Saban has been a bargain for Alabama

 

When Nick Saban signed his unprecedented eight-year, $32 million contract to be the head coach at Alabama, I told some friends that there would come a day when that deal would look like a bargain.

That day, as it turns out, is today.

Saban just signed a three-year contract extension which, if he stays for its entirety, will keep him in Tuscaloosa through the 2017 season. That’s nine more years.

The contract extension should have been longer. In fact, the school should have offered him a lifetime deal.

I’m serious.

Here’s why: When Alabama was struggling to a 6-7 (2-6 SEC) finish in Mike Shula’s final season (2006), some of my Crimson Tide friends were simply dumbfounded. They simply did not understand why a school with Alabama’s tradition and resources, which are considerable, should be in this position.

And they had a point. It is tough to compete for the SEC championship every season because the league is so good and, with the 85-scholarship limit, programs are going to have some ups and downs from time to time.

But Alabama should never be BAD in the sport of football.

The reality is that as long as Nick Saban is the head coach, Alabama will never be bad. The Crimson Tide may not be at the top of the SEC West every single season, but this team will never embarrass its fans for not being competitive. And you can’t say that about a lot of football programs.

Yeah, Saban can be a bit of a control freak. He gets annoyed by the media’s obsession with minutiae which, of course, simply reflects the interest of the fan base. If you want to talk X’s and O’s and he has the time, Saban will talk all day. He loves to talk about football. It’s the warm and fuzzy stuff that he has no time for.

But, quite candidly, you have to be a control freak if you’re going to be the head coach at Alabama. Because, as I’ve said many times, Alabama’s greatest strength as a football program is also its greatest weakness:

The fans care so much.

For 25 years Alabama’s football spoke with only one voice and that was the familiar growl of Paul “Bear” Bryant (1958-82). Even when Alabama wasn’t winning, and that wasn’t often under Coach Bryant, there was no dissention because there was never any doubt about who was in charge.

It has taken Alabama 25 years since his death in 1983 to find another coach strong enough to hold the various factions of the Crimson Tide family together and keep everybody on task. Gene Stallings (1990-96) did it for a while, winning 70 games in even seasons.  But even he had to fight to exert control over the program and all of its moving parts.

As Saban prepares to bring Alabama to Atlanta to play Virginia Tech in Saturday’s Chick-fil-A College Kickoff, he is in TOTAL control of the Crimson Tide football program and virtually anything that comes into contact with it. Let’s assess what has happened since he arrived in Tuscaloosa in January of 2007:

**–Alabama has won the SEC’s West division and has played in the conference championship game.

**–Alabama started the 2008 season 12-0 and rose to the nation’s No. 1 ranking. Last December Alabama was one quarter away from playing for the national championship.

**–Alabama, despite losing its starting quarterback and three starters on the offensive line, is picked to win the SEC West and is in just about everybody’s preseason Top 10.

**–For the second year Saban has agreed to play in the Chick-fil-A College Kickoff, which is giving the program day-long national TV exposure and making further inroads to recruiting in the state of Georgia (much to the chagrin of the programs at Georgia and Georgia Tech).

**–An Auburn program that had beaten Alabama six straight times now has a new head coach and an uncertain future. Saban and his staff are pretty much in control of the state when it comes to recruiting.

And all that has happened in just two seasons.

The point is, Saban was hired at Alabama to accomplish two major tasks: To unite a fan base and to make the Crimson Tide relevant again on the national stage. Logically, a job like that should take several years. Saban did it in year No. 2.

Like him or not, you have to admit the man can coach. And if you pull for another SEC school, you have to admit that as long as Saban is in Tuscaloosa, the Crimson Tide will never be bad and most of the time will be very, very good.

That’s why Alabama officials have approved an $80 million expansion that will bring seating at Bryant-Denny Stadium from 92,138 to over 101,000, starting with the 2010 season. Is there any doubt that those seats, which include 36 luxury skyboxes, are going to be sold faster than you can say “Roll Tide?”

They will generate untold millions. That’s why if you’re a Crimson Tide fan, you better give this guy whatever he wants. He has been a bargain for your school.

 

 

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nuetral observer

September 1st, 2009
8:12 am

H-Back

September 1st, 2009
8:19 am

How old is Coach Saban now?

VolsnGoBlue

September 1st, 2009
8:20 am

only a hater can say anything negative about that mans passion, recruiting skills, and football coaching ability. As you can see I’m a vols fan (not tide) but I really respect saban

cffreak

September 1st, 2009
8:23 am

He’ll be 1-2 in the Iron Bowl after November 27th. Most overhyped coach in history.

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September 1st, 2009
8:23 am

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Bull Gator

September 1st, 2009
8:35 am

It has been impressive to watch Saban assemble a team that looks to compete year in and year out so quickly. However, last year’s success does not guarantee future success, especially when you have to compete with LSU every year just to win your division. Les Miles has been stockpiling talent on the bayou at an alarming rate. Last year’s AL team simply pushed people around at the line of scrimmage, which is something they won’t be able to do this year. I’m personally skeptical of the Tide this season, simply because they won’t have Andre Smith to lean on in critical situations. I’ve been saying for months that LSU is going to win the West, but they continue to get no love.

Thursday and Saturday are going to be big tests for the SEC. Ideally we walk away with 3 solid victories over NC opponents, but AL/VT is the only game I feel really confident about. And that’s only because Tyrod Taylor sucks as a QB. I think it’s going to be a defensive battle b/c both teams have very good defenses. Let’s hope UGA can sneak into Stillwater and pull out a win. And that the Ole Ball Coach still has some of the magic.

obscure reference

September 1st, 2009
8:37 am

That man, as mythical as you would have him appear, has had 1 good season at UA with no titles or trophies to show for it. Saban has never had back to back 9 win seasons…ever. Let’s wait until after this season before we hand him the “you are the greatest thing that ever happened to college football” award.

obscure reference

September 1st, 2009
8:42 am

already caught my mistake…never had back to back 10 win seasons. 13-1 and 9-3 at LSU.

m

September 1st, 2009
8:44 am

If Saban is worth all that…I wonder what Utah’s coach is worth after coming into the sec’s mecca, the Sugar Bowl…and stomping the bullshiiite out alabammmer?!?! Oooh that sec hype.

But one coach that Saban is worth more than is chan gomer gailey. chan gomer gailey is the worst toach in the history of the free world. He was as overhyped as the sec is….and he couldn’t live up to the hype…just like the sec doesn’t live up to it either.

Thanks to God and Greyhound, chan gomer gailey is gone forever. Every Tech fan and Tech website that ever supported or defended chan gomer gailey…you suck as bad as he does. It certainly didn’t take Kansas City six long sorry years to correct their mistake in hiring him.

Paul Johnson is the real deal…it is going to be fun to watch. If Tony Barnyard would take his sec blinders off, he would realize it to.

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Johnny Test

September 1st, 2009
9:01 am

I see the infamous M has flown in from the island of LOBOTOMY and puked up the same putrid inane remarks. Talk about a mental case.

Saban is an excellent coach and I agree that as long as he is at Alabama they are going to be in the hunt for the SEC title and top 10 rankings. I think Alabama will dominate the west because I think Wes Miles is the most over rated coach in the SEC. That said, I loved the absolute ass kicking they gave the “we have arrived” bumblebees.

Bama Aaron

September 1st, 2009
9:01 am

I read alot of jealously from the comments posted so far. We have him and you wish you had someone as dedicated and as good. Tony’s right he’s a bargain at the price we got him and still would be for quite a bit more money.
Looking forward to another great year starting this saturday night. ROLL TIDE ROLL!

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
9:01 am

Nick Saban is the best thing to happen to Alabama football in the last 17 seasons. No, he’s not perfect; but he gets results. Historically, he has had consistency issues; win 10 or 11 games one season, win 8 the next. Given the cycles of on-the-field success followed by graduation and early NFL defections, that may say more about the state of the college game than Nick Saban’s coaching abilities. (I’ll let the LSU and Bama fans chime in on this point.) In all events, he’s one of the handful of college coaches at the top of the game, and, given time, he will win SEC championships.

As for the wishful thinking by Tide opponents that he is soon to depart for Notre Dame, Michigan, West Virginia, wherever . . . it’s just that: wishful thinking. Saban is the head coach of one of the 5 or 6 most highly visible Division I programs. He is one of the three or four highest paid college coaches. His daughter is an Alabama undergraduate, and he has just committed to creating a $1 million scholarship fund in Tuscaloosa, with annual $100,000 contributions over 10 years. He is 57 years old. His most recent contract extension has him committed to the Tide for another 9 seasons (can anyone afford to walk away from $36 million?). These facts would seem to indicate Saban isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

So, let the man coach. His on-the-field record will speak for itself soon enough. If his 2009 team finished first or second in the SEC West, after all of the post-2008 losses to the NFL, he will have firmly cemented himself with the fans and administration. If he steers his program away from NCAA violations over his tenure and periodically delivers SEC championships, he may have the potential to become the 2nd most significant coach in the school’s history.

So, let the man coach. The rest will take care of itself, soon enough.

Spike

September 1st, 2009
9:09 am

A great college coach, to be sure. Mediocre at best in the NFL. As a big Dolophins fan don’t get me started on Nick “I am not going to Alabama” Saban.

SimpleDawg

September 1st, 2009
9:10 am

Hey m….. Bite one. You have a serious Chan Gailey problem….was he mean to you at some point in your pathetic past?

Nick Satan is certainly a great football coach, and Bama is definitely reaping the benefits. The question is….. How long until he gets bored winning 10 games each year and Whipping Aubarn, and decides he wants to go somewhere else for even more money and adulation.

The Goldie Domers should could use him in South Bendover….only, I’m not sure his vocabulary would wear well with the Fish Eaters. They’d have to get ear plugs for TD Jesus.

Spike

September 1st, 2009
9:11 am

M if you all are so damn smart, why did ya’ll hire the worst coach on the planet, according to you, in the first place?

Excusez-moi

September 1st, 2009
9:12 am

Les Miles overrated? He won the NC in 2007, when was the last time the mutts won something?

'Bama 1

September 1st, 2009
9:17 am

After reading all the blogs here, it sounds to me like everyone else that is not an Alabama fan is just pissed off that they don’t have Nick Saban for a coach!

Da truth

September 1st, 2009
9:19 am

Coach Saban is the best organizational leader in the NCAA. He also knows a little about defence!!!!

Joe

September 1st, 2009
9:20 am

Saban is a very, very good coach. Lots of them in the SEC. Fat and Tubs leaving last year helps balance things a little, now AU and Ufk will have 4-5 year down cycles.

I like LSU in the West. Bama will miss those tight ends a lot. Guys were road graders.

Slimpickens

September 1st, 2009
9:21 am

Did Bama play in the Sugar Bowl last year? I recall, Utah in a close one….

Miles

September 1st, 2009
9:22 am

Saban…a pretty damn good coach!

Joe

September 1st, 2009
9:23 am

Another thing that points to the stupidity of people from Alabama.

Just because another team does not love Saban, even points out that he is not really a great coach because he has never won back-to-back 10 games, does not mean that people are jealous or are sad that they do not have him.

There are lots of great coaches in the SEC, ACC and Big 12. I am pretty sure that Wake would rather have Jim Grobe than anyone else. Same with Gtu and Paul Johnson.

Please, I know it is against your nature Bama fans, but do not kowtow to stereotype and prove how stupid you are.

sact

September 1st, 2009
9:24 am

atlanta gator excellent post…you and others like you are why my second favorite team is the gators……you have no need to be jealous as so many others on here….hmmmm…m post always suck…..we got him, and he will be here till he no longer is coaching..RTR.

Slick Willard

September 1st, 2009
9:25 am

M, now that Chan Gailey has been fired as OC at Kansas City, I have it on good authority that he is negotiating with Paul Johnson to return to GT as an “advisor/associate head coach” . How ’bout them apples?

The Stig

September 1st, 2009
9:25 am

Keep on doubting Alabama, it’s great to be hated again

jjbamaman

September 1st, 2009
9:25 am

Thank you Tony, for telling the truth. I can understand the haters. They’re jealous. They don’t want to see Alabama back in contention. They’re still disgusted over the domination of the Coach Bryant years. As a Crimson Tide fan, I love it! Once again, we have a real leader! Coach Stallings was the only bright spot for seven years since 1983. We’ve had too many power-brokers at the University jockeying for position since then. They got in the way and managed to do a lot of damage with their bad decisions. Now we’re back on track with the right man in charge. He has great character and a competitive edge. The young men coached by him will be better citizens and know how to get the most out of themselves. He’s not the only great coach in this league. But he’s ours and we admire him! ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

Brian B.

September 1st, 2009
9:28 am

It is a mistake to make a long term commitment to Nick Saban. There is nothing in his professional resume to indicate stability, and Alabama fans go absolutely insane in any season that includes two or more losses. What happens when the Tide lose a couple of games ? When they lose to Auburn? Alabama fans are delighted with last season’s overachievement, but what happens when the Tide underachieve ? What happens when Jerry Jones of the Cowboys needs a new coach ? Saban may be a control freak, but he also has an ego as big as all outdoors. Combine a volatile, vagabond coach with a crazed fan base, and I seriously doubt that Nick Saban will be coaching the Crimson Tide in 2017.

Ted

September 1st, 2009
9:29 am

I’m sure Florida fans are OK “settling” for Meyer, USC fans have resigned themselves to “live” with Carroll and even OSU fans can stomach the thought of “enduring” with Tressel. And so on.

There are a lot of very good coaches out there. Saban is one of them. But the arrogance of Bama fans is the clear winner if they think that “everyone else” is “pissed” that their coach isn’t Saban.

jjbamaman

September 1st, 2009
9:31 am

Joe,

Obsession noted. So is your lack of knowledge. So in what state do you represent stupidity?

sact

September 1st, 2009
9:35 am

RTR. . . . IT IS NICE TO HAVE SO MUCH HATE! ESPECIALLY FROM THE BARNERS AND VOLLIES AND TO SEE THEIR PROGRAMS IN SUCH DISARAY , RTREnter your comments here

Jerry Jones Hires Saban?

September 1st, 2009
9:38 am

Brian B.

Do you really think Saban would return to the NFL?

Otto

September 1st, 2009
9:41 am

It is early to be singing Saban’s praise’s, Bama will give anyone an extension if they win 10 games (remember Shula). Saban hs never won 10 back to back lets see what he can do at Bama.

There is something that indicates stability on Saban’s resume, he always moves to a better job. Who will pay more, have better facilities, and create more of a legend than winning at Bama? Saban needs Bama as bad as Bama needs him.

Bamafan

September 1st, 2009
9:43 am

Saban is a very very good coach and like Tony said Bama is lucky to have him!! Just think if Nick Saban
had stayed at LSU and not gone to the NFL and become the Dolphins head coach Saban probably
would have won another national championship and several more SEC championships. When LSU
beat the Vols in the 01 sec championship game I said than watchout for the bengal tigers. Saban is
in the top ten of head coaches in college football and one other thing he players graduate from college at a high rate and really that is the most important thing about his programs!! ROLL TIDE FOLKS!!

'Bama 1

September 1st, 2009
9:44 am

Did i hit a nerve Joe? Did’nt see the nameof a team that you pulled for, or do you even know anything about football?

Eric

September 1st, 2009
9:50 am

Saban could be Osama bin Laden III, but if he wins games, the toilet paper and washing powder crowd would still love him. He may be a good coach, but that doesn’t make him a good man.

Johnny Test

September 1st, 2009
9:52 am

LSU backed into the 2007 NC. A two loss team will never get that opportunity again. What has he done since?

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
9:56 am

Eric,

Do you mean the way you guys still love Pat Dye even though he brought shame and national ridicule to Auburn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX-pNMnwFE

CharlotteGator

September 1st, 2009
10:01 am

Saban is certainly a good coach and Bama is lucky to have him. He’s done a great job and will continue to do so given Alabama’s resources, history, and passion to be a great college football program.

That being said, I’m not so sure other fans are ‘jealous’ that their schools don’t have Coach Saban. Saban’s style of play is one that very much suits Alabama’s tradition and football mentality. I don’t know though that his style of play would transfer well at say UF. After the Spurrier years put us on the map, I don’t think that the Gators could have gone over to the smash mouth, ball control, stifling defense style that Saban has been uber-successful with. Meyer has been a great fit at UF because his style isn’t too far a cry from what Gator fans saw and grew accustomed to when we began to have a little success. I’d argue that programs on par with Alabama right now (not historically or anything like that, just today and who can and can’t win the SEC) such as UF, UGA, Ole Miss, LSU probably aren’t jealous and wishing they had Saban as they’re probably very happy with who they have now and the job those coaches have done. And even still, the programs trying to come up and improve probably desire Saban’s results more so than they desire the actual coach.

Bama fans are in love with Saban now, but I’d guess what they’re most proud about is what he’s done to bring them back to relevance. If I remember right, before Saban showed up, there was a nice little crush on RichRod. Is he a better coach than Saban? Obviously, current state would prove no, but I think what either of them represented to Bama fans at the time (a big name who could come turn the program around and give it some juice) was much more important than the actual man that got brought in.

Gen Neyland

September 1st, 2009
10:03 am

Give this guy whatever he wants..? Sounds like new a new set of luggage is in order…In truth, if Saban can keep the Red Elephants Probation-Free, he’ll have done more than they bargained for. ‘Course, I expect him to win a couple SEC titles at Alabama sometime before 2017. The odds are in his favor…

Gator Growl

September 1st, 2009
10:04 am

Tony, you mentioned a “life-time” contract but I don’t think that is any better an idea than these “coaches-in-waiting” deals. Look, I wouldn’t trade Urban Meyer for Vince Lombardi right now, but I DON”T think a “lifetime contract” would be a wise option for either party. Just look at the Charlie Weiss situation, what if ND doesn’t win at least 8 games this season? Then what???

ReptilesRule

September 1st, 2009
10:07 am

Growl, I wouldn’t trade Urban for 3 Nick Sabans either but I have to agree…

obscure reference

September 1st, 2009
10:07 am

Brian B.,

My thoughts exactly. Saban’s history of underachieving the year following an overachieving year points to some pretty mad rabid bama fans this year if they don’t win the west or a NC. Their “cultural problem” can’t handle a 9 win season when they expect a NC. The boosters and AD office will wrestle back that control TB talks about Saban having. They will run him off. I seriously doubt that Saban is going to keep the program clean with the NCAA keeping a close eye and fishing trips floating around…

whitx2

September 1st, 2009
10:08 am

Johnny Test

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. Now you know better than that. We’re talking about Saban and not Les Miles. Get on board, dude.

Brian B.

September 1st, 2009
10:10 am

I think ego leads you to make bad decisions. Don’t believe it ? Ask Steve Spurrier and the Washington Redskins. Do I think Saban will grow restless and look for a new challenge ? Do I think Saban would like to be wooed by an NFL owner with deep pockets ? Someday … absolutely.

Just the Facts

September 1st, 2009
10:16 am

Wasn’t the same thing being written about Richt after his first two years at Georgia.The SEC is a tough league to play in.What goes up eventually comes down. Thats why I laugh at Florida fans…have fun while you can telling everyone how great you are and how great Meyer is. Your day is coming. You will eventually lose and another SEC team take your place at the top. Alabama just might be that team but not for long. The league is to good. The coaches are to good and these things have a tendancy to move in cycles. Lets face it, until Florida hired Spurrier nobody even gave them the time of day…their program was a joke.Meyer has gotten lucky in his first few years at the school. Without superman Tebow does anybody really think the gators would have been as sucessful as they have been. Lets see what they do once boy wonder graduates.A few years ago Auburn was the class of the league, now look at them, rebuilding after stupid coaching moves by their administration. LSU has been up and down so many times over the past ten years with all the talent they’ve had its a wonder their fans haven’t revolted. Nich Saban is a good coach,not a great coach.Keep throwing your money at him, because he’ll spend it. Why don’t you enlarge your stadium to seat 150,000 then you can brag about that to. Have fun while you can Alabama fans because remember what goes up eventually comes down in the SEC.

Johnny Test

September 1st, 2009
10:16 am

Right… just got side tracked.. I am a diehard SEC fan so I should show LSU a little more respect.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
10:19 am

Brian B.,

I think that’s already happened. Ever heard of Stephen M. Ross, Wayne Huizenga, and the Miami Dolphins?

G8R GRAD

September 1st, 2009
10:20 am

By all accounts Coach Saban brought that train into the station at least a year early last year. He may be a control freak, but the Alabama loyal ought to be gratefule he’s THEIR control freak.
Saban is, as Atlanta Gator once quoted, “just another brick in the wall” reinforcing the SEC as the premier conference in D-1 football.
Good luck to him, and his squad, this fall. RTR!

And GO GATORS!

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
10:21 am

Just the Facts = Disgruntled Fan of Some Other SEC School

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

September 1st, 2009
10:26 am

Yeah, Saban’s a good coach, but his first year at Bama ended with them going only winning six games, if I recall correctly. They also lost to Louisiana-Monroe. Let that sink in for a minute.

Don’t get me wrong: they had a good year last year, but it wasn’t fantastic. However, I think Saban’ll get them to maintain the high bar they set last year, and he seems to suit the Alabama environment and mindset very well. Smart move by Bama.

Grene Chizik

September 1st, 2009
10:27 am

I am not scared or Nick. I am not scared of Nick. I am not scared of Nick. Okay, maybe a little.

Just the Facts

September 1st, 2009
10:31 am

Got 12= Saban boot licker.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
10:31 am

If this blog existed back when Dubose was coaching Bama, I would have been just a pissed as most of you guys. I understand your pain. Besides Bama fans, the only civil ones here are the UF fans. They’re the only other optimist group on today’s blog.

Let go of the anger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgMIerTXl4

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
10:36 am

sact—-The Gators have certainly won their share over the last 19 seasons. Of course, the Gators had some making up to do for the beatings they took in the 1930s, 40s, 50s and 70s. As for “jealousy,” well, there’s certainly no need for that.

Sure, I’d love to see the Gators win everything every year . . . but after the Pell/Hall mess in the 1980s, I would settle for my team being competitive and my alma mater running an honest sports program. At the end of the day, the integrity of the institution is more important than another championship. I never want to see the University of Florida mentioned in the same sentence with the words “institutional control” ever again, and I know that most Florida alumni of my generation feel exactly the same way.

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

September 1st, 2009
10:44 am

Two additional points:

1. I don’t think Saban would make the mistake of going to the NFL again. Some coaches are college coaches, and others are NFL coaches. Saban’s a college coach, and I think he knows that now.

2. Mark Richt is fabulous, and I wouldn’t trade him for Saban, Meyer, Johnson or anyone else.

CharlotteGator

September 1st, 2009
10:45 am

Just the Facts,

I hope you’re kidding with the following:

“Meyer has gotten lucky in his first few years at the school. Without superman Tebow does anybody really think the gators would have been as sucessful as they have been. Lets see what they do once boy wonder graduates”

I’d like to avoid the full-on rant with this one, but this could be said about any school in the country, any time they have success, and any time they have great players. This is tired and poor logic that doesn’t really do much to further the discussion on here which is usually pretty good and intelligent football banter.

Of course, if you’d like to debate your Meyer/UF statements and conclusions, fire away, I’d be more than happy to oblige.

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
10:47 am

Just the Facts—-Give the Devil his due, man. Urban Meyer won a national championship in his second year at Florida (2006), and the starting quarterback was NOT Tim Tebow, sports fan. This fall will be Meyer’s ninth season as a head coach, and he has never posted a losing record, either in-conference or overall. His eight teams to date have a collective record of 83-17 (or .830). He has won four conference championships (2 MWC, 2 SEC), and two BCS national championships.

I will give you the fact that a coach and team have to be a “little bit lucky” to play for a BCS championship, let alone win one. But Meyer’s record to date indicates that he is not “lucky,” just a damn fine coach whose teams may have been lucky to be in a position to play for it all twice. BTW, I would also argue that Florida’s defense had as much to do with the Gators’ 2008 championship as Tebow did, don’t you agree? Is a great defense a function of “luck?”

BJohnDawg

September 1st, 2009
10:50 am

Saban is a good coach and Bama is fortunate to have him as HC. Has turned that program around in 2 years. I see him there for years to come, has found a home, and Alabama to be a team to reckon with year in and year out.

GOD Love SEC football.Come on Thursday Night!
And on Saturday….GO DAWGS!

Gator Fan

September 1st, 2009
10:50 am

Q: Why don’t Gator fans eat M&Ms?

A: They’re too hard to peel.

gatorman770

September 1st, 2009
10:50 am

Not as good a bargain as the Gators got with Urban Meyer!

The truth is the SEC has the best coaches of any conference.

Just the Facts

September 1st, 2009
10:51 am

Charlotte Gator. I make it a point to not debate someone with a mullett and wears jean shorts. If Florida plays Alabama this year in the SEC Championship game I’ll put my money on BAMA. I’ll enjoy watching Meyer & Tebow cry and thinking about you crying your heart out in Charlotte.

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
10:51 am

G8R GRAD—-In quoting me, you have clearly demonstrated a momentary lapse of reason. I wish you were here to share a pint and some gob, but you might not like it here on the dark side of the moon.

Gen Neyland

September 1st, 2009
11:09 am

Saban, Meyer, Miles, Richt. The order is optional but these are the SEC’s best coaches going into 2009. Got 12, even a henpecked chicken from USC East knows the afore mentioned are top drawer. It’s just football trash-talk, not a health care debate…

Please note the absence of BumbleBee fans. Dragon*Con is coming to town and one must be prepared..!

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
11:10 am

Gen Neyland—-As the recent “text books for free” scandal shows, a program requires more people focused on NCAA compliance than just the head coach. The university and the athletic department have to demand and expect integrity from their coaches and players. Frankly, I’ve never understood the “Saban is a dirtball” talk; most of it is from disgruntled LSU and Dolphins fans who were angry that he left, and some other angry people who are just looking for an opportunity to rabbit-punch Alabama.

If Bama’s coaches, players and alumni can keep their noses clean, Saban will bring them some SEC championships and maybe something more. If not, and the program experiences more NCAA infractions, they will have no one to blame but themselves, and the SEC will be poorer for it.

buck

September 1st, 2009
11:10 am

Isn’t bama on probation?

G8R GRAD

September 1st, 2009
11:17 am

Atlanta Gator:

Momentary lapse, or not, a pint sounds good!
But, my wife is speaking at a Rotary meeting and duty calls.

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
11:18 am

“Gator Fan”—-Why peel’em at all? I prefer my peanuts with the chocolate on.

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
11:19 am

G8R GRAD—-Yeah, buddy. Have fun with that. LOL

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
11:24 am

Just the Facts—-We need to work on those anger issues, don’t we?

BTW, I don’t have enough hair left for mullet and I have never owned nor worn a pair of “jorts.” Will you debate me, or would you prefer to keep talking to yourself?

G8R GRAD

September 1st, 2009
11:25 am

Rubberry chicken and square carrots, here I come!

CharlotteGator

September 1st, 2009
11:35 am

Just the Facts,

Clearly you’ve put me in my place with your uber-original wit and humor. You win the internet tough guy award for the day. Congrats. What was I thinking challenging an intellectual giant as yourself to an actual debate which is obviously not the point of this blog.

I give you credit though, by hiding your allegiance, you’ve accomplished two great things:

1) you’ve not opened yourself up to tired elementary school name calling from opposing/rival fans
2) you’ve managed to not reflect poorly on the school you support and may or may not have attended

And by the way, if and/or when the Gators lose this season or any future seasons, I can promise you crying is not in my immediate future nor is thinking about other fans crying over game results. There are more important things in this world and in life than university affiliated football teams composed of 18-22 yr. olds.

HH

September 1st, 2009
12:10 pm

Looks like Coach Overpaid is going to be fighting Les for #3 in the SEC, if he’s lucky, and that ain’t no sure thing, if Urban and Saban continue to hang around. If your a GA fan, I guess you might as well get used to it.

Just the Facts

September 1st, 2009
12:14 pm

Charlotte Gator and Atlanta Gator a match made in heaven. You two are perfect. Everything you say should be taken by all as the gospel truth.I can tell by your blogs that both of you think you are quite the intellects.The way you talk down to others with a different opinion than yours. You two wouldn’t know a good football team or coach if it bit you in the a$$. But thats OK….what goes up must come down and Florida will fall eventually and you two will be right there together making excuses,pointing fingers and offering your opinions.Typical Florida fans.

catfish suppa

September 1st, 2009
12:14 pm

does Saban have false teeth-what does he do with that mouth when the dentures are out-just curious?

Johnny DangerDawg

September 1st, 2009
12:15 pm

Tony,
I think Nick Saban is a good coach. However, you said yourself that Alabama SHOULD be able to win with their resources. Therefore, other (cheaper) coaches could probably make Alabama a winner. Saban is overpaid.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
12:24 pm

Johnny,

Other cheaper coaches would not have drawn the media attention or increased revenue as dramatically and quickly as Saban has. When you watch any of the ESPN networks leading up to this weekend’s game’s commercials, who do you see? Whose GameDay commercial is running right now. (I won’t mention the magazine covers (e.g. Forbes))

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
12:27 pm

Why was I redirected to an ad for the AJC in the middle of typing my post?

Gen Neyland

September 1st, 2009
12:59 pm

Atlanta Gator : Your post above reminded me of the Dire Straits lyrics, ‘Money for nothing and books for free’, oh wait, that’s chicks for free and that’s another programs problem…You down in Gatorville this week..?

Bamafan

September 1st, 2009
1:11 pm

It is funny reading the interesting things that gators fans and dawg fans have to say to one another. I know want dislike and hate are for Auburn and UcheaT. Gators and dawgs fans which i am included
get a long pretty good most of the time. I did see something on youtube that was classy for the vols
band to play the rivals fight song welcoming them to Neyland Stadium before the game started. If Alabama’s band played Rocky Top the band director would be fired on the spot. ROLL TIDE FOLKS!!

CharlotteGator

September 1st, 2009
1:11 pm

Just the Facts,

In my mind, there’s only one gospel truth and its most definitely not what I say, nor is it the point of this blog…well maybe on Fearless Fridays along with politics and pot legalization :)

I try to only talk down to people who come on this blog to bash others and play anonymous internet tough guy with no real intention of talking football or making points. But since you’re so concerned with facts, please point out anyone I have talked down to that’s outside of the category above and I will be more than happy to apologize and admit fault.

As far as not knowing a good football team or coach when I see one, I think UF has both now (along with UGA, LSU, Bama, and Ole Miss), but by all means feel free to elaborate on why you think I’m wrong and I’ll counter with my thoughts and opinions. Welcome to an adult conversation.

bamaman

September 1st, 2009
1:12 pm

every body read this article about the top 10 college football programs of all time….has Alabama #1 and usc number 4…michigan number 5? what a joke….http://sportstime.sportsblognet.com/2009/08/31/the-top-ten-list-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time/

Realistic Bama Fan

September 1st, 2009
1:24 pm

Honestly, I think we benefited from a down SEC last year. However, we did finish the regular season 12-0. Bama just didn’t have the weapons to compete with Florida that has established themselves as a top 5 program. Meyer is a great coach and is stockpiling talent. Coach Saban has worked hard in recruiting the talent to building the same depth that Florida has established. As far as the Utah game, we just didn’t show up. Utah wanted it more and there is no question about it we just weren’t ready to play. Call it SEC championship game hangover or call it outcoached, but I honestly did not expect along with many others for Bama to even be in a BCS game last year.

As far as my expectations for this year and years to come, I believe Coach Saban is definitely the right guy for our university. He has revitalized the football program and the campus that has been dead over the past 10 years. Each fan base has its share of nuts and we are no exception. Do I think we will go undefeated this year? No. Do I think we can win at least 10 games? Yes, but like all teams you have to catch some breaks and stay injury free. If Tebow went down with a torn ACL for the Gators, it would be hard to think the Gators would be penciled in the BCS Championship (but he is superman so it may not effect him). The expectations for the Bama program will continue to rise and hopefully championships are to come. I think as long as Coach Meyer and Coach Saban each stay at their current programs, there will be some fun battles for the SEC crown.

My last point is our conference has the best coaching staffs in the country. The competition in this conference does not match any other. The West should be interesting to watch this year. LSU has talent and Ole Miss has the returning experience, but I am hoping for a repeat of Saban vs. Meyer in the Dome.

Nachos

September 1st, 2009
1:25 pm

Of course Saban is a jerk, but he wins and thats all that matters. I’ll take wins over a “nice coach” anytime mutts and barners.

RJ

September 1st, 2009
1:32 pm

Outside of maybe Florida and USC there isn’t a college football fan in the country that doesn’t wish they had Saban

Otto

September 1st, 2009
1:35 pm

Plenty of UGA and GT fans aren’t wishing they had Saban.

CharlotteGator

September 1st, 2009
1:36 pm

Realistic Bama Fan,

Great post. Well thought out. You know your football.

Nearly the identical comments could be made re: the Gators’ championship run in ‘06. The SEC was somewhat down (Arkansas was the West champion) combined with some good fortune and UF ended up in the championship game. If we’re being honest not many of us Gator fans thought they’d be in that game at the beginning of the year, let alone throttle OSU the way they did. We were playing with house money and cashed it all in. Most Gator fans would tell you that we picked a great night to have a great night as it was probably the only game all season where both the offense and defense played well in the same game.

It says great things about the SEC, however, that even in our ‘down’ years, we have what it takes to compete with the nations’ best.

jumbeauxtiger

September 1st, 2009
1:44 pm

I have said on here numerous times that I like Saban and I have no ill will towards him.

The contract for life suggestion by Tony would not be wise in my opinion. I don’t believe any coach is worth that.

I can understand why Saban is a control freak. Afterall if things go bad its the HC who takes the fall.

I can see why Bama fans are excited but that doesn’t mean, as other posters have stated, that the rest of us are jealous. Sure some probably are but I’m glad Bama has him as it makes both of our programs have to step it up that much more.

There’s nothing like SEC football.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Nick Saban and back to back 10 win seasons?

September 1st, 2009
1:56 pm

Obscure reference,

I’ve noticed several times that you and others always like to reference the fact that Saban has never had back to back 10 win seasons. Apparently you haven’t taken a close look at things. Before LSU Saban coached at Michigan State and Kent State where winning one 10 game season is a magical feat let alone 2.

At LSU Saban took over a program that had 8 losing seasons in 11 years. He won 8 games his first year of building the program so 10 wins was hardly expected anyway. That year also comprised an 11 game and not 12 game schedule. He won, 10 his second year, and slipped back to his worst season at LSU the next year with only 8 wins. The following year he won 13 and the national title in 2003. The following year his last 2004 shows LSU with a 9-3 record. Because of the leap year it was only an 11 game regular season rather than having an extra patsy game for a 12 game regular season. Otherwise he would have played somebody like Middle Tennessee and odds are 95% would have had back to back 10 game winning seasons. In any event he was only there 5 years anyway and the first 2-3 years were pretty much a rebuilding mission to begin with and a little inconsistency would be expected.

The idea that he is not that good a coach because he has never won back to back 10 plus winning seasons is statistically misleading.

P.Clarke

September 1st, 2009
2:04 pm

Hey Tony, in case you haven’t noticed, there are other teams in the SEC. I know that you trace the beginning of your career back to that magical moment when you interviewed Bear Bryant, but your love affair with Alabama and Saban in print and on television is getting to be a little disturbing. Perhaps you should apply for the job of Saban’s press agent since you spend most of your time talking in school girl tones about Saban/Alabama. I think it would be a natural fit for you to end your career worshipping Saban since you began it worshipping Bryant.

marble rye

September 1st, 2009
2:06 pm

To assume that extending a contract x-many years will automatically mean a coach will in fact stay at the school that long is foolish. Coaches leave schools all the time long before their contracts are up. I don’t know why extending a contract makes everyone believe that coach is somehow locked to that school for that long. Dumb.

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
2:20 pm

Realistic Bamafan pretty much hit the nail on the head for us.

We expect to be competitive like a UF, UGA, LSU and likewise we also expect to have some down years just like those programs UGA 9-4 in 06, UF 9-4 07, LSU 8-5 last year. Nobody can reasonably expect 12 wins every year or to expect national titles every year. And most of us do acknowledge we got a little lucky last year because we stayed injury year and it was certainly a down year for all 3 of our biggest rivals AU, UT LSU.

We just want to have some good seasons with the occasional 4 loss hiccup season just like other top tier sec teams and its not unrealistic or delusional to expect this.

I do see some irrational hating on Saban and the Bama program. Then the same haters start in on Urban Meyer and UF with statements like UF wouldn’t be winning if not for Tebow. Lot of anger, envy, and resentment going on by some fans of some other schools. It seems like the gator posters as usual are complimentary of Saban and Bama in general right now. I guess that’s cause they’re pretty comfortable and confident with who they have as a coach and not hung up with who someone else has as a coach. No little man syndrome there.

When you start going off on Atlanta gator and Charlotte gator who are probably the 2 most reasonable posters on here then you definitely have issues. Anyway, Saban is but one of many good coaches in the league. Ya still have Meyer, Richt, Miles, Nutt, Spurrier, Johnson, Petrino, a lot of good proven coaches out there so I don’t see any reason for any of those fans to be hating on a Saban or Meyer or really anybody’s coach for that matter. RTR.

john

September 1st, 2009
2:22 pm

no alabama does not cheat>>>> you are just jealous that you don’t have saban::::::::

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
2:27 pm

Marble rye,

Its not just the contract extension that will keep Saban at Bama. Its also the fact that his daughter just started at bama this year as a freshman. Saban also committed to a million dollar scholarship gift to be gifted at 100k per year for the next 10 years. Does that sound like someone who is leaving anytime soon?

On top of that Saban has pretty much burned his NFL bridges and in college there really are only a handul of teams that can pay the type of money Bama will pay Saban. Even ND, Michigan will not pay the kind of money Saban is getting paid. RR is only being paid 2.5 million at Mich while Saban is making 4 million. He’s pretty much stuck at Bama unless he wants to take a big pay cut. Besides, he’s 58 and is too old to want to rebuild another program all over again from scratch. You should welcome the competition. He’ll just be yet another good coach in a league full of really good coaches.

Frozen_Gator

September 1st, 2009
2:31 pm

Saban’s recruiting methods may catch up to him. Alabama can’t keep on getting commitments from over 30 athletes every year (3), something has to give. How many gray shirts can you stack up before they get a scholarship and count toward the 85? I don’t believe Alabama has lost 25 players through graduation or medical reasons the past three years but they manage to sign 25 and gray shirt a number. This year 10 days before signing there were 16 positions open to reach 85, they signed 25. Nine players were dumped. Sooner or later recruits will catch on to this.

Mister NFL

September 1st, 2009
2:35 pm

I’m no Bama fan but most of yall here make it obvious you’re scared of Saban and Bama. Get over it. With the 85 scholly rule, no one team will dominate more than a few years at a time.

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
2:43 pm

Frozen_Gator,

I was a little worried too about the scholarship numbers but Saban had it well in hand. He knew that there were 3 or 4 players that would have to go on medical scholarship, he knew that 2-3 players would get run off and transfer due to lack of playing time, and he knew he was going to run off 3-4 players or so due to disciplinary problems which he did. He make it clear to guys with discipline issues that if they didn’t straighten up he would run them off. He did exactly that with Brandon Fanney our starting jack linebacker for this year and the returning 3rd leading tackler from last year. Brandon is finishing at North Alabama this year because of in house discipline issues. Its a shame but Saban is a disciplinarian who runs a tight ship. And we need that for sure.

Plus he knew there were up to 4 players that were iffy as far as qualifying and so he figured that at least 1 of them wouldn’t make it. When it was all said and done all of them qualified and there wasn’t room for the whole class.

As it turned out though I think only 1 guy ended up grayshirting but it might have been 2. The 1 or 2 that ended up grayshirting were made fully aware of this possibility well before making their committments.

For the 2010 class we have 21 committs already and are going to sign 25 possibly 26. We have a senior class of at least 23 so accounting for the usual attrition of 2-4 players every year for all sorts of reasons we will be well within the numbers when fall camp opens in 2010.

obscure reference

September 1st, 2009
2:43 pm

Nick Saban and 10 win season,

I’ll admit that any stat, taken in a vacuum, can be twisted and turned to fit your desired outcome. His career is somewhat of a roller coaster with wins per years…starting with LSU 8, 10, 8, 13, 9 , 7, 12. History tells us he won’t win more than 8 or 9 this year which probably won’t get him into the SECCG. At this point, I consider him an average coach with a NC ring.

Coaches with back to back 10 win seasons:
Spurrier: 8 consecutive (NC), 9 wins, 2 consecutive
Fulmer:4 consecutive (NC), 2 consecutive
Richt: 4 consecutive, 9 wins, 2 consecutive
Meyer: to my surprise only 1 time while at Utah.
Carroll: 7 (2 NC)
Bowden: 10 (2 NC)
Stoops: 5 consecutive (NC), 3 consecutive. Stoops won his first NC before winning back to back, but has been on verge of many since.

Based on this stat, it takes consecutive 10 win seasons to generate a NC and a coaching dominance. Saban has yet to do that. Didn’t say he won’t, but lets give him time before handing him the greatest coach ever award.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
2:44 pm

Tide Rising,

If I was the fan of an SEC divisional rival, I wouldn’t welcome the competition. Let’s say Auburn hired Belichick after next season, it wouldn’t make me feel good for the conference. I’d be full of “anger…and resentment” like most of the posters here. Maybe I’m being petty but I’m also being honest.

Please note: I have no insider knowledge of a potential head coaching vacancy at Auburn. Also, Belichick is Saban’s mentor and for that reason (and several others) he will never coach at Auburn.

J

September 1st, 2009
2:53 pm

“How old is Coach Saban now?”

I believe I read somewhere that he is 57 and by the end of the contract extension he would be 66.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
2:55 pm

The “10 wins” argument is one of more asinine I’ve ever heard. The stated goal of each head coach and player in the SEC every year is to win the SEC championship. I’ve never heard a player, coach or athletic department administrator stating 10 wins as an objective.

I’d trade five 10-win seasons for a NC and 2 SEC championships in a five-year period, any day. That applies to Saban at Bama or any other coach and school.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 1st, 2009
2:55 pm

Atlanta Gator, as always the voice of reason. “Is a great defense a function of “luck?” What is this “defense” that you speak of? It is a foreign term to us dawg fans. Maybe one day we will find this thing called defense and rise from the ashes to rule the SEC, or at least ruin the day for somebody else.

Anybody have any idea about OSU? Looks like their players are dropping out quick for the game this Saturday. First the starting CB and now the starting TE. Or is this all just dog and pony show to set us at ease before the scalping begins.

Rebel Ace

September 1st, 2009
2:58 pm

Ole Miss is looking fwd. to spanking that $4 million butt.

Nick Saban and back to back 10 win seasons?

September 1st, 2009
3:00 pm

Obscure reference,

Keep in mind that when he won 8 in his first year at LSU and 7 in his first year at Bama that he was stepping into mediocre programs that can’t be turned around in 1 year. Every job he has taken has been a rebuilding job and most coaches want 2-4 years to get the ship righted. And again the season after he won the title at LSU he had 9 wins in a regular season that consisted of 11 regular season games as opposed to the usual 12. In a normal season that extra game would have been a padded cream puff home game. Same with his first season where he won only 8 at LSU.

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
3:04 pm

Got12?

Speaking of Auburn when are they going to hire a head coach?

4 million dollar butt

September 1st, 2009
3:06 pm

Rebel Ace,

How often have you spanked that 4 million dollar butt? Have you done it with any regularity?

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
3:16 pm

gdawg~zoo—-It’s not that the Dawgs don’t have good defense; they do. They have talent; they have potential. The problem is the Dawgs can’t seem to manage to live up to their defensive potential for four consecutive quarters in 3 to 4 games per year. I don’t want to rub salt in an open wound, but that sounds like a coaching problem.

Denver Dog

September 1st, 2009
3:22 pm

So whay can’t he and barry H Obama go out west face the wind and have the wildfires extinquished. I’m not sure how good of a coach he is becuase he has never stayed anywhere long enough to prove it. His last job before Alabama was not such a success. He is a good coach, and is a super organizer, but does he really want to stay somewhere longer than 5 years? We will see I guess. Good luck to him

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
3:23 pm

Tide Rising,

I had a telephone interview with Jacobs last week. I have an in-person interview on Thursday in Opelika. The limo is picking me up. I’m so excited. Jacobs said he found my resume on Monster.

I told Dye that I haven’t played organized football since intramurals at UA. He said that means I’m undefeated as a head coach. I said that’s one way to look at it. WDE!

Denver Dog

September 1st, 2009
3:25 pm

hey atlanta Gator, didn’t look like they had a tough problem in 07, maybe this will be the year for them again. Good luck to your Gators except for that Last Sat in October. Love watching Tebow play!

Not Disappointed!

September 1st, 2009
3:25 pm

Saban better bring at 3 national championship or he’s not worth it!

Ramblin Wreck!

Frozen_Gator

September 1st, 2009
3:41 pm

I’ll give credit where credit is due, a few players each year have to be run off; that’s just the way it is. To run off a starter is taking no short-cut that is exemplary. I still say that on the 4th signing class to bring in 25 is over the top. I also remember Michigan St recruiting in SE Florida when he coached there.

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
3:46 pm

Got12?

I’ll take 0-0 is better than 5-19 with wins over Kent State and North Dakota State. Did Bobby Lowder have a hand in getting you the interview also?

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
3:54 pm

Denver Dog—-I’m confused regarding your 2007 reference. Are you referring to the Gators’ 2007 BCS Championship (following the 13-1 2006 season) or the 2007 season that followed (9-4, with Capitol One loss to Michigan)?

In any event, thanks for the (mostly) good thoughts. As always, I want to see the Dawgs play well 11 out of 12 games. Makes the last game of October that much more significant.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 1st, 2009
3:58 pm

ATL Gator, I know, I know. You don’t need to convince me but maybe if I give you the number to BM Hall down in Athens you could make a convincing phone call to a certain HC?

Tide Rising

September 1st, 2009
3:58 pm

Frozen_Gator,

Technically it is Saban’s 4th recruiting class but really the 2010 class will be his 3rd. When he was hired he only had the month of January to recruit. He honored Shula’s committs and landed 2-3 of his own but for the most part it was Shula’s class and it wasn’t a very big class I don’t think.

I will say that like you I believe a small handful of these recruits 3 or 4 of them that were Shula recruits I think Saban just didn’t want and he ran em off one way or another. These were guys that simply didn’t have SEC talent.

Looking back at it Shula signed a lot of players who had Bama as their only legit SEC offer and had offers from lower tier conferences like the Sun belt. Shula signed some good players just by virtue of instate talent but our overall talent was very subpar compared to UF, UGA, LSU, AU, UT. The players I’m thinking of though were in fact given 4 years to complete their degree and 3 of them did before moving on via transfer or medical redshirt.

Got 12?

September 1st, 2009
3:59 pm

Tide Rising,

Three weeks ago, I ran into Lowder at the McDonald’s in Lanett. He had ordered the kids’ meal but his debit card was declined. I was standing behind him in line and paid for his meal because he was holding up the line. He said that’s the kind of generous and decisive action they need on The Plains. He asked for my cell number but I declined. He must have written down my tag number because I got a letter from him the following week. I shredded it.

A couple of days later, Jacobs left a message on my home number saying he found my resume on Monster. He was noticeably sobbing. I’m not a monster so I called him back.

ReptilesRule

September 1st, 2009
4:36 pm

Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Richt, Nutt…How lucky are we in the SEC?! I love watching those guys coach!

Atlanta Gator

September 1st, 2009
4:51 pm

gdawg~zoo—-Nice try. Like CMR is going to take an anonymous phone call from someone named “Atlanta Gator.”

Bama gets letter of inquiry from NCAA- again!

September 1st, 2009
5:03 pm

Bama received yet another letter of inquiry from the NCAA today regarding 2 possible major violations regarding 5 star recruits Dre Kirkpatrick and Trent Richardson.

In Dre’s case he attended class without a pencil or pen and a classmate gave him a used pencil. Dre allegedly did not pay for the pencil and it constitutes an extra benefit since the lending student does in fact have a direct connection with the university. The offending no. 2 pencil was halfway used and the eraser worn down to the nob. While the monetary value of the guilty pencil is in doubt the fact that it was given to Dre without due compensation is not.

In Trent’s case he was attempting to buy a soda from the soda machine but was a nickel short. A fellow student gave Trent a nickel and this constituted a monetary benefit thus giving Bama a competitive advantage which is another major violation.

In the case of Trent it was videotaped by Phillip Fulmer who was hiding behind a bus. He also tried to videotape Dre’s pencil incident but was spotted by students as the oak tree he was attempting to hide behind wasn’t big enough to cover him.

Bama officials feel confident in beating the pencilgate charge as it is based on hearsay evidence. But on the Trent sodagate case UA officials are dismayed that Phat Phil has one upped Bama again and this time he has the videotaped goods. One on this breaking story later.

gators81

September 1st, 2009
5:10 pm

just another gator fan who respects bama….is kiffen and co. in gainesville yet?

Bama fan

September 1st, 2009
5:19 pm

Gators81,

What makes you think Kiffin and UT are actually going to show up in Gainesville on Sept. 19th? I’m thinking they call in sick. Would you show up for a day that in UT history will probably end up being remembered as a day of infamy? I’m predicting 83-0

Sam

September 1st, 2009
5:40 pm

Cffreak, I think the most overhyped coach has to be Kirk Ferentz.

I just do not see why Bama is ranked so high. I suspect they will fall short of expectations like UGA did last year.

Keeping It Real

September 1st, 2009
5:48 pm

Saban and the other SEC coaches gets millions for recruiting and directing their assistants to get the best out of 11 players on both sides of the ball. The players get nothing but a fake education from the school and the potential to go pro if they don’t blow out a knee. Sounds like a plantation to me. College football is a farce when it comes to the guys that play the game every Saturday.

Correcting keeping it real

September 1st, 2009
6:09 pm

Keeping it real,

Some schools steer all their kids into bogus liberal arts majors like sociology. Others have their players in numerous disciplines. To sit there and say they all have fake educations is absurd. Some take the easy courses and easy majors. Many do not.

jc_atl

September 1st, 2009
7:25 pm

Saban had a very unprepared Bama team in the Sugar Bowl last year and was *humiliated* by Utah in a game in which they were heavily favored. Sure, Andre Smith wasn’t available, but if one guy makes that big a difference then I’ll take a wait and see on how good a coach he really is long-term. His record before LSU was unimpressive, and after LSU well . . . he’s had one good season. Not reason to slobber his knob just yet, Bammers.

idiot corrector

September 1st, 2009
8:09 pm

jc,

You fool. Bama was missing their other offensive guard early in the 1st qtr. It wasn’t just one guy. It was the left side of the o-line.

he won 2 sec titles in 5 years at lsu. Oh, he won a national championship to. And yet an idiot like you says his record at LSU was unimpressive. Has your program leader won a national title. Unless you’re a gator fan the answer is no so stfu!

dan

September 1st, 2009
8:13 pm

Saban overachieved with this bunch last year. He’s still getting his guys into this program, and when he does they’re going to be real tough. Saban has a huge ego, and when channeled correctly, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. He’s the kind of coach that wants to get the credit for when they win. Therefore, he’s never going to have a superstar QB like a Tim Tebow or a star running back like Knowshon Moreno, because it will overshadow him. He’d rather win with a game manager like a John Parker Wilson or a Matt Mauck at QB and a hard hitting defense like he had in 2003.

That’s why Saban never worked out in the pros. It wasn’t because he was lousy at the X’s and Oo’s, it was because he wasn’t going to have the control he wanted in the NFL, especially from an owner like Wayne Huzienga, another prima donna. At Alabama, Saban is given the control he wants as long as he wins

BIGBOY

September 1st, 2009
8:32 pm

OK for the record let’s look at Saban’s actual record…MSU 6-5-1,6-6,7-5,6-6,9-2.Now folks always seem to refer to the “great job”he did at MSU turning that program around…looking at the record I don’t see what was so great about it.LSU 8-4,10-3,8-5,13-1,9-3 He got a NC though at LSU.ALA 7-6.12-2 good SEC numbers…not as good as Richt or Meyer but good.I just don’t understand the media lovefest with Saban…to hear the AJC writers take the guy is one of the top 3 coaches in all the land!Really I’m not hating on the man I just don’t see why he is supposedly superior to Mark Richt

jackson

September 1st, 2009
9:07 pm

If I’m a Bama fan I only worry that Saban can never be the Bear and at some point he will realize that. If he has the ego that many of you believe he will not want to be second fiddle forever and therefore leave to be the “man”. Just a thought. I personally hope he stays in the conference until 2017 and I’m not jealous he is at Bama. Dawgs win Saturday and go SEC.

joe taxpayer

September 1st, 2009
9:15 pm

Wish he would hire willie Martinz from Georgia.

Jerry Springer

September 1st, 2009
10:27 pm

Bigboy,

You’re forgetting that Saban took over 2 sec teams that were mired in mediocrity before he got there. LSU had 8 losing seasons in 11 years and Bama had some bad years and was at its alltime low when Saban took over. Richt had established talent. Saban built these 2 programs from the ashes.

Jerry Springer

September 1st, 2009
11:39 pm

Dan,

I didn’t realize you could peer into Saban’s mind and see that his ego is denying him from having a high profile tailback or qb that might outshine his own ego. I wish I was that smart. But if what you say is true then why did Saban get the nation’s no. 2 tailback in the 09 class in Trent Richardson and why does Saban have a committment for the 2010 class from the top rated qb in the nation Phillip Sims out of Virginia? Won’t these guys take the attention away from Saban?

justafan

September 1st, 2009
11:50 pm

Maybe he’ll overcome the double digit losses to end last season and have back to back 10 win seasons for the first time ever. I’m not a fan or a hater, just amazed how propped up he is. His crowning moment was a win over the Big 12 runner up who was coming off a 35-7 loss. Great recruiter, no doubt, but forgive me for having doubts.

Crimson nation

September 2nd, 2009
1:25 am

justafan,

You’re largely right. In my opinion Saban is a good coach, not necessarily a great coach. And the sec is full of good coaches so he is just one of several good coaches in this league. He is talked about too much whether it be negative or positive. People just want to talk about the guy for some reason. Also, you are correct.

When he got the bama job he told Mal Moore the Bama AD and I paraphrase here ” If you think you got the best coach in the nation you didn’t. But I am the best dam recruiter there is in college football”. Truer words were never spoken.

Dave

September 2nd, 2009
7:12 am

I hate all the turnover in college football by coaches moving all the time. Fans need to be realistic to know where they are in the pecking order and not be too unrealistic in their expectations. No way should Tuberville have been fired by Auburn. Bobby Johnson should be locked up for the long term by Vandy he has made them relevant. Saban is attracting talent and given Alabama back their swagger you have to know the grass is not always greener by constantly bringing in a new coach. Reality is you usually get a frog and not a prince most of the time when you make a change.

Vick=Dog killing thug

September 2nd, 2009
7:42 am

Big dawg fan here but I do like Saban and the boyz from Bama.. Rather see them on top than the gators…..

Hans

September 2nd, 2009
2:43 pm

nuetral observe<<<<.neutral<

why are you children so jealous of Alabama and Coach Saban… did your mommy not show you enough attention while in diapers . Grow up its a Sport… why do you have to act so childish? I Mr nuetral observer….I suggest you take some remedial education courses and leave the football to weekends only.

What is you best example of Nick Saban cheating? put up or shut up!

Hans

September 2nd, 2009
2:48 pm

Hey-Crimson nation—-I say nick is a great coach…. give him 8 years more and see if he does not add 2 or 3 N.Championships to Alabama’s trophy case.. who is a better defensive coach on the college level… no one… pete carrol is his closest competitor

turkey hunter

September 2nd, 2009
6:42 pm

out of all of suitcase saban’s schools # 2 year has always been the best and then he has gotten worse. Also alabama is about to get the death penalty anyway

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!!!!!

Georgia Fan

September 3rd, 2009
2:25 pm

Saban is a great coach, but the Bama faithful are crazy people that will eventually drive him out of town. Here is a sample of the Alabama fanbase and their overwhelming inferiority complex from my trip to T town 9/07.
Bama #1: “I bet y’all are just a bunch of rich boys from Buckhead…all silverspoon and s*#%.”
Me: Nah, man were just college students, like uh, well not you… but people your age in this town with grammar.
Bama #2: “Atlanta’s full of a bunch of n$#@%#s, f#@s and yankees.”
My Friend: “Dude you’re wearing a braves hat.”
Bama #2: “Huh”
Bama #1: “It’s Two Thousand Saban!!”
Bama #3: “You wanna fight boy?”

AtlantaBama

September 4th, 2009
2:52 pm

I have a couple of questions for those who talk all this negative trash about Saban. What would you do if your favor college football hired him as your head coach? Would you be angry? Heck no! Each one of you cry babies would be saying exactly what every Alabama feels – relief that some is finally in charge and will make you competitive in every game. Well-with the exception of the Utah game. :)

Roll Tide!

AtlantaBama

September 4th, 2009
2:56 pm

Hey Georgia Fan – I live in Atlanta and if i were to drive no more than 12 miles outside of the city i do believe UGA has their share of those type folks you make light of.

I have no complex. It may just you looking in the mirror – bonehead!

Hey BTW Georgia Fan any plans to have a BLACKOUT game this year in Athens?

TrueCrimson

September 5th, 2009
11:27 am

Well, the day has finally arrived. I hope that all of you guys enjoy the games today.

It’s just great to be a Crimson Tide football fan!

RTR!!!

TrueCrimson

September 7th, 2009
9:49 pm

As for Nick Saban’s prior record, I don’t really care. Gene Stallings came to Tuscaloosa with a losing record as a Head Coach. I know the situations that Saban has been in and he has had success everywhere he has been. That’s why he’s had so many opportunities to take new positions.

Something will have to go terribly wrong for Coach Saban to leave Alabama rather than retiring here. I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen, but I will say that none of the relevant parties should want it to happen.

It is true that a coach will be accepted by most fan-bases if he wins — no matter what his character or personality might be. But the fact is that Nick Saban happens to be quite an honorable man. The Bama Nation doesn’t have to ‘look the other way’ for Coach Saban, because he’s doing things the right way.

RTR!!!

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tolivr

November 17th, 2009
9:35 am

So here we are in November, 10 games into the 2009 season…what do you Saban haters have to say now?

LSU will win the West in 09—wrong.
Alabama lost an All American tickle, 2 TEs, an all SEC RB and Safety, and they start a rookie at QB so they’ll suffer in 09—wrong.
Saban’s never had consecutive 10 win seasons—wrong.

First in recruiting in 2008. First in recruiting in 2009. Poised to be first in recruiting in 2010. Face it, Saban’s stockpiling talent, his defense will always be dominant, and he shows no sign whatsoever of leaving.

Objectively, it sure looks like Alabama is headed for another Natl Championship–perhaps more than one.

dbgunter

January 10th, 2010
8:36 pm

True….Alabama beat Texas but never have I seen an example of poor sportsmanship than I did at the end of that game. Why Saben did not take a knee with less than a minute left in the game and a nine point lead is only an example of what a true dick this man is. Come to the line in a victory formation then run the ball against a defense that has already conceded defeat…….Low……real low.