ARTICLE 1.
There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players, substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area (Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment
adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first down).

If committed while the ball is alive, these fouls are treated as dead-ball fouls.

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
2:52 pm

Cracker, are you Lane Kiffin?

Grantland Rice

October 27th, 2009
2:53 pm

Tide Rising

Give up on the rule explanation, their mind is made up. It’s like the movie Cool Hand Luke.

“What we have here is a failure to communicate. Some men, you just can’t reach”.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:53 pm

Cracker,

The ref didn’t blow the whistle because Bama still could have picked up the ball and run with it if they wanted to. And if the ref would have thrown a flag on Cody we would have had the ball on the 12 anyway with no time left. Let it go dudes. Everybody, Tony, the sec commissioner, the supervisor of refs, EVERYONE agrees Bama would have had the ball at its own 12. How in the hell do you not uderstand this no matter how many times its explained?

GMan

October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm

If a blocked field goal is in or behind the neutral zone, it is treated like a fumble and can be advanced by either team. Beyond the neutral zone, a blocked kick is treated like a punt or missed field goal and can be advanced only by the defense, unless a defensive player fumbles the ball, after which an offensive player can advance it.

This is what was stated by Bloom – “The foul for taking helmet off is a live ball foul treated as a dead-ball foul,” Bloom wrote in an e-mail Saturday night. “That is, if it happens on a play where time does not expire then the penalty is enforced on the following play. However since the clock ran out on that play, then there is no next play, so there is no penalty to mark off.”

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
2:55 pm

im4Bama… “your pathetic”? lol I am not crying. I enjoy watching Bama fans when they are winning. The entertainment value is tremendous. I know y’all have been down for so long that this promised land that Bear once took you to seems almost in reach…. you can taste it….Bama is back!!!! This is fun to watch, though nothing is better than watching y’all turn on a coach and defend your illegal activities… it is good clean entertainment…

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:55 pm

Grantland Rice,

I guess you’re right. No sense arguing with a rock no matter how much you try to explain it. I guess some of these vol fans believe what they want to believe in defiance of logic and reality. It just amazes me that somebody can be that dam dense.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:56 pm

Brokebackvol

October 27th, 2009
2:56 pm

As far as the Vols vs Bammers, the disparity in number of calls against UT is much more troubling than calling a celebration type thing at the end, when it really does make no difference. There was not enough time to do anything anyway. But UT played a pretty good game, and 8 penalties to only 1 is at least a bit suspect, considering UT is one of the very least penalized teams. Bammers are no angels, regardless of what lies their mamas tell them.

PS: The south is FILLED with rednecks and hillbillies – anybody in the SEC who wants to make fun of others better look out in their own backyard cause none of the SEC states are innocent of that charge. Deal with it. Some of your family trees look like telephone poles.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:57 pm

Cracker,

You can not possibly be any stupider. It is absolutely breathtaking that there are people like you in the world who simply cannot think.

Mike Shula

October 27th, 2009
2:57 pm

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Mike Shula

October 27th, 2009
2:58 pm

Darby up the middle 3 times….. then JUMBO PACKAGE time !!!!!!

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
2:59 pm

I thought crackers were supposed to be salty, not bitter. lol

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
2:59 pm

Brokeback vol, an 8 to 1 disparity in penalties is easily explainable when all of the penalties are cut and dried penalties such as false start, delay of game, illegal procedure, there is no subjectivity and they are so obvious that they can’t not be called. Ut committed them we didn’t. Its just that simple.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:00 pm

Damn, I do not even have to set the hook with this bunch….

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
3:01 pm

Cracker,

Who’s defending who? Sounds to me like your defending the idiot that keeps running his mouth, accusing coaches,referee’s and anyone else who’s convenient to blame of cheating while he’s the actual cheater and liar.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:05 pm

Seriously, I am pretty sure that “stupider” is not a word….

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
3:06 pm

Cracker,

If we lose the rest of our games and end up bowling in Birmingham, I will still be able to watch end of the Bama-UT game with a smile on my face.

TEBOW TOSSES SALAD

October 27th, 2009
3:06 pm

i hope one our d linemen gets a personal foul on tebow right off the rip saturday to set the tone. F the gaytors!!!!!heck i wonder if they will be to afraid to even call something legit.

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm

Mike Shula,

Is your dad still making disparaging remarks about Bama to any paper that will listen?

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
3:08 pm

Cracker,

Its been fun. I’m going to go and watch the Bama-UT replay. My favorite play is watching Cody rip is helmet off in celebration. Is that a penalty?

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Hey, got 12 in your mouth… I am told I taste salty, but bitter when I eat asperagus… but you are right, I usually do taste salty. Does that excite you?

Keep it Real!

October 27th, 2009
3:10 pm

Look Bama fans! You are very lucky thatLane( I do not know how to manage the game clock) Kippin in a game.

With 45 seconds left on the clock you run one play to kick a long field goal. Bama fans relax and enjoy this ride until you have to play UTAH.

This year BAMA fans after losign to Florida in the SEC championship, you will play Boise State who will also whip that Bama butt!

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:15 pm

Hey tide rising, enjoy the replay… I do not want to hear about you touching yourself unless the camera pans to the cheerleaders, a Bear montage, and Nick Saban….

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
3:22 pm

Cracker,

I can handle you needling me with juvenile insults. That doesn’t bother me at all. What bothers me is that I couldn’t comprehend the fact that you were that stupid that the rule had to be explained to you over and over and you still didn’t get it. I’m glad we finally reached you though. But hey, in the name of wittiness ya gotta come up with something better than the bit about camera pans to the cheerleaders,etc. Amuse me, make me laugh. You are after all my personal freaking clown!

RAM

October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

This has probably been addressed before, but I see a need for a uniformity of camera angles and locations regarding endzone plays. Unfortunately, the angle of the cameras (on both sides of the play) in the disputed Florida-MSU int for a td appear to be just off of the goal line so it may not be as clear as some think that the ball was completely behind the goalline. I always thought cameras were posted right on the goal line (as it seems this way on many plays), but other times they are clearly off to one side. Also, I’ve long held that the Fla coaches teach to their players to in essence “cheat within the rules” so as to gain whatever advantage they can without garnering a penalty. For instance, Louis Murphy (and this year Cooper) are masters at pulling the jerseys of defensive backs (heck Murphy literally slung his way by Asher Allen for a TD catch last year) to gain separation. Hopefully, the refs are done paying back the DAWGS for the endzone celebration of 2 years ago.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm

Ya Tide Rising….you totally ’splained the rules to me… I jumped on this thread fired up about how bad a team I dislike with a coach I dislike got screwed by the refs… I was very emotional…but now I understand the rules….lol

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:32 pm

I got called stupid by a guy who says stupider… good stuff…

GMan

October 27th, 2009
3:35 pm

RAM, you had me agreeing with you in the first part but then lost me in the second. Please no more conspiracy stuff, the refs aren’t mad at the Dawgs and they don’t favor any one team. Also, there is no such thing as ‘cheat within the rules’ if it is WITHIN the rules.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
3:37 pm

GMan, I mentioned I played at UGA in response to a question to another blogger who asked if anyone here had played and could attest to momentum swings on penalties… not looking for a red badge of courage.

All officials in every conference miss calls, make bad calls etc. The problem and the main reason for the dis-content by all parties involved is the timing and placement of them. Notice guys how no one is really arguing the pass interference against Arky on the same drive as the PF penalty because we all know it is subjective and apt to happen on every play.

But, having known several good officials throughout my life, a common thread fills the better ones… “If I’m going to call (celebration, PI, PF, etc) I better know I have it right.”

That’s what the guy who called celebration against UGA missed, as did the one who called the PF against Arky. When a call happens in the second quarter you re-group and come again. When it happens at the :42 mark and you just lost the lead on said call, you guys who say get over it obviously are armchair qb’s.

And btw GMan and a few others…. of course the ones bytching are the losing teams and their fans… you never gripe when your boss accidentally slipped an extra $100 in your check do you? Only when he takes it out! What do UF & Bama have to gripe about?

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
3:38 pm

Cracker,

Get back to me when you learn how to spell asparagus. Also, come on. I’m waiting for something funny from you. Insult me with some wit, some real humor. I have low expectations of you but I know you can do it.

Crump

October 27th, 2009
3:40 pm

Understand the logic, but it won’t help. Fans ain’t the most logical bunch, especially after a close loss, and more especially after a close loss after a close play. Guarantee the conspiracy theories may vary in content, but they’ll still be there.

GT

October 27th, 2009
3:40 pm

When you named the coaches on the probation list there was no surprises….. The ACC doesn’t have the coaches jumping ship in the same conference as much as the SEC. We have one coach at NC State which hasn’t done the Wolf Pack that much good, Boston College beat them last weekend with their second wife…I mean coach. That whole picture over there reminds me of one of those daisy chain bank deals in Texas. Football was created as a recreational thing like fraternities and school plays, and has evolved into a monster where the school itself has absolutely no control. The million dollar salaries are not paid by the school, the kids that play in most colleges could never qualify to be there on their own, it is like a film crew coming into your house and taking over your life with little regard to you as the owner. Some guy above talks about coaches caring. How can you care when you can’t even remember what school you’re coaching. You think Chan Gailey cared? He may have been the poster boy of burned out journeyman collecting big paychecks and wearing yellow ties.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:41 pm

Ouch, does that mean I am “stupider” now?

Anonymous

October 27th, 2009
3:43 pm

“Stupider is as stupider does.”

My name's Forrest, . . .

October 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

Who’s this Anon Y. Mous man, Bubba?

im4bama

October 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

Tide Rising and Cracker,
Thanks for the entertainment today, it’s been fun. Read ya tommorrow, I’m out.

Bubba

October 27th, 2009
3:47 pm

He ain’t no shrimper, Forrest.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
3:51 pm

Hal, I’m an armchair QB now and so are you. So what? My point is that the PF on Arkansas placed the ball on the 10-yd line and gave UF a 1&10. They scored on that first down play to tie the score. It didn’t cost Arkansas the game, there was 7 MINUTES and 27 SECONDS remaining. Go watch the film before making a dumb remark.

Tide Rising

October 27th, 2009
3:51 pm

Cracker. Stupider than stupid! yep.Gotta go. Its been fun though. We kept everyone entertained. See ya around and if you need further clarification on the rules just blog me and I’ll help ya. RTR

DP

October 27th, 2009
3:52 pm

Hey Brew, help me out with that bit about the officials showing Alabama where the ball was after the blocked kick, because you can look at it on YouTube and see an official standing and looking at the ball without making any kind of move or gesture. Then 2 Alabama guys saw the ball and covered it.

If you’re going to lie, at least make it something that anybody can’t look at on YouTube.

Nativebird

October 27th, 2009
3:52 pm

the question of the Helmet coming off of Cody during or after the live ball IS THE REASON that we need INSTANT REVIEW REPLY OF ALL OFFICIALS CALLS, PERIOD. EVEN JUDGEMENT CALLS AND PENALTIES. in for a dime, in for a dozen. remember tony, GET THE CALL RIGHT? WELL?

Forrest

October 27th, 2009
3:58 pm

Nativebird,

That would make for a 12 hour game. The Cody play as has been talked about ad nausem if a penalty had been called it would be first down at the bama 12 for bama since it was a dead ball foul. Read some posts on the page before on this.

Cracker

October 27th, 2009
3:59 pm

Bama fans are the Amberjack of the internet world… just dangle something shiny in front of them and they will fight you hard for a long time… let em go… go to the same spot… drop another something shiny and they jump right back on the line… Amberjack are not the most glorious fish out there, but when nothing else is biting, you can always depend on them… plus, we sell them to yankees and tell them they are grouper… but that story is for another day…

Go AU

October 27th, 2009
4:00 pm

Hey gatorKIM….yeah, AUBURN fans did call the gators losers…..bet you are glad we are not on your schedule this year…..we won the last two times we played. there is a reason you wanted us off the schedule….hahahahahhahaha ROFLMAO

mightyKC

October 27th, 2009
4:03 pm

“Also, I’ve long held that the Fla coaches teach to their players to in essence “cheat within the rules” so as to gain whatever advantage they can without garnering a penalty. For instance, Louis Murphy (and this year Cooper) are masters at pulling the jerseys of defensive backs (heck Murphy literally slung his way by Asher Allen for a TD catch last year) to gain separation. Hopefully, the refs are done paying back the DAWGS for the endzone celebration of 2 years ago.”

wah, wah, wah. every UGA player should have been thrown out of that game if the refs actually called the rule as it should have been, #1.

and #2, hilarious bringing up the TWO WHOLE TIMES guys jerseys have been grabbed. i have a video that i’ve been compiling ever since Richt started at UGA where he teaches his OL to ‘hold’ but do so in such a manner that is within the rules so that they will not be caught. it has happened on 185 plays so far. now tell me, how stupid is that sentence? pretty dumb, but the difference is you’re being serious!

well if UGa wins this weekend at least we can stop hearing about all the whining! and love their players saying “oooh, we got disrespected!”. these are same a-holes that ran onto the field in 2007. but they don’t see any connection, do they. don’t worry, we stoppped talking in the preseason (publicly) about UGA last year and then let our game do the talking. obviously UGA is putting way too much stock in stopping Tebow and repaying last year’s azz whooping, that they forgot to worry about their other games. and way to lose to kiffy!

Jake

October 27th, 2009
4:05 pm

Seems the SEC has moved to higher “big money” with the contacts with CBS and ESPN. What about the officals are they getting more money or are they being paid at a 1998 pay scale. Should they be paid more, getting NFL type officals and the best officals in the country”, And the issue about a coach not expressing their thougths about a call once they get the facts,, is like the Masters and the Gary McCord deal. Be nice little coach and don’t say anything,, come on! Players like to see their coach stand-up for an incorrect call. I would not want to play for a guy who has no back-bone and stand up for his team.

goober

October 27th, 2009
4:05 pm

Burdell … it was a joke, dude. Only a Techster would fail to recogize that.

Imagine if we all put this much time and thought into REAL challenges in our lives … !

Got 12?

October 27th, 2009
4:05 pm

Nativebird,

Can we let the Cody thing die? Go back to the third page of this blog where I posted the rule (directly from the NCAA football rule book) concerning unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. They are dead ball fouls. That means, since Bama recovered the ball, it would have been a 15-yard penalty but still Bama’s ball. but, since the clock ran out, the game was over.

http://www.finebaum.com/images/2009/20091024ALvsTN_Cody.jpg

UT

October 27th, 2009
4:08 pm

Reptiles Rule- what an idiot- address the fact that timmy boy and his boy Urban are undefeated today because of the trash we call SEC Officials. People are calling (and showing over and over again) what they see. Why not fire the group of slime that was at the Miss St./UF game????? Better teams- right now, if not for the SEC trash on the field- you possibly have 2 losses….hmmm…..how good is that?????

GMan

October 27th, 2009
4:19 pm

Yes UT it is all a conspiracy to rob you and your team the ability to rise to the elite. It all began in the preseason when the commissioner and the refs had a meeting to decide who should represent the SEC. I think it is the same officiating crews each week in the conference. They forgot that it may hurt the strength of schedule for those teams that are complaining to lose every week when they aren’t playing UF and UA. Hmm…I guess they didn’t plan it out real well.

Michael G.

October 27th, 2009
4:25 pm

I do not believe in conspiracy theories, but Tony, you are naive if you think the SEC isn’t fully aware of their $30 million dollar investment to get 2 teams (out of Alabama, LSU, Florida) into BCS bowl games. They are clearly the best teams in the conference this year, and I’ll be pulling for them in the bowl games, but the only thing fans care about is getting the call right. The technology is there, use it. Something doesn’t seem right when an explaination of a “questionable” call comes three days after the fact.

Milli vegasmu

October 27th, 2009
5:01 pm

It’s funny how so many of these calls go in Florida’s favor.
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TCU is coming....

October 27th, 2009
5:07 pm

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Butch

October 27th, 2009
5:13 pm

Beamer better quit worrying about Georgia Tech stomping the Hokies,
and get his ‘CONSTANTLY HOLDING” offensive line ready for North Carolina.

AltamahaDawg

October 27th, 2009
5:14 pm

It’s not about if a bad call literally was the single play that cost somebody a game. It’s the idea that the cource of the game was changed needlessly and unfairly. Nobody knows what “might” have happend, but we all saw what “did” happen as a result of that phantom PF call. It changed the game. “maybe” UF scores a TD there, but the difference between 7:27 left and 6:27 would have been huge the way that game ended, and thats what jumping to the 10 meant as a minimal effect, if not outright handed over the score. Given the events of the game to that point, it’s just as likely that UF has to settle for a 38 yrd FG attempt too. Uf needing to score a TD to win it (or even tie it) in the end with much less time, if any? I’d say that would be a whole nuther deal. Play calling, time, score, Ark’s options, It all changed.

TCU is coming....

October 27th, 2009
5:16 pm

As far as I am concerned Florida has two losses and Alabama has one that is how bad the referees in the South Eastern Conference have corrupted the games. I cannot wait for TCU to play one of these fakes in the BCS Championship game in January. The Horned Frogs are better than Utah was last year and the speed on our defense will smother Tebow or Ingram whoever makes it. How can you possibly expect for the rest of the country to respect your conference after all these bad calls every week. Get some descent, honest officials or lose your automatic BCS bids is the standard that should be set for the conference.

TCU is coming....

October 27th, 2009
5:18 pm

Dan Mullen was fined for his comments which is another topic but I agree with him. Someday a team is going to be cheated so bad on a call in the Sec that the opposing coach will tell his players lets go and leave the field. Get your act together Sec your the biggest joke in sports right now and your overrated to boot.

Hal

October 27th, 2009
5:24 pm

GMan now you crossed the line from un-informed to f-ing idiot. A free set of 7 points never helps the opposing team. Florida’s offense couldn’t get out of it’s own way all evening. They needed desperately the assistance of 30 yards of help and a blind eye on cooper’s offensive PI to score. And btw, a free 7 points and a victory of 3 didn’t give the game away huh? C’mon dude… you’re obviously a gator fan and that’s cool. But you know you got away with one.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
5:28 pm

AltamahaDawg, To say that one play ‘might’ have changed the outcome of a game is unfounded. The fact is UF tied the game. The fact is Arkansas had 7 1/2 minutes to not only put the game out of reach, but even shock the world. Greg Childs dropped a sure TD, Mallett overthrew Wright in the corner of the endzone, Mallet also missed a wide open fullback in the endzone, and they missed two very makeable FG’s. This is after UF coughed the ball up 4 times. The refs didn’t cause Arkansas to lose, Arkansas did.

STW

October 27th, 2009
5:29 pm

Tony,
Once again I call for you to do a no holds barred interview with Slive and ask him how he can allow a UAT graduate to work an Auburn game, or a UT graduate to work a UAT game. The system is ripe for corruption and it has finally come to the forefront this year. Of course long time SEC fans know the favoritism afforded UAT for the past 30 years. When he uses the company line of “We have the best officials in the country” call him on it and let him know there are 12 teams in the SEC and they all deserve competent unbiased officiating every Saturday. Slive needs to publically reprimand himself. We deserve better as fans.

TCU is coming....

October 27th, 2009
5:32 pm

The Sec is not the best conference anymore its the MWC last year and this year. Our officials dont cheat either.

GMan

October 27th, 2009
5:34 pm

Hal, c’mon now you have resulted to name calling? A free seven points? That play wasn’t in the end zone. It gave UF the ball with 7 1/2 minutes remaining and on the 10-yd line. I guess the refs blocked the Arkansas players from defending from the 10-yd line and causing them to at least kick a FG at minimum. I guess the refs caused the Arkansas team to stop themselves after that call AND allow UF to march about 80 yards down the field for another FG kick to seal the victory. Right…sure thing…you are the expert here. I forgot about those FREE points opposing teams get when they get a bad call. That must have not been in my play book. As a player, I always viewed 7 minutes, with the game tied, and the ball in my hands as an opportunity to win. I guess you played the game differently, my bad.

trafficcop

October 27th, 2009
5:48 pm

Sure Tony, that’ll work…………NOT! If you have a better idea let’s hear it but don’t toss a grenade and walk off. Concrete solutions Mr. Confounded F*#k-Up.

Mike Sleeze

October 27th, 2009
5:51 pm

My conference, the SEC, is the best because we have the most money. My genius in negotiating TV contracts is only exceeded by my talent for keeping the higher ranked teams in the “win” column. We have the best facilities, talent, uniforms, colorful characters, and recruits; however, it really is all about the money.

Go State!

October 27th, 2009
5:54 pm

The call in the MSU v Florida game WAS conclusive. It was a fumble – at the one yard line! I’m soooo done with the SEC covering their arses when its the “little guys” in the league. I don’t wear a tin hat or believe conspiracy is running rampant. However, I’ve been a fan long enough to know there are the haves and have nots in the SEC. If that call had gone against a Bama or Florida, Slive would have flown down Monday morning to the respective campus to personally apologize and bring a peace offering. B.S.!

Lord of The Lizards

October 27th, 2009
6:06 pm

UT…you are assuming that the calls in both the Ark and Miss St game would have changed the outcome of either of those games. You have just verified the old saying about assuming…

Jason

October 27th, 2009
6:27 pm

Ummm… Sorry Tony, but moving the ref control from conferences to NCAA level would do nothing to dispel conspiracy theories. It would just shift the accusations from the conferences favoring teams to the NCAA favoring teams. I can see people now whining that the NCAA wants USC and Notre Dame to play in the Championship game because “it would drive up TV ratings”.

Corn Infused Cherries in a Jar

October 27th, 2009
6:34 pm

How would having national, rather than conference officials solve the problem? There’d still be questionable calls and there’d still be conspiracy theories. If it was LSU and Tennessee in first and second place, then they’d be the one’s being accused of cheating. Same if it was Ohio State and USC.

As for the Florida call, I haven’t yet seen an image from an appropriate angle to provide definitive evidence. I’ve seen how perspective tricks with cameras can make a FG look good when it’s bad,,, and vice-versa. You can complain about the cameras, and that can be fixed with a rule change. But you can’t PROVE from the video that the call on the field was wrong.

As for the Alabama call, it’s cheesy whining to begin with. If it was, indeed, an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, and the clock still had time on it, then it would have been marked off on Alabama’s next possession. But the game was over. When it’s over, it’s over.

Sautee Dawg

October 27th, 2009
6:43 pm

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kcvol

October 27th, 2009
6:43 pm

Redding told Jimmy Hyams of Knoxville’s Sportsanimal radio today that a player removing his helmet is not an automatic penalty, that the referee must determined if taunting is involved. He also said, AND GET THIS GEORGIA FANS, that the SEC does not want to penalize a athlete’s ” youthful exuberance”.

The Ole Ball Coach

October 27th, 2009
6:54 pm

Yea everybody crying until the bad call is on your team or cost your team a game.

JB

October 27th, 2009
7:07 pm

Tony, you missed the common thread through all the controversy….I know you don’t believe in conspiracies, but these complaints all come in games where either Bama or UF is playing. Yeah, the SEC knows that if those 2 make it all the way to Atlanta without a loss, the SEC is guaranteed a spot in the title game. Doesn’t take Ellery Queen to figure this one out.

SC Rules!!!

October 27th, 2009
7:08 pm

Corn cherries in a jar,

You’re comment about the refs rings true with a small caveate; come bowl time (Jan 1) the teams playing always have a “nuetral” ref crew working the game too keep the “favoritism” out of the picture. If the NCAA feels this is really becoming an issue then watch for them to install a plant to have non-conf officials call all the games period.

Dorsey Hill

October 27th, 2009
7:19 pm

Got 12,

I didn’t watch the game, but I know that Bama was called for one penalty and UT was called for 8. That is a significant ratio and a statistical improbability.

Johnny DangerDawg

October 27th, 2009
7:52 pm

Are conference officials standard in *every* college sport (basketball, gymnastics, tennis, etc.), or do some NCAA sports use “national” refs? Anybody know?

Dangerous

October 27th, 2009
8:48 pm

What about Julio Jones running and jumping to block the kick and falling on the pile? I thought that this was a penalty this year. What would have happened has they called it Tony?

Joe Bob Thibodaux

October 27th, 2009
8:51 pm

Tony, I think the TV industry has gotten way too much influence over the game of college football. All the games are canned to last the same amount of time. The endless replays prove that refs are human and that they make mistakes. Still, if the ESPN’s, CBS, and etc. didn’t have so much money involved, then the game might revolve around the players instead of the technology and TV time outs–boy what a stupit concept, THE TV TIME OUT. It has gotten to the point that if you want real untarnished football, HIGH SCHOOL is the only option.

Dan Mullen

October 27th, 2009
9:01 pm

Mike, the check cleared….thanks….Dan.

Mikey

October 27th, 2009
9:03 pm

Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon discussed the sorry state of officiating on PTI tonight as well…

Limelight

October 27th, 2009
9:04 pm

Time for everyone to stop whining about the refs – fans, coaches, and players. It’s just like our country’s culture today where a team loses and everyone looks around for someone to blame. Get over it, and get a life.

Former Georgian

October 27th, 2009
9:04 pm

I think the FAA should be in charge of college refereeing. When pilots did something stupid, they didn’t just suspend them for a couple of weeks, they revoked their licenses. I bet you couldn’t find anyone willing to fly with those pilots again, just as you couldn’t find anyone not associated with AL, FL or LSU willing to have the suspended crew referee their games. However, it is obvious that the problem extends beyond that particular crew of officials. Every Saturday there is at least one more egregiously bad call to keep AL, Fl, or LSU undefeated. That being said, I agreed with the non-call at the end of the Alabama game.

nonsense

October 27th, 2009
9:34 pm

Since the SEC has confirmed that a player can remove his helmet before the last play of the game is over without penalty, the next time UT defends a last-play FG attempt, Kiffin should instruct his team to remove their helmets immediately on the snap and throw them at the holder or up in the air to try and hit the football. The flag (IF thrown – ha!) would be disregarded because the time expired.

my only comment

October 27th, 2009
9:58 pm

A Ga fan, I have no ‘agenda’ in the MSU-UF game. I did notice, however, that the review of the play was done in record time. Usually, a close play such as the one in question takes 90 seconds to more than 2 minutes to review. This one was done in under 30 seconds, and it was one of the closest you will see. Also, it appeared to me that there was conclusive evidence that the call had been missed, contrary to what Dr Redding states. I realize that officials are human, and things are missed. This is part of the allure of sports, but I think your idea has merit, TB. Certainly something worth exploring.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

October 27th, 2009
9:59 pm

Why wasn’t there a penalty before the LSU game with Florida?
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California defensive tackle commits to LSU

By SCOTT HOTARD
Advocate sportswriter
Published: Oct 27, 2009

When he visited LSU for the Florida game, Cassius Marsh saw several things he liked. And he saw one thing he definitely didn’t.

Before kickoff, Florida’s players gathered at midfield in Tiger Stadium and stomped on the revered Eye of the Tiger. LSU fans booed. Marsh cringed.

“It kind of (ticked) me off,” Marsh said, “made me want to get out there.”

Perhaps Les Miles should send the Gators a thank-you card. All that stomping stirred something in Marsh, who became LSU’s 23rd Class of 2010 commitment Monday morning.

Marsh, a 6-foot-4, 270-pound defensive tackle, hails from Oaks Christian High School in Westlake Village, Calif. He ends a commitment drought of more than two months for the Tigers following a recruiting bonanza in the spring and summer.

my only comment

October 27th, 2009
10:01 pm

Jim Bob, ESPN is now broadcasting High School games, so they can get their money grubbing hands onto the last bastion of true sportmanship left in America. Within five years they will have ruined it the way they have the NFL, NBA, MLB, CFB, and CBB.

NWA

October 27th, 2009
10:03 pm

The NWA used to use special refs for big matches, Mr Wrestling II, etc…Perhaps NCAA should do the same.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

October 27th, 2009
10:16 pm

my only comment: I must lead a sheltered life for I did not know that. I have seen televised high school games, but I can’t recall TV timeouts.

Forrest

October 27th, 2009
10:33 pm

Dorsey,

Nope. Its not a statistical improbability that UT had 8 penalties to Bama’s one. They had 1 call that was subjective. The rest of the penalties were for delay of game, illegal procedure, false start, etc. There was nothing subjective about any of those calls.

What on earth are you thinking? If someone doesn’t snap the ball in time, jumps offsides, etc. is the ref supposed to not call something that is a cut and dried in your face penalty?

You let your anti-Alabama bias get in the way of your thinking and you just assumed cause one team had more penalties that it HAS TO BE some sort of statistical improbability. Bullsheet!

TCU is coming aint goin nowhere

October 27th, 2009
10:38 pm

You aint to bright are ya boy? So in your mind Bama has a loss. Based on what? Based on an unsportsmanlike penalty that had it been called would have given the ball to Bama minus 15 yards? Dam you are stupid.

And Florida has 2 losses by your count? Based on what? So MSU had a bad call on the Dustin Doe fumble return. Take away 7 pts from Florida. Guess what idiot? They still win the game even without that td.

Grow a brain you freaking moron.

Josh

October 27th, 2009
10:42 pm

I used to like your columns. Not anymore. You need to lose the Mr. College Football moniker.

Signal Dawg

October 28th, 2009
12:20 am

With all the Florida fans saying that Florida was already up by 10, I see where you are going, but, Miss State ended the game 10 points behind UF, correct? Without that touchdown, that would make the difference 3, along with a huge momentum swing in Miss St’s favor.

dawes

October 28th, 2009
12:24 am

tony let conference do their and you stick to do what you do for aliving that is working for the ajc and ga will upset the mightly gators

Its a gator world

October 28th, 2009
1:25 am

Lotta resentment and anger towards Florida and Bama and the lunatic idea that they’re both getting a bunch of bogus calls on purpose. hmmmm. I wonder why that would be?

Deep Ball

October 28th, 2009
7:34 am

Brad,

Are you seriously complaining about the late hit call touchdown in the UF/LSU game?? LSU still scored AFTER that play. The Riley Cooper touchdown catch was completely bogus and had a MUCH bigger impact on the outcome of the game.

Maybe it’s coincedental, but it sure feels like Florida catches more bogus calls in their favor than any other team in the conference.

robert

October 28th, 2009
8:32 am

Looks like Mullen was wrong and Kiffin both wrong and dumb, if he was being honest. It’s more the coaches manipulating the media either to get a favorable call the next time or cover their behinds or rile up their own fans. I haven’t played in 40 years and I apparently know the rules better than Kiffin says he does.

Hal

October 28th, 2009
8:43 am

Oh Gman sorry but I went home… we were having so much fun. Listen, if you deny that the PI called in the end zone, and the PF call on Arky (that they’ve admitted were both close, and ghost respectively) didn’t lead to 7 points, you are indeed nuts and looking thru Gator glasses. If you deny that Cooper spun the DB on his TD catch with a ref standing right on it, then you are indeed nuts and looking thru Gator glasses.

Of course Arky missed many ops to put the game away, as did UF. But UF is the better team and Arky was in way over their heads just to be in it with 5 minutes to go. I actually did not want UF to loose nor did I want them loosing against MSU. However I do hate to see a team that plays so hard get shafted at the end of the game and essentially lose the game on those calls. We were on the winning side once of a terrible call and I didn’t like winning that way. Guess thats the difference between a classy organization and UF.

Could UF had gotten the 1st downs any way? Sure they could have, but we’ll never know. Could they have scored anyway? Sure, but again we’ll never know.

And that’s what you gators and tide fans are missing in everyone else’s arguments. We’ll never know because what should have happened didn’t. The refs influenced the game and any village idiot knows at least that much. They influenced our game against LSU. LSU may have scored anyway, but they changed the momentum, and both teams strategies for the final 1:09… so we’ll never know what would have happened had all these games been called correctly.

It’s not UF’s fault, nor Bama’s nor LSU’s among many others I’m sure that they’ve benefited from some shady calls. You guys just don’t like hearing your teams worthiness questioned, raised your dander. But you have to be willing to understand that we just want to never even talk about the refs at the end of a ballgame, if you’re talking about them… they influenced it. If they didn’t, they’d still be working this weekend. Don’t argue with your heart GMan… you loose credibility. Admit that you got the calls, man up and go play next week. I expect a close game in Jacksonville believe it or not, and dear god I pray the refs don’t get involved!

GMan

October 28th, 2009
9:09 am

Hal, I haven’t argued any of the calls you presented. I definitely believe we were very fortunate to not have it. Do I see calls go the other way that don’t appear founded – yes! I too would rather see the game played without it coming down to a bad call – which is why it should never come down to that and I don’t whine if my team loses because of it. Many years ago that would have been my argument but now I see it for what it is – instead I question the other 59 minutes of the game around that call which led to someone not in a football uniform deciding the outcome. Bad calls are always going to remain a part of the game and unfortunately one or both of the teams feel the effects. But to say that a single play call, a single player on that play, a fan throwing his cup on the field, the wind blowing too much in the stadium because of the architecture of the seating, OR that the refs caused the loss may be stretching it a bit. I’d rather accept that my team put us into a situation that let someone else decide the game. I remember when we were 0-10-1 and I don’t think it was because of bad officiating…although there weren’t camera angles and instant replay on ESPN or YouTube so I could see it, hear it, and over analyze it! I hope for a good clean and exciting game this weekend. May the best team win – without the aid of a yellow hanky. Cheers!

iJax | Baker’s Dozen

October 28th, 2009
9:01 pm

[...] Mississippi State- Speaking of bad calls, if the SEC wants their coaches to stop criticizing officials, perhaps they should hire some who can actually call games correctly, or do as Tony Barnhart suggests and get out of the refereeing game altogether. [...]

Coach O

October 28th, 2009
9:55 pm

You guys act like this is the first football season ever in which a bad call got made in a game. Every team in the SEC has played in a game at one time or another that had questionable calls that probably affected the outcome. It happens. Get over it.

[...] Tony Barnhart, Atlanta Journal-Constitution: It’s time for conferences to get out of the officiating business. [...]

Bud

November 1st, 2009
4:50 pm

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