It’s time to eliminate the “excessive celebration” rule

 

I understand that I run the risk of being called a “homer” for bringing this up. This blog is based in Atlanta, Ga. The issue I am about to raise is one that negatively impacted the University of Georgia. I attended the University of Georgia. My daughter has two degrees from the University of Georgia.

 

I get all that. But you have to realize that I’m talking about the big picture here and not the winner and loser of one football game. I am raising an issue that I believe strikes at the credibility of a game that we all love.

 

I have been covering college football as a professional journalist for 32 years and, without being too dramatic here, there is a good chance that the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.

 

First of all, the penalty did not have to be called. I was in New York working for CBS on Saturday and because I had access to the technology, I was able to watch the play about a dozen times. Based on what I saw, there is simply nothing there that even sniffs at the word “excessive.” I’ve read the rule. I know what it says. A.J. Green couldn’t raise his arms in the air towards the crowd because too many teammates were hugging him. He looked in the direction of the crowd. He had just made one of the biggest plays of his young career. I think we can understand that a sophomore in college might just be a little excited at that particular moment.

 

After the fact the officials released a statement saying that Green had made a gesture to the crowd that brought attention to himself. If that happened then a press box full of trained observers and a crowd of over 90,000 all missed it. I asked Georgia coach Mark Richt on Sunday if he was aware of anything Green did, perhaps off-camera, that would have warranted the penalty. He said no but he also said that he had not asked Green directly about it. But if nobody saw it but the official on the play, how in the world can it be excessive?

And, for the purposes of this discussion, I’m not going to get into the other two excessive celebration calls other than to say this. The one on LSU’s Charles Scott, which came after he briefly raised his arms to the sky (exactly two seconds because I counted) after the winning touchdown, probably had to be called given the bad call on A.J. Green. And I’ll give the officials the benefit of the doubt on the Orson Charles call, although I thought Charles was trying to get the crowd fired up and not bringing attention to himself.

 

Here is the problem. It is clear that the officials are given very little, if no, discretion on this call. If a player does any gesture other than celebrating directly with his teammates, the officials feel compelled to call it. And if they don’t, they risk reprimand or even suspension.

 

I just feel the rule, which was created with the best of intentions, has morphed into something that is now hurting the game. It is called so inconsistently. Earlier this year a Florida player was flagged after a quarterback sack for simply rolling his hands like a traveling call in basketball. A little while later a Tennessee player sacked the quarterback and did several chest bumps. Nothing was called. In my opinion neither should have been called. The official on the play just tells the young man to cool it and get back to his teammates. No harm, no foul.

 

One of two things has to happen for the good of the game: My suggestion is to eliminate the rule entirely because it has become clear to me that it can’t be enforced on a consistent basis. Excessive celebration is too much in the eye of the beholder. Replace it with a taunting rule. Taunting is more clearly defined than excessive celebration.

 

Until then every supervisor of officials in the country needs to tell his guys: Let’s back off. We need to adjust the sensitivity meter on this thing. Let’s save this penalty for the most egregious violations. That isn’t hard. We know what they are.

 

 When Georgia stormed the field en masse in Jacksonville in 2007, now THAT’s excessive celebration. When a player running to the end zone takes off from the five-yard line and dives in with no defenders around, that’s excessive. When a player throat slashes with his thumb, that’s excessive.

 

When, after a great game like Georgia-LSU, Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson have to admit that the biggest play of the game was a penalty that (in my opinion) didn’t have to be called, then the rules, which are supposed to work to the good of the game, have instead worked to the detriment of the game.

 

Somebody made the argument to me yesterday and we have to put up with a bad excessive celebration call from time to time because the greater good of the game is well served by the rule. I don’t accept that. I think there is a way to keep sportsmanship in the game without totally eliminating the passion of the players, which is something that we all enjoy and, quite frankly, makes the college game much better than the pro game.

You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.

It’s time to put some common sense back into the excessive celebration rule.  It if we can’t do that, then it needs to be eliminated.

 

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Jimmy62

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

Tech fan here. That was a horrible call. The Dawgs deserved the chance to win that game on defense, but the refs decided to give LSU a field goal. LSU turned it in to a touchdown, but either way, the refs won it for them.

But no, not the worst call in three decades. Just another in a long line of bad calls by refs doing their best to keep up with silly rules that hurt the game. Why is pointing at your fans after you make a big play a bad thing? Hell, if he wants to keep a sharpie in the goalpost pads and sign the ball, I’m cool with that.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

I agree with you TONY….and ANYONE who wants to argue that that call didn’t DETERMINE the oucome of the game IS AN IDIOT with a Techie or LSU agenda.

Go across the country: Vern Lundquist, Gary Danielson, Tom Brando, Spencer Tillman, Jason Horowitz, Reece Davis, Mark May, Lou Holtz, and just about everyone else said that the “penalty” cost UGA the game

College gameday final on ESPN spent 5 minutes talking about how it “directly cost UGA the game”

Right now there are wrap up videos on CBS.com from Danilesoon & Lundquist and Brando and Tillman where the whole conversation is how UGA had the game taken from them by the REFs

Look I hate to look like excuse makers BUT come on you have to call a Spade a Spade

That “penalty” NEVER actually happened AND it DIRECTLY COST UGA THE GAME

azdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:06 am

TB is right. The excess cele rule is much too subjective and can affect the outcome of a game as it did w/GA this npast w/e. On the other hand, the call had nothing to do w/allowing LSU to return the ensuing KO 50 yds nor allowing the LSU RB bounce off 4-5 would be tacklers for the winning TD.

Poor tackling, poor and nonsensical special treams play, mediocre play calling mostly in the first 1/2, giving up too much yardage gets the D tired, all chronic issues (and its only a taste of the problems UGA has)that have gone uncorrected for the past several seasons w/basically no changes to coaching personnel. GA deserves its fate because the powers will not take action to force change. GA’s current coordinators and assistants would not get hired by Div 1A schools based on their performance to date. The reason the Pete Carrol’s lose their coordinators to other schools is because they are talented and have great potential. W/few exceptions, No one is beating down the doors at UGA for their coord’s. This current staff has sunken into mediocrity and refused to change schemes because they do not fear being replaced. Like one blogger said, Saban would replace his secretary if she didn’t perform.

UGA is going to lose much more than games and fans if there are no changes to its staff. It’ll lose money because thats the only thing it understands. As long as the revenus stream continues to come in they won’t do a thing. I don’t know what made the powers at AL, FL, TN,AU, MSU, et al finally decide to make the changes they did to make their schools winning programs but I bet it had something to do w/the fan base getting fed up and yes, a downward spiral of revenue from TV and alumni. Its all about the $$$$.

Nicky

October 5th, 2009
10:07 am

QUIT CRYING…..GET READY FOR UT…OR THE DOGS WILL GET SPANKED AGAIN………………………………………………………………………………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom

October 5th, 2009
10:09 am

Enter your comments here The SEC office defends the call but, there were several ACTS after tackles, etc thet were not called..It is time the SEC quits defending the bad calls and let these guys call Pee Wee games on Sat. until they learn. Case in point when the Umpire hit an LSU player with a forearm (in the So Car game last year) nothing was done. If I did this while calling a High School game in FL I would have been put in jail for hitting a minor.It is also time for the officials to be named when they are called for failure to properly do their job.The replay officials are no better as I think they only overturned one call last in over 100 challenges. Several were show to be missed and they let them stand. so not to make the error on the call look bad to the crew.

TiredOfWillie(&Bobo)

October 5th, 2009
10:09 am

Thanks Booboo for wasting enormous talent for the entire first half against LSU. The guy a week or so ago that said you were going to be desirable and lured away from UGA because you are an offensive genius…..well, you did a magnificent job of proving him wrong. Way to go. Just stay friends with Richt, pray hard and you’ll have a cush job like a weatherman. Just be right 25-45 % of the time. We’ll suck and you’ll be safe.

Denver Dog

October 5th, 2009
10:10 am

Execute, Execute, Execute. Block, tackle, cover, run. That is what wins or loses game. Was it unfair, yes, Was the call on LSU unfair. yes. The difference, they covered, they exceuted the 2 point play, and they stopped ours. Swap those around, and we win. So don’t blame the refs, There may be a conspiracy to get CMR because of that celebration, but there is no conspiricay keeps the players from excecuting assignments, and for coaches making bad calls and strategies.

ATLDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:10 am

I think it is funny how the majority of bloggers that are not Dawg fans are saying it was a bad call except for the giddy Jacket fans. The difference in the Excessive Celebration calls were the fact that LSU was left with plenty of time to drive the field and only needed field goal to win and was actually excessive celebration by Scott. GA got the ball with 40 seconds, no timeouts, & needed to score 7 pts to tie. I haven’t heard anybody including Jacket fans feel it was actually Excessive Celebration by Green. So I don’t think the two penalties are a wash as claimed above.

NC Dawg

October 5th, 2009
10:12 am

Great article, Tony! This must be addressed and changed next year!! Let the players show a little excitement. If something isn’t done soon, the fans will start being flagged for excessive celebration.

Randy

October 5th, 2009
10:18 am

Serves UGA right. Vince Dooley was chairman of the NCAA rules committee in the 80’s that advocated and passed the celebration rule to begin with. Karma’s funny sometimes.

gatorhead1013

October 5th, 2009
10:18 am

Email this to the league office.

gatorherb

October 5th, 2009
10:19 am

Enter your comments here Common Sense , it works if you have any.

Logical Call

October 5th, 2009
10:20 am

I agree the call should be repealed but as long as the rule is intact the celebration against UGA is justified. Anytime you have a coach that has a history of celebration abuse (see UF game) then anytime one of his players begins to show too much emotion the refs feel pressured to throw the flag to ensure the whole squad does not take the field. The total unsportsmanlike call from that UF game should haunt UGA for years and make them regret the total lack of respect to the game that instance created. Richt as a Christian is simply a joke and a mockery! No truly understanding Christian would have attempted to show up others…Period!

Bryan

October 5th, 2009
10:21 am

The call was correct. Quit making excuses crybabies. LSU LSU LSU LSU!!

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:21 am

coach smith – Nice. Isn’t that the same media that is consistently bashed for:

1. Being in love with Tebow
2. screwing the Dawgs out of a title in 07
3. constantly propping up USCw
4. Stopping the chance of any UGA success anytime they possibly can because we’re the most elite program in the country if not for the media

How is it that now ESPN and “the media” are no longer the enemy? Self-serving interest maybe?

McDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:22 am

the worst call i think i ever saw was the phantom Jasper Sanks fumble against Tech at the goal line-this was the 2nd worse

#7 on LSU was taunting and running his mouth after every single play-why is that acceptable behavior and what Green did (or rather didn’t do) was not-there needs to be some accountability-the call on Scott was pathetic as well

Techfan53

October 5th, 2009
10:23 am

First and foremost, the excessive celebration penalty DID NOT affect the outcome of the game. Georgia not being able to stop LSU’s Charles Scott ALL day and Georgia not able to get in to the endzone had more to do with the loss. While I can certainly understand a 20 year old being excited about making a big play, do we want to see the game we love dumb down to the current NFL level of tauting and juking and ball slaming we see? A running back should just give the ball back to the referee. Make it look like you have been there before. The best I ever saw at this was Hershel Walker.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:23 am

On another subject

Since every media outlet in the country is saying that an end of the game “penalty” cost UGA the game

AND

the game came down to the last few seconds….

Why in the world did UGA fall from #14 (in the coach’s poll) to Unranked?

What in the world? For a bogus loss at the end of a game against the #4 team?

Yet Oklahoma who is 2-2 and lost against their 2 real oppnents are still #19??????????

this is why the polls are a joke. If UGA had held on and won 13-12 they would be ranked between 7-10 yet with a last second loss they fall to unranked….what a joke

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:24 am

Mutt Nonsense

you are making my point for me about HOW BAD the call was

Holtz, May and other NEVER side with UGA….NEVER

The fact that they are shows how HORRIBLE the call actually is

Howie

October 5th, 2009
10:25 am

You can’t say it cost them the game. That is bs. You can say it beenfited LSU. But guess what. LSU had the same call thrown on them. They did better with special teams. Blame your kickoff for not lining up right. All lsu needed was a field goal. They didn’t need the TD. SO to assume that one call cost you the game is excuse making at it’s worst. Try getting more than 1 first down in one half next time. Funny how Tony doesn’t mention stuff like that.

GWH Rich

October 5th, 2009
10:26 am

Yes, perhaps it was a bad call, but UGA had plays where if their kicking unit and defense had stopped LSU, no one would be even talking about the call today. The way Scott ran the ball on the TD that nailed the game, and the way UGA was attempting to tackle him, it didn’t matter that LSU got extra yardage on the kickoff.

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bware

October 5th, 2009
10:26 am

Enter your comments here
UGA lost the game because of poor coaching not officiating. I am a long time UGA fan and sick and tired of bad play calling and simple coaching mistakes. No one has mentioned the reason why Richt chose the wrong end zone to defend in the second half. I sit in section 319 (dead center of the closed endzone goal posts) and the wind was blowing dead in our face the whole game. Makes absolutly no sense that we would not choose to have the wind at our back in the 4th qtr. Simple decisions like this Richt and his coaching staff dont get. You have the penalty and kicking off from the 15 yard line might have been able to kick it deeper with the wind at your back instead we choose to go against the wind and have no chance of kicking it deep into the wind. Simple desicions like this make no sense and the coaching staff should be questioned not the officiating!!!

Ron

October 5th, 2009
10:27 am

Whining ga fans. Gotta love it. What a bunch of loser excuse making crybabies. Tony is your voice.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:27 am

coach smith – Weren’t these the same polls used to explain away the first loss? (”It’s ok, it’s to a top-5 team in the country”)

We all know they’re a joke, but be consistent.

dogfan

October 5th, 2009
10:28 am

Maybe I’m paranoid but I think UGA is still being penalized for the excessive celebration call against Florida. It just seems that some of the calls against the Dawgs – not just the one against Green or Charles Saturday night – are chintzy at best. For example, the call for excessive roughness for a damn good hit against Oklahoma State, late hit calls on quarterback sacks, bogus facemask calls, etc. Georgia was even called for a facemask against LSU when the replay clearly showed that the LSU player had the Georgia guys facemask too. Granted there will always be missed or controversial calls – and again I may be paranoid – but last year and so far this year there seems to be a disproportionate number going against UGA

Gator Mike

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Tony you called 100% right (as usual); you can’t be called a Homer for the Dogs anymore than me . It was an awful kneejerk call by the refs, it clearly impacted the game and refs obviously had a make up call on LSU, but damage already done. The only thing worse than than the job the refs did was the job Martinez did and has done all year. Dogs D is as good as anyone in the SEC but he can’t coach or develop his players. I’m not as worried about the Cajun Kittens after watching them this weekend. Tony you are the best , keep it up.

SEC Commissioner

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Any team that scores in the last 2 minutes of the game will be required to kick-off from the 15 yard line.

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

OK, HERE YA GO…..I JUST PUT IN MY 2 CENTS
EMAIL FOR HEAD OF SEC REF”S MR ROGERS REDDING in BIRMINGHAM.

rredding@sec.org

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:29 am

Tony,
You are a homer. But you are our homer and we love you man.

Anyone who has ever played competitive sports at any level understands there is a different emotion that comes from the players when an opposing player makes a great play and when the official makes a bad call and puts you in a bad situation. With 69 seconds left, it is really hard for 18-19 year old to regain their composure and perform to the top of their ability. Yes they could have performed better, but they should not have been in that situation to begin with. And it was nothing they did outside the rules that put them there. It was the interpretation of the rules by Marc Curles and his crew…again.

Personally, I wish Holliday had returned the ko 83 yards for a td. That would have been easier to live with. Just like the Tigers have been living with Lindsey Scott’s 98 yard return in 1978.

One more thing. Look at #70 Ciron Black and the “TACKLE” he made on Bryan Evans on Scott’s last td run. There is an official on the sidelines running with the play looking straight at Black and did not make the call. Mark Curles was trailing the play and had a perfect view of the tackle and did not make the call. If Curles makes the call, the td is brought back, a 10 yard penalty puts the ball on the 43 and there are 46 seconds left. But no call was made and Curles delivered an undefeated #4 team to CBS for the big game this week.

Yes, I know LSU got some bad calls or spots early in the game. but that just points out how terrible Mark Curles is. By the way LSU, if you think Curles is bad, just wait until Saturday night and see what Penn “Nobody touches Timmy” Wagers does to you.

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:30 am

No. It makes the point that all of the sudden you believe the media and they’re a credible source that supports you. Please, if they weren’t fanning the flames you want flamed, you’d be on here killing them for trying to get UGA by not bringing it up.

Be consistent, either their idiots and are wrong all the time, or maybe they know what they’re talking about, even if it doesn’t help your argument all the time.

Ed Knight

October 5th, 2009
10:32 am

I completely agree – and, I’m an Alabama fan. The call on Green was simply bogus and likely cost your Bulldogs the game. I think taunting should carry a heavy penalty – perhaps even ejection – but the 5 second hug fest of Green and his teammates should have been allowed by the officials.

While your coach may not lead the country in wins, even we Alabama fans can see that he leads in class.

Truly sorry ’bout the outcome of the LSU game – but, it’s nothing a win over the Gators can’t fix, is it ??

Alphare

October 5th, 2009
10:33 am

Now some dog fans started blaming ref for their game momentum. Wow.

bamafan

October 5th, 2009
10:33 am

TB – you are correct about the rule being stupid and its enforcement even stupidier. Celebration is never called on the defense for strutting around after a good defensive play. Unsportsmanlike conduct is never called on receivers who demand a pass interference flag from the refs…..both should be called every time. UGA coaches should have warned the players about celebration after the first one was called. I disagree with you as to the conclusion. The game was lost because of a lack of discipline. The five yard penalty on the kick-off was just as stupid, hurt UGA as much (because LSU was within FG range because of it), and was not a mistake by the officials. Where were the UGA coaches when it came time to put four players on the kicker’s right side?

To change the subject: did anyone notice that Kentucky introduced its basketball team and new coach at the beginning of the football game with Alabama? Some things never change……Bear Bryant might still be coaching there if the KY folks gave their football team more love….what a horrible signal to send KY football players and fans!!!

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:35 am

One more thing.
It is really interesting that the GATOR FANS are saying that the call was terrible. Thank you for your support and have fun in Baton Rouge.

coach smith

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

Techfan53

Give me a break! Your Tech colors are showing!

How did the call not affect the outcome of the game?

All LSU needed was field goal. By kick from the 15 yard line they only had to go a few yards to get that field goal

Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38

They were basically in field goal range already. The TD didn’t matter because if they hadn’t got it, LSU would’ve been able to run out the clock and kick the field goal

Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards. They also would have had to pass on about every play and be desperate and UGA could’ve been able to pin their ears back and continue the sack parade

To say that the penalty didn’t decide the game does nothing more than show your Tech or LSU allegance

AC

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

I just saw the video on the herd espn u. Sorry but the issue is this. After the score there was a bunch of helmet smacking jumping around. And usually this is fine. What was excessive was HOW LONG it lasted. Most players know after about 5 seconds of that, it’s time to run to the sideline. Ga players kept standing in the end zone jumping around smacking each other. That’s why it was considered obsessive. Teach your players DISCIPLINE. That’s ga’s biggest problem. There were goons jumping around the benches during the az state game last week. Nuff said.

Otto

October 5th, 2009
10:36 am

Denver Dog- We are going to get good calls, and we are going to get bad calls. THe only calls we need to correct are the ones made by the coaches. Those are the only ones we can do anything about!

Yes we are and we should however. UGA has received more bad calls after the Dance in Jax.

Last year in reply to T. Moore this was posted:

have done a little more. In the first 7 games in 2007(before the Fla game) UGA was penalized 43 times and their opponents 45 times. after the “silly celebration” as you call it, in the next 11 games, UGA was penalized 102 time and their opponents 64 times. This is a preposterous disparity in officiating. Looking a little closer, Penn Wagers and his crew were responsible for 17 penalties against UGA, Steve Shaw and his crew were responsible for 16. Marc Curles and his crew called the Ole Miss game last year and called 3 penalties on UGA. In the Bama game this year they called 10 on UGA and 2 on Bama. Only one was not a judgement call. The other one was when the ball fell off the tee.

My point is that UGA embarrassed the officials at Fla and have paid the price. However, UGA did win 10 out of 11 of those games. I am not saying that the officials cost UGA the Bama game,but they did have a monumental influence on the first quarter.

Mark Richt is too classy to go after the officials, but I’m not. These are the hard facts and you can look them up. Try writing about how UGA is cleaning up their act and the officials may buy into it. And maybe you will also [/end quote]

Now given the chest beating Miami does and other celebrations it is not ahrd to see that Butlers comments as copied from Michael Scharff “Since the Florida celebration two years ago, the SEC refs have placed a yellow target square on Georgia’s back. Our coaches must recognize this and teach our players to kep any celebrating of big plays strictly to the side-lines.”

It is not hard to see the refs are calling UGA close. Adams and Evans need to have a talk with Slive, otherwise it will cost CMR his job.

dogfan

October 5th, 2009
10:37 am

I wanted to make one other point about excessive celebrations calls and the disparity on how they’re being enforced. First, let’s take Tebow. A great player and a fine young fellow no doubt. But how many times have you seen him draw attention to himself – and how many times has he been flagged. The answer – a LOT and NONE. And why is excessive celebration not called against the defense. Again, how many times has a player sacked the quarterback, intercepted or broken up a pass, and “celebrated” by thumping their chest, waving at the crowd, dancing, etc.. AND IT’S CALLED!!!!!

Shakyuga

October 5th, 2009
10:38 am

The “fumble” against Jasper Sanks was the worst call in the history of sports. The LSU excessive celebration penalty was second.

JB

October 5th, 2009
10:40 am

If this wasn’t true with our team if would be laughable. Richt called Coach Johnson at Tech this morning and “ask” him for tips on getting a team ready to play at noon on local TV. I assume VANDY, Kentucky and Tenn. Tech will all be nooner’s……..

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:40 am

Bamafan,
You should be really glad UK gave Rupp a Cadillac and Bryant a watch for their work one year. That is almost as big a mistake as selling Babe Ruth for “No, No Nanette”.

Otto

October 5th, 2009
10:41 am

I do agree the call was not all or even the bigget reason UGA lost. What?

Offense. 3 drives over 3:01 and of those 1 was 7 minutes the other 2 were less than 4.

Why are UGA’s possesions so short? The running game is 10th in the SEC. UGA has highly recruited RBs and a returning OL so there is little excuse to blame it on players. The coaches pick and coach these kids. As a result the on field performance in some way goes back to the coach.

I will add in reference to our play calling another statement I agree with: Senoia Dawg: Struggling to make a first down in the first half we throw exactly zero passes that are high percentage throws that would have given us a first down if the ball would have been caught and the receiver tackled immediately. This is just plain dumb… instead we throw screens and go patterns on third down

Mutt Nonsense

October 5th, 2009
10:44 am

coach smith,

“Holliday caught the ball on the LSU 31 yard line, returned it 27 yards (not bad for kickoff coverage) to the UGA 42 and then they added a 5 yard penalty to put it at the 38″

Not true. Watch the replay. Someone else posted what really happened. He caught it on the 15, took it to the 48, and the penalty took it to the 43.

“Without the penalty LSU (even with the same 27 yard return) LSU would have had to go 43 yards to get a field goal attempt under 50 yards.”

Not even close, w/o the penalty, they’re at the LSU 43. Field goal range would have been the UGA 34 yard line, which is 23 yards away.

Your revisionist history shows where your allegiances lie.

murfdawg

October 5th, 2009
10:45 am

Otto,
Thank you for paying attention last year. I did the research and made the post to TM, Chip Towers and Tony. I’m glad sombody remembers. Do you think Slive would be interested?

Covington Dawg Fan

October 5th, 2009
10:45 am

I agree with Celebrate and others with this point of view: it was a typical hard fought SEC football game. At the end of the game, both coaches are going to look at film and think “hey we could have done this or that better”. What is terrible is when a ref gets confused as to what his role is in the game. My thought is that if he wants so badly to be a part of a game in which he can impact its outcome, why not give up the ref gig and join a bowling league or something.

I love UGA and have for many years. I was a little boy when #34 burst on the scene in ‘80 and we’ve seen many good times and some bad ones through the years. I just get tired of all the player and coach bashing that goes on my supposed Dawg fans out there. I expect other teams fans to do that, but not ones who say they are Dawg fans. Do we have some issues? yes, but let the ones hired make the choices. Can you be constructive? yes, but we all know that many cross the line. Some run their mouth like self proclaimed experts on how to run a defense or how to call plays…if this is the case why aren’t you doing it? If you were that “football” smart, then why are you doing what you do for a living and not actually coaching.
It takes no guts to criticize a those who are on the field of play.

I’ll finish with this. get behing this team. The season is still not ‘lost’. The season goes by far too fast to spend it crying about willie martinez or whatever you don’t like about the Dawgs. Go find a perfect team and cheer for them if that is what you are looking for. As for me, I’m gearing up for another college football saturday and cheering on my dawgs against UT.

Lakedawg

October 5th, 2009
10:47 am

Tony,

I absolutely agree – this rule needs to go, as well as any other
rule is not consistently and evenly enforced. In some ways, we’ve
contributed to our own situation with the end zone team rush vs Florida
a couple of years ago, and I fully believe that at least some of the
officials walk into our games “looking” for excessive celebration. But
at what point does it end ? They keep looking for it and “seeing” it
and calling it, so it self-propogates. I’m not sure how to make that
stop other than by operating by a set of rules that NOBODY else follows,
which isn’t right either. Coach Richt is a great coach with a great
record, but I do have the following suggestions for coach Richt:

1. Coach our players to SPRINT to OUR sideline after a scoring play
or a play that changes possession, and celebrate OFF the playing
field. NO MORE excessive celebration on the field. And have
the extra-point team ready to go while that’s going on, if we
scored a TD.

2. Improve our kickoff coverage. Do an analysis of major football
schools who play opposition similar in speed to our opposition
and determine which teams statistically do the best job of
covering kickoffs – the top three perhaps, to get several
approaches. Then send our coach who oversees kickoff coverage
to those coaches and watch film of those teams and determine
HOW they’re doing it. It’s just dumb to continue poor kickoff
coverage and it’s been going on for years……now it has cost
us a big win and possibly a chance at an SEC championship, when
we clearly have the talent to compete for one. That “circling
around” that we do prior to kicking off looks pretty silly when
we allow a big return and then get a procedure penalty on top
of it. If we have players who won’t stay in their lanes, bench
them and get someone who is coachable out there instead.

3. Prohibit our players from dancing on the sidelines when we’re
behind. It makes us look undisciplined and unfocused. Get
with whoever controls the stadium sound system to make such
things happen at APPROPRIATE times during the game….for
example, when the victory is secure.

I love Georgia and I want us to win. Problems need to be FIXED.
We are very close to championship level….the details will make it
or break it.

Joseph R. Evans, RPh
UGA Class of 1978

dogcrap

October 5th, 2009
10:47 am

wahhhh, waaahhhhh, wwaaaaahhhhhh!!!! I love it with the stupid inbred mutt nation suffers!! Cry me a freakin river idiots

slim jim

October 5th, 2009
10:48 am

i could care less about UGA or LSU, but those calls were a crock.

LSU gained essentially 20 yrds on their next drive because of penalities, The excessive celebration on AJ was bogus. I thought maybe AJ said something to an LSU player, but who cares. It takes the emotion out of football and it spotted LSU 15 yards.

BTW I thought the 15 yrd pentality was tacked on the the PAT, not the kick off. Where do these rules come from?

Kendawg

October 5th, 2009
10:48 am

Apparently your bloggers know very little about the rules of football. On the last kickoff by UGA, UGA kicked off from its own fifteen yard line. If UGA kicked it out of bounds, the ball would have been placed at the UGA 45 yard line. That’s because the rule says place the ball 30 yards from where it is kicked if the kick goes out of bounds. That’s why it is placed at the oppont’s 40 yard line if it’s kicked out of bounds and the kick originated at the 30 yard line. Let’s face it- UGA didn’t lose simply because of the celebration penalty. We lost because of our inept offense in the first half. A J was open down the middle and Cox badly overthrew him. It’s time to play our younger QB’s and start Ealey. The Tennessee game would not be too soon. And if Richt doesn’t fire some coaches at season’s end, it’ll be time to get rid of him.

bobby

October 5th, 2009
10:50 am

I agree with you totally. The problem with common sense it is so uncommon for too many people to have it in the first place so you have to put in rules that are simple and easy to understand and take away the personal opinions that all too often biased.