It’s time to eliminate the “excessive celebration” rule

 

I understand that I run the risk of being called a “homer” for bringing this up. This blog is based in Atlanta, Ga. The issue I am about to raise is one that negatively impacted the University of Georgia. I attended the University of Georgia. My daughter has two degrees from the University of Georgia.

 

I get all that. But you have to realize that I’m talking about the big picture here and not the winner and loser of one football game. I am raising an issue that I believe strikes at the credibility of a game that we all love.

 

I have been covering college football as a professional journalist for 32 years and, without being too dramatic here, there is a good chance that the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.

 

First of all, the penalty did not have to be called. I was in New York working for CBS on Saturday and because I had access to the technology, I was able to watch the play about a dozen times. Based on what I saw, there is simply nothing there that even sniffs at the word “excessive.” I’ve read the rule. I know what it says. A.J. Green couldn’t raise his arms in the air towards the crowd because too many teammates were hugging him. He looked in the direction of the crowd. He had just made one of the biggest plays of his young career. I think we can understand that a sophomore in college might just be a little excited at that particular moment.

 

After the fact the officials released a statement saying that Green had made a gesture to the crowd that brought attention to himself. If that happened then a press box full of trained observers and a crowd of over 90,000 all missed it. I asked Georgia coach Mark Richt on Sunday if he was aware of anything Green did, perhaps off-camera, that would have warranted the penalty. He said no but he also said that he had not asked Green directly about it. But if nobody saw it but the official on the play, how in the world can it be excessive?

And, for the purposes of this discussion, I’m not going to get into the other two excessive celebration calls other than to say this. The one on LSU’s Charles Scott, which came after he briefly raised his arms to the sky (exactly two seconds because I counted) after the winning touchdown, probably had to be called given the bad call on A.J. Green. And I’ll give the officials the benefit of the doubt on the Orson Charles call, although I thought Charles was trying to get the crowd fired up and not bringing attention to himself.

 

Here is the problem. It is clear that the officials are given very little, if no, discretion on this call. If a player does any gesture other than celebrating directly with his teammates, the officials feel compelled to call it. And if they don’t, they risk reprimand or even suspension.

 

I just feel the rule, which was created with the best of intentions, has morphed into something that is now hurting the game. It is called so inconsistently. Earlier this year a Florida player was flagged after a quarterback sack for simply rolling his hands like a traveling call in basketball. A little while later a Tennessee player sacked the quarterback and did several chest bumps. Nothing was called. In my opinion neither should have been called. The official on the play just tells the young man to cool it and get back to his teammates. No harm, no foul.

 

One of two things has to happen for the good of the game: My suggestion is to eliminate the rule entirely because it has become clear to me that it can’t be enforced on a consistent basis. Excessive celebration is too much in the eye of the beholder. Replace it with a taunting rule. Taunting is more clearly defined than excessive celebration.

 

Until then every supervisor of officials in the country needs to tell his guys: Let’s back off. We need to adjust the sensitivity meter on this thing. Let’s save this penalty for the most egregious violations. That isn’t hard. We know what they are.

 

 When Georgia stormed the field en masse in Jacksonville in 2007, now THAT’s excessive celebration. When a player running to the end zone takes off from the five-yard line and dives in with no defenders around, that’s excessive. When a player throat slashes with his thumb, that’s excessive.

 

When, after a great game like Georgia-LSU, Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson have to admit that the biggest play of the game was a penalty that (in my opinion) didn’t have to be called, then the rules, which are supposed to work to the good of the game, have instead worked to the detriment of the game.

 

Somebody made the argument to me yesterday and we have to put up with a bad excessive celebration call from time to time because the greater good of the game is well served by the rule. I don’t accept that. I think there is a way to keep sportsmanship in the game without totally eliminating the passion of the players, which is something that we all enjoy and, quite frankly, makes the college game much better than the pro game.

You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.

It’s time to put some common sense back into the excessive celebration rule.  It if we can’t do that, then it needs to be eliminated.

 

 Please follow me on Twitter:

http://twitter.com/MrCFB

669 comments Add your comment

Not Disappointed

October 5th, 2009
8:57 am

Yeah, the calls are becoming a joke. I’m a Jacket fan, but believe the pups were Cheated the other day on the bad call.

Ramblin Wreck!

Not Disappointed

October 5th, 2009
8:59 am

Wow, I was first? “Who Knew?” Get it together pups and jackets. Tenn has someting to prove and so do the Seminoles!

Go Jackets!

Dawg Fud

October 5th, 2009
9:05 am

I thought the call was terrible. It did impact the outcome of the game.

But credit LSU for coming down the field and scoring. They won, we lost. It stinks but sometimes life ain’t fair.

GO DAWGS!

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 5th, 2009
9:07 am

Blame Richt, it all goes back to the UF Thuga dance. haha.

You know it’s Oct., the fleabags are talking “wait till next year”, and “Fire Richt”….too funny.

Herschel Talker

October 5th, 2009
9:07 am

“You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.”

Tony – this is an outstanding blog entry, but this statement is BS. Perhaps it will get them to channel their enthusiam in more productive ways that can lead to better and more disciplined play. If anything, this team could use some forced discipline in the penalty area, as it seems Richt has no ability to control it on his own.

drb

October 5th, 2009
9:08 am

Enter your comments here
It’s a crying shame. Two teams play their hearts out, and a overzealous official determines the outcome of the game.

Saint Simons

October 5th, 2009
9:08 am

20 – 13 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

buck

October 5th, 2009
9:09 am

Tony…yes you are a homer….you failed to mention that the best team won….LSU.

LSU was able to overcome the poor excessive celebration call on Scott…where as Jawga did not man up….plain and simple….

Herschel Talker

October 5th, 2009
9:09 am

RAMBLE ON!!! –

For once, we are in agreement. Richt lost control of the team there. The short-term gain has been offset by much long-term pain. I’m sure teams coached by TUrban Meyer, Nick Satan, and Paul Johnson would not be having these problems.

RedKneckerson

October 5th, 2009
9:09 am

This was karma. I htink the refs knew that UGA was living by the skin of their teeth. They knew they had to balance out the W-L record, and this was a way to do it. There is no way they were going to let UGA possibly back into the SECCG.Now UGA will be just a middle of the pack team in the SEC east.

38-3

October 5th, 2009
9:10 am

Ramble ON!!! still waiting on those chick fil a rings you MORON.

What’s too funny is seeing your insects get smacked around by Miami 2 weeks ago. I see still not ready for “pime time”. Keep dreaming!

Sam Houston

October 5th, 2009
9:10 am

The call was bad, but the reason Ga lost the game was they could not stop LSU when they had to.

G Force

October 5th, 2009
9:12 am

I’m not a Dawg fan, and I don’t want to see imitators of Ochocinco and TO in college football, but that was a bad call on AJ Green.

skydawg

October 5th, 2009
9:12 am

Mr. Barnhart,

You nailed it. The “excessive” celebration of AJ Green should have been a perfect no-call. The play came in the closing minutes of the game in front of the CBS Television audience which totals up in the millions, and in front of 96,000 screaming fans. Plus it was a go-ahead touchdown. A big moment to say the least. Celebrating with your team for a couple seconds should not cost you the game. Problem is, the officials stepped in after the fact and altered the course of history because they believed they saw something egregious. I have watched the play a number of times myself, and the fact of the matter is the officials were wrong.

Tony, keep up the great work. You’re one of the best in the business.

David Askew

October 5th, 2009
9:12 am

During the Miami game there were at least two touchdowns scored and the player ran out of the end zone, faced the crowd and beat his chest and there was not a celebration penalty called. The call against AJ Green was the worst I have ever seen!

1L

October 5th, 2009
9:13 am

Did anyone else realize this is the second game this season UGA has been the poster child for officials calling the game too stringently? OK State and the hits that were too hard? if you notice, that penalty has not been called as much the rest of the season.

As to the LSU game, let the kids play ball. remember the icky shuffle, the dirty bird, etc? what if the excessive celebration rule were in effect then as it is now? none of those dances would exist!

Football is supposed to be fun, let people have fun. the crowd enjoys TD celebrations. If you want to regulate players celbrating like a fool after a sack, etc. go for it, but when you put points on the board, CELEBRATE!

Bear B

October 5th, 2009
9:13 am

The last time I heard so much whining from UGA fans was when you guys lost in the CWS and blamed ESPN for favoritisim…..You are lucky that Les was coaching LSU as it should have been 24 – 0 at halftime..in favor of LSU…..UGA had 1 1st down in the 1st half….Get real….. the penalty of excessive celebration…not to mention the additional bonehead penalty on the same kick-off just prolonged the inevitable……LSU beat you.

Gatorzone

October 5th, 2009
9:13 am

Bad call. What happened to enjoying the excitement of the game? I agree completely with Tony and Verne and Gary. This is going to push college football to be a boring Belicheck type of reaction after a HUGE touchdown. The excitement and passion is why it is such a great sport!!

Marta Evangelist

October 5th, 2009
9:13 am

I understand why a fan of the Bulldogs would want this penalty removed from the books. Why not just get rid of EVERY penalty Tony…then Georgia would win almost every game. The simple fact is, Georgia is the most undisciplined team in the country. Under Richt, they are a “me-first” group of individuals, so they will continue to get flagged because this is how they are expected to behave. This coaching staff has always looked at this kind of behavior with a knowing nod and a wink.

GatorG

October 5th, 2009
9:13 am

Tony, your general point is good. But, the emotion you’re putting into it (The worst call you’ve seen in 30 years? Give me a break!) makes you a homer. You should have waited a few days, calmed down, and then written this article without the emotional Bulldawg slant.

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

Watched every second of the game and those calls at the end were definitely bogus. The UF call Tony mentions definitely impacted that game, but it was in the 2nd or 3rd quarter so it was easy to recover from. Obviously calls made at the end like that are more deflating.

That said though, the game still had to be played and I thought the long return by Holliday was the nail in the coffin. You just can’t give that up in that situation. Holliday caught it at the 15 (pretty good kick) and brought it out to the 48 (then tack on the formation penalty). After the second call, I believe it was Boykin who caught it on the 25 (poor kick by LSU) and only got it to the 32.

It reminded me a lot about a UF-FSU game from the beginning of the decade where the refs really impacted the outcome, however, at the end of the day, UF gave up a 40+ yd pass play in the final minutes which ended the game. That loss hurt, and I really want to blame the refs for the whole thing, but deep down I know that the Gator D had the let down that ultimately gave FSU the victory. Bad refs or not, you can’t give up big plays that you know are coming and will ultimately hurt you.

Not saying how UGA fans should feel after this game, cause it’s not my place, just my 2 cents…

No BcS

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

Absolutely on the mark. This celebration penalty has become a joke. I was on the opposite side of the field so I can’t comment on what Green did, but when the LSU player scored the game ending TD, he absolutely taunted the Georgia crowd and should have been flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. I don’t want to start seeing players pull Sharpies out of their socks to sign the football after scoring…or doing some bonehead acrobatics in the endzone, but cut the kids some slack. You’re down the whole game and score what you believe is the game winning touchdown…who wouldn’t get excited? I couldn’t help but remember the Washington player last year who scored and then threw the football up in the air in his excitement…and was flagged…which I believe cost them the game. Cut out the B.S. but let the boys play!

Paul H

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

NEITHER team should have been called for celebration. I absolutely HATE it when refs take the ball away from the players and in to their own hands, DESPITE who I’m rooting for. The penalty needs to be ELIMINATED NOW.

Whine and Cheese

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

Homer.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger group of cry babies than the fans of UGA. My God, do you think Charles Scott wouldn’t have scored that last touchdown if he had to run 15 more yards? Would he have just fell over and collapsed from exhaustion for having to run 45 more feet?

How about manning up and making a tackle when it matters? How about falling somewhere in, oh say, the bottom 100 of least penalized teams rather than 115th out of 120? How about scoring a point some time in the first 45 minutes of play? How about whipping somebodys butt on the OL and actually have some impersonation of a running game?

Jesse Jackson

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

I agree with Tim Brando on this one, why do the SEC refs call it more than any other conference.

Take a look at this picture from the Washington – Notre Dame game, where’s the flag on that one?

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/b9edfe30-447c-405b-9565-98593ab025f8.jpg

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
9:14 am

Perhaps it was a bad call but if so then so was the one on Scott. Nevertheless it didn’t cost the Dawgs the game as some fans claim. UGA didn’t cover the kickoff and LSU did when both had to kick off from the 15.

LSU made the plays at the end while the Dawgs didn’t. Those things happen.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

D-MAN

October 5th, 2009
9:15 am

Tony, I totally agree with you on this..I was staring at my tv in total disgust for about 5 mins after this stupid call. It was totally uncalled for and I agree, had a negative impact on the rest of the game. On another front, I have to say, it is time to give Joe Cox a rest. The season is over for the Dawgs. There will no doubt be another loss or three (Florida for sure, Auburn? GT? ), and the Dawgs really have nothing to play for. Sooo, it is time to prepare the next QB for next year. As sad as I am to say it, lets look to next year by getting the new guy prepped with good playing time and Richt should definitely be looking at his list of potential offensive and defensive coordinators. It’s time to shake up the system and do whats right for the team and the fans and forget this loyality issue that haunts Richt and his team. Special teams also needs help. So, Richt do the SMART thing, call the season what it is: OVER. The Dawgs pretty much failed every expectation. So, coach..do the RIGHT thing and get this team turned around for NEXT year…NOW. Am I right on this Dawg fans?

Desert Dawg

October 5th, 2009
9:15 am

Can UGA with hold payment to the ref that threw that flag? I know I would not pay a dime to someone that dumb and unaware of the situation. Also, can UGA request that ref never officiate a game in Athens ever again?

dawgday

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

Thanks TB. It needed to be said after the Washington/BYU debacle last year and it needed to be said today. Hopefully the NCAA will use some common sense and do something about this issue. Unfortunately, we aren’t Nortre Dame/USC or OSU or it would be front and center, judge and jury on sportscenter.

As a college football fan I appreciate this article. Hope it gets fixed.

Tony Is An Excessive Homer

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

Fine, change the rule. But, until it is changed, abide by the rule. And to clarify, Georgia did not lose the game because of that one call. Georgia was dominated by LSU for most of the game, and Georgia lost because they could not make a play when they had to and LSU could. Following the penalty against Green, Georgia could not make a tackle to keep the LSU kick returner from crossing midfield. In addition, Georgia compounded the poor tackling on the kick return with a penalty. Georgia could not make a tackle to keep Scott from scoring. Georgia had the same situation after LSU scored and was called for excessive celebration. Georgia could not return the kick as well as LSU did. Georgia could not produce a score as LSU did, instead Cox threw an interception. So, until the rule is changed, abide by it and do not whine or make excuses.

Homer

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

I can tell Barnhart couldn’t sleep after this one. The pathetic tackling cost UGA the game.

Paul H

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

Nonetheless, the Dogs failed in so many ways from poor coaching, offense, special teams, that it’s hard to pin the whole game on one celebration call. Kudos to the defense for playing tough, junkyard ball 2 weeks in a row.

Nicky

October 5th, 2009
9:17 am

This all stems from CMR allowing the UGA players to do that “thug” celebration against UF…..bad karma…refs looking closely at UGA….take your pick….If UGA had more than 1st down in the 1st half..maybe it would have been a different story.

JayRoot

October 5th, 2009
9:19 am

.

NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO SEE!!!!

.After running to the middle of the endzone to celebrate with teamates this super-inflated egotistical , wanna-be diva walked back to the back of the endzone and stood for a second(a second is all it takes) in a “look at me” posture.

If this WR had continued on his way back to the Ugag sidelines without stopping or going to the back of the endzone there would have been no penalty.

We all want to see more of this!! I applaud the officials for trying to put a stop to this endzone self-promoting.

DO WHATEVER YOU WANT … on the sidelines but, GET THE HELL OFF THE FIELD AFTER SCORING … MORONS!!!

.

Nativebird

October 5th, 2009
9:19 am

Consistency of application is indeed the problem, as is to a lesser extent, say, Pass Interference. In BOTH cases, it’s time to consider having these “judgement” calls, subject to INSTANT REPLAY as well in the booth. Let the ref’s brethren in the booth have a look-see when it is close and too fast and too instant to really make a sound judgement. I say don’t eliminate this rule designed to do what it’s done for the most part, reduce THUGGERY in the game, let’s be honest. Consistency is indeed the issue.

Steve

October 5th, 2009
9:20 am

Tony, Georgia played poorly and lost. You can debate one call all you want, but when the game was on the line, LSU came out and delivered. Please give their players some credit.

Tom

October 5th, 2009
9:20 am

Bad call, definitely. Mind you, I doubt Charles Scott would’ve magically tripped at the 15 yard line had it NOT been called, but it was still terrible.

Nicky

October 5th, 2009
9:21 am

No BcS….when Scott from LSU scored the winning touchdown he pointed to the sky/heaven thanking his Lord and Saviour…he did not taunt any uga fans as you presume….there are not uga fans in heaven based upon this whining…..

Felix the Cat

October 5th, 2009
9:21 am

Bad call Bad call bad call. However the better team won the game. As a dawg fan I know we can play better and maybe this year we play the role of spoiler.. Auburn, Florida , Honey bees, I would be afraid. VERY AFRAID

Dawgaholic

October 5th, 2009
9:22 am

The tech fans that come over here are sooo stupid cause they have nooo idea that come the end of this season when uga comes to south west dekalb , i mean bobby dodd that they are getting waxed by our so called badly coached teams and ultimately BREAK the hearts of you jackassses Again…BOOK IT

BILLY JACK

October 5th, 2009
9:23 am

Tony-you are exactly right but it is not just this game it is nationwide.Officials want to be in the middle of the game and get noticed and the SEC officials are the worst in the nation.The unwritten rule in the NBA is you dont call stupid fouls under a minute.The LSU-GORGIA game was evenly fought game for 59 minutes and some jackass makes a call like that.I am not saying that is the only reason we lost but it was devastating nevertheless.You techies that think Green pushed off, you clearly dont know anything about football.I am watching the replay and he outjumped the guy and never touched the DB.You need to be at a Georgia game and see how DB’S pull at his jersey constantly and very few interference calls go against the DB.The call was one of the worst in college football history but we could of still lost on the FG attempt because we have the worst kickoff coverage team in the United States.Fabris coaches this team and should resign before noon today.They have been awful for 3 years.Every def coach but Garner should be replaced.If these things are not corrected we will be playing in a bowl game on a tuesday on like dec 16 in the afternoon like tech usually does.Everything I have stated are the facts and they are undisputed.

ohio state

October 5th, 2009
9:24 am

The flag on LSU was just as bad. where is the outrage for that one?

[...] the only cause of UGA’s defeat.2.  Tony Barnhart of The AJC writes that it’s time to do away with the “excessive celebration” rule.  And he’s correct.  I’m no fan of showboating, but players should be allowed to [...]

Elvis

October 5th, 2009
9:24 am

Go back and look at some college games from the 60’s and 70’s. Nobody played to the crowd. The bum who started it all was Mark Gastineau from the New York Jets.

Hey Dogtards

October 5th, 2009
9:25 am

uog would get the benefit of the doubt if they weren’t always playing like a bunch of classless thugs. One of the most penalized teams in the country = don’t get much leeway on calls like these.

Eric

October 5th, 2009
9:25 am

Lousy call for sure, but did it affect the outcome of the game? Probably not. We’ll never know. What we do know: Auburn is 5-0! WDE!!!

CTD

October 5th, 2009
9:25 am

The Refs are ALWAYS going to call it tight on the Dawgs for the celebration at Jax v Fla in 07. Every crew wants to send UGA a message
Right or Wrong it will continue

Dawg Tired

October 5th, 2009
9:25 am

Good point Tony. AS for the fans who think this did not impact the game, you don’t understand football very well. A touchback was likely without the penalty. The defense would understand we must stop them. As it turned out, the defense could not really do anything because of the starting field postion. SO obvious. Those with no dog in the fight seem to get it: Mark May was all over this.

GT Alum

October 5th, 2009
9:26 am

It was a terrible call but you’re still a homer Tony. Always have been, always will be. But the suggestion that UGA lost on one play, per Mark Bradley’s blog on Saturday, is laughable. Georgia should have been down 3 touchdowns at the half.

Alphare

October 5th, 2009
9:26 am

Yes. It’s a bad call. But the reason Georgia lost is NOT due to that call. LSU could not kick a field after the punt return, right? why don’t Georgia man up and stop LSU from gaining any yardage, so that LSU couldn’t even kick a field goal? Instead, you missed tackle during the return, you missed tackle and tackle when LSU scored the touch-down.

Official handed the win to LSU? or Georgia couldn’t D? or Georgia fans don’t have brain?

elcubismo

October 5th, 2009
9:27 am

ummm, the bogus pass interference call against miami that helped osu win the national title was much, much worse. admittedly, both were bad. but that one call literally cost miami the title, because that was 4th down and they had just won.

GT Alum

October 5th, 2009
9:28 am

I agree with the others who’ve mentioned it- Mark Richt and UGA are still paying the price for the “panty raid” in the end zone against Florida a few years back.

pjgreiss

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

jumbeauxtiger…do you think LSU would be running an off-tackle dive play with 52 seconds left in the game, if LSU was on their own 35 instead of the Georgia 35? I don’t think so. The penalty changed the complexion of the LSU offensive mindset based on the field position afforded by Georgia having to kick from their 15 yard line. I will agree that LSU had every right to win that game, but the Dawgs got screwed by the refs and that had a direct impact on how the game ended.

BromoDawg

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

Tony…Great post. Correct me if I am wrong, but ironically, wasn’t it Vince Dooley who had the rule implemented in the first place several years ago because of all the wide receivers at Florida celebrating when Spurrier was coaching at UF? I believe he wanted players “to act like they had been there before.” Kinda like Herschel used to do when he’d simply hand the ball to the ref after going 80 yards. Still, refs need to consider the context of the situation. Throw flags for taunting not for celebrating a miracle touchdown. You score a TD with less than 2 minutes left to go ahead of the #4 team in the country at home. Who wouldn’t be excited?

dawgster

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

anyone that doesn’t think that call at that particular time of the game did not play a huge impact then you don’t know football, with that being said, the dawgs did not overcome that play and allowed lsu to make plays, maybe if the field position would have been different and lsu had to start on its side of the field, who knows, the dawgs did have the same opportunity, but lsu made the plays, after the dawgs scored the go ahead touchdown, i thought the biggest play that wasn’t made was our 2 point conversion attempt, i felt like there were some opportunities for another play there, but we seemed to have rushed into the play after all of the excitement…make that conversion and puts a little more pressure on the offense and the defense knows that only a touchdown will beat you, but lsu made the plays, the dawgs didn’t, now the biggest game possibly in the season for the dawgs is at Tenn, lose this game and your season may go in the tank…

loving every minute of it

October 5th, 2009
9:30 am

Mark Richt has no reason to say anything about an excessive celebration call. Not when he “ordered” one once upon a time. It has finally come full circle and bit the dawg on the butt. I’ for one, couldn’t be happier. haha

Rocky Top Ron

October 5th, 2009
9:30 am

You’re right Tony….we do think you are a homer….Schlabaugh too….

Denver Dog

October 5th, 2009
9:32 am

It is done now, so we can’t do anything about it. I hope it is over for a while. These ref’s have been doing this as instructed by the league. UGA lost the game becuase they couldn’t cover the kickoff, and didn’t stop Scott. Then because the couldn’t snap the ball, and find an open reciever. If these ref’s had calle the Miami Ok game they would still be playing becuase every play someone did that chest thump from Miami.

Really now lets look at UGA specail teamsl 1) missed field goal = 3 points. 2) missed extra point by UGA =2 points. 3) Made extra point by LSU =2 points. That looks like 7 points to me. Ok now add in the long return by LSU and the short return by UGA in the last minutes. DId the bad call make the difference? Who knows. Did the poor special teams play make a big difference? FOR SURE! We are going to get good calls, and we are going to get bad calls. THe only calls we need to correct are the ones made by the coaches. Those are the only ones we can do anything about!

GO DAWGS, REFS MAY HAVE HURT US,BUT THE REFS DIDN”T BEAT US

Gatorduq

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

Well you can thank Vince Dooley for this rule…. is that a delicious irony?

And if this was the worst officiating call you’ve ever seen, then you missed the Swindle in Swamp courtesy of Jack Childress and his crew.

AMEN

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

I am a UGA fan, but I have to say, I HATED the Florida State and Miami “swagger” of the 80s and 90s, and now, this is what we have at UGA. I absolutely HATE dumb football, and that’s what Richt and staff have brought and promote from Florida State – absolutely dumb football. Offside plays, personal fouls, unsportsmanlike calls, can’t line up correctly. That’s why they have the backup QB returning punts. They can’t get these idiots to even understand “don’t field the ball inside the 10 yard line.” Probably a poor call from the ref, but frankly, I’m glad he made it, and I’ll live with the consequences if they’d just do it to EVERY team and get rid of the nonsense once and for all. Give the dang ball to the ref, get off the field, and THEN celebrate with your team!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah, and do the same thing when you make a decent run or catch for a first down, or tackle a guy for a loss. That’s what you were SUPPOSED to do, anyway.

Mikey

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

Simply, Thank you Tony.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
9:36 am

Definitely a bad call no doubt about that. However, that didn’t cost us the game. What cost us the game was that weak offnse we had that first half. 49 yards total the first half? No blame on Willie, this week the defense played lights out. No help the O or ST.

Special teams failed us. Two plays come to mind. First the LSU punt from the endzone. Since Gray was going to fair catch that anyway why not bull rush those protectors for the punter and push them back into him for a possible safety or better yet a TD. Second was that last kickoff? Why do we have to kick to the fastest man on the field? I guess I don’t know the rule but where would it have been place if it were kicked OB? At the 40? If so might have been a better alternative.

Regardless, I liked the game, it was exciting SEC football, win or lose for the dawgs. They fought like the devil till the end and should hang there heads high and keep fighting through the season. Ealey looked good too. Reminds me a little of last years #24. Oh well still a lot to fight for. If we can’t win it maybe we canb at least screw it up somebody else. Go Dawgs.

Paul Bryant

October 5th, 2009
9:37 am

Throwing that penalty on Georgia at the end of the game saved CBS from having a #1 vs. #12 next week. What’s good for CBS is good for the SEC.

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
9:38 am

Denver Dog,

Excellent post. Enjoyed reading your perspective/comments. I think it’s been missed that both teams kicked off from their 15 and while Holliday took it from the 15 to the 48 (plus the formation penalty), UGA’s returner only went from the 25 to the 32.

elcubismo,

Completely agree. I think Tony’s “worst call in 30 years” line is a bit much. The non existent pass interference call against Miami in that Nat’l Title game was the worst call I’ve ever seen. Without that blunder, Miami goes for 2 straight Nat’l titles (with the side note of getting robbed of a title game appearance in 2000), and maybe the rest of the decade is different. Just saying.

T

October 5th, 2009
9:39 am

You are a Homer Tony … but I understand, you cant help it, Georgia is your alma mater, but you have whined about this for two days (you must really hate LSU) … the problem wasnt the penalty.. the problem was that Georgia then gave up a 40 yard kickoff return… then gave up a 30 something yard touchdown run… Georgia had an entire game of plays to win that game.. they lost… and will lose again this season.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
9:39 am

Oh yeah, and congrats to the Tigers. Charles Scott made one heck of a run to ice the game.

BobDawg

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

Keep in mind that if UGA wins out, they’re in the SEC Championship Game. Be constructive and write to the SEC Football Coordinator of Officiating:
Mr. Rogers Redding
SEC Coordinator of Football Officiating
Southeastern Conference
2201 Richard Arrington Blvd. North
Birmingham, AL 35203

Writing comments in a blog does nothing to change the status quo. Writing the people in charge is meaningful.

Freehawk

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

That call was bad, but not as bad as the Jake Locker call that cost UW a game a season or two ago. Then the inevitable makeup call (an SEC tradition). UGA needs to quit crying, the SEC refs take TDs away from South Carolina, not just tack on some yardage to the kickoff. There is a place for this rule, but it puts the refs in a bad position now the way it is enforced. It is weird that Coach Richt’s teams are so undisciplined, they are today’s U of Miami. Oh yeah, where did he go to school? When did UGA quit being a running program? They have no RBs. I hope Marcus Lattimore never figures that out.

One Tin Soldier Rides Away

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

Glad to see you are back Billy Jack. Denver Dog is correct above. You can have bad calls, but you can’t blame a loss on the refs. I think there is a real issue with Cox’s arm. The speed routes all day he was late on. The long pass to King, King had to come back to get, and the passes behind the recievers are from velocity, not direction. There may be nobody better right now.

If we imporve on special teams, running game, and short passes, we will win the next two. If not we will play with one foot, because we won’t have the other one for shooting ourselves there so many times.

Horrible call on the fumble by LSU in 1st qtr also

October 5th, 2009
9:43 am

Yep. That was a horrible call also on the LSU fumble at the 15 in the first qtr. Funny how no one seems to remember this or the comments from the sportscasters that it was a terrible no call and the guys in the replay booth didn’t do their job.

LSU supposedly fumbled on the 15 and the ball rolled out of bounds on the 17 costing LSU 2 crucial yards in the red zone. Replay conclusively showed that the qb’s elbow clearly touched down and a split second later his shoulder also touched down. Take your pick but the qb was down at the 15. A couple plays later LSU came up short on 4th and less than a yard. Had LSU not been cheated on those 2 yards a couple plays earlier it would have been a mute point and LSU would have had a first and goal from the 7. 95% odds from there that LSU would have scored a td or minimally a chip shot field goal. Funny how quickly dog fans forget this play.

Just cause it happened in the 1st qtr doesn’t make it any less important than the celebration penalty. Also, the celebration was a judgement call. On the fumble there was no judgement. Replay showed conclusively that LSU was cheated out of 2 crucial red zone yards.

Starring Harry Morgan as Sherman Potter

October 5th, 2009
9:44 am

It is a bad rule and needs to go.

But Georgia lost because of their play in the first half, not on one play.

Alabama Jack

October 5th, 2009
9:46 am

“Tony Is An Excessive Homer

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

Fine, change the rule. But, until it is changed, abide by the rule. And to clarify, Georgia did not lose the game because of that one call. Georgia was dominated by LSU for most of the game, and Georgia lost because they could not make a play when they had to and LSU could. Following the penalty against Green, Georgia could not make a tackle to keep the LSU kick returner from crossing midfield. In addition, Georgia compounded the poor tackling on the kick return with a penalty. Georgia could not make a tackle to keep Scott from scoring. Georgia had the same situation after LSU scored and was called for excessive celebration. Georgia could not return the kick as well as LSU did. Georgia could not produce a score as LSU did, instead Cox threw an interception. So, until the rule is changed, abide by it and do not whine or make excuses.”

ditto

Starring Harry Morgan as Sherman Potter

October 5th, 2009
9:46 am

Maybe fumbles need to go away also.

Toe Meets Leather

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

TB, I love how you try to set the stage that you’re somehow not a homer by being upfront about your UGA bona fides, etc., and then turn into the biggest UGA homer there is. The worst call in 32 years of college football???

Was it as bad as giving Colorado a 5th down against Missouri in 1990…and then handing them the AP national title above an undefeated team? Was it as bad as the supposed clipping call in the 1991 Orange Bowl when Ismail ran back that punt against the same Colorado team…again, handing over the national title on that blown call? Gimmie a break TB…U[sic]GA is again being shown that it’s not as great as it’s fans (and fans in the state media) think they are or should be and you’re upset about it. That dissatisfaction spills over when you think you’ve got a legit gripe on one bad call – a bad call that, depsite what you Muttlanders think – did not change the eventual outcome of the game. YOU GOT BEAT. Stop whining about it, learn some disipline, learn to hang onto the ball, and learn how to tackle.

http://www.stinGTees.com

DawgGirl32

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

You hit the nail on the head, Tony. Absolutely horrible call. Changed the entire game. Do I think we lost because of that one call? No. Our offense was anemic in the first half. Thank goodness our defense stepped up. And maybe the same outcome would have happened had the penalty not been called. The reality is, though, that the call changed the MOMENTUM of the game. Players are supposed to change the momentum of a football game, not the refs. And now, we’ll really never know what would have happened had that penalty not been called.

David

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

You don’t see College Basketball players getting “T’d” up every time they dunk the ball and hop around and draw attention to themselves….it doesn’t ruin college basketball, it just brings enthusiasm and excitement. Its time to change to taunting…………One thing I will note (as a UGA fan), the call does not excuse our poor kick coverage! Time to get that fixed!

Tony Barnhart

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

A couple of things:

I agree with Mark Bradley that the call did not cost Georgia the game. Georgia could have covered the ensuing kick better, not gotten a penalty, and tackled Charles Scott. Georgia had several chances to still win the game after this call was made.

This call, in my opinion, is worse than other calls (like the pass interference in Miami-Ohio State) because it involves the excessive celebration rule, which is so subjective. It’s worse than calling a pass interference that wasn’t there or a holding call that didn’t happen. Those are football plays and people just miss those. This is different because you get into the areas of intent and attitude.

The game was negatively impacted not by a football play, but by the perceived attitude of a player. That makes it different and, to me, a worse call. Just one man’s opinion.

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

dawgster, you’re not going to have to worry about it. Scoor 10 points and you’ll when the game. We have no qb and have some of the sorriest receivers I’ve ever seen on the hill. We cannot generate enough offense to win many games this season.

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:48 am

“score”-typo on post above

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:49 am

Once again, Thanks Fulmer for leaving the cupboard bare for the new regime.

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 5th, 2009
9:50 am

Keep sticking up for your beloved dawwwwwgs Tony Jabroni..

The reason the mutts lost is because their DEFENSE SUCKS !

Whine and Cheese is an idiot

October 5th, 2009
9:51 am

Your comment shows you know nothing about football – you said “My God, do you think Charles Scott wouldn’t have scored that last touchdown if he had to run 15 more yards? Would he have just fell over and collapsed from exhaustion for having to run 45 more feet?” – If GA was not penalized and kicked off from the normal ko spot – and the same run etc happened -= LSU would have been on about the 35 or 40 yard line with only 1 minute left – to get in to field goal range they would have needed a minimum of 40 yards – maybe 50 – in this case LSU would have had to pass down the field instead of run (instead they only needed 10 yards to get into field goal range) – so they run – instead of pass – simple football you dufus!

Ray M.

October 5th, 2009
9:53 am

Tony I agree the rule needs to be changed to allow for spontaneous, unscripted celebration that does not taunt an opponent or the crowd. I agree that neither the call on Green nor the one on Scott should have been called.

Where we part company is the statement that it affected the outcome of the game. That is a crock. Both teams had the same 15 yard penalty called against them in the final 1:10.

After the penalty one team failed to line up properly was accessed a 5 yard penalty added to the end of a return, failed to kick the ball deep, failed to cover the kick well nor tackle well on the return and failed to tackle a RB on a 33 yard run that he may have scored from 80 on.

The other team after the exact same 15 yard penalty, kicked the ball deep, covered the kick well, tackled the return guy at 33 yard line, forced a long down and distance and pressured the QB and made an interception.

How each team RESPONDED to the bad call determined the outcome of the game. Not the bad call itself.

Gen Neyland

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Yes, TB. The timing of this article does paint you as a homer. You should have written it 300 other NCAA Excessive Celebration flags ago…

Stumpy's Bear

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Tony,
I’m one of your biggest fans and constantly overlook your Georgia favoritism because I love the insider information and respect for tradition and bigger picture legacy that you bring to your work. The call was bad, but you’re being a little dramatic aren’t you? “You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.” C’mon, Georgia is sitting exactly where it belongs, they’ve won the games they should have and lost the ones they should have. Georgia isn’t entitled to 10 wins every season, you have to accept that.

Aeschulys

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Of course the call affected the outcome: noan it was not THE sole, deciding factor–but affected the outcome nonetheless. Football is a game of momentum like few others. UGA’s brief stand atop the scoreboard had tremendous momentum–albeit the call set them up in a firedrill situation in which the kickoff return team (already tenuous) was in a big hole. Then the defense is still in that “scramble” mindset when they take the field. And like many times in college football, one big play moves that important momentum to the other team. LSU capitalized. Both teams played a great defensive game.

And no this season isn’t “done” for GA.
I saw nothing that would indicate that. They have their problems (LSU doesn’t?), however the Dawgs have been tried in almost every sort of fire. I see no “quit” in them. At least they’ve won a couple of tough conference games thus far…

Georgia game

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

LSU dominated the game and deserved to win. Also, if Georgia really deserved to win then why didn’t they just tackle Holliday and or Scott rather than let both of them make big plays. Finally, I just don’t get it. What does the whole thing matter if Scott took it the distance anyway. That db would have tackled him 5-8 yards deep into the end zone. If LSU hadn’t gotten the benefit of 15 gift yards they still would have had a first and goal from the 5-10 yard line. They would have just melted away the clock and kicked a chip shot field goal for the win anyway. What is all the whining about? The better team simply won.

Bad ko coverage

October 5th, 2009
9:55 am

Yes our Kickoff coverage is terrible and all but the last kick the goal was to kick it as far as you can – so there was no air put under the ball – causing the kicker to outkick his coverage – giving C.S. better running lanes and thus the longer run back – I think a squib kick to the 30 yard line would have been a better call than to out kick your coverage?

Milli vegasmu

October 5th, 2009
9:56 am

These refs that make these calls need to be fined, suspended, or even fired. You don’t make that call at the end of a huge SEC game period. That call was BULL $HIT, BULL $HIT, BULL $HIT.

JB

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

WE lost the game in the last 2-3 minutes…………….although not 100 % the reason, it sure as hell hurt….Who’s to say what happens with a minute or so to go with them starting at THEIR 25 rather than our 38 ? interception? Fumble? time runs out ? The call was a no call……..Tebow has done FAR WORSE and NEVER been flagged. I swear, I think the thing in 2007 in Florida is still causing us grief. That was a no call.

morgwreck243

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

I’m a Tech man and an LSU fan by marriage and I was at the game sitting in Section 302, which is directly above where AJ Green had his “excessive celebration.” There wasn’t one. I’m happy that LSU won, but I do agree that it was a bad call.

I think a good compromise on the rule is to institute a “hockey” application: within the last 2 minutes you just don’t call the excessive celebration unless it is something like what Terrell Owens does.

Exscuse makers-Insert whining and excuse here

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

Bunch of sore losers. Tackle Holliday and or Scott and you win the game. Guess its more fun to make excuses about losing a game in which you were absolutely dominated in.

GW

October 5th, 2009
9:58 am

LSU’s #7 taunted the Georgia sideline everytime he successfully defended a pass on that side of the field. Either it was not seen by the officials or ignored. On TDs, why not quickly put the ball on the extra point line and whistle the play clock to start instead of standing around watching the celebration? If a team violates the play clock on the PAT make it a 15 yard penalty rather than a 5 yard delay of game. I think players and coaches would then train themselves to hurry off the field.

Mark

October 5th, 2009
9:58 am

I usually don’t post on these blogs, but had one observation after watching the CSS replay of the game. Buck Belue did not make a comment about the penalty being bad until LSU ran the kickoff back and got into field goal position. If UGA had stopped LSU at say the 35 yard line on the kickoff and LSU had lost the game, would there still be as big an uproar as there is today?

Tech Man in Dawg Country

October 5th, 2009
9:59 am

Tony, I agree with everything you said except that it was the worst officiating mistake in the three decades. I even posted immediately after the game how the officials messed up. But “the single worst officiating mistake…in my three decades of covering the sport” ??? Surely the famous Colorado 5 down play must be worse. The Colorado not only directly affected the game, but ultimately the national championship. As a Tech man, I realize that I might not be totally objective, but I don’t see this call on that magnitude. Even the officiating in this years Tech game against NC was probably worse, were they didn’t stop the clock after a first down towards the end of the half. These are not even judgement calls, they are just officiating errors. So while I agree that UGA got the shaft, I think you over exaggerated a little. Agree? And yes, it does make you sound a little like Adams comming out against the BCS so strongly a few years ago when UGA didn’t get invited to the title game when they didn’t even when their division, much less the conference.

gatorrashad

October 5th, 2009
10:01 am

All the teams and coaches and fans need to band together on this one cus this rule is a absolute joke….it hurts the spirit of the game

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
10:03 am

Tony,

Gotta disagree.

“This call, in my opinion, is worse than other calls (like the pass interference in Miami-Ohio State) because it involves the excessive celebration rule, which is so subjective. It’s worse than calling a pass interference that wasn’t there or a holding call that didn’t happen. Those are football plays and people just miss those.”

I don’t think you can ‘miss’ pass interference that didn’t happen. Pass interference is just as subjective in many instances. If you watch the replays, you can tell there was no pass interference against Miami, but the ref perceived it and called it. On the Green replays, you can tell that he was trying to pull away from his teammates and ‘mean-mug’ for the crowd, and while I didn’t think it should be called, the ref perceived it and threw the flag. Similar to other plays (not all in this game) where non-UGA fans think Green pushes off to get catches, but refs don’t think it happened.

I don’t think the argument is that Green didn’t do anything at all, I think most people’s feeling is that it wasn’t egregious enough to warrant a call at that stage of the game. To me that’s just as subjective as many of the other ‘non-reviewable’ calls that refs make.

blazer

October 5th, 2009
10:04 am

Enter your comments here
WONDER IF THEY TACKLE SCOTT BEHIND THE LINE AND WON -WOULD THE PENALTY

HAVE MATTERED SO MUCH-DIDN’T CALL GREENE FOR PUSHING OFF EVER?

JaxDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:05 am

Saturdays game in Athens, GA on Saturday was an old fashioned, tough game against SEC rivals. But the outcome was not made by the players on the field. A.J. Green was flagged for excessive celebration for drawing attention to himself on a touchdown catch to put Georgia up with a minute to go. Well, one other person drew attention to himself after that play too his name in Michael Watson. Michael Watson was the back judge on the SEC officiating crew during the game. Congratulations Michael Watson. By drawing attention to yourself, a great football was marred by an officials judgment instead of the play on the field.

Celebrate

October 5th, 2009
10:05 am

For all of you who blindly bash UGA and call them whiners,etc… The call was BAD, it changed the game, would LSU had won without the penalty? We will never know, because some over zealous SEC official decided that he saw something excessive; hell those idiots that issued the statement can’t even say what he did. Was it raising his arms as he left the field? Was it looking at the crowd in the back of the end zone? What was the act that drew attention to himself? This is a problem with a lot of officials if they think it happened they call it. Let’s go back to the Clemson vs GATech game this year; Clemson completes along pass late in the game that is called back for holding. The announcer immediately said I think they missed that that lineman simply got shoved to the ground with a good block, umpire assumed that it had to be holding; reverse angle replay showed good block no holding. Clemson did not score, game changed, sure thay had another chance but lost out on a good chance to win by a “bogus” holding call that he obviously “thought” he saw. Bottom line to all officials “If you don’t see it don’t call it, and if you do see it you had better be able to expalin it better than “He made a gesture to draw attention to himself”

Jimmy62

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

Tech fan here. That was a horrible call. The Dawgs deserved the chance to win that game on defense, but the refs decided to give LSU a field goal. LSU turned it in to a touchdown, but either way, the refs won it for them.

But no, not the worst call in three decades. Just another in a long line of bad calls by refs doing their best to keep up with silly rules that hurt the game. Why is pointing at your fans after you make a big play a bad thing? Hell, if he wants to keep a sharpie in the goalpost pads and sign the ball, I’m cool with that.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

I agree with you TONY….and ANYONE who wants to argue that that call didn’t DETERMINE the oucome of the game IS AN IDIOT with a Techie or LSU agenda.

Go across the country: Vern Lundquist, Gary Danielson, Tom Brando, Spencer Tillman, Jason Horowitz, Reece Davis, Mark May, Lou Holtz, and just about everyone else said that the “penalty” cost UGA the game

College gameday final on ESPN spent 5 minutes talking about how it “directly cost UGA the game”

Right now there are wrap up videos on CBS.com from Danilesoon & Lundquist and Brando and Tillman where the whole conversation is how UGA had the game taken from them by the REFs

Look I hate to look like excuse makers BUT come on you have to call a Spade a Spade

That “penalty” NEVER actually happened AND it DIRECTLY COST UGA THE GAME

azdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

TB is right. The excess cele rule is much too subjective and can affect the outcome of a game as it did w/GA this npast w/e. On the other hand, the call had nothing to do w/allowing LSU to return the ensuing KO 50 yds nor allowing the LSU RB bounce off 4-5 would be tacklers for the winning TD.

Poor tackling, poor and nonsensical special treams play, mediocre play calling mostly in the first 1/2, giving up too much yardage gets the D tired, all chronic issues (and its only a taste of the problems UGA has)that have gone uncorrected for the past several seasons w/basically no changes to coaching personnel. GA deserves its fate because the powers will not take action to force change. GA’s current coordinators and assistants would not get hired by Div 1A schools based on their performance to date. The reason the Pete Carrol’s lose their coordinators to other schools is because they are talented and have great potential. W/few exceptions, No one is beating down the doors at UGA for their coord’s. This current staff has sunken into mediocrity and refused to change schemes because they do not fear being replaced. Like one blogger said, Saban would replace his secretary if she didn’t perform.

UGA is going to lose much more than games and fans if there are no changes to its staff. It’ll lose money because thats the only thing it understands. As long as the revenus stream continues to come in they won’t do a thing. I don’t know what made the powers at AL, FL, TN,AU, MSU, et al finally decide to make the changes they did to make their schools winning programs but I bet it had something to do w/the fan base getting fed up and yes, a downward spiral of revenue from TV and alumni. Its all about the $$$$.

Nicky

October 5th, 2009
10:07 am

QUIT CRYING…..GET READY FOR UT…OR THE DOGS WILL GET SPANKED AGAIN………………………………………………………………………………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom

October 5th, 2009
10:09 am

Enter your comments here The SEC office defends the call but, there were several ACTS after tackles, etc thet were not called..It is time the SEC quits defending the bad calls and let these guys call Pee Wee games on Sat. until they learn. Case in point when the Umpire hit an LSU player with a forearm (in the So Car game last year) nothing was done. If I did this while calling a High School game in FL I would have been put in jail for hitting a minor.It is also time for the officials to be named when they are called for failure to properly do their job.The replay officials are no better as I think they only overturned one call last in over 100 challenges. Several were show to be missed and they let them stand. so not to make the error on the call look bad to the crew.

TiredOfWillie(&Bobo)

October 5th, 2009
10:09 am

Thanks Booboo for wasting enormous talent for the entire first half against LSU. The guy a week or so ago that said you were going to be desirable and lured away from UGA because you are an offensive genius…..well, you did a magnificent job of proving him wrong. Way to go. Just stay friends with Richt, pray hard and you’ll have a cush job like a weatherman. Just be right 25-45 % of the time. We’ll suck and you’ll be safe.

Denver Dog

October 5th, 2009
10:10 am

Execute, Execute, Execute. Block, tackle, cover, run. That is what wins or loses game. Was it unfair, yes, Was the call on LSU unfair. yes. The difference, they covered, they exceuted the 2 point play, and they stopped ours. Swap those around, and we win. So don’t blame the refs, There may be a conspiracy to get CMR because of that celebration, but there is no conspiricay keeps the players from excecuting assignments, and for coaches making bad calls and strategies.

ATLDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:10 am

I think it is funny how the majority of bloggers that are not Dawg fans are saying it was a bad call except for the giddy Jacket fans. The difference in the Excessive Celebration calls were the fact that LSU was left with plenty of time to drive the field and only needed field goal to win and was actually excessive celebration by Scott. GA got the ball with 40 seconds, no timeouts, & needed to score 7 pts to tie. I haven’t heard anybody including Jacket fans feel it was actually Excessive Celebration by Green. So I don’t think the two penalties are a wash as claimed above.

NC Dawg

October 5th, 2009
10:12 am

Great article, Tony! This must be addressed and changed next year!! Let the players show a little excitement. If something isn’t done soon, the fans will start being flagged for excessive celebration.

Randy

October 5th, 2009
10:18 am

Serves UGA right. Vince Dooley was chairman of the NCAA rules committee in the 80’s that advocated and passed the celebration rule to begin with. Karma’s funny sometimes.

gatorhead1013

October 5th, 2009
10:18 am

Email this to the league office.

gatorherb

October 5th, 2009
10:19 am

Enter your comments here Common Sense , it works if you have any.

Logical Call

October 5th, 2009
10:20 am

I agree the call should be repealed but as long as the rule is intact the celebration against UGA is justified. Anytime you have a coach that has a history of celebration abuse (see UF game) then anytime one of his players begins to show too much emotion the refs feel pressured to throw the flag to ensure the whole squad does not take the field. The total unsportsmanlike call from that UF game should haunt UGA for years and make them regret the total lack of respect to the game that instance created. Richt as a Christian is simply a joke and a mockery! No truly understanding Christian would have attempted to show up others…Period!

Bryan

October 5th, 2009
10:21 am

The call was correct. Quit making excuses crybabies. LSU LSU LSU LSU!!

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:21 am

coach smith – Nice. Isn’t that the same media that is consistently bashed for:

1. Being in love with Tebow
2. screwing the Dawgs out of a title in 07
3. constantly propping up USCw
4. Stopping the chance of any UGA success anytime they possibly can because we’re the most elite program in the country if not for the media

How is it that now ESPN and “the media” are no longer the enemy? Self-serving interest maybe?

McDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:22 am

the worst call i think i ever saw was the phantom Jasper Sanks fumble against Tech at the goal line-this was the 2nd worse

#7 on LSU was taunting and running his mouth after every single play-why is that acceptable behavior and what Green did (or rather didn’t do) was not-there needs to be some accountability-the call on Scott was pathetic as well

Techfan53

October 5th, 2009
10:23 am

First and foremost, the excessive celebration penalty DID NOT affect the outcome of the game. Georgia not being able to stop LSU’s Charles Scott ALL day and Georgia not able to get in to the endzone had more to do with the loss. While I can certainly understand a 20 year old being excited about making a big play, do we want to see the game we love dumb down to the current NFL level of tauting and juking and ball slaming we see? A running back should just give the ball back to the referee. Make it look like you have been there before. The best I ever saw at this was Hershel Walker.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:23 am

On another subject

Since every media outlet in the country is saying that an end of the game “penalty” cost UGA the game

AND

the game came down to the last few seconds….

Why in the world did UGA fall from #14 (in the coach’s poll) to Unranked?

What in the world? For a bogus loss at the end of a game against the #4 team?

Yet Oklahoma who is 2-2 and lost against their 2 real oppnents are still #19??????????

this is why the polls are a joke. If UGA had held on and won 13-12 they would be ranked between 7-10 yet with a last second loss they fall to unranked….what a joke

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:24 am

Mutt Nonsense

you are making my point for me about HOW BAD the call was

Holtz, May and other NEVER side with UGA….NEVER

The fact that they are shows how HORRIBLE the call actually is

Howie

October 5th, 2009
10:25 am

You can’t say it cost them the game. That is bs. You can say it beenfited LSU. But guess what. LSU had the same call thrown on them. They did better with special teams. Blame your kickoff for not lining up right. All lsu needed was a field goal. They didn’t need the TD. SO to assume that one call cost you the game is excuse making at it’s worst. Try getting more than 1 first down in one half next time. Funny how Tony doesn’t mention stuff like that.

GWH Rich

October 5th, 2009
10:26 am

Yes, perhaps it was a bad call, but UGA had plays where if their kicking unit and defense had stopped LSU, no one would be even talking about the call today. The way Scott ran the ball on the TD that nailed the game, and the way UGA was attempting to tackle him, it didn’t matter that LSU got extra yardage on the kickoff.

Catch the Sports Buffet tonight and each Monday night at 9:00 PM ET, brought to you by Georgia Wrestling History and the GWH Radio Network. If you are unable to listen live, give us a call at (347) 324-5735 between 9-10. We’d love to hear some of your thoughts and comments.

bware

October 5th, 2009
10:26 am

Enter your comments here
UGA lost the game because of poor coaching not officiating. I am a long time UGA fan and sick and tired of bad play calling and simple coaching mistakes. No one has mentioned the reason why Richt chose the wrong end zone to defend in the second half. I sit in section 319 (dead center of the closed endzone goal posts) and the wind was blowing dead in our face the whole game. Makes absolutly no sense that we would not choose to have the wind at our back in the 4th qtr. Simple decisions like this Richt and his coaching staff dont get. You have the penalty and kicking off from the 15 yard line might have been able to kick it deeper with the wind at your back instead we choose to go against the wind and have no chance of kicking it deep into the wind. Simple desicions like this make no sense and the coaching staff should be questioned not the officiating!!!

Ron

October 5th, 2009
10:27 am

Whining ga fans. Gotta love it. What a bunch of loser excuse making crybabies. Tony is your voice.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:27 am

coach smith – Weren’t these the same polls used to explain away the first loss? (”It’s ok, it’s to a top-5 team in the country”)

We all know they’re a joke, but be consistent.

dogfan

October 5th, 2009
10:28 am

Maybe I’m paranoid but I think UGA is still being penalized for the excessive celebration call against Florida. It just seems that some of the calls against the Dawgs – not just the one against Green or Charles Saturday night – are chintzy at best. For example, the call for excessive roughness for a damn good hit against Oklahoma State, late hit calls on quarterback sacks, bogus facemask calls, etc. Georgia was even called for a facemask against LSU when the replay clearly showed that the LSU player had the Georgia guys facemask too. Granted there will always be missed or controversial calls – and again I may be paranoid – but last year and so far this year there seems to be a disproportionate number going against UGA

Gator Mike

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Tony you called 100% right (as usual); you can’t be called a Homer for the Dogs anymore than me . It was an awful kneejerk call by the refs, it clearly impacted the game and refs obviously had a make up call on LSU, but damage already done. The only thing worse than than the job the refs did was the job Martinez did and has done all year. Dogs D is as good as anyone in the SEC but he can’t coach or develop his players. I’m not as worried about the Cajun Kittens after watching them this weekend. Tony you are the best , keep it up.

SEC Commissioner

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Any team that scores in the last 2 minutes of the game will be required to kick-off from the 15 yard line.

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

OK, HERE YA GO…..I JUST PUT IN MY 2 CENTS
EMAIL FOR HEAD OF SEC REF”S MR ROGERS REDDING in BIRMINGHAM.

rredding@sec.org

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Tony,
You are a homer. But you are our homer and we love you man.

Anyone who has ever played competitive sports at any level understands there is a different emotion that comes from the players when an opposing player makes a great play and when the official makes a bad call and puts you in a bad situation. With 69 seconds left, it is really hard for 18-19 year old to regain their composure and perform to the top of their ability. Yes they could have performed better, but they should not have been in that situation to begin with. And it was nothing they did outside the rules that put them there. It was the interpretation of the rules by Marc Curles and his crew…again.

Personally, I wish Holliday had returned the ko 83 yards for a td. That would have been easier to live with. Just like the Tigers have been living with Lindsey Scott’s 98 yard return in 1978.

One more thing. Look at #70 Ciron Black and the “TACKLE” he made on Bryan Evans on Scott’s last td run. There is an official on the sidelines running with the play looking straight at Black and did not make the call. Mark Curles was trailing the play and had a perfect view of the tackle and did not make the call. If Curles makes the call, the td is brought back, a 10 yard penalty puts the ball on the 43 and there are 46 seconds left. But no call was made and Curles delivered an undefeated #4 team to CBS for the big game this week.

Yes, I know LSU got some bad calls or spots early in the game. but that just points out how terrible Mark Curles is. By the way LSU, if you think Curles is bad, just wait until Saturday night and see what Penn “Nobody touches Timmy” Wagers does to you.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:30 am

No. It makes the point that all of the sudden you believe the media and they’re a credible source that supports you. Please, if they weren’t fanning the flames you want flamed, you’d be on here killing them for trying to get UGA by not bringing it up.

Be consistent, either their idiots and are wrong all the time, or maybe they know what they’re talking about, even if it doesn’t help your argument all the time.

Ed Knight

October 5th, 2009
10:32 am

I completely agree – and, I’m an Alabama fan. The call on Green was simply bogus and likely cost your Bulldogs the game. I think taunting should carry a heavy penalty – perhaps even ejection – but the 5 second hug fest of Green and his teammates should have been allowed by the officials.

While your coach may not lead the country in wins, even we Alabama fans can see that he leads in class.

Truly sorry ’bout the outcome of the LSU game – but, it’s nothing a win over the Gators can’t fix, is it ??

Alphare

October 5th, 2009
10:33 am

Now some dog fans started blaming ref for their game momentum. Wow.

bamafan

October 5th, 2009
10:33 am

TB – you are correct about the rule being stupid and its enforcement even stupidier. Celebration is never called on the defense for strutting around after a good defensive play. Unsportsmanlike conduct is never called on receivers who demand a pass interference flag from the refs…..both should be called every time. UGA coaches should have warned the players about celebration after the first one was called. I disagree with you as to the conclusion. The game was lost because of a lack of discipline. The five yard penalty on the kick-off was just as stupid, hurt UGA as much (because LSU was within FG range because of it), and was not a mistake by the officials. Where were the UGA coaches when it came time to put four players on the kicker’s right side?

To change the subject: did anyone notice that Kentucky introduced its basketball team and new coach at the beginning of the football game with Alabama? Some things never change……Bear Bryant might still be coaching there if the KY folks gave their football team more love….what a horrible signal to send KY football players and fans!!!

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:35 am

One more thing.
It is really interesting that the GATOR FANS are saying that the call was terrible. Thank you for your support and have fun in Baton Rouge.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

Techfan53

Give me a break! Your Tech colors are showing!

How did the call not affect the outcome of the game?

All LSU needed was field goal. By kick from the 15 yard line they only had to go a few yards to get that field goal

Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38

They were basically in field goal range already. The TD didn’t matter because if they hadn’t got it, LSU would’ve been able to run out the clock and kick the field goal

Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards. They also would have had to pass on about every play and be desperate and UGA could’ve been able to pin their ears back and continue the sack parade

To say that the penalty didn’t decide the game does nothing more than show your Tech or LSU allegance

AC

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

I just saw the video on the herd espn u. Sorry but the issue is this. After the score there was a bunch of helmet smacking jumping around. And usually this is fine. What was excessive was HOW LONG it lasted. Most players know after about 5 seconds of that, it’s time to run to the sideline. Ga players kept standing in the end zone jumping around smacking each other. That’s why it was considered obsessive. Teach your players DISCIPLINE. That’s ga’s biggest problem. There were goons jumping around the benches during the az state game last week. Nuff said.

Otto

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

Denver Dog- We are going to get good calls, and we are going to get bad calls. THe only calls we need to correct are the ones made by the coaches. Those are the only ones we can do anything about!

Yes we are and we should however. UGA has received more bad calls after the Dance in Jax.

Last year in reply to T. Moore this was posted:

have done a little more. In the first 7 games in 2007(before the Fla game) UGA was penalized 43 times and their opponents 45 times. after the “silly celebration” as you call it, in the next 11 games, UGA was penalized 102 time and their opponents 64 times. This is a preposterous disparity in officiating. Looking a little closer, Penn Wagers and his crew were responsible for 17 penalties against UGA, Steve Shaw and his crew were responsible for 16. Marc Curles and his crew called the Ole Miss game last year and called 3 penalties on UGA. In the Bama game this year they called 10 on UGA and 2 on Bama. Only one was not a judgement call. The other one was when the ball fell off the tee.

My point is that UGA embarrassed the officials at Fla and have paid the price. However, UGA did win 10 out of 11 of those games. I am not saying that the officials cost UGA the Bama game,but they did have a monumental influence on the first quarter.

Mark Richt is too classy to go after the officials, but I’m not. These are the hard facts and you can look them up. Try writing about how UGA is cleaning up their act and the officials may buy into it. And maybe you will also [/end quote]

Now given the chest beating Miami does and other celebrations it is not ahrd to see that Butlers comments as copied from Michael Scharff “Since the Florida celebration two years ago, the SEC refs have placed a yellow target square on Georgia’s back. Our coaches must recognize this and teach our players to kep any celebrating of big plays strictly to the side-lines.”

It is not hard to see the refs are calling UGA close. Adams and Evans need to have a talk with Slive, otherwise it will cost CMR his job.

dogfan

October 5th, 2009
10:37 am

I wanted to make one other point about excessive celebrations calls and the disparity on how they’re being enforced. First, let’s take Tebow. A great player and a fine young fellow no doubt. But how many times have you seen him draw attention to himself – and how many times has he been flagged. The answer – a LOT and NONE. And why is excessive celebration not called against the defense. Again, how many times has a player sacked the quarterback, intercepted or broken up a pass, and “celebrated” by thumping their chest, waving at the crowd, dancing, etc.. AND IT’S CALLED!!!!!

Shakyuga

October 5th, 2009
10:38 am

The “fumble” against Jasper Sanks was the worst call in the history of sports. The LSU excessive celebration penalty was second.

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:40 am

If this wasn’t true with our team if would be laughable. Richt called Coach Johnson at Tech this morning and “ask” him for tips on getting a team ready to play at noon on local TV. I assume VANDY, Kentucky and Tenn. Tech will all be nooner’s……..

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:40 am

Bamafan,
You should be really glad UK gave Rupp a Cadillac and Bryant a watch for their work one year. That is almost as big a mistake as selling Babe Ruth for “No, No Nanette”.

Otto

October 5th, 2009
10:41 am

I do agree the call was not all or even the bigget reason UGA lost. What?

Offense. 3 drives over 3:01 and of those 1 was 7 minutes the other 2 were less than 4.

Why are UGA’s possesions so short? The running game is 10th in the SEC. UGA has highly recruited RBs and a returning OL so there is little excuse to blame it on players. The coaches pick and coach these kids. As a result the on field performance in some way goes back to the coach.

I will add in reference to our play calling another statement I agree with: Senoia Dawg: Struggling to make a first down in the first half we throw exactly zero passes that are high percentage throws that would have given us a first down if the ball would have been caught and the receiver tackled immediately. This is just plain dumb… instead we throw screens and go patterns on third down

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:44 am

coach smith,

“Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38″

Not true. Watch the replay. Someone else posted what really happened. He caught it on the 15, took it to the 48, and the penalty took it to the 43.

“Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards.”

Not even close, w/o the penalty, they’re at the LSU 43. Field goal range would have been the UGA 34 yard line, which is 23 yards away.

Your revisionist history shows where your allegiances lie.

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:45 am

Otto,
Thank you for paying attention last year. I did the research and made the post to TM, Chip Towers and Tony. I’m glad sombody remembers. Do you think Slive would be interested?

Covington Dawg Fan

October 5th, 2009
10:45 am

I agree with Celebrate and others with this point of view: it was a typical hard fought SEC football game. At the end of the game, both coaches are going to look at film and think “hey we could have done this or that better”. What is terrible is when a ref gets confused as to what his role is in the game. My thought is that if he wants so badly to be a part of a game in which he can impact its outcome, why not give up the ref gig and join a bowling league or something.

I love UGA and have for many years. I was a little boy when #34 burst on the scene in ‘80 and we’ve seen many good times and some bad ones through the years. I just get tired of all the player and coach bashing that goes on my supposed Dawg fans out there. I expect other teams fans to do that, but not ones who say they are Dawg fans. Do we have some issues? yes, but let the ones hired make the choices. Can you be constructive? yes, but we all know that many cross the line. Some run their mouth like self proclaimed experts on how to run a defense or how to call plays…if this is the case why aren’t you doing it? If you were that “football” smart, then why are you doing what you do for a living and not actually coaching.
It takes no guts to criticize a those who are on the field of play.

I’ll finish with this. get behing this team. The season is still not ‘lost’. The season goes by far too fast to spend it crying about willie martinez or whatever you don’t like about the Dawgs. Go find a perfect team and cheer for them if that is what you are looking for. As for me, I’m gearing up for another college football saturday and cheering on my dawgs against UT.

Lakedawg

October 5th, 2009
10:47 am

Tony,

I absolutely agree – this rule needs to go, as well as any other
rule is not consistently and evenly enforced. In some ways, we’ve
contributed to our own situation with the end zone team rush vs Florida
a couple of years ago, and I fully believe that at least some of the
officials walk into our games “looking” for excessive celebration. But
at what point does it end ? They keep looking for it and “seeing” it
and calling it, so it self-propogates. I’m not sure how to make that
stop other than by operating by a set of rules that NOBODY else follows,
which isn’t right either. Coach Richt is a great coach with a great
record, but I do have the following suggestions for coach Richt:

1. Coach our players to SPRINT to OUR sideline after a scoring play
or a play that changes possession, and celebrate OFF the playing
field. NO MORE excessive celebration on the field. And have
the extra-point team ready to go while that’s going on, if we
scored a TD.

2. Improve our kickoff coverage. Do an analysis of major football
schools who play opposition similar in speed to our opposition
and determine which teams statistically do the best job of
covering kickoffs – the top three perhaps, to get several
approaches. Then send our coach who oversees kickoff coverage
to those coaches and watch film of those teams and determine
HOW they’re doing it. It’s just dumb to continue poor kickoff
coverage and it’s been going on for years……now it has cost
us a big win and possibly a chance at an SEC championship, when
we clearly have the talent to compete for one. That “circling
around” that we do prior to kicking off looks pretty silly when
we allow a big return and then get a procedure penalty on top
of it. If we have players who won’t stay in their lanes, bench
them and get someone who is coachable out there instead.

3. Prohibit our players from dancing on the sidelines when we’re
behind. It makes us look undisciplined and unfocused. Get
with whoever controls the stadium sound system to make such
things happen at APPROPRIATE times during the game….for
example, when the victory is secure.

I love Georgia and I want us to win. Problems need to be FIXED.
We are very close to championship level….the details will make it
or break it.

Joseph R. Evans, RPh
UGA Class of 1978

dogcrap

October 5th, 2009
10:47 am

wahhhh, waaahhhhh, wwaaaaahhhhhh!!!! I love it with the stupid inbred mutt nation suffers!! Cry me a freakin river idiots

slim jim

October 5th, 2009
10:48 am

i could care less about UGA or LSU, but those calls were a crock.

LSU gained essentially 20 yrds on their next drive because of penalities, The excessive celebration on AJ was bogus. I thought maybe AJ said something to an LSU player, but who cares. It takes the emotion out of football and it spotted LSU 15 yards.

BTW I thought the 15 yrd pentality was tacked on the the PAT, not the kick off. Where do these rules come from?

Kendawg

October 5th, 2009
10:48 am

Apparently your bloggers know very little about the rules of football. On the last kickoff by UGA, UGA kicked off from its own fifteen yard line. If UGA kicked it out of bounds, the ball would have been placed at the UGA 45 yard line. That’s because the rule says place the ball 30 yards from where it is kicked if the kick goes out of bounds. That’s why it is placed at the oppont’s 40 yard line if it’s kicked out of bounds and the kick originated at the 30 yard line. Let’s face it- UGA didn’t lose simply because of the celebration penalty. We lost because of our inept offense in the first half. A J was open down the middle and Cox badly overthrew him. It’s time to play our younger QB’s and start Ealey. The Tennessee game would not be too soon. And if Richt doesn’t fire some coaches at season’s end, it’ll be time to get rid of him.

bobby

October 5th, 2009
10:50 am

I agree with you totally. The problem with common sense it is so uncommon for too many people to have it in the first place so you have to put in rules that are simple and easy to understand and take away the personal opinions that all too often biased.

calvin

October 5th, 2009
10:51 am

It’s really about ‘political correctness’. It’s girly men
who make rules about ‘excessive celebration’, handshakes
before the game, and all that rot. If these rule-makers
continue to have their way, within a few decades we will
have touch football only, and enforced equal participation
by women.

GSU Eagle 91

October 5th, 2009
10:51 am

A lot of passion here… As there should be! It was a bad call, but UGA still should have stopped LSU after they had done so for virtually the whole game… Just take it out on UT, and look ahead to the rest of your season.
For the touchdown makers, here is some advice.. Take a look at Herschel, and Barry Sanders…They simply gave the ball back to the officials, and went back to their sidelines…And got ready for their next carry.

billytdoogan

October 5th, 2009
10:51 am

If uga had tried to do more than run up the middle with crappy RB’s the first 3 1/2 quarters, maybe they would have scored more and the penalty would not have been a big deal. even with the penalty, UGA special teams (thanks again Jon Fabris) was a huge letdown. First, in allowing a 40+ yard return, then getting an illegal shift penalty called on running a kickoff they have never run before. Great Job Coaches. You blew another game.

joe joe

October 5th, 2009
10:53 am

I was pulling for LSU & I agree totally. Neither of those flags should have been thrown. I look at the big picture & the refs shouldn’t be throwing flags for doing that. Unless the player is showing up the opponent in his face there is no need for a flag.

All I'm Saying Is...

October 5th, 2009
10:53 am

Tony, you are right: BAD CALL which changed the complexion of the game and impacted the outcome, although UGA did not lose because of it. And the make-up call against LSU was a lousy call too.

OFFICIALS SHOULD NEVER DIRECTLY IMPACT THE OUTCOME OF A GAME, NO MATTER WHAT THE SPORT.

Unfortunately, college officials have very little discretion with this rule as currently defined. Need to keep it but re-write it.

La Jolla Dawg

October 5th, 2009
10:55 am

I don’t think the timing of this article makes Tony look like a homer at all–ESPN, CBS, SI.com all commented on this particularly bad call. I think UGA deserves an apology. I also think David Hale makes some great points on his blog about how UGA tends to whiff kickoffs that occur right after big plays. http://ugadogsblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/kickoff-conundrum-two-years-of-momentum.html

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:55 am

Mutt Nonsense

Sorry but you are wrong. Go to CBS.com or Comcast On Demand and watch it. He did not catch the ball at the 15. I’ve watched it multiple times

From 15 to 15 really? LOL that would be a 70+ yard kick. If our kicker could do that the normal kickoffs would be out of the endzone

Why don’t you just admit that you are either a LSU fan who is trying to defend the GIFT “win” they got OR you are a TECH fan who is enjoying the fact that UGA lost a game

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:55 am

one more time…………………………………..rredding@sec.org……………………head of SEC officiating

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:56 am

leave off the time and dots….it’s

rredding@sec.org

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:57 am

Just beat Tech and it will be a great Christmas………………

Denver Dog

October 5th, 2009
10:58 am

Ok Otto, Adams and Evans need to do the work that they need to do. Our coaches need to do what they need to do. That is all I’m saying. Have you written to the SEC or NCAA with those facts. You should.

GO DOGS

Big Al

October 5th, 2009
11:00 am

I agree the call should not have been made I just wonder why you did not write the article on the rule until the DAWGS were part of the issue. I also heard during the telecast that Coach Richt doesn’t mind the penatlies— doesn’t want blunt their aggression—- so they will continue to lead the nation with flags so why not write an article on that subject.

ugablows

October 5th, 2009
11:01 am

more payback/kharma for the idiotic whole-team endzone celebration that richt orchestated a couple of years ago….yall deserve it and will keep on deserving it…..choke on it b*tches

Joe M

October 5th, 2009
11:01 am

It is very simple. Cover the freaking kickoff, tackle the freaking returner and none of this is more than a little talk.

COVER THE KICKOFF!

Not to mention the piss-poor offense for 3 & 1/2 quarters and the bend-but-don’t-break defense that bent-&-broke on the final 2 drives. Spend all day mixing coverages and blitzing a little then throw it all out the window.

oleballfan

October 5th, 2009
11:03 am

Who was the official who called the Excessive Celebration penalty on Green? Get his name. He should be called out. No matter what the bozo’s say about dawgs should of done this and should have done that. The Call affected the outcome of the game. And it was a Game Changer. Maybe LSU still would have won. I don’t know and you don’t know. The official wrongly inserted himself into the outcome of the game. These types of calls are ruining the best sport in the country. The rules need to be change and clearly defined, or else interest in the game will wane. Also, nearly every (50%?) time a run back on a punt, KO there is a blocking in the back penalty, which is very frustrating. This is another penalty that needs to be changed and clarified. Wonder why the games last 4 hrs. All the dang penalties, reviews, a beautiful sport is being ruined because the rules stink.

Stephen

October 5th, 2009
11:03 am

The absolute worse you have ever seen? Worse than Colorado getting 5 downs at the goal line to win a national title? Boy, you dont watch too much college football for being an “expert”.

TheItalianDawg

October 5th, 2009
11:04 am

That was a big time Bull $hit call! I did not see any thing excessive about it. but also Bobo made Chavis look a genius with his terrible play calling. by now Bobo should know that Chavis is all about just determined to stop the run when he plays Georgia so he suppose to be more creative. Cox was terrible as well if he had completed some of his passes he would have helped the run. anyway it was on the coaches shoulder and Im now sick of watching and going to any game

AlabamaRamblinwreck

October 5th, 2009
11:05 am

I always want UGA to lose, BUT the call was stupid. We had a similar call on Josh Nesbitt for saluting the GT students after a touchdown. This is beyond ludicrous. Why not let the kids acknowledge the fans?

Go Jackets!!

ugablows

October 5th, 2009
11:05 am

that lsu running back still would have scored the winning touchdown, just would have been a 15 yard longer run

worst fans in the world, yall deserve it….hope UT beats the bejesus out of you

Larry

October 5th, 2009
11:07 am

Gosh so many of you have your priorities so messed up. Do you even know what’s going on in the world right now?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6860616.ece

ugablows

October 5th, 2009
11:07 am

watched some of the AU/UT game….i believe that AU might very well score 50+ on willie’s boys

Atlanta Gator

October 5th, 2009
11:08 am

The NCAA should NOT eliminate the excessive celebration penalty from the college football rule book. Instead, the rules committee needs to tighten the rule by providing better guidance to the referees. Clear violations of the rule should be called as penatlies; marginal violations are better ignored, regardless of whether the particular minor violation is a game-changer or not.

Let’s remember why the rule adopted in the first place—-it was an answer to the elaborate pre-rehearsed and choreographed end zone celebrations that began in the NFL in the 1980s and were imitated by college players. End zone dances and other rehearsed scoring celebrations should continue to be banned, as should taunting of opposing players and fans, and any type of tossing of the ball into the stands, etc. If the players can’t live within those boundaries, then a penalty is appropriate.

College football is a game of emotions, and the players should be permitted unrehearsed and spontaneous releases of that emotion, but any behavior that is overtly unsportsmanlike should remain banned. Period.

johnny weissmuller

October 5th, 2009
11:08 am

Tony Barnhart – You never cease to amaze me.

Now you say the excessive celebration call was the “single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport”

Well where the heck were you when in the end of the 2nd qtr in the GT v UNC game the officials did not stop the clock when Thomas picked up the first down AND got out of bounds which prevented GT from having atleast another 2 plays?? Where were you then claiming that the officials had made the “worst mistake” you had ever seen?

You are the epitome of a homer – You are not a journalist, you are a UGA fan….and that’s fine, but don’t claim for one second to even be SOMEWHAT impartial and fair.

You never give credit where it’s due and even when it is clear that LSU was just the better team, you won’t say it. Now had GT lost to LSU in the EXACT same fashion, you would be calling into question Coach Johnson’s offense, etc

Barnhart = Homer, non-imparital journalist, who is purely a UGA fan

Ralph

October 5th, 2009
11:10 am

Sorry, but there is a large body of football fans who don’t agree with “celebrations” which started and escalated from the NFL. Last year it was diving into the end zone. Enough of this conceited trash. It’s time again for athletes to act like they have done such feats before and will do them again, instead of acting like each good performance is the pinnacle of their career.

And the new rule enforcement has been well known to coaches and players just like the ignored diving into the endzone rule. It is the coach’s fault for putting up with infractions on and off the field. You’d think coaches would be incensed when single players put their actions and self aggrandizement above the good of the team.

Oh wait. Some do. Richt doesn’t.

Rduck

October 5th, 2009
11:12 am

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a job for the UGA newsletter Tony. You are really getting old!

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
11:12 am

coach smith,

Interesting that you’ve “watched it multiple times” but won’t comment on what you saw? Gee I wonder why that is.

I think I’ve figure it out. You’re right. I was wrong. He didn’t catch it on the 15, he caught it at the 17.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/10167750/Holliday%27s-return-sets-up-Tigers-win-***-College-football%27s-fastest-player-beats-the-field-again-

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/63461157.html

Whine and Cheese

October 5th, 2009
11:13 am

What a bunch of babies.

Winners find a way to win.
Losers cry and complain about the referees.

ladyluckjc

October 5th, 2009
11:13 am

does anyone else out there get tired of Zeier complaining about officials? I’ve probably listened to 10-15 minutes a game on the radio and he has done it every single time.

quaildawg

October 5th, 2009
11:13 am

So why isn’t Tebow ever penalized for his excessive demonstration???? Just wondering.
BTW-I believe the BacK Judge was the one who called both ECP’s against UGA. Not sure on the LSU penalty. (which I agree seemed to be a CYA call)

lost in atlanta

October 5th, 2009
11:13 am

Isn’t if funny how a 15 yard penalty can be called the biggest play of the game, but the ensuing 40 yard kickoff return is ignored. Yes, the rule is a bit over-called, but please don’t be that guy who suggests that the penalty dictated the outcome. LSU dominated Georgia for most of the game and made big plays when they had to. That’s why they won.

T-Bone

October 5th, 2009
11:14 am

Here’a a solution. Make it a fine for excessive celebration, not a penalty. Penalities should be thrown for breaking the rules of the game itself, like offsides, holding, etc. These are things that are game-related. If a ref thinks that too much high-fiving has taken place, then he can “penalize” the coach or the school, but not the game.

Bystander

October 5th, 2009
11:14 am

Enter your comments here
One cannot help but think that qualifying one’s background is, at best, an attempt at objectivity. However, having read TB’s writings over the years, prove otherwise. Where was the same type attitude when that team to the west had a similar situation; a game decided by the same penalty against Tennessee in O/T no less. And in that contest, a similar penalty was NOT put on the other team to “somewhat even it out…” I understand a fan’s disappointment, but to try and cloak it as TB has justs screams Homer, in spite of his best effort. Rules are rules and UGA (with Richt in charge) just simply does not see the need to play within them as was stated on national TV during this game. How fitting is that? Just one college football fan’s opinion.

TommyJack

October 5th, 2009
11:14 am

As a TN fan, I have always respected TB’s objectivity. Still do. The dawgs got hosed about as bad as I’ve ever seen. Fans don’t pay to see officials. IF, big IF, the officials followed the rule, then the rule needs to be changed. GBO

Otto

October 5th, 2009
11:16 am

MurfDawg, Sorry I copied the quote and link down but could not get it to lad and give you credit. I did get the link to load now:

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/moore/entries/2008/10/15/florida_celebration_backfiring.html

Yes, I think Slive should get involved. IMO it is becoming clear UGA is getting more than their share of bad calls. It is Slive’s job to be sure the SEC as a whole and each team are treated equally.

Denver Dog, No I have not but I should. I agree the coaches need to do their jobs and control our end as best they can. It also my opinion that what AJ did was not considered a penalty in the past and thus not something the coaches would have focused on. After Rashad had his hit in Stillwater I have noticed he let up when fans cheered him to hit the other player. Hopefully this is due to the coaching staff taking action. New things pop up every game and this was not something the coaches should have been worried about. Yes I have put blame on the staff for other problems Obviously the coaching staff should make it clear that this should not happen again.

I do agree that the rule is sucking the life and fun out of the game as a whole. The Washington? call costing them the game last year was bogus too.

Lance

October 5th, 2009
11:17 am

Ga Tenn is a pickem. I pick the Vowels.

B. Scott

October 5th, 2009
11:20 am

That was the single worst call I have ever seen in all of my years of watching football. It is a STUPID rule and should be changed and the official that called it should never be allowed to officiate another football game EVER!

Call it Like It Is

October 5th, 2009
11:21 am

I wish the Pros would adapt the penality as I do not want to see the “ME, ME, ME, look what I done” BS. Go to the sidelines and do the Icky Shuffle, but to me any celebration on the field is BAD SPORTSMANSHIP & TAUNTING which can prevoke fighting on the field and in the stands as I view this as an in your face manuver.

Enough Said!

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
11:21 am

Looks like the REAL bulldog team this year is in Starkville.

Miss State (Offense) vs. LSU
374 yds total offense
223 yds rushing
151 yds passing
21 1st Downs

UGA (Offense) vs. LSU
274 yds total offense
45 yds rusing (thats not a typo)
229 yds passing
11 1st Downs

LSU (Offense) vs. Miss State
263 yds total offense
30 yds rushing (thats not a typo either)
233 yds passing
12 1st downs

LSU (Offense) vs. UGA
368 yds total offense
156 yds rushing
212 yds passing
19 1st downs

And, despite 4 TOs, Miss State still had a chance to win at the LSU goal line.

Whine all you want about the penalty UGA fans, but looking at the stats, UGA team performance looks like TOTAL CRAP !!

Are you kidding me?

October 5th, 2009
11:22 am

Enter your comments here
Ok, bad call yes. But Georgia didn’t cover on the kickoff and didn’t tackle anybody–ANYBODY–after that. it was a bad call, but Georgia lost the game, not the officials.

You’re right Tony, you let your homegrown roots show and you usually don’t. Georgia’s defense was terrible in the final minutes–THAT’S WHY THEY LOST THE GAME.

Randy

October 5th, 2009
11:24 am

Tony shouldn’t be allowed to cover uga. he needs to be working for some paper up north or out west. he’s not thinking at all. to call that the worst call shows this. i’ve seen calls that were 100 x worse. this isn’t even that questionable. the players stayed in the end zone jumping around smacking each other for a good 20-30 seconds AFTER the score. that IS excessive. and this call did not keep a drive alive. those are the calls that are much worse. phamtom holdings to bring a big play back, no touch pass int which you see every week. push offs with no call for a catch. green had a couple. those have a much bigger outcome on games. and to say some celebration pentalty was the wrost ever? give me a big time what the f ever break. it’s no where near the worst. and ga had more time left than lsu did when they had the ball. ga didn’t tackle. simple as that. quit making excuses tony and you really need to work somewhere else. your one sided biased opinion is a joke and not good for cbs.

Hugh Howard

October 5th, 2009
11:24 am

I have been attending GA football games regularly since I started as a student in 1966 and have been. I have attended all but a hand full of home games in all these years. I have never seen anything as bad as that call on AJ Green Saturday. Do we win without the call? I don’t know, LSU is a strong team. Without the call the game is decided by the players instead of the officials. Officials are supposed to keep the game under control, not control it.

The AJ Gren call is not the only poor call. Prior to that a GA receiver caught a ball and waved his fist in a circular motion toward the West end zone. This also drew a penalty. However, a play or two prior to that LSU broke up a pass on a good play. The LSU player goose steppe a majoreet type exaggerated run alll the way into our backfield. No call by the officials although he ran by several. This penalty is to subjective. It is obvious the officiating crew made a mistake. They had to issue a statement explaining the call. Thses guys were a horrible crew anyway. They could not see the team in white holding or grabbibg receivers.

Gatorzone

October 5th, 2009
11:25 am

AC, I saw the same dancing during the Az.state game. It reminded me of the Soulja Boy crap. This is their MO, and that is why close calls are going against UGA.

quit_whinen

October 5th, 2009
11:25 am

its all about taunting anyway. forget the rule changes. learn to celebrate on the sidelines.

ladyluckjc

October 5th, 2009
11:26 am

toe meets leather, good point. worst call in 30 yrs? gotta be kidding. TB, would have been a good article except for your excessive homerism shining through by making such an ascenine claim. i’d have to go with 5 downs for CU over that one. or for homerism sake, jasper sanks fumble on the goal line against Tech while laying on the ground would have to take the cake! Right?

gregdog

October 5th, 2009
11:26 am

all of you people saying UGA should have stopped lsu from scoring after the penalty…you’re right. Fabris shoud resign now!! UGA’s ko coverage is awful and has been for a while. Now as far as Scott’s td run…go find a video of that play and watch it. Curran was blocked in the back on the play (that’s why he couldn’t tackle Scott) by Hebert, there was a hold on the line, and our safety was almost beheaded by an lsu player…all on the same play…but no call. Move that play 10-15 yards further back (now LOS is on the 50) and let’s see what happens. I agree with Brando. Something stinks to high heaven with these refs in the SEC.
All of that said, UGA should be good enough and disiplined enough to overcome those things. I hope CMR does a long, hard look at all coaches at the end of the year.

Snellville fan

October 5th, 2009
11:27 am

The rule goes back to the U and its celebrations. The rule is simple you can hugh all you want as long as you do not face the stands in the end zone. The way around is to run to the sidelines and face the fans behind your home bench.

The coaching staff is responsible for their players to know the rules and abide by them. Georgia got the ensuing kickoff from the 15 as well, just did not execute. As usual Georgia did not know how to react.

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
11:27 am

Also, even with 5 TOs, Miss State had big offensive stats
agaisnt G-Tech.

Without the 5 TOs, Miss State probably beats G-Tech too.

Bulldogs are “rising in the West” and “setting in the East.”

Dawg85

October 5th, 2009
11:27 am

It was a bad call. So was the one against LSU. It might not have changed the outcome but it did change the game. Georgia gets called tighter than any other SEC team. Damon Evans needs to have a sit down with Mike Slive and talk about it. If what AJ and Charles and Scott did are excessive why doesn’t Tebow get a bunch of these every game? Be consistent.

Now the worst call of all time was in 1999 when Japer Sanks was down against Tech and a Tech player picked up the ball and the officials ruled it a fumble — with an official right there looking at the play. Cost Georgia the game. Cost some of those officials their jobs if I remember correctly.

Dawg '88

October 5th, 2009
11:27 am

What will happen the next time Tim Tebow raises his arms and gestures to the crowd. I’ll tell you….no penalty…but tons of praise for being passionate and a team leader. I am tired of different rules for different players. That’s what really stinks here, Tony! Tebow has done the same thing a thousand times and nothing but praise is heaped on him. Disgusting.

Bored of the Go-Dawg Nation

October 5th, 2009
11:28 am

UGAy is forever on the celebration watch list due to that juvenile stunt against Florida of 07. If you are looking for a place to lay blame for this loss…maybe try tackling.

Intentional Foul » How Is This A Penalty?

October 5th, 2009
11:28 am

[...] it time for this silly, ineffective rule to be abolished, or at least severely modified? According to Tony Barnhart, it is: I just feel the rule, which was created with the best of intentions, has morphed into [...]

wildman

October 5th, 2009
11:29 am

Does anyone know where that chicken sh** ref that made the call lives. I would love to meet him in person.

Call it Like It Is

October 5th, 2009
11:29 am

I will follow my point up by saying that the call against GA was wrong.

However, that did not lose the game for GA by a long shot! Bad kickoff coverage, and the lack of their defense to stop the drive is what blew the game.

I just do not want to see another Miami maylay like a few years ago and that could have happened two years ago in Jax by what GA did on the celebration against FL.

Bottom line: Celebrate with your teammates on the sidelines.

Enough Said!

Icepack

October 5th, 2009
11:31 am

Ditch the celebrations, play on…the celebrations are BS. Regardless of team, they make football counterproductive. No discipline, it’s a coaching thing. I’d like to see all self-glorifying crap managed better in Football, it’s losing the original lustre I thought was part of the game in terms of sportsmanship. Hand the ball the the ref with dignity, head to the sideline.

roy jones

October 5th, 2009
11:31 am

Players can’t control themselves. If we didn’t have this rule, it would be like a scene from BASEketball. On a game winning TD, we might have a party in the end zone with strippers pole dancing on the goal posts.

bamafanatl

October 5th, 2009
11:33 am

All of the “excessive celebration” calls were uncalled for. We turned to the ND game right afterwards and much worse was ignored. That is the problem. I agree that college football is not about personal celebration but we don’t want the fun taken out of it. The refs look like they are trying to change the outcome of the game or punish a player they don’t like and that is just bad for the game. Taunting is entirely different.

Reality Check

October 5th, 2009
11:34 am

Would someone please show me where Tony said that he penalty cost UGA the game? No one can, because he didnt say it! He said it was a bad call and that because there is no hard rule on this type of penalty there will continue to be subjectivity causing over zealous officials to over-extend their power on a game. Read the stupid article before you post!

Gatorzone – I agree with you.

Kitster

October 5th, 2009
11:36 am

You can thank Vince Dooley for that rule. I hope that the rule is removed as well. Though, as they say – holding can almost be called on every play – sometimes it is caled, sometimes it isn’t. The point is – calls are made, and good teams have to recover from them (legit or bogus calls) and bounce back. That call didn’t give LSU the next touchdown.. Georgia had the chance to stop them and didn’t.

brandon

October 5th, 2009
11:37 am

good article.

ReptilesRule

October 5th, 2009
11:45 am

Hey, I’m glad we have the rule in place but Tony is right, it has gone too far. And there seems to be a wide interpretation of the rule itself as I have seen games where it SHOULD have been called and then games like Saturday where it definitely should have not. College football is the greatest game on earth because of the excitement,emotion and passion. Lets not take that, nor the fun out of this fabulous game we all love!!!

Rduck

October 5th, 2009
11:48 am

I too agree that the rule needs to be tweaked to let the guys celebrate with teammates in good taste, but why do you choose now to post a blog about it Tony? Their have been numerous times where games have been impacted by this rule. I can remember the Wash.-BYU game last year for one where the UW QB tossed the ball over his head after scoring a TD that could’ve tied the game. The penalty backed the PAT attempt 15 yds and the kicker missed. Stop livin’ and dyin’ with the Dawgs Tony. Your act is seriously getting OLD!!!!

Techfan53

October 5th, 2009
11:48 am

Coach Smith
I am glad you can get the fact that I am a Tech fan (hint look at my handle). However a fair one that will acknowledge great performances like Walkers back in the 80’s. Did you even watch the game?? How can you not acknowledge the fact that Georgia could not stop Scott ALL day, especially on the last drive!!! How could you miss the fact of Georgia’s inconsistency on offense. How much do you know about football??

Are you kidding me?

October 5th, 2009
11:49 am

TB, now you have Ga fans blaming holding penalties that were not called. Ga fans don’t need a leader in the NATIONAL MEDIA giving them more things to whine about. They are the most paranoid fans in the world. The whole world is out to get you because you are the most elite program?????…..Give me a friggin break and tackle somebody. LSU could have scored from 90 yards out because the Ga secondary never takes the right angle to save touchdowns–see GaTech game from last year. and no I’m not a Tech fan. I’m a football fan. QUIT WHINING!!! You didn’t tackle anybody!!! So you lost!! Grow up.

Mike

October 5th, 2009
11:50 am

I say the dawgs give the ball to the ref, and as a team walk to the sideline with their heads down everytime they score … together.

I say they make a point to boring down the game. Just walk to the ref, give him the ball, and walk to the sidelines.

Rickie

October 5th, 2009
11:51 am

Enter your comments here This was the worst call I ever seen. Period!!!

Dawg010

October 5th, 2009
11:52 am

It is unfortunate that the referees are now part of the game. The three excessive celebration calls were made by the same official. I watched him the entire play on the Scott touchdown run and the official ran into the endzone with his hand on his back pocket and the threw the flag the “instant” that Scott raised his hand. The officials are supposed to control the action not be the action.

TechCrybaby

October 5th, 2009
11:55 am

There are a rare few bad calls every season – But that one last Saturday was not what caused UGA to lose the game. They didn’t score until the last quarter, was what.

Also, you need to get off your soapbox, Tony. Respect authority. Restrict “celebrations.” Don’t open the door to the criminally insane.

GETITRIGHT

October 5th, 2009
11:58 am

Thanks to the Georgia enemies list for me of the same nonsensical
arguments they usually bring. Truth is both teams deserved to lose.
The point Tony makes is simple but gets lost in the anti Georgia screed
is that the penalty is a problem that has to be addressed.
My argument in addition is that you don’t have any cred if you argue
that the penalty was not a huge factor in the outcome. YOU ARE JUST
BEING AN IDIOT FOR THE SAKE OF BEING ONE! Some of you are wasting
your argument skills here. The president will need some fresh
propaganda material in three years. Start early and work hard.
Here your arguments will be appropiately dismissed and ridiculed.
In the meantime serious discussions are needed for a problem that
will continue to do damage if not addressed.

Earth, Wind and Fire

October 5th, 2009
11:59 am

Definitely NOT an excessive CELEBRATION. Take it from us we KNOW a celebration when we see it. Excessive or not.

coach

October 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

I am Tech fan, and i have no trouble saying the call was bogus, but so was the one on LSU, AJ Green is a stud, but UGA still missed tackle, and did not move the ball against the LSU who Miss State put up almost 400 yds in the rain last week.

Yellow Fuzz

October 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

I say any rule that gets georgia fans riled up is worth keeping.

Yellow Fuzz

October 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

I’m glad Tech has never had a bad call go against them

But SHE said...

October 5th, 2009
12:04 pm

Like, I have Yellow Fuzz! It matches my pig tails!

gdawginkalamazoo@yahoo.com

October 5th, 2009
12:04 pm

I just wish that we could play complete game with all three facets working in the same 60 minutes. O is hot, D is cold, ST luke warm or any combination of the three. Our team played hard and fought the whole game. It was a classic game. I got to see the end of the MSU-Michigan game too. It appeared that MSU outplayed UM all day long just like LSU outplayed us till the end. MSU deserved to win their game Saturday and LSU deserved to win that game. Both of those teams played a more complete game.

johnny weissmuller

October 5th, 2009
12:05 pm

ok, but was that call worse than the officials not stopping the clock at the end of the second quarter against UNC when Bay-Bay got the first down AND got out of bounds???

I didn’t hear Barnhart crying about that

JB

October 5th, 2009
12:05 pm

First, as a Georgia fan, I blame the coach’s. They ought to be coached , ESPECIALLY IN A TIGHT,CLOSE GAME, give the ball to the official and sprint OFF the FIELD. If the Official who threw that flag had a say, that’s what he would say. We have many more problems than that ref. We ARE 5 games into the season and out of the top 25. Nuff said.

DT

October 5th, 2009
12:06 pm

The Dogs just got beat…lost….so says the scoreboard…regardless of what Phat Tony has to say…..!! Get over it….learn to tackle…learn to play by the rules….score some more points….LSU had just as many bad calls but they seem to overcome it even being on the road for the 3rd time this year……

I cant wait for the next wave of excuses…when the dogs lose to UF….Auburn…..Tech…..

Whahhhhhh
Bow Wow
Wahhhhhh

Buster Meeks

October 5th, 2009
12:06 pm

Excessive celebraton 15 yd. penalty. Personal foul late hit 15yd penalty. Shouldn’t a late hit personal foul be 30 yds if a look at the crowd is 15yds.

JB

October 5th, 2009
12:07 pm

one more time:

rredding@sec.org

Head of SEC officials

Pumpdawg

October 5th, 2009
12:08 pm

How could AJ have been calling attention to himself?He had just scored the go-ahead touchdown,everybody’s attention was already on him.

GLB

October 5th, 2009
12:10 pm

So Charles Scott wouldn’t have scored if he would have started his run 15 yards farther back?? hahaha!!! You got beat, quit whining.

Jefferson

October 5th, 2009
12:11 pm

Just wait till Rogers shows up, no way they can control him. Looked to me like the D and special teams lost the game.

Keep the Rule

October 5th, 2009
12:14 pm

How about teaching the kids not to showboat. The game is not about the individual. This kind of showboating didn’t go on years ago and it doesn’t have to go on now. Coach ‘em.

ugafanatic

October 5th, 2009
12:16 pm

LSU fans you guys are a bunch of dumb sh***.You think the two penalties evened out? Whos to say Walsh wouldnt have booted that bitch out the end zone ( very rare ) and you would have to go 45-60 yds for a fg chance? Do you think you would have actually been running the ball if you were on UGAS 30 or 40? Probably not. The call was BS. It cost us the game. We didnt deserve to win the way our guys played but we also didnt deserve for the game to be taken from us.

sharecropper

October 5th, 2009
12:17 pm

Now, let me see here. The Bulldogs are going to be intimidated from going into the end zone to score a touchdown because they can’t celebrate without being penalized, and therefore they might not score and … does that about cover it? That’s idiotic, Barnhart. You’re supposed to be an adult, so act like it. I do not necessarily disagree that the celebration penalty has been misapplied — and, by the way, as a long time writer of football, as you claim to be, if only the referee sees it, that is enough; that is the rule — but don’t make silliness of it. The fact is those “celebrations” got out of hand a long time ago, and range from jumping up and down on an opponent’s logo to sprinting out into the middle of the field for camera attention after making a play, to being a boor in the end zone. Many of us in my age group had a coach who would have yanked a knot in our necks for such shenanigans. Do it today and it would solve the problem way short of referees.

blazer

October 5th, 2009
12:17 pm

Enter your comments here CALLED THE SAME ON LSU-HAD THE BALL LAST-THREW AN
INTERCEPTION-PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

`COX NOT GROUNDED THE BALL AVOIDING A SAFETY-PLEASE AGAIN-

THAT IS A STUPID RULE- WAS INSIDE THE TACKLE- HE THREW IT TO ADVOID THE SAFETY.

GACRIMSON

October 5th, 2009
12:17 pm

Enter your comments here For one thing Tony,it’s o.k to be a Homer.I’m a Bama fan, I would have been livid.And your right,its not a blown call,its a blown perception,and thats dangerous stuff.All this talk about Ga.not deserving a win is coming from twerps who never had the slobber knocked out of them for 60 minutes.It was a ugly game.And no,there is no guarantee that LSU would’nt have scored anyway.But this is the worst “type”of call,if not the worst.If your a dawg,you have to be down,but your coach does’nt teach or promote bad behavior and you know it.Your team fought hard and then were put in a real fix,real quick.

tmac

October 5th, 2009
12:18 pm

Two thoughts:
1. I agree totally with what you say, but this does nothing for UGA last Saturday. So, i say leave it in the entire year and let everyone deal with it’s stupidity.
2. Create a rule that the crowd can’t celebrate and point to the field… sounds just as dumb the other way, doesn’t it? Do you think the players don’t get just as excited as the fans on potential game winning plays?

Todd

October 5th, 2009
12:18 pm

Thank you Tony, Use some your pull to further this conversation, like naming the official and telling everyone where he lives and he’s not invited back to Sanford Stadium. Just like the clown yrs. back in Knoxville that called a TD pass in the endzone with J. Gaffney of FL putting his hands on the ball rather than catching it. It’s hard to accept and getting over an official determining the outcome of the game.

There’s a huge difference between taunting and excessive celebration.

The most incredible thing of it all is the kind of $ paid and the time and people involved in B’mham that mull this stuff over and make the decisions. And the result is the clown that threw the flag that determined the outcome of 3+ hrs. of drama and the $ paid by CBS and …… Again, it boils down to a very trained and well paid official, who’s sitting somewhere at this moment telling someone, the kid look toward the crowd people, blah, blah This is a joke!

Jay

October 5th, 2009
12:19 pm

Right when the game ended, I just KNEW Homer Barnhart would write up something to defend Uga and attack the calls. The same way he constantly picks Uga to win.

Ajc, all the non-Uga fans are tired of Barnhart pandering to the Uga fans. Its biased and repetitive.

So when the call doesn’t go Uga’s way, you want to eliminate the rule? Why didnt you call for this after the UF-UT game? Oh wait, I know…because Uga wasnt involved and it didnt cost Uga the game.

Sad.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
12:19 pm

That’s not an email address. I had yahoo on my mind.

Fred

October 5th, 2009
12:21 pm

Everything I saw was bad…

ugafanatic

October 5th, 2009
12:21 pm

TECH FAN 53 ARE YOU ON CRACK? WE COULDNT STOP SCOTT ALL DAY. WHERE YOU WATCHING LAST YEARS GAME?

Muscledawg

October 5th, 2009
12:22 pm

Tony you are correct in your statement. There needs to a investigation into this crap. The ref’s are not suppose to influence the outcome of any game. The head referee should have waved this penalty off or asked what did AJ do to warrant a penalty. Just like what happened in the Arizona St. game when the player pushed the referee to stop the play!
That call has to be the worst call I have ever seen a referee make in a game! I want someone to please show me what did AJ do to get the penalty, please. He was not bringing attention to himself, heck he had just made a great catch. How can you need he happy for the play he made, he was trying to get to his sideline. Terrible CALL!!!! This Umpire crew needs to penalized or something! As for as all of these jerket fans and ls-who fans that are talking alot of crap, hear this: The penalty on scott was mute at the end. The game was bascially over because we had to score a TD whereas Ls-who needed a fg, can you count? Jerkets need to go back to their hive like they always do when things get rough and accept they are losers.
Referee’s lost this game for us, granted we could have played better but so could have ls-who.

FLEABAG MUTT'S

October 5th, 2009
12:22 pm

Remember……if you LIVE by the sword you DIE by the sword!!

Chris G

October 5th, 2009
12:23 pm

The call was bogus, but as others have already stated, the penalty did not prevent our defense from tackling Scott. He ran through our line, past our defensive backs and safeties, and took the ball to the endzone. It would not have mattered if LSU was on their own 5 yard line–if the defense allows a running back to pass through unmolested, he will take it to the endzone.

As anyone who has played football knows, everybody on the field has to play until the last whistle blows, and once again, our defense failed this test. The first 59 minutes of defense was above average considering our other defensive performances this year; the final minute was a typical Willie Martinez-inspired defensive meltdown. Oh well–Go Dawgs!!!

Jackson

October 5th, 2009
12:23 pm

HEY–I am a Big Ten Fan but was watching the game and thought the “call” absolutely stunk. Beyond lame after the game reflections from officials as to what they saw and no one else did…including the video tape–this official did something you never want to do in officiating. His poor judgement call impacted the outcome of the game…needlessly. I am with Mr. Barnhart…eliminate excessive celebration with only caveat that only the 11 players on the field can celebrate. If “throat slashing, somersaults, etc.” occur, call that taunting and throw the flag. It would have been refreshing for the officials to admit that the rule needs to be looked at etc. and not “well here is what we saw that you didn’t.”

Mitch

October 5th, 2009
12:24 pm

Let’s not forget the face mask on Georgia and the replay clearly shows L.S.U. doing the same thing on the very same play.

Great game L.S.U. good luck this season.Georgia just can’t beat the ref’s and the team their playing also.

mr bodine

October 5th, 2009
12:25 pm

Absolutely HORRIBLE call (as well as the rule in general)! When the officials inject themselves into the flow of the game, they need to be reprimanded!
Yes, the UGA offense waas awful for most of the game. Yes, LSU made the plays to win. But in college football, MOMENTUM is everything, and that official took the momentum away from UGA and gave it to LSU. UGA made the plays needed to take the lead, but then the official burst their bubble, and the D let them down after 59 minutes of outstanding play. So you don’t think momentum matters???

All you people who say it was UGA’s lack of dicipline are idiots! It is not lack of discipline to be ecstatic and want to celebrate with your team mates when the team has just taken the lead with just over a minute left. It is called enthusiasm and passion. We want that, right? What’s the matter with some of you people??

dawgfan

October 5th, 2009
12:25 pm

Someone mentioned that LSU’s Holliday caught the kickoff following the BS celebration call inside their own 15 and said it was a good kick. So, if GA’s kicker was on the 30, what happens then? With the same kick, Holliday would have been in his own endzone. Does he bring it out or take the touchback? Not trying to make excuses because GA did not play well in the first half which is all on GA. However, I think it is obvious that the penalty affected the starting position for LSU and thus their play calling on their final possesion. Big difference for offense and defense strategy in that situation.

Exscuse makers-Insert whining and excuse here

October 5th, 2009
12:27 pm

Just tackle Holliday on the kickoff return or just tackle Scott on the td run. What’s the problem? I’m flat out amazed that dawg fans blame the game on a 15 yard penalty when Scott would have ran another 5 yards IF the Georgia db would have been able to tackle him. LSU would just have had a first down between the 5 and 10 yard line and either scored a td from there or just kicked a long extra point to win. You guys boggle the mind. You got dominated the whole game and you somehow blame the loss on one 15 yard penalty? Never mind Holliday’s return or Charles Scott barreling down the sideline. I guess those 2 plays had nothing to do with LSU winning. You guys are just unbelievable to think a team that only got 274 yds total offense should have won that game. Unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vince

October 5th, 2009
12:27 pm

Hey Barnhardt and UGA fans0

Quit f____ing crying. This rule is in place because of the boneheaded crap UGA pulled against FLA a couple years ago. Plain and simple. Besides, LSU had the same penalty called on them. Difference was they stopped you. I can’t see what the crying is about to begin with….hell he would have just ran for another 15 yards. What a bunch of tards.

buzz is wiser

October 5th, 2009
12:27 pm

Tony, i think the problem is in your beloved SEC. I love the fact that your dawgs lost but the call was a bad one, although we don’t know what Green said. If you remember last year UGA-Tech game after Morgan Burnett intercepted Staffords pass and returned it for a TD he put both hands in the air and nothing was called, ACC refs. Everytime Dwyer scores he points to the crowd again no flag. I watch my share of both ACC and SEC games and that penalty seems to occur more in your SEC Tony. Another issue is, maybe he was lying, but how is it that Richt has not spoken to his start WR about what he did that cost his team the game. Even if it was nothing the conversation should have taken place.

monty

October 5th, 2009
12:28 pm

AS I was watching the game I was saying to myself “OK good job now hurry and get off the field before you get called for excessive celebration or whatever.” ANd Green’s on players were the ones who kept mugging him. Now did I see anything out of the usual that you won’t see in any college game especially given the moment late in the game when your team had been behind all day and you finally snatch away the lead? No!! Nobody in all of college football draws more attention to himself than Tim Tebow. Just watch him in a big game and it’s close and let a play go Florida’s way and watch his antics. And I say this as an admirer of how he plays the game. But he gets away with serveal of those calls every season!

Andy

October 5th, 2009
12:28 pm

It’s time to eliminate Tony B from covering UGA football. He’s too irrational and biased.

Muscledawg

October 5th, 2009
12:28 pm

Again for all of you haters of Ga, please show me what AJ did to get the penalty. ????????????
What—————- that is right, you can’t!
What Orson did, maybe and he was penalized and we overcame and scored!
But for all of you other re-tards that believe he did something, please get off of the PIPE!

Joshua

October 5th, 2009
12:31 pm

I want to challenge someone to found a time when the “Almighty” himself Timothy Tebow has been called for excessive celebration for doing his now famous “arm flap” gesture every time he carries the damn ball………………I can think of NONE. People can say that Georgia fans are whining about one penalty all they want. But anyone that is a student of the game can tell you that, yes……Football can be won on just one play or one blown call. And had Georgia not gotten screwed on the Orson Charles, and AJ Green excessive celebration calls, the Dawgs would have just beaten the #4 team in the nation and would have improved to 4-1…….and who says Referees can’t control the complexity of a game.

Mark M

October 5th, 2009
12:32 pm

The ref threw the flag as Green was running by him being mugged. I guarantee it was something Green said. You could see green’s mouth moving so he was shouting something. The ref should come out and say that’s what it was.

Muscledawg

October 5th, 2009
12:32 pm

This rule is in because of Miami celebrating years ago you retards not because of the GA-uf game 2 years ago. You people are so stupid and always twist the truth to help your cause. There should be a taunting foul not a celebration penalty!

Ross

October 5th, 2009
12:33 pm

The first time I have ever agreed with Tony B. and I am anti Bulldogs…that was a HORRIFIC call. Tony you are a homer though, BIG TIME!!!

Buzz

October 5th, 2009
12:35 pm

Go back to Athens! ATL is for the Jackets, son!

Creegah

October 5th, 2009
12:35 pm

Players are supposed to act like they have been there before and not act like idiots when something good happens. Think of how Herschel Walker or Jim Brown or Frank Gifford or Raymond Berry acted when they scored. Like circus clowns? I think not.

DirtyDawg

October 5th, 2009
12:36 pm

My how times have changed…was a time when a ref called a ‘mystery’ fumble on Jasper, we could get his butt fired. Now we have to rely on Tony B’s blog to get the fight started. Obviously this Dog was upset about the call, but this Dog also knows we’ve got the poorest kickoff coverage in existence. Doesn’t seem to matter where we kick it (unless it’s a touchback) the returner generally runs twenty-plus yards before anybody in red even comes into the picture…what’s up with that?

Hopefully, the guys will take the positives from this game and play their rear-ends off in Knoxville next Saturday – all we need is to give Kiffin something to strut about.

Paul is a Johnson

October 5th, 2009
12:37 pm

Neither call should have been made. All you UGA haters saying we should have been able to stop LSU after that must not have been closely watching the game. (”what would Scott not run another 15 yards? Would he just fall down”) If LSU doesn’t get the penalty they are starting on their side of the field. They would not have had the luxury to run the football and try to kill clock for a game winning FG. LSU would have had to go to the air which was ineffective for them in the 2nd half and would have risked getting sacked for a 7th time. Don’t tell me we lost it in the first half when LSU dominated. The D kept it close and Cox gave us a chance to win in the end. When UGA got the “make up” call we still had to drive the field for a TD not a FG which is a world of difference. One last thing to all the haters. Had this call gone against your team you would have the same complaints as everyone here. One last way you really know it was a bad call. Both May and Holtz on ESPN who never have a good thing to say about the UGA program agreed we got wronged!

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
12:38 pm

We didn’t have as many penalties as usual so the guys did play it close to the vest and with a lot more discipline than usual. Especially with it being a big game with a lot of emotion involved. So give them the kudos for that.

What stands out is the 45 yards rushing total. 33 of them by Ealey. Longest run of the day was 8 yards. I am more p!ssed about that than any penalties called. 45 yards rushing? WTF.

mr bodine

October 5th, 2009
12:39 pm

Vince,

Like I said, you are an idiot. The difference was MOMENTUM. As someone (with an actual brain) said earlier, the players are the ones who are supposed to create momentum, NOT OFFICIALS.
So are you saying that because of what happened in the FL – UGA game a couple of years ago that the call Saturday was legitimate? Because if so, then you are both an idiot and stupid.
Nobody knows what would have happened if the ref had not STOLEN the momentum from UGA and given it to LSU, and that is a shame. It is not a matter of excuses, it is a matter of accountability for the refs. Just being a UGA hater is no reason to show how stupid you are.

Bill Goldberg

October 5th, 2009
12:40 pm

Ramble On, one of these days I’m gonna find you and we’re gonna have a talk, sucker.

69 Dawg

October 5th, 2009
12:42 pm

I’ll bet we won’t see that official again this year in the SEC. The real flag should have been thrown on Willie Martinez and Fabris for poor quality coaching. Why in the world can’t CMR see and admit there
is a coaching problem at UGA. Unranked, second or third in team receiving votes, in the last five percent in most defensive catagories, no rushing, no passion, no fire, no intensity. Why not change the coaches.

ghost dawg

October 5th, 2009
12:44 pm

I can’t believe these idiots. Ga won the game and the refs took it away. This isn’t the first time.. I’m sick of hearing how Ga’s defense didn’t stop them and thats why they lost the game.. The refs lost it. How many times in football. college and pro, where there was a bad call that cheated a team then it was followed by a big one by the other team? I’m seen it many times even in tennis. When you make the winning play you shouldn’t have to turn around and do it again. All you morons talking about how bad Ga is, why are you on our blog? Surely if your team is so good they must have one of their own. You must know that to beat Ga you need the refs to cheat.

Bill

October 5th, 2009
12:45 pm

Enter your comments here

Call a delay of game. Assess the penalty on the PAT (where it belongs), unless it is taunting. If it’s taunting then call it.

BilJac

October 5th, 2009
12:46 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Excessive celebration penalty is Vince Dooley’s sharp idea. Came after the Miami win in the Cotton bowl back in the early 90’s.

Vince

October 5th, 2009
12:46 pm

Paul is a Johnson and you other babies-

Well, just keep crying you little b****. It isn’t gonna change anything and it’s amusing to watch anyway.

Cry babby

October 5th, 2009
12:47 pm

Stop crying JB.Its was a good call and the best team won.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
12:48 pm

Bill, damn that just sounds too easy and reasonable. What would everybody have to b!tch about then?

Robert08

October 5th, 2009
12:48 pm

I just wonder why this penalty is never called on Tebow … he’s always drawing attention to himself.

NCDawg

October 5th, 2009
12:49 pm

I couldn’t agree with you more.Although Georgia has no one to blame but themselves for subsequently screwing up the kickoff coverage to allow LSU even better fieldposition, the refs wereclearly out ofline. Something should be done for the better of all the teams (not just Georgia). And the crew that called the game should be severely reprimanded for making what I agree is one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen.

Jefferson

October 5th, 2009
12:51 pm

Too bad for the team, you UGA fans are funny, I can’t stop laughing. Get a new crew for UT, more to your liking.

Lighten’ up Francis

savannahdawg

October 5th, 2009
12:51 pm

Yes the call was total BS but remember one call does not make a game. We sucked! Period. The offensive line can’t block. The running backs go down at the first touch and have no heart! Cox is starting to force the ball into bad situations. When we need a big play, we don’t get it. Remember the missed field goal? That didn’t help! The secondary can’t stop a pass,

Time for these coaches to put a stop to this and crack down on these kids. Who is running the team here? Enough of this crap! This team does not look like or play like Florida or Alabama! Can’t be a top program if you are not going to play like it. You punks are not playing like it at all!

I can handle losing when we play tough as hell for 60 minutes. But that just isn’t happening. CMR………enough of this nice crap………step up……..man up! Your job is not to have all the kids love you………..your job is to win! They don’t need to like you to win…….

savannahdawg

October 5th, 2009
12:53 pm

Thank goodness we have AJ or this team would be 0-5!!!! Seriously!

Sobe

October 5th, 2009
12:57 pm

Tony you HOMER, getting all caught up in the kool aid hype! Shame on you.

Big Earl

October 5th, 2009
12:57 pm

The SEC officiating committee is to blame for the horendous call against Ga. Sat. I’d say 90% of the official’s come from vey tragic circumstances. Poor family life, under eduacated, out of shape, suffer from nunerous social diseases that has permanently effected their eyesight. They are already “mentally challenged “just to find the right stadium and show up on time so that by the time they grt there they are exausted. Like my Dad used to say ” don’t send a retarded blind kid to do a man’s job”.

LaMikeBellottis

October 5th, 2009
12:58 pm

That call was HORRENDOUS!!! Agreed the call at the end against LSU was a make up call, which makes the original error that much more egregious. Both were horrible, and both determined the outcome of the game.

Ed

October 5th, 2009
12:58 pm

Possibly the only thing worse than the excessive celebration penalty agaisnt Georgia was the subsequent phantom penalty called against LSU. As soon as the LSU back scored, my brother (who, like me is a lifelong Georgia fan) predicted that a similar penalty would be called against LSU as a “makeup call”, regardless of what any of the LSU players actually did. Sure enough, the flag was thrown after a celebration that was every bit as routine as Georgia’s. That makes it a total farce. Bad rule, and bad use of discretion shown by the refs.

The Orson Charles penalty was also complete nonsense, but I’ll give the ref a little bit of credit for trying to warn Charles before he threw the hanky. Charles should not have ignored the ref (if he even heard him). But hey, he’s a kid who just made a huge play in front of 90,000 cheering fans and he didn’t do anything outrageous, so that would have been a good non-call. It’s time to get some sanity back into the game (even if we remain stuck with an incoherent BCS system).

PHIL

October 5th, 2009
12:59 pm

After the game, Kevin Butler says on the post game show that he can document a tremendous spike in penalties of all kinds against Georgia in SEC games since the excessive celebration penalty against UF season before last. The head of the SEC officials is a gator and Butler questioned the integrity of the SEC officials time and time again and says he can document it. The other guy on the broadcast kept trying to drag him away from the subject but he kept coming back to it. I’d love to know if Butler was reprimanded by anyone for bashing the refs publicly. Actually he was beyond bashing them. He questioned their integrity over and over. Just found that interesting.

Also to the point of the penalty influencing the out come of the game, obviously it did for field position reasons and it also made it much easier to have a big return. The retards who keep saying that last run would have just been longer because he would have never fell down are the ones who know nothing about the sport and I wish weren’t allowed to post. If they had been in their own territory, not already in field goal range trying to run the clock out, that hand off never would have been made. They would have been passing the ball and we all know how that went for them the second half. I truly wish there was a rule that would prohibit the right to post on public forums if your IQ isn’t larger than your shoe size.

As far as penalties go, the other one that killed us was the no call of the blatant hold of the tight end in the end zone. A call would have changed the game dramatically.

HBTD

October 5th, 2009
12:59 pm

Tony – You’re right on with your plea to change/eliminate the rule as well as your observation that no one realized it had even happened. I was at the game and had no idea the penalty had been called until I saw UGA lining up on the 15.

It didn’t necessarily cost UGA the game, but kicking the ball to Trendon Holiday at the 17 yard line did.

IMO. The game should have played out with UGA kicking off from the 30 yard line to someone other that Holiday. Then let LSU try to move the ball 40/50 yards in a minute with 2 timeouts to get into position to kick a winning FG. That’s how the game should have ended.

North GA Nole

October 5th, 2009
1:03 pm

Considering the fact that I’ve seen this one way too many times this year because my team is so bad, I ABSOLUTELY HATE the overzealous 1st Down gesture that players do. I think it’s taunting and I hate taunting. I know, I know, coming from a Nole fan. And we haven’t had much to taunt about the last few years. But, get rid of excessive celebration and go back to a No Taunting rule. I believe the difference is much more stringent but goes to the heart of sportsmanship.

robodawg

October 5th, 2009
1:05 pm

I have seen this penalty called WAY too many times in the SEC, at the worst time in the game, for questionable reasons. If they keep the rule, it’s got to be consistent, and it’s got to be flagged with total restraint. It should only be called where a player absolutely makes the official call it. Diving into the endzone, taunting the other team, dunking on the goalposts, chicken dances and things like that. Who cares if a player points to their own fans?!

SEC officials are the worst at imposing themselves on a game.

Paul is a Johnson

October 5th, 2009
1:08 pm

For Vince. No crying here. Just pointing out that it took us away from what we were doing best as a defense in the second half which was wrecking havoc on the LSU quarterback. The call enabled them to run instead of throw. Now to be fair as a UGA fan that has watched this defense all year long we might not have been able to stop LSU if they started on their own 20. I would have liked our chances knowing they had to throw much like they knew we had to throw on the last drive resulting in a pick. So call people b****** and babies if you want but why don’t you save that and bring something of value to the blog. If not then go back to the Tech one.

Vince

October 5th, 2009
1:09 pm

Well Kevin Butler is a UGA product, and is well versed at crying and blaming the refs, fans, weather, etc on the outcome of a game. Same ol’ same ol with UGA. If they get a favorable call you won’t hear them say it…but if they think there is one against them they cry like a bunch of fat ladies.

Hey UGA…get over it. You’re not a good team. You’re out of the top 25. You’re IRRELEVANT!

WHAT?

October 5th, 2009
1:09 pm

Oh for the day where a player makes a play and heads back to the sideline or the huddle. This self-centered celebrate every little thing I do mentality is full of it. Georgia got what they deserved. They couldn’t move the ball for 1/2 the game.

Of for the days of Dick Butkus – totally demolish the opponent, get up and do it again. Celebrate after the game is over! What a bunch of puerile garbage – find something real to write about!

UGA ALL THE WAY

October 5th, 2009
1:10 pm

It just ABSOLUTELY PI$$es me off that UGA is working SOOOO hard with what they got and having to deal with a DC like Martinez to get screwed over like that AGAIN with bad officiating… I agree, it was till the end a GREAT game, for UGA to hold LSU like that and not let them score till like less than 2 minutes left, that call HAD to mess with them and LSU took advantage of the PI$$ POOR officiating

MagnaCarterGT

October 5th, 2009
1:11 pm

I agree that this rule needs to go. It’s frustrating seeing the zebras flag players for simply being excited after scoring a TD. It cost Washington a shot at overtime last year, it may have cost the dawgs the game against LSU, and even when it just costs a team 15 yards – like it did at the GT-UNC game, when Nesbitt saluted after scoring the last TD and was flagged for it – it’s frustrating for the fans and the players. It’s got to go.

AZ Jacket

October 5th, 2009
1:11 pm

In the words of the great Emmitt Smith, when scoring a touchdown act like you have been there before….place the ball on the ground or hand it to an official. Tony, how hard is that to coach. Maybe we should do away with the block in the back rule while we are at it. It is sometime subjective and has certainly cost many teams a victory. Learn to play within the rules or be penalized. Simple as that.

Wishful Thinking

October 5th, 2009
1:12 pm

The pups had 60 minutes to win Tony- you are the bigggest homer ever. Blog about underachieving in Athens; the dawgs had been incredibly lucky against South Carolina and Arizona State to pull out a win. Luck eventually runs out.

Shananeeeeee Fananeeeeeeeeee

October 5th, 2009
1:13 pm

Dawgs still lose without the penalty, LSU kicks field goal to win. Both those teams are piss poor anyway, LSU comes back to reality on Saturday night. They could barely score on the Dawgs defense, they sure are not going to be able to put up a lot of points against one of the best defenses in college football. A defensive unit that is averaging 7 points allowed this season and if you say they have not played anyone yet this is the same D from last year. A defense that held UGA to 10, Bama to 20 at the Dome, and 14 to Oklahoma in the National Title Game.

Chris

October 5th, 2009
1:14 pm

Tony, you mention the call against the Florida player earlier this season. I was at that game, and I think the occurrence perfectly illustrates the inconsistency in enforcing the rule. When Jaye Howard made the “traveling call” gesture, referee Penn Wagers was right next to him. I watched him push through Howard’s teammates to get to him and tell him to stop. He was not going to throw a flag. He was simply going to warn him. However, the line judge, from a lot farther away, saw the same thing Wagers did and threw a flag. Maybe in order to back up his fellow ref, Wagers called unsportsmanlike conduct.

Two refs see the exact same thing, and have completely opposite reactions. There’s the problem in a nutshell. It’s too subjective.

BAMA STAN

October 5th, 2009
1:14 pm

12 NATIONAL TITLES – 21 SEC TITLES!!!

UGA got hosed.

When the flag was thrown – I called my bulldog buddy and told him they had just lost the game. Momentum shift to LSU – all they needed was a fieldgoal – but hey, UGA special teams and defense reared their head – LSU scores a touchdown.

UGA should have covered the kick better – and played better defense. Yes – the penalty shifted momemtun to LSU – but UGA had the opportunity to stop LSU and did not.

At the end of the day – LSU won – UGA lost – the penalty is only a footnote.

For all the BAMA STAN bashers out there – my predictions and arguements I made about UGA slipping back to the pack and being a mid-level team are true.

I stated that UGA had a stiff back in Samuel – runs too upright and fumbles – Caleb King runs like he is afraid to get hurt.

I also mentioned that defensively – UGA is athletic – but is just not the same under the current defensive coaching staff.

Also – I mentioned that UGA is mediocre on special teams – specifically kickoff covereage – just horrible.

Also mentioned that UGA has too many penalties. MR says he is not concerned. WOW!!! SABAN absolutely chews butt on penalties – and so does Paul Johnson. Well – guess which two programs have passed UGA in the mirror.

In two short years – ALABAMA has blown by UGA. In his first year – Paul Johnson and GT’s program has passed UGA. It’s not about stadium size and stars by a recruits name – it’s about continuous improvement and results on the field) For several years now – UGA has been sloppy and undisciplined.

As a result – it has caught up – UGA is a mid-pack SEC team and will be fighting for a winning record this year – and probably next year as well.

Current record: 3-2
Probable wins: VANDY, TN TECH
50/50: TN / KY
Probable losses: FLORIDA, AUBURN, GA TECH

UGA no better than 7-5 this year – could be 6-6.

After this deflating loss – UGA will struggle in Knoxville. UGA really needs to pull it together to win this game. An upset in the making?
UT has won 3 of last 5 games – they win this – it will be 4 of last 6 games – and yet another team has passed UGA as a program.

Your program is in trouble – the fans know it.

UGA can still get this turned around with a win in Knoxville – and a win in Nashville.

Hope the ship get’s turned around – HOPE UGA beats TN and AUBURN!

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!!!

zino

October 5th, 2009
1:14 pm

It was a pathetic, game changing call.

I think the ref had some money on the line. It was that bad of a call.

VAdawg

October 5th, 2009
1:16 pm

Yes, the entire loss cannot be blamed on the officials. But this whole talk of “georgia didn’t deserve to win/LSU was clearly the better team” is simply ludicrous. Yes, georgia ’s offense played awful for the first half, but the defense played lights out and gave us a chance to win. In the third quarter, the dogs dominated. In the 4th, it was pretty even. You cannot honestly argue that LSU was “clearly the better team.” They did however, cover a huge kickoff and we did not. As a georgia fan, I admit that we lost this game on our own. But you cannot argue that the call did not have a significant impact on the outcome.

Sobe

October 5th, 2009
1:16 pm

Wishful Thinking, add ARK to that list as well!

Gratefuldawghead

October 5th, 2009
1:18 pm

The Refs were WORKING for the #1 Florida and #4 LSU matchup this week!

Chris

October 5th, 2009
1:18 pm

Look at the bright side you UGA idiots.

MSU played LSU tigher than ya’ll did..and deserved to win their game moreso. Maybe ya’ll would have only lost by a field goal to Mississippi St?

law dawg

October 5th, 2009
1:19 pm

no, scott would not have magically fallen down 15 yards early had that penalty not been called – that’s missing the point though. the call changed the play calling of both teams on the next drive. i doubt LSU would have been running the ball up the gut had they been pinned back on the kickoff (possibly a touchback) without those 15 yards. i doubt uga would have been crowding the line like they were if lsu was not already on the verge, if not in, field goal range down by 1.

the call changed the rest of the game, and it was uncalled for. uga still had chances to make other plays throughout the game and didn’t, and lsu might have still won without the call – but we’ll never know, and THAT’s a shame.

Wishful Thinking

October 5th, 2009
1:19 pm

Yep forgot ARK. UGA could not stop LSU on the last drive. End of story.

BubbaDaBaller

October 5th, 2009
1:20 pm

Any rule that allows the Zebra Clad Whistle Blowers to bring attention to themselves needs to be addressed…

GeorgeinBama

October 5th, 2009
1:20 pm

To the sportswriter and bloggers: quit crying, when you have 1 first down in a half, you deserve to lose. Think that refs should start calling excess celebrating on every play. Players today act like they never made a TD or sack before. Give the ball to the ref. & go to the sideline & celbrate with your teammates. Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Bear Bryant and others wouldn’t stand for it.

AU

October 5th, 2009
1:22 pm

Tennessee 21, Auburn 20

Nice pic Tony, you should stick to mis-picking your GA bulldog’s games.

P-Man

October 5th, 2009
1:22 pm

OK, I want to make to point out that the call impacted the game in 2 ways. First, Walsh kicked off about about 75 yards, and the ball came down around the 10, which the LSU guy returned about 50 yards. If Walsh kicks off from the 30, that ball comes down about 5 yards deep, and is probably not returned. Ist and 10 on the 20, we have a different ballgame. Second, yes, Scott could have run for 200 yards on their last play because the entire Dawg defense sold out to stop the run at the line of scrimmage, to keep LSU from getting closer to a field goal attempt. How many times have you seen a long touchdown run on 4th and short? Hundreds. Once Scott broke the initial tackle, there was no one left to stop him. If they run this play from the 48 instead of the 33 (or anywhere else on the field), UGA is playing a completey different defense, wit a different result. Was this the ONLY factor in the game? Of course not. And those of you who think that is what Dawg fans are saying are morons. The whole point is that the OFFICIALS should not determine the outcome of the game. That should be left up to the players. On a JUDGEMENT call like this, it can have a huge impact, especially on a borderline call like this one.

Roll Tide Roll

October 5th, 2009
1:24 pm

The call was bad but LSU dominated and were held back by their dumb coach. The only person who does less with more than Les Miles is Mark Richt. Get used to it.

Tony is a Homer

October 5th, 2009
1:24 pm

At least you admit to be a homer now — and a whinner. Please drop the name Mr. College Football. You are a total embarrassment.

crimson pride

October 5th, 2009
1:25 pm

like big al said, just look at those stats.

who’s the sec bottom-feeding bulldogs now.

GaryWarDamnEagle

October 5th, 2009
1:26 pm

Tony Barnhardt is nothing but a UGA apologist. Nothing more.

TrueCrimson

October 5th, 2009
1:26 pm

I don’t like this celebration rule in general and I agree that the rule was not applied properly in this particular game.

That said, Georgia clearly has a team discipline problem. I have often felt that lack of discipline has been overused by fans as an excuse for lack of talent on their football team. LSU didn’t bring that much more talent to the field in this game. They simply played harder than Georgia. Maybe the dubious penalty calls decided the final outcome, maybe they didn’t, but this game is not the only one in which Georgia has hurt themselves with their attitude and behavior on the field. This is an issue that Coach Richt needs to address. Penalties aren’t the only undesirable outcome that can result from undisciplined behavior on the field of play. Georgia gives the appearance of relying too heavily upon emotion as motivation to execute. Emotion will always be a part of the game, but it should never be counted on as the primary motivational factor.

LESD

October 5th, 2009
1:27 pm

Yes, I’m a Georgia fan, but this rule is damaging college football. I’d be saying the same thing if it had happened to Tech. LSU deserved to win. They never gave up. They made plays when they had to. No disrespect intended toward them in any way.

But it is time for a return to common sense.

Sobe

October 5th, 2009
1:28 pm

SEC West>SEC East (FL is the only team that is even legit)

lvilledawg

October 5th, 2009
1:29 pm

To those that say this call did not change the outcome of the game, you are right. This was not he determining factor for the victory, but let’s think about that for a moment. Moving the kick off back 15 yards all but eliminates the chances of a touchback. Meaning the electric Holliday would not have the chance to return the kick. Having the ball at the 20 instead of beyond the 50 not only changes the defense but the offense as well. Going 45+ yard to attempt a field goal in 1 minute is different than starting in field goal territory.

yellowjacket82

October 5th, 2009
1:29 pm

Bad call, but UGA should have lost by a couple of touchdowns. UGA is better than that…a very poor performance.

Why not just tackle Holiday and Charles Scott?

October 5th, 2009
1:29 pm

Why blame it on a single penalty and ignore tackling Holiday and Scott? Why didn’t you just stop these 2 guys?

And the crickets go Chirp! Chirp! Chirp.

274 total yards offense and u think u shoulda won?

October 5th, 2009
1:31 pm

U guys got to be kidding? LSU dominated you. End of story punks.

BigMike Said.....

October 5th, 2009
1:31 pm

I’m an Golden Gopher from Athens, grew up there a Gladiator (CCHS), have been a lifelong dog fan, but took my skills up north to play. Never in my life have I seen such a pathetic call in college football. You have grown men on Sundays celebrating after every little sack or touchdown, but you can’t let teenagers love the moment. That call, know matter what others say on this blog (and many ain’t saying crap) that changed the outcome. Anyone that knows the game, knows that was an emotional moment that is as sacred as the game itself. The call against Charles Scott was an aboration to try and balance out what was the poorest call in college football this year, and maybe ever. Tony if you would start deleting some of these morons off the blog, we could have real football discussions. These Turds that are blogging know absolutely nothing about football, and are clearly wasting time here. Great article! Whether you’re UGA or not, one must admit that will go down as one of the worst calls in college fooball ever!! P.S. you C.C. Gladiators need to get your swagga back. We played for championships not just to say we were on the team.

FloridaDawg

October 5th, 2009
1:32 pm

Whoever called the penalty on AJ Green AND the LSU player for excessive celebration should just quit.
The SPIRIT of the game WAS stolen by the ref who called the game.
All the gas, all the money spent, baby sitters looked for, beer drank…all of it and more…soen the drain because of a dumb arse call.

Exscuse makers-Insert whining and excuse here

October 5th, 2009
1:33 pm

The excuse machine is in high gear. First all of the excuses over losing by 14 to Okay state. And now this even though Holliday and Charles Scott ran wild. Unfreakingbelieavable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why didn’t you stop Scott? LSU looked like they didn’t even need those 15 yards. Are you kidding? Scott looked like he was going to run to the Atlantic ocean!

Archie

October 5th, 2009
1:36 pm

I’m not a fan of either team, but I absolutely agree that there this rule needs to be taken out of the books. I don’t buy the “serving the greater good of the game” argument either, that’s BS logic. Football is the only sport that has a rule for excessive celebration, nobody complains when Alex Ovechkin throws himself in the glass after he scores a goal, nobody complains when a Green Bay Packer lobs himself into the crowd for a Lambeau Leap. Penalties exist in football to keep people from getting hurt, nobody is getting hurt by a player celebrating. Enough already, outcomes of games are being changed because of factors that have nothing to do with players on the field. Football’s rulebook has gotten very cloudy and ambiguous in the first place, and this rule just adds one more unnecessary factor into the games.

BigMike Said.....

October 5th, 2009
1:36 pm

Sobe, Ithink like LSU won nat’l titles in 2003, and 2007, Georgia finshed # 2 in the country, and about 35% of the NFL Is from the SEC makes us legit. You Big Dummy!!

Blackberry Cobbler

October 5th, 2009
1:36 pm

Yes, the call hurt. But blame UGA for making it much worse than it had to be by sloppy @$$ kick coverage AGAIN and the additional penalty of illegal formation on the kickoff. Both just dumb-@$$ mistakes.

CB712

October 5th, 2009
1:36 pm

Enter your comments hereI do not like Florida but respect Tim Tebow and his ability, but have we ever seen a flag thrown on him for his many chest pumps and motions to the crowds after some of his runs? Just a terrible rule that truly effected the game. Totally different play calling by LSU if they have to start that drive from their own 20 with 1:00 in the game!! If they take it 80 yards and win, then they deserve the victory, but we will never know if they could have done that.

Exscuse makers-Insert whining and excuse here

October 5th, 2009
1:37 pm

Big Mike is a little sissy.

Waaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!! The worst call ever? U gots to be kidding.

Hey Sissy Mike,

Why didn’t you just shut down Trindon Holliday or Charles Scott? Answer that question tough guy. Stop them and you win the game. Why not just stop them and forget about this 15 yard nonsense. What is your freaking excuse for not stopping them? What is it BEYOTCH????????????????????????

Clean up this blog

October 5th, 2009
1:40 pm

I’m neither a UGA or a Tech fan, but this blog is full of some really bad representatives of their respective fan bases…especially from Tech fans. Gees guys….stop all of the crap and have an adult-like discussion about what the article is about instead of all of this adolescent-like ripping of one another.

Gov Clinton Tyree

October 5th, 2009
1:40 pm

I’m a Florida fan, and I’m still waiting to see something that A.J. Green did that could be construed as “excessive celebration”. May have cost the Dawgs the game.

Didn’t like the call/non-call sequence in the FL/TN game, either.

I like the taunting idea. And that’s what needs to be called, and an excessive celebration can be construed as taunting. Shame the Dawgs got called for that.

As Justice Potter Stewart might say, “I know it when I see it.” What AJ Green did – that wasn’t it.

Ed

October 5th, 2009
1:40 pm

Because of where I live I get to see a lot of Big XII games on TV and I attend an occasional Conf. USA game. There’s no doubt that SEC officials make calls that are not made in other conferences. There’s a history of this kind of thing, and it’s not just a problem with Georgia.

Although I like the result, one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen occured a few years back in a UF-Tenn. game. A Tennessee corner slapped a UF receiver’s facemask, with the referee staring right at him. The UF player retaliated with what can best be described as a girly slap, and he was the one tagged with a 15-yard penalty that ultimately gave Tennessee the chance to win the game with a long field goal.

Come to think of it, the Big XII has had it’s moments. After the Michael Crabtree TD that beat Texas, Texas Tech players and fans rushed the field thinking the game was over (the clock showed 0:01). Instead of hitting TTU with a 15 yard penalty, they were penalized back to the 7 for the kickoff. If something fluky had happened, like a kickoff out of bounds, then Texas could have lined up for a 54-yard field goal to win the game. The officials in that game could have used some restraint and common sense, assess ONE 15-yard penalty, and go from there. Common sense seems to be in short supply with the game at the moment.

BigMike Said.....

October 5th, 2009
1:41 pm

Excuse Maker, where did you play ball? No Moron State Doesn’t field a team, and your blog is unfreaking beleivable Di%k He@d !!

BigMike Said.....

October 5th, 2009
1:46 pm

Excuse Maker I’ll gaurantee your a dirt sucking homo who knows nothing about real football, but come to think of it the punks always thought they knew more than the players, Sissssssssssy!

Acworth Dawg

October 5th, 2009
1:48 pm

I think ya’ll are missing the point. The point is that this rule should be re-written. Georgia and LSU are just the latest schools to have to go throught these stuff. I don’t remember who they were playing last year to Washington QB got called for the same thing and the same amount of coverage and bad mouthing the rule went on after that call as well. If memory serves me correctly, there was a similar call against Vandy a few years back at the end of a game where they had a chance to take down Florida. SO IT HAPPENS EVERWHERE.

This game was just the latest. Did Georgia lose becuase of the call? No. Did LSU win becuase of the call? No. But why should something so judgmental be the topic of discussion?

I will say this, that call took every bit of emotion out of the team and the fans. You could feel it in the stadium just get suck out. And that should never be caused by officials. Let the kids play! And we all should remember what we were like when were 18 to 21 years old.

Stu

October 5th, 2009
1:49 pm

Effin politically-correct academic-ivory-tower BS. Bunch of wussy-bearded ultra-liberal professors lording over football. Damm penalty derived from the throat-slashing thigger move. That’s all that needed to be addressed. Now, it’s diving into the end zone. Gimme a break. Bunch of over-reaching government-like control freaks.

Randy

October 5th, 2009
1:50 pm

This was a bad call. You must know the intent of the rule to apply it correctly but the problem is the rule. We need to do one of two things.
1. Have a rule for celebration with a 5 yard penalty and a 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration. 2. Have a simple rule after TD drop the ball and go directly to sideline then celebrate all you want.

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
1:50 pm

if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if….

and IF Lee doesn’t throw 2 pick sixes last year our game goes in to overtime tied 38-38….yeah right

The better team won in Tiger Stadium a year ago and the better won between the hedges on Saturday.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
1:56 pm

Techfan53

Did you watch the game?

Before the 33 yard run SCOTT had 18 carries for only 61 yards

That seems like they stopped him pretty well my friend

Georgia’s Defense also had 7 sacks

Lewis Buzzard

October 5th, 2009
1:59 pm

Tony
I respect your analysyis, but if this is the single worst call you have seen in the last three decades, that smacks of favortism. Yes it was a horrible call but I have seen many as unfair as the call on Green. Do you remember the hit on Tyrod Taylor by Taylor Cooper last year to basically strip tech of a potential huge victory over Va Tech. I am sure that if you talk to any fan on the street you will get the same type rebuttal.

Bibble

October 5th, 2009
2:02 pm

Part of the problem is that no one understands why the call is made in certain situations and not in others. I don’t recall a penalty after the Green-to-Johnson catch and celebration at Auburn in ‘02. We were celebrating pretty good then, weren’t we? Tebow flaps his arms, prays, and generally draws plenty of attention to himself everytime UF scores without getting these kind of penalties. It’s arbitrary.

ReptilesRule

October 5th, 2009
2:03 pm

Am I actually seeing some UGA fans complaining about Tebow on this subject?? What in the World does Tebow have to do with that call Saturday vs LSU?? You idiots just won’t leave it alone, will you?? Well, I can tell you one thing you CAN blame on Tebow…the buttkickin’ you’re gonna get on Holloween! What a bunch of pathetic losers!

Brogen's Hero

October 5th, 2009
2:05 pm

St Simons can you ever have a comment other than a score. Somebody most have dropped your erector set on your head. Go play in the tech blogs, you loser.

tony is right

October 5th, 2009
2:06 pm

Refs are killing the game. You cant hit a QB if he is outside if the hash, you cant block a punt for fear of catching the punter’s toe nail, you cant even smile after a touch down. where does it end?

Anonymous

October 5th, 2009
2:09 pm

Id personally like to dropkick those refs in the forehead!!

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
2:09 pm

coach smith,

Ah you return, and yet no comment about where Holliday caught the ball. Shocker….

Also, check your facts before you call me a moron. 70 yds on a kick is totally reasonable. Try this math:

- Kickoff from the 30 yd. line to midfield = 20 yards
- Distance from midfield to the end zone = 50 yards

What’s 50+20? Come to think of it, don’t you guys gripe about Walsh not putting it into the endzone? How can you possibly expect him to kick it 70+ yds when that’s so unreasonable to propose?

I take it you’re no longer coaching huh?

mmmmmm tater salad

October 5th, 2009
2:10 pm

Does anyone believe the refs would have called excessive celebration on TEBOW in that scenario saturday??? HELLLLS NO

Jim

October 5th, 2009
2:13 pm

Tony, I agree it was a bad call, but it was not the worst. That was the TD call for Florida in Neyland Stadium you referenced 2-3 weeks ago. It more directly impacted the game outcome and it was equally egregious.

Saturday, GA could have played better defense to save that game. TN had no recourse.

GeorgiaDave

October 5th, 2009
2:14 pm

Worst call in 30 years? Not even the worst call this season. Worst call was in the IN/MI game where they gave the MI defense the ball on a simultaneous catch. However, it was a bad call and anyone who watched the Auburn/TN game saw worse infractions that were not called.

icedawg

October 5th, 2009
2:14 pm

I disagree. I think that the whole thing is childish, that the practice is tolerated in the professional ranks. Guys go beserk for making a play, a tackle, a touchdown, an interception. Hey, they’re only doing what they have been paid to do. Why the celebration? They’re only doing what is expected of them. Team celebration used to be allowed. It was only when it became a spectacle that those who supervise conduct on the field thought that it had gone too far. But in our age of tolerating everything, including bad behaviour, it is not surprising that some just don’t care.

ugafanatic

October 5th, 2009
2:16 pm

BAMA STAN…. Alabama and Georgia tech s programs have passed ours? I did some reasearch 3 out of your last 5 seasons you won 6 games! 6. The last time UGA won 6 games or less was 1996.UGA 6 out of the last 7 years we have had 10 wins or more, Ala 3 times. And 4 of your last 7 years you were 6-7, 6-7, 6-6, and 4-9. When was the last time you won the sec? Uga doesnt lose to teams like lousiana monroe and some of the other shi% teams you have lost to. TECH do I even need to speak about you. I dont even want to waste my time looking up a program that has beat us 1 time in 8 years and thinks they are awesome. You guys suck, I would rather eat shi% than watch option right option left. WIN the ACC then talk.

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
2:18 pm

Reptiles Rule,

I kinda wondered where the Tebow bashing came from myself but it looks like not one but several people morphed from one bad call to Tebow bashing.

I think everyone agrees it was a bad call but to blame the loss on this one penalty is nothing short of absurd. As the jerk up there somewhere posted the dawgs still had chances to stop Trindon Holliday, Charles Scott, etc.

Somehow the fact that the dogs couldn’t stop these guys gets lost in the one bad call. Charles looked like he had another 5 yards if not a lot more so if LSU had never gotten the 15 yard benefit then what does this all matter anyway? Scott would have either scored or at worst LSU would have been in position for a chip shot of a field goal.

I’m amazed that the dawgs think this one call is the whole reason they lost. It seemed to me that LSU was just flat out better and they pushed Georgia around the whole day. The game really shouldn’t have even been close. This is from a Tide fan of course who picked Georgia to win by 2 scores.

randyarnold

October 5th, 2009
2:27 pm

It was a horrendous call, no doubt about it. And officials should let the players play the game. You never see basketball officials make a call when the game is in doubt because they want the contest to be decided by the participants, not somebody with a whistle.
With that being said, ALL players should be reminded of what (I believe) Barry Sanders use to say when he asked why he didn’t have a demonstrative celebration after scoring: “Act like you’ve been there before.”

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
2:27 pm

Jumbeaux tiger,

Congragulations,

It would seem I definitely underestimated LSU and that the mad hatter has a little something up his sleeve. Bad call aside I think your guys put up a dominant performance and looked impressive, especially defensively. Patrick Peterson simply shut down AJ Green whenever he was on him. I wondered why he wasn’t on AJ on that td pass.

Anyway, it looks like the west not only is in a 3 team race but with the quick rise back of Auburn this looks to be a helluva 4 way race in the west. Could be one of those years where the division champ has 2 losses. Still got a lotta great football left. Roll Tide.

Bob B.

October 5th, 2009
2:29 pm

I am no UGA fan either, but I agree that the penalty was uncalled for. Oh, yeah, I am 100% agree with several posters here talking about egoistic Tebow. I am actually sick and tired of hearing about Tebow this, Tebow that.

KOOL & the Gang

October 5th, 2009
2:31 pm

What the hell does Earth Wind & Fire know about celebrating, we wrote the damn song. Everybody.. “There’s party goin’ on right here, a celebrtation to last through out the year, so bring your times and your laughter too, we’re gonna celebrate your party with you ……

We sincerely hope this song sticks in your head today. You know it will. “It’s time to come together, it’s up to you, what’s your pleasure, everybody round the world come on!

Niiiiiiiiiiice

October 5th, 2009
2:32 pm

Dooley on penalizing excess: ‘No question it’s a good rule’

TRANSLATION: Dooley to Mr. Brain-fart:

“Tony, I have already forgotten more about college footbal than
you’ll EVER know. So, just STHU !!!!!!!!!!!”

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
2:42 pm

Mutt Nonsense

actually I addressed that a page or two ago

go back and look at the video PLEASE he did NOT catch it on the 15

UGAKev {true dawg fan}

October 5th, 2009
2:43 pm

Make no mistake about it Georgia will be playing Alabama in december for the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP. Georgia has now found a so running back and AJ Green is the real deal. I think were a more dangerous team now since the pressure is completely off our backs we just need to go out and have fun and the chips will fall where they may. Copy and remember this name when the Dawgs win the SEC east. Washun Ealey is the real deal, too bad it takes a little too long to figure out your most talented players some time. The facts remain the same we need to win the rest of our SEC games, we still control our own destiny. We lost to tennessee in 2007 we looked terrible we were all left for dead. Never give up on the Dawgs as long as they still have a heartbeat.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
2:43 pm

Tide Rising

100 yards recieving and a TD

Yeah AJ GREEN was really “shut down”

wes

October 5th, 2009
2:44 pm

How is that call the worst you’ve seen in 32 years? Giving a team a 5th down is at the very top of the list:

You need to read this article about officiating and how it has only truly changed the course of a game roughly 10 times in the history of sports. THESE are bad plays:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/readers/worstcalls.html

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
2:44 pm

Yeah, I don’t get the Tebow references either. What the hell, don’t comment on him if he isn’t even playing in the game. You can’t get into this WWTD if he wasn’t there.

Rick

October 5th, 2009
2:45 pm

So, I’ve heard a couple of reasons why the penalty did not cause UGA to lose. Here are my responses to each of those arguments:

- “UGA should’ve covered the kickoff better or tackled Scott on the TD run”. To me, this all comes down to momentum. We had ALL of the momentum after Green’s TD and that penalty took the momentum away from us and gave it back to LSU. Had we not been penalized, I believe we would’ve either kicked the ball through the end zone (which Walsh did earlier in the game) or we would’ve covered it better than we did (again, back to the momentum thing). Thanks to the refs, we will never know. And, once they had the ball at the 37yd line, we hadd to stack the line to prevent them from getting any yardage, which definitely assisted the TD run by Scott. If they were on their 40yd line, they wouldn’t have even called that play.

- “LSU had a celebration penalty, too. LSU just did more with their penalty”. This is a bogus argument, too. The first penalty gave LSU so much hope and momentum because LSU knew it only needed a FG to win. We needed a TD just to tie after LSU’s TD. Plus, tack on the demoralized state of the team after the events of the previous 5 minutes. I imagine Joe Cox and the offense were just in disbelief that they were even in that position. Of course, it didnt help that the penalty played into one of LSU’s biggest strengths and our biggest weakness (kick return/coverage).

To those who say Richt should’ve coached them better about the celebration rule doesn’t understand that GREEN DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO DESERVE A PENALTY!!!! So, I can’t imagine what they could do to “coach up” Green and the team??? If that should’ve been a penalty (in some deranged world), then they need to change the name of the penalty to the ‘celebration’ penalty and drop the word ‘excessive’.

That reminds me – doesn’t Tebow gesture to the crowd every time he does his stupid little hop as he makes his way back to the sidelines after a TD? (sorry can’t describe it any better than that). I’ve never seen that get flagged?!?!? I wonder why?

UGAKev {true dawg fan}

October 5th, 2009
2:47 pm

Make no mistake about it Georgia will be playing Alabama in december for the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP. Georgia has now found a running back and AJ Green is the real deal. I think were a more dangerous team now since the pressure is completely off our backs we just need to go out and have fun and the chips will fall where they may. Copy and remember this name when the Dawgs win the SEC east. Washun Ealey is the real deal, too bad it takes a little too long to figure out your most talented players some time. The facts remain the same we need to win the rest of our SEC games, we still control our own destiny. We lost to tennessee in 2007 we looked terrible we were all left for dead. Never give up on the Dawgs as long as they still have a heartbeat.

UGAKev {true dawg fan}

October 5th, 2009
2:49 pm

Rick I could of not said it better myself

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
2:49 pm

Coach Smith,

Seems like every time Patrick Peterson was on him Peterson did in fact shut him down. Even dog fans have to acknowledge that AJ got his yardage when lined up opposite # 7. Why do you think several of the dawg fans are questioning and posting as to why #7 wasn’t flagged for smack talking. He was doing a lot of smack talking because he was backing it up. Get over the one penalty. The better team won.

senoiadawgs

October 5th, 2009
2:50 pm

Those of you who can watch the game again or maybe it was just a different angle I saw somewhere. Go back and Watch Scott’s TD. There is one shot were you can see the Back Judge running toward the endzone with the flag in his hand before anything and I mean anything happened. This says his mind was already made up before Scott or LSU did anything.

Yes the penalty cost UGA the game with the situation the followed starting with the kickoff. Does LSU win without the penalty? Doubtful as they would most likely have had to throw it down the field, but we will never know.

Can we please talk about something else that can help this team and put the pressure on the coaches that are clearly failing. I know it’s tiring to talk about but that is the only way to bring about change. Just like the celebration penalty, as coaches Richt and the mad hatter should be all over the national news bashing the officials and the rule.

Rick

October 5th, 2009
2:53 pm

Randyarnold – tell me what AJ did that made it seem like he “hadn’t been there before”? That’s the problem with the call, he did nothing to deserve it. And, from everything I have heard and read about AJ, he is a class act all the way. If anything, his teammates were more enthusiastic than he was!

It’s just a shame we weren’t able to see the real ending to the game. Would LSU have still won? Who the heck knows?

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
2:54 pm

Thanks Tide Rising I was there and I could tell in the first quarter the Tigers would play well. I don’t know why Hawkins was on AJ on the TD pass. Hawkins gave up the winning TD to Ark last season too. He’s just not as talented as Peterson.

Green is scary good and he had me on pins and needles the whole game. Cox flat out missed him on the post for a sure TD in the 1st half. He got by Peterson and Chad Jones was not back there to help.

A team like Auburn that keeps winning gains confidence. They certainly deserve to be in the Top 25. It is definitely a four horse race and you may be right about a 2 loss division winner. That said I don’t see Bama losing more than one game if that in the regular season.

I don’t think your prediction was unreasonable. I was driving Friday and never got to post my picks but I had UGA 27-10.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
2:56 pm

Rick,

A lot of if if if if s in your post. Bottom line is that the penalty aided LSU by 15 yards but that still leaves about 65 yards that LSU made happen from the point where Holliday caught the ball at the 20.

Not the refs fault that Georgia could not contain Holliday.

Not their fault that Georgia could not contain Scott.

Not their fault that Georgia got the ball back with a similar 15 yard penalty and had the same amount of time to work with that LSU took in scoring their td.

Not the refs fault that Scott broke 3 tackles on his way to the td. You can blame 15 yards on the ref. Can’t blame the ref for everything else that happened on that series or that didn’t happen when UGA got the ball back.

Scott

October 5th, 2009
2:58 pm

Exactly. Pretty much impossible for any rational sports fan to disagree with this.

Tech Man in Dawg Country

October 5th, 2009
2:59 pm

Tony,
You stand by your worst call in 3 decades because it was a non-football, judgement call? Not sure it that makes it better or not. All it did was back up the kickoff by 15 yards. There was no impact on the actual play. Every play still counted, no one was hampered on the play. So the more I think about it, it makes it LESS grievous.

And still not sure how you can say it is worse that the Colorado 5th down. Or even the clock continuing to run after the 1st down in the Tech/NC game for that matter. But the 5th down HAS to take the cake. If you don’t agree with that, then boy, you are even more of a homer than I thought. Maybe even and Simpson after the Homer tag!

AZ Jacket

October 5th, 2009
2:59 pm

So what Tony and all the dawg fans are saying is that since you were in the 4th quarter of a close game and an official sees a infraction that they should not call it because it might impact the game. As a retired football official that is a bunch of BS. I would bet the bank that the official who called the infraction did not care what the score was or what point it was in the ballgame. Generally an official calls on instinct and judgement. There is a saying in the fraternity of official, “What you call in the 1st Qtr. is also a foul in the 4th Qtr.” I find it not only insulting but downright stupid that the integrity of these guys is being questioned by a bunch of whining fans. Tony, I don’t take much stock in your opinion because if had helped the dawgs win you would have thought it was the greatest call ever made. I dont’t think the call was made based on score or time left in the ballgame. The call was made because there was an infraction and who knows there may have been warnings.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
3:00 pm

coach smith,

Yeah, saw it and I addressed that. You’re right, I was wrong, he caught it on the 17. A full TWO yards ahead of the 15.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/63461157.html

Still stand by your comments? I thought you’ve “watched the replay a few times.”

“Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38″

Also, see my fun little math problem addressing your other charge of ‘idiot’ in my direction..

“From 15 to 15 really? LOL that would be a 70+ yard kick. If our kicker could do that the normal kickoffs would be out of the endzone”

It appears you’re the one having a hard time dealing w/ what actually happened in the game. You from the Marc Richt coaching tree by any chance?

GETITRIGHT

October 5th, 2009
3:01 pm

P-Man you make too much sense. But you can’t reason with guys
who ae out to win A

The ref

October 5th, 2009
3:03 pm

Senioadawgs,

You state its doubtful LSU would have done anything in going down the field had they not been awarded the 15 yards. Really? You’re not Nostrodamus. You don’t know that. And on top of that its only 15 yards. Considering how easily LSU moved the last 40 yards for a td who are you to say they couldn’t have moved an extra 15 just because of field position. Charles Scott looked like he coulda ran another 30 yards. If you back up LSU 15 yards Scott still more than likely would have scored or very minimally LSU would have been in position for an easy field goal. I don’t base this on opinion. I base it on the fact that the guy made it so easily into the end zone with plenty of room to spare. The idea that LSU couldn’t have made up 15 yards is just more delusional thinking by dawg fans.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
3:03 pm

jumbeauxtiger, I obviously wasn’t at the game but how many more times did they run AJ on a post pattern during the game? Congrats on the win, I think LSU played a much better (complete) game and deserved the win. We just seemed stuck on running the ball into the line instead of throwing down the field. Give AJ the chances and he will make the catches. I think Bobo needs to work on getting first downs instead of the home run ball once a series.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
3:04 pm

coach smith,

Here’s your full post in case your memory is fading…looks like you’re the one that needs to watch the video replay. Were you watching the same game?

“How did the call not affect the outcome of the game?

All LSU needed was field goal. By kick from the 15 yard line they only had to go a few yards to get that field goal

Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38

They were basically in field goal range already. The TD didn’t matter because if they hadn’t got it, LSU would’ve been able to run out the clock and kick the field goal

Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards. They also would have had to pass on about every play and be desperate and UGA could’ve been able to pin their ears back and continue the sack parade

To say that the penalty didn’t decide the game does nothing more than show your Tech or LSU allegance”

GETITRIGHT

October 5th, 2009
3:05 pm

are out to win A hole of the month . So forget intellegent discussion.

The ref

October 5th, 2009
3:08 pm

Mutt nonsense,

You are correct. All the dawgs got is if if if if if if. If they had to go an extra 15 yards, what if we had kicked it into the end zone, if if if if if if. Delusional and absolutely refuse to face the fact that the return and Scott run are what beat the dawgs, not one 15 yard penalty of which LSU was also assessed. What a bunch of crybabies.

The ref

October 5th, 2009
3:13 pm

Mutt nonsense,

Wait a minute. The Holliday return was for 40 yards and Scott ran for 33 yards. I also assume that LSU got 5 yards from the 38 to the 33 where Scott made his run.

Where did those 78 yards come from? Did they come from the refs? Uh. Nope! Seems LSU MADE those 78 yards happen. Refs didn’t give LSU the game. LSU just flat out took it from the dawgs!

senoiadawgs

October 5th, 2009
3:16 pm

The ref

Here is why Scott would have most likely not been running the ball. After the game Jefferson admitted they were running the ball to setup the field goal. Walsh provided Fabris didn’t force the directional kick, the same kick would have been near the goal line. 15 yards would not have mattered you say, lsu would have the ball with the same return on the UGA side of the field and would have been forced the throw the ball. They had not thrown the ball consistently well all day just like UGA. These are the facts and cannot be disputed.

Now on the how bad the call really was, on College Football Live Jesse Palmer say that Urban Meyer called the call AWFUL!!!! ESPN still blasting the call also which almost never happens in the favor of UGA.

Ginger

October 5th, 2009
3:17 pm

Good post Tony !!

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
3:18 pm

Sorry coach smith. I hate to let a silly little thing like the truth come between friends.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
3:22 pm

senoiadawgs,

After the penalty, where did LSU start? The UGA 43 yard line. Guess what, that’s not in field goal range. What did they do? Ran the ball. Not sure I buy the “they wouldn’t have run the ball” argument.

Also, what’s to say that Holliday doesn’t take the kick return farther if it was back 15 yards. Maybe picking it up at the goal line changes the LSU special teams strategy and he doesn’t cross the field. What if they would have stayed on the same side, picked up all the blocks and there was no pursuit left to catch Holliday like was there on a cross field run?

It’s fun to play the what if game isn’t it? Who would have thought being Nostradamus was so easy?

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:23 pm

Mutt Nonsense

are you a TECHIE or LSU Tiger?

why do you feel the need to be on a UGA blog?

BAMA STAN

October 5th, 2009
3:26 pm

12 NATIONAL TITLES – 21 SEC TITLES!!!

To ugafanatic – You make good points, HOWEVER, I am talking about the present – not two years ago – not three years ago – not five years ago.

UGA has been passed as a program by Georgia Tech and Alabama.

I am taking about current state.

Are you telling me that UGA would beat Alabama tomorrow? Uga is struggling this year – Alabama thrashed UGA last year and would do so this year.

Are you telling me that UGA would beat GA Tech tomorrow? Pure specualtion – but my money would ride on GA TECH.

My point being is that UGA has become post glory year FSU of the SEC. Good athletes that play too undisciplined. When Coach MR says he is not concerned about penalties – that is a huge problem……and it has cost UGA dearly.

Was the celebration penalty correct? NO – but UGA needed to finish the game “FINSH THE DRILL” – so what did they do?
1. Kickoff from a STUPID “break huddle” formation that had the kicker kick-off with sideline defenders at least 5 yards behind him on the right side – and the players were TOO STUPID to know what side of the kicker to be on – adding another fice yards.

UGA got hosed on the call – but then did the rest themselves because this is a POOR tackling team that has no discipline!!!!

Hey – I was rooting for UGA – and will root for Florida to beat LSU – (it’s an SEC WEST thing)

The top teams in the SEC have seperated themselves from UGA – and the mid pack teams have caught up.

Historically – UGA is the overall 5th best SEC program (based on head to head competition) – and guess what?????? UGA is probably is a mid pack SEC team at the moment. Put it this way – you had 68 seconds with a lead and a kickoff – and you still got beat.

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sec blog

October 5th, 2009
3:27 pm

Coach smith,

This is an sec blog from Tony, not a dawg blog. Go to the dawg blog with the guy that looks like a mountain man/redneck with the beard, big glasses, long hair. He is very representative of the dawg nation. A real redneck if I’ve ever seen one.

senoiadawgs

October 5th, 2009
3:28 pm

I can’t argue with someone who has the facts all wrong Mutt Nonsense just check your post from 3:04

sec blog

October 5th, 2009
3:28 pm

my correction. Its not even a sec blog. Its a college football blog that Tony puts out. Go to the dawg blog fool

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:31 pm

No matter what I think about the so called “penalty” I’m still behind the DAWGS and I’ll say this

IF TEBOW does not play Saturday night….Florida WILL NOT beat LSU

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
3:32 pm

senoiadawgs,

Sorry tough guy, that 3:04 post was a re-post of coach smith’s comments earlier calling people idiots. I was trying to remind him of his comments he conveniently forgot.

coach smith,

Neither. I’m here to call out the nonsense you pup fans spew. Truth hurts. And has been stated, this is not a Dawg blog. Its a college FB blog.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:40 pm

Bama Stan

come on now! “fifth best team”

Tehy even said on the broadcast that UGA was the winningest team in College Football over the last 9 years

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME BAMA WON ANYTHING????????

Richt is 3-1 vs Alabama
2-5 vs Florida
5-3 vs Tenn
3-3 vs LSU
4-0 vs Ole miss, MsSt, and Arkansas
7-1 vs Vandy and Kentucky
5-3 vs Auburn
6-2 vs SCAR
I think that is a little more than a # 5 team in the SEC

I hate to tell you Alabama and Auburn and TENN fans BUT for the past 10 years there has been 3 teams that matter UGA, FLA, and LSU
Besides one blip by Auburn those teams have won pretty much every SEC title since 2000

ATLDawg

October 5th, 2009
3:42 pm

The momentum was certainly changed by the excessive celebration penalty. Did it cost UGA the game, we’ll never know. Before UGA even made the kickoff after the TD, they knew that LSU would almost be in field goal position before the return.

Nativebird

October 5th, 2009
3:44 pm

Not sure it was worst in 30 years; The “fifth” down at Colorado in 1990 taking away 1/2 of Tech’s Natl Championship has got to be maybe the worst miscarriage of justice I’ve ever seen.

Gatorzone

October 5th, 2009
3:45 pm

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:31 pm
No matter what I think about the so called “penalty” I’m still behind the DAWGS and I’ll say this

IF TEBOW does not play Saturday night….Florida WILL NOT beat LSU

I suppose from this we are to infer that the only reason UF is better than UGA is Tim Tebow? Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

SimpleDawg

October 5th, 2009
3:46 pm

TB,

I disagree with you and Bradley…the bull$#!+ call on AJ Green did most assuredly cost Georgia the game. Walsh has been fairly consistent in kicking the ball deep….granted, the stupid penalty for illegal formation didn’t help, but at worst the Dawgs would’ve had to re-kick from the 25.

I don’t care what the rule states….that was a stupid call, and the guy should be fired.

The rule has to be changed.

BUT….had Joe Cox not had his head so far up his @$$ in the first half, we could have had a sizable lead anyway.

Why does Washaun Ealey play more? I’ve been saying for months that he has to play, because the other 2 can’t.

TechCrybaby

October 5th, 2009
3:46 pm

Why did the Bulldogs lose? Wasn’t it because they did not score at all until the fourth quarter? Same reason the Braves did not make the playoffs – they didn’t get going earlier in the season.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:48 pm

Gatorzone

absolutely not! BUT Tebow is your leader and saves sooooo many bad plays and almost wills your team forward

IF he can’t play, LSU at night for all the marbles (at least right now) is a TOUGH mental blow to take for your team and an even tougher place for your backup QB to make his FIRST START

I should have said it more like that, that I beleve the deck will be stacked against the Gators if he can’t play

I wasn’t taking a shot. The Gators have my respect

senoiadawgs

October 5th, 2009
3:49 pm

Good for you then Mutt Nonsense, I thought you were totally putting out wrong info. To bad for the guy that did.

However, no matter who you are a fan of you can’t say that the call didn’t change the game. The swing in momentum, the extra glimmer of hope the 15 did give LSU, the change in field position if everything plays out the same minus the 5 yarder. I was the first to come on here and say the penalty did not cost UGA the game and got slammed for it Sat. While it didn’t cost the game, it certainly changed the way the game played out. That’s the whole point, officials changing a game unnecessarily at the end. While it helped CBS, you know it was bad when the national media is on the Dawgs side. I also was not trying to be Nostradamus, I didn’t say LSU would not have scored I said Most Likely would not have. There is a big difference just as with every other UGA fan I know how bad our kickoff team has been.

tiger7_88

October 5th, 2009
3:50 pm

Barnhart-ese translated for the non-flea-bitten-pups: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Your best blog post EVAR, Tony!

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:51 pm

All the Dawg doubters

Remember 2007 when the young Dawgs were 3-2 after being killed by TENNESSEE

what happned? The DAWGS won out and finished #2

We are actually in a BETTER position this year than that year b/c that year both of the losses were SEC losses

If the Dawgs win the next 2 it will set a up a deciding match with Florida on Halloween

STRETCH

October 5th, 2009
3:51 pm

BAMA STAN,

I couldnt have said it any better. That penalty on AJ Green didnt put them under, the coaching/play calling and the defensive players and play calling(every game they seem to be out of place) at the end of the game did.

They didnt score until the 4th quarter and couldnt cover a kick return, stop a slow quarterback from gaining a chunk of yards in the final minute, or make 1 or 2 tackles that last drive!

And Joe Cox is either pretty good or totally awful…its “either or” with him. So as he goes, the “Bullthugs” go. So its looking like an 8 win season and thats as realistic as your utility bills coming on time each month!

And the only reason they are in most of their games is because of talented athletes but these guys continue to do Boneheaded things game in and game out. Prime example, last year when BAMA came to Athens and played they way they were coached to play. BOOM…they hit the dogs in the mouth from the start, they never knew what hit them. GAME OVER in the first half.

Eventhough im a big UGA fan, ANY fan with common sense can see that CMR has NO control of those “Bullthugs!”

And as long as this team is coached the way it currently is, they will continue to be 10-2 and 9-3 and coming up short, just behind UF, LSU and BAMA!!!

Buzz Belle

October 5th, 2009
3:52 pm

One first down in the first half OR one bad call from a ref? Which one do you think really caused UGA to lose this game? LSU got the same call. As far as I could see, there should have been an intentional grounding call on Cox – he got lucky because where he happened to throw the ball, a receiver was close by. If you look at the play closely though, he was on his way to the ground when the ball left his hand. You got away with one, not the other. I understand your mad, you lost. But to throw a rule out because you don’t like it? How about throw out the rule that states the clock continues to run when you just made a 1st down to reset the chains? Let the clock keep ticking – they did at the Tech game. Let’s just throw out all the rules we don’t like and then play ball. Come on fans. Man up, accept you lost and move on to next week. If you don’t, the Vols will have a hey day with you guys!

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
3:53 pm

One thing I don’t understand with a lot of you UGA bashers is the fact that a win over UGA means so much to you guys. Or if we get beat it is just so important for you to be on here informing us why we lost and why we will never win another game this year or next year or ever. If we are so middle of the road, 5th best team blah blah blah in the conference, going nowhere program, why is it so important for you guys to be on here berating such a lowly program? You should probably be somewhere berating or smack talking the opponents that truly concern you. Or are you done with Kentucky, Ole Miss and Vandy and now looking to waste more time with UGA. If we are such a bad team why are you spending so much time on us?????? Why do you jump so high in the rankings when you manage to beat us? Your overwhelming concerns about our program are unexplainable.

BAMADAWG

October 5th, 2009
3:55 pm

D_MAN, Go ahead & tell the seniors that there last year isn’t important.I’m sure the recruits
that might want to come & play here can find somewhere else to play.It’s not over for this team.
Fla. is the only team on the scheldule that may seem out of reach but I still want count these guys
out of that game either.

steve

October 5th, 2009
3:56 pm

The LSU player scored on a break away run. He would have scored from 60 yards away. The penalty didn’t make a difference.

Tim Rupert

October 5th, 2009
3:57 pm

Am I the only fan that saw the reverse angle of scott’s td run, that showed a LSU player first grab Rennie Curran’s jersey and then tackle him from behind. (resulted in the best running play of the game), Boy that Scott really can break a tackle.

I point this out not to cry that Ga would have won if it had been called but to point out that it was VERY Obvious. Not only did the ref make up a celebration penalty they missed a flagerant face mask penalty and the tackling of the SEC’s best LB all with in the last five minutes, (What had LSU accomplished before the last five minutes, not enough.

The SEC officals need to be held accountable, say what you say about ga whining but it is obvious that Ga is playing up hill with these officals.
It has been reported that the head of SEC officals is a tech grad, not saying he is bias but if you were a Ala fan would you want a Aub grad as head official?

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
3:57 pm

Enough with the BAMA CRAP!!!!

BAMA hasn’t won ANYTHING IN YEARS!!!!!!!

Please let them win something before speaking

Gatorzone

October 5th, 2009
3:59 pm

Zoo, coach smith and all Bulldawg fans…
You guys played a hard fought game and could have easily won. UGA has a fine program and a team that is rebuilding. Cox is more inconsistent than most would have expected. Ealey looks like the next big thing, and I suspect the rest of the season will play out better than expected.
There is no reason UGA should not finish 9-3 beating Auburn and Tech.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
4:02 pm

senoiadawgs,

Good post. I agree w/ almost all of it. One of the more reasonable, even-handed posts from a Dawg fan today.

coach smith,

You’re humorous. Please continue to change the subject whenever you get called out for your nonsense. You make Lou Holtz look like a Rhodes scholar. You know, the guys that get free rides to the college of their choice if they know a lot about furniture.

Andy

October 5th, 2009
4:04 pm

Hi Tony, I totally agree with you. This is a great column you wrote and I hope the powers that be take a serious look at what they’ve done. It’s so egregiously bad that the players now have to walk on egg shells when they score a touchdown, and you’re right I’m afraid this will impact Georgia’s intensity and passion now for the rest of the season.

Jacket Racket

October 5th, 2009
4:05 pm

these useless calls are just a symptom of how pansy-fied our country has become when players (college kids!) are not allowed to celebrate after a HUGE play. Celebrate, not taunt. I think most can draw a pretty solid line between the two… god forbid that someones feelings get hurt though because someones hand goes in the air

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
4:05 pm

Gatorzone, thanks. What happened to 10-2 possibility? Personally I thought it was a great SEC game. No matter who you are a fan of. Exciting until the last seconds.

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
4:06 pm

Wow. Lot’s of activity today. Here’s to hoping we can talk about something else tomorrow.

One of the more exciting weekends of matchups is coming up with some really interesting games. I for one will be glued to the set for Bama-Ole Miss, UGA-UT, and UF-LSU. A lot will be determined this weekend and a couple teams have a great opportunity to catch a hot streak going into the meat of the SEC schedule. Couldn’t ask for a better Saturday. Here’s to 11 straight hours of football.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:10 pm

Mutt Nonsense

what in the world did i change the subject on

Say what you want, I have a feeling you are wearing your Tech colors safely behind your computer

And my how TECH fans have came out of the woodwork

Don’t worry, after they lose the next 2 to FlaSt and VaTech, we won’t hear from them for a while

Dawg Fan

October 5th, 2009
4:12 pm

I agree that the excessive celebration rule is too strict and sever, however, that game Saturday could’ve easily been won by UGA if they were better coached and didn’t commit so many penalties. Excessive penalties, sloppy play, poor special teams and struggling to get players on and off the field are all signs of a poorly coached team. Mark Richt looks to be on the downhill side of his coaching career unless he gets serious and makes the serious decisions that his 4 million per year salary requires and fires the incompetent assistants such as his very close friend Willie Martinez.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:14 pm

Just remember BOTH of UGA’s losses came to teams who were Ranked inthe top 5

If UGA had been like every other SEC team (except TENN & BAMA although they played one) Saturday would have been UGA’s first loss because they would’ve played 2 cupcakes and been 4-1 and nobody would be running their mouth

Rick

October 5th, 2009
4:15 pm

Yep, lots of ifs in my post…because that ref altered the course of the game by throwing that flag. And anyone who is saying that Richt is not controlling his players and they “thugs” just haven’t been watching. I believe the defense especially has done an outstanding job of curtailing the dumb late hit penalties. I remember at least two plays in the LSU game where the UGA safety could’ve laid out the receiver, but didn’t because it would’ve been a borderline play. In my mind, that aspect of the game has been cleaned up quite well. Now, the kick coverage issue is just something that should not be a problem game after game, year after year. I watch a lot of football and can’t think of another team, SEC or not, that has as big a problem covering kicks as Georgia. It’s gotten so bad that I actually thought about trying an onside kick when we were kicking off from the 15. Of course, that would’ve been pretty stupid, but hindsight being 20/20….

chesterar

October 5th, 2009
4:16 pm

“It is clear that the officials are given very little, if no, discretion on this call.”

Mr Barnhart, you better get with Tim Brando because he’s on tv saying the refs have WIDE latitude and discretion on those kinds of calls. Also, talk to Timmy about his subtle allusions to racism being involved in his post game rant with Tillman and Horowitz.

Fla Tide

October 5th, 2009
4:17 pm

Tebow does that mess every Saturday for over 3 years now…..really?

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
4:18 pm

coach smith,

Let’s try this again. These are from some of your posts earlier where you called me an idiot.

“All LSU needed was field goal. By kick from the 15 yard line they only had to go a few yards to get that field goal

Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38″

Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards. They also would have had to pass on about every play and be desperate and UGA could’ve been able to pin their ears back and continue the sack parade”

- Everyone knows none of this is true, and still no response from you after being called out.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/63461157.html

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
4:19 pm

hey coach smith…win something, you say.

well, last time we “discussed it” on the field,
we shoved OUR hobnail boot right up your azz.

Hell, the dogs from the West look a hell of a lot better than the show-boatin punks from georgia.

whats with all the BS dancing on teh bench after the azst game.

what a bunch of punks.

richt HAS lost control of the players. It started last summaer and so obvious.

AZ Jacket

October 5th, 2009
4:20 pm

Tony, why don’t you tell everyone on this blog who was the prime initiator of this rule. It is not something new. It was pushed by Vince Dooley when he was AD. He was a highly respected AD and his opinion was taken seriously. He coached his players to not show boat and thought that was something that should not be part of college football. Just let the player do as they please between plays, dance point, taunt, it does not have any bearing on the sport. What a joke.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
4:20 pm

Here’s some more from you while calling me a moron.

“From 15 to 15 really? LOL that would be a 70+ yard kick. If our kicker could do that the normal kickoffs would be out of the endzone”

And here’s my response.

“Also, check your facts before you call me a moron. 70 yds on a kick is totally reasonable. Try this math:

- Kickoff from the 30 yd. line to midfield = 20 yards
- Distance from midfield to the end zone = 50 yards

What’s 50+20? Come to think of it, don’t you guys gripe about Walsh not putting it into the endzone? How can you possibly expect him to kick it 70+ yds when that’s so unreasonable to propose?”

Do you want to keep playing?

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:22 pm

BIG AL

say it with me….Alabama is 1-3 vs UGA in the last 4….ONE AND THREE

Georgia has 2 SEC titles and played for a 3rd in the last 7 years as well as 2 Sugar Bowl Wins in 3 trips

ALABAMA HAS WON NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:23 pm

Mutt

Take your Techie rearend back to your blog and talk Tech football with ALL of YOUR FANS……BOTH OF THEM!

TrueCrimson

October 5th, 2009
4:25 pm

Have to agree CharlotteGator, next Saturday is a huge day for SEC football. Georgia needs to put this one behind them and get ready for the Vols.

BTW: Just heard that the SEC has officially apologized for the call on AJ Greene. For what it’s worth…

AZ Jacket

October 5th, 2009
4:26 pm

Coach smith, is this a UGA blog or a college football blog. I guess you are right, Tony is a homer and anything he writes is biased to the bulldogs. That is okay but read my last post as to who pushed this rule through the NCAA.

sb

October 5th, 2009
4:27 pm

All the proof you need is that Mark May and Lou Holtz both said it was a terrible call and that UGA got screwed. They both hate UGA and never say anything postive about UGA. Recent example Rashad Jones hit in OK State game. Both said it was a great call by the official. They were the only 2 people in the country that thought so.

AZ Jacket

October 5th, 2009
4:28 pm

Did they apologize to LSU for that call? What a wimp running the SEC? His officials should walk with that kind of support.

Bubba Bulldog

October 5th, 2009
4:28 pm

It all goes back to the rule made by Vince “The Prince” Dooley. Poetic justice if you think about it.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
4:28 pm

coach smith,

“Just remember BOTH of UGA’s losses came to teams who were Ranked inthe top 5″

Congratulations. Where is Oklahoma St. now? Oh that’s right, they suck. They lost to Houston at home. Guess it’s not that hard to go to Stillwater and impose your will.

What about teams in the SEC W and UF? They play LSU EVERY YEAR. Do they get this built in excuse if they lose to the Bayou Bengals?

You’re fun.

T

October 5th, 2009
4:29 pm

Why dont you Dawg fans focus on Tenn? Face it, you are 3-2, you lost on Saturday… you lost.. get ready for Tenn or you just might be 3-3 this time next week.

Q

October 5th, 2009
4:29 pm

Goodness,

Jawga is full of crybabies!!!

Geaux Tigers!

PMC

October 5th, 2009
4:32 pm

If they are saying the call on Scott was correct… then it’s time to change the rule.

IF individual players do something truely callous, crude or unsportsmanlike…. KICK THEM OUT OF THE GAME! Celebrating a touchdown in a normal manner whether it draws attention to an individual or group of individuals is not worthy of a 15 yard major penalty.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
4:32 pm

Mutt Nonsense, you have to lay off us dawg fans when it comes to kicking off and touchbacks. It has been awhile since our program has witnessed one of our kickers kicking it into the endzone for a touchback. For awhile there I actually thought that they might have changed that rule but I see the LSU kicker punch one into the endzone to start the game. Kick it short and out of bounds is what we are used to.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
4:33 pm

“Take your Techie rearend back to your blog and talk Tech football with ALL of YOUR FANS……BOTH OF THEM!”

Ahh, the infamous “if you can’t beat them (or even have an intelligible conversation), then call them a Tech fan and tell them to go to their own blog” defense.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so predictable. Couldn’t care less about Tech. I enjoyed Miami beating them down. Paul Johnson look like a cross between Gollum and that chick from Wilson Phillips.

You, my friend, have still not responded to being called out for your “loose” facts.

Jefferson

October 5th, 2009
4:33 pm

Just put an ” * ” by the loss. Everyone will understand.

Fred Brumfield

October 5th, 2009
4:34 pm

Enter your comments here Georgia lost the game. LSU made plays at the end that would not have been effected by the call against Green. You should have starte off with this statement instead of saying you are a Homer. I agee the game was poorly officiated and your remarks are poor as well. I believe the call against Green was incorrct and you lack of giving LSU any credit for the win is poor jouranlism. Do not use your position to imply things that are not true Brando does not do this and he is a LSU grad. I will also pray that you return to your high standards.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:35 pm

CBS is reporting that ROGERS REDDING is ADMITTING that they BLEW THE CALL and the REF is “beating himself up about it”

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
4:35 pm

Porr coach smith….

cant seem to handle the fact that theres has been a REGIME CHANGE in Tuscaloosa.

uga is losing on the field to bama, and has now begun losing on the recruiting trail to bama.

As long as coach saban is here, uga wont sniff an SEC title for the next SEVERAL YEARS. Just keep playing like your playing and you’ll be the new sec-east bottom-feeder.

Its tougher…in the West.

collegeballfan

October 5th, 2009
4:37 pm

If the coaches get off their lazy butts & coach their players how to not celebrate in the end zone there would never be a call on the well coached teams.

It is not the rule, it is the lack of coaching.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:37 pm

BIG AL

Alabama is 1-1 since the “great Saban” got to Alabama

AND

Richt and UGA have beaten Saban at LSU and BAMA my friend

And actually Georgia has the #2 incoming recruiting class in the SEC behind LSU according to Rivals and Scout

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:39 pm

here is the link to the SEC admitting they screwed the Dawgs

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12316671

Sid

October 5th, 2009
4:40 pm

Does anyone remember that CVD(Thats Dooley with 2 O’s and few brains)was one of the biggest supporters of the rule(Poor choice of words).I think he initiated it when he was on the NCAA Rules Committee !!! It s___ s and Dooley knows it as millions more do!!!

Great job Vincent !!

claygast

October 5th, 2009
4:41 pm

The only blown call is that everyone thinks for certain the outcome would have been different. UGA fouled up on the kickoff formation (5 yards), and if the play had been executed the exact same way, Holliday still made it to the 47. That is either poor kick team coverage, or just another awesome return by Holliday. Either way- it is irrelevant. Charles Scott scored on an inside run from 33-yards out. He could have gone 50, 60, 70 or 100 yards on that play if there were enough yard markers- the fact of the matter is that UGA’s defense got absolutely burned by a team that called a running play in a hurry-up offense. Yall should be embarassed and should focus your energy and criticism on your defense rather than finding a scape goat.

TrueCrimson

October 5th, 2009
4:43 pm

coach smith,

That was a good game that Georgia played in Tuscaloosa. This Georgia team doesn’t look very much like that one did. I’ve always respected Georgia’s football tradition and I like Coach Richt, but there are more problems in Athens right now than all of the officials in the SEC can cure. You can’t fix the problem until you admit that you have one.

sb

October 5th, 2009
4:45 pm

Re: Tim Rupert

Yes I saw the tackle of Curran too, didn’t wan’t to seem to bitter. I said saturday if the refs were held accountable like the coaches and players this would all change. Make them have a press conference after every game, face the media and explain their calls. I also agree with other posts that UGA penalty problems started with the Fla game 2 years ago. If this is some kind of personal vendetta against UGA by SEC refs that needs to be taken care of. It has gone on 2 years and is getting a little obvious, and is getting to the point where it can effect coaches livleyhood. The only way to handle it is hold them responsible.
Anyone remember the ref that made the Jasper Sanks call years ago was suspended, maybe if they faced any repurcusions like this they may understand 96,000 people are not packed in the stadium to see them.

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
4:48 pm

georgia should be GRATEFUL that we dont play again this year.

It would be another convincing “funeral” for sure.

See my previous stats. miss state played lsu better than georgia did.

As for recruiting, yeh, we see how well THATS been working out for ya.
over-rated, undisciplined, undeveloped players for sure.

[...] for excessive celebration after go-ahead touchdowns in the final two minutes, which have been so universally deplored in the subsequent 48 hours. It’s not just that they were bad calls (they obviously were), or [...]

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:51 pm

TrueCrimson

That UGA team actually looks ALOT like this one

Both have young talent (Moreno & Stafford were freshmen)

This team actually has MORE young talent (AJ, Orsen Charles, B.Smith, Ealey, Samuel, King, M.Brown, D. Tyson, B.Boykin)

That UGA team finished 8-4 then won th ebowl game to go 9-4

I can see 8-4 or 9-3 for this team too

So actually the 2 teams are quite similar with this one actually being in a BETTER position for the future

Scooter

October 5th, 2009
4:53 pm

Scott would have never had the ball in his hands if they took over 15 yards further back. They wouldn’t have risked running it for no gain and running clock. So enough already with the fact that the 15 yard penalty wouldn’t have changed the outcome. The outcome might have been the same, but it wouldn’t have been on a missed tackle on Scott on an off tackle play. LSU deserved to win for sure if you look at the stats… but they didn’t deserve to win the way they did.

But it don’t matter, cause last time I checked, the score is still 20 – 13 and will always be..

BIG AL

October 5th, 2009
4:56 pm

Saban Year 1: We lose to GA 26-21 in OT
Saban Year 2: 41-30: say it with me…beeeeeeat dowwwnnnnwn.

Yeh, dont think ya’ll will host a blackout again in THIS century.

LOL

KD

October 5th, 2009
4:57 pm

JayRoot,don’t know where you saw Green walk back to the back at the end zone, maybe your TV showed something different from the nationally televised broadcast that thousands of people witnessed and was showed time & time again and the broadcasters couldn’t figure out where the celabration was. I don’t see it, you MORON !!!!!

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
4:57 pm

The call was bad, but what lost the game is the offense waiting until after
half time to have any production.If the offense played the first half like the last, the call would have been a non issue.1 first down and less than thirty yards of total offense will catch up with you.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
4:58 pm

BIG AL

PLEASE!

LSU needed 4 tunrovers a punt return and a lucky goal line stand to beat Miss St

THEN

LSU needed an ADMITTED BAD CALL to survive against UGA after the DAwgs took the lead ON THE FIELD FAIR AND SQUARE with a minute to go

LSU is frankly lucky they are not 3-2 themselves

So just stop it

Answer this question BAMA people…WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME BAMA WON ANYTHING??????????????

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
5:00 pm

BIG AL

can’t answer the question can you? When was the last time BAMA won anything?

And no matter the score it is one win a piece AND RICHT NEVER LOST to LOUISIANNA MONROE……AT HOME NO LESS LOL!!!!!

Saban has been there 3 years so yo have one or 2 more before he slithers off to the next highest bidder

SuperB

October 5th, 2009
5:02 pm

Tony is 100% correct. This one bad call cost Georgia a (3-0, 4-1) record, a place near the Top Ten and a better bowl game down the line. All this talk from Mr. Redding about angles is crap. I have officiated FB for more than 30 years and the rule is the same– don’t call what you don’t see!

Atlanta_Tiger_Fan

October 5th, 2009
5:04 pm

Both excessive celebration penalties were horrible, but to say it cost GA the game is absurd. LSU got the same penalty and kept playing the game to win.

JD

October 5th, 2009
5:04 pm

The 2005 Cutler to Earl Bennett TD in the swamp is the poster child for excessive celebration BS calls.

dgroy

October 5th, 2009
5:06 pm

There are/were mistakes made by officials in every football game ever played. You’re picking on this one because it’s the University of Georgia that an (I don’t know) incorrect call was made. You’re a journalist……act like it.

Atlanta_Tiger_Fan

October 5th, 2009
5:06 pm

SuperB

October 5th, 2009
5:02 pm

Tony is 100% correct. This one bad call cost Georgia a (3-0, 4-1) record, a place near the Top Ten and a better bowl game down the line. All this talk from Mr. Redding about angles is crap. I have officiated FB for more than 30 years and the rule is the same– don’t call what you don’t see!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Again, call did NOT cost UGA the game. They had more time on the clock after LSU scored and kicked 15 yards further back like GA did…the difference is that LSU’s special teams did their job and GA’s did not! GA fans are the biggest bunch of whiners in the entire country!

Hamad Meander

October 5th, 2009
5:07 pm

I couldn’t agree with you more Tony. I’m not a Bulldog fan – I graduated from another SEC school. I hate to see a game influenced by the judgement (or lack of judgement) call by a referee. In the context of what was happening in the game, there is no reasonable explanation for making that call at that time. It’s very much like the Serena Williams foot fault call – it’s too close to the end of the match and to close a call to call it at that time.

I would like the SEC referees to miss a call or two rather than call more than they need to call. It seems like lately, we spend more time watching the referees make calls on the field vs. the players make plays on the field. I doubt the football has gotten that much more sloppier.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
5:08 pm

coach smith,

Interesting you’re waiting for someone else to respond when you’re conveniently ignoring your own mishaps.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
5:09 pm

Big Al, go 1000 miles due east, take a big gulp of water
and do us all a favor.Instaed of being on our blog you
need to get ready for Florida yourselves cause McElroy ain’t gonna beat em.

lamar

October 5th, 2009
5:09 pm

Anybody who dont know that this call changed the game is crazy! Lsu would have to drive the field throwing the ball with 1 minute left & NO TIMEOUTS & no question time would have expired before they could score! Anybody is a idiot if they dont know that GA is looked at different in the officials eyes ever since the Florida game in 2007. Yes we got the win, but we have been LOSING EVER SINCE THEN WITH THE CALLS BY THE SORRY PATHETIC REFS! I WISH I COULD SEE HIM ON THE SIDEWALK ON DAY, I WOULD SHOW HIM EXCESSIVE , EXCESSIVE BEATDOWN! WHAT A SCUMBAG!

PJ Yost

October 5th, 2009
5:09 pm

Im not a fan of UGA or LSU, I live in Maine and have connections to Ohio State so I am certainly not biased. The end of the UGA-LSU game could and should have been one of the most exciting finishes Ive seen in an NCAA game this season. A.J. Green’s catch was amazing. Then comes the penalty call. Completely unwarranted. And while LSU scored to end the game I had to ask myself if they would have been able to score if they started at their own 20-30 yard line? I know that some will say LSU’s Chad Scott running for that TD proved LSU would have won anyways, but one has to wonder about the mental state of the Georgia players after that incredibly horrible call. I think the call demoralized the Bulldogs and the touchdown run was the coup d’ gras. We’ll never know. But we all know the excessive celebration rule has to go.

Atlanta_Tiger_Fan

October 5th, 2009
5:12 pm

sb

October 5th, 2009
4:27 pm

All the proof you need is that Mark May and Lou Holtz both said it was a terrible call and that UGA got screwed. They both hate UGA and never say anything postive about UGA. Recent example Rashad Jones hit in OK State game. Both said it was a great call by the official. They were the only 2 people in the country that thought so.
+++++++++++++++++
Those guys as you mention hate UGA like the rest of the country does because you’re a bunch a whining idiots when you loose a game and blame everything under the sun except your own team and coaches.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
5:12 pm

GA fans are the biggest bunch of whiners in the entire country!
Yeah like Auburn fans don’t whine. I’ve been around enough of them for thirty years and heard plenty, believe me they can moan with the best of us.

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 5th, 2009
5:12 pm

CHOO CHOO !!! Looks like the karma train visited Athens last Saturday. I take great pleasure in seeing you trash talking,drunken UGA fans suffer. Good times people!

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 5th, 2009
5:14 pm

hey “coach smith” – I recall Alabama beating a pretty good Va Tech team the first game this year. I also recall them running the table last year in the SEC until the title game. Just the facts ma’am.. just the facts. oh yes UTAH hahahahahahahahahahah

Jefferson

October 5th, 2009
5:16 pm

Hey Coach — when’s the last time UGA won a state championship?

TrueCrimson

October 5th, 2009
5:16 pm

coach smith,

What has Bama won lately?

They won their game last Saturday. There was a missed call that gave KY a free TD when Javier Arenas was obviously pushed off by the receiver, but it didn’t really matter. You know why it didn’t matter? Because Bama outplayed the other team and won the game anydamway.

You guys got burned by a bad call, but you also played a lousy game, or it wouldn’t have mattered. Get over it. You play again next Saturday.

What has Georgia won lately?

Sorry Dogs

October 5th, 2009
5:16 pm

It was a bad call. Bad calls happen every week. Nothing to do but go forward.

You’re undefeated in the SEC East. All you have to do is beat Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vandy and you’ll get a shot at LSU or Bama in the championship.

If you’re that good…..do it. Time will tell, but I don’t like your chances. Now it’s time to put up or shut up.

ex-jock

October 5th, 2009
5:19 pm

I played D-1 football at a nationally ranked school in the 1980’s. I’m old school. I don’t like the BCS. I don’t like receivers wearing gloves, regardless of the temperature, and I don’t like excessive celebrations. that said, the only think worse than excessive celebrations, it the rule banning it. how in the name of Amos Alonzo Stagg can an official determine (in a split second) if a 18-21 year-old athlete is attempting to “draw attention to himself”? the “rules committee” or whatever you call it needs to lighten up. they made this mess and they’re asking the zebras to clean it up. it’s a dumb rule written by dumb people.

DawginLex

October 5th, 2009
5:23 pm

Anybody know if we could have punted from the 15 after the TD and penalty? I know you can after a safety but I didn’t know if we could have done it after a TD.

Butler skying one to the other 35 for a fair catch seems a lot better to me than what actually happened.

Anyone know the rule?

DawginLex

October 5th, 2009
5:25 pm

Jefferson,

1980
1981
1982
1983
1986
1987
1988
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007

RealDawg

October 5th, 2009
5:25 pm

Agree, the rule needs to be changed.

Also..we should have taken the wind in the 4th versus coming into the closed end. There was a pretty good tail wind we could have used on that kickoff.

bullwinkle

October 5th, 2009
5:26 pm

If you’re going to get rid of a stupid rule that hurts the game, get rid of the one that allows coaches to manipulate sideline timeouts in such a way that kickers attempting last-second field goals wind up having to make it twice.

They ought to have to call the timeout before the line is set.

if I were a gator I'd eat more dawg

October 5th, 2009
5:27 pm

What gets me – and I can’t seem to get you dawg fans to understand this – GA STILL HAD TO STOP LSU. Just to show the bias of the ajc – the writer of the article on the SEC officials stated: “The 15-yard penalty assessed on the ensuing kickoff, along with another five-yard penalty on Georgia for illegal formation on the kickoff, helped the Tigers start the next possession at the Bulldogs’ 38-yard line.” YEA – RIGHT – IT HELPED the Tigers start at UGA’d 38 – as if UGA’s pathetic kick-return team couldn’t stop LSU (I find it funny that LSU was able to stop UGA on their kick-return after LSU’s celebration penality). And if that were not enough, the RB for LSU would have still scored if he ran that play from LSU’s own 20.
SO GA fans – quit your gripping. There have been MANY of times that calls that were not right went your way – just look at the SC game where SC had a TD called back where the replay showed there was not a penality. So just eat your grits and shut-up.

what ever

October 5th, 2009
5:30 pm

You know people – there was another call that wasn’t made that should have been made that had LSU lost they could have legitimately complained about – Cox should have been called for a safety in the end-zone but wasn’t. That was clearly a safety – but in the feable mutted minds of the dawg fans you could admit it. LSU wins the game on that safety.

Eric C.

October 5th, 2009
5:35 pm

Tony, great article…you are right on. The folks who claim Dawg fans are whining are missing the point…it’s all about letting the players decide the game on the field. LSU may have still won…but it would have been a fairer fight.

Eric C.

October 5th, 2009
5:36 pm

Whatever – Chapas was right in the vicinity of where the ball was thrown…that was not intentional grounding.

DawginLex

October 5th, 2009
5:36 pm

whatever,

He was outside the tackle box and Chapas was right next to where the ball was thrown.

Nice try.

Sorry Dogs

October 5th, 2009
5:37 pm

It was a bad call. Big F’ing deal!

You still control your own destiny. Just beat Florida and the rest of the SEC East, then beat LSU or Bama.

Hell Utah beat Bama, why can’t Georgia?

Do that, and everyone will believe you’re a Top 5 team.

Until then, you’re a shizophrenic two loss team that could be circling the drain.

Eric C.

October 5th, 2009
5:38 pm

what ever – And even if Chapas wasn’t there…replays showed Cox had moved just outside the tackle box

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
5:38 pm

Hey bammers,Gators,Nerds,Tigers and the rest, if ya’lls team would have had the same call,Ya’ll would be just as pissed as we are. I’ve heard fans from every one of your
asteemed insitutions whine and moan over calls that were
no where near as bad as the one against Greene.If that same play and call had happened against Notre Dame, Florida or USC, ESPN would have an hour long show showing
how bad it was and what the the NCAA need to do about it.

ReptilesRule

October 5th, 2009
5:42 pm

Man, I just love some of these dumbazz Dawg fans on here. They get all worked up and full of hate because Tebow is talked about so much. And when he’s not even relevant to the conversation, guess what they do…bring him up!!! Now how smart is that?? About as smart as a dumb Dawg…

TrueCrimson

October 5th, 2009
5:43 pm

… and Mr. College Football would write an article condemning it.

You’re right. It was a bad call.

Excuse me

October 5th, 2009
5:43 pm

The call was bad, but the call didn’t miss the tackle on Charles Scott that led toa td. UGA is undisciplined and even though it was a bad call, it directly reflects on the lack of discipline which also showed in poor tackling and the numerous other silly penalties called against UGA. This is an undisciplined team like the Phillip Fulmer teams at UT snf it’s showing out on the field. UT’s record maybe worse this year and Kiffin does run his mouth too much, but he has made this an extremely disciplined team and here are the stats to prove it: #1 in the SEC in terms of lowest amount of penalties and penalty yardage this year, highest team gpa in 4 years, and 0 arrests since LK arrived. He has booted many cancers and distractions off the team. (Demetrice Morley, Lennon Creer are the two starters that have been booted and Receiver Brandon Warren has just been suspended for the season for various TEAM offenses ie lack of effort in practice and recently being a prima donna on the sideline this past Saturday.
Richt is a good coach but when is he gonna clamp down and lay down the law with this team that has underachieved for 1 and 1/2 seasons now?
Hopefully UGA will beat UT like they should this Saturday considering the vastly better depth assembled by Richt, but then again, how many top-5 classes does it take to build a NC contender because UGA is at 7 and counting.

David Granger

October 5th, 2009
5:44 pm

I sort of agree with you, Tony…let’s get rid of the “excessive celebration” rule, and just STRICTLY enforce a rule against “taunting”.

But let’s be consistent, and call ALL of it:
When a player sacks a QB, and does that exaggerated “goose step stomp strut” down the field…
When a player knocks down a pass, and then gets in the receiver’s face waving his arms for “incomplete” and shaking his head NO NO NO…
When a player tackles a running back behind the line of scrimmage, and poses over him, refusing to move, even when the RB is trying to get up…

Why is all that NOT considered “excessive”, and “calling attention to oneself”?
Let’s call every bit of that, and take the “punk” out of college football. Just about every team nowadays acts like that damn FSU scum

Saint Simons

October 5th, 2009
5:53 pm

12 to 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha

Bibble

October 5th, 2009
5:53 pm

Reptile, I understand your sensitivity to the Tebow issue. He really does make a spectacle of himself every time UF has a big play (some would say a complete horse’s a$$, but I’m more charitable).

At least the refs nailed him on the “chomp” he did in the OU game. Real classy, such a humble and pious servant of the Lord, huh?

I’m sure he delivered a wonderful prayer afterward…

Saint Simons

October 5th, 2009
5:54 pm

29 to 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha

Saint Simons

October 5th, 2009
5:54 pm

32 to 27!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha

KJ

October 5th, 2009
5:59 pm

Don’t forget the gator thug that drove Knowshon into the ground, and continued to whale on him well after the play was over, and Penn Wager$ didn’t do sht. “No discretion”, my azz.

If he’s assigned to officiate any more UGA games, someone needs to send him a message… maybe he wakes up to find Lou Holtz’s prostate in his sheets.

Cry Me a River

October 5th, 2009
5:59 pm

You know, UGA could’ve kept Trindon Holliday from getting a 40 yard kickoff return shortly thereafter.

They could’ve stopped Charles Scott on an obvious running play.

And they could’ve had their own kickoff return of 40 yards after the makeup call against Charles Scott.

They did none of the above and lost. Too bad. Make the most of your circumstances.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
6:08 pm

Why are any of you pups worried about a celebration penalty? Your coach said out of his own mouth: The penalties don’t bother me. Blame the coach,not the refs!!!!!!!!!! Get your priorities straight…………… TOHWG

[...] mean quite literally everyone, from those irresponsible bloggers to indignant mainstream barkers to sober insiders to yours truly … and, as of this afternoon, the head of SEC [...]

Willie Martinez

October 5th, 2009
6:11 pm

The call did not determine the outcome of the game. My defense couldn’t make a play as usual.

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
6:16 pm

Coach Smith,

Take a breath and calm down. You guys lost a highly emotional game and obviously the call didn’t help. But the refs didn’t help Holliday return the ball 40 yards and they didn’t help Scott run 33 yards for a td on a play that if you added back the 15 yards it wouldn’t have made a difference.

The better team won and LSU dominated statistically. Take your lumps and move on.and quit with the whining.

Frank Wren

October 5th, 2009
6:23 pm

You know, UGA could’ve kept Trindon Holliday from getting a 40 yard kickoff return shortly thereafter.

they would have if we could have kicked off from the 30. Maybe even a little thing called a touchback. when you kick from the 15 all that is out the window.

Frank Wren

October 5th, 2009
6:25 pm

At least the SEC manned up and admitted they blew it. Time to move on and take care of Tenn.

We are one of the handful of elite programs in the nation. Even if we do stumble a little this year we will still always be one of the top 10 or so programs in the country. Tech can only aspire to that.

Crimson nation

October 5th, 2009
6:26 pm

Also, don’t know if it was you but some of you need to quit with the Tebow bashing and lashing out at other programs like Bama.

Now,about your Bama bashing and your rhetorical question about when has Bama won anything. We at least won our division last year which you haven’t done in 4 years and have done only twice in 17 years of 2 division football. Your sec titles are 2 in 27 years.

And before you won the 02 sec title you hadn’t won a conference title in 20 years. So you had a little success between 2002 and 2005 and now you want to pick that particular point in time to make an argument. Why not pick alltime if you want to live in the past?

Or why not just pick a point from the inception of the sec in 1992.

Or rather than live in the past why not just count the previous year’s results as most people give one year bragging rights and include of course the present year. Of course you don’t like any of these measuring sticks because they don’t suit your particular case or point in time.

Let’s just look at the previous 10 year block since you want to include the Richt era only and 10 years is a nice round number to look at. Soooooo, lets just go back to the last 10 years from 1999 through 2008 to include the Richt era and to have a nice little 10 year block of time.

Georgia has had probably its best 10 year run in history and has 3 division titles in that span including 2 sec titles. Over the same span bama won its division 3 times 99,02,and 08. In 02 we didn’t play in the seccg due to probation but we won the division outright. We have one sec title to show for it vs 2 for UGA. Over this 10 year span it was probably the worst decade in Alabama football history.

Don’t get it yet? Let me help you. The point is that at your best 10 year run in your football history you are barely better than us at our worst 10 year run in our football history. Chew on that one for awhile.

And don’t even get me started on comparing success since the inception of the 2 division format or all time success. Those are arguments you not only cannot win but you will end up looking like a dam fool if you want to get into a comparison.

Crimson nation

October 5th, 2009
6:27 pm

my previous post is directed at you coach smith

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
6:31 pm

Yours Truly: Get a life,swap teams. You will be happier!!!

Old man fan

October 5th, 2009
6:31 pm

Yes Tony’ it was a stupid, silly, call. But come on, its gonna affect the team the rest of the season? If it does, and they can’t overcome that. Then they don’t deserve to win any more games. Comments like that in your article is what makes you look like “my poor little bulldogs” lost another game due to bad calls.Thats just stupid. I’m sure you have seen alot of games over the years, but really I pray this team is better coached than that. “UGA had a bad call in the LSU game back in oct. and it ruined the season for them. R. U. KIDDING ME. GROW UP TB

SEC4Life

October 5th, 2009
6:31 pm

I knew the excessive celebration rule was garbage when it was called on Jake Locker last year and subsequently cost Washington the game. The calls on both Charles Scott and AJ Green were even worse.

I will say this though, p*ss poor tackling on Charles Scott’s game-winning TD run are just as much to blame.

ugafanatic

October 5th, 2009
6:31 pm

FACE IT DAWGS WEVE GOT TWO WINS LEFT, VANDY AND LOUISANA TECH. 5-7 IS NOT A BAD YEAR. ITS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE AND GET SOME COACHES THAT HAVE SOME FIRE. QUIT BEING LOYAL TO THE COACHES, GET RID OF BOBO, FABRIS AND MARTINEZ. IF NOT GET RID OF RICHT. LAST YEAR THEY ASKED DAVID POLLACK WHAT THE PROLEM WAS AND WITHOUT PAUSING HE SAID COACHING.

The refs did cheat and I can prove it.

October 5th, 2009
6:32 pm

Didn’t you see the refs tripping UGA players as they were trying to tackle Holliday. They did it again when the dogs couldn’t tackle a galloping Charles Scott. I saw one ref sucker punch a dog as he was closing in on Scott to make a 10 yard tackle for a loss in the LSU backfield. The refs helped LSU on the other 70 something yards they covered on their way to a td. Didn’t you guys know that????

Tim Rupert

October 5th, 2009
6:33 pm

TIDE RISING…. The made up celebration did help Holliday on his runback and the refs absolutly did help Scott on the td run, they did not see Rennie Curran get mauled (Tackled) on the scott td run.

Look at the reverse angle of the play and then tell me that the refs did not help. A olman tackles a LB on the biggestplay and it was not called, happens all the time right. The refs missed a face mask bya lsu ol also, two missed calls and a fantom call allin the final five minutes, why would anybody complain about that, happens every game right?

p

October 5th, 2009
6:37 pm

Ref is a GT a-hole, he should be FIRED.

Your Tackle is My Pancake

October 5th, 2009
6:37 pm

@TimRupert

Curran got “told” on that block. Pancaked. Nuff said.

Tim Rupert

October 5th, 2009
6:41 pm

Yes he did, he did get pancaked from behind. If you think a linebacker being tackled from behind is a pancake block, you would probably fit in as a SEC official. The replay shows the truth.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
6:42 pm

P: Stop whining and go to the bathroom>>>>>this way to the boys room!!

GTfan

October 5th, 2009
6:43 pm

It may have been a bad call, but there is no way it was a worse call than the ACC referee refusing to stop the clock for GT against UNC. There is no subjectivity there. You go out of bounds — the clock stops. You get a first down — the clock stops. Tony, how can you say this unsportsmanlike conduct call was worse than the call from GT/UNC?

GetReal

October 5th, 2009
6:47 pm

I always liked the quote “When you score a touchdown, act like you’ve been there before”.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
6:48 pm

What has UGA done to feel the wrath of the SEC officials? I really hate that the dawgs have been targeted all these years but for the most part they have overcome this blatent effort to push them into the pits of the SEC. I bet Jan Kemp had something to do with this, she put the program back by holding the athletic departments accountable. Maybe the SEC is upset with Pres. Adams not sure what he has done but he11 he is such an a$$ could be him. Or maybe this whole thing is just the whining of the idiot fringe of the UGA nation. The call good or bad happened. You cover the lanes and the return man does not get the yardage and if you stay onside and they don’t get an extra 5 yards. LSU gets the same penalty and you only get an 8 yard return. You did not deserve the win because you were out played and out coached. Get over it and move on to next week. Then when Tenn. whips your a$$ you can blame the SEC officials conspiracy to take down the dawgs.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
6:51 pm

GetReal: Nice quote,but do you think GA will ever act that way? NADA!

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
6:57 pm

Paper Tiger
Your own team has a idiot fringe of whiners.

not a homer

October 5th, 2009
6:58 pm

Tony you are right…you are a homer…Dawgs take your lumps link your wounds

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
6:59 pm

GT for me and your Mama
I know the Nerds aren’t talking about whiners
after all the Chan Gailey years and having to
beat Georgia vicariously through Florida.

Dawg Days

October 5th, 2009
7:00 pm

Rogers Redding told the Athens Banner-Herald Monday…

“My sense of it is that the official reacted to what he saw, he didn’t make this up,” Redding said after reviewing video. “He reacted to what he saw, but on the other hand the video that we looked at does not support the call that was made on the field.”

My question is how does Roger Redding know the ref didnt make this up? He needs to make the ref accountable, and indicate on the film what he saw A.J. do to draw the flag. Absent that, he made it up, and the next question must be why? for 5-0 FLA/LSU matchup, CBS payola…or Fla celebration retaliation?

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
7:01 pm

Tide Rising

and others saying “The Refs didn’t stop UGA from tackling Holiday” or “LSU got a flaf too”

Do you have no idea of CONTEXT and TIMING of a penalty and how that can affect the MENTAL and PHYSICAL aspect of what happens next

When that flag is thrown, UGA goes from the HIGHEST of HIGHS with everything going their way, to the LOWEST of LOWS realizing that LSU needs only a field goal and that by the time they catch the kickoff, LSU will be in field goal range

It wasn’t just the flag, it was WHEN it was thrown and WHAT the timing can do to the emotion of the game

Because of WHEN it was thrown, it critical and it was a back breaker

By the time UGA got the ball back, the air was out of the balloon. You were basically asking UGA to make a mirical comeback TWICE in a minute or two after they had earned the victory on the field and had the opportunity to defend that victory taken from them

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:02 pm

Hey 518, no penalty AJ and there is a rekick because the dawgs were offside. I forgot the SEC has it in for the dawgs. GET OVER IT.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
7:03 pm

GTfan

please! That was a call at the end of the FIRST HALF in a game you were up 10-0

There was time to overcome it.

What makes this call 1000x’s worse is WHEN it was thrown

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:06 pm

Coach smith, that is BS and you know it. A good football team does not lay down when there is adversity. They turn that adversity around to a positive. I hope the coach in your name is a metaphore and not an occupation.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:07 pm

Coach, sing your logic LSU should have laid down and let the dawgs score after they were penalized.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:09 pm

Sorry coach, that should be with

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
7:09 pm

Mike T.: I hear your coach call! He want’s you to bring him the rest of Chan Gailey’s playbook. He didn’t like the first 3 years of plays in the book. He want’s you to bring him the last 2 years. He thinks that might help,since nothing else is working. Now run along!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:14 pm

Mike T, all teams have the idiot fringe. Dawg Days, if what you are saying is true then the SEC is not the elite conference that is being published. If what yhou say is true then the NCAA should shut down the SEC immediately because my friend that is cheating.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
7:15 pm

Paper Tiger

Georgia DIDN’T lay down, they fought the WHOLE GAME, took the lead in the 4th quarter, saw LSU re-claim the lead with under 3 minutes to go and answered the bell by driving down field (not a cheaply given short field but 75+ yards) and score what should’ve been a winning TD

The PLAYERS on both side made plays to decide those events BUT THEN a REF (admittedly now by the SEC) takes it upon himself to call a flag on something that didn’t happen

There has to be a defeated sense of “What in the hell do we have to do? We earned it fair and square and now some ref is going to screw us”

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:15 pm

He’s not saying they laid down, they were rattled,
ever played sports? IT HAPPENS!Should they pulled their
self together? Yes. If there had been any time left on the clock.Remember last year when FL blocked those two
punts, Kentucky was rattled.It happens, even to the bunch
you pull for.

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
7:20 pm

This is unbelievable. I thought you guys whined alot when we leapfrogged you into the NC game 2 years ago but this takes the cake.

You better worry about Tennessee. Lane is gonna have his players believing they can beat you.

You need to face reality that this is a rebuilding year for the Dawgs. 9-3 would be a good year for you considering you lost 2 stud players.

Geaux Tigers!
Go SEC!

T

October 5th, 2009
7:25 pm

This should be called The Sore Loser Blog ….

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:25 pm

One thing Mark Richt don’t need is anything from Chan Gailey.Get ready to say by by to Johnson, Notre Dame beckons.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:31 pm

jumbeauxtiger

Hey who pulled your chain, A few turn of events and your
bunch would be crying Cajun French all the way to the NCAA. Us worry about Tennnessee? ya’ll better worry about
how bad Florida gonna whip ya’ll with or without Tebow.
Ya’ll ain’t gotta face em alone. we hope ya’ll score on
them.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
7:32 pm

Mike T.I like your compliment to our coach! A lot of teams would like to have him,including UGA!

D.Ellis

October 5th, 2009
7:37 pm

Actaully the biggest play of the game was one that didn’t happen.

If Joe Cox hits AJ Green in stride in the second series of the game he goes for a 95 yard TD and the LSU score is the tieing and not the winning score. That turned out to be the biggest “non” play of the game

Did the penalty affect the game. You bet it did. With 2 timeouts and the ball at the UGA 40 something they could run it and run down the clock and kick the game winner.

Kicking off from normal distance….barring the same return…….means that LSU now must throw ball to get in range at some point in the drive. Could LSU have done it in the air? Sure why not. But UGA also had 6 sacks on the day and was putting a very good amount of pressure on Jefferson all day…who by the way Jefferson played a very good game in my opinion. But UGA with 6 sacks on Jefferson stood a better chance attacking a young LSU line with Kade Westin who was dominating the young LSU true fresh guard. ( Notice the great run by Jefferson was from right to left avoiding the pressure from the left side of UGA line that was killing LSU right part of line)

Bottom line is LSU is a very good team that is going to give UF all they can handle. Congrats to LSU and their fans for a tough hard fought SEC road victory. IT was a great game to watch and LSU deserved the W every bit.

DAWGS and DAWG fans. We have a HUGE HUGE game to get ready for in KNoxville. Get behind your team. UGA still controls their own destiny so let’s take care of this week. Last week was last week and it;s over with. Let the other teams fans have their fun. IF we sucked they wouldn’t care.

UT is a wounded team looking for their first SEC victory and they are at home. What better way then to upend a UGA team fresh off a last second defeat. Get ready for another fight DAWGS

GOOOOOO DAWGS

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 5th, 2009
7:38 pm

worst call in 32 years?

yeah, no bias from Tony.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:38 pm

Well I’am ex Navy, I liked him when he was at Annapolis.
He’ll be a good Catholic.Let’s hope he don’t lie like O’Leary did. You know you actually have to fill out a job
application at Notre Dame.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:40 pm

Notre Dame and Johnson, now that is a joke. First I don’t think he would go and second ND is not looking for a coach. You guys cannot bring the facts so you start throwing stones at other programs. You live in the past because you are concerned about the future. Look at the now and to the future…sorry, that is not very exciting today is it.

Lew

October 5th, 2009
7:43 pm

If they must have a celebration penalty, why not penalize the player by kicking him out of the game, with no penalty to the team (other than the loss of his services). I think this penalty would cause more player to consider the consequences before trying to light up the crowd, but it also won’t change the potential outcome of the game!

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:44 pm

Bottom line is LSU is a very good team that is going to give UF all they can handle.

Red China could have a team, coached by Bin Laden and play Florida and I’d pull for the Chinese, but I’ll tell
you right now, Florida is gonna rip LSU a new one right in the own back yard.It’s gonna be bad and ugly and they
might ought not let women or children in the stadium.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:48 pm

D.Ellis, I am not sure the rest of the dawg fans saw that play. I know my heart sunk when Cox released the ball but an over throw made me feel pretty good. Let’s talk about tha kick off after the penalty. If he kicks from the 30 and there is not return…UGA will have to kick again from the 25 because they were offside on the kick off. We defeatd you, bad calls happen…we kicked off from the 15 and you only gained 8 yards because you failed to block a man running down the hash marks. I will not apologize for the victory and for your fans to think the SEC is out to get the dawgs or they wanted to insure a strong match between fla and lsu next weeks is totally stupid.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:49 pm

ND is not looking for a coach
well they keep going to overtime to beat teams with losing records and it won’t be long.

so you start throwing stones at other programs.
Isn’t that your purpose for being on this blog?
Alot of ya having taken your time and probably
gone out of your way to throw stomes at UGA.

D-one

October 5th, 2009
7:49 pm

Man. we should have celebrations after ever play. What we should be doing is having compitition to see who can do the biggest celebration. Don’t even need a football. Why even have a game with officials? Let the fans give it up for the best celebrater..

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
7:50 pm

Paul Johnson as head coach and Richt as offensive coordinator. A match made in heaven, for you UGA fans.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:57 pm

Mike T., I have not thrown stones at any program. This was a blog about gettin rid of a rule that happened to upset the dawg nation. Hey, my team won and I am happy. My disappointment is the way the dawy fans on this blog take that call and come up with a conspiracy against uga. Uga always is upset with Tech but I think that now it is a little worse because of PJ. He is turning that program around. Yes we beat them down in the bowl but we were angry and they were still on the 45-42 high. They make a lot of mistakes but still moved the ball well. I have found it hard to have an intellegent conversation with a dawg fan because they think they were cheated and shoud have won the game. Tough.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
7:57 pm

Paul Johnson as head coach and Richt as offensive coordinator. A match made in heaven, for you UGA fans.

Maybe Jim Donnan as HC and recall Chan Gailey as OC for
you Nerds when PJ bolts for South Bend.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
7:58 pm

Sorry for all the typos but I am on my laptop and I hate this keyboard.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:02 pm

Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:03 pm

I have never understood why you use the term nerd all the time for Tech. I am a computer science major from LSU and I am very proud of my degree. Is your definition of anyone who is intellegent and wants a degree in anything but recreation is a nerd. What a narrow mind.

fletch

October 5th, 2009
8:04 pm

Enter your comments here

santa cruz dawg

October 5th, 2009
8:06 pm

Take off your helment or show up opponets =penalty/ Jump up and down with teamates and celebrate a great play, to possibly win a game= joy for the game. And no way should a flag be thrown.

P.S UGA please get some more players who want to tackle on Defense and run block and run through defenders, on Offense.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:10 pm

I have found it hard to have an intellegent conversation with a dawg fan because they think they were cheated and shoud have won the game.

Man I have said many times since Saturday,even previously
on this current blog, that the call was bad,even the one on Scott was bad,but what cost uga the game was no offense in the first half, 1 first down,three completed passes. Cox off target with plenty of time to throw, no running game.Yeah i know you Cajuns think it was your world class defense, but if that was the case,the game would
have probably ended 6-0.You can’t wait till the second half to get cranked up.The bad call ain’t what did us in,
it was waiting until half time to even act like we were in a game offensively.However it was a bad call.just as the one on Scott was bad.From the 1:09 mark on, LSU outplayed the Dawgs. That was the difference.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:10 pm

santa cruz dawg, not on the playing field.

G8TR

October 5th, 2009
8:11 pm

Worst call in college football in 30+ years? You’ve got to be kidding. I don’t cover CFB for a living and it’s easy to recall worse calls. (See below.) Yes, yours is a purely homer column, Mr. Barnhart. [...the "Fifth Down Game" is the name for a 1990 college football game that included a play that the crew officiating permitted to occur in error. That play enabled the Colorado Buffaloes to defeat the Missouri Tigers by scoring a touchdown on the last play of their game on October 6, 1990. The ensuing controversy cast doubt on Colorado's claim to Division I-A's 1990 national championship. It has been called one of the top memorable moments and blunders in college football history.]

fletch

October 5th, 2009
8:12 pm

Enter your comments here hey folks…this is college football!!! these people are trying their hearts out…for love of the game, for their potential professional futures. we all know they’re not there for the bs/ba degree…celebration is part of the GAME!!! it’s not called in baseball, soccer or tennis. call the facemask, the hold, the late hit…leave ‘em alone when they score in the endzone. maybe the cameras/tv coverage should cut to commercials(someone’s making MONEY!!!) after every TD???

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:15 pm

PaperTiger: UGA uses that word,because it’s kind of like the bully in school, you know the one that comes in contact with a smart kid.,and automatically calls him or her a nerd………

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:17 pm

I have never understood why you use the term nerd all the time for Tech. I am a computer science major from LSU and I am very proud of my degree

You don’t think Tech has some derogatory terms for UGA?

I’m sure you LSU fans have some terms for Tulane students
that Im sure we Georgia faithful would find highly offensive.I guess it’s a University of Georgia/Georgia Institute of Technology thing.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:18 pm

I understand the word nerd but it seems to me as a lack of respect for higher education and intellegence. Not sure I want to attack the institution but the football program is fair game.

D.Ellis

October 5th, 2009
8:18 pm

Paper Tiger- I’, not disagreeing with the fact LSu won the game??? How could I…they won it fair and square. I don’t think I or anyone else is asking for an apology for the victory? However we can rehash the kick off.

UGS wold have never kicked off from the 25. Kicking from the 15 was the reason for the quick kick…ie running straight from the huddle in a sprint down the field. UGA was not offsides on the penalty. The call was not enough men on one side of the football for a kickoff. No one was off sides. The new rule is on kickoffs that a kicking team must have at least 4 members of the team on either side of the ball. UGA only had 3.

Had UGA not been called for celebration they would have kicked off regular like they have all year with an even amount of 5 on each side. Kicking stright out of a huddle on a dead sprint was the result of kicking from the 20.

Thats not an excuse. Thats a fact. Another fact is LSU won the game. Congrats. It was a big win and well earned. It was a tough fought game on both ends that was exciting to watch.

MIKE T-That was pretty funny i might add….however I don’t see UFs WR’s matching up against LSU D-backs very well. My thoughts are it is a great game where UF will have to run the ball with alot of success. Jefferson ( if on) out of the pocket will be difficult handle. LSU’s WR’s are every bit as physical and strong as the UF DB’s. UF has not been “battled tested” except for a 1 deminsional UT team. This game will be very good and I’m looking forward to watching another big match up.

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
8:19 pm

Mike T, the 6 web pages of whining on here “pulled my chain”. Yep and if the “chain of event” when Lindsay pulled that long play out in the end against the Gators in 1980 hadn’t occurred you wouldn’t have won the NC either. My point: good teams make plays just like we did when you guys failed to stop Holiday and Scott. Anyone can look at most games and say if if if if if……..

Yes we may get stomped by the Gators but I would rather be 5-0 and ranked #4 than 4-1 and 15th had we lost to the Dawgs. We won’t fall out of the top 25 if we lose to the Gators. Had we lost to you and the Gators we likely would have.

BTW we are worried about FL and I hope Tebow plays

Good luck against the Vols. I do hope you win.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:21 pm

Paper Tiger,
Look real hard and see if you can find the words,leghumper,mutts,UGAY,UGAG,etc.
GT for Nerds wants to act like their picked on. HA ha

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:23 pm

I stand corrected on the penalty. I remember them breaking from the huddle and sprinting to the kickoff. Maybe they do that from the 30, I don’t know. It is football and I truly hate that the only thing that can be discussed is a penalty. Do you believe there is a conspiracy against UGA by the SEC?

barneyb

October 5th, 2009
8:25 pm

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:27 pm

Those terms are not acceptable either. Football is a sport to be enjoyed. One team will be better than the other. I would assume that if you stopped using the term nerd you might find those other terms begin to disappear also.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:28 pm

Mike T.: I don’t you out of your name! I just call you UGA or GA.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:30 pm

If I were a betting man, and I am not, I would bet those using deroggatory names for the opposing fans never went to the Tech or UGA. Just wanna be’s

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:30 pm

Maybe a puppy every now and then! HAHA

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:31 pm

To many g’s sorry

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
8:33 pm

Coach Smith,

From what I’ve read from other Georgia posters on here the alleged hold on Curran happened after Scott had already blown by him. And on top of that what some of you guys don’t realize is that you can block in the back 3 yards on either side of the line of scrimmage. What you thought was a illegal probably wasn’t illegal to the refs.

Are we going to continue whining about ref calls and alleged facemasks and plays where you think a penalty should have been called but one wasn’t. Another poster talked about a facemask and another hold he saw that the refs missed all in the last 5 minutes. Good God! You don’t think the LSU fans probably saw a half dozen plays where they thought UGA was holding?

As for the 15 yard penalty changing the entire complexion of the game? Gimme a dam break. If that was the case UGA would have been blown out by Florida in 07 when the dogs committed something like 4 unsportsmanlike penalties in the 1st qtr alone. Didn’t seem to change the result of that game now did it?

I’ve pretty much lost all respect for most of the dawg fans. I’ve seen fans whine about refs and blown calls but in my entire life I’ve never seen it to this degree. First the 14 pt loss to Okay state was solely due to the refs and now the LSU game was due to one penalty. Nevermind the other plays like the return or Scott rampaging through the D. I guess those plays have nothing to do with the play. The game was automatically over cause of one penalty? Unbelievable!

You have got to be kidding? One poster above said the penalty even aided the Holiday return. How on God’s green earth is that possible?

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
8:33 pm

LSU cheats to win.
Dawgs meet them again in SECCG.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:33 pm

which,in my view is kind of sweet!

War Eagle

October 5th, 2009
8:33 pm

Tony, No respect, you play both sides of the fences…Nick Saban is your press darling

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:35 pm

when Lindsay pulled that long play out in the end against the Gators in 1980 hadn’t occurred you wouldn’t have won the NC either.
9
Man what are you talking about? Lindsay Scott? 1980?
I’m talking about turn of events in the game Saturday.
If ya’ll threw the TD pass with a 1:09 and got the call
Greene got and we had prevailed is what I was talking about. However I feel our lack of offense in the 1st half is what cost us the game.But it was still a lame call
and had it happened to Notre Dame or USC ESPN WOULD HAVE
run a special program on it Sunday and would still be talking about it.

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
8:36 pm

LSU,

Admit you stole the game with refs help. Quit the charade of…”we just played harder”
The refs cheated for you…congrats on winning a fixed game.
Why don’t you go kick an old lady or little kid now. Cheaters.

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
8:37 pm

One other thing that I would like an answer to which makes the whole issue mute. In the 1st qtr LSU qb funbled at the 15 and the ball bounced out at the 17. Replay CONCLUSIVELY SHOWED that the qb’s elbow was down at the 15. 2 plays later LSU fails to convert on a 4th and half yard. Had they not been screwed by 2 crucial yards in a red zone situation they would have had a first down and goal at the 7. More than likely they would have scored a td and or a field goal which would make your whole argument about LSU ’s last score mute because they wouldn’t have needed antoher score. Why is it you guys don’t mention this play but you bring up all these other holding and facemask penalties that you saw that the refs failed to call?

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:37 pm

Tide Rising, what you say makes sense but my concern is with the comments about the SEC conspiricy against the dawgs. That is totally ridiculeous.

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
8:38 pm

Maybe we should have a new penalty this year…
excessive cheating….
congrats on cheating your way to 5-0

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:39 pm

I don’t you out of your name!
GT Sylvan is ready when you are.

Paper bulldawgs

October 5th, 2009
8:39 pm

Waaaaaaa!!!!! The refs stole 2 games from us this year. Waaaaaa!!!!! Its all a grand conspiracy to screw my dawgs Waaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
8:39 pm

Gueaueaxx tiggers
Cheat cheat cheat

bank walker

October 5th, 2009
8:40 pm

Tony, I totally agree! Plus, I do realize this loos came from the sideline as well. This was a total Vegas call if I have ever saw one!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:40 pm

Yuck, sorry but Ala. and Fla. in the championship game.

Paper bulldawgs

October 5th, 2009
8:41 pm

Yuck,

I don’t guess anybody playing Georgia has ever had a bad call against them that cost them the game.

Just ask Central Florida about bogus offensive pass interference penalties 5 yards out of bounds in Athens a few years back. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:41 pm

See what I mean Tide, the call was made to assist vegas now. The NCAA should ban the SEC if this is true.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:44 pm

I don’t guess anybody playing Georgia has ever had a bad call against them that cost them the game.

Yeah well name one.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:46 pm

Run Lindsey Run! We stepped on their face with a HOBNAIL BOOT!!! Day Dreams!!!!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:46 pm

You are certain the call cost you the game…I sho not say what I am about to say….you my friend are an idiot.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:47 pm

Didn’t seem to change the result of that game now did it?
Don’t you know, Florida excuse for that game, was Tebow’s
hurt non throwing shoulder.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:47 pm

that was suppose to be ’should’

Truth Is!

October 5th, 2009
8:49 pm

The truth is that Les still hasn’t won against the Dawgs.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:49 pm

I would say that overthrown passes, kickoff returns, and poor tackling cost you the game. All you had to do is make one stop but you did not.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:49 pm

Run Lindsey Run! We stepped on their face with a HOBNAIL BOOT!!!

I hope your not trying to say those two plays were bad calls.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:50 pm

You would not know the truth if it kicked you in the a$$

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:51 pm

I would say that overthrown passes, kickoff returns, and poor tackling cost you the game.

Seems like I said that a few posts back.
The call did cost us the game, but it was still bad.

Tide Rising

October 5th, 2009
8:53 pm

Paper Tiger,

I got nothing against the dogs but this whining about one penalty is nothing short of amazing. Good teams overcome penalties all the time. We had a terrible penalty called against us in the UK game Saturday. We didn’t whine about it. We just put our heads down and overcame it.

On the Florida 4th qtr drive that put UF back in the lead last year we stopped UF on 3rd down to force a punt but a very dubious facemask penalty was called because a bama players hand grazed but never grabbed the facemask of the florida back. It was at the most critical juncture in the game. Florida scored to retake the lead and momentum. We didn’t sit there and whine and cry over what was a very questionable call in a huge game. We just played on. And when we lost we didn’t harp all night on this one play. Why? Because there were 120 other plays in the game that we had a chance to make a difference and we didn’t. And in Georgia’s case the penalty didn’t cost the game. The failure to stop Holiday’s 40 yard run and Scott’s 33 yard run is what really did the dogs in. I guess its just easier to whine and blame everything on the refs rather than just manning up and saying the better team that dominated the day won.

Its like the dawg fans just flat out ignore the fact that LSU made the plays to win with the kick return and Scott’s run. And yet all these dawg fans can do is harp on a penalty. It really is unbelievable.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
8:55 pm

Not saying that. Just stop day dreaming. You lost. Except it. You will sleep good to night!

D.Ellis

October 5th, 2009
8:55 pm

Any fan that posts there is a “conspiracy theory” against UGA is asanine. That is the single most stupid thing any fan could think.

Tide Rising-Calls are calls good or bad. Some help…some don’t. Holiday took advantage of UGA using the “sprint out of the huddle kickoff” from the 20 by running to the very side that UGA was flagged for not having enough men. He went to the left sideline where UGA only 3 men down their right side line. Good thinking by his part. HE saw the mismatch in numbers and took advantage. Bad execution by UGA.

It;s not an excuse on my be half as I am sure we both can attest that alot of teams own fans that use the “refs” as loss scape goats. I enjoy talking ball with fans from other teams. Don’t get that to often on here but when you do it’s good conversation

I agree on the play Jefferson was down. LSU would have made a first down instead of going for it on 4th. It goes both ways. Not alot of people talk about the face mask penalty on Atkins. Not alot talk about the Illegal hands to the face call by the OL from LSU that would have been offsetting. The tv caught it. Scott scored 2 plays later from the 2.

LSU won out right fiar and square. Tip your hat and get ready for the next one.

Good Luck against OLe Miss.

Josh

October 5th, 2009
8:56 pm

“Buck”, what does jawga mean? Is it (jaw-guh)? Can’t replace one letter and leave the other one the same without making an ass of yourself. Kind’ve like “Julio Jones”. It’s either (Ju-leo Hone-eys) or (Hoo-leo Jones). Think next time.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
8:56 pm

The call was part of the game good or bad. Truthfully you could have had us down in the first half and I don’t think we could have recovered. I don’t think we are a #4 team. The goal line stand at MSU was more because of the poor play calling by MSU coaches. They kept running at our strength. I am a tiger but right I believe we are overrated. Our qb is going to be really good but afer only 6 starts he is not there. We have to generate more offense. We are a good team but not a top 5. Now the LSU fans will jump me.

Central Florida

October 5th, 2009
8:57 pm

While we’re talking about completely bogus calls I’m still waiting on my apology from Georgia regarding that bogus offensive pass interference on an out of bounds play that cost us 15 yards and took us out of field goal range and cost us a win several years ago. hey dawg fans let’s talk about that infamously bad call.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
8:59 pm

You would not know the truth if it kicked you in the a$$

Is this the Cajun who was trying to stick his nose in
between us and Techies,saying football is to be enjoyed by all, and preaching civility?

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:01 pm

Mike, sometimes yo just can’t resist. sorry

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:02 pm

Damn, this keyboard is killing me.

Central Florida

October 5th, 2009
9:03 pm

Didn’t the sec office and its officials make a public apology after they screwed us in that game? Didn’t that happen? I’m still waiting on dawg fans to admit that we got screwed by them. Now you know how it feels dawg fans. Except that we really got cheated. You still had plenty of opportunity to stop them. You just didn’t.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:03 pm

Mike, I am not a cajun. Born and raised in Georgia. Just went to LSU because I thought it was a great school.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:04 pm

The baseball scholarship did not hurt but that was many moons ago.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:07 pm

I married a cajun…me and Jeff Foxworthy have something in common. Those people can be wierd sometimes.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
9:07 pm

Not saying that. Just stop day dreaming. You lost. Except it. You will sleep good to night!

Hey I slept good Saturday night, it’s not going to worry me. I understand we lost, and it wasn’t because of a bad call, it was no offense and fundamentals,however that don’t change the fact it was a bad call.SEC said Scott’s
TD there was excessive celebration, I think that was a bad call.Paper Tiger and his Cajun intruders can’t hear
any of us saying that.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:09 pm

Truth be know Mike, I think both calls were bad.

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
9:09 pm

LSU won because they cheated…enough said.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
9:10 pm

Good Night Mike T. Sweet Dreams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:10 pm

Just glad we intercepted that pass or we might still be playing

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
9:10 pm

Cheaters never win…unless you are LSU…and then you win and brag about how you didn’t cheat.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:11 pm

Yuck, you are correct. We cheated.

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
9:11 pm

UGA was robbed by LSU and their refs. Deal with LSU…you didn’t win on merit or hard play…you won because you got help.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:12 pm

Hey Yuck, the official who called the penalty was a college roommate of mine. I took him to dinner after the game…make you happy?

Yuck

October 5th, 2009
9:13 pm

Paper Tiger,

I’ve gotta stop now…I was venting my frustration…and now I am on the floor laughing. Great comeback. Good luck next week.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
9:13 pm

Yuck: Your just a whiner. Go to bed!

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:14 pm

Yuck, just in case you have not figured it out I went to LSU and my roommate went there also…

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:14 pm

I am glad I made you laugh.

Paper Tiger

October 5th, 2009
9:16 pm

Guys, it has been fun but I have an early flght to catch in he morning. I must keep my cajun wife happy. Good luck to all of your teams this week, unless you are a gator.

GT For You and Me

October 5th, 2009
9:18 pm

See ya Tiger: Good luck this week!

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
9:19 pm

Central Florida,

I’m still waiting on dawg fans to admit that we got screwed by them.

Fans don’t do the officiating.And it wasn’t the dawg fans that screwed you.

We got enough Florida rivalry with the Gators,
ya’ll need to go find Valdosta State, or Georgia Southern
to be ya’ll’s arch rival. Maybe ya’ll can get lined up
with Georgia State.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
9:26 pm

unless you are a gator

Dilemma for Dawgs

Florida plays Georgia Tech?

Hmmm… Go Tech?

jumbeauxtiger

October 5th, 2009
9:35 pm

Mike T: “A few turn of events and your bunch would be crying Cajun French all the way to the NCAA”.

My point about Lindsay Scott was in direct response to your comment. The play Lindsay made was an event and understandably so.

Good teams make good things happen. We did when we had the ball our last 2 possessions: our 88 yard drive to go ahead 12-7 and then the kickoff by Holliday and ball busting run by Scott.

BTW. LSU has one of the best Strength and Conditioning Coaches in the nation in Tommy Moffett. He was at Miami and Tenn when they won NCs and now at LSU. Saban tried to lure him to the Dolphins when he left. Scott is a very strong runner, a testament to Moffett’s program.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Chad

October 5th, 2009
9:35 pm

I totally agree with Tony. The officialsare horrible. They need to stop trying to determine the outcome of games. Make calls only if the infraction is obvious and quit making calls they are not even sure about themselfs. These type of calls are ruining college football.

Chad

October 5th, 2009
9:38 pm

Gator players do their “gator chomp” throughout the game. Do the officials ever call that excessive celebration?

william cranman

October 5th, 2009
9:42 pm

Great article Tony! Well said.

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
9:48 pm

Mike T: “A few turn of events and your bunch would be crying Cajun French all the way to the NCAA”.
My point about Lindsay Scott was in direct response to your comment.

Your response in reguard to Lindsay Scott is crazy,
why would LSU be crying Cajun French to the NCAA,had
the 1980 play of Belue to Lindsay Scott had been different? A game between us and Florida.We being
undefeated, it would seem that it would benefit LSU
had we lost.As I said I was talking about turn of events
in Saturday game between GEORGIA AND LSU.Hmmm..

Mike T.

October 5th, 2009
9:53 pm

BTW, Georgia Strength and Conditioning coach is also among the best in the business, Richt brought him from
FSU,He was there during all those great years FSU was having back in the 90’s.

Tom, Resident Georgia Fan

October 5th, 2009
10:02 pm

Michael Watson needs to be suspended. Then he can move to Louisiana if he wants. A-hole.

SouthsideDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:06 pm

Tebow does the gator chomp, doesn’t get called. Green does almost nothing, gets a 15 yard penatly that costs UGA the win. The SEC looks after Florida and hoses Georgia.

David

October 5th, 2009
10:09 pm

Barnhart people like you and Greene and Golic… And everyone who was offended, I felt literally offended, by a call that ruined a great game for me… And robbed every player on that field of a satisfying finish to a great game. Even the LSU players, happy with a win, now have to see media questioning it’s truth? And that could impact some poll voters too… For what?! These are grown men that we could send to war and you treat them like toddlers?! Let them celebrate not taunt… fine. But what has been called by these misguided or lost officials is out of control. Reign them in or fire them and get some with common sense. Not these robots.
Again, Mr. Barnhart… I hope you and others with your position keep the heat on this. The NCAA acts like an imperial power. They act like they don’t care what anyone thinks. Exhibit A – BCS.

DH MD

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:27 pm

Honestly,

If you LSU fans, didn’t believe you were helped by the “penalty” you WOULD NOT FEEL THE NEED TO BE ON HERE DEFENDING IT!!!!!!!!

Cry Me a River

October 5th, 2009
10:46 pm

TimRupert you are a moron.

Curran didn’t get hit from behind, he got spun around and pancaked. He’s on his back, not his stomach… he’d have to be on his stomach to get hit from behind.

G8TR

October 5th, 2009
10:48 pm

It’s incredible the way you people “remember” how the Gator players chomp after every play/score. This is simply not true. That occurs in the stands (or, more likely, in your paranoid heads). In fact, Tebow WAS flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct the one time he did it during the National Championship game last year. So, get over yourselves. It’s pathetic to listen to an entire fan base — once again — claim to have lost a ballgame because it was not their own fault. (Sanks’ fumble ruling vs. GaTech, the UF timeout vs. Zeier’s team, an injury to D.J. Shockley cost you the game., etc., etc., etc.) Is it ever possible for UGA to lose just because they’re poorly coached or executed horribly for 60 minutes? Your team is mediocre. Deal with it and stop emailing the refs to make yourself better.

Ga boy

October 5th, 2009
11:04 pm

Awwwwwww Tony- you want some cheese with that whine????? Give me a freaking break- that was the worst call you have seen in over 30 years. Holy moly. You are indeed such a homer!!!

I still don't get it.

October 5th, 2009
11:10 pm

I’m still lost here. Why didn’t Gerogia just stop Holliday from returning the ball 40 yards? And then why didn’t they just stop Scott on that 33 yard run? Seems to me the penalty was only 15 yds but that the yards that LSU amassed of their own accord were 73 yards. Mmmm!

Bottom line is that the dogs just couldn’t stop LSU from amassing 73 yards in a short time. I guess that’s the ref’s fault also isn’t it dawg fans?

All ya had to do was stop them and you win. End of story. Refs didn’t move the ball 73 yards. LSU did that did they not?

Your Mother Is Fun

October 5th, 2009
11:14 pm

Reid Adair

October 5th, 2009
11:52 pm

Your suggestions for what is excessive require even more judgment on behalf of the officials. That can’t possibly be a good thing to consider.

Decatur Bred

October 6th, 2009
12:33 am

I simply could not have said it better. You said it and I will reiterate it, WE MUST GET BACK TO USING COMMON SENSE! Let common sense rule! I have a deep deep passion for college football and the Georgia Bulldogs, having a game end this way is just a true shame.

MVP

October 6th, 2009
12:52 am

BooHoo it’s always the ref’s fault when the mutts lose. Been telling you dumb hillbillies that ugay is over rated.

explain this

October 6th, 2009
1:08 am

1 2 3 4 T
LSU (8-5) 7 28 3 0 38
#14 GT (9-4) 3 0 0 0 3

No-longer-a-Tony-fan

October 6th, 2009
2:02 am

Central Florida

I agree with you but I guess Tony as a son of uga was looking the other way. It was the WORST call I have ever seen.

CC

October 6th, 2009
2:45 am

Really?!? I agree it was a really, really, bad call, but “The single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport” ?!? Not by a long shot.

All the lame whining and excuses. So the whole sad argument is that UGA was so deflated by a FIFTEEN yard difference in field position…the horrible injustice of that one penalty, that they just couldn’t deal, and lost the game because of it? Pathetic. It’s not like LSU just barely made it to the end zone with a couple of seconds left either…and they weren’t forced to try a long field goal…They waltzed into the end zone when it counted.

Truly good teams get over it and find a way. When a make-up call was assessed against LSU after UGA gave up the long TD (hello!), LSU managed to stop UGA when it counted…helped by UGA imploding. Did that bad call FORCE the Dogs to play inadequate defense and mishandle snaps in the closing minutes…and to go scoreless for most of the first part of the game? If you are blaming refs for all of that, then I’d be a lot more worried about your own problems than about the call itself.

UGA barely escaped against USC and Arizona State, and guess what, that was good enough to EARN those two “W”s which could gave been “L”s. No one’s taking those wins away. The call stunk, so the refs made a call against LSU to help make-up for it…but LSU made the plays when they had to and UGA didn’t…couldn’t pull this one out. Move on.

dawes

October 6th, 2009
5:36 am

i think the young kid practing all the times he should have the right to be happy when he score a touchdown i hope the refeere can live with his self remember your got to meek your heavenly father someday

Kim

October 6th, 2009
9:05 am

Tebow chomped OU last year (after listening to sh*t stirrers all game) & rightfully got the penalty. Worth every yard.
The UGA penalty being somehow karma for their “we got a TD!!!!!” celebration sanctioned by Saint MR 2 years ago? Priceless!!!!!

Jim

October 6th, 2009
9:05 am

This was a horrible call. While the call did not necessarily lose the game for UGA, it definitely changed the way UGA and LSU could play the remainder of the game. Beginning with the kick-off, UGA had to kick off as deep as possible to one of the most dangerous return men in the nation; no option for a deep pooch kick, a line drive kick through the endzone, or even kicking out of bounds. If LSU has to start the drive on its side of the field, the final minute of the game is played differently.

Decatur 4 Life

October 6th, 2009
9:55 am

I don’t think there’s any doubt that the call was a bad call, the thing I don’t like is it didn’t lose them the game by any stretch. That’s something we’ll never know, they couldn’t stop LSU all 4th quarter. The call was unfortunate but so was the tackling and the play of the secondary. Although the call shouldn’t have been made, I don’t think it decided the game. Like I heard so many time before it’s about execution!

Yellow Jacket Fan

October 6th, 2009
10:09 am

To all the dumb people who claimed LSU dominated the first half and Should have been ahead in the game by a larger amount of points. Points scored, determines who wins and loses the games, not have many yards rushing or passing a team gets. By the way Georgia outplayed LSU in the second half until the final 2 minutes of the game but that don’t matter either, it is the final score that counts.

gt

October 6th, 2009
10:59 am

THE SEC HAS THE BEST FOOTBALL, NOT THE BEST REFS. WHEN IF EVER WILL THE SEC REQUIRE OFFICIALS TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN POLITICAL BROWN NOSING GOOD OL BOYS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE CAPABLE OR BIASED?

TO MAKE A MARGINAL CALL TO CHANGE A GAME LIKE THAT IS NOT ACCEPATABLE. IF THE OFFICIALS INVOLVED IS ALLOWED TO WORK IN THE SEC ANY TIME SOON, THEN THE SEC IS GUILTY OF FRAUD. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD “OFFICIALS SHOULD LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE”, AS THEY SWALLOW THE WHISTLE AT THE END OF A GAME?

IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR. LSU MAY WELL HAVE WON ANYWAY. WE NEVER WILL KNOW.BUT IT SURE CHANGED THE WAY THE GAME WAS PLAYED.

Not a homer

October 6th, 2009
1:02 pm

I dont care about either team. I was watching the end of the game as an interested 3rd party because I saw a chance for yet another overrated SEC team to go down. I saw the catch Green made and the so called “excessive” celebration and there was nothing to it. The kid made an amazing catch with 1 minute left against a top 5 team. How are you not supposed to get excited about that? You would have to be a drone or play for the Atlanta Braves.

Now, you can say things evened out when they called the same nonsense on Scott, but it didnt. Had the 1st penalty not been called, GA is kicking from the 30 instead of the 15. Given that the kickoff went to the 15 you can assume it wouldve been in the end zone. That knat that LSU has running back kicks maybe gets to the 30. I dont see LSU’s sorry excuse for an offense moving the ball the necessary 45 yards to get in FG position. Scott never gets a chance to celebrate because he doesnt touch the ball as theyre throwing it all over the place hoping for a miracle. Game over.

Another SEC pretender falls by the wayside. I wouldnt be surprised if CBS had something to do with it to jack up the hype machine for LSU-FLA. Just my 2 cents…

GTfan

October 6th, 2009
1:48 pm

coachsmith: I disagree. The call is the same, whether it happens on the first play of the game or the last play of the game. The effect of the call, and how the team the call went against may be different depending upon when the call occurs. But the actual “badness” of the call, which I use to refer to how gross of an error the call represents, does not change just because it happens at the end of the game.

Tony

October 6th, 2009
5:44 pm

Absolutely! Get rid of that subjective rule, and fire the official who called it in this case.

GT For You and Me

October 6th, 2009
7:46 pm

Lindsey Scott is gone and Munson doesn’t call the games anymore… Move on to Tenn. You should win,but who knows…………

bamafanatl

October 7th, 2009
9:23 am

Reality Check, read the post. I said it LOOKS LIKE the refs are trying to change the outcome of the game. Not that they are trying to. I am not agreeing with Tony. I think the rule stays, but I don’t have a problem asking the officials to start getting it right. They get paid.

DawgVoiceofReason

October 9th, 2009
12:38 am

From Wikipedia, the rule that all have been discussing, sometimes with “excessive ignorance”:

NCAA Football Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(1)(d) prohibits “Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)”; in addition, Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(2) asserts that “After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot.”[2] Additionally, if a player’s actions is considered “unsportsmanlike conduct” the result is dead-ball foul; a “flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct” foul requires player ejection. If a player’s nonfootball-related act (e.g. taunting or cursing) causes an opponent to physically retaliate, it is considered fighting and both players are ejected.[3]

The call against Greene was not the worst ever, but clearly it was a terrible call that had a direct (if incalcuable) impact on the outcome of the game. The call against Scott was also an embarrasment.

It is also apparent that other clear violations of the rule, in both letter or spirit, by players in other situations are not called. There is something seriously wrong with either the referee’s instruction or their interpretation of the rule. As it is, it is a disaster. It is painfully ironic that Vince Dooley is one of the instigators of the rule. The rule was definitely needed at the time it was implemented, so I do give Coach Dooley credit but it needs revamping NOW!!!

DawgVoiceofReason

October 9th, 2009
12:53 am

G8TR “It’s incredible the way you people “remember” how the Gator players chomp after every play/score.” Perhaps it is you who misinterpret what people are saying. Yes he does not litterally do the “gator chomp” after every score, but he frequently individually celebrates his touchdowns or big plays, clearly worse than either Greene or Scott — look at some of the videos on youtube and see for yourself.

In response to your questioning why UGA fans remember the times we got ripped off or lost out on opportunities due to unfortunate circumstances. Of course we do; it’s human nature. We also remember the good times, but you wouldn’t notice that would you? Why? Because you are focusing on the negative too!! Duh!!!

RGP

October 9th, 2009
8:24 am

I agree with you on excessive celebration. All three of them should have been no calls. Poor judgement by officials. None of the players were drawing attention to themselves. They were excited which shouldnt be a penalty. UGA’s lack of running game, predictable play calling, and too many 3rd down and long yardage has hurt worse. Lack of offense in first half killed them.

[...] reviled calls in a three-week span on one of the sport’s most visible stages, prompting hyperbolic editorials and threatening their conference’s integrity by the sheer weight of public [...]

[...] reviled calls in a three-week span on one of the sport’s most visible stages, prompting hyperbolic editorials and threatening their conference’s integrity by the sheer weight of public [...]

[...] against Washington earlier this month — would have been subject to a public outcry, editorials demanding accountability, threats against the officials themselves and ultimately been forced to suspend the crew in the [...]

[...] reviled calls in a three-week span on one of the sport’s most visible stages, prompting hyperbolic editorials and threatening their conference’s integrity by the sheer weight of public [...]

[...] a rough month for SEC officials. We know because the SEC has told us so: When Georgia fans were up in arms over a phantom taunting call against A.J. Green following a late touchdown in the Bulldogs’ [...]

[...] a rough month for SEC officials. We know because the SEC has told us so: When Georgia fans were up in arms over a phantom taunting call against A.J. Green following a late touchdown in the Bulldogs’ [...]

Get over it

January 1st, 2010
5:40 pm

watching bowl games today, and seeing this call multiple times today in various games. Why not just let the coaches deal with the unsportsmanlike issues of players if they think it is so. Why penalize a good play even if a player is a jerk? Celebration of any kind of an individual is just that, a release of emotion; and any release of emotion of a good job done is unsportsmanlike like? Give me a break. That is stupid. There should be NO kind of unsportsmanlike like calls regardless. It should be up to the coaches to deal with it. so what if a guy goes into the end zone with no one in 30 yards and decides “heck, I might as well just stop and walk in; why should I run if they aren’t here to catch me?” Is that being a poor sport or just smart and relieved to be there alone. If they guy does a great job alone, then so what? Give it all up and give it back to the coaches to deal with. I’m tired of penalties on emotions. It’s on the verge of …. communistic. It’s like government trying to control what we do in our private lives. It just don’t feel right.