It’s time to eliminate the “excessive celebration” rule

 

I understand that I run the risk of being called a “homer” for bringing this up. This blog is based in Atlanta, Ga. The issue I am about to raise is one that negatively impacted the University of Georgia. I attended the University of Georgia. My daughter has two degrees from the University of Georgia.

 

I get all that. But you have to realize that I’m talking about the big picture here and not the winner and loser of one football game. I am raising an issue that I believe strikes at the credibility of a game that we all love.

 

I have been covering college football as a professional journalist for 32 years and, without being too dramatic here, there is a good chance that the excessive celebration call on Georgia’s A.J. Green last Saturday against LSU is the single worst officiating mistake I have seen in my three decades of covering the sport.

 

First of all, the penalty did not have to be called. I was in New York working for CBS on Saturday and because I had access to the technology, I was able to watch the play about a dozen times. Based on what I saw, there is simply nothing there that even sniffs at the word “excessive.” I’ve read the rule. I know what it says. A.J. Green couldn’t raise his arms in the air towards the crowd because too many teammates were hugging him. He looked in the direction of the crowd. He had just made one of the biggest plays of his young career. I think we can understand that a sophomore in college might just be a little excited at that particular moment.

 

After the fact the officials released a statement saying that Green had made a gesture to the crowd that brought attention to himself. If that happened then a press box full of trained observers and a crowd of over 90,000 all missed it. I asked Georgia coach Mark Richt on Sunday if he was aware of anything Green did, perhaps off-camera, that would have warranted the penalty. He said no but he also said that he had not asked Green directly about it. But if nobody saw it but the official on the play, how in the world can it be excessive?

And, for the purposes of this discussion, I’m not going to get into the other two excessive celebration calls other than to say this. The one on LSU’s Charles Scott, which came after he briefly raised his arms to the sky (exactly two seconds because I counted) after the winning touchdown, probably had to be called given the bad call on A.J. Green. And I’ll give the officials the benefit of the doubt on the Orson Charles call, although I thought Charles was trying to get the crowd fired up and not bringing attention to himself.

 

Here is the problem. It is clear that the officials are given very little, if no, discretion on this call. If a player does any gesture other than celebrating directly with his teammates, the officials feel compelled to call it. And if they don’t, they risk reprimand or even suspension.

 

I just feel the rule, which was created with the best of intentions, has morphed into something that is now hurting the game. It is called so inconsistently. Earlier this year a Florida player was flagged after a quarterback sack for simply rolling his hands like a traveling call in basketball. A little while later a Tennessee player sacked the quarterback and did several chest bumps. Nothing was called. In my opinion neither should have been called. The official on the play just tells the young man to cool it and get back to his teammates. No harm, no foul.

 

One of two things has to happen for the good of the game: My suggestion is to eliminate the rule entirely because it has become clear to me that it can’t be enforced on a consistent basis. Excessive celebration is too much in the eye of the beholder. Replace it with a taunting rule. Taunting is more clearly defined than excessive celebration.

 

Until then every supervisor of officials in the country needs to tell his guys: Let’s back off. We need to adjust the sensitivity meter on this thing. Let’s save this penalty for the most egregious violations. That isn’t hard. We know what they are.

 

 When Georgia stormed the field en masse in Jacksonville in 2007, now THAT’s excessive celebration. When a player running to the end zone takes off from the five-yard line and dives in with no defenders around, that’s excessive. When a player throat slashes with his thumb, that’s excessive.

 

When, after a great game like Georgia-LSU, Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson have to admit that the biggest play of the game was a penalty that (in my opinion) didn’t have to be called, then the rules, which are supposed to work to the good of the game, have instead worked to the detriment of the game.

 

Somebody made the argument to me yesterday and we have to put up with a bad excessive celebration call from time to time because the greater good of the game is well served by the rule. I don’t accept that. I think there is a way to keep sportsmanship in the game without totally eliminating the passion of the players, which is something that we all enjoy and, quite frankly, makes the college game much better than the pro game.

You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.

It’s time to put some common sense back into the excessive celebration rule.  It if we can’t do that, then it needs to be eliminated.

 

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elcubismo

October 5th, 2009
9:27 am

ummm, the bogus pass interference call against miami that helped osu win the national title was much, much worse. admittedly, both were bad. but that one call literally cost miami the title, because that was 4th down and they had just won.

GT Alum

October 5th, 2009
9:28 am

I agree with the others who’ve mentioned it- Mark Richt and UGA are still paying the price for the “panty raid” in the end zone against Florida a few years back.

pjgreiss

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

jumbeauxtiger…do you think LSU would be running an off-tackle dive play with 52 seconds left in the game, if LSU was on their own 35 instead of the Georgia 35? I don’t think so. The penalty changed the complexion of the LSU offensive mindset based on the field position afforded by Georgia having to kick from their 15 yard line. I will agree that LSU had every right to win that game, but the Dawgs got screwed by the refs and that had a direct impact on how the game ended.

BromoDawg

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

Tony…Great post. Correct me if I am wrong, but ironically, wasn’t it Vince Dooley who had the rule implemented in the first place several years ago because of all the wide receivers at Florida celebrating when Spurrier was coaching at UF? I believe he wanted players “to act like they had been there before.” Kinda like Herschel used to do when he’d simply hand the ball to the ref after going 80 yards. Still, refs need to consider the context of the situation. Throw flags for taunting not for celebrating a miracle touchdown. You score a TD with less than 2 minutes left to go ahead of the #4 team in the country at home. Who wouldn’t be excited?

dawgster

October 5th, 2009
9:29 am

anyone that doesn’t think that call at that particular time of the game did not play a huge impact then you don’t know football, with that being said, the dawgs did not overcome that play and allowed lsu to make plays, maybe if the field position would have been different and lsu had to start on its side of the field, who knows, the dawgs did have the same opportunity, but lsu made the plays, after the dawgs scored the go ahead touchdown, i thought the biggest play that wasn’t made was our 2 point conversion attempt, i felt like there were some opportunities for another play there, but we seemed to have rushed into the play after all of the excitement…make that conversion and puts a little more pressure on the offense and the defense knows that only a touchdown will beat you, but lsu made the plays, the dawgs didn’t, now the biggest game possibly in the season for the dawgs is at Tenn, lose this game and your season may go in the tank…

loving every minute of it

October 5th, 2009
9:30 am

Mark Richt has no reason to say anything about an excessive celebration call. Not when he “ordered” one once upon a time. It has finally come full circle and bit the dawg on the butt. I’ for one, couldn’t be happier. haha

Rocky Top Ron

October 5th, 2009
9:30 am

You’re right Tony….we do think you are a homer….Schlabaugh too….

Denver Dog

October 5th, 2009
9:32 am

It is done now, so we can’t do anything about it. I hope it is over for a while. These ref’s have been doing this as instructed by the league. UGA lost the game becuase they couldn’t cover the kickoff, and didn’t stop Scott. Then because the couldn’t snap the ball, and find an open reciever. If these ref’s had calle the Miami Ok game they would still be playing becuase every play someone did that chest thump from Miami.

Really now lets look at UGA specail teamsl 1) missed field goal = 3 points. 2) missed extra point by UGA =2 points. 3) Made extra point by LSU =2 points. That looks like 7 points to me. Ok now add in the long return by LSU and the short return by UGA in the last minutes. DId the bad call make the difference? Who knows. Did the poor special teams play make a big difference? FOR SURE! We are going to get good calls, and we are going to get bad calls. THe only calls we need to correct are the ones made by the coaches. Those are the only ones we can do anything about!

GO DAWGS, REFS MAY HAVE HURT US,BUT THE REFS DIDN”T BEAT US

Gatorduq

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

Well you can thank Vince Dooley for this rule…. is that a delicious irony?

And if this was the worst officiating call you’ve ever seen, then you missed the Swindle in Swamp courtesy of Jack Childress and his crew.

AMEN

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

I am a UGA fan, but I have to say, I HATED the Florida State and Miami “swagger” of the 80s and 90s, and now, this is what we have at UGA. I absolutely HATE dumb football, and that’s what Richt and staff have brought and promote from Florida State – absolutely dumb football. Offside plays, personal fouls, unsportsmanlike calls, can’t line up correctly. That’s why they have the backup QB returning punts. They can’t get these idiots to even understand “don’t field the ball inside the 10 yard line.” Probably a poor call from the ref, but frankly, I’m glad he made it, and I’ll live with the consequences if they’d just do it to EVERY team and get rid of the nonsense once and for all. Give the dang ball to the ref, get off the field, and THEN celebrate with your team!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah, and do the same thing when you make a decent run or catch for a first down, or tackle a guy for a loss. That’s what you were SUPPOSED to do, anyway.

Mikey

October 5th, 2009
9:35 am

Simply, Thank you Tony.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
9:36 am

Definitely a bad call no doubt about that. However, that didn’t cost us the game. What cost us the game was that weak offnse we had that first half. 49 yards total the first half? No blame on Willie, this week the defense played lights out. No help the O or ST.

Special teams failed us. Two plays come to mind. First the LSU punt from the endzone. Since Gray was going to fair catch that anyway why not bull rush those protectors for the punter and push them back into him for a possible safety or better yet a TD. Second was that last kickoff? Why do we have to kick to the fastest man on the field? I guess I don’t know the rule but where would it have been place if it were kicked OB? At the 40? If so might have been a better alternative.

Regardless, I liked the game, it was exciting SEC football, win or lose for the dawgs. They fought like the devil till the end and should hang there heads high and keep fighting through the season. Ealey looked good too. Reminds me a little of last years #24. Oh well still a lot to fight for. If we can’t win it maybe we canb at least screw it up somebody else. Go Dawgs.

Paul Bryant

October 5th, 2009
9:37 am

Throwing that penalty on Georgia at the end of the game saved CBS from having a #1 vs. #12 next week. What’s good for CBS is good for the SEC.

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
9:38 am

Denver Dog,

Excellent post. Enjoyed reading your perspective/comments. I think it’s been missed that both teams kicked off from their 15 and while Holliday took it from the 15 to the 48 (plus the formation penalty), UGA’s returner only went from the 25 to the 32.

elcubismo,

Completely agree. I think Tony’s “worst call in 30 years” line is a bit much. The non existent pass interference call against Miami in that Nat’l Title game was the worst call I’ve ever seen. Without that blunder, Miami goes for 2 straight Nat’l titles (with the side note of getting robbed of a title game appearance in 2000), and maybe the rest of the decade is different. Just saying.

T

October 5th, 2009
9:39 am

You are a Homer Tony … but I understand, you cant help it, Georgia is your alma mater, but you have whined about this for two days (you must really hate LSU) … the problem wasnt the penalty.. the problem was that Georgia then gave up a 40 yard kickoff return… then gave up a 30 something yard touchdown run… Georgia had an entire game of plays to win that game.. they lost… and will lose again this season.

gdawginkalamazoo

October 5th, 2009
9:39 am

Oh yeah, and congrats to the Tigers. Charles Scott made one heck of a run to ice the game.

BobDawg

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

Keep in mind that if UGA wins out, they’re in the SEC Championship Game. Be constructive and write to the SEC Football Coordinator of Officiating:
Mr. Rogers Redding
SEC Coordinator of Football Officiating
Southeastern Conference
2201 Richard Arrington Blvd. North
Birmingham, AL 35203

Writing comments in a blog does nothing to change the status quo. Writing the people in charge is meaningful.

Freehawk

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

That call was bad, but not as bad as the Jake Locker call that cost UW a game a season or two ago. Then the inevitable makeup call (an SEC tradition). UGA needs to quit crying, the SEC refs take TDs away from South Carolina, not just tack on some yardage to the kickoff. There is a place for this rule, but it puts the refs in a bad position now the way it is enforced. It is weird that Coach Richt’s teams are so undisciplined, they are today’s U of Miami. Oh yeah, where did he go to school? When did UGA quit being a running program? They have no RBs. I hope Marcus Lattimore never figures that out.

One Tin Soldier Rides Away

October 5th, 2009
9:42 am

Glad to see you are back Billy Jack. Denver Dog is correct above. You can have bad calls, but you can’t blame a loss on the refs. I think there is a real issue with Cox’s arm. The speed routes all day he was late on. The long pass to King, King had to come back to get, and the passes behind the recievers are from velocity, not direction. There may be nobody better right now.

If we imporve on special teams, running game, and short passes, we will win the next two. If not we will play with one foot, because we won’t have the other one for shooting ourselves there so many times.

Horrible call on the fumble by LSU in 1st qtr also

October 5th, 2009
9:43 am

Yep. That was a horrible call also on the LSU fumble at the 15 in the first qtr. Funny how no one seems to remember this or the comments from the sportscasters that it was a terrible no call and the guys in the replay booth didn’t do their job.

LSU supposedly fumbled on the 15 and the ball rolled out of bounds on the 17 costing LSU 2 crucial yards in the red zone. Replay conclusively showed that the qb’s elbow clearly touched down and a split second later his shoulder also touched down. Take your pick but the qb was down at the 15. A couple plays later LSU came up short on 4th and less than a yard. Had LSU not been cheated on those 2 yards a couple plays earlier it would have been a mute point and LSU would have had a first and goal from the 7. 95% odds from there that LSU would have scored a td or minimally a chip shot field goal. Funny how quickly dog fans forget this play.

Just cause it happened in the 1st qtr doesn’t make it any less important than the celebration penalty. Also, the celebration was a judgement call. On the fumble there was no judgement. Replay showed conclusively that LSU was cheated out of 2 crucial red zone yards.

Starring Harry Morgan as Sherman Potter

October 5th, 2009
9:44 am

It is a bad rule and needs to go.

But Georgia lost because of their play in the first half, not on one play.

Alabama Jack

October 5th, 2009
9:46 am

“Tony Is An Excessive Homer

October 5th, 2009
9:16 am

Fine, change the rule. But, until it is changed, abide by the rule. And to clarify, Georgia did not lose the game because of that one call. Georgia was dominated by LSU for most of the game, and Georgia lost because they could not make a play when they had to and LSU could. Following the penalty against Green, Georgia could not make a tackle to keep the LSU kick returner from crossing midfield. In addition, Georgia compounded the poor tackling on the kick return with a penalty. Georgia could not make a tackle to keep Scott from scoring. Georgia had the same situation after LSU scored and was called for excessive celebration. Georgia could not return the kick as well as LSU did. Georgia could not produce a score as LSU did, instead Cox threw an interception. So, until the rule is changed, abide by it and do not whine or make excuses.”

ditto

Starring Harry Morgan as Sherman Potter

October 5th, 2009
9:46 am

Maybe fumbles need to go away also.

Toe Meets Leather

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

TB, I love how you try to set the stage that you’re somehow not a homer by being upfront about your UGA bona fides, etc., and then turn into the biggest UGA homer there is. The worst call in 32 years of college football???

Was it as bad as giving Colorado a 5th down against Missouri in 1990…and then handing them the AP national title above an undefeated team? Was it as bad as the supposed clipping call in the 1991 Orange Bowl when Ismail ran back that punt against the same Colorado team…again, handing over the national title on that blown call? Gimmie a break TB…U[sic]GA is again being shown that it’s not as great as it’s fans (and fans in the state media) think they are or should be and you’re upset about it. That dissatisfaction spills over when you think you’ve got a legit gripe on one bad call – a bad call that, depsite what you Muttlanders think – did not change the eventual outcome of the game. YOU GOT BEAT. Stop whining about it, learn some disipline, learn to hang onto the ball, and learn how to tackle.

http://www.stinGTees.com

DawgGirl32

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

You hit the nail on the head, Tony. Absolutely horrible call. Changed the entire game. Do I think we lost because of that one call? No. Our offense was anemic in the first half. Thank goodness our defense stepped up. And maybe the same outcome would have happened had the penalty not been called. The reality is, though, that the call changed the MOMENTUM of the game. Players are supposed to change the momentum of a football game, not the refs. And now, we’ll really never know what would have happened had that penalty not been called.

David

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

You don’t see College Basketball players getting “T’d” up every time they dunk the ball and hop around and draw attention to themselves….it doesn’t ruin college basketball, it just brings enthusiasm and excitement. Its time to change to taunting…………One thing I will note (as a UGA fan), the call does not excuse our poor kick coverage! Time to get that fixed!

Tony Barnhart

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

A couple of things:

I agree with Mark Bradley that the call did not cost Georgia the game. Georgia could have covered the ensuing kick better, not gotten a penalty, and tackled Charles Scott. Georgia had several chances to still win the game after this call was made.

This call, in my opinion, is worse than other calls (like the pass interference in Miami-Ohio State) because it involves the excessive celebration rule, which is so subjective. It’s worse than calling a pass interference that wasn’t there or a holding call that didn’t happen. Those are football plays and people just miss those. This is different because you get into the areas of intent and attitude.

The game was negatively impacted not by a football play, but by the perceived attitude of a player. That makes it different and, to me, a worse call. Just one man’s opinion.

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:47 am

dawgster, you’re not going to have to worry about it. Scoor 10 points and you’ll when the game. We have no qb and have some of the sorriest receivers I’ve ever seen on the hill. We cannot generate enough offense to win many games this season.

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:48 am

“score”-typo on post above

UT96

October 5th, 2009
9:49 am

Once again, Thanks Fulmer for leaving the cupboard bare for the new regime.

Fleischman in Chattanooga

October 5th, 2009
9:50 am

Keep sticking up for your beloved dawwwwwgs Tony Jabroni..

The reason the mutts lost is because their DEFENSE SUCKS !

Whine and Cheese is an idiot

October 5th, 2009
9:51 am

Your comment shows you know nothing about football – you said “My God, do you think Charles Scott wouldn’t have scored that last touchdown if he had to run 15 more yards? Would he have just fell over and collapsed from exhaustion for having to run 45 more feet?” – If GA was not penalized and kicked off from the normal ko spot – and the same run etc happened -= LSU would have been on about the 35 or 40 yard line with only 1 minute left – to get in to field goal range they would have needed a minimum of 40 yards – maybe 50 – in this case LSU would have had to pass down the field instead of run (instead they only needed 10 yards to get into field goal range) – so they run – instead of pass – simple football you dufus!

Ray M.

October 5th, 2009
9:53 am

Tony I agree the rule needs to be changed to allow for spontaneous, unscripted celebration that does not taunt an opponent or the crowd. I agree that neither the call on Green nor the one on Scott should have been called.

Where we part company is the statement that it affected the outcome of the game. That is a crock. Both teams had the same 15 yard penalty called against them in the final 1:10.

After the penalty one team failed to line up properly was accessed a 5 yard penalty added to the end of a return, failed to kick the ball deep, failed to cover the kick well nor tackle well on the return and failed to tackle a RB on a 33 yard run that he may have scored from 80 on.

The other team after the exact same 15 yard penalty, kicked the ball deep, covered the kick well, tackled the return guy at 33 yard line, forced a long down and distance and pressured the QB and made an interception.

How each team RESPONDED to the bad call determined the outcome of the game. Not the bad call itself.

Gen Neyland

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Yes, TB. The timing of this article does paint you as a homer. You should have written it 300 other NCAA Excessive Celebration flags ago…

Stumpy's Bear

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Tony,
I’m one of your biggest fans and constantly overlook your Georgia favoritism because I love the insider information and respect for tradition and bigger picture legacy that you bring to your work. The call was bad, but you’re being a little dramatic aren’t you? “You don’t think the Georgia players aren’t going to be negatively impacted by this call for the rest of the season? You don’t think they will curb their enthusiasm because they fear the next flag might be on them? Of course they will. And that’s not right.” C’mon, Georgia is sitting exactly where it belongs, they’ve won the games they should have and lost the ones they should have. Georgia isn’t entitled to 10 wins every season, you have to accept that.

Aeschulys

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

Of course the call affected the outcome: noan it was not THE sole, deciding factor–but affected the outcome nonetheless. Football is a game of momentum like few others. UGA’s brief stand atop the scoreboard had tremendous momentum–albeit the call set them up in a firedrill situation in which the kickoff return team (already tenuous) was in a big hole. Then the defense is still in that “scramble” mindset when they take the field. And like many times in college football, one big play moves that important momentum to the other team. LSU capitalized. Both teams played a great defensive game.

And no this season isn’t “done” for GA.
I saw nothing that would indicate that. They have their problems (LSU doesn’t?), however the Dawgs have been tried in almost every sort of fire. I see no “quit” in them. At least they’ve won a couple of tough conference games thus far…

Georgia game

October 5th, 2009
9:54 am

LSU dominated the game and deserved to win. Also, if Georgia really deserved to win then why didn’t they just tackle Holliday and or Scott rather than let both of them make big plays. Finally, I just don’t get it. What does the whole thing matter if Scott took it the distance anyway. That db would have tackled him 5-8 yards deep into the end zone. If LSU hadn’t gotten the benefit of 15 gift yards they still would have had a first and goal from the 5-10 yard line. They would have just melted away the clock and kicked a chip shot field goal for the win anyway. What is all the whining about? The better team simply won.

Bad ko coverage

October 5th, 2009
9:55 am

Yes our Kickoff coverage is terrible and all but the last kick the goal was to kick it as far as you can – so there was no air put under the ball – causing the kicker to outkick his coverage – giving C.S. better running lanes and thus the longer run back – I think a squib kick to the 30 yard line would have been a better call than to out kick your coverage?

Milli vegasmu

October 5th, 2009
9:56 am

These refs that make these calls need to be fined, suspended, or even fired. You don’t make that call at the end of a huge SEC game period. That call was BULL $HIT, BULL $HIT, BULL $HIT.

JB

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

WE lost the game in the last 2-3 minutes…………….although not 100 % the reason, it sure as hell hurt….Who’s to say what happens with a minute or so to go with them starting at THEIR 25 rather than our 38 ? interception? Fumble? time runs out ? The call was a no call……..Tebow has done FAR WORSE and NEVER been flagged. I swear, I think the thing in 2007 in Florida is still causing us grief. That was a no call.

morgwreck243

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

I’m a Tech man and an LSU fan by marriage and I was at the game sitting in Section 302, which is directly above where AJ Green had his “excessive celebration.” There wasn’t one. I’m happy that LSU won, but I do agree that it was a bad call.

I think a good compromise on the rule is to institute a “hockey” application: within the last 2 minutes you just don’t call the excessive celebration unless it is something like what Terrell Owens does.

Exscuse makers-Insert whining and excuse here

October 5th, 2009
9:57 am

Bunch of sore losers. Tackle Holliday and or Scott and you win the game. Guess its more fun to make excuses about losing a game in which you were absolutely dominated in.

GW

October 5th, 2009
9:58 am

LSU’s #7 taunted the Georgia sideline everytime he successfully defended a pass on that side of the field. Either it was not seen by the officials or ignored. On TDs, why not quickly put the ball on the extra point line and whistle the play clock to start instead of standing around watching the celebration? If a team violates the play clock on the PAT make it a 15 yard penalty rather than a 5 yard delay of game. I think players and coaches would then train themselves to hurry off the field.

Mark

October 5th, 2009
9:58 am

I usually don’t post on these blogs, but had one observation after watching the CSS replay of the game. Buck Belue did not make a comment about the penalty being bad until LSU ran the kickoff back and got into field goal position. If UGA had stopped LSU at say the 35 yard line on the kickoff and LSU had lost the game, would there still be as big an uproar as there is today?

Tech Man in Dawg Country

October 5th, 2009
9:59 am

Tony, I agree with everything you said except that it was the worst officiating mistake in the three decades. I even posted immediately after the game how the officials messed up. But “the single worst officiating mistake…in my three decades of covering the sport” ??? Surely the famous Colorado 5 down play must be worse. The Colorado not only directly affected the game, but ultimately the national championship. As a Tech man, I realize that I might not be totally objective, but I don’t see this call on that magnitude. Even the officiating in this years Tech game against NC was probably worse, were they didn’t stop the clock after a first down towards the end of the half. These are not even judgement calls, they are just officiating errors. So while I agree that UGA got the shaft, I think you over exaggerated a little. Agree? And yes, it does make you sound a little like Adams comming out against the BCS so strongly a few years ago when UGA didn’t get invited to the title game when they didn’t even when their division, much less the conference.

gatorrashad

October 5th, 2009
10:01 am

All the teams and coaches and fans need to band together on this one cus this rule is a absolute joke….it hurts the spirit of the game

CharlotteGator

October 5th, 2009
10:03 am

Tony,

Gotta disagree.

“This call, in my opinion, is worse than other calls (like the pass interference in Miami-Ohio State) because it involves the excessive celebration rule, which is so subjective. It’s worse than calling a pass interference that wasn’t there or a holding call that didn’t happen. Those are football plays and people just miss those.”

I don’t think you can ‘miss’ pass interference that didn’t happen. Pass interference is just as subjective in many instances. If you watch the replays, you can tell there was no pass interference against Miami, but the ref perceived it and called it. On the Green replays, you can tell that he was trying to pull away from his teammates and ‘mean-mug’ for the crowd, and while I didn’t think it should be called, the ref perceived it and threw the flag. Similar to other plays (not all in this game) where non-UGA fans think Green pushes off to get catches, but refs don’t think it happened.

I don’t think the argument is that Green didn’t do anything at all, I think most people’s feeling is that it wasn’t egregious enough to warrant a call at that stage of the game. To me that’s just as subjective as many of the other ‘non-reviewable’ calls that refs make.

blazer

October 5th, 2009
10:04 am

Enter your comments here
WONDER IF THEY TACKLE SCOTT BEHIND THE LINE AND WON -WOULD THE PENALTY

HAVE MATTERED SO MUCH-DIDN’T CALL GREENE FOR PUSHING OFF EVER?

JaxDawg

October 5th, 2009
10:05 am

Saturdays game in Athens, GA on Saturday was an old fashioned, tough game against SEC rivals. But the outcome was not made by the players on the field. A.J. Green was flagged for excessive celebration for drawing attention to himself on a touchdown catch to put Georgia up with a minute to go. Well, one other person drew attention to himself after that play too his name in Michael Watson. Michael Watson was the back judge on the SEC officiating crew during the game. Congratulations Michael Watson. By drawing attention to yourself, a great football was marred by an officials judgment instead of the play on the field.

Celebrate

October 5th, 2009
10:05 am

For all of you who blindly bash UGA and call them whiners,etc… The call was BAD, it changed the game, would LSU had won without the penalty? We will never know, because some over zealous SEC official decided that he saw something excessive; hell those idiots that issued the statement can’t even say what he did. Was it raising his arms as he left the field? Was it looking at the crowd in the back of the end zone? What was the act that drew attention to himself? This is a problem with a lot of officials if they think it happened they call it. Let’s go back to the Clemson vs GATech game this year; Clemson completes along pass late in the game that is called back for holding. The announcer immediately said I think they missed that that lineman simply got shoved to the ground with a good block, umpire assumed that it had to be holding; reverse angle replay showed good block no holding. Clemson did not score, game changed, sure thay had another chance but lost out on a good chance to win by a “bogus” holding call that he obviously “thought” he saw. Bottom line to all officials “If you don’t see it don’t call it, and if you do see it you had better be able to expalin it better than “He made a gesture to draw attention to himself”