Why Boise State can’t play for the BCS championship

Everyone loves a Cinderella story, especially in sports. We love to see the underdog prevail. It brings us to tears when the little guy beats the big guy.

But having said all that you have to understand that, barring a total collapse of the major conferences, there is no way—at least no logical way–that No. 5 Boise State can play for the national championship.

The Broncos, who gave college football one of its most enduring memories when it beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl a couple of years ago, are ranked No. 5 in both this week’s USA Today Coaches poll and the first Harris Interactive poll. Those are the two human polls that—along with the average of several computer polls—make up the BCS Standings, which will be released for the first time on Oct. 18. On Dec. 6 the finally standings will be released and the top two teams in those standings will play for the BCS national championship on Jan. 8 in Pasadena, Calif.

There has been some discussion about what would happen if the Broncos went 13-0 (they play an extra game because they go to Hawaii this season) and the winners of the Big Boy conferences all have one loss. After what happened to Utah last season (the Utes went undefeated and didn’t get a sniff at the national title), would the voters in the human polls decide that it was time to give a little guy at shot and see what he could do in the big game?

 

They can’t. Not if they are doing their homework.

Here are the 12 Division I-A teams on the Boise State schedule for 2009. The Broncos have a 13th game against UC-Davis, a Division I-AA team. The teams are listed in order of ranking from a poll on CBSSports.com which ranks all the Division I-A teams 1-120.

 

Oregon—21

Tulsa—67

Fresno State—69

La. Tech–76

Hawaii—79

Bowling Green—80

Idaho—83

Nevada—89

New Mexico State—103

San Jose State—107

Utah State—114

Miami (Ohio)—118

 

The Broncos have a quality win against Oregon, which looks even better since the Ducks beat California so decisively.

But after that, here are the cold, hard facts. Eleven of the 12 Division I-A teams on the Boise State schedule are rated 67 or worse.

Of those 11 teams, four are rated 103 or worse. To put it another way, there are 18 college football teams that rank 103 or worse. Boise State plays four of them.

If Boise State goes 13-0 this season I have no problem with the Broncos getting to one of the BCS Bowls. But I will say this.  Based on the schedules, Houston and TCU look like they would prevail over Boise State as the lone BCS Buster from the Coalition conferences.

 

Houston (3-0), ranked 15 and 13 in the human polls,  already has wins over Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Cougars of Kevin Sumlin could pick up another quality non-conference win next week at Mississippi State.

 

TCU (3-0), ranked 10 and 11 in the human polls, has gone on the road and won at Virginia and Clemson from the ACC. The Horned Frogs play in the Mountain West Conference, which is the best of the Coalition.

 

The bottom line is this: If there is only one spot in the BCS championship game available and it’s between a 13-0 Boise and a one-loss champ of the SEC, Big 12, Pac-10, or maybe even Big Ten, it has to go to the latter. Those conferences are simply playing a different level of football.

 

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352 comments Add your comment

George

September 29th, 2009
6:20 am

TommyP

September 29th, 2009
6:25 am

KC in Athens

September 29th, 2009
6:28 am

Boise deserves a shot in a playoff system just like everyone else. It’s a shame they won’t get an opportunity because this game isn’t about what you do, it’s about how good you look doing it.
Honestly, I should become an NFL fan because no one worries about how bad someone got blown out. Or whether or not a win was a stupid “quality win” I swear to God if I hear that phrase again I’ll probably lose it. It’s win or lose and that’s it in the NFL.
Now, everyone pretty much assumes Florida will go all the way. And they might. But we all know that most likely there are several teams in the country just as good if not better than Florida. We all know those teams will be trumped by Florida in the polls if they post a similar record.
The college football system makes me sick, and even moreso when the sportswriters who vote in the polls gleefully play along with a system they know rarely produces a legitimate champion, which is supposed to be the best team in the nation.

KC in Athens

September 29th, 2009
6:30 am

And after all that, a 13-0 Boise team probably isn’t a national championship caliber team. It just sucks the world will never know.

Tom M

September 29th, 2009
6:37 am

You are so right sir. I said it many times before and will say it many times later- Boise is a nice story, but in the long term of things they couldn’t hang with the big boys ALL season if they tried. It’s one thing to beat a team with over a month of planning (Utah over Bama, Boise over Oklahoma, Boise over Oregon)- but I highly doubt if they had to play week in and week out any of the 5 real conferences [Big East is a joke] they’d do well, but not get through without 2-3 losses each year. Hell throw Vandy into their schedule and they may only drop 1 game, if that. TCU or Houston play a much harder schedule…

Dale

September 29th, 2009
6:39 am

Without a playoff the media and coaches must guess the best teams. But to say Boise State isn’t the best because they play a weak schedule is a logical error. What you can say is that we don’t know that Boise State is the best, because they only had one hard test. So your conclusion, they are not playing the same level of football doesn’t come from the arguments you posit. Utah last year should have been in the the NC game, they may have been the best team in the nation. Boise State may be able to beat Florida or Texas this year.

Dale

September 29th, 2009
6:46 am

If Boise State played SEC teams week in and week out, then they would be in the SEC or at least a BCS conference and would have a share of the disproportionate wealth that big conferences so stringently protects, and would be able to recruit more 5 star recruits. So given the incredible success and quality Boise State is able to produce on a tiny budget and 3 star athletes, I strongly suspect if they were playing the big boys every week, they would be as dominate with the bigger budget and better athletes that would follow.

AQ

September 29th, 2009
6:46 am

Boise State is a slave to their conference. They cannot get into the Pac-10 or Mountain West, so all they can do is win the games they do have. It is just a shame that the system is designed to prevent them from winning a national championship. The current system is antiquated. The gap between the biggest and best teams and the mid majors is closing. Utah absolutely dominated Alabama last year and Alabama was #1 for a good portion of the season. A 8-team playoff a the end of the year would do a great deal for college football.

Top Dawg

September 29th, 2009
6:48 am

You are correct, TB.

matt

September 29th, 2009
6:51 am

I understand your point but what about Cinn. or south fla. if one of these teams go undeafeated would they get over looked by a 1 loss team. It has never happened where a 1 loss team gets in the BCS title game over a undeafeated BCS conference team.

Sautee Dawg

September 29th, 2009
6:55 am

Tony,
I agree with you 100%. Let them schedule some tougher games, wasn’t that the case a few years ago whenever an undefeated Auburn team got pushed aside for a team that had a tougher schedule. As far as strength of schedule where does Boise St. rank in that category? Around 60, out of 119 teams? no way should they even be mentioned into the equatuion. Boise St. getting into the BCS game would be about as unfair as was LSU getting in with 2 losses a few years ago.

Karl Childers

September 29th, 2009
6:58 am

Enter your comments here

Tony, you may be right about what will happen but it’s not what should happen. Utah was the best bowl team I saw last season and after beating the tar out of Alabama they should have been given serious consideration for AP champion. An undefeated team from a BCS conference should play for the title otherwise they should go back to the old bowl system.

hop

September 29th, 2009
7:00 am

boise state needs to schedule tougher teams and that includes playing in the big boys conference.

justMyOpinion

September 29th, 2009
7:02 am

Quite frankly, who cares who plays for the so called NC! It’s nothing more than a beauty contest among college football teams. Nothing more!

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September 29th, 2009
7:11 am

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Fernando

September 29th, 2009
7:11 am

You are very wrong.

BCS Joke

September 29th, 2009
7:19 am

I might as well proclaim myself the national champion. College football rankings are a joke. There is No national champion. Fans need to stop recognizing the polls. Utah has every right to put up a banner in their stadium that says they are the 2008 National Champs. I voted in a poll the other day that Cris Arreola would beat Vitali Klitschko in a boxing match. They fought the fight and Vitali won. Under BCS-Bowl game logic, the fight was meaningless and the polls decide the championship. So Cris could still become champ even though he lost in the illogical world of college football.

MaDoubleT

September 29th, 2009
7:23 am

Ken

September 29th, 2009
7:25 am

“They can’t. Not if they are doing their homework.”

You make me laugh. Did you look at the first Harris poll, which supposedly does not reflect the pre-season assumptions of the Coaches (and the meaningless AP) and supposedly represents a fresh view of the teams after week 4? The top 7 teams are identical, the Harris 8 is 9 in the other polls and vice versa and the exact same 25 teams are in the Harris and Coaches polls. AP has Tech instead of Missouri at 25, otherwise they have the same other 24 teams as Harris.

You think Harris Poll voters “did their homework” to arrive at this? They came up with LSU as the 4th-best team and Auburn unranked by ignoring pre-season expectations and studying the body of work so far?

I don’t think Boise will make the title game, and it’ll be because the human pollsters decide in lock-step that they don’t deserve to be there. But to say this will be a result of some deep analysis by the 170 or so people who decide such things is an absolute joke. ESPN opinion will shape the AP and Coaches/SIDs poll and the Harris will crib off of that.

UGASlobberknocker

September 29th, 2009
7:26 am

On one hand, I hope you are right since they would not deserve it. There are probably 20 or 25 teams at least that could go undefeated with that schedule. On the other hand, the BCS system is so screwed up, maybe having Boise slip into the NCG would be the disaster needed to force change…since interest and ratings would be microscopic..can you imagine if it was Texas vs. Boise St…the spread would be 30 pts. .no one wants that..

And no knowledgeaqble college football fan can make a case for Boise; undefeated doesnt mean anything if you havent played anyone.

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
7:37 am

Everyone: here is this weeks schedule of activities relating to the injury of Tim “Godlike” Tebow.

*ESPN cancels all college football games this week. Kirk Herbowstreet unable to function due to distress. He will be staying at the Tebow family home.
* ESPN will replace college football games this week with highlights of Tim Tebow’s High Scool games.
* Larry King Live:
Tuesday- Tim Tebows High School Coach
Wednesday- Tim Tebows high school girlfriend and her family
Thursday- Tim Tebow doctor
Friday- Urban Meyer- live from the bedside of Tim Tebow
*Thursday- President Obama hold a press conference from the rose garden with Tebow Family
Flags will be flown at half mast until UF plays their next game
College Gameday will be held from the Tebow Home a week from Sat when they resume broadcasting games.
Kurt Herbowstreet to join Christine Amourpour for a special CNN Presnets: Tim Tebow- the greatest ever.

rhynster

September 29th, 2009
7:40 am

Would Houston or TCU have better credentials? Yes.

Would they have a better argument than Boise State? Yes.

Are they better than Boise State? No.

Would they create more interest than Boise State? No.

Boise State has a crappy schedule, but I think they could compete in any BCS conference if given the chance.

War Eagle

September 29th, 2009
7:41 am

LMAO…can we add Tim Tebow National Holiday. LMAO

TrueCrimson

September 29th, 2009
7:42 am

Of course you are right Tony. Of course you will be attacked by fans of programs which don’t have a shot at the title. Allowing Boise State to play in the BCS Championship would be tantamount to allowing a welterweight into a heavyweight boxing match.

That said, I wouldn’t have a problem with Alabama playing Boise State in Pasadena. The whiners will whine no matter what happens and Bama would still own the NC trophy. But, first things first — the Tide has to run the gauntlet of the SEC before they can talk about National Championship dreams. Boise State doesn’t have to do that.

Mike

September 29th, 2009
7:48 am

Yes, you’re wrong. Miss St- a quality win? Please. Boise deserve a shot if they are ranked in the top two, which they probably will be at season’s end. They are already #2 in Sagarin’s computer ratings. It’s going to happen and you know it which is why you’re already panicing in September! Look for a Boise State vs Texas matchup in the national title game.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2009
7:52 am

I would love it if Boise got in the BsCS national championship game. Then the playoff cry will get even louder.

m

September 29th, 2009
7:57 am

Yes you are wrong.

Their schedule looks like some of the sec schedules…so what is the big deal?

Is your memory so short? Do you remember Utah stomping a mudhole in alabammer in the mecca of the sec…the Sugar Bowl???

We need to get your sorry opinion out of football….and everyone else’s sorry opinion out of it too.

Boise St. should be included just like anyone elxe.

We need to get rid of this sorry low down BSbcs…it is an abomination.

We need a 16 team playoff…based on conference champions and at large teams chosen by computers only….NO HUMAN OPINIONS allowed…expecially complete tools like Tony Barnyard.

The current system sucks so bad..Tony why can’t you just be honest and admit it????????????????

Gen Neyland

September 29th, 2009
8:15 am

Bearcats and Broncos in the BCSNCG..! Hey, they both took down Fresno ST and if Cincinnati gets by the USF team that waxed FSU, ladies and gentlemen, who needs Florida-Oklahoma or Alabama-Texas NCG’s..?

SimpleDawg

September 29th, 2009
8:19 am

I was going to comment on your opinion about Boise State’s qualifications for a place in the National Championship game, but….after reading some of the inane comments posted by some of these nitwits, any intelligent discourse would be a serious waste of time and space.

But on the other hand…..what the hell, NO ! BSU’s schedule is just that – Bull$#!+ Underscored.

Paul Dietzel

September 29th, 2009
8:20 am

“You can learn more character on the two-yard line than anywhere else in life.”

Secondguesser

September 29th, 2009
8:20 am

Hey Brucedawg, do you have the time listings for those programs? I need to set my tevo for the dawg trainer Tebow! Sorry Tony, Boise St.’s presence and record, coupled with what teams like Utah, over the past few years have made a mockery out of this system. Nothing short of at least an eight team playoff will settle this tired old arguement. Haven’t you heard of the phrase, ” that’s why they play the games” .

Ed-Covington

September 29th, 2009
8:24 am

TB; I totally agree.

BTW, all of you “playoff” fans: a “playoff” allowed a multi-loss, wild-card NY Giants team to beat a 17-0 Pats team (who had already beaten the Gmen in the regular season) in the Super Bowl and lay claim to the championship of the NFL. Anyone really think the Giants were the best team in the NFL that year? Just got hot at the right time. Playoffs are often no better at determining the “BEST” team than polls.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 29th, 2009
8:25 am

Tony, I agree with you there is no way in hell that a Boise could ever in the history of college football hang with say an Oklahoma?

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
8:31 am

Hey Secondguesser- last time I checked- Tebow is 1-1 against UGA.

and another thing

September 29th, 2009
8:32 am

the real travisty is an ncaa system that does not allow a team like boise to move up to better competition. they proved that they will never not dominate the wac. the pac ten should be forced to expand or drop a hanger-on team like washington state.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 29th, 2009
8:33 am

And the big boys probably won’t schedule Boise either, dammit. Who was the genius that brought football to Idaho anyway?

Tony, the more I write Idaho I am now missing those has browns from Waffle House. Thanks.

Ken

September 29th, 2009
8:34 am

To “Mike” – Saying Boise is “already #2 in Sagarin ratings” shows you have no idea what you are talking about. The are CURRENTLY #2 in Sagarin because their schedule TO THIS POINT looks good relative to other teams. They will drop like a stone in computer rankings once the big conferences get deeper into conference play and Boise starts piling up the wins over Cal-Davis and the like. The computers will recognize this; the question is whether the humans will.

Mac

September 29th, 2009
8:36 am

Agreed, Tony.

Boise knows that they are going to face this criticism every year, so they should be proactive in loading their schedule up with some competition. Maybe start another season off in Athens? UGA’s 3rd string QB could use the work, and that would take care of this debate from the start.

Fla Tide

September 29th, 2009
8:37 am

Bill

September 29th, 2009
8:38 am

One of the problems with Boise’s schedule is that many of the “BCS” teams don’t want to play them. We’ve seen in the past that Boise will travel down here to play if given a chance. Thank God they’re not playing GA this year cause this Petterson coached team is a hell of a lot better than the one that came a few years ago. I think they have every right to play in the big game if they’re undefeated and everyone else has a loss.

@ Ed-Covington

September 29th, 2009
8:39 am

At least it was settled on the field. Not by pollsters, not by computers. It doesn’t matter who is hot and who is not — it’s win or go home, and if a team can’t get up for that they deserve the latter.

Tom, Resident Georgia Fan

September 29th, 2009
8:41 am

Boise just needs to go away until it schedules tougher teams.

David

September 29th, 2009
8:41 am

Your right, but a FLA, UGA, Va Tech, Alabama, or Miami needs to travel to Idaho and beat them by 30 point on their home field. Then this nonsense with the WAC and MAC will end.

No BcS

September 29th, 2009
8:43 am

Why not give Boise St a chance to prove themselves? Everyone says they should play a tougher schedule….well, why isn’t YOUR team playing them hmmmmmm? Playoff, playoff, playoff, playoff. No BcS.

tchance

September 29th, 2009
8:44 am

Wrong whiners!!! Boise State made their bed with what has to be the softest schedule in the nation! They want national respect and not just from the few liberal sissies on here, they better start manning up and playing more than one decent team a year. I worry about those of you who look at their schedule and then complain they are getting the short end of the stick. The weaker conferences would improve their recruiting, dollars, exposure, respect, etc if they stepped out and played stiffer competition win or lose, especially if they were to win a few. 12 of 13 games against teams in the bottom half of the country…..jeez, Duke would be a powerhouse for crying out loud

GetOverIt

September 29th, 2009
8:45 am

UGA’s obsession with Tebow and UF > GT’s obsession with UGA

ratherBgambling

September 29th, 2009
8:46 am

Yes sir Mr. Barnhardt

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
8:48 am

GetOverit…no UGA does not have an obsession with Tebow or UF- ESPN does- hence the coverage on Sat when he went down. Even UF people said it was a bit much. He is a football player like any other 18-20 year old. He is not God. Maybe this was a omen for those people that thought so.

Eric

September 29th, 2009
8:49 am

Who knew Tebow was human. Turns out he’s the Michael Jackson of college football. Sure, he has some talent, but he’s not invincable. Since his little injury, it seems that he’s more of a media circus than anything else. Football is a very physical and violent game. People get hurt. BFD! Boise State…not worth the discussion. The polls are a joke. Miss St actually scored on that first and goal play at the end of the game. The refs missed that call big time. And LSU moved UP in the polls. It’s disgusting.

dawgday

September 29th, 2009
8:50 am

My GT friends tell me they play on a blue field. That’s reason enough.

Will give them credit though. How do you recruit athletes to Boise Idaho?

Remember when they came to Athens a few years ago and all of the ESPN gurus were calling for an upset. When they ran out of the tunnel I thought it was a high school squad. It was over before I poured my first Beam & Coke.

TrueCrimson

September 29th, 2009
8:53 am

What we need is a 64 game playoff system followed by a best of seven between the two finalists. Then the winner of the best of seven should play against the Division I FCS Champion. After all, Appalachian State did beat Michigan in 2007.

Then we would have an undisputed National Championship for which only Yellow Jacket fans could complain. To appease them, we could include a slip-stick speed competition between the cheerleader squads as the final, determining factor.

Of course, this plan would require that the season be extended to a five year period. But I say that is a small price to pay for the luxury of knowing, with absolute certainty, that the National Championship has been awarded to the most deserving team.

Gen Neyland

September 29th, 2009
8:53 am

zoo : You’ve talked me into some scattered with cheese and onions.

ratherBgambling

September 29th, 2009
8:54 am

Bruce you forgot one;

College Football Live- Coach Richt gives his top 10 reasons why he wishes he was Tebow

PMC

September 29th, 2009
8:57 am

It’s not that they can’t play and or beat anyone in the country…. it’s that they don’t play a schedule that is difficult enough to deserve a shot at the end. Part of it is not thier fault, but those are the breaks. They need to be allowed to join a major conference.

Joey

September 29th, 2009
9:01 am

A lot of folks seem to think a playoff system is needed. Do you think in a 4, 8, or 16 team playoff, everyone will be happy about the picks? Of course not. It would be just as controversial as the BCS system. Just remember fellow Dawg fans, as good as they were, UGA wouldn’t have made a 4-team playoff in ‘07. Fans and sportswriter-fans would scream bloody murder when their teams are just outside the “bubble” of any playoff, same as it’s always been….

BigSqueezeO

September 29th, 2009
9:01 am

Let’s see if I have this straight, Mr. College Football!! You’ve used an arbritrary ranking system (CBSSports.com) to justify why one team should be left out of a game determined by two other arbitrary rankings!!

Thanks for pointing out the sheer fallacy that is the BCS!! I don’t think any team in the so-called BCS conferences will go undefeated, but Boise State probably will. Oh, well, I guess that Boise could be the first 14-0 team to NOT win a national championship.

PLAYOFF SYSTEM NOW!! PLAYOFF SYSTEM NOW!! PLAYOFF SYSTEM NOW!!

Dredog

September 29th, 2009
9:04 am

The problem with college football is that a team like Boise State has been so consistent over several years as a team that can win on any given Saturday – that teams from major BCS teams are afraid to add them to their non-conference schedule from fear. The would rather schedule a cream puff team that they can score 50-60 points against.

Dawg85

September 29th, 2009
9:07 am

I agree Tony. There just is no comparison to Boise State’s soft schedule and even the weakest schedule of a team from a major conference. A tougher schedule, besides the greater chance of loss, means more wear and tear on your football team and much more work and preparation for the coaching staff and team. Until Boise State toughens up the schedule they don’t deserve a shot.

I, for one, would like to see a 16 team playoff. If FCS schools can do it I don’t see why BCS schools can’t. Then a school like Boise State could get a shot but they’d have some real competition to overcome.

Joey

September 29th, 2009
9:07 am

Uh, Dredog, didn’t UGA add Boise State what 3 or 4 years ago and put 50+ on them, just like a creampuff?

JaxDawg

September 29th, 2009
9:08 am

Here’s the problem I have with both the media and the coaches(sports information guys as they are the ones who ACTUALLY do the voting for the coaches):
If Boise St is not deserving of a chance to play because of their schedule, then why are they ranked #5 in the country?!
On the one hand Tony you and every other media person say “Boise is a nice story but NO WAY they deserve a shot over a one-loss SEC, Pac10, Big12 etc..because of their schedule”
If this is the case and this is what the media and coaches TRULY believe then WHY ARE THEY RANKED 5TH?!!
It’s insanity. I just feel you can’t have it both ways. If they don’t deserve a shot then don’t put them anywhere near the top of the polls. If you can justify them not getting a shot then it should be no problem to justify them being ranked 12th or 15th or wherever. It’s like they have a glass ceiling. However, if you and everyone else thinks that right now, today they are the 5th best team in the country then by all means they deserve a shot if they go undefeated and the teams ahead of them have losses. If that’s not the case then rank them where you truly feel they should be ranked and leave it at that.
To build the players and coaches hopes up by ranking them that high only to yank the rug out from underneath them at the 11th hour is just wrong.
Boise St is a little different animal as they have proven they CAN beat the big boys in the big game, so why not give them a shot? I’ll tell you why and it’s the REAL reason a Utah, Boise St, TCU or Houston will never get a shot: $$$$$$. No way the BCS boys will let an outsider come in and go to the big dance and take that much money away from the major conferences.
Is it fair no, but it’s the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rule.
Again if at the end of the season these schools don’t deserve a shot because of their schedule, then don’t rank them up there in the first place and then there’s nothing to argue about.

robert

September 29th, 2009
9:09 am

Enter your comments here
Tony,
How did Boise State–which was waxed at season’s end last year by TCU, which finished 7th—- start the year ranked ahead of the Frogs?

quaildawg

September 29th, 2009
9:12 am

I hope Boise State gets the opportunity to play for the BCS Championship…gets humiliated and then we won’t have to worry about this issue again. (See Ohip State)
Cute story for the droolers at ESPN but not what true CF Fans want.

Fightin Gobbler

September 29th, 2009
9:14 am

Boise State’s BEST win would be beating Oregon at home. That should in no way qualify them to play for the national championship and the fact that the voters even have them as high as 5th (not to mention LSU 4th) shows just how dumb a system we have.

Ranking them solely on what they’ve done on the field, they aren’t even a top 10 team…

bamafan

September 29th, 2009
9:14 am

lots of vitriol today…..do the folks who believe that Tony is wrong realize that when they attack the polls as being biased, it is the same polls who have Boise State ranked 5th? The polls are not sufficiently objective, and of course the BCS is based on polls. Pick one. You cannot claim that Boise State is getting shafted while at the same time attack the polls for bias against the non BCS teams. The hidden message in Tony’s column is that the polls ARE BIASED in favor of at least one team that plays nobody. Give me a break. Please think about this issue without reference to your school……….

TrueCrimson

September 29th, 2009
9:15 am

I agree with JaxDawg. Boise State is not a top five team and the current rankings should reflect that. I suspect that they will move down in the polls as they move further away from their one quality win. Then again, it will be interesting to see how well they play their existing schedule with the target of being in the top five on their backs. This is a psychological burden that these small-fry teams usually don’t have to deal with during their regular season play.

quaildawg

September 29th, 2009
9:15 am

Oh and BTW-I distinctly remember Ed Cunningham (ESPN) predicitng that Hawaii would “Beat Georgia” in the SUgar Bowl.
I think Ed is now doing color for Iranian Camel Soccor.

Denver Dog

September 29th, 2009
9:15 am

Dre Dog; They came to Athens and got stomped stupid! Learn some history.

m: the only problem with a 16 game playoff is that the ACC would not get an entry unless the pollsters whom you decry voted on getting them in to a playoff.

Boise doesn’t deserve a chance to play in such a big game unless they want to step it up with the OCC schedule. They can’t help which conference they are in now, but someone does schedule those weak sisters of the poor OOC games.

They don’t deserve it and shouldn’t be there. However, a Boise vs TCU game does intrigue me for the sake of freeing up another weekend in January to do something else.

EW

September 29th, 2009
9:17 am

Tony, we will never end this discussion until Boise or the like has a shot. Basically what you are saying is that they will NEVER have a shot because there will always be AT WORST a one loss team from at least two of the big boy conferences every year. With that in mind Boise, TCU, or a Houston gets no title shot ever. As a football fan it sucks to think they have no shot at a title from the first snap of the season. What they need to do is give one of these teams a chance. A. if they do and they win, great recruiting tool to build the program even further and get a bunch of I told you so’s from the little conferences or B. they get blown out and we don’t have this debate any more. Either way you gotta give em a shot eventually.

DawginLex

September 29th, 2009
9:20 am

And “m” the moron says,

“It looks like an SEC schedule”

WOW

Are you on a work release program?

From a psych ward?

Keep defending the ACC and bashing the SEC. It just confirms what we already know. You are an idiot.

ACC OOC losses to date:

Bill AND Mary(at least it took both of them)
MTSU
Richmond
USF
TCU
Bama
SC
USM

Why continue to debate and defend a lousy conference?

RT

September 29th, 2009
9:21 am

The schedule comment is a joke. Auburn played the Citadel and that was the “excuse” for many to exclude the Tigers (since there had to be 1 team excluded from the 2004 “championship”). However, just a few years later, the 2008 and 1 loss Florida team, who also played Citadel, were annointed to play in the “championship” game.

It’s a crock and should Boise St. go undefeated, they deserve to play for the MNC.

Chad

September 29th, 2009
9:21 am

Robert, Boise State was not “waxed” last year by TCU. TCU won 17-16 after taking the lead in the fourth quarter.

Boise “waxed” Oregon, who “waxed” Cal, who everyone and their mothers had top 5 two weeks ago. They have taken the initiative to player higher-caliber out of conference schools, like Oregon. What more can they do?
The Broncos are good, people. Get used to it.

DawginLex

September 29th, 2009
9:22 am

dredog,

UGA is scared to schedule who?

2005: UGA 49 Boise State 14

OOPS, next argument

Denver Dog

September 29th, 2009
9:23 am

No offense to Ole Miss, but Boise is just a media darling, and they are loved by those in the media who don’t believe you are supposed to earn it the hard way. They are good, and they should make some bowl, and they should have fun doing it. They are though just media darlings. The difference between this media darling and one from a big conference is that one from a big conference has to prove it on the field. Boise has to prove it by running the score up on the small schools which are on the schedule. Do you think that they would stand a chance at stopping Ga Tech, or Ark. Do you think that they would that they would run all over the field against Tenn, or Bama. So why should they have a chance to play against Florida, or Texas, or USC. They probabaly would have a hard time against Ohio State. Right now all of these people are on a magic carpet ride (blue of course) smoking wacky backy!

jim bob

September 29th, 2009
9:24 am

TrueCrimson

September 29th, 2009
9:26 am

You want a common sense solution? Let the two best non-BCS teams play one another and then pair the winner of that game up with the BCS Champion for an NCAA Super Bowl.

Of course there will still be occasional situations in which an undefeated team gets left out in the cold. Dream up any scenario that you like — someone’s still going to feel cheated when it’s all said and done. So what? It’s only a game people.

It’s only a game.

Sam Houston

September 29th, 2009
9:29 am

I would like to know how many major schools are fighting to have Boise State, Utah etc., added
to their non conference schedule. The reason they don’t is because their conference {SEC] is too strong, not because they don’t want to stick their neck out. But, by splitting your conference in half, six teams on each side, you dont’t have to play all the strong teams. Somebody step up and schedule these schools and put them in their place. Everybody could use another sure win.

NC Dawg

September 29th, 2009
9:31 am

What Boise State (and every other Division I school deserves) is the opportunity to play in an 8 team playoff. If they can go undefeated and beat the big boys in the playoffs, then they deserve the title…just like any other school.

P-Man

September 29th, 2009
9:32 am

See, this is why we need a playoff. We will never know if Boise St is deserving because they won’t have the chance to prove it. Is it their fault the other teams in their conference are so weak? Is it their fault the other BCS conference teams want nothing to do with them? The simple solution is to have a 16 team playoff, where each of the 11 conference champions- yes, even the Sun Belt- gets a shot, which leaves 5 at-large teams. This will improve the play in the non-BCS conferences, and everyone has a semi-fair shot. To top it off, a conference championship would really mean something.

Bronco Fan

September 29th, 2009
9:34 am

Do you hear Coach Peterson or any of his players saying they should go to the title game? They’ll tell you there most important game is the next game they play. They’ll play whats on their schedule and do it well. Their final ranking is up to the pollsters. Rag on them not BSU. Go Broncos!!

azdawg

September 29th, 2009
9:35 am

BSU is the big fish in a little pond schedule wise minus a few excursions in the real world of college FB. GA whacked them in ‘05 on opening day. Give BSU credit for beating OK but it went down to the wire but so has UGA wins this season with only comparison being their opponents. Based on their win vs OK and the Utes, another BSU in wolf’s clothing, beating a good AL team, I say let BSU play for the NC if they go undefeated. We’ll never know how good they are unless they’re allowed to prove they can play w/the big boys. The Utes made a believer out of me beating AL the way they did. Win or lose the big one will make all these pundits look like idiots or Einstein’s.

Trade School Junkie

September 29th, 2009
9:37 am

See, to Tony, it’s not about the money. It’s about…SEC MONEY.

Cant have some “upstart/nobody from nowhere” like Boise State, Houston, or others taking money from Tony’s precious SEC. That would be downright un-American. Right Tony?

Just imagine…if we applied this BCS “methodology” that Mr. Brain-fart so dearly loves & endorses…to, lets say, the NCAA Basketball Tourney.
Imagne how completely stupid and ARBITRARY that would be?
Yet, this is the same BS that, ahem, “MR. COLLEGE FOOTBALL” resoundingly endorses.

Lets just call it what it REALLY is: A CARTEL.

BCS = Bowl Cartel System.

However, as the economy continues to deteriorate, the bowl money will soon start to disappear. Then, only a handful of bowl games will remain.

And when THAT happens, then we’ll finally get a playoff system.

Atlanta Nole

September 29th, 2009
9:37 am

So if you play all the teams on your schedule and go undefeated you still cannot be the “National Champion” because you’re not in the right conference? They might as well break FBS into the BCS conferences and put the rest in FBS-II (Second class). The entire system is garbage and that is why I think winning a conference title means more than the mythical National Championship. (And yes, I’d feel the same way if my Noles won, it’s a farce until they have a playoff!!)

Andy

September 29th, 2009
9:37 am

YES! You are dead wrong! If I hear one more person say that we couldn’t hang week in and week out in a big conference, I am just going to snap! If we were in a big conference then we would know the answer to that. If we were in a big conference we would be recruiting bigger, faster players! If we were in a big conference we would STILL be this good. DEAL WITH IT! we are a legitimate contender! We won a JC National Championship. We won a 1-aa national championship. WE WILL WIN A D1 Title! Just as soon as politics stop deciding it

Wm. Powell

September 29th, 2009
9:38 am

Heck no Boise does not deserve a shot at the national title with their pathetic schedule; I can not understand why anyone really disagrees with this. Allowing Boise the chance would only encourage schools to play weaker and weaker schedules. Boise and Utah were nice stories, but does anyone really (and I mean really, deep down) believe Boise State was a better team than Oklahoma or Utah better than Alabama?? No, if you are honest, you don’t believe that. Boise State and Utah were sky high and excited about playing Oklahoma and Alabama-OK and UA were not excited the games; their players barely missed out at playing for the national title-playing Boise and Utah didn’t mean anything, and both teams played like it didn’t mean anything-which it didn’t-except to the Boise and Utah players and fans.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2009
9:40 am

Personally I love Boise. They’ve always been good to me on the wagering end and are probably my favorite team to wager on. Anybody can get up and overachieve for one game Boise vs OU or Utah vs Bama and pull the upset. But to do it week in and week out in a bcs conference like the SEC, BIG 12,or Pac 10. No. That’s a whole different story. In a typical sec or even acc schedule you will be playing 7 bowl bound teams.It just isn’t right that Boise would have to beat one single big time team in Oregon and then beat a bunch of cream puffs to get in while everyone else has to run a season long gauntlet.

orlandodawg

September 29th, 2009
9:47 am

enter cliche…Gotta beat somebody to be somebody!

Matt

September 29th, 2009
9:47 am

no. If they want a chance to play for the BCS Championship then they need to schedule all non-conf games with the SEC, Pac 10, Big 12, or maybe the Big East or ACC. Then if they go unbeaten, give them a shot.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
9:48 am

Boise St and the other mid majors do not need a shot at the title. They need their own division with a playoff.

The BCS schools need to keep the current system and add 10-15 scholarships.

BSU Alumni stranded in Portand

September 29th, 2009
9:49 am

As a BSU alumni from the old days it is so great to even be considered in the hunt for any big games. It is already a big win for the broncos this year. It is so refreshing to see Coach Pete have humility and logic in the sea of media BS and emotion of rabid fans.

BSU’s current ranking is about TV ratings and how fun they are to watch. Remember they went undefeated and beak Oklahoma and were only ranked 5th at the peak. Politics will stop them from a shot at the big game, Utah fell to the same fate they should have got a shot. Open your minds people and keep up the pressure on BSU football we love it and have always had something to prove.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
9:49 am

If Boise St played Fresno St’s schedule chances are they would drop a few. For those that say they would not if Fresno can schedule BCS schools so can Boise.

orlandodawg

September 29th, 2009
9:50 am

How short is America’s memory? A team that Boise plays this year from an island completed a similar feat a couple of years ago, and went on to be humiliated in the Sugar Bowl…that game was a boring blowout…do you really want to see something like that in our national championship game? Really?

Knute

September 29th, 2009
9:51 am

If it is not settled on the field it is just speculation. Everything wriiten here is just so much speculation. Let’s do it right and create a 16 team playoff.

Miles

September 29th, 2009
9:52 am

Even if Boise State went to the National Championship, they’d get crushed…

Otto

September 29th, 2009
9:54 am

BSU alum I applaud the school fight and rise but no they do not deserve a shot. The schedule does not justify it. It is a shame College Football has fallen to the cries of everyone deseerves a shot. My nephew’s little league team would not deserve a trophy for last place and Boise does not deserve a shot for the title given the facts of their schedule as Tony pointed out. deal with it schedule tougher teams and work your way into a BCS conf. Miami, FSU, Louiseville and others did.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
9:56 am

Based on the current system, the non-BCS conference teams may get an occasional invite to a big money bowl, but will never get a chance at the big game. The perceived strength of top to bottom league schedule overwhelms an out of conference win. If basketball had a similar structure, Memphis, Gonzaga, UNLV, Utah and Louisville (pre Big East) would never, ever even sniffed at the chance at the Final Four. While every other level of football and other team sports, including the pros, provides a playoff format, 1A football remains entirely subjective and driven by $$$. Put all the lipstick and makeup you want on that pigskin, only a playoff format will allow everyone a chance at the top trophy. Till then, 85% of the teams start and play the season with no chance at the title.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
9:57 am

Hawaii was humiliated in the Sugar and Boise was destroyed in Athens. Yes Utah won the Sugar and Boise beat Oklahoma. When was the last time Oklahoma or Bama won a BCS Bowl?

Dave R

September 29th, 2009
9:57 am

Tony’s absolutely right that Bosie would not make the BCS title game ahead of a one-loss school from a BCS conference (or an undefeated Houston or TCU; in the first case because the Cougars have better non-conference wins, in the secnd case because the MWC is much tougher than the WAC). However, this year’s regular season is looking a lot like 2007 so far, and it wouldn’t be too shocking if there’s only one BCS conference team with one loss or less at the end of the year (and even less schocking for Houston and TCU to lose a game somewhere). And that’s a much more interesting question. Would undefeated Boise get to the title game ahead of a two-loss SEC / Big 12 / Big Ten / Pac 10 champ? How about a two-loss Big East champ (especially if it wasn’t West Virgnia) or ACC champ (especially if it was someone other than Virginia Tech)? I’m thinking they probably would (though someone like 2007 Hawaii, which played the weakest schedule in I-A and had more than one game go to overtime, probably would not).

gdawginkalamazoo

September 29th, 2009
9:58 am

Tony, what if they started calling themselves THE Boise State University? It has been getting THE Ohio State University in the title game only to get embarrassed. Oh and don’t come back with the old “at least we made it” either.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
10:01 am

orlandodawg, two words for you from my memory… Ohio State

orlandodawg

September 29th, 2009
10:06 am

gotcha anthony…Ohio State=overrated…so you’re saying Boise State=overrated…couldn’t agree more…and just like Ohio State, Boise will get to a BCS and play an SEC team and find out how a real football game is played, and lost

Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:08 am

This is not the Boise state team that lost to GA in 05, not even the same coach.
This is not the Boise state team that beat OK in 06, I think they are better, but then so are a lot of teams.
Do I think they will get a chance in the NCG even if all the BCS schools have two losses or more and BSU is undefeated, no way and that is just sad.

oleballfan

September 29th, 2009
10:12 am

Enter your comments here
Boise State and TCU (or Houston), IF UNDEFEATED at the end of regular season, should play a post-season game for a BCS play-in. Then let the chips fall where they may.

These mid-majors are living off the land of the Bama’s, UGAs, LSUs, FLAs, Ohio States, USCs, OUs, Texas’s,NDs, Michigans, Miamis, FSUs of the CFB-world. These are the teams that have made CFB the great sport that it is today.

NOT the Boise’s, Utah’s and the wannabee mid-majors. The mid-majors must pay their dues to earn their way into the BCS games. PLAY more than 1 or 2 games vs credible opponents.

dawgday

September 29th, 2009
10:14 am

Maybe we should hope for a Boise St./Houston BCS NC matchup. The TV ratings alone would force a playoff system.

Here’s what you do Boise — dump the smurf turf, grab Utah or BYU, join the Pac 10 and make it the PAC 12 with two divisions and a Conf. championship game. There, that was easy.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
10:15 am

No, I was referring to a boring national title game. So following your SEC homer logic, Utah did not play in a real BCS football game just last year?

Anonymous

September 29th, 2009
10:16 am

Hey BruceDawg,

Were you compelled to be a GA fan because you’re an a$$hole, or did being a GA fan turn you into one?

Jus’ askin’

SEC FANATIC

September 29th, 2009
10:16 am

BruceDawg, or whoever. Please get off Tebow. You are really showing your obsession. And your ignorance and lack of class. Geez, talk about a bad case of Gator envy!! If you are truly a “Dawg” fan, believe me, you’ve got alot more things to worry about this weekend than Tim Tebow. Currently, you are in a neck and neck race with “m” for the biggest idiot on this blog. Have a nice day, and don’t trip on your way out…

Mr. BCS

September 29th, 2009
10:21 am

I’m trying to pronounce the word, but I just can’t make myself say it…pla…playo…playoff!

jack

September 29th, 2009
10:22 am

How many games have you watched B.S.U play. It should be about how good a team is , not just who they have a chance to play. The players have no choice over who they play, but they do chose how hard to work and how good to be.
So if you want to argue they should not be there, try using some actual thought instead of repeating the same old junk. I watch a lot of football, because I enjoy football, and football is what happens on the field, not from some lazy reporter repeating the same old argument for the 900 time.
The best team should be there, and Boise is a very good football team, no matter who they play. I would bet you have watched very little of b.s.u play, yet you feel you should give an opinion on them.

Mr. BCS

September 29th, 2009
10:24 am

I am trying to pronounce the word, but can’t make myself say it…pla…playo….playoff!

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
10:31 am

Hey SEC Fanatic- no dude- you win that hands down Jerkoff

Tom

September 29th, 2009
10:31 am

First of all Boise’s State’s schedule is a joke. They could certainly play better competition but they choose not to. Is it about ratings… of course that’s why Macon, Ga doesn’t have a NFL team. But BS can’t use the argument that they are undefeated and should have a chance to play in the BCS champsionship game. They put themselves in this situation and now want to make themselves out as victims….I call BS on BS.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:32 am

The player have no choice over who they play but they did have a choice of what school to play for. If you want a national title man up and play a ntional title schedule, don’t send your senator crying to the press wasting tax payer money on special hearings. Also yes I stayed home on a Friday night and watched Fresno play Boise.

TRoweBronco

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Hey robert, “…Boise State…waxed last year by TCU…”? I would hardly call a 17-16 decision a “waxing.” Admittedly, TCU was the better team last year, especially their defense (dang!), but come on man, be realistic, that game could have gone either way.

Boise State started out ranked higher than the other non-AQ teams this year due to their returning roster. They were mostly Freshman and Soph’s last year, and here’s the bad news for all you Boise State haters, the returning roster next year is 20 of 22 starters! I expect that if you hate Boise State this year, you’re in for a really miserable 2010 college football season.

Here’s my prediction for ‘09 – ‘10: Boise St. wins out (13-0), gets left out of the NC, but wins their BSC bowl game in typical BSU exhilarating fashion (please God though not OU again–for Bob Stoops sakes! His heart just can’t take another bowl loss). The NC game between Florida and Texas is another one-sided drab affair, and everybody but SEC fans are left wondering, “what if?” The 2010 pre-season pollsters cannot deny Boise a position in the top 10 for fear of extradition. Boise St. runs the table (that’ll be two straight undefeated seasons), including two “quality road wins” over VA-Tec and Oregon State. All the haters are overwhelmed and finally denied inducing much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands. Little ‘ol Boise State is finally granted the opportunity to play in the 2010 NC game. The glass ceiling is shattered, the BCS is finally exposed for all its wickedness, Congress passes the ‘BSU rule,’ a playoff system is enacted, birds sing, and we all live happily ever after! Amen.

Elliot Garcia

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Nobody is better than Florida! Get over it!

Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Here is an idea. To play in the BCS you must win your conference, how about that as a way to prove you belong.

LoqueID

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

| “Those conferences are simply playing a different level of football.”

Yes, they play in different conference with teams playing on a higher level. However, Boise State plays the SAME level of football as those teams, just against inferior teams. Florida is still ranked #1 even though their OOC schedule remains significantly weak… This is because of the quality of their football team. The same should be considered for Boise when considering them vs. a Houston or TCU. Boise State just has the better all-around team. Is that debatable? Sure. But you can’t shove someone else ahead because of a one-season resume if you’re not doing it to everyone else

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
10:36 am

Anonymous….naw dude- I’m from Florida- where they all live

Michael

September 29th, 2009
10:39 am

I totally agree man, UGA has a better non-conference schedule.. not to mention, we play in.. umm the SEC?

Brew

September 29th, 2009
10:42 am

Conferences like the Mtn. West and the Pac 10 won’t allow Boise St. in. BSU would be at worst third in the Pac 10 this year and could win the MWC. The only team who might, might be better in the Big East is Cincinnati. They could be right in the hunt in the Big Ten (11) given how weak that conference looks.
Face it, after the Fiesta Bowl, not many of the BCS teams have the guts to schedule Boise St. and even fewer would travel to play on their home turf.

Shane

September 29th, 2009
10:43 am

Bruce Dawg that was the funniest comment made to date! LMOA!!!!!!!!!
Tebow got JACKEP UP!!!!!!

Jason

September 29th, 2009
10:46 am

People keep saying the WAC isn’t as tough as the SEC or even the ACC. Maybe it’s not. But top to bottom do you think the Big East is better? Do you think the Big Ten is better this year? Sure doesn’t seem like it. Yet, both of those conferences have a seat at the BCS table. It’s arbitrary. BCS should play a tougher schedule. I’m sure UGA and Tech and Miami and Florida and Notre Dame would be thrilled to play a home-and-home with Boise State. Right? No, of course not. BSU came to Athens, but never would the Dawgs go to Boise. It’s simply unthinkable. But why not? A lot of the BCS schools will occasionally schedule a non-conference team like Boise State, but there absolutely won’t be a return trip. It’s arrogance and money. It has nothing to do with the quality of football.

How about this. A 16-team playoff. The conference champion (however the conference decides, championship game, regular-season champ, whatever) from each of the 11 conferences plus 5 at-large bids determined by either polls or a committee or hell, voting online. Then seed them the same way. At least then the argument would be over the No. 15 and 16 teams. Not over 1 and 2.

It’s just absurd that going into the season only teams from 5 pre-selected conferences have any chance of being national champions. The rest of the teams are not allowed in. I guess that’s why they call it the BCS championship. It’s not a national champion, it’s the supposed best team from among 5 pre-selected conferences. That’s all.

RedTornado

September 29th, 2009
10:46 am

to play the what if game that you’re playing TB. What if you the top 2 teams in the country have 2 losses , is that possible? I mean a 2 loss SEC team could win the SEC championship game and possibly put them in the NC game.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:49 am

Brew, Fresno played USC down to the wire in the middle of their run and I see them playing BCS schools. Boise St can do the same.

Mark, Here is an idea. To play in the BCS you must win your conference, how about that as a way to prove you belong.

Does winning the Big10, ACC without any big OOC games prove you belong? Based on the Big10’s and ACC’s record in BCS bowls I would say not. If they do not qualify the WAC surely does not. The MWC should be a BCS conf and the ACC or Big East dropped.

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2009
10:50 am

BruceDawg:
War Eagle:
Shane:

Clearly, anonymity enables juvenile behavior.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:55 am

Jason, The 16 team playoff turns CFB into another boring sport which is not discussed in the offseason locval rivals are not viewed nation wide with any great attention and matchups like VT/Bama, USC/OSU, OU/Miami etc go away.

I posted a WSJ when Tony was writing about playoffs in the spring the NCAA basketball ratings fall as the tournament increases and not just for the regular season.

The mid majors don’t need to be included in the BCS, they need their own division and the BCS schools need to go back to 90s scholarship levels.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
10:55 am

All you dawg fans hating on the Ohio State buckeyes. You are quite a funny bunch. You take pride in thumping your chest over the fact that they have been in Three NC games and lost two in the last 7 years. Now since the Dawgs are so much better…how many times have they been to a NC game? I mean played in the games not watched from the stands? Oh that’s right they have not been there in the modern era. You @ssclowns are funny. Not only is your team a joke and gets blown out regularly by some SEC, but you have the nerve to make jokes about tOSU. Listen girls when you get to our level come and talk to me. Other wise STFU.
Back to the topic. Tony you are right:

Al

September 29th, 2009
10:56 am

You are most definitely wrong. Go soak your head.

Kendawg

September 29th, 2009
10:59 am

A few years ago, Boise State came to Athens. The media was excited. All I heard the week before the game was how Boise was going to upset the Dawgs. Well, UGA ran them out of the stadium. That game proved that if Boise played an SEC schedule, they would be no better than a middle-of-the-pack team. The only way Boise deserves a shot at the NC is in a plyoff system, preferably 16 teams.

Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:59 am

Otto,
An undefeted conf champ should not be excluded so a second tem from any conf gets in the BCS, yes even the SEC.

All I'm Saying Is...

September 29th, 2009
11:00 am

Of course you are right, Tony, but since when has logic ever been the prevailing sentiment in the topsy-turvy world of college football.

The BCS improved the circus that exists for determining the best team in the country but without a playoff there is always room for debate.

I appreciate the facts that you have lined up regarding Boise State’s weak schedule and, hopefully, this will

(a) inoculate the BCS from members of Congress who might try to lobby for their inclusion in a national championship game

(b) educate your brethren in the media so they won’t start crying foul about Boise State being ‘left out’ of a national championship game

and

(c) spur BSU to do whatever is possible to play a tougher schedule by getting games with better quality out of conference opponents — which can be done if they are willing to travel and play one of the ‘big boys’ on the road in their house (that’s what Bobby Bowden had to do and did do — playing Nebraska when they were a monster at their place — to elevate the FSU program back in the late 70s and early 80s well prior to their joining the ACC)

Several have said it on this blog and they are right: BSU, Utah, etc. are the beneficiaries of the BCS given how weak their conference opponents are in that they can play their way into a bowl game with a huge payout. With that situation (which came about due to pressure from Congress) now comes the responsibility of toughening their schedule if they also want to have the opportunity to play for the national title.

southga

September 29th, 2009
11:00 am

Simple playoff format: 8 teams, which adds two extra games for two teams(the championship game), and one extra game for two other teams(the final four)..eight teams are the CONFERENCE champs of the 6 BCS conferences (NO at-large), and the final two spots are decided by a play-in system….the Mountain West conf. champ and WAC champs play for one play-in spot, and the MAC and Conf. USA champs play for the other play-in spot……..all inclusive, fair, cut and dry, and does not depend on polls, opinions, etc…….an added bonus to this format is that EVERYONE can schedule marquis/powerhouse non-conference opponents during the season, because losing those games would not hurt you as long as you win your conference…………for what it’s worth….by the way Tony, how does Penn State’s schedule rank??

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:01 am

JohhnyBoy, look at UGA’s record against the Big10 UGA would have no problem making the title game if they played in the Big10. How is OSU’s record against the teams UGA play every week?

Saint Nick

September 29th, 2009
11:02 am

M,

Please STFU!!!!!!!!!!! You sit their at your spongebob computer and run your mouth about this and that and not EVER making sense. You do realize that Bama beat VT by ten points, VT beatdown Miami, that in turn KILLED your beloved jackets. And your team and conference is great…NOT!!!!! The only reason you run your mouth about a playoff is that is the only way an ACC team will ever get a sniff of a BCS championship!!!!!! LOL

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2009
11:03 am

Eric, you too.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

SouthGa, the reason UGA and others such as Texas and OSU play those marquis matchups is to be factored into BCS title game. If they just have to win their conf their is no need to play those big OOC games. UGA started the schedule after Auburn ‘04 after watching a weak OOC get left out.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

I really hate going off topic but you hicks can’t seem to stay on course so…well I have to set you straight.
I have a question for you Dawgs, this is sec country yet I can’t go to a discussion where the Ohio State Buckeyes are not brought into the conversation. Why? You folks are way to obsessed with our team. Let me guess…an inferiority complex? Yes that is what I thought. Tell me how many of you haters out there could even walk on to the program? Just as I thought. Keep thumping those chest your delusions are growing.

Mark

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

southga, you need to go to 16 teams to include all conf champs.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:05 am

M still posts in here?

His Ramblin has turned into white noise for me.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:06 am

Otto
bring them on.

boots

September 29th, 2009
11:07 am

Tony, whatever you think is not really important. What Tim Tebow thinks is what matters. He is the deity of college football, and Kirk Herbstreet is his priest. Whatever the two of these guys thinks will decide things. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:07 am

JOhnnyboy, you trust your head coach that couldn’t even walk on to your Buckeye team to lead them. What does ability to play have to do with it?

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:09 am

Otto

The key is “they play every week”, don’t you think this makes a difference? Once you understand a team and their tendency it makes for a more level playing field.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:09 am

Jonny, I think we have and frankly it is getting old, seeing OSU fall to SEC teams and now Texas. The SEC and Big12 are clearly out front in the CFB world.

Boise Dawg

September 29th, 2009
11:11 am

Yes I agree, under the current system it is tough for Boise St. to have an agrument for the BCS championship based on their weak schedule. They could schedule tougher, but that would mean less home games for their local fans… since nobody from the major conferences wants to travel to Boise. They have had some luck getting Oregon and Oregon St. to come to Idaho, but other than that?

They are playing Virginia Tech next season in D.C. I think… but they need to find at least one more major BCS school to play each year.

I really think this Boise St. team is a legit top 10 team… not sure about top 5 though. If they go undefeated they will deserve a BCS bid. The conference bowl alliances is what is killing Boise St. If they don’t get a BCS bid their limited to about 2 lower tier bowl options… that is what stinks about the system for the non BCS teams.

Tampa Coach

September 29th, 2009
11:11 am

You are 100% right…I can not believe we have to deal with this every year. Everyone might want to pay attention to USF…they are going to clearly win the Big East and may go undefeated as well. They have the best front four in the country.

slim jim

September 29th, 2009
11:12 am

right on Tony,

Boise cant help that they are in the WAC. But they could have scheduled another BCS conference team instead of Miami OH. I know PAC 10 schools shy away from scheduling BSU, but you could accept a game @ Ohio State or something.

Like the BCS or not, it forces Atheltic Departments to beef up the football program’s schedule

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:12 am

Jonny, yes playing the best every week does tend to raise your level of play. Playing in a conf. that has passed its prime tends to lower it.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:14 am

Otto

Having the ability to play has everything to do with it. You have clowns on here thumping their chest acting like they are the ones beating the team. I find it interesting when people tell other fans that we beat your… or we could beat your… When some of these clowns could not start for a high school team.

ATL_LOVE

September 29th, 2009
11:15 am

PLAYOFFS?!!!!

War Eagle

September 29th, 2009
11:18 am

No way these second level BCS schools could stand to play a top division school each week like the SEC, Big 12, ACC, and Big 10 schools have to do in their conference schedules. Let them try, they make up their own schedules, try it, maybe play LSU, Ga. Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, USC, and throw in a few Dukes, Iowa’s, Texas Tech’s, and Arizona State’s. Let’s see how they do then? They could not get their kids up each week to play major competetion nor do they have the depth and quality of athletes to do so. Get real here, join a real conference and compete on their level week in and week out and see how you will do. I think they choose not to do this, they like to argure how good they are without playing much of a schedule. They do have a good ball club but not on the same level as OK, TX, AL, GA, USC, VA. Tech, Florida, and some others. They have to prove it week in and week out by playing the top competitors and they can do it with great consistency. Good Luck but they will never be my national champions.
War Eagle!

Boise Dawg

September 29th, 2009
11:18 am

As a Georgia fan… if we don’t win the SEC, I’d much rather see us play a team like Boise St. in the Outback or Capital One Bowl… then say a Michigan St. Wisconsin or Iowa. Outside of the championship games most of the bowl matchups lately have been extremely dissapointing. I used to like the bowls.. now I find most rather boring and would rather see a playoff.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:19 am

JUst because they can’t play does not mean they can analyze for themself. Most people could not be president but they can sure vote for one.

Jeff

September 29th, 2009
11:20 am

Boots- well said, but you forgot Urban. between the three of them they dictate the world of college football. ESPN is there as well. I honestly thought they were going to have to go off the air after Tebow was hurt. It’s so sad that people are so wrapped up around 1 person. He is no better than any other guy that is out there playing for his school. Mort talented than most- yes, but not to the level some people have raised him to. God works in mysterious ways to humble people.

GT

September 29th, 2009
11:23 am

With scholarship limitations and academic bars being raised, more players getting better coaching in high school and college a lot is changing the landscape of college football. We are seeing a whole conference left out of this formula with the Mountain West. Utah beat Alabama not Ok. in a bowl game last year. An SEC team and the second best SEC team. BYU beat Ok this year, people tried to tie it to a loss of a quarterback that played the whole first half and they were losing then. A lot of assumptions are no longer viable and only the powers to be keep them in vogue. Paul Johnson is making a living off driving into wrong way signs. Not too many years back a athletic director tried to convince his fans that holding Tech to a higher expectation was nonsense. Now it takes hard work that is why these coaches are paid the millions they are paid. Some in the coaching profession don’t like that forced labor, but for the ones that love the game, there is no longer a Bear Bryant or having to go through South Bends, it is wide open for all.

Sad Stuff

September 29th, 2009
11:24 am

Seems like Tony is just another apologist for the status quo. It’s well past time there should be a playoff system. You know who fights the bowl system the most? The bowl directors, all of whom make huge inflated salaries.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bowl-bowls-junker-1948815-tax-million
But the main obstacle standing in the way of a playoff is the bowl system itself, a billion-dollar-a-year industry operated primarily by tax-exempt bowl committees who have spent decades and millions of dollars nurturing relationships with influential friends on university campuses, conference headquarters, state houses and the halls of power in Washington, D.C.

swhite1115

September 29th, 2009
11:24 am

So, a playoff lets a “hot” team win the championship, eh? I guess that means we should eliminate the NCAA basketball championship, right? Has a team ever gotten hot and beat a better team? Uh, yes. If the NCAA thought they could get through-the-roof ratings with Boise State in the championship game, they would move heaven and earth to do it. And that’s a fact, because in the end it isn’t about who’s champion, it’s about how much money can be made by the NCAA and the networks. If it could be proven to them that more money could be made with a four, or eight, or sixteen team playoff, they’d do it in a heartbeat. Most fans want it, many coaches and players want it…it’s the bowl officials, the networks, and the NCAA that are keeping it from happening. Period. And because of that, a team like Boise State will forever be kept from playing for the championship. That is, until some smart lawyer figures out a way to sue the NCAA for a slice of the pie. That’ll get their attention.
On Orlandodawg you are so right – how in the blazes does OSU keep getting in the championship game? And for that matter, why is Notre Dame the independent that gets all the glory. When they play a “quality” game they usually lose. When they play an inferior opponent they escape by the skin of their teeth, but somehow they always get mentioned in the BCS mix. Yeah, right.
You know, this whole BCS junk started when BYU won the “National Championship” way back in the early 90s. People were crying and moaning then that they didn’t play anyone, etc. But, they won all their games. They were undefeated. They deserved to be crowned champions. Boise State deserves the chance as well, if they do what they’re supposed to do – win.

im4bama

September 29th, 2009
11:24 am

Sure Boise State, TCU and maybe Houston are very good teams. I don’t care if they go undeated, there is still no way in the world they should get the nod over a one-loss from a BCS conference. As good as they are, they don’t play enough tough opponets during the regular season to deserve a shot at a National Title. If they want to be, schedule everyone of your non-confernce games with some top 20 teams and win those to make up for all the other cupcake games they play.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:25 am

O
I agree the conference is (at this time) past it’s prime. Still shows well against the sec though.
OSU can’t do anything about that. They can just continue to dominate and hope the coach doesn’t continue to crap his pants in big games.

Big Rome

September 29th, 2009
11:26 am

Sometimes it is easier said than done when it comes to scheduling. The tougher schools from the other conferences want no part in Boise. especically if it means traveling to the Big Blue. This is and always be profit driven. We all know that a playoff system would be best in determining a true Champion. Remember the 1983 NCAA Basketball Tournament, who gave N.C. State a chance? I now I did’nt. That is what separates March Madness from all other systems, everyone has a shot!. Some say football is too physicall demanding for a playoff. First off, other divisions have proven it could work, secondly, simply develop all of your players and you will be ready for fatigue and injury. After all, that is why these kids were brought in anyway right. Time for change. How long will perfection (undefeated seasons)not be good
enough?

ed

September 29th, 2009
11:26 am

boise st will lose a game anyway.. trust me..

Boise Dawg

September 29th, 2009
11:27 am

War Eagle… the PAC 10 is not going to invite Boise State to join their conference anytime soon…. and for some reason the Mountain West thinks they are too good for them to. Boise St. has been lobbying the Mountain West hard the past two years to no avail. With the addition of Boise State, the Mountain West would have a strong argument to be a BCS conference.

I agree Boise St. lacks the depth of some major conferences.. but I also think they can beat almost anyone in the top 25 on any given night. Pretty remarkable considering they recruit Pac 10 leftovers.

m

September 29th, 2009
11:27 am

These same sec fools on here today that say Boise is not deserving are the same sec fools that said Utah couldn’t beat alabammer last year.

The sec fans are the biggest fools I have ever seen. They are wrong and wrong and wrong again…and all they do is get louder.

If Boise State was in the sec this year, they would only be underdogs to alabammer and florida…they would be equal or favored with anyone else. And they are just as capable as anyone else.

Get opinions OUT of football…NOW. Only on the field results should matter.

We need a playoff…NOW.

It would be the most exciting sporting event in history…and the champion would have legitimately won it ON THE FIELD…not this MYTHICAL BSbcs.

By the way, Tech plays 3 of these sorry arse sec teams and Tech is going to mop the floor with them. Mark it down.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:28 am

O
Is that what you call itanalysing? I would call it trash talking. Not much analysis going on. For that matter not much rational thought either, but what should I expect.

swhite1115

September 29th, 2009
11:30 am

And by the way, this works both ways. Why haven’t any of the SEC or ACC or Big Ten or Big Twelve teams scheduled Boise State. GA/Boise St. home and home? Richt might go for that. FL/Boise St. home and home? Uh, no way Urban does that. Ohio St./Boise St. home and home? Maybe. Wonder if Paterno would be willing to do that.

PTC DAWG

September 29th, 2009
11:31 am

I saw the traveling Boise Road show in Athens a few years ago. No need to be forced to sit through that again.

PTC DAWG

September 29th, 2009
11:33 am

Good point about the set bowl tie ins with the conferences. I agree, the Big 10/SEC tie ins have to be getting OLD to both conferences. Let’s shake it up a little.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:34 am

swhite

The reason is money.

War Eagle

September 29th, 2009
11:35 am

I would like to think what happened this weekend maybe humbled Urban and as the Ball Coach used to say “Gators Everywhere” but have a feeling it didnt. pretty sad

Dan

September 29th, 2009
11:35 am

If B.S.U. would stop playing against the intermural squads they would be given there due in the national polls. Until that happens, forget about any national title.

SEC FANATIC

September 29th, 2009
11:36 am

TIM TEBOW FOR PRESIDENT! THE BEST WHO EVER PLAYED! ABOUT TO BREAK ALL THE RECORDS INCLUDING THE GREAT HERSHEL! THANK GOD FOR TIM TEBOW FOR THERE IS NO ONE LIKE HIM! GOD IS GREAT, GOD IS GOOD! THANK YOU GOD FOR TIM TEBOW!

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:37 am

Jonny, you are the one name calling describing us all as hicks.

Big Rome

September 29th, 2009
11:39 am

So what Ed, losing a game or two should not matter. How many undefeated Super Bowl, or NCAA basketball champions have there been. I say bracket them out and see what happens. Hell, you could even bracket the bowl games. How many are there nowadays, a million?

War Eagle

September 29th, 2009
11:39 am

SEC Fan just proved my point.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 29th, 2009
11:39 am

Anonymous, that 10:16 post was funny.

BehindEnemyLines

September 29th, 2009
11:40 am

No Tony, you aren’t wrong. The only way Boise should see a national championship game is either on TV or by buying a ticket.

Jeff, BruceDawg, War Eagle, Shane, Eric, et al.

September 29th, 2009
11:41 am

YES, WE ALL HAVE A MANCRUSH ON TIM TEBOW. HE IS THE GREATEST! XOXOXOXOXO

senoiadawgs

September 29th, 2009
11:41 am

Look folks quit using the Utah/Bama game from last year. Bama came out of the SEC championship game last yr that was a play-in for the MNC. They lost and got stuck playing Utah. Those guys were not hyped about while Utah was buzzing with excitement. The game meant everything to one team while the other most likely could have cared less from a player point. It makes a huge difference.

Now on to Boise, no way do they get a shot. Either get in a real conference or fill your schedule with outside of conf. games with nothing but BCS conf. games. If they want to play for the MNC in today’s world this is there only shot, otherwise the computers will destroy them every year.

Tim Tebow

September 29th, 2009
11:43 am

I really am the best! I am Great…..I am good……I will be back for LSU and we will run up the score. Just wait till next year UK. You made me and my coach mad! My coach will name the score next year- you wait. Noboby makes my coach mad. Kirk H. is also mad- he has been crying but trust me- those are mad tears.

Jeff, BruceDawg, War Eagle, Shane, Eric, et al.

September 29th, 2009
11:43 am

YES, WE JUST LOVE IT WHEN HE WEARS THE WHITE PANTS! WE ARE OBSESSED!!!

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:44 am

senoia, further lets see Utah play a very physical game against a Top 5 team weeks before playing the bowl and see if they have the depth to survive.

Tburney

September 29th, 2009
11:46 am

First off many have already mentioned that BCS system is flawed. My thouhts on this are that Boise State has had, I believe four undefeated season in the last 5 or 6 years, they were undefeated last year, but for the bowl game against a good TCU team. They deserve a chance and should be (if undefeated again)in a BCS bowl this year. After the BSU BG game this weekend ESPN did not even mention Boise State in there follow up shows until the College Final was on. God bless Lou Holtz and curse Mark Mays. They literally skimmed over #8 Boise State going from #7 to #9 in there broadcast. The “reporter”, which is a term I use grudgingly in this case, Graham Watson has all but completely forgotten Boise State even exsists in her blogs. The thing that is not fair about this whole situation is, the Good Ole Boys back east and down south are money boys. Theye have flat out stated that Boise State does not belong. As well as Boise State is ranked right now, remember the BCS “computers” will decide and could, probibly will, rank us much lower based on our SOS. You all say join a different league, schedule better teams, well it takes two schools who are willing to schedule. The big schools do no want to schedule us it is a loose loose situation for them. We do not want to go to the MWC, why? It is a lateral move, and in my opinion they do not want us. Our best hope is that the PAC 10 will open up and turn to the PAC 12. They have a new leader over there now. So perhaps when their TV rights are up they will look it over and invite us.

SEC FANATIC

September 29th, 2009
11:47 am

I REALLY AM A TOTAL JERK- WHAT LITTLE FRIENDS I DO HAVE HAVE TOLD ME THAT AS WELL BUT THEY OVERLOOK IT BECAUSE I KNOW TIM TEBOW. HE IS GRET…HE IS GOOD…..HE IS THE BEST EVER. WOW- AM I SO LUCKY

matt

September 29th, 2009
11:49 am

I wish people would quit using the “Utah beat AL”/”BSU beat OU” argument. It’s one game that neither OU or AL want to play…these are teams that just missed out on playing a National title and are then playing in a no-win game. If they win, it’s cuz they were supposed to. If they lose, they’re not near as good as they thought.

If you think BSU should play in the title game this year, just do this for me: Take the Florida/LSU/USC/Texas schedule and, in your mind, let Boise play the same schedule. If you think they go undefeated or 12-1, I think you’re kidding yourself.

BUT even if you think they would, that’s just your opinion. Somebody who actually does that, and proves their mettle on the field deserves the shot over somebody who “might” be awesome.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 29th, 2009
11:51 am

I guess we have to remember that IF Boise makes it to a title game they still have to play one tough opponent. And yes Johnnyboy , OSU could be one of those tough opponents.

Sad Stuff

September 29th, 2009
11:52 am

Florida played Charleston Southern and Troy, and SEC’ers are whining about other schedules?? Look at Penn State’s non-conference schedule. Boise wants to play the big boys but the big boys don’t want to take a risk. The BCS is a cartel. That’s fine and so be it. But the BCS and its defenders should be honest about it and admit it’s a private party.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:52 am

Tburney, Again I point to Fresno’s schedule. If you want the games you can find them.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
11:52 am

senoiadawgs – So are you saying that AL just showed up for the paycheck and didn’t care about winning a game? Lame argument, “I lost a big game so I don’t care about playing the next one to win”. As far as scheduling OOC games, it is done many years in advance and you never know the quality of how it ultimately matches up.

ARE YOU THAT STUPID

September 29th, 2009
11:52 am

We won’t be hearing from M when Miss. St the second to worst team in the SEC puts a smack down on TECK. It’s gonna happen and he’s sweat’in bullets. M is OC… same worthless rhetoric every day.

Boise State doesn’t deserve to be in the NC game if they win all of their games and anyone who believes that is a few cards short of a full deck. You don’t deserve to play for the NC if you beat 11 of the worst teams in the country. What a friggin joke.

[...] Now that Boise State is ranked No. 5 in the college football polls, some people think that this could be the season that a non-BCS school plays in the BCS National Championship game. The AJC’s Tony Barnhardt writes that Boise State shouldn’t play in the BCS Championship game, because their strength of schedule is very weak. The Broncos have a quality win over an improved Oregon team, but they don’t play another team that is ranked above 67 in a CBSSports.com poll. [...]

SB

September 29th, 2009
11:55 am

I’d say let ‘em play in the championship game this one time if they win out. No disrespect to them or their program, but they’d probably get slaughtered by Florida, Texas, or Alabama. Once that happens, we’ll never have to hear it again. As you state Tony, the big-boy conferences just play a different brand of football.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:56 am

I do agree UF should play some Bigger OOC games. In their defense USF did back out on them. Penn St. would help Boise out. It is a private and as such it takes time to work your way into it with hard work as FSU did.

Give me a break

September 29th, 2009
11:57 am

Boise has played 1 meaningful road game in the history or their program. 48-13 loss to Georgia. When a team such as Alabama and Oklahoma have national championship type seasons only to lose late in the year and get “rewarded” by playing in the Fiesta Bowl against Boise or the Sugar Bowl against Utah, of course they wont give a crap. Utah would have lost by 20 to Bama last year in the regular season if the game mattered. Boise would have lost by 30 to Oklahoma in the regular season a few years back. I HATE Florida, but if Boise plays Florida for the National title, I may just have to be a Gator. I am so sick of Boise St. Thank you for exposint them Tony.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:57 am

Miss. St may not put the smack down on GT but even if they don’t does beating one of the worst SEC teams prove you can compete in the SEC?

IMO no.

ReptilesRule

September 29th, 2009
11:59 am

Problem with Boise is that they play 1 real team. The only way I see them getting in is if all the big boys have 2 losses. Now when they have to play the Bama’s, Florida’s, Oklahoma’s, Texas’, Va Techs on a regular basis, get back to us.

Irish-Heel

September 29th, 2009
12:06 pm

If you want to play for a national championship, then play with the big boys. Get Boise State and Utah to move into the Pac-10, turn it into a Pac-12 with two six-team divisions with a championship game. If they are undefeated then, they earn the right to play for a national title.

Tburney

September 29th, 2009
12:06 pm

What everyone seems to forget about BSU playing OU was … we were ahead the whole game, Stoops was out coached, your God a. Peterson was held to 77 yards total including OT. Boise State has the B alls to play with the big boys they just won’t schedule us.

Gen Neyland

September 29th, 2009
12:07 pm

Anthony : IMHO, a team slicing through the SEC and finishing the regular season at 12-0, ranked #1 in the country and an underdog in their conference championship game, losing the conference championship game and a chance to play for a Crystal Football then drawing Utah in a bowl is a let down…Saban and staff and team leadership failed to get them ready mentally. It showed on that night Utah was the better team which really wasn’t, but for 60 minutes they were. This I believe is the test for Alabama in 2009. Can they finish the deal..?

Sam

September 29th, 2009
12:08 pm

I am not a playoff advocate, but I think Boise getting into the title game would actually do a lot to move toward a playoff. If it happened often enough, the AQ conferences will change the rules to make it harder for it to happen.

If Boise goes undefeated (assuming TCU/Houston do not) and does not get in, then some Senator from Idaho is going to call for more hearings (which is okay with me because if they are discussing this they are not messing with something really important like my health insurance).

I bet the voters are praying Boise loses. I think the voters could accept TCU or Houston playing in the title game mainly because they have a history having come from the SWC.

Sam

September 29th, 2009
12:10 pm

Gen Neyland, your comments about BSU being better than Bama for 60 minutes is spot on. It is also a good argument AGAINST a playoff. As we see in the NCAA basketball tournament, some team gets hot and the team that was the best during the year gets beat.

AlwaysAVol

September 29th, 2009
12:10 pm

I thought Boise State was kept out because the blue field played he11 with color tv screens.

Tburney

September 29th, 2009
12:11 pm

Otto…. Fresno well I do agree, however if you were to live here you would understand, we have asked those schools, the only ones who would pony up were Oregon State and Oregon, trust me we would love the opportunity to play USC, not saying we would demolish or win however it would be a good game and not a blow out. Hey all you PAC 10 teams and coaches, give BSU a chance to play. Hey Larry Scott, think about, BSU in the PAC 10, what an awesome addition…..

oldschooldog

September 29th, 2009
12:13 pm

BruceDawg, one of best posts ever. Press conference from rose garden? LOL. And if Boise goes 13-0, why not? I’d pull out an old b&w television with UF and Boise on same field, though.

Slick Willard

September 29th, 2009
12:14 pm

Brucedawg, you are one sick, envious puppy!

Otto

September 29th, 2009
12:21 pm

Tburney Fresno has more less given up on the PAC10 from what I gather from my Fresno Friend and are traveling to Rutgers and Wisconsin. FSU has to pay their dues. If Boise wants in they will have to pay their dues.

a little humor

September 29th, 2009
12:22 pm

Coaches can burn out, so I’m going to have to pick UGA to win this week as I think CMR
has a few less miles on him than the competition. Then the rankings Gods can figure it all out.
Go Dawgs!

timthebrave

September 29th, 2009
12:29 pm

PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!Why not. I hope they put Boise St vs Houston in championship game. Ratings go down and they make a playoff system

TommyJack

September 29th, 2009
12:30 pm

Tony continues to distinguish himself as one of the better writers around. Don’t know why he wants to associate with those losers on CSS.

GeorgiaDuck

September 29th, 2009
12:32 pm

Boise State cannot get a home and home series with most of the big schools, which is what they are demanding now. The stadium is just too small. I doubt Oregon will ever go back to that snake pit.
I just can’t see a WAC team playing in the championship game.

Dave

September 29th, 2009
12:32 pm

What a joke Boise Junior College is. They dine on a continuous diet of CUPCAKES, and have the nerve to talk BCS.

They do have the rudest fans I’ve ever dealt with, I’ll give them that…

Dawgfan

September 29th, 2009
12:34 pm

If Boise wins them all then all you Bronco fans will get the seldom used Georgia rule that states…”if a team that we the pollsters rank very high gets into a position of moving into No. 2 in the polls because of a surprise upset, we the pollsters reserver the right to move you down are jump someone over you although neither of you lost a game. This rule is to prevent teams that are deemed worthy of a Top 5 ranking but unworthy of National Championship opportunity.”

Jake Taylor

September 29th, 2009
12:36 pm

TCU deserves a BCS bid over BSU. Plus TCU beat BSU last year in the bowl game.

Tburney

September 29th, 2009
12:41 pm

Hey I am not here to slam other teams or conferences, I am merely stating that BSU deserves the chance and the Big conferences are not willing to do so. TCU did win that game but I would hardly call it a beating that game could have gone either way. There was a statement previously also that BSU if allowed into the PAC 10 or MWC would be a top three team out of the get go and I definately agree.

Carl Childers

September 29th, 2009
12:41 pm

gdawginkalamazoo – The Ohio State University ended heavily-favored Miami’s winning streak in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl to finish 14-0 and win the BCS chamionship despite howls of protest from one-loss Georgia that the Dawgs would give Miami “a better game.” Just because they lost a game to Florida in their next BCS appearance certainly shouldn’t surprise a Dawg fan – you’ve been getting your backsides kicked by the Gators for about 20 years now. I’m sure the Buckeyes could do better than 1-19 against Florida, after all they’re only 0-1 right now. The Buckeyes have appeared in the BCS championship game three of the last seven years it’s been played and have one title. At that rate they’ll win the BCS championship every seven years – I’ll take it.

timthebrave

September 29th, 2009
12:43 pm

Those complaining that you won’t see quality matchups early in the season if there is a playoff system are way off the mark. I guess seeing USC vs Ohio State at the beginning of the season is better than watching them play to see who will play the TX vs FL winner in a final 4 matchup. Way more exciting. Everyone can agree with that right

Willie

September 29th, 2009
12:43 pm

I am sorry for Boise ST but there is no slot for them. USC, Ohio ST, Michigan, Penn St, Oklahoma use up the first five slots. Then one of these have to lose so a team from the SEC can be in the picture. Of course the aberration is once the SEC got in the picture it continues its foothold by winning ways. Boiste ST can schedule a game with Oklahoma or some ranked team if it wanted. It make take some dealing but it could happen. But because the of the inconsequential bowl(rose bowl) where a 6&5 team will play a 11 & 1 team makes it difficult for others to be ranked 1 or 2.

jcatl

September 29th, 2009
12:44 pm

The solution is a completely computer driven algorithm for determining the best 8 teams (by strength of schedule, win/loss, using margin of victory only in tie-breaker situations) and let those teams fight it out in a 3-week playoff. Take the human element and emotion out of it. That Penn State and Ole Miss got ranked as highly as they did only to turn out to be the duds most people expected tells you how much the humans know about these teams. As long as Joe Paterno lives and Notre Dame fields a team, those teams will be spoken of as if they are the greatest teams in the land when in fact they’ve been OK against average Big 10 competition.

Agree on the algorithm before the season starts and hand it over to the computers.

We allow computers to guide unmanned spacecraft and robots on Mars, I think they can do something as simple as determine the strongest teams in CFB at the end of the regular season. Sheesh. The BCS is a fraud – it’s only goal is to generate as much revenue as possible for the major conferences. I’m a huge SEC fan but I still see the ghost in the machine.

timthebrave

September 29th, 2009
12:46 pm

If Boise State wants people to play bigger teams there they need to change their field to green so that the rest of the country doesn’t get a headache watching them play. I respect the Boise State team but the smurf field has to go.

Willie

September 29th, 2009
12:48 pm

Carl Childers

September 29th, 2009
12:41 pm
Ohio St did not beat Miami, the referee’s did. That is why we have the second look at plays in college now. It was a passing interfence play on 4th down and the ref blew it. That gave Ohio St 4 more downs at the one yard line. Miami controlled Ohio St all game long. But here is your kool-aide…gulp gulp gulp.

Go Tech

September 29th, 2009
12:51 pm

I agree, ” NO WAY ” a BOISE is a National Champion team. 3 years ago UGA destroyed them. Let them play UGA now, and it’ll be same story. Also be glad to see CINCINATI destroyed too.. Put them and Boise in a bowl game together.

Willie

September 29th, 2009
12:53 pm

jcatl

September 29th, 2009
12:44 pm
We must go to a play off format. One day those Presidents of the universities that deny a play off series will die. They can not live forever. I do not care how much money they make. It will come to a play off and it will happen in my lifetime.

RC Cola and a Moon Pie

September 29th, 2009
12:54 pm

Utah didn’t “dominate” Bama last year – they dominated the first 9 minutes of the game and that was enough to decide it. Bama won the last 51 minutes of that game…

Gen Neyland

September 29th, 2009
12:55 pm

Sam : In the pro ranks, a wildcard can bring home the hardware because they are the hottest thing going at crunch time, not akin to a letdown because an obvious better team gets a crappy draw for a one shot opportunity the crappier team sees as their own personal NCG and if they pull it out, great for them on that given day. Alas, a playoff will come. Not as soon as many would hope but it will happen. We’ll call the NCG the Chaos Bowl.

SEC Fan

September 29th, 2009
12:59 pm

Any team that plays on a blue field does not deserve to play in the BCS NCG. It’s just that simple. If I happen to accidentially tune my TV to one of their home games, it gives me a headache. I immediately move on to another channel.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
12:59 pm

jcatl, If a play off does happen the BCS conf champs will get autobids. They must in order for the powerful conferences to agree to it. The politics involved in getting a playoff will destroy the regular season and what makes cfb special.

anotherdawg

September 29th, 2009
12:59 pm

Alot of good points made pro and con. There are some flaws with either the BCS or a true play-off season. I think the best scenerio is to keep the bowls, await their outcome, choose the best two, and then have a title game for #1. Even then, not everyone’s happy, but at least you prolong annointing the champion until after the games are played. That way the regular season and the bowl games still have meaning. And, we’re talking only one extra game, which is one of the big sticking points against a playoff.

GetOverIt

September 29th, 2009
1:08 pm

Willie, are you serious? if Miami controlled Ohio St. the WHOLE game as you stated, how in the world does 1 blown call make the difference? You can have your kool-aid back. class dismissed

Old Dawg

September 29th, 2009
1:09 pm

We all saw Georgia destroy Boise State a few years ago and then the Broncos turned around and stunned Oklahoma in a bowl game. The only way to resolve this issue is to have a playoff with the winners of each D-1 conference receiving an automatic bid, have a few other picks, put the pads on and let the best team win. Every other division of football does it. As for the Big 10 not wanting to let go of the Rose Bowl, that’s fine too. Let them have their bit of antiquated glory while the rest of the country plays for a national title.

Sure, an undefeated team like Hawaii will get in every now and then only to get waxed in the playoffs. And a team like Utah will make it all the way as well. It’s called competition, and sometimes the underdog becomes a great playoff team and wins it all.

A playoff system is a must. What a radical concept!

uga_dawg_92

September 29th, 2009
1:14 pm

Tony’s right, but more importantly……HOW can UGA be a 3 point favorite over LSU????????? Did I miss the newsflash that half the Bayou Bengals had gotten the Urban Meyer-virus??? What does Vegas know that Bulldawg nation doesn’t……I’m a DAWG but also a realistic optimistic skeptic???

sdblue

September 29th, 2009
1:21 pm

Tony, you’re saying the USA Today’s, Harris polls are wrong and therefore illegitimate? If so then you’re saying the BCS is illegitemate and therefore there’s no true champion in College football. Agreed.

Playoffs, are the only time in all of college football that would allow players and coaches to decide for themselves on the field their own destiny instead of a bunch of biased idiot polls and computers. If you don’t believe in playoffs, go back to watching a judged competition like dancing with the stars or ice skating…

Admittedly, you all say it isn’t fair. You’re right, it isn’t. For years the ball has been bouncing (by rule) in favor of the 6 BCS conferences, along whith the mountain of money as well. Sometimes it bounces in the direction of the non AQ’s. You have to take the bad with the good. If you can’t you’re just a hypocrite.

You’re all so predictable. When Boise, Houston, or TCU or podunk junior college wins a NC, you’ll then be saying it wasn’t a REAL N/C right? But when a BCS school wins it, you bow down and worship. Grow a spine and win or lose with class for once. The first step to overcoming denial is admitting the truth.

Bill E. Goat

September 29th, 2009
1:22 pm

If Joe Cox was my team’s QB guess i would make a fool of myself on the internet showing all the petty jealousy of Tim Tebow and Florida. Actually on second thought I wouldn’t because I have class unlike some UGA fans.

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chg

September 29th, 2009
1:34 pm

KC, you and everyone else crying “playoffs” SHOULD become an NFL fan. You can ignore the regular season, tune in for the playoffs, and see the hottest team at the end of the year lift a trophy whether they deserve it or not. The best part it plenty of good seats are always available because the regular season doesn’t really matter. It’s awesome.

kautzie

September 29th, 2009
1:44 pm

no im pretty sure your wrong. im not going to pretend to know every stat for everyone ever but…i have been to the blue, ive played on it. i remember playing louisville and winning, i remember losing to boston college in a great game, and beating oklahoma in yet another. all i hear is “crappy schedule, etc etc. they need to play better quality teams” well so everyone knows. boise has a nonconference game next year starting off with virginia tech. boise is currentley talking to the mountain west but would rather be in the pac-10 as our wresteling, gymnastics, and track team is allready in that conference. i say take out lame ol’ stanford and put in boise st. wich im confident that the same numbers would be put up. do i think that boise is the best in the nation? no, but i do think that who ever is should earn that spot. if its alabama, i would be nervous if it were boise in the game given their embarassing loss to utah (wich boise beat the year before that game), and that the system should honor a number one or two the same as a number one or two with three little letters, bcs, infront of their conference payroll titles

jumbeauxtiger

September 29th, 2009
1:47 pm

I enjoy watching Boise play but no way would they make it unscathed in the SEC. The physical conference play over the course of a season
would do them in.

I have been a proponent for a 8-16 team playoff but the more I think about it, I just am not sure if it would be much better than what we now have. I remember the Cardinals winning the World Series a few years ago after barely finishing above 500 in the regular season. Were they really the best team in baseball or just a club that got hot at the right time?

Using the BCS bowls for a 4 team playoff would be something I would like to see.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

kautzie

September 29th, 2009
1:55 pm

well your right jum, i dont think it would be much better but….what if we used both. use the bcs to rank until bowl season and then have a playoff with the bcs bowl teams, each bowl is a level of the playoffs?

BCS

September 29th, 2009
1:55 pm

Well said, sir. I’m sorry Boise State fans. NO ONE is saying the Boise State is a bad team; that being said, with teams like U.C. Davis on your schedule/almost any team from the WAC, you just aren’t going to be considered. If you played with the big boys week in and week out, you might have a chance. However, you don’t. One day you will move out of your conference and this conversation can happen. You can’t win one big non-conference team and 12 high school teams and be considered.

Dan

September 29th, 2009
1:55 pm

1) so is the MNC game sposed to be btween the 2 best SOS’s or the 2 best teams?
2)Boise had Or.St. also on this years schedule till the beavers backed out.
3)only 2 other conferences anywhere close by that BSU could join, P10 and MWC and neither is willing to invite Boise, you HAVE TO BE INVITED!
4)the Georgia game was 4 YEARS AGO, there is no one on this Boise team who was on that team.
5)if you do not want this to happen, then have your big bad bcs team stop playing Sister Mary’s School for the Blind in OOC, all you have to do is use your OOC to play and knock out these upstart teams, if you are not willing to do that, then STFU.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
2:00 pm

Gen Neyland – just a little lost on your logic about “the best team for 60 minutes”. Isn’t that what every game is based on, including the National Championship? Who shows up on that day, not what they did the week(s) before? It’s the old saying… “that’s why they play the game”. Utah beat Bama period. Up, down or sideways, the coaches and players didn’t come through with a win.

Adam

September 29th, 2009
2:01 pm

My problem with this line of reasoning is that you are saying that Boise State shouldn’t play for a title at the end of the season based upon the standing of the teams they play AS OF TODAY. Who is to say that the teams don’t do better than expected. Obviously, Oregon is the major “W,” but if the “bottom feeders” play a little better, those numbers improve.

Also, the argument so many put forward of “if they played in the ___” (SEC, Big 12, etc.), they’d have 4-5 losses is a logical impossibility. The truth is the DON’T play in those conferences, so we have to go with where they are and what they do this year, not what we THINK they would do if they were in a conference. Let’s be honest: why don’t we say something along the lines of “If Alabama was in the Big 12 South, they’d lose 2 games”? It’s the same argument on a larger scale.

If Boise State goes 13-0, they deserve at least to be considered. If they get blown out, so be it. They deserve a shot not based upon what we think WILL happen, but what they have done to earn the slot.

Atlanta Gator

September 29th, 2009
2:03 pm

jumbeauxtiger—-A 16-team playoff is never going to happen for a lot of reasons, not least of which is a straight 16-team playoff would add too many additional games to an already stressful 13 to 14-game season, would destroy the top bowls, and would add to many short-notice travel times for the fans following their teams. The best formulation that I have heard would be an 8-team playoff that uses the current 4 BCS bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar) as the quarterfinal game sites, followed by 2 semifinals (at either a neutral site or the higher-seeded team’s home stadium, but with 50-50 seating), and a championship final game at a rotating neutral site. The champion and runner-up teams would only play 2 additional games and the losing semifinalists would only play 1 additional game. As for for the cut-off, an undefeated 3rd-ranked team might have something to complain about being left out of the present BCS; a 1 or 2-loss team 9th ranked team left out of an 8-team playoff can’t complain much. This would also have the advantage of preserving the bowl tradition for the 116 teams that would not participate in the playoff and would not unduly burden the athletes as legitimate students. It could all be over by the 3rd weekend in January.

Slide Rule

September 29th, 2009
2:04 pm

From results so far, the PAC-10 and Big-10 won’t figure in the BCS championship game selection. The “who beat who” loops in those two leagues will be mind-boggling. Good that they both are set for the Rose Bowl via the tie-ins.

The conference tie-ins for the Sugar and Orange bowl have resulted in some unappealing matchups lately. Nobody wanted Utah (and I bet nobody wanted to play them), but they played SEC#2. Oops.

The Orange Bowl always gets a schizophrenic team from the ACC, possibly one with 2 losses this year. Boise State, TCU, Houston against them? The sponsors would go bankrupt.

The bowl that could make out is the good old “Peach” Bowl (sorry about that, “Eat mor chickin”). UGA against Ole Miss, or some nearby ACC team that hasn’t completely bombed out. UNC, NC State or Clemson (likely one would be only a 3-loss team) would bring fans.

Texas had better not lose, or there’s going to be a mess in the Big-12 again.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:09 pm

Timthebrave, no we can’t agree. The current BCS system provides more excitement. I have watched more game because the chain reaction could lead to major changes in the bowl line up? How about UCLA beating USC to knock USC out of the title or Pitt over West Virginia? Vandy playing Tennessee close in ’07 nearly sending UGA to play LSU? If you keep up with the game the current system is more exciting.

Also NCAA Basketball ratings have continued to slide while Football ratings have continued to grow. People watch what is ost exciting even if what they want is not the most exciting.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:13 pm

AtlantaGator, I agree the 16 team playoff will not happen. An 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS champs getting auto invites, and 2 at larges which will be between the noBCS schools and ND will likely happen.

The BCS conferences will have to have automatic births for them to agree to it. ND will get some clause as the always do. The other will go to the nonBCS to kill the lawsuits.

It will turn the regular season into a bore, the SEC and Big12 will rule the playoffs, TV revenue will slide, and the NFL will love it. yawn…give me the current system.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:16 pm

Slide Rule you are correct the BCS matchups have been boring lately.

The bowl matchups were better before the BCS added another bowl to include more nonBCS teams. Another reason to give them their own division.

Parity sucks!

Gatorzone

September 29th, 2009
2:16 pm

Atlanta Gator, That is a Perfect idea for playoffs. Looks like a win win for the bowls, schools and the fans!

Slide Rule

September 29th, 2009
2:18 pm

Whoa, there kautzie…Stanford has a pretty well-rounded athletic program. They are recruiting quite heavily in Georgia for football.

RedMan

September 29th, 2009
2:26 pm

The Bowl Coalition ought to be investigated on RICO charges.

kautzie

September 29th, 2009
2:27 pm

also questionable schedules….

florida: Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International
texas: Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, UCF
alabama: Florida International, North Texas, Chattanooga

the little guys:
boise st. plays fresno who lost…but close lost to over touted No. 14 Cincinnati 28-20, also noted a close loss to Wisconsin 34-31 in overtime.

they also play nevada who was in a close one with undefeated missou.

beat oregon who trashed cal when ranked so highly for no reason.

truth is, everyone has some powder puff teams in their schedule. problem is that boise belongs to that powder puff conference, we just happen to be the team that they refuse to use to take up space in their padded no conference schedule.

so….thank you. i would love to shake the hand of stoops, for playing us a great game waaaaay back when they did. thanks to gorgia. i also would like to thank both oregon schools for having the sand to schedule us. thank you oregon and oregon st. i would also like to shake the hand of the athletic director from virginia tech for letting us put our money where our mouth is in the future (scheduled for next season)

are there any other takers? we would love to not have to play the portland states, idaho states, uc davis teams, etc etc.

oregon dropped us as they dont like being embarrased at home, oregon st. got tired of us, byu yoused to play us but quit after losing two in a row to us as did utah in the years inbetwean them handing whoopings to bcs teams. (good job utah)

like fresno st., who happens to be thought of as sooooo tough despite being dominated by us every year, for their “play anyone, anywhere, anytime” so will we. call us…..not saying that were the best ever, but we can play ball

AGTfan

September 29th, 2009
2:28 pm

Since they don’t have a shot in the NCAA Beauty pagent, maybe they can be named Miss Congeniality.

Slide Rule

September 29th, 2009
2:33 pm

Yes, parity does suck. How about 6-6 teams in bowls? I think I’d rather watch Ivy league games. Or Australian Rules football.

Larry

September 29th, 2009
2:33 pm

Thank you BILLIEGOAT…you are so impressive. How quaint of you to let us know how classy you are-

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:36 pm

Maybe the reason Fresno is dominated by Boise every year is that they have injuries that take away from their depth due to playing a tough schedule with lots of traveling. I admire Fresno’s attitbue Boise could learn from it.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:37 pm

*attitude I hate these small text boxes

Jay

September 29th, 2009
2:43 pm

Tony,
You’re right; BSU could never play for a national championship. Florida, on the other hand, can play high schools, and it doesn’t seem to count against them.

To all of you who think BSU couldn’t play with an SEC team, I bet you said the same stupid stuff last year before Utah dismantled Alabama.

Techie Since '59

September 29th, 2009
2:44 pm

kautzie -
I’d like to see a home-and-home between Ga. Tech and Boise State. Tech’s played on the famous blue field recently. By the way, this year Tech plays an 8-game ACC schedule, one “patsy” (Jacksonville St.) and 3 SEC teams. Teams scheduling 3 or more “patsy” games because their conference is “so tough” is pathetic. I’ll give props to UGA for manning up this year, playing OK. State.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
2:45 pm

Jay, when you have 3 teams in the Top 4 in your own conf. and play FSU who just happened to kick BYU’s but for an OOC game you can play HS teams and still make the big dance.

huskernutt

September 29th, 2009
2:52 pm

If you really hate the BCS formula as I do, you must root for chaos at the top. Root for the big six to kill each other and BSU to continue to roll. The best possible scenario would be Cinncinatti to win out to earn the big east title and Boise to roll through the schedule. All other conferences finish with 2 loss champions and you would destroy the BCS credibility forever. The big six would then be VERY motivated to look at this formula if it would allow such a travesty to happen.

potatodawg

September 29th, 2009
2:56 pm

O.K. Boise State has a pretty good team and can compete with the big boys.If they are serious about getting a shot a the prize they need to switch conferences, About they move to the Pac 10 There’s room for them and one more good up and coming team.Then the mighty pac 10 can have a conference playoff which will help decide a national champ. Also the Big 11 needs one more team and then a playoff.

Navigator

September 29th, 2009
3:00 pm

Potatodawg echoes my feelings as well, the PAC 10 needs to add both Boise State and BYU to complete 12 teams, have a playoff like the other major conferences (little 10 not withstanding). Then we start a pseudo National Championship with all of the reps coming from conference playoffs. After all, there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

Slide Rule

September 29th, 2009
3:01 pm

Let’s look at the flip side. Playing Florida, Alabama, Texas, etc. means a lot for the athletic department (big paycheck) for these smaller schools. Sometime it works so well the littler guys grow up, for instance Boise State (obviously) and U of South Florida. I bet nobody’s lining up to play Central Michigan, either.

Wabger

September 29th, 2009
3:05 pm

How can you tell who is a good team to schedule 2 or 3 years in advance? They play VA tech next year….That’s a start.
How can you really blame the broncos? Their WAC teams aren’t helping them. Fresno used to always be a solid team.
If 4 years from now Boise plays Oregon state, Auburn and Kansas would that be good enough? Even if maybe those three teams each finish with losing records? What if the WAC has a good year and has 2 or 3 other top 25ers. IS THAT ENOUGH FOR SOME BOISE ‘QUALITY WINS?’
There is no way of knowing….based on THAT YEARS rankings. A win is a win.

FRED

September 29th, 2009
3:06 pm

COME ON GUYS START PLAYING SOME RANKED TEAMS THAN WE WILL LOOK AT YOU. YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE TOP 15. SORRY BUT IT’S TRUE.

Wabger

September 29th, 2009
3:12 pm

I love Boise State. They’re what college football needed. I also agree that schedule strength is a problem. But let’s say you are Coach Pete. Would it be fair to schedule an LSU or Florida if they demand that 2 of those 3 games are played at their home? A lot of what Boise is offered are these silly two for ones. Not just one season, one game. Why? Because if Florida or LSU gets beat in their non conf games…..Their rankings, their $, their season and their backers are screwed and upset. It’s not as easy as just scheduling a tougher schedule. They are attempting to do just that.

JaxDawg

September 29th, 2009
3:14 pm

Again I ask Tony and any other pollsters who may see this, one simple question:
If based on Boise St’s schedule they don’t deserve to play for a National Championship, then WHY do they deserve a top 5 ranking?!

The pollsters are voting on who they feel are the best teams in the nation correct? If you feel Boise St is right now today the 5TH best team in the nation, then how can you turn around tomorrow and say well they don’t deserve to play because of their schedule?

You can’t have it both ways. Either they are a top 5 team – in which case they would deserve a shot if they make it to number 2
OR
They are not a top 5 team in which case they should be ranked accordingly.

This is why the whole BCS thing is BS. How can you have a system which relies on pollsters who basically talk out of both sides of their mouth?

I’m not saying Boise St deserves to play in a national championship game and I’m not saying they don’t, but if the Coaches (sports information guys) and the media all agree that today they are the number 5 team and at the end of the season wind up with a #2 ranking then how can these SAME voters who would put them there turn right around and say well your schedule isn’t up to par? If the voters TRULY feel that way then DON’T RANK THEM IN THE TOP FIVE PERIOD!

LifelongDawg

September 29th, 2009
3:23 pm

To even be ranked in the top 10 is ludicrous given their strength of schedule. Are the polls rewarding an undefeated schedule, or are they looking for the best team(s) in the country? Yeah, the Broncos had one night where everything went right for them (Oklahoma game), but the outcome of most BCS match-ups that include Boise State will result in something like the beating UGA handed to Hawaii, or even the one administered to the Broncos by the Dawgs a few years back. Boise is good, very good, but they aren’t great.

LifelongDawg

September 29th, 2009
3:25 pm

JaxDawg,

You beat me to the punch. I was questioning the same logic.

Big Dawg

September 29th, 2009
3:34 pm

Sautee Dawg

Tony,
I agree with you 100%. Let them schedule some tougher games, wasn’t that the case a few years ago whenever an undefeated Auburn team got pushed aside for a team that had a tougher schedule.

Sautee I would like to correct something Oklahoma and USC did not have tougher schedules, Auburn was pushed aside because they started the season ranked like 18th and USC was ranked # 1 and Oklahoma was like 2nd or 3rd. The Orange and Sugar bowls proved that Oklahoma was overrated as they got absolutely crushed and embarrashed by USC while Auburn won handily in the Sugar Bowl.

So I would say your argument about Strength of Schedule doesn’t really apply and has been backed up the last few years by the ACC, Big East and Big Ten conferences in the bowl games as I believe as a whole each one of these conferences have done very poorly.

Gen Neyland

September 29th, 2009
3:45 pm

Anthony : The logic is simple and you basically repeated me but overlooked the part about mindset in my previous post. The mindset is an intregal part of the game at any level. In college ranks with a one shot opportunity bowl, Alabama’s mental state was tripped up 3 different ways coming in and they didn’t respond to failure as they never had to during the season until the SECCG and beyond to Utah. A #1 ranked underdog losing the SECCG, it’s 12-0 season down the tubes and drawing Utah instead of playing for the NC. The question becomes ” Will Alabama be able to close the deal in 2009?” I did say in the earlier post Utah was the better team for 60 minutes that day last season even though they weren’t the better team and on that note, I’ll take a seat.

Jeremy Austgen

September 29th, 2009
4:01 pm

Yes, you’re wrong. Boise State could win (would be much harder) on any of the major conference schedules if they were given the opportunity. Truth is no major conference wants to play Boise.

greg

September 29th, 2009
4:09 pm

Wrong..the frigging answer is a playoff. Oh that would mean that teams play to many games. BS…as you said Boise State plays 13 games and all other teams added a 12th a few years ago. All bowl games are meaningless exhibition games and the national championship game is a popularity contest. Boise State will deserve as much of a shot as any team.

murfdawg

September 29th, 2009
4:09 pm

Why is everyone so upset? Fla has already been anointed. Now they will get sympathy votes. Writers have the biggest story since the Gipper and they will write about it until we start throwing up.

I hope Tebow will be fine. The scary thing will be when he gets hit again. The 2nd and 3rd concussions are the career enders.

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Otto

September 29th, 2009
4:25 pm

They don’t deserve to be #5 now and based on schedule don’t deserve a shot at the title. Could they win? Sure anything is possible Likely? no

The answer is man up and play anyone anywhere like Fresno does. If you have to take deals with no return trips so be it.

jc_dawgs

September 29th, 2009
4:31 pm

For Boise St to get into the BCS championship game this is what must happen.

1) Boise St goes undefeated.

2) All or all but 1 of the major colleges have at least 2 defeats.(It happened a couple of years ago)

3) Boise St would need to be in the top 10 for the bulk of the regular season.

4) Boise St must win big in each of there reg season games. (i.e. no close calls)

That should do it. In fact…if that does not put them in the bcs championship game….it’s an unfair sham of a joke infested system.

LSU is next(for Florida)

September 29th, 2009
4:35 pm

Same reason UGA can’t play for the title, they are not good enough. The Bowl people want to see a game not a 49-10 blowout.

Disappointed Guy

September 29th, 2009
4:39 pm

Very sad that they let teams play at the I-A (FBS) level, yet do not give them a chance to win a championship. Why is it so difficult to get a true playoff system in place? I only hear a bunch of lame perspectives about the bowl system and student-athlete time. You can still have all the “fun” bowls and package up the championship bowls into a 16-team playoff. The student-athletes in the FCS and other divisions seem to survive and graduate.

Larry

September 29th, 2009
4:42 pm

hey Guys- what’s all the fuss over- I could have sworn UF won the National Championship in August. Didnt you hear? I know it was all over ESPN, CBSportsline, AJC. Seems like a moot point to be debating. ESPN is already covering the trophy presentation- they are just waiting for Urban to approve the time and place.

Larry

September 29th, 2009
4:45 pm

LSU is Next for God and Company…..no so much a God anymore? looked very human to me. better humble up Gators- as you see, it’s just a simple play away and your season is up in smoke.

Sugar Fly

September 29th, 2009
4:49 pm

No way in HELL Boise ST. gets in the BCS.

dale

September 29th, 2009
4:52 pm

Much of the disagreement it seems from a misunderstanding of what college football is. College football, like any sport is a competition to determine who can defeat whom, give the rules of the game. It it common to celebrate and crown the best team in a given season. For all sports other than college football means the crown goes to the team that has defeated more foes than any other (sometimes quality win is included too see soccer). Standard playoff brackets are convenient binary structures that magically ensures that only one team can defeat more than all the others and makes the champion very clear. If the champion is crowned not from the number of defeats, then it isn’t a sporting competition and is simply entertainment like the national cheerleading competition or America’s got talent. What is the difference, in substance, from calling in votes on American Idol and the AP poll beyond the number of voters.

Denver Dog

September 29th, 2009
5:26 pm

m and others, the only problem with a 16 game playoff is that the ACC will not get a spot. The SEC should have at least 4 and the Big 12 also, BIg 10 3, Pac10 2, 1 to Notre Dame, and one for at large.

Even then, you are talking about a media darling show. Whichever teams show well in the media will get the bids. It is that simple.

Michael

September 29th, 2009
6:00 pm

No, you are absolutely correct.

However, I do wish the BCS would make a few changes. Namely,
1) Bring all six BSC conferences up to 12 teams, two divisions with a conference championship at the end of the year.
2) Limit the number of non-BCS teams played each year to one, or eliminate them all together.
3) Create a new Division for all the non BCS conferences (and teams that do not join a BCS conference including Notre Dame) and let them go play by themselves. They can have their playoff if they want and we won’t have to put up with their constant complaining.

WAC Stuck

September 29th, 2009
6:16 pm

Boise State lost to Oregon State & Georgia 2005, beat Oregon State 2006, beat Oklahoma 2006, lost to Washington 2007, beat Oregon 2008, lost to TCU (the darling of the non-AQs by many)by 1 point 2008, beat Oregon 2009. They have beat Fresno (known as the anywhere, anytime, any place giant killer) seven out of the last 8 meetings including 2009. Many you folks have talked about Boise getting up for only one game each year as an excuse to justify the beating of the big boys. Do you not believe that every mid-major team that Boise plays circles that game on their calendars and plays over their heads. Boise has had a target on its back for years. If it goes undefeated this year it will be four of the last six. Do they belong in the NC game? Probably not at this time. But don’t take anything away from them. They are a very good team. They could ruin a lot of the AQs undefeated seasons if given a chance.

SuperB

September 29th, 2009
6:18 pm

Nope– you are not wrong. The mid-majors have to play up– or stay out.

Joe

September 29th, 2009
6:34 pm

If they are left out this year and run the table, win a BCS game against USC or whoever. What about next year Moore is only a Soph and this is a very young team that could start out next season in the top 5 and run the table again.

Well said.

September 29th, 2009
6:35 pm

You aren’t wrong at all. You’re the most right out of anyone probably on here. They don’t deserve ANYTHING. What if every team decided to go independent and schedule how BSU schedules? Should we make an extra 10 BCS games?

Boise State is exactly what their initials state…BS. They try to pad their record every year and play ONE team..most of the time NOBODY. But if they get that BCS conference team win..they feel they are entitled to the money from BCS games that BCS conference teams work so hard to generate.I’d say a 2 loss team in a top BCS conference deserves it more than BSU. We saw Texas beat UTEP..cool. Now they play real teams and have to get through a tough conference schedule. BSU doesn’t…they’re a joke.

David

September 29th, 2009
6:49 pm

The reason you are wrong is because your entire premise is based on THE POLLS. The Human Polls are so fallible it is laughable. Usually the “BIG BOYS” are right where they should be; however, we have learned this year in particular that the polls just don’t add up. OLE MISS is #4 one minute and drops like a stone the next, while USC also loses a close one a drops fewer spots. HUH? Too many programs are banking on “TRADITIONAL” currency. The are being given credit for the success of those that came before them. The problem with being a “TRADITIONAL POWER” is that it is translating in the polls, instead of the only thing that matters…wins and losses. Now I know some real small school doesn’t compare with the likes of Alabama or Florida for instance. But, too much weight is given to pre-season and early polls which is throwing the system out of whack! Maybe…just maybe in the event all have one loss except the Broncos; maybe they should get their shot. I mean Florida’s out of conference schedule looks like it was designed with the Broward County High School system in mind. Maybe a total shake up will get us to the six or eight team playoff all college football fans deserve.

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WAC Stuck

September 29th, 2009
7:10 pm

Utah and Boise have won 3 of the 4 BCS games they played in. Yes Boise beat Oklahoma in overtime, but they lead that game 28 to 10 well into the late 3rd quarter. Many of you folks can only discuss the one BCS game Hawaii got nailed and try to use some BS excuse as to why Alabama got nailed by Utah last year. Your arguments are extremely biased. I think Oklahoma has lost 4 of the last 5 BCS games. Does that mean they don’t belong in those games. If the big boys are really that superior, I’d suggest you start beating the non-AQs the big games from time to time.

SC Rules!!!

September 29th, 2009
7:25 pm

Tony,

First and foremost until the BCS is replaced by some other format to determine the participants in the NC game all this “speculation” is jsut that nothing more. The SEC is clearly still the most dominant conference, the BIG12 is still trying to figure out how to play D (Except Texas) and the PAC-10 is closing ground on the SEC. The stakes are so HUGE $$$$ wise that we may NEVER get a reasonable format to determine the real champion, sadly. My prediction at the begining of the season and still holding to this day is TEXAS winning over FLA in Pasadena. Sadly, AGAIN my beloved Trojans shot themselves in the foot and can only wonder what might have been. The PAC-10 champion will continue to have to play spot on to get into the game vs an SEC team with one loss, but that is the way it is, not gonna cry about it.
Of much more concern today in Trojan land is the health of Stafon Johnson; he is still in crtitcal condition after the surgery on his throat. Will post more when known. I simply ask all SEC fans to pray for him as we would for one of y’all. Fight On!!

JaxDawg

September 29th, 2009
7:38 pm

Tony, all rankings are waste of time and unrealistic, just ask every expert about his/her top 5 you will get different answer. if Boise play Georgia’s schedule they wont win more than 4 games. again what all this crap from the media why Oklahoma who lost to BYU at neutral site is #4 on many experts top 5 and Georgia is # 24, its unbelievable!!! South Carolina is # 5!! what the hell!!!why is Texas #2? because they beat very pathetic Texas Tech, oh come on!!!! when DID TexaS TECH BECOME A SOLID FOOTBALL TEAM!!! Penn state is ranked higher than Georgia?!!!!!! why why? they didnt play anybody and lost at home to unranked Iowa! what the hell. USC lost to Washington!!! and still # 7, gimme a break will ya? seriously a lot of Bull$hit is going on and smell really bad

John

September 29th, 2009
9:12 pm

Yeah. BSU could not beat Oregon last year. Then it was you can only win 1 in 10 games…now what is it?

BSU couldn’t beat OU in the Festa Bowl…Now, they probably couldn’t do it twice.

It’s always the same with fans and media from AQ conferences. It never changes. As soon as one hurdle is crosed (several times), another shows up.

austinjacket

September 29th, 2009
9:57 pm

what about a 1-loss ACC or Big East team? Should they get the nod over Boise St?

TB is and SEC homer. And since ABC and ESPN have paid $3B to show SEC games for the next 15 years, who out there thinks that’s going to change any time soon? I don’t know if TB has affiliations with those networks or not (forgive the insinuation if you don’t, Tony), but an awful lot of people voting in the polls do. And they have an investment to protect.

Until there is a playoff the non-BCS conf will get blocked out of the big game because the BCS (and specifically ND, SEC, Big12, and Big10) control the sports media, and that’s the way they want it.

TrueCrimson

September 29th, 2009
10:03 pm

If it weren’t for the current CFB ranking system, then we wouldn’t have these Cinderella stories to enjoy pissing and moaning about, would we? It is **so** cool that Boise State is out there, playing on their little smurf field and bragging about being giant killers. Thank God they don’t have to prove it, or the whole charade would very quickly just go up in smoke. Where would we be then? We’d be stuck with nothing to talk about except for the small percentage of games that really matter at the end of the season.

And it is the end of the season that really matters. All of the indignation about who got placed in the wrong slot in the polls in August is just dust in the wind by the time November rolls around. Ole Miss didn’t really deserve to be number 4, did they? And where are they now? Is LSU qualified to hold their current position simply because of their recent history? We’ll find out over the next few weeks. I promise you this: If they don’t belong, then they won’t remain. Complaining about early season polls is an exercise in futility. The polls change every week. It works out in the end. And the end is all that really matters.

Alabama came up from nowhere last year and they were ranked number 1 in the polls for about 5 weeks. But when they lost to Florida, it was over. Nothing to do at that point but wait for next year and try again. It’s a hard road to the National Championship. Boise State doesn’t travel on that road. I agree that it’s not fair. They shouldn’t be placed into a division in which they have no real shot at winning it all. They need their own division. But then they couldn’t be the makings of a Cinderella story, could they?

H4BGM

September 29th, 2009
10:09 pm

YES.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/year/2006 Take a look at the final 2006 rankings. Tell me the BCS isn’t screwed up. One undefeated team after all the bowl games. Boise State with it’s win over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. And don’t give me the “…look how close the OK/BSU score was…Florida would have walked over Boise.” You know this for a fact how?

SOS is pure BS and a poor excuse to exclude any team! Every game has it’s own dynamics and games are played at different levels. My 2 cents on why the #4-LSU/unranked-MISS ST game was so close….. They play each other year in and year out. They get to know their opponents really well, and the same goes for WAC and any other conference games. Take a look at the #6-Cal/unranked-Oregon game. I guess Cal thought it would be a cake walk since Oregon lost to BSU on their opener. Look who’s laughing now….

A team can have the best players but if they don’t work together as a team you can be 0 and 12 at the end of the year. There are still 11 players on each side of the ball. Trash the polls, and lets have us a play off system. The bcs conferences have the “best” players, right? What do they have to lose? Oh wait $$$$.

Scott

September 29th, 2009
10:17 pm

If Boise is such a weak team and can’t play with the “Big Boys”, why is it that no one wants to play them in non-conference games? Some teams will (Virginia Tech in 2010) but ask them to come to Boise for a home and home……won’t do it, they are to scared of what will happen to them. Oregon, Oregon State, and BYU have tried, they failed.

JaxDawg

September 29th, 2009
10:27 pm

Scott, Boise State played Georgia in 2005 and they got killed 48-13 and Georgia could have put 100 on them!!

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King of gom jabbar

September 29th, 2009
10:33 pm

Scott,

You must be a subject on my planet of gom jabbar cause you sure as hell don’t live on this planet. Where in the hell do you get the idea that nobody wants to schedule Boise? Its actually the other way around. Fresno schedules games left and right with bcs conference teams. Boise scheduled Georgia one year, got wallopped 49-14 and said “No sir, I don’t want anymore of that”

Dan

September 29th, 2009
10:50 pm

You Georgia fans crack me up, you want to go back 4 years to try to make a point, that game has no relevance to today, none, zero, nada. There are ZERO players on Boise today that were there playing in that game, heck, even the head coach has changed.
The very next year Boise won the Fiesta Bowl, what does that have to do with today? none, zero, nada, but the FB was only 3 years ago so it should have more relevance than a game that was 1.5 years before that.
The Boise team from 2006 that won the Fiesta Bowl had 5 players on it that are now playing on Sunday’s and several other players who got a look from the NFL as well as 3 that are on practice teams for the NFL…. and I am telling you that this years Boise team is bigger, faster, and stronger then the 06 team, and its the youngest team in the country with only 2 seniors on their 2 deep of 44 players, so we understand why you all are so afraid.

PrfctSpcmn

September 29th, 2009
10:53 pm

“Based on the schedules, Houston and TCU look like they would prevail over Boise State as the lone BCS Buster from the Coalition conferences.”

Well, based on how you’ve seen them play, who do you think is the best team? Your opponents don’t determine how good you are, only how bad you are. By that I mean if you play a weak team and win hands down, that doesn’t make you a bad team. But if you play a weak team and lose, well thats another story.

Ben

September 29th, 2009
11:20 pm

Boise state fans here in Boise always mention the strength of schedule under their breath and move past it quickly, but the truth is, you can’t be the best if you don’t play the best – http://bit.ly/cdpxP

Motown Hound

September 30th, 2009
6:27 am

Mmmmmmm I’ll have a Miami (Ohio) with cream cheese frosting and sprinkles on top.

Mark

September 30th, 2009
7:32 am

FloridaDawg

September 30th, 2009
7:36 am

Boise State’s schedule is a disgrace…how do they sell season tickets?

Ron

September 30th, 2009
8:19 am

You’re wrong and here’s why you’re wrong. Schedules are set up years in advance. For Boise to get a shot at an SEC team, they’d have to get them to agree to play them 4 years or more from now. And here’s the catch: no SEC team will agree to do so. Few of the very good PAC 10, Big 10, or Big 12 schools will schedule a team like Boise State either because the school from the Pac 10, ACC, SEC, etc will feel they have little to gain and much to lose.

So you penalize the team from the non-BCS conference for not playing BCS teams. But the BCS teams won’t schedule those non-BCS schools on a regular basis. Kinda makes you understand why those guys are suing the NCAA doesn’t it?

TrueCrimson

September 30th, 2009
8:26 am

Gosh, I wonder why the ‘big boys’ don’t want a home & home arrangement with Boise State? Boise would make a fortune when they travel and the other team could just swallow the lost revenue when they make the return trip to Idaho. It’s only money… right?

I might buy a ticket to go to Tuscaloosa on a pleasant Saturday afternoon and watch the Tide play a practice game with some mid-major team. And there’s always that little bit of doubt in the back of your mind that maybe… just maybe, the Crimson Tide might find a way to really screw up and lose that game. It happens sometimes — once in a blue moon. But do you really think that I’m going to spend good money to travel 2000 miles and freeze my tail off in Smurfville to watch that same game? It ain’t happening brother.

If Boise wants to prove that they can play with the big boys, then they’re just gonna have to go to the big boys’ houses to play. That’s what Bobby Bowden did at Florida State. That’s the only option if they really want to make this argument. I don’t believe that’s what they want. It’s much better for them to keep running the same scam that they’ve been playing and smash cupcakes all season long so they can brag about being the only undefeated team at the end of the year.

They might not ever win a National Championship, but they can always make the argument that they “should have won it”. And it will always be impossible to prove them wrong. That’s a pretty nice gig, if you ask me.

Rick

September 30th, 2009
9:09 am

The heisman trophy , ,espy awards along with the all conference awards are a joke. It is all based on who the print media along with espn fall in love with.The B.C.S. will soon be that way also.

Look back at the most recent Heisman trophy winners and see how long they played in the N.F.L. Desmond Howard is now doing espn game day.

Case and point Mathew S. at Georgia; 3rd team all S.E.C., no espy .The number one draft pick in the N.F.L. . .Someone correct me if I am wrong that does mean he is the best college football player in the draft. Manning will likely go down as one of the best to play football. The list could go on about how the awards are jokes.
Have the Irish with a one lose season.They will play for the National Championship.BOOK IT!!!

Blaine Davies

September 30th, 2009
9:46 am

You’re not wrong within the context of the current system. However, you do make a strong case for a playoff system. What if Boise State is the best team in the nation? Is there any scenario under the current system where they have a chance to prove it? They could win every game 48 to 0 and it wouldn’t matter – they still would not get their shot at the national title. While many people have commented Boise State couldn’t hang with the big boys in the SEC or the Pac 10 over the course of a season, how do you know? We need a playoff system to give non-BCS teams a chance to prove their worth where it matters – not just in the polls but on the field.

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Doc

September 30th, 2009
11:07 am

So under Georgia fans requirements Boise St. can’t make the title game because 4 years ago you guys stomped a mudhole in their butts. So using that logic you guys cant make the title game for 4 years because of the stains Florida left on your back sides last year to the tune of 49-10.

Yes I get it Boise St. doesn’t have the vaunted “SEC” schedule but they arent any less deserving. I agress with the poster earlier. If you don’t want them in the national title game rank them around 15 and don’t move them up. Ranking them #5 and watching them ascend to #2 ,which they will short of an upset, only to pull the rug out at the end is disgraceful. Barhnhart should be ashamed of himself for lobbying this early for the major conferences. He is almost as bad as that a-hole Danielson.The polls like politics are becoming completely divided at conference lines. I mean Ole Miss top 5? Are you serious? What world are we living in where Ole Miss the historical doormat of the SEC is all of sudden good? And after Alabama got taken to the woodshed in its last two games (Utah and Florida), were they deserving of a top 10 preseason ranking? Hell no. Did the earn it by stomping Tech, absolutely.But they never should have started that high. No doubt the SEC is the best conference in football top to bottom, but they arent head and shoulders above everyone else.

Boise deserves a shot if they are ranked that high. If you can’t run the table in the “SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Pac 10, Big East” and still be undefeated then you don’t deserve to go over a #2 ranked Boise State.

Ruffian

September 30th, 2009
12:46 pm

This is great!
Yes, I’m a Bronco fan. I want to be the first to congratulate Tony for his contribution to the Boise State program.
Here’s the big picture. Nobody from the Boise program is sizing themselves up for the NC game. They are just winning the games on their schedule. Tony needed something to write about. You all are in a frenzy, pointing fingers, stating facts, calling names. Money couldn’t buy the national attention we are reaping. I see more ticket sales, more talented recruits, and maybe a bigger stadium to play the big boys in some day. So please, keep it up. we’ll keep doing what we do. Eventually we will have the resources you all have.
Go Broncos

Jack

September 30th, 2009
2:58 pm

I agree with you. What do you think of this idea? Make Boise State a part of the Pac 10 and put Washington State in the WAC. Perhaps then they would be competing at the proper levels.

Need to Move up

September 30th, 2009
4:23 pm

Isn’t the real problem, not that Boise State’s schedule is weak, but that they are locked out of getting to a better conference. Their non-conference schedule wasn’t that bad when they set the games up. They scheduled Oregon, who has been on top. They scheduled Bowling Green when Omar Jacobs was playing and BGSU was a decent team. They scheduled Miami of Ohio the year Rothlesburger was playing, and they were on top of the MAC. Cal-Davis is an extra 13th game they added late.
The real problem is the in-conference schedule. The WAC is weak. The Broncos are 48-1 in the WAC since they entered the WAC in 2002. They have done all they can to prove that they belong in a more competitive conference. The NCAA needs to establish some system in which teams like BSU can petition to get into a better conference, because no one is extending an invitation. How can anyone say that Washington State is more deserving of a PAC-10 and BCS membership, than Boise State?

Alan

September 30th, 2009
5:04 pm

Finally, someone hit the nail on the head:

“If Boise State played SEC teams week in and week out, then they would be in the SEC or at least a BCS conference and would have a share of the disproportionate wealth that big conferences so stringently protects, and would be able to recruit more 5 star recruits. So given the incredible success and quality Boise State is able to produce on a tiny budget and 3 star athletes, I strongly suspect if they were playing the big boys every week, they would be as dominate with the bigger budget and better athletes that would follow.”

Josh

September 30th, 2009
5:07 pm

It’s too bad nobody will travel to the Blue to show Boise how bad they must suck. Instead you have Oklahoma playing Idaho State University. Next year Georgia is playing ISU too! No one wants to play BSU, especially in Boise because of the very good possibility of an early season loss that kills their opinion ranking. “The Big Boys” know they can make it to a title with one loss if it comes from another BB late in season.
Verdict: Big Boys need to grow a Big Pair and scedule the Big Blue and show us lowly taterchuggers how stupid our Big Dreams are!

Branden

September 30th, 2009
7:40 pm

Dead wrong. I’ll tell you what you should do. Call up the AD at your favorite SEC school and tell them that you’d like to do a home and away with BSU. When they laugh and say, “we are going to Boise,” you’ll know that is code for, “we aren’t going to take a chance at losing on the Blue like nearly every other team this decade.” Put up or shut up.

CF Fan

September 30th, 2009
8:28 pm

So I understand that there are tougher conferences, and tougher schedules out there, but why would you schedule your out of conference games against all big schools? Out of Conference games are usually “tune up” games or “fillers,” but You don’t see Florida Scheduling Texas do you?
Based on the logic that they need to play bigger schools then why doesn’t a BCS conference drop a low level team, and let them in. Until then Boise State is doing the smart thing. Play your conference schedule, and put one BCS/big team on the schedule that will jump you in the polls. If they don’t make the NCG too bad. Nobody can say they can beat them until they play them so they will always be the ** on the National Championship. Look at last year, yeah Florida is the National Champion and they have the hardware to prove it, but can they beat Utah? You can NOT say yes to that because it never happened. Florida beat Bama by 11 points, while Utah beat that same Bama team by a margin of 14. Based on your SOS and your Stats Utah would loose, but based on a semi direct comparison Utah wins. Until these “small” schools get the chance nobody will know, and I am not just saying one and done.
Yeah UGA blow up BSU in 2005 but can they do it today? If you as fans are sooo confident that a BSC school will beat BSU then push for your team to play a one and one. If it is such a “guaranteed win” I don’t see why every team in the BCS is not beating at Boise State’s door saying “we WANT to play you.” So other than a UGA team of 4 years ago the east coast BCS teams have not tried to schedule BSU. Four years ago! How many players are still at Boise State that were there for that game. NOT A SINGLE PLAYER. BSU’s team this year has 2 senior starters and about 50% of its team is under classmen. This shows that they are getting better and stronger yearly, and eventually these so called “big boys” will have to “man up” as you so say and they will have to play BSU on its field as well as their own.
We will see October 2010 when BSU plays VA Tech and see where this argument goes is after that.

paul

September 30th, 2009
10:28 pm

you’re wrong. who pays you to print this garbage? most of your “powerhouse” teams know better than to schedule boise state. teams that would (tough sec teams) would think twice about scheduling the games in boise. boise state would schedule any game anywhere just for a shot at the title. they are not afraid. the current boise state team would be a top three team of any major conference (except maybe the sec) year in and year out.

boise state has the best overall record of the last five to ten years and against some very good teams. they have one of the best coaching staffs in the country and anyone who doesn’t think that coach peterson could coach an sec team to the title is a complete moron. so why don’t they deserve a shot? why wouldn’t a team with the best overall record in the last decade deserve a shot at the title? why wouldn’t one of the top five coaches in the country deserve to play for the national championship?

if there was a 16 team playoff system; a non-bcs conference team would win it at some point. your “big” conferences are run by people who don’t understand what it means to be “competitive.” they only understand dollars. major league baseball has a similar structure as the bcs in that all the money goes to the select few and yet the yankees haven’t won one in a long time. the bcs is a great example of what is wrong with this country. it’s as just as the “two-party” system.

Dr. K

September 30th, 2009
10:45 pm

Answer = “Playoff.” I prefer the 8 team variety, but would take anything. Then if Boise State can beat a Top-8 team in round 1, round 2, and then the championship game, there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind what level they’re playing at. You can’t penalize Boise State for strength of schedule, because all any team can actually do on the field is win all their games. But the current BCS system inherently penalizes teams for strength of schedule, which is just another way of biasing the system toward the conferences in the cartel.

If NCAA basketball ran like the BCS, the 1990 UNLV Rebels wouldn’t have been given an opportunity because of their weak schedule in the Big West Conference. We’d have just handed the trophy to Duke. Instead, they got to play five games to the top, and then handed the Dukies a 103-73 shellacking. Nobody talks about the 1990 Rebels’ weak schedule because the system allowed them to settle it on the court. NCAA football needs to enforce the antri-trust laws on the books, bust the illegal monopoly, and settle the national championship the same way — ON THE FIELD!

gcs

October 1st, 2009
12:34 am

How can these voters in good conscience vote Boise #5?

It is careless and irresponsible of them to not take voting more seriously.

gcs

October 1st, 2009
1:27 am

I predict Boise drops in the polls this week regardless of the outcome of their game.

#5 Boise State vs. UC-Davis I-AA school. For shame Broncos!
#6 Virginia Tech at Duke. Gobblers looking good since opening game.
#7 Southern California at Cal. You cannot tell me a win by USC keeps them behind Boise.
#8 Oklahoma at Miami (FL). Ditto.

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TheShrewdOne

October 1st, 2009
1:47 am

Let’s not forget, that regardless of whether Boise State (or any other Non BCS team) goes to the NC game (or any other BCS game), they still only take home HALF the money that the BCS team does…even if the “mid-major” wins. For instance, Boise State beats Oklahoma, OK takes 13 mill home, 7 mil goes to BSU and an ADDITIONAL 7 mil goes to the BCS conferences. Utah beats Alabama, AL take home 18 Mil, Utah take 9 and an ADDITIONAL 9 mil goes to the BCS conferences. Even when they allow the little guys into the big bowls, they still rob them blind and make the rich richer. That is the reason why a serious anti-trust suit needs to be looked at.

common sense

October 2nd, 2009
2:56 pm

Enter your comments here

You are right. Until Boise State quits scheduling various Girl Scout Troops, they can’t be taken too seriously. It’s like USC having to take an SAT test, and Boise State taking a 3rd Grade STAR test.

Tom Dominick

October 2nd, 2009
10:36 pm

I disagree. Boise State is a true no. 5 team now and they will only get better. They dominated the team that slaughtefed the no. 6 team. Any one who complaims abouy their schedule should be willing to play them home and home. Otherwise, don’t mention their “poor schedule, hypocrites.PLAYOFF!!!

Mr T

October 2nd, 2009
10:37 pm

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JB

October 3rd, 2009
2:45 am

Otto

Your assumption that boise state can schedule BCS schools like fresno is wrong…. What do you think Oregon would say if Boise asked to schedule them again? NO…. the same goes with every ACC,SEC, Big ten… they dont want little old Boise to beat them and are to afraid to play them… So thus Boise has a weak schedule, that i agree with. Its hard to get a good schedule when you cant get in to a better conference, or top teams wont play you. So as boise has been doing is winning and proving to the nation that they are doing their job of the # 1 winningest team in the nation , and that all they can ask for until someone steps up and lets them prove them self’s yet once again in a big game! Stop calling Boise weak for a Weak Schedule! If you want them to play big dogs, then tell the big dogs to step up and to stop being scared.

Harley Miller

October 3rd, 2009
3:37 am

The big teams are not “afraid” to play BSU, but it is in no way in their best interest to play BSU home and home. Bronco stadium only holds about 33,000 so the financial payout has to be small, Idaho is a very low population state so opening up recruiting grounds is not a reason (like a Fresno in California for instance), or a resort type setting (like Hawaii or Reno).

But home field is one of the biggest single advantages in college football. SEC teams for the most part choose to play far lesser OOC teams and make sure that they get the majority of their games at home for good reason.

BSU originally had Oregon (Home) and Oregon State (Away) both scheduled for this year to go along with Tulsa (Away) who was good last year, Miami of Ohio (Home) which was scheduled when they had Rothlisberger and were good, and Bowling Green (Away) which was scheduled when they had Omar Jacobs and they were good.

Bowling Green and Miami of Ohio tanked, but that’s not BSU’s fault. OSU dropped the game and rescheduled in a later year to accommodate another game, (1AA Cal Davis replaced OSU on the schedule at short notice to add a 1 and done extra home game like the SEC does) and that is not BSU’s fault. Next year BSU has both Virginia Tech (In DC) and Oregon State (Home) on the schedule. BSU is improving their schedule while still seeking to keep at least 1/2 of their games as home games.

Tom

October 3rd, 2009
12:23 pm

For those of you stuck on Boise’s loss to Georgia in 2005, I guess unlike the bulldoggies the players off the BSU team are no longer there as they have graduated. Something maybe ya’ll aren’t familiar with at uga. Different team different coach and would be a different outcome this time. It’s all about $$$$$$$. Follow the $$$$$$$.

Tom

October 3rd, 2009
12:55 pm

TrueCrimson…didn’t you’re beloved tidybowls get their collective a**es
handed to them by Utah last year. I know..Iknow..you “big boys” always have the AQ excuses to fall back on. Utah’s super bowl, let down for us to be in the sugar, they’d only win 1 outa 10 times.. and on and on. Boise has a long long tradition of winning at every level they have played. The only scam that’s being run is the scam the big 6 run to hoard all the money for themselves. Don’t worry, if Boise runs the table this year I’m sure they’ll tweek the system again to make sure another non aq team ever starts out ranked as high as the Broncos were this year. Let’s penelize them 20 spots for just being in th WAC.

flashypaws

October 3rd, 2009
2:34 pm

boise has as good a team as any country.

we count 8-10 future nfl’ers on the roster atm. and the team is all sophomores. we’ll lose wilson and brockel to the nfl this season, but thats about it. pretty much the whole team comes back for ‘10 and ‘11. (including future heisman winner kellen moore)

you can dis bsu all you want. dont care. i dont think for one second you’ve actually seen bsu play.

the only team in the country that can hang with bsu on a neutral field is florida. period.

laugh all you want. bsu will just keep building it’s little dynasty, and just keep being the best program in college football today.

nobody in boise really expects to see the broncos in a nc game. not unless we are 38-0 at the end of ‘11. (dont laugh. it could happen. like a 20% chance or so.)

the bcs homers better pray we dont make it to the nc game. cuz if we make it, we’ll sure as hell win it.

flashypaws

October 3rd, 2009
2:37 pm

whoops… make that 41-0 at the end of 2011. forgot to count bowl games.

any sec teams have to win 41 straight to get to a NC game? didnt think so. so quit your bitchin.

mike lord

October 7th, 2009
9:55 pm

Wow, what would we all blog about if a playoff system happened? Just like cell phones I wonder how we functioned without them. What did I do when Boise State won the national title in 1980? (Div 1AA). ENJOY THE RIDE!! We probably won’t know what to talk about if we do finally get a playoff system. Or maybe we might talk about coaching-injuries-strategy-momentum-heart, etc.. Or when you finally go camping after years of staying in the city and it takes you a couple of hours to realize what the true experience was really about in the first place. Let’s hope we can go camping again soon….

Tim

October 12th, 2009
1:26 am

To: Every smack talker out there about small schools

Just because your a big school in the sec doesn’t mean a thing. You leave all of that bs off of the field and let the game begin. All of this speculation and talk is just that “talk”. give them a shot at what Boise State deserves. Lets see if they have what it takes, I think they would do okay, win…maybe…prove themselves most likely. Don’t forget they have mostly sophmores on their squad and like what 6 seniors!! If not this year, the next and the year after that as well!!!

Jason

October 15th, 2009
5:53 am

A few years ago Boise went 16-0 and ended up being ranked 5th at the end of the season. They beat every team they played EVEN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS that year. It hurts my brain to think how bad this system is that a team can go undeafeted and still get ranked below 4 teams that all had worse records and played fewer games.

League play

October 19th, 2009
10:01 am

OK Gents,
I live in Boise and am naturally a fan, however, I’m not saying they should be allowed a shot at the title no matter what. Everybody pretty much agrees that the system as it is just simply sucks, favoring some teams because of their name while dissing others that play better but aren’t one of the power house teams.

How about this, split the entire nation into four sections, within the section there are leagues with 10-12 teams each. At the end of every season the last placed team of one league will be downgraded into the league below, whereas the winner of the lower league gets moved up. The winners of the 4 top leagues (or maybe even number 1 and 2) are thrown into playoffs which in essence lead to a national championship game.

If an underdog team like Boise State manages to work its way up through the leagues and eventually beat an Alabama, USC of Florida, who could seriously still argue that they didn’t deserve it. It’s the same everywhere in life, you work your way up through the ranks until you make it to the top, until somebody better knocks you down.

One last thing, all you nay sayers on here, tell your team to play BSU (twice, @ home and on the road), and then we’ll talk again. I’m not saying Boise’s going to beat anybody, but at least we’ll know for sure. Right now we’re all just guessing anyway, so long everybody….

Dale

October 21st, 2009
2:16 am

I’ve been seeing and offering the same ol argument every season about the little guys getting a shot. Step back people. Ask yourself what the heck a playoff is. It is a system to allow teams that do not play each other to determine which one is better. If there wasn’t such a thing as a ‘playoff’, it would be invented to solve the problem faced with FBS – many teams from disparate conferences. Playoffs really are not defined as ’sec money grabs’. Their entire existence meaning and purpose in our world is to settle questions like is the WAC champion better than the ACC champ, etc. jeeze.

Sam

October 24th, 2009
2:53 pm

Time for a dose of reality:

During the Boise St. game last week, the WAC conference official kind of slipped and admitted that Boise St.’s schedule is “creative scheduling”… that is: enough to make sure they win every game, and still have a big enough win in there to make people talk about the school and conference.”

Folks, the whole thing is a publicity stunt. Boise St, doesn’t even WANT a shot at the championship, because THEY KNOW how bad it would be, and that people would stop talking about their school.

It’s very smart, really, they are gaming the very system that they are using to drum up publicity for their school.

Plain and simple… if they’re so good… if they really wanted a shot, why don’t they add some heavy hitters? Why not?

Justin

October 25th, 2009
2:32 am

maybe when the BCS gets sued again — this time for anti-trust relative items they’ll change their position and dinosaurs like this sort of prejudice logic will die.

Justin

October 25th, 2009
2:36 am

And to response to Sam above — BSU isn’t able to contract others. You think BSU wouldn’t love to play USC or Texas? That is a lot of money coming into Boise.

A) Most contracts are written in the stance that — USC won’t travel anywhere same with Texas, Florida, and other “heavy hitters” the “little guy” has to travel to their stadium.

B) Secondly, most “heavy hitters” won’t even offer to play BSU because the fear of losing is too great. Look what happened to Oregon. USC is totally into playing U of I when they are the worst in the WAC though. =/

Jim

October 25th, 2009
10:36 am

A bit late on finding this but let me tell you where you messed up. Just like many other BCS apologists you forgot about which games are on the road. See most of those games would be home games for an AQ team but two of the higher ranked games are on the road. Tulsa and Fresno State are thougher to beat on the road than playing a Michigan or Clemson at home. Any computer ranking that takes into account home and road games and rewards accordingly will currently have Boise State in the top 5 and deservedly so.

Donald W. Peebles

November 2nd, 2009
7:45 pm

We will never know if you are correct, because an unbeaten team from a non-BCS conference will never get the opportunity to prove otherwise. Here is how biases work;
Boise gets beat 41-13 bt Georgia and people conclude that Boise is an inferior program
Georgia gets beat by Florida 41-7 and people just say Georgia is having a down year
Subtle differences are ingrained in sports commentators, who project these biases to their listeners.
Mid-major schools can’t overcome such ignorant bias, even when they just might be fielding the best team in the country.

Uncle Ricco

November 7th, 2009
11:45 am

I have come up with what I believe to be a pretty good system for the BCS to stay intact, the bowls stay in place and have an eight team playoff, I would like your input Tony. I will use this year as an example. Their are a few adjustments that have to be made, but nothing in my estimation that would be too difficult. First, add the Cotton Bowl as a fifth BCS bowl game, play it at Jerry’s new stadium. This gives you the Cotton, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, Rose and BCS Championship games as BCS bowls. Let the season end as usual and have the final BCS standings come out. The top 8 teams are your playoff teams. Let the lower tier bowls make their selections as usual. Now the twist, since one of the current BCS games actually gets two games (this year Pasadena gets the Rose and BCS games), let ALL the game sites that are not hosting the BCS Championship have an extra game to be played mid December, these would be your four quarterfinal games. Have BCS #1 vs #8, etc. The four losers of these games are guaranteed a spot in four of the BCS games against four at large teams. The four winners play a semifinal a week later at sites to be determined (I know this would be a problem, but I am thinking maybe the Chick-fil-A bowl/Holiday Bowl). The winners of this game play in the BCS Championship, the losers play in the last BCS bowl game left. So using this year as an example, the losing semifinal teams would play in the Rose Bowl, the winners in the BCS championship game. Your four losing quarterfinalist each get a spot in the Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta & Orange against at large teams. I know this will probably never happen, but I know I would love it and unless I am way off, it seems this would be feasible and very profitable for the powers that be and the host cities economies, along with not doing away with the bowl system. Your thoughts??

aerospacejit

November 7th, 2009
7:59 pm

Give me a break, Boise St is a good football team but cannot be considered for a BCS championship with their schedule. Take the SEC, Florida and Alabama if undefeated this year should be able to play for the national championship, instead they will play for the SEC championship and only the winner will go on to the big game. Even if they are the only two undefeated teams in the top 5, only the winner will get the chance to win it all.
To me, that is a much more legitimate argument than a Boise St run for the BCS Championship. These weak conferences will never award their teams with this type of opportunity unless the rules change allowing them to play at least two games per season against good teams in stronger conferences. Unfortunately, teams like Georgia, Florida, Texas, Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Alabamba, etc, etc, dont want to play a team like this and they dont have to.
If Boise St feels they have a solid football program that will continue to grow, they need to join a real conference. I know it is much easier said than done but it is the only way they will be taken seriously. Perhaps if there were a playoff system in place teams like Boise St would have an opportunity to play their way to the top by beating the best. Until then they will just have to stand proud and appreciate the opportunities that come their way.

Aero

PT

November 24th, 2009
12:57 pm

KC in Athens is an idiot. No one complains in the NFL because they all play the same teams. If Boise Smurphs played the same teams as an SEC, Big 12, Pac-10 or even MWC team then they would never have a chance at the BCS. Boise State should be grateful that they even have a chance at the BCS. Teams that have a strong schedule and go undefeated are the only teams that should complain about not playing in a NC. A playoff wouldn’t make Boise State better, it would embarass them and expose how awful they really are! Good luck against the Nevada Wolf pack for another WAC or I mean WAC’D OUT title. Supriseling Nevead went 0-3 before playing conference games. SHOCKER!

Roger

November 29th, 2009
11:05 pm

I think that since Boise St. has a strength of schedule (92 out 120) that is in the bottom half of all teams they should have a cap of #3. TCU is 57 out 120, therefore it has a schedule that barely qualifies it for the championship game.

Nick

November 30th, 2009
8:28 am

Boise state should play because they won against oregon and oregon won against usc who everybody thought that they will be a top 3 team. so boise deserves o play or the system should be changed and have an elimination championship with the top 12 teams playin eachother.

Nick

November 30th, 2009
8:34 am

Ai pt u’re an idiot u’re highly sec confrence isn’t that good compered to boise alone. if usc would play boise they would get their ass handed to them and so would many more teams. they win every game with class and a lot of pints diffrence. the system is wrong and it needs to be changed. they should have a system like the champions ligue with groop stages and elimination stages. That would be much more entertainig and more accurate on who is the best and there is proof it works just look at the champions league.

BambiB

November 30th, 2009
7:29 pm

Yes, you are wrong.

While it’s popular for advocates of the “Blessed Conference System” to point to “strength of schedule”, when are those playing “stronger” schedules going to be held to account for “weakness of losses”? If Ohio State loses to PURDUE, are they really a top 25 team? (Answer: No!) If USC drops a game to Washington, are they a top-25 team? (Heck NO!)

I propose a new rule: Any team that loses to a team that is not ranked in the top-25 during the course of the year MUST YIELD its BCS berth (if any) to teams from any conference who have no such “weak losses”. So, if Ohio State loses to Purdue, and Purdue was never ranked during the year, and a Bowling Green team goes undefeated, Bowling Green goes to a BCS bowl and Ohio State can go to hell.

That would make “strength of schedule” actually mean something besides, “You can’t beat us because we REFUSE to play you!”

Yes, as far as I know, Boise State’s challenge to the Blessed Conferences has gone unanswered. The Broncos are willing to play anyone, anywhere. The Gators, the Tide, the Longhorns all cower in fear. They will not risk losing to Boise State.

Nick

December 2nd, 2009
8:30 am

I partialy agree with you i do believe that something needs to be done beacuse i’m not saying that Boise is the best but we will never know so a change needs to be made. they should make an elimination championship between the top 20 colleges in he BCS.

Mark

January 30th, 2010
2:07 am

I love how people talk of their soft schedule yet they still beat BCS ranked teams. Ha Ha denial isn’t it great?

Chill Dogg

September 2nd, 2010
4:20 pm

Some of the comments about the Utah-Alabama bowl game are a bit overblown. Alabama came out flat, after having lost the SEC championship game, and turned the ball over. When they got going, they cut the score to 21-17 in the early 3rd quarter. With 2 of their best offensive linemen out, Bama didn’t run as well as usual, and settled for a few long FG attempts, 2 of which were missed. Had they made a few more 1st downs on some of the 3rd and short plays, it would have been a lot closer and they might have pulled it out. BSU played very well, but it’s one thing preparing for a month for a game vs. playing 8 SEC teams throughout a season.