Why Boise State can’t play for the BCS championship

Everyone loves a Cinderella story, especially in sports. We love to see the underdog prevail. It brings us to tears when the little guy beats the big guy.

But having said all that you have to understand that, barring a total collapse of the major conferences, there is no way—at least no logical way–that No. 5 Boise State can play for the national championship.

The Broncos, who gave college football one of its most enduring memories when it beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl a couple of years ago, are ranked No. 5 in both this week’s USA Today Coaches poll and the first Harris Interactive poll. Those are the two human polls that—along with the average of several computer polls—make up the BCS Standings, which will be released for the first time on Oct. 18. On Dec. 6 the finally standings will be released and the top two teams in those standings will play for the BCS national championship on Jan. 8 in Pasadena, Calif.

There has been some discussion about what would happen if the Broncos went 13-0 (they play an extra game because they go to Hawaii this season) and the winners of the Big Boy conferences all have one loss. After what happened to Utah last season (the Utes went undefeated and didn’t get a sniff at the national title), would the voters in the human polls decide that it was time to give a little guy at shot and see what he could do in the big game?

 

They can’t. Not if they are doing their homework.

Here are the 12 Division I-A teams on the Boise State schedule for 2009. The Broncos have a 13th game against UC-Davis, a Division I-AA team. The teams are listed in order of ranking from a poll on CBSSports.com which ranks all the Division I-A teams 1-120.

 

Oregon—21

Tulsa—67

Fresno State—69

La. Tech–76

Hawaii—79

Bowling Green—80

Idaho—83

Nevada—89

New Mexico State—103

San Jose State—107

Utah State—114

Miami (Ohio)—118

 

The Broncos have a quality win against Oregon, which looks even better since the Ducks beat California so decisively.

But after that, here are the cold, hard facts. Eleven of the 12 Division I-A teams on the Boise State schedule are rated 67 or worse.

Of those 11 teams, four are rated 103 or worse. To put it another way, there are 18 college football teams that rank 103 or worse. Boise State plays four of them.

If Boise State goes 13-0 this season I have no problem with the Broncos getting to one of the BCS Bowls. But I will say this.  Based on the schedules, Houston and TCU look like they would prevail over Boise State as the lone BCS Buster from the Coalition conferences.

 

Houston (3-0), ranked 15 and 13 in the human polls,  already has wins over Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Cougars of Kevin Sumlin could pick up another quality non-conference win next week at Mississippi State.

 

TCU (3-0), ranked 10 and 11 in the human polls, has gone on the road and won at Virginia and Clemson from the ACC. The Horned Frogs play in the Mountain West Conference, which is the best of the Coalition.

 

The bottom line is this: If there is only one spot in the BCS championship game available and it’s between a 13-0 Boise and a one-loss champ of the SEC, Big 12, Pac-10, or maybe even Big Ten, it has to go to the latter. Those conferences are simply playing a different level of football.

 

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Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:08 am

This is not the Boise state team that lost to GA in 05, not even the same coach.
This is not the Boise state team that beat OK in 06, I think they are better, but then so are a lot of teams.
Do I think they will get a chance in the NCG even if all the BCS schools have two losses or more and BSU is undefeated, no way and that is just sad.

oleballfan

September 29th, 2009
10:12 am

Enter your comments here
Boise State and TCU (or Houston), IF UNDEFEATED at the end of regular season, should play a post-season game for a BCS play-in. Then let the chips fall where they may.

These mid-majors are living off the land of the Bama’s, UGAs, LSUs, FLAs, Ohio States, USCs, OUs, Texas’s,NDs, Michigans, Miamis, FSUs of the CFB-world. These are the teams that have made CFB the great sport that it is today.

NOT the Boise’s, Utah’s and the wannabee mid-majors. The mid-majors must pay their dues to earn their way into the BCS games. PLAY more than 1 or 2 games vs credible opponents.

dawgday

September 29th, 2009
10:14 am

Maybe we should hope for a Boise St./Houston BCS NC matchup. The TV ratings alone would force a playoff system.

Here’s what you do Boise — dump the smurf turf, grab Utah or BYU, join the Pac 10 and make it the PAC 12 with two divisions and a Conf. championship game. There, that was easy.

Anthony

September 29th, 2009
10:15 am

No, I was referring to a boring national title game. So following your SEC homer logic, Utah did not play in a real BCS football game just last year?

Anonymous

September 29th, 2009
10:16 am

Hey BruceDawg,

Were you compelled to be a GA fan because you’re an a$$hole, or did being a GA fan turn you into one?

Jus’ askin’

SEC FANATIC

September 29th, 2009
10:16 am

BruceDawg, or whoever. Please get off Tebow. You are really showing your obsession. And your ignorance and lack of class. Geez, talk about a bad case of Gator envy!! If you are truly a “Dawg” fan, believe me, you’ve got alot more things to worry about this weekend than Tim Tebow. Currently, you are in a neck and neck race with “m” for the biggest idiot on this blog. Have a nice day, and don’t trip on your way out…

Mr. BCS

September 29th, 2009
10:21 am

I’m trying to pronounce the word, but I just can’t make myself say it…pla…playo…playoff!

jack

September 29th, 2009
10:22 am

How many games have you watched B.S.U play. It should be about how good a team is , not just who they have a chance to play. The players have no choice over who they play, but they do chose how hard to work and how good to be.
So if you want to argue they should not be there, try using some actual thought instead of repeating the same old junk. I watch a lot of football, because I enjoy football, and football is what happens on the field, not from some lazy reporter repeating the same old argument for the 900 time.
The best team should be there, and Boise is a very good football team, no matter who they play. I would bet you have watched very little of b.s.u play, yet you feel you should give an opinion on them.

Mr. BCS

September 29th, 2009
10:24 am

I am trying to pronounce the word, but can’t make myself say it…pla…playo….playoff!

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
10:31 am

Hey SEC Fanatic- no dude- you win that hands down Jerkoff

Tom

September 29th, 2009
10:31 am

First of all Boise’s State’s schedule is a joke. They could certainly play better competition but they choose not to. Is it about ratings… of course that’s why Macon, Ga doesn’t have a NFL team. But BS can’t use the argument that they are undefeated and should have a chance to play in the BCS champsionship game. They put themselves in this situation and now want to make themselves out as victims….I call BS on BS.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:32 am

The player have no choice over who they play but they did have a choice of what school to play for. If you want a national title man up and play a ntional title schedule, don’t send your senator crying to the press wasting tax payer money on special hearings. Also yes I stayed home on a Friday night and watched Fresno play Boise.

TRoweBronco

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Hey robert, “…Boise State…waxed last year by TCU…”? I would hardly call a 17-16 decision a “waxing.” Admittedly, TCU was the better team last year, especially their defense (dang!), but come on man, be realistic, that game could have gone either way.

Boise State started out ranked higher than the other non-AQ teams this year due to their returning roster. They were mostly Freshman and Soph’s last year, and here’s the bad news for all you Boise State haters, the returning roster next year is 20 of 22 starters! I expect that if you hate Boise State this year, you’re in for a really miserable 2010 college football season.

Here’s my prediction for ‘09 – ‘10: Boise St. wins out (13-0), gets left out of the NC, but wins their BSC bowl game in typical BSU exhilarating fashion (please God though not OU again–for Bob Stoops sakes! His heart just can’t take another bowl loss). The NC game between Florida and Texas is another one-sided drab affair, and everybody but SEC fans are left wondering, “what if?” The 2010 pre-season pollsters cannot deny Boise a position in the top 10 for fear of extradition. Boise St. runs the table (that’ll be two straight undefeated seasons), including two “quality road wins” over VA-Tec and Oregon State. All the haters are overwhelmed and finally denied inducing much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands. Little ‘ol Boise State is finally granted the opportunity to play in the 2010 NC game. The glass ceiling is shattered, the BCS is finally exposed for all its wickedness, Congress passes the ‘BSU rule,’ a playoff system is enacted, birds sing, and we all live happily ever after! Amen.

Elliot Garcia

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Nobody is better than Florida! Get over it!

Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

Here is an idea. To play in the BCS you must win your conference, how about that as a way to prove you belong.

LoqueID

September 29th, 2009
10:33 am

| “Those conferences are simply playing a different level of football.”

Yes, they play in different conference with teams playing on a higher level. However, Boise State plays the SAME level of football as those teams, just against inferior teams. Florida is still ranked #1 even though their OOC schedule remains significantly weak… This is because of the quality of their football team. The same should be considered for Boise when considering them vs. a Houston or TCU. Boise State just has the better all-around team. Is that debatable? Sure. But you can’t shove someone else ahead because of a one-season resume if you’re not doing it to everyone else

BruceDawg

September 29th, 2009
10:36 am

Anonymous….naw dude- I’m from Florida- where they all live

Michael

September 29th, 2009
10:39 am

I totally agree man, UGA has a better non-conference schedule.. not to mention, we play in.. umm the SEC?

Brew

September 29th, 2009
10:42 am

Conferences like the Mtn. West and the Pac 10 won’t allow Boise St. in. BSU would be at worst third in the Pac 10 this year and could win the MWC. The only team who might, might be better in the Big East is Cincinnati. They could be right in the hunt in the Big Ten (11) given how weak that conference looks.
Face it, after the Fiesta Bowl, not many of the BCS teams have the guts to schedule Boise St. and even fewer would travel to play on their home turf.

Shane

September 29th, 2009
10:43 am

Bruce Dawg that was the funniest comment made to date! LMOA!!!!!!!!!
Tebow got JACKEP UP!!!!!!

Jason

September 29th, 2009
10:46 am

People keep saying the WAC isn’t as tough as the SEC or even the ACC. Maybe it’s not. But top to bottom do you think the Big East is better? Do you think the Big Ten is better this year? Sure doesn’t seem like it. Yet, both of those conferences have a seat at the BCS table. It’s arbitrary. BCS should play a tougher schedule. I’m sure UGA and Tech and Miami and Florida and Notre Dame would be thrilled to play a home-and-home with Boise State. Right? No, of course not. BSU came to Athens, but never would the Dawgs go to Boise. It’s simply unthinkable. But why not? A lot of the BCS schools will occasionally schedule a non-conference team like Boise State, but there absolutely won’t be a return trip. It’s arrogance and money. It has nothing to do with the quality of football.

How about this. A 16-team playoff. The conference champion (however the conference decides, championship game, regular-season champ, whatever) from each of the 11 conferences plus 5 at-large bids determined by either polls or a committee or hell, voting online. Then seed them the same way. At least then the argument would be over the No. 15 and 16 teams. Not over 1 and 2.

It’s just absurd that going into the season only teams from 5 pre-selected conferences have any chance of being national champions. The rest of the teams are not allowed in. I guess that’s why they call it the BCS championship. It’s not a national champion, it’s the supposed best team from among 5 pre-selected conferences. That’s all.

RedTornado

September 29th, 2009
10:46 am

to play the what if game that you’re playing TB. What if you the top 2 teams in the country have 2 losses , is that possible? I mean a 2 loss SEC team could win the SEC championship game and possibly put them in the NC game.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:49 am

Brew, Fresno played USC down to the wire in the middle of their run and I see them playing BCS schools. Boise St can do the same.

Mark, Here is an idea. To play in the BCS you must win your conference, how about that as a way to prove you belong.

Does winning the Big10, ACC without any big OOC games prove you belong? Based on the Big10’s and ACC’s record in BCS bowls I would say not. If they do not qualify the WAC surely does not. The MWC should be a BCS conf and the ACC or Big East dropped.

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2009
10:50 am

BruceDawg:
War Eagle:
Shane:

Clearly, anonymity enables juvenile behavior.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
10:55 am

Jason, The 16 team playoff turns CFB into another boring sport which is not discussed in the offseason locval rivals are not viewed nation wide with any great attention and matchups like VT/Bama, USC/OSU, OU/Miami etc go away.

I posted a WSJ when Tony was writing about playoffs in the spring the NCAA basketball ratings fall as the tournament increases and not just for the regular season.

The mid majors don’t need to be included in the BCS, they need their own division and the BCS schools need to go back to 90s scholarship levels.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
10:55 am

All you dawg fans hating on the Ohio State buckeyes. You are quite a funny bunch. You take pride in thumping your chest over the fact that they have been in Three NC games and lost two in the last 7 years. Now since the Dawgs are so much better…how many times have they been to a NC game? I mean played in the games not watched from the stands? Oh that’s right they have not been there in the modern era. You @ssclowns are funny. Not only is your team a joke and gets blown out regularly by some SEC, but you have the nerve to make jokes about tOSU. Listen girls when you get to our level come and talk to me. Other wise STFU.
Back to the topic. Tony you are right:

Al

September 29th, 2009
10:56 am

You are most definitely wrong. Go soak your head.

Kendawg

September 29th, 2009
10:59 am

A few years ago, Boise State came to Athens. The media was excited. All I heard the week before the game was how Boise was going to upset the Dawgs. Well, UGA ran them out of the stadium. That game proved that if Boise played an SEC schedule, they would be no better than a middle-of-the-pack team. The only way Boise deserves a shot at the NC is in a plyoff system, preferably 16 teams.

Mark

September 29th, 2009
10:59 am

Otto,
An undefeted conf champ should not be excluded so a second tem from any conf gets in the BCS, yes even the SEC.

All I'm Saying Is...

September 29th, 2009
11:00 am

Of course you are right, Tony, but since when has logic ever been the prevailing sentiment in the topsy-turvy world of college football.

The BCS improved the circus that exists for determining the best team in the country but without a playoff there is always room for debate.

I appreciate the facts that you have lined up regarding Boise State’s weak schedule and, hopefully, this will

(a) inoculate the BCS from members of Congress who might try to lobby for their inclusion in a national championship game

(b) educate your brethren in the media so they won’t start crying foul about Boise State being ‘left out’ of a national championship game

and

(c) spur BSU to do whatever is possible to play a tougher schedule by getting games with better quality out of conference opponents — which can be done if they are willing to travel and play one of the ‘big boys’ on the road in their house (that’s what Bobby Bowden had to do and did do — playing Nebraska when they were a monster at their place — to elevate the FSU program back in the late 70s and early 80s well prior to their joining the ACC)

Several have said it on this blog and they are right: BSU, Utah, etc. are the beneficiaries of the BCS given how weak their conference opponents are in that they can play their way into a bowl game with a huge payout. With that situation (which came about due to pressure from Congress) now comes the responsibility of toughening their schedule if they also want to have the opportunity to play for the national title.

southga

September 29th, 2009
11:00 am

Simple playoff format: 8 teams, which adds two extra games for two teams(the championship game), and one extra game for two other teams(the final four)..eight teams are the CONFERENCE champs of the 6 BCS conferences (NO at-large), and the final two spots are decided by a play-in system….the Mountain West conf. champ and WAC champs play for one play-in spot, and the MAC and Conf. USA champs play for the other play-in spot……..all inclusive, fair, cut and dry, and does not depend on polls, opinions, etc…….an added bonus to this format is that EVERYONE can schedule marquis/powerhouse non-conference opponents during the season, because losing those games would not hurt you as long as you win your conference…………for what it’s worth….by the way Tony, how does Penn State’s schedule rank??

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:01 am

JohhnyBoy, look at UGA’s record against the Big10 UGA would have no problem making the title game if they played in the Big10. How is OSU’s record against the teams UGA play every week?

Saint Nick

September 29th, 2009
11:02 am

M,

Please STFU!!!!!!!!!!! You sit their at your spongebob computer and run your mouth about this and that and not EVER making sense. You do realize that Bama beat VT by ten points, VT beatdown Miami, that in turn KILLED your beloved jackets. And your team and conference is great…NOT!!!!! The only reason you run your mouth about a playoff is that is the only way an ACC team will ever get a sniff of a BCS championship!!!!!! LOL

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2009
11:03 am

Eric, you too.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

SouthGa, the reason UGA and others such as Texas and OSU play those marquis matchups is to be factored into BCS title game. If they just have to win their conf their is no need to play those big OOC games. UGA started the schedule after Auburn ‘04 after watching a weak OOC get left out.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

I really hate going off topic but you hicks can’t seem to stay on course so…well I have to set you straight.
I have a question for you Dawgs, this is sec country yet I can’t go to a discussion where the Ohio State Buckeyes are not brought into the conversation. Why? You folks are way to obsessed with our team. Let me guess…an inferiority complex? Yes that is what I thought. Tell me how many of you haters out there could even walk on to the program? Just as I thought. Keep thumping those chest your delusions are growing.

Mark

September 29th, 2009
11:04 am

southga, you need to go to 16 teams to include all conf champs.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:05 am

M still posts in here?

His Ramblin has turned into white noise for me.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:06 am

Otto
bring them on.

boots

September 29th, 2009
11:07 am

Tony, whatever you think is not really important. What Tim Tebow thinks is what matters. He is the deity of college football, and Kirk Herbstreet is his priest. Whatever the two of these guys thinks will decide things. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:07 am

JOhnnyboy, you trust your head coach that couldn’t even walk on to your Buckeye team to lead them. What does ability to play have to do with it?

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:09 am

Otto

The key is “they play every week”, don’t you think this makes a difference? Once you understand a team and their tendency it makes for a more level playing field.

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:09 am

Jonny, I think we have and frankly it is getting old, seeing OSU fall to SEC teams and now Texas. The SEC and Big12 are clearly out front in the CFB world.

Boise Dawg

September 29th, 2009
11:11 am

Yes I agree, under the current system it is tough for Boise St. to have an agrument for the BCS championship based on their weak schedule. They could schedule tougher, but that would mean less home games for their local fans… since nobody from the major conferences wants to travel to Boise. They have had some luck getting Oregon and Oregon St. to come to Idaho, but other than that?

They are playing Virginia Tech next season in D.C. I think… but they need to find at least one more major BCS school to play each year.

I really think this Boise St. team is a legit top 10 team… not sure about top 5 though. If they go undefeated they will deserve a BCS bid. The conference bowl alliances is what is killing Boise St. If they don’t get a BCS bid their limited to about 2 lower tier bowl options… that is what stinks about the system for the non BCS teams.

Tampa Coach

September 29th, 2009
11:11 am

You are 100% right…I can not believe we have to deal with this every year. Everyone might want to pay attention to USF…they are going to clearly win the Big East and may go undefeated as well. They have the best front four in the country.

slim jim

September 29th, 2009
11:12 am

right on Tony,

Boise cant help that they are in the WAC. But they could have scheduled another BCS conference team instead of Miami OH. I know PAC 10 schools shy away from scheduling BSU, but you could accept a game @ Ohio State or something.

Like the BCS or not, it forces Atheltic Departments to beef up the football program’s schedule

Otto

September 29th, 2009
11:12 am

Jonny, yes playing the best every week does tend to raise your level of play. Playing in a conf. that has passed its prime tends to lower it.

Jonnyboy

September 29th, 2009
11:14 am

Otto

Having the ability to play has everything to do with it. You have clowns on here thumping their chest acting like they are the ones beating the team. I find it interesting when people tell other fans that we beat your… or we could beat your… When some of these clowns could not start for a high school team.

ATL_LOVE

September 29th, 2009
11:15 am

PLAYOFFS?!!!!

War Eagle

September 29th, 2009
11:18 am

No way these second level BCS schools could stand to play a top division school each week like the SEC, Big 12, ACC, and Big 10 schools have to do in their conference schedules. Let them try, they make up their own schedules, try it, maybe play LSU, Ga. Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, USC, and throw in a few Dukes, Iowa’s, Texas Tech’s, and Arizona State’s. Let’s see how they do then? They could not get their kids up each week to play major competetion nor do they have the depth and quality of athletes to do so. Get real here, join a real conference and compete on their level week in and week out and see how you will do. I think they choose not to do this, they like to argure how good they are without playing much of a schedule. They do have a good ball club but not on the same level as OK, TX, AL, GA, USC, VA. Tech, Florida, and some others. They have to prove it week in and week out by playing the top competitors and they can do it with great consistency. Good Luck but they will never be my national champions.
War Eagle!