Tennessee does not need Bryce Brown aggravation

 

It’s Friday. Mercifully, the season is only two weeks away. And this is your day to talk about anything that is on your mind, even if it’s not college football. And as I’ve said before, please keep it clean because my momma reads this blog.

I’ll get things rolling.

 

1. Tennessee does not need the Bryce Brown aggravation. But you had to know that some aggravation was coming: Bryce Brown, Tennessee’s highly-recruited freshman running back, had a messy recruitment from the beginning with his “advisor” Brian Butler. For a while, you’ll recall, Butler was selling recruiting updates on Brown from a dedicated website. He had to back away from that. Now the NCAA is sniffing around some fundraising Butler and others did to help Brown and other students take a number of “educational” trips to Southern colleges. Now it may turn out that no NCAA rules were violated here. If some were, Brown may have to sit a couple of games.

 This much is clear and this is important: Tennessee’s recruitment of Brown is not the issue. So the institution and the football program don’t appear to be at risk. But everybody in the recruiting process knew that Brown, because of Butler, had some potential baggage. There were schools that backed off Brown because of it. Tennessee felt it was worth the risk and, in the final analysis, Lane Kiffin and his staff will probably be right. But this is an aggravation Tennessee does not need with the first game of the Kiffin era two weeks away.

 

2. Should Auburn be doing a reality TV show?  In the interest of full disclosure I need to tell you that I work for CSS on a show called “Talkin’ Football.” They are incredibly professional people who have done a lot for me. Having said all that, I question the wisdom of Auburn’s decision to do a reality show for CSS called “Auburn Football: Every Day.” The idea is to give the cameras unprecedented access to the football program on a daily basis. The cameras will show both the good and the bad. Originally, Ole Miss had agreed to do the show. The Rebels are picked to have a big, big season. But in the final days before shooting was scheduled to start, coach Houston Nutt had a change of heart. I understand Auburn’s rationale. When you’re recruiting in the same state with Nick Saban, you need every advantage that you can get. This show will be watched by a lot of people, including recruits. If it makes a handful of top high school players take a second look at Auburn, then it’s probably worth the risk involved. Football teams can be very volatile families. I’m going to try to keep an open mind on this one. What do you guys think?

 

3. The recent ruling in the Florida State case is the right one, but it will have an impact on future NCAA cases.  Florida Circuit Judge John Cooper ruled yesterday that if a state institution, in this case Florida State, receives documents in any form, those documents are public records. The documents in question dealt with the ongoing NCAA investigation into the academic cheating scandal at Florida State, which would strip coach Bobby Bowden of 14 of his 382 career victories. The NCAA’s records in the case were sent to Florida State on line in a “read only” format. The NCAA’s claim was the public had no right to the documents because Florida State had not received them in paper form and did not physically possess them. Media agencies sued, claiming that the NCAA’s claim violated the state’s open records laws. The court agreed. In a digital age, if a state body gets a document, no matter how it is transmitted, it is subject to open records. The NCAA claims it will be tougher to get people to testify in future cases. That may be true. But full disclosure of how the NCAA conducts its business overrides that concern.

 

4. Who will call Phillip Fulmer first? How about Louisville? After a posting on my recent meeting with Phillip Fulmer, the former Tennessee coach, several peopled asked where he could potentially land if he gets back into coaching. Fulmer made it clear that he wants to go somewhere that has made a commitment to compete for conference championships. I would suggest that you keep an eye on Louisville, where Steve Kragthorpe has really been struggling (11-23) since he took over for Bobby Petrino. The Cardinals have a chance to get off to a rocky start with road games to Kentucky and Utah followed by a home game with Pittsburgh in the first five weeks. If Kragthorpe doesn’t show some improvement early, don’t be surprised if Fulmer gets a call. Would he take it? I don’t know. But he could certainly win that league in 2-3 years.

 

5. Was Charlie Ward better than Tim Tebow? This comes from our friends at the Orlando Sentinel and it is a fascinating debate. Florida State coach Bobby Bowden, like most coaches in the South, has been asked if Florida’s Tim Tebow has a chance to be called the greatest football player of all time. Bowden told the Sentinel that he thought Charlie Ward, his 1993 Heisman Trophy winner, might have been better than Tebow. First of all, Coach Bowden is always going to stick up for Ward, who he really admires and likes.

Here are the stats:

CHARLIE WARD: 473-of-750 passing (63 percent), 5,747passing yards, 49 TDs, 22 INTs, 889 rushing yards, 10 rushing TDs

TIM TEBOW: 448-of-681 passing (65.8 percent), 6,390 passing yards,  67 TDs, 11 INTs, 2,037 rushing yards, 43 rushing TDs

It is a great argument today. But if Tebow plays on his third national championship team and/or wins a second Heisman Trophy, the argument is over. It’s Tebow.

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191 comments Add your comment

Saint Simons

August 21st, 2009
9:02 am

45 – 42 !!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Chris

August 21st, 2009
9:15 am

Tony,
The Auburn thing strikes me as a take off on HBO’s Hard Knocks. I personally find that type thing fascinating and will look forward to watching but I have to assume they have control over final editing? If they had filmed last year with some of the things Tony Franklin has discussed, I have to believe it would have been quite a soap opera.

Frank

August 21st, 2009
9:17 am

45-42 was an aberation!Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then! kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Walk-On

August 21st, 2009
9:19 am

Tony,

Not trying to stir the pot but from what I understand, isn’t the real issue is if Butler was sharing his revenue with Brown?

Phiuk Yu

August 21st, 2009
9:20 am

Why is everyone making such a big deal about Bowden’s comment re Tebow vs Ward? Clearly, he’s biased, he coached Ward. I’m not saying Bowden is right or wrong. I’m simply saying Bowden is old school, and his comments should be taken with a grain of salt. The media (ESPN) has run with the comments, and have manufactured it into some kind of major news story. I’m not an FSU fan but respect & admire what Bowden has accomplished at FSU. The media love to take these stories to the extreme – disappointing.

joe

August 21st, 2009
9:20 am

Concerning Bryce Brown, this is what happens when you have a desperate program that wants to get back to the top too quickly. They tend to cut corners. They knew what they were getting into.
After Brown’s visit to Baton Rouge, LSU did a quicker backstroke than Michael Phelps to get away from this guy.
Additionally, anyone else find it odd that a 5 star homegrown player from La. that had been committed to LSU for over a year at the very last minute & a day after national signing day with barely a relationship with their coaches switches his committment to Tennessee.

JWalker

August 21st, 2009
9:22 am

I’d be shocked if Fulmer still possessed the drive to guide a program to sustained success. I’m talking about putting in 12-14 hour days for 3-5 years. No doubt the guy still knows football and how to structure a team, but you also gotta grind out the hours to make it all happen. I predict that if he gets back in, he fizzles out by the 2nd season. Is his ego bruised enough that he sucks it up for 6 months or maybe even a year and works hard? Maybe. But this is still all about that bruised ego. Guy is in his late fifties and has made millions, he aint got the stomach for work anymore. I’m sure Fulmer or someone close to him said, “Hey, Tony, do us a favor and float this trial balloon.” Obviously, Tony obliged.

Jim

August 21st, 2009
9:24 am

I wonder how Mike Slive feels about Brown signing with Tennessee after he explicitly told Kiffin not to sign the kid (and he told LSU the same thing, which is why they backed off right before signing day). Good job, Kiffy.

GeoffDawg

August 21st, 2009
9:24 am

Auburn will probably get some good and some bad out of it. In their disadvantageous situation in the state, they can certainly use the exposure. At the same time though, to make the show compelling and interesting for the average viewer, negative issues and incidents will likely be shown out of context or given too much exposure in an effort to create drama. Overall, it’s probably worth a shot.

utfaninga

August 21st, 2009
9:25 am

Joe, wake up and READ the article. TN cut NO corners in recruiting Bryce Brown. This is an accusation that happened between his sophomore and junior years and is yet another example of the NCAA attempting to wield power. What is NOT mentioned is that numerous other athletes were involved in this trip, and NONE of them are being invesitgated. The NCAA picks and chooses its battles and often goes after high profile recruits. Again, UT did NOTHING wrong in this situation. At MOST he gets a 2 game suspension and this is all over with.

JB

August 21st, 2009
9:27 am

NO one cares about TECH…..please go back your blog and talk about your up coming struggles with Duke, Virginia, Gardner Webb Etc and the problem of how loud you band sounds with only 30,000 nerds sitting in the stands with tweed sport coats on sweating in that heat wishing you had a cross word puzzle to work at half time about load structures in a high rise, eating your free pizza and bragging about how easy it is to get tickets and park and No traffic getting out after the game, but pretty bored because there are no women to look at, but how you’ve come to admire Muslim game day wear.

Whiny Dan Magill

August 21st, 2009
9:31 am

eraseeraseeraseeraseeraseeraseerase…….

Not Disappointed

August 21st, 2009
9:32 am

Fulmer deserves a second chance but Louisville? What if they have a real good season? Oy!

Time will tell for Auburn. The jury is still out!

I feel for Bobby Bowden. It maybe time to go to the dog track or race track and watch horses.

The UT has enough aggravation with it’s “Head Coach” than deal with Byrce Brown problems.

Tim Tebow is a God of College Quarterback, but not the World. “And Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus. He’s quarterback for the Florida Gators!” Sorry Charlie Ward can compete. Good weekend all and “Mr. College Football’s mom in Union Point.

Ramblin Wreck!

Volman

August 21st, 2009
9:37 am

Joe, you are STILL bitter about losing Janzen Jackson to Tennessee? Get over it.

This whole “I told you so” stuff has got to end. It all happened Brown’s SOPHOMORE year of high school. Tennessee wasn’t in the picture then. They aren’t “taking chances”. He’s been able to practice. If he gets in trouble at all, it’ll be one or two games.

We’re not talking Reggie Bush problems. Let’s not blow this out of proportion.

JB Fool

August 21st, 2009
9:41 am

NO one cares about UGAY! Get your butt off this blog if you can’t take the heat son. Please tell me how the Mutts are going to “Destroy” the cowboys in stillwater. That’s hilarious. Keep the jokes coming. Esp how your going to whipe the floor with the Gators and Jackets. Give me a break. Take a breather and put down the red bull. UGA sucks, past, present, future.

Denny Moore

August 21st, 2009
9:42 am

First off, I am looking forward to a new coaching era at Auburn. I feel an intensity there that I have not felt since the Pat Dye era. I am a little skeptical of the Auburn TV show – hopefully it will have that serious overtone to it that the old Auburn Review with Pat Dye used to have. War Eagle!

Howard

August 21st, 2009
9:46 am

It seems that so many people out there in the media community, like the over-rated NFL analyst Mel Kiper want this guy to fail…and I cannot stand it! I’m no Gator fan but I am a Tebow fan and I hope he makes all these gloomy gus folks eat crow. Charlie Ward was a great QB but he wasn’t a Tebow. And yes, Mel Kiper, you boring, bad hairstyle dolt, Tebow can play QB in the NFL!!! You don’t like him or Colt McCoy because they’re good Christian kids. Kiper probably put out this latest rumor that Ward was better than Tebow!

Saint Simons

August 21st, 2009
9:49 am

(((((45-42)))))hahaha and we had a great Tickle Pile on their Campus!!!!!!!

Jack G.

August 21st, 2009
9:50 am

Hey JB—what got your panties in a wad?

Go Gators

August 21st, 2009
9:50 am

The U.S. News & World Report college ratings are out today, and Georgia schools retained their rankings from last year for the most part.

I think the rankings influence where students go to college. (I also think many students are influenced by the “Colleges that Change Lives” franchise.)

Many people dismiss college status as a factor, but there’s evidence that where you go to school impacts how much you earn.

PayScale Inc., which compiles compensation data, says the median starting salary for Ivy League graduates is about 30 percent higher than that of liberal-arts college graduates. However, the study doesn’t address whether that pay differential is the result of a better education, or simply because the Ivies attract higher-achieving students in the first place. (I would also ask whether the Ivies attract better connected kids; it’s easier to end up at Goldman Sachs if your mother worked there.)

In its 2009 report, PayScale says the median starting salary for a University of Georgia graduate was $43,900, compared to $60,00 for a Harvard grad, $58,900 for a Georgia Tech grad, and $50,600 for an Emory grad.

I am sorry to report that PayScale also lists degrees that pay you back and teaching and journalism offer some of the lowest returns. The big money is in the STEM fields; science, technology, engineering and math.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
9:52 am

Walk-On, yes, that’s part of the issue (it’s my understanding). The thing about this case is that Butler took a van full of prep athletes around the country to visit colleges> They earned money to finance the trips by doing fund raisers.I’m puzzled that the NCAA seem to be only focusing on Brown even though all the kids Butler was taking from town to town was involved in fundraising activities. In any case, it appears Brown will miss no more than one game, if that and pay back what ever “extra benefits.

Demi Moore

August 21st, 2009
9:53 am

Denny,

Did Pat Dye ever find his pants?

JB

August 21st, 2009
9:55 am

Ok Fool…………..Tech had a good year….lot of good stuff happening……But for the life of me why can’t ya’ll sell ( or have to refund) out of season ticket packages. Where is the demand for this product…All we hear is how much MONEY Tech folks have , but won’t support the program by buying tickets and filling that place up. Where is the proof you are back…..a 3 point garbage win over Richt’s worst team in 5 or 6 years. Typical ACC type team support, luke warm at best. Walk up at game day to buy tickets. Hell, look at Carolina the couple of years before Spurrier came, losing 6 to 8 games a year, but SELLING THE PLACE OUT ! They’re called FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are pathetic.

Otto

August 21st, 2009
9:56 am

Tony is correct even if UT did nothing wrong they do not need the Brown media circus. If Slive did tell schools to back off Brown it will come back around from the SEC in some way. Lane can make enemies with coaches and fans from other schools but the SEC front office is another matter.

mightyKC

August 21st, 2009
9:59 am

who cares, it’s bowden’s opinion! what if herschel only played on season, but in that season ran for 40 TDs and 200 yards? say he never played again due to injury. is the guy who played 4 years that had 3K yards and 50 TDs automatically better?

same can be said about how stats don’t translate between eras. spurrier was probably a better QB than jared lorenzen, but maybe lorenzen had better stats (i have no idea, but you get the point)

of course the subjective “who’s the best” usually comes down to objective stats, but there are other ways to determine this.

in next week’s AJC, “charle ward’s dad thinks charlie is better than tebow!”

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:02 am

Otto, Ut looked into the Brown matter extensively prior to offering Him a scholly and they were confident he did nothing wrong. Slive has no business telling UT or any other SEC school who to recruit and who not to recruit.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:03 am

ok, I took my medicine….should kick in in 10 minutes or so. I hope you guys a Tech have a good year.

Top Dawg

August 21st, 2009
10:05 am

Two items:

1. I think South Carolina may/should take a look at Fulmer.

2. Charlie Ward was nowhere near as good as Tim Tebow. To even suggest the comparison is laughable.

FactuAll

August 21st, 2009
10:05 am

Bama fan here, but have to agree with the Auburn decision. Chizik inherited a tough situation (reminds me of Shula’s first year at UA). I think that virtually anything he can do to keep Auburn’s program in the public eye will have more positive consequences than not.

I don’t see that he has many other options if he is to steal some of Saban’s thunder in recruiting.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:06 am

NCAA, a question, why aren’t you looking into Worlwide Wes and Nike and UT lost Josh Selby becuse we’re an Addidas school instead of a Nike school?

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:08 am

Top Dawg, Fulmer is done. He had is run in the nineties and ran UT’s program into the ground after that. Cutcliffe is not around to bail him out anymore. Any school that takes even a passing glance at Fulmer is nuts.

Macon

August 21st, 2009
10:11 am

Dont know the football coaching situation at Memphis, but that would seem like a pretty good fit for Fulmer.

He’d still be coaching for another program in the state of Tenn, (maybe even help really build up the Memphis program) where, of course, he has lots of recognition, and would get lots of statewide fan support because Memphis and UT are not really state rivals. Kind of like how GA fans became big Ga Southern fans when Erk left GA to go to Statesboro.

Plus, if Fulmer is recruiting from Memphis, its even easier to go to the states of Ark, Miss, Ky, and Alabama to get recruits, which wont be helpful for teams the compete with UT in the SEC…like KY, Ole Miss, Miss State, Ark, Ky, etc.

If Fulmer went to Memphis, it would seem to be a really strong Win-Win scenario for UT, Memphis, and the whole state of Tenn.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:11 am

I think Charlie Strong ends up at Carolina. Coached there, well liked, good coach, but more than anything, can bring a ton of that talent and speed to Columbia with all those high school connections he’s made in Florida. That would make Carolina very tough in a couple of years.
Also , he’s overdue for a shot.

getthepicturenow

August 21st, 2009
10:12 am

“slive has no business telling UT or any other SEC school who to recruit and who not to recruit”. its getting comical ut fan. oh let me guess, the NCAA is out to get you? puh-lease! this kid was close to a profesional athlete in HS. don’t you find it odd that the “#1 recruit” would choose to go to a 5-7 team?? kids options dwindled down the stretch as more info came out on him. but congrats ut, he’ll fit right in with the other mis-fits you’ve welcomed with open arms…see convicted rapist Daniel Hood.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:14 am

But, as a Dawg fan, i would hope for Fulmer at Carolina over Strong.

DawginLex

August 21st, 2009
10:15 am

Fulmer to UVA.
Last time anybody did an inside look at a program was UK basketball with Billy G. Look how that turned out.
UT is not going to get into trouble over BB. Miss a couple of games at most and it’s over.
Tebow is florida’s Herschel. Ward won a Heisman and a questionable NT. There is no comparison really.

Mac

August 21st, 2009
10:15 am

Bryce Brown = Maurice Clarett. Good luck with that, Vols.

By the way, I think mama is preferable to momma, but that’s just me.

Smarter than you

August 21st, 2009
10:18 am

By the by, UGA fans did not become Ga. Southern fans. They stayed Erk fans. Big difference there, gnat eaters.

jumbeauxtiger

August 21st, 2009
10:19 am

1. I knew LSU had backed off on Bryce Brown. He may be a great player but he’s a distraction and this is a team game. LSU didn’t need another problem like Perrilloux. Agree or not that had an impact on LSU’s season last year.

2. First the limo and nowe this. No doubt Chizik is doing this for publicity(recruiting). Whether it pays off remains to be seen.

3. I’m glad the NCAA lost that ruling.

4. Fulmer will be coaching somewhere in 2010. I agree it may be Louisville but he cold wind up in the ACC at Virginia. I don’t see him venturing too far out of the south.

5. A factor not mentioned but certainly has been by Tony before is his leadership. Ward was a great player but I give Tebow the edge.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

SimpleDawg

August 21st, 2009
10:22 am

Beam me up, Scotty….there’s no intelligent life here….just stoopids.

Gen Neyland

August 21st, 2009
10:22 am

IMO, Kiffin and Tennessee did good for taking a chance with Brown. If the punishment for the high crimes committed are but a 1-2 game pine ride, that will be the price paid. This sounds more likely as if meant to punish Brown for the acts of adults some years ago. My interest is also raised on the ‘others’ mentioned but not named. If one really wants to read up on high crimes in college athletics, see (Tony Russell, Miami 1989-1994).

Barnhart sucks

August 21st, 2009
10:25 am

Another drive by posting for the laziest blogger at the AJC.

Bama Aaron

August 21st, 2009
10:26 am

1) UT doesn’t need the Brown headache, but as a Bama man I’m laughing at their whole situation right now. Karma bites…
2) AU’s decision to do the reality show is stupid. And it will not reach that many people…show of hands how many people actually watch CSS???? The distraction will do more harm than the exposure will do good.
3) Once again Karma bites…. Bowden has run a successful program, but never a clean program. It had to bite him eventually.
4) I could care less if Fulmer coaches again…he’s not relevant anymore.
5) Tebow is probably in the top 3 all time college football players. that debate is over.

Barnhart sucks

August 21st, 2009
10:27 am

Barnhart is awesome at posting the obvious. UT doesn’t want the Bryce Brown distraction? NO WAY! What great insight Tony!

Ron Mexico

August 21st, 2009
10:28 am

Ward was a better QB. Andre Ware was a better QB. David Klingler was a better QB. John Elway was a better QB. Tebow is a great PLAYER, and a winner. But I could come up with 10 other QBs I’d rather have slinging the pigskin if I needed a last minute 80 yd drive. No disrespect, but I’d definitely take Ward down 24-20 with 38 seconds on the clock and no time outs.

Steve Spurrier

August 21st, 2009
10:36 am

I’m here to tell you Tim Tebow is the best quarterback in the SEC this year … much better than Jevan Sneed. And, he’s the second best quarterback ever at Florida.

gatorman770

August 21st, 2009
10:36 am

1) Most teams with commonsense knew Bryce Brown would be disruptive to their teams.
2) It’s reality that I won’t be watching Auburn Tiger reality show anymore than I watch any other asinine reality show.
3) Too bad we can’t get full disclosure and openness in the Obama Whitehouse and administration that was a campaign promise.
4) Fulmer should work for Nutri-Systems while he’s waiting for a new coaching position.
5) Bobby Bowden’s lucky he took up coaching because he’s dumber than a 5th grader in statistics and simple math!

71 Dawg

August 21st, 2009
10:37 am

Tebow was only a sub on the UF National Champs as a freshman – please don’t give him credit for winning that one too!!! That belittles the rest of the UF team from that year.

ricardo

August 21st, 2009
10:39 am

Fulmer got into coaching by stabbing the previous coach in the back while in a hospital. He took his eye off the ball due to his OBSESSION with Bama and the NCAA issue. Remember that Fulmer was THE REASON that Bama was discovered to have made violations in Memphis. Along with Kramer, they both belong in the nut house.

dantheman

August 21st, 2009
10:39 am

Tony, last Saturday on CBSs College Football Preview show their Top 10 poll had Oklahoma #2, but when you 4 on the panel picked your BCS title game 3 of you did not have the Sooners in it? Why were they #2 then? It was a great show by the way. Really liked Danielson’s unique title game scenario.

sj

August 21st, 2009
10:44 am

Lane Kiffin = Bill Battle except Battle at least had some character and class.
One thing that has bothered me since Kiffin started acting the clown and claiming his adolescent behavior was all ‘engineered’; if it was all planned to get ‘godd publicity’ how come no other coach has behaved this way? All programs want publicity and success, right? The guy is a monkey…

Headbangers Vol

August 21st, 2009
10:46 am

It’s funny you know….The Gators didn’t even win so much as a conference championship till the mid nineties, and now they think they invented football….

WifeCallsMeAss

August 21st, 2009
10:50 am

Wouldn’t Tebows numbers look even better if they got some high school teams added to their schedule. Praising the greatness of the gators with the schedule they got is a joke.

CharlotteGator

August 21st, 2009
10:50 am

71 Dawg,

We wouldn’t have beat TN that year if Tebow didn’t play in that game. He was also the short yardage back the entire season. In the MNC game he threw the TD that iced the game right before the half. I’m not sure if by ’sub’ you meant he was a ‘bit player’. If so, I’d argue he was more than that and actually had a role on the team that he deserves credit for. Similar to the wideouts, weak side corners, and backup DT’s that gave us depth on a dominant line. Was he a star on that team? Absolutely not. Percy showed more flashes his freshman year than Tebow did. Would we have won the championship that year w/o Chris Leak? Absolutely not. I would argue, however, that Tebow was a sizable contributor on that squad. Just my 2 cents…

Paddy

August 21st, 2009
10:53 am

Fulmer to UVA, I like the sound of that. Good Southern boy going to the Capitol of the South!

CharlotteGator

August 21st, 2009
11:01 am

Headbangers Vol,

First official SEC title was in 1991. When do the mid-90’s start?

I don’t know what you want UF fans to say? Yeah we sucked for a long time. Won games once in a while against our rivals, but were not a consistent quality program for a long time. Father in law’s senior year squad was 0′fer/defeated. Only ‘perfect’ record in UF history. We started to win some conference titles in the 80’s later stripped due to blatant cheating. Any UF fans that don’t know or acknowledge this stuff would clearly be either misinformed or practicing winner’s history.

How should we act about our team after things turned around? We won the majority of the SEC titles in the 90’s w/ a MNC snuck in for good measure. The middle/latter part of this decade have been good to us. I’m not sure how the “Hey UF fans, football wasn’t invented in the 1990″ crowd wants us to act about our team. I’m not trying to be that guy or start a flamefest, I’m seriously curious as to how that crowd wants us to act? Aside from the idiot UF fans (which every other fanbase also has), I think most UF fans realize that our tradition/success is recent when compared to the Bama’s, ND’s, Mich’s, OSU’s, USC’s of the world.

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Atlanta Gator

August 21st, 2009
11:05 am

Headbangers Vol—-Actually, that would be the early nineties (1991, to be precise) for the Gators’ first SEC championship. No, the Gators did not invent football, but Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer sure as heck did change the way football is played in in the SEC. The days of winning the conference with a good defense and 250 yards of total offense per game are over.

Atlanta Gator

August 21st, 2009
11:06 am

Charlotte Gator—–That’s “sneaked.” There ain’t no such word as “snuck.”

gatorhead1013

August 21st, 2009
11:08 am

The only thing Charlie Ward is better at than Tebow is basketball.

gatorhead1013

August 21st, 2009
11:10 am

Nevermind the ‘84 and ‘90 titles that UF won on the field….eh Headbanger.

Florida = Dynasty

Otto

August 21st, 2009
11:18 am

UT96, I am not saying Slive has the right but he is in a place of influence. If Lane makes enemies with Slive due to this and other actions there will be consequences even if they are not obvious to those not working in the program every day.

Keep in mind one of Slive’s goals was to have every team in the SEC free from probation which he has done a very good job at. UT risking that may result in not getting the full amount of help from the SEC in dealing with the NCAA. Right or wrong life is politics and the more money involved the more politics.

Wally Gator

August 21st, 2009
11:19 am

I sure remember the old days.

Me & Grandpa would listen to the Gator games on the radio. John Reaves to Carlos Alvarez, Nat Moore and BEAUCOUP LOSSES!

Then we would sit out on his front porch & marvel at his bug-zapper, the first in town! Those were the days…

AtlantaTruth

August 21st, 2009
11:20 am

JB Fool…Go away little boy!…..You no nothing about college football. Who cares what you think…its clear that you like to see yourself in print…you probably look at yourself in the mirror all day long to.Isn’t a Bull Gator the same as a Bull Dyke?…..Hey Go Gators…isn’t doesn’t matter where you graduated from as long as your willing to work hard. I graduated from UGA and I’ve got five Tech graduates working for me. All they do all day long is wait to go home….no ambition at all.I’ve started replacing them with N.C.State grads….they work much harder and seem to be better prepared for the work place than Tech grads.

Caniac

August 21st, 2009
11:20 am

There is a reason Miami did not re-extend their scholarship offer to Bryce Brown despite the fact his brother is a current ‘Cane. Mainly, they were tired of his crap, tired of his handler and decided that they did not need to fawn over some 18-year old kid like groupie at a rock show. The kid’s bad news.

Matt

August 21st, 2009
11:24 am

By the way, some of you guys might have been right about Storm Johnson, RB Buford/Loganville/wherever else. Les Miles did not accept his commitment last month for whatever reason. Then a couple weeks later, Les accepts a commit from an Ohio Ath/RB and now, Storm has named a new top 10. It also looks like LSU is in the running with Auburn for Lache Seastrunk.

Les has been very smart with his recruits since comeing to LSU and after being burned by Perrilloux. He quickly cut the mis-fits Saban brought in and now LSU has had a pretty decent run without problems from the players. Hats off to Les for backing away from this potentially troubled player.

CharlotteGator

August 21st, 2009
11:26 am

Atlanta Gator – What? Ain’t no such word? Impossible. I can’t envision a scenario where entire populations of people use words that don’t actually exist. Your Merriam-Webster must be outdated, cuz they done snuck in a bunch of words you ain’t ne’er been esposed too.

NASCAR land is really starting to get to me…

FU Barnhart

August 21st, 2009
11:26 am

Eat a big one Barnhart!

Eric

August 21st, 2009
11:27 am

1. WGAS.
2. I think it’s a good idea. We’ll see. WDE!!
3. WGAS.
4. WGAS.
5. WGAS.
6. It’s time to stop drinking the Fox koolaid and support the President. We need healthcare reform now.

murfdawg

August 21st, 2009
11:31 am

To Go Gators:
I guess since Stafford and Moreno did not graduate, their millions will not be counted in the Payscale article.

Eric is a moron

August 21st, 2009
11:31 am

Eric, you’re an idiot. Anyone who thinks we should just mindlessly support the president is an incredibly vapid individual that clearly isn’t capable of meaningful thinking. Furthermore, anyone who thinks that the government is capable of running health care in an efficient and effective manner is too stupid to vote or procreate.

Atlanta Gator

August 21st, 2009
11:33 am

Comments in response to Tony —-

(1) No, Tennessee clearly does not need anymore distractions, no matter how small. When you recruit a player that has the baggage of a Bryce Brown, well, you know that there may be complications. If the complications are as Tony described them, it’s a small price to pay for needed talent on a team that is rebuilding. Frankly, I would be more concerned about the kid’s ego getting in the way of good team dynamics than I would about the present problem. He has a history of being a “me first” type.

(2) Doing a reality show in the midst of rebuilding a top-20 Division I football program? Really? Talk about your potential distractions. I guess someone decided the potential publicity upside out-weighed the potential distraction downside. I wouldn’t do it, but I don’t have Gene Chizik’s job, either.

(3) Actually, FSU officials were only allowed to view the documents on a secure website, without saving or printing them. This is a closer case under the Florida sunshine law than has been reported. It turns on the legal meanings of “delivered,” “recevied” and “possessed,” which frankly aren’t crystal clear in context. Florida case law errs on the side of disclosure, however.

(4) Louisville would not be a bad match, but Fulmer would need a good offensive coordinator to help satisfy the expectations of Cardinal fans. They’ve had good offenses under Petrino and Schnellenberger, and they expect better.

(5) Sorry, Bobby Bowden, but Ward vs. Tebow is not a real debate. Tebow has more passing yardage (6,390 vs. 5,747), twice the rushing yards (2,037 vs. 889), a higher completion percentage (65.8% vs 63.0%), more passing and rushing touchdowns (110 vs 59), and half the interceptions (11 vs 22) than those stats produced by Charlie Ward. Both won the Heisman and a national championship as the starter. Bottom line: Ward was a great quarterback and athlete, but his production does not equal that of Tim Tebow.

David

August 21st, 2009
11:34 am

Tony, please tell me Fulmer didn’t blow up your skirt and went to your head? Louisville has been down and doesn’t need to hire someone just to help out a bruised ego. He got fired for a reason. Is that title of “Mr Football” self proclaimed?

Barnhart sucks

August 21st, 2009
11:42 am

David – Barnhart is the definition of a lazy “journalist” that simply states the obvious. I have yet to read anything from him that is insightful.

Atlanta Gator

August 21st, 2009
11:43 am

Just found what I was looking for—-the pass efficiency ratings for Charlie Ward and Tim Tebow.

During the 1993 season in which Ward won the Heisman and his Seminoles won the national championship, his efficiency rating was 157.84. I haven’t found previous years yet, but I assume his senior year was his best.

Tebow’s pass efficiency ratings have been 201.71 in 2006 (back-up and special plays QB), 172.47 in 2007 (sophomore starter, won the Heisman), and 172.37 in 2008 (junior starter, won the national championship).

Ward was very good; Tebow is better.

Pago Flyer

August 21st, 2009
11:45 am

Word on the street…..Michigan may be looking for a coach in 2-3 years, so Fulmer may have a chance to get back into football.

Bill E. Goat

August 21st, 2009
11:51 am

Headbangers Vol-
So what if UF won their first conference title in 91? You trying talk smack about it just so show’s how jealous you are of their current success.

WifeCallsMeAss-
Another pathetic attempt to belittle someone you are jealous of accomplishments. Granted Uf’s schedule is lighter than usual this season but it hasn’t even been played yet.
Last season Tebow put numbers up against Miami, FSU, UGA, LSU, Bama and Oklahoma etc… and barely played beyond halftime vs. the scrub teams. In fact he played against NINE teams ranked in the top 35 in total defense last year.

In FACT there isn’t but ONE season in the PAST 10 you can say UGA had a better OOC schedule than UF did.

Got 12?

August 21st, 2009
11:52 am

In my opinion, filming Auburn’s reality TV show will be a huge distraction for the team during the most critical time of the year. But what do I care? If I had CSS, I’d watch the show.

War Eagle — original or extra crispy?

BS Patrol

August 21st, 2009
11:57 am

AtlantaTruth,
Riiight! You have 5 Tech Grads working for YOU? And I’m about to change the moon into green cheese.

wareagle

August 21st, 2009
11:58 am

I think MTV’s show on Hoover High was pretty successful and Friday Night Lights also; this could be good for recruiting.

jumbeauxtiger

August 21st, 2009
12:00 pm

Rich Rod is a solid coach and will turn Michigan around. Ohio State better enjoy their Big Ten ride while they can.

Bama certainly thought very highly of him.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

SANTA DAWG

August 21st, 2009
12:09 pm

HEY SAINT SIMONS, WHO WAS IT THAT PLAYED IN THE PEACH BOWL LAST YEAR AND WHAT WAS THE FINAL SCORE. PUT THAT BETWEEN 2 PIECES OF BREAD AND CHEW ON IT FOR A WHILE. MAYBE EVEN A YEAR. I BELIEVE IT WAS LSU. WHAT WAS THE SCORE ?

m

August 21st, 2009
12:19 pm

Simpledawg….the most dedundant internet handle in history.

Santadawg…we have been enjoying kicking your sorry arses so much that for some reason we didn’t mind the peach bowl that much…imagine that.

45-42…glad it STILL hurts so very much….and it is only the beginning..

m is a DA

August 21st, 2009
12:21 pm

dedundant

What a moron, yeah m really went to college

Big time?? Not

August 21st, 2009
12:26 pm

Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes

jacketbacker

August 21st, 2009
12:27 pm

keep at it saint simons!!….you’re getting to ‘em!!

45-42!!!!

THWG

Tide Rising

August 21st, 2009
12:35 pm

1) Bryce Brown- Every other year there seems to be a top recruit like Fred Rouse(#2 rated nationally) and Willie Williams(# 1 nationally) in previous recruiting years that becomes such an incredible distraction that they get booted as these 2 did because its just not worth their talent. The way the recruiting process played out with Brown it seems he’s just another kid with an outsized ego and narcissistic personality. I hope for his sake and UT that I’m wrong.

2) Auburn- I think the CSS Sports show is a great idea for Auburn. Auburn needs every advantage it can get. They have fallen way behind UGA, UF, LSU, Bama, and even UT in the recruiting wars and the talent level has slipped dramatically.

3) NCAA- Seems the NCAA is constantly losing lawsuit wars. Jerry Tarkanian took them for millions in a successful defamation suit, Rick Neuheisel took em down, Bama lawyers got them exposed for all their “secret witness” and secret documents that showed what a sleazy, corrupt organization the NCAA really is. And now FSU beats them in court. Bravo

4) Phillip Fulmer- Louisville may not be high enough profile for him but ND certainly is.

5) Tim Tebow vs Charlie Ward. Based on stats and championships Tebow wins hands down. Aint even close. He is truly one of the greatest qbs of all time as we at Bama found out in the seccg.

But then Tony gets carried away and asks rhetorically if Tebow is the greatest college player of all time? Nope. He’s not even the greatest qb of all time and his overall passing stats pale in comparison to a lot of qbs. How quickly people tend to forget that he plays with a supporting cast that is superior to just about any other team he will play in terms of pure talent. Still a great player though. Just not the greatest ever.

BP

August 21st, 2009
12:36 pm

MAC… I don’t understand the stupidity of some folks..

” Brown = Clarett”… are you a freaking IDIOT? Brown actually goes to class and currently has a 3.7GPA, Clarett what classroom?. Also I can assure you that you will not find Brown driving around k-town with illegal firearms in is car trunk…

Alphare

August 21st, 2009
12:42 pm

I am not UF fan, but the TBow comment is just insane. He shoulda won Heisman last year. So to me he is a 2-time Heisman winner already.

Heisman should never be given to an OK or Texas QB.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
12:45 pm

Tide Rising, I can’t believe I’m agreeing with a Bammer but you are spot on regarding your point #3 about the NCAA. Brian Bosworth said it best: NCAA stands for National Communists Against Athletes.

59bulldawg

August 21st, 2009
12:52 pm

1. Don’t care about Bryce Brown.

2. Don’t care about Auburn reality tv.

3. Care even less about the ruling in the Florida State case.

4. Finally something interesting. Fulmer will coach again and other
schools in search of coaches will kick themselves for not offering
him first. Fulmer’s a good coach and a decent man.

5. Ward better than Tebow? Are you kidding me . . . with another whole
year left for Tebow to add to his stats . . . stats I might add
which are already better than Ward’s. Tony the argument’s already
over! Ward was good but he’s not in Tebow’s league.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
12:59 pm

59BullDawg, Fulmer has done a major league snow job on you. He became a joke the last ten years at UT running our program in the ground. Any major program would be foolish to hire him.

David

August 21st, 2009
1:12 pm

Joe,

You’re an idiot. Janzen Jackson, who was born and raised and thought to be going to LSU, didn’t switch last minute to UT with no relationship in place. He’d actually been recruited for several months, from the time Lane Kiffin got on campus.

Futhermore, he went because he said he wanted to play for Monte Kiffin, and because he’s thought of himself for many years as a similar player to Ronde Barber, who plays cornerback for the Bucs, who was taught by the guy that is the new defensive coordinator for UT, Monte Kiffin.

And lastly, he said his ultimate goal isn’t necessarily to play in the NFL (even though he was the second ranked CB out of high school). He said his ultimate goal is to one day be a coach in the NFL — and he said after sitting down and talking about defense for five minutes with Monte Kiffin, one of the best DC’s to ever grace the game, he was completely sold on him.

So, yeah, I’m sure UT paid the guy. You’re a UGA fan, yes? Guessing that’s the case, since that would help explain your stupidity.

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August 21st, 2009
1:24 pm

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59bulldawg

August 21st, 2009
1:30 pm

UT96, Well one of us will find out who is right if someone gives him another chance, won’t we? I understand what Tennessee fans are saying about Fulmer and his reliance on Chavis and Cutcliffe. I know the view from the outside is always different but I stand by my comments. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it but hey man he recruited well and won you a championship . . . doesn’t that earn him at least a little respect?

Tide Rising

August 21st, 2009
1:31 pm

UT96,

I also forgot to mention that Jackie Sherrill filed a couple different lawsuits against the NCAA. He was completely exonerated against the NCAA in one case and I think that as of March of this year he still has a lawsuit pending against the NCAA.

Turns out the same investigator Johanningmeir who was proven to have fabricated evidence in the case against Bama also had lied to witnesses in the Jackie Sherrill case. He and the NCAA had also used private investigators to dig up dirt on Sherrill in his private life which of course should have had nothing to do with ncaa investigations into the MSU program.

In the Tarkanian case the NCAA had threatened a Sudanese player with deportation for his entire family back to war torn Sudan if he didn’t go along with fabricated evidence against Tarkanian. In Tark’s lawsuit he whipped the NCAA badly in one suit and in the other the NCAA had to pay him 2.5 million for a pattern of harassment spanning 20 years. You cannot make this stuff up.

Bosworth was right on and if they have a chance they will torpedo someone just because they can and because this organization has no accountability. They are answerable to no one and that is the problem.

athensdawg

August 21st, 2009
1:36 pm

If this works for Auburn, it will give us just what we need….reality shows for all NCAA programs.

More mindless drivel that the zombies can fret about….

“Wow….did you see that tape job that so and so had on his hand? Does that mean that we will win a national championship?”

Before too long, we’ll be voting for starters via an american idol like format.

Somewhere, Edward Gibbon must be enjoying the modern day Roman Circus that is the internet.

LONG DAWG

August 21st, 2009
1:41 pm

M what hurts is supporting a perennially mediocre football program that never wins 10 games in a season, never goes to a BCS bowl, never wins a conference championship, can’t fill a small stadium and has fans like you. So you must be in a lot of pain all the time. Our pain wa only temporary. UGA had 531 yards of offense aginst a teck team with three guys who went to the pros. They are gone and so is your defense. You will have lost at least 3 before we visit and by then you’ll be back in the hole you craweled out of.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
1:58 pm

59BullDawg, Honestly, he deserves no respect for three reason(s): 1)The way he got the UT job to begin with 2)Playing the whole cloak and dagger bit with the NCAA (and trust me I’m no Bama fan but he should have stayed out of it) and 3) he refuses take any responsibilty for the last ten years (if you listen to him, he always blames someone else).

Sure, we won a national title in ‘98 but I contend it wasn’t because he was any kind of great gameday coach. We won because (with the exception of Florida) we simply had more talent than the other teams we played. He could recruit early on at UT, I would argue because in the nineties, we were catching some major programs in a down period for most of the decade. Bama, UGA, LSU, etc. and because of that we were able to go into those states get some damn good players: Jamal Lewis, Deion Grant, Peyton Manning, etc. Also, we had Rodney Garner for a couple of years which helped. When that talent was equall, more often than not we lost.
So what happened: Fulmer got complacent and lazy. We were running the same offense since the 80’s, the above schools upgraded their talent and coaching while we (UT stayed the same). Fulmer also refused to hire the best staff members he could find choosing loyalty over talent. He started missing on a bunch of recruits. In any case, if Fulmer takes over any program, he will have a very average record nothing more.

Mac

August 21st, 2009
2:03 pm

Bryce Brown = Maurice Clarett/Lawrence Phillips

BP = Big P#$$&

CharlotteGator

August 21st, 2009
2:10 pm

UT96,

Great post. All excellent points from the inside perspective not many of us would have or even think about. Thanks.

Lenny in Ludowici

August 21st, 2009
2:23 pm

How long did it take them the NCAA to investigate and come out with a statement? How long has it taken for the NCAA to let us know what’s going on with the U$C/Reggie Bush investigation?

Here’s an interesting article: http://cfbwizard.com/2009/08/21/breaking-college-football-news/

BIG BEE

August 21st, 2009
2:29 pm

JB, you forgot to add in HOW ATHENS WAS WON , last Nov, and how GT will win the hearts of UGA’s fans in Nov. 09. How could you cut down a bunch of 0-1 star football players coached by a chubby guy, using a high school offense in a half full 52K stadium, that knocks off their instate rival who is always higher ranked, full of 5 stars, good-looking coach, supported by many vocal fans, but so far have been unable to beat CPJ. Think about it!!!

AURules

August 21st, 2009
2:33 pm

Tebow is 10 times better than Charlie Ward, who was a mediocre passer a good but not great runner. Tebow can do it all and is much better leader. If there was no bias in the voting, Tebow could have won 3 heismans.

Bored will all SEC

August 21st, 2009
2:36 pm

Are you going to write something about the ACC again? You focus too much on just the SEC.

Tide Rising

August 21st, 2009
2:38 pm

Lenny,

Interesting article. As usual it looks like the NCAA is back to their usual NAZI tactics. Why are they investigating Bryce Brown’s whole life and childhood. What the hell is that all about? Business as usual for the ncaa when they want to get someone.

The 2nd big point in the article is that the NCAA has known for some time about Bryce Brown’s and his trainer/handler, the fund raising, and all of that stuff. According to its own rules the NCAA is supposed to step in and warn either the player and or the university recruiting him of possible violations and malfeasance. Instead the NCAA is doing the exact same thing they did in the Bama case. Rather than informing UT of the problem or potential problems they knowingly let the problem continue so that they can later go after Brown and or UT. I’ve seen this one before.

As for Reggie Bush nothing will come of it. Doesn’t anyone out there think its odd that when it comes to probation and sanctions that the sec is the only one of the bcs conferences constantly getting nailed? Is the sec that dirty and every other bcs conference that squeaky clean?

59bulldawg

August 21st, 2009
2:48 pm

UT96, all good points I concede. I wasn’t crazy about that whole Bama/NCAA thing either! Also most coaches would be guilty of riding a good thing (offense) as long as possible. After all if it ain’t broke, why fix it? But I think you’re right about a down cycle and that in the last 8-9 years other teams began catching up with them. But at least give the man some credit for bringing it all together . . . Consider this . . . in 17 seasons at Tennessee, Fulmer compiled a 152-52 record. That’s an average of 9 wins a season (yes I know we in the SEC expect more but many ADs would give their left nut for such a coach). . . winning 75% of his games . . . taking the Vols to 15 bowl games and winning 8 of them . . . and leading his teams to 8 top 25 finishes, 6 top 10 seasons, and 1 national championship. I know we in the SEC expect a lot from our coaches, but any way you cut it these stats speak for themselves. And if this is complacency . . . what could he do if motivated to show that he can still do it . . . which you know he will be if he ever gets another chance. Like I said if he does coach again and flops, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong. But somebody out there is going to see these stats and come to the same conclusion. The man knows how to coach!

Lord have mercy, what’s the world coming to . . . a bulldawg defending a Vol coach from one of the Vol faithful! LOL!

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

August 21st, 2009
2:51 pm

Just my 2 cents worth, Atl Gator, as a Ga Fan I have grown up believing that H Walker was the best college football player I would ever see. After this year I may have to change my mind. Good luck to the Gators until TWLOCP

59bulldawg

August 21st, 2009
2:58 pm

UT96, I forgot to add that I can’t speak to how he got the job to begin with because I just don’t know. Did he give Majors the old dagger in the back? I also plead no contest to knowledge about hiring UT assistants. Not being a Tennessee fan or alum I just don’t follow the program that closely.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
3:01 pm

59BullDawg, your points are well taken. I’ll say this: if he will surround himself with a quality staff and allow them to do their jobs. He will have some success.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
3:06 pm

59BullDawg, the Majors thing was much more complex than “a dagger in the back” but let’s just say he took to kicking a man while he’s down to a whole new level. To be honest, he (Majors) made some enemies with the wrong people (high powered boosters, the university president, and Doug Dickey). One thing Fulmer was good at was kissing enough of the right rear ends, Majors wasn’t.

T'ville Dawg

August 21st, 2009
3:18 pm

Maybe just maybe Kiffin and the new Auburn regime are after all two of a kind, and has all the runny mouth Kiffin stuff died down now?

GT

August 21st, 2009
3:24 pm

This hurts like hell to say but the best football player I ever saw on the field in person and I have seen all the above is Herschel Walker. He is absolutly the only player Tech ever played against that I felt totally changed the game, against Tech. I knew those years going to the stadium we were going to lose. We had Ward and FSU by 21 point in the fourth quarter with Bill Lewis, so what is the big deal there. Tim Tebow lost to Mississippi last year at home, you remember Walker every losing like that.

V26

August 21st, 2009
3:39 pm

I can understanding Rising Tide’s obvious discomfort with the NCAA. If the SEC headquarters was not located in Birmingham and staffed by Alabama people (who spend their time protecting Alabama from the NCAA), Alabama would have had the death penalty on more than one occassion.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
3:43 pm

GT, I agree: Tebow is a great player, maybe the best player in the last ten years, no doubting it. But, without Tebow, Florida is still a very good team; UGA without Herschel would have been an average team,IMO.

dawes

August 21st, 2009
3:43 pm

stain simon all i heard since that georgia georgia tech game is 45to 42 i did not hear anything from you thou 7 years in aroll that ga won where were you during thou 7 years it just one game

Atlanta Truth

August 21st, 2009
3:47 pm

And I have a small penis.

GT Brill

August 21st, 2009
3:49 pm

Tebow, Walker, Ward……whatever. The greatest college player I ever saw was…..Reggie Ball.
Running out the back of the end zone, having hissy fits. Throwing the ball away on 4th down. I am thinking they will waive the 5 year rule and put him straight into the Hall of Fame.
“Bear” Gailey can present the award.

GT Brill

August 21st, 2009
3:52 pm

…and I really am a Tech fan, just adding a little brevity.
My two cents, Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson stand out to me as the greatest college players I ever saw. But Deion Sanders in college was pretty incredible, too.

Tim Teblow

August 21st, 2009
4:03 pm

Tebow is awful. He’s not the best player in college football and to say that is idiotic! He is better than Charlie Ward. I’ll give him that. But if Tebow didn’t have Percy Harvin, he would not even have one national title and probably wouldn’t have won the heisman!

fishtales

August 21st, 2009
4:07 pm

V26-
Typical lying trash. Why is it UT96 and Tide Rising have tons of examples to back their opinions up, yet you just spout your typical “Bammerz cheetin” drivel and are out? Your credibility is sh.t.

Dunwoody Mom

August 21st, 2009
4:14 pm

As an Auburn alum, can the shame I feel for my alma-mater’s football program sink any lower?

DirtyDawg

August 21st, 2009
4:29 pm

Seems to me that the thing that Mr. Majors kissed a bit too much was the narrow end of a Jack Daniels bottle…then decided to talk with ‘high-powered boosters, the university president and Doug Dickey’…that’ll pretty-much get you fired anywhere.

As for Tennessee not needing the Bryce Brown aggravation, are you insane? You say that their recruiting of Brown is not the issue then you turn around and say that there was baggage associated with his ‘messy’ recruitment from the beginning…that other schools backed away because of it…but that UT felt that the ‘risk’ was worth it. My God man, if they knew it was messy and risky then they absolutely deserve every aggravation and hassle that comes their way. The kid was, apparently, using this guy as an agent in every sense of the word but ‘agent’, and that means he runs the risk of losing his eligibility…can you say Jack Manton?

General Feeling

August 21st, 2009
4:38 pm

Alabama LB slaps and chokes his girlfriend and is arrested by police. His coach looks the other way. That’s aggrevation, Tony. Where is the story?

Worm

August 21st, 2009
4:52 pm

No contest on Ward and Tebow…Ward was a 6 year player..Tebow a true senior..Ward went to a Tallahassee JC, then redshirted,then punted 2 years before ever starting at QB..

Tim Teblow is a DA

August 21st, 2009
4:55 pm

Tim Teblow,

Harvin didn’t even play in the SECC. It was pretty much Tebow’s show (& the Gator D) that won that game.

Try watching some games

Not Phil Fulmer

August 21st, 2009
5:11 pm

That was a pretty fair take on Bryce Brown except I would ad that the guy seems to be a good student. He pulled a 3.5 or 3.6 in high school and has matched it at UT thus far. He seems to have good character as well. Butler took a bunch of kids on trips just like Brown (some at the same time as Brown) and none of them are being punished or investigated even though they participated in the same activity and are now at colleges across the country. This is the kind of thing that gives the NCAA a bad name.

I don’t blame them for wanting to prevent football from becoming like basketball with the Worldwide Wes mess and street agents running around everywhere but they aren’t going about it the right way IMO. Shoe companies pour all kinds of money into AAU tournaments and no one says squat even though lots of funds are raised to send kids to the games to play. I guess it would have been alright if Nike were doing it? Are they going to go after all of the bake sells and car washes that people use to raise money to send kids to camps? The whole thing is just absurd and sends entirely the wrong message.

Gen Neyland

August 21st, 2009
5:17 pm

Dirty Dawg : Apparently, the Brown incident will be just a minor inconvience. The blocks building the future are taking place. Won’t happen overnight and Tennessee has to take a few risks, but you know what they say, The bigger the risk the greater the reward…Hey, they can’t all be Tebow’s…

bug

August 21st, 2009
7:15 pm

JB, glad you feel better. How are you going to act coming back from Still Waters?
…..still wondering why dogs start with a ranked team. Look at your SEC big brother..FL..they play a stable full of cupcakes just so they will be fresh for Jax.

Bama linebacker slaps and chokes girl

August 21st, 2009
7:26 pm

General feeling,

Knowing the facts of the case regarding the bama linebacker might help. He didn’t “choke” the girl. Nor did he slap her. In fact, she slapped him because he was talking to another girl so I don’t know where on earth you get the idea that he slapped her or that he choked her for that matter.

An argument then ensued and he pushed her and grabbed her and he held her by the forearm. A campus policeman who was going by on his beat saw the whole thing and simply arrested both of them.

And for what its worth the girl’s father spoke out the next day and said the whole thing was her fault for slapping him and that when he held her it was to keep her from slapping him yet again.

Either get your facts straight or quit with the bald faced lying. Slapping and choking her my azz!

Bama linebacker slaps and chokes girl

August 21st, 2009
7:28 pm

And another thing you dang fool. When you check out her mug shot the girl has a smile wider than the Mississippi. No bruises, swollen eyes, lips, or noses, no marks on her neck where he supposedly “choked” her you worthless lying sack of sh_t!

David Smith

August 21st, 2009
7:43 pm

I’d take My chances with Brice Brown,He’s a great talent. I think Tennessee still goes 8-4 with or without Him.

hugedawgfan

August 21st, 2009
7:47 pm

hey, utfaninga, if TN and Brown did nothing wrong, why do you say he probably gets a 2 game suspension? Nothing wrong=NO suspension

poopdawg

August 21st, 2009
9:12 pm

ut 96 i agree with your accessment of Fulmer, never took responsibility when the chips were down, and would throw anybody ( players and assistant coachs) under the bus to defray any negative attention toward him. The Brown deal sounds silly , no games should be lost for someone helping kids. Has any body checked out David Oku’s highlights out on youtube? That kid is ready to play day one. Not as big as Brown but will be a player. Barnhart get out of Fulmer’s azz!

unemployed

August 21st, 2009
9:14 pm

College football, there are no sure things. Bring on the upsets.

DirtyDawg

August 21st, 2009
9:48 pm

Hey guys, unless this whole thing is total BS, the issue is did this Butler guy act in any way that could be construed as an agent, which since before the days of Hershel, the New Jersey Generals, Donald Trump and Jack Manton, has been a no-no. If, as was said, the kid and his ‘rep’ did nothing wrong, then his eligibility shouldn’t be in question; however, if he/they did, and they still let him play, then I say the NCAA should award Hershel Walker another year of eligibility and let him break the all-time rushing record for ever and ever.

Jeff

August 21st, 2009
10:01 pm

Tony–the argument is already over, just look at the stats. Plus, Tebow has another year.

Tebow will end up with 4000 more passing yards, close to 2000 more rushing yards and 40 more touchdowns. I loved watching Charlie Ward play, but there is no comparison between the two.

By the way Vol fans, welcome to the Lane Kiffin era. Get used to almost all your publicity being negative and non-football related. I wonder if Lane understands that there’s a difference between fame and notoriety?

dawgstephen

August 21st, 2009
10:13 pm

jumbeauxtiger

August 21st, 2009
10:28 pm

Maybe the Bama LBer was guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time but Saban will discipline this guy for bringing distraction and negative attention to the program. You can bank on that.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

DBCOOPER

August 21st, 2009
11:26 pm

Tebow is good… never would I discriminate against an alternative lifestyle QB. Even though he couldn’t carry Herschel’s jock (though he may want too)

Gator Growl

August 21st, 2009
11:30 pm

Tony, I think the bigger underlying story regarding Bryce Brown is how Lane Kiffin has drawn the attention of the NCAA with of his antics, from mentioning Browns name on sports radio to other secondary recruiting violations. Kiffin not only has made brash moves and statements, but has also declared that these have been “intentional” in order to hasten the revival of the Tennessee program. Personally, I believe that Kiffin is just trying to save face for the many dumb initial mistakes he has made on a job that sometimes seems to be a bigger bite that he can chew. But regardless, I think he has raised the ire and a big red flag with the NCAA brass, and I am sure that they were not pleased at all with his disregard of the rules. Don’t think for a moment that Mike Slive’s warnings about possible punitive action on future violations was not aimed directly at Lane Kiffin…

dawg man

August 21st, 2009
11:36 pm

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dawg man

August 21st, 2009
11:37 pm

GT the scum of college football-hahahahahahahahahah!

Gator Growl

August 21st, 2009
11:41 pm

Also, I look at Auburn and I don’t know if I disagree with their approach. For one, they are vastly overshadowed by Nick Saban and Bama within their own state plus there is a perception that they are starting to fall behind many other teams in the conference. I think that the only way they reclaim Auburn football is to be innovative and different while maintaining integrity (unlike the Vols). I believe that to a large degree , they are making some inroads. Of course with both AU and UT, only time will tell, but for now my money is on the Plains…

SuperB

August 22nd, 2009
12:48 am

I like Tebow. Have since he was in high school. But he isn’t even rated the top QB among potential draft pix and he did not win the Heisman last year, Bradford did. Tebow is NOT even the best player to play in the SEC, so there is NO WAY he is the best college FB player ever. Remember this is a TEAM sport, not an individual one and no one player wins or loses games for a team.

carey

August 22nd, 2009
1:29 am

11 – 23 at louisville he’s only been a coach there for 2 years . 17 games a year?

Miles

August 22nd, 2009
2:31 am

As long as Kiffin is at UT there will be aggravation…the court made the correct decision in the Florida State case…Auburn should have avoided the reality television bit, i.e., victories will bring in recruits quicker than any other method…I’d prefer to see Fulmer in the Big 12 (Texas A&M, the ACC (Virginia), or at Notre Dame…coaching at Louisville would be a step down relative to his competency…Tebow is better than Ward already and he’s only played three years…enjoy your weekend, Mr. Barnhart!

Gator Mike

August 22nd, 2009
9:15 am

I remember watching the circus in Knoxville when UT ran Bill Battle out of town to get Johnny Majors from Pitt. Battle was a superb coach and a class guy. I believe he played for Bear at Bama, but UT wanted their favorite son at that time in Johnny Majors.
The Gators were awful during those years, but UT was very good under Bill Battle. Why a class school with rabid fans would hire a jerk like kiffin still amazes me. The UT AD must have been hitting too muck Jack and Coke when he made the hire. That is UT’s problem, but the SEC doesn’t need a clown like kiffin. SEPT 19 in the Swamp should be fun.
Go Gators!

chazzo

August 22nd, 2009
9:36 am

Auburn already has a reality tv show. It’s called the Saban Spy Tapes.

Frankly, I always liked Bowden, but it’s time to retire. That being said, he does not deserve to have 14 games stripped for a self-reported violation where players were punished.

To all the UF fans who rag on us about still talking about Herschel, don’t think you won’t talk about Tebow thirty years from now. I mean, heck, you still talk about Kerwin Bell. Speaking of Herschell 5289 yrds., 49 TDs, 9 games over 200 yds. I think he has to be in the discussion regarding best college player (even if it is kind of a worthless discussion).

dawghater

August 22nd, 2009
10:08 am

Mike Slive told Lane Kiffin not to sign Bryce Brown? Source?

dawghater

August 22nd, 2009
10:13 am

Dirtydawg is the biggest inbred idiot UGA fan in history. Fool.

Bama fan

August 22nd, 2009
10:13 am

Neutral perspective. Tim Tebow is truly a great player but for my money the greatest SEC player of all time is Herschel. Herschel is the only player ever that scouts have talked about could have gone straight from high school to pro football. Tebow the scouts say will be anywhere from a 3rd to 5th round draft pick if they even draft him to play qb. They’re talking fullback or tight end since he doesn’t have the arm strength and zip on the ball that other qbs have. He is accurate but just doesn’t throw the bullet that you need to be able to throw in the pros for the deep out.

You can’t say that about Tebow who only played spot duty as a freshman. Tebow is not even one of the greatest qbs of all time. His passing stats are average compared to lots of great qbs. Granted that he also runs the ball a lot but there have also been other great spread qbs and option qbs like some of the great OU qbs from yesteryear that were much better rushing qbs than Tebow.

Tebow is neither a great passer nor a great runner. He is a good passer and a good runner playing on the most talent laden team in the country. That helps too of course.

So Gator fans don’t think I’m being negative. Tebow still a great player but I just don’t see him being up there with Herschel.

jw

August 22nd, 2009
10:19 am

UT96 – You are the first person who I have heard that views Phil Fulmer EXACTLY how I see him! I also commend the fact that a UT fan can see things CLEARLY. Way to go.. Are you sure you are not a GA fan in disguise? joking.

Saint Simons

August 22nd, 2009
10:32 am

I love it when m mounts me from behind.

He’s a backdoor man.

Gene

August 22nd, 2009
10:34 am

The HBO special on the Bengals is pretty interesting. I was surprised to see Tank Johnson back in Cinci. Can Odell Thurman be far behind? Does anyone know when the Auburn program will air?

Denver Dog

August 22nd, 2009
10:36 am

UT took a chance, I hope the kid is OK and turns out to be a good person, we know he is a good ball player.
Court rulings, I think that it is wonderful to start showing the items on these reports and that they should be public records, I agree with the judge.

Reality show, who cares?

Ward vs Tebow, toss up now, Tebow is set to go in a league by himself where great players have gone. Walker, Butkus, Nigurski, Namath,

I hope that Fulmer get a job if he wants to coach. 4 million, not going to happen, major school, may happen, think about it this way; Jimbo or Phil, that is a way to think. There are many smaller schools that would love him.

Timboy6

August 22nd, 2009
10:53 am

I’m a GA fan, but what in the world does Tech vs Ga have to do with this blog? There was nothing in the article concerning that!

Ryan

August 22nd, 2009
10:57 am

Barnhart is a freiken idiot.
1. Bryce Brown is not aggravating anything here in Knoxville, Barnhart, you consistenly bash the Vols because your so UGA bias, I am sick of tired of hearing you, along with your ajc boyfriends, talking about how Tennessee is going to be so horrible, only a max 3 or 4 win season, what are you all smokin I really want some. If you think UGA is going to finish second in the east like you have said recently in other articles, again you need to stay off the drugs, sorry but no way in hades does Joe Cox come in and play superman.

2. The Auburn reality show, I don’t see one problem with it, they are a struggling program, opening up the doors to camera coverage could really turn on the recruiting for the Tigers or War Eagles, or whatever you wanna call them.

3. Florida States ruling, I feel was not the right one, and even if it was, there’s no way you can take away the legend Bowden’s wins, he has worked hard for them, and I, myself respect him, a great coach that honestly knows his football that once again get screwed by the liberal NCAA, just like Joe Pa said, Give Bowden his wins!!!

4. Being a lifelong Volunteer, obviously it was sad to see, well let’s just say Phil get screwed, but once again, people keep looking past us and we will blast the SEC this year, be ready. As far as Phil’s career goes beyond Tennessee, I honestly don’t see Louisville on the list, they may be a flat contender but I see Phil making a nation wide shock, can you say Notre Dame, since, supposively Urban Meyer isn’t going there anymore after this year.

5. Is Charlie Ward better than Tim Tebow? Well, in one aspect, he is, and that is Charlie Ward is a quiet hard worker that keeps to himself, instead of being propelled to greatness by the media as they do to Tebow, like he is the godson of the SEC, Tebow is pathetic in my eyes, yeah they may win games, and he may win a heisman, but it is truly pathetic how in love the media is with this kid, why don’t they go ahead and get down on one knee and propose to the kid, haha, hope you have fun, Florida will not win the National Title this year my friends.

dawes

August 22nd, 2009
11:20 am

saint simon are you going to answer my question or you scare

dawes

August 22nd, 2009
11:22 am

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Nachos

August 22nd, 2009
11:57 am

Mark it down… ALLBARN will lose to Miss State in week 2.

Crue Fest 2: Party or die!

Duluth Gator

August 22nd, 2009
12:12 pm

I had to laugh on this one, Charlie Ward Better than Tim Tebow. From the numbers that were posted up top, Tebow has 25 less passes completed, 2.8% better completion, 643 more yards passing, 18 more TD passes, 1/2 the interceptions, 1,148 more rushing yards, and 33 more rushing TD, with one more year to play. From a Gator point of view, with decisions and comments like that I for one hope that Bowden stays at that school out in the panhandle of Florida for as long as he wants.

Gen Neyland

August 22nd, 2009
12:39 pm

Ryan : To be fair, Barnhart doesn’t bash. I don’t read him saying something negative if it isn’t deemed to be so and if he were to do so, he usually does it in a nice way…Now if you want Tennessee bias and bashing from the ajc, read some Bradley, King and Schultz. They’ll give you reason to pop your cork if your cork needs popping…

Angry Black Man

August 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm

BRING BACK TERRANCE MOORE!

Teboner

August 22nd, 2009
3:55 pm

You guys are all idiots. Tim Tebow is the greatest human being who ever lived. I can’t wait until Tebow season starts up as I’m sure there has to be something announcers haven’t rambled on about endlessly I can add to the tack board in my shrine.

Ray Goff

August 22nd, 2009
5:34 pm

Tebow is a great player but no way he is better than Ward…I cant believe people say that Tebow is a better passer..all he throws is screen passes..Ward ran a pro style offense and could make all the throws…I would say Tebow is a better runner though…what he does in the SEC is amazing considering the punishment that he takes…

DirtyDawg

August 22nd, 2009
6:24 pm

Gee dawghater…inbred, idiot, fool? If you would let me know just what breed of dawghater you are, I’ll show you some idiocy and foolishness that even you won’t believe.

Fact is, my comments were more directed at Barnhart and his assessment that UT wouldn’t bear any responsibility for the aggravation associated with young Mr. Brown’s recruiting even though they are the ones that decided to ‘risk’ going after the young man despite the ‘cloud’ surrounding him. Point being I’d just like to know if you’re upset that I’ve questioned Tony, Tennessee, or both.

ugablows

August 23rd, 2009
12:09 am

jb sucks my hariy balls

Gen Neyland

August 23rd, 2009
12:44 am

Besides trying to get Brown’s sentence reduced, what in George Dickels name should UT not do to try to help him..? At this point, Brown has done nothing wrong except trust adults…

p

August 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

Only a moron would believe there was even an argument who was better, Ward or Tebow. I cannot stand Tebow, but right there in your column, Tebow totally dominates rushing by over a thousand yards– it is not even close to being close, and he has far superior passing stats, and a year to go!

A fascinating argument? You are an incredible suck-up. Oh yeah, remember when Ward was drafted in the first round of the NFL draft? What???? He wasn’t even drafted??? LOL

dawghater

August 23rd, 2009
10:25 am

Because after 30 years you still have your head squarely planted up Herschel’s backside. Plus it’s just a joke dude. Maybe the fool part was a little harsh. My apologies.

Al Gore

August 23rd, 2009
10:58 am

Bring back PHILLIP FULMER

joel

August 23rd, 2009
11:14 am

ut96 jamal(drugdealer)lewis never beat uga.the main reason for the vols drop is because of rodney garner

ray ray

August 23rd, 2009
11:20 am

fla state in the panhandle? what an idiot

DirtyDawg

August 23rd, 2009
12:19 pm

dawghater…I suppose you expect me to accept your apology for the ‘fool’ thing, and live with the ‘inbred and idiot’ stuff. Sure why not, after all I still have that memory of ‘that (my God a) freshman’, as you say, ’squarely’ planting Bill Bates on ‘his’ backside (in case you didn’t realize it, when it comes to Tennessee and Hershel I wouldn’t use the term ‘backside’). Yes, I was there and it will remain my all time favorite Ga/Tenn event…way ahead of the fake punt (was there too) that gave the ‘vols’ an excuse to shoot Bill Battle’s dog and send a moving van to his house and slightly ahead of John Lastinger calling time out (there three) with ten seconds left in the ‘81 game so Georgia could score ‘one more time’ to make the final 44-0…that one really chaps my UT friends butts. So you see, I have a wealth of memories when it comes to whipping the ‘orange’ – by the way, do you know that Auburn claims that the difference in their orange and your orange is that yours was left out in the sun too long? – but Hershel will, indeed, remain forever – oh yeah, it won’t be thirty years until next season, which if the conference and UT are lucky will be Mr. Kiffin’s second and final one. He’ll prove to be an embarrassment and will be lucky if his wife doesn’t end up joining Bruce Pearl’s in that ‘Alimony’ (the salon) joint venture.

How’s that for idiocy?

Paul The Vol

August 23rd, 2009
12:26 pm

After watching Bryce Brown run in the scrimmage yesterday, we definitely need the aggravation. We haven’t had a back with that much speed and power since Jamal Lewis. When he hits you, you go backward. He is the real deal.

Atlanta Gator

August 23rd, 2009
12:48 pm

“p”—-In fairness to Charlie Ward, he was not selected in the NFL draft because it was well known that he intended to play NBA basketball after graduation, not NFL football. Given the value of high draft picks, would you wast a first, second, or third-round pick if you knew you would never sign the guy?

Notwithstanding that Tebow’s quarterback numbers are better, Ward was an outrageously good athlete. He’s one of those guys who could pick up a tennis racket, golf club or lacrosse stick and be competitive in a few weeks.

Atlanta Gator

August 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm

ray ray—-Uh, Florida State is located in Tallahassee, and Tallahassee is in the Florida panhandle. Please check Google, Mapquest or Yahoo on-line maps if you aren’t certain, but you can take my word for it—-FSU is in the panhandle. I’ve been there.

Duluth Gator

August 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm

Thank you Atlanta Gator for educating ray ray on a basic geography lesson.

Bulldog Joe

August 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm

Maybe if we can get Joe Cox to wear Bible verses on his cheeks like Brother Tim God will smile on us too.

I say its gay to be a Georgia Bulldog

August 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

I just reserved my tickets to the 2010 Music City Bowl! Gooooooooooooooo dogs!

djawjuh

August 24th, 2009
12:12 am

I’m wondering how the AP voters settled on Alabama and Ole Miss in the Top 10? Bama lost its QB and three OL that were top notch players. Ole Miss is an unproven entity, hasn’t been this high since Johnny Vaught coached. Bama’s lofty rating is, IMO, because of its coach, Nick Saban, not its talent. And I could make the same argument for Ole Miss except for the fact that they have a genuine NFLer in their QB and they beat the gators at florida field. Look for both to finish out of the top ten.

Jake

August 24th, 2009
7:18 am

Brilliant move by Auburn.

Joel Green

August 24th, 2009
7:20 am

Fulmer was good when Alabama was on probation and Georgia had Goff and Auburn was in trouble, but he was way second fiddle to a Florida program that lost a lot to FSU. His true ability was to recruit and simply outflank lesser talented teams. He was Jim Donnan but with a couple of lucky breaks.

[...] Tony Barnhart of the AJC writes that Tennessee does not need the Bryce Brown aggravation. [...]

dawghater

August 24th, 2009
9:08 am

Proving my point. You really are a typical idiot dawg. Par for the course. Some of my favorites were watching Jamal Lewis run all over your chihuahuas in Knoxville as a freshman. Yes. I was there. Aren’t you glad y’all decided to recruit Jasper Sanks? Morons! Hanging 51 in that dump of a stadium. Yes. I was there. The following year in Knoxville when it was 21-0 before the puppies even got their second first down. I was there too. The 9 consecutive wins, and the all-time series lead. Oh yeah and the year Robert Edwards was running wild in Knoxville only to get his wittle footy hurt and Dax Langley missed the field goal. Still have that ticket stubb too. In ‘96 watching Peyton teach Mike Bozo how to play quarterback. Yep. There too. Herschel running over Bates was classic. I’ll give you that, but you’re still just little ol’ Georgia. And that ain’t much my friend. Come back when you can stake a claim.

bcs stinks

August 24th, 2009
3:34 pm

Unless there is more to the story, the Bryce Brown is a non-story. It is not a distraction to the team, with the program as it is now, I don’t think they have time to be distracted. So far he has not shown his ego, he’s worked hard, and even keeping a 3.5+ GPA (OK, I know he probably wasn’t taking real difficult classe, but he’s still making his grades). If he missed the entire season it would still be worth the risk. This kid has all the tools to be something special.

Cards Fan

August 24th, 2009
4:25 pm

Carey- “11-23 at louisville he’s only been a coach there for 2 years . 17 games a year?” Good math, bad information- it should have been 11-13; 6-6 followed by 5-7. What makes it so hard to swallow is that those two mediocre years followed a 12-1 season topped off with an Orange Bowl championship that could have been better if we hadn’t sleep-walked through the second half at Rutgers to lose by 3. Like it or not, without that one bad half, a basketball school could have been playing Ohio State for the national championship (and given how OSU played in two straight butt- whoopin’s in national title games, the Cards might have won that game!).
Miles- “I’d prefer to see Fulmer in the Big 12 (Texas A&M, the ACC (Virginia), or at Notre Dame…coaching at Louisville would be a step down relative to his competency”- Sorry, Bud. Howard Schnellenberger came here to coach after leaving Miami- a team he had led to a national title or two- under a lot less duress than Fulmer was under when he left UT. He probably kept UL from dropping to D-II football and turned the program around 180 degrees. Fulmer is not too big to come to UofL, at least not figuratively speaking. (And with what our current coach has done, he’d sure have an easy act to follow!)

Frank

August 25th, 2009
10:23 am

Check that, Kragthorpe is 11-13 (not 11-23) in his two years at Louisville.

DirtyDawg

August 25th, 2009
11:25 am

dawghater,,,I had to come back, just one more time. The thing that has amazed me is that folks like you – obvious, long-time, UT fans – that know and appreciate the classy, winning, tradition at Tennessee – Neyland, Dickey, Battle, and Majors and Fulmer…SEC Championships, National Championships, All-Americans, All-Pros…all that, and you seem perfectly willing to go along with a young, smart-mouth, with nothing on his resume that should have qualified him for this job in the first place, that comes in there and decides that he’s got to act the fool in order to get people, and recruits, to pay attention. The thing about a company, an institution or a program is that you need to know what you stand for and, and assuming it’s of quality, stick to it. Instead Kiffin has come in and acted like the court jester and you folks have gone along with it. My question is how could you have allowed that, or, indeed, be proud of it?

Now you can resort back to the name calling…by the way, my Tennessee friends – and a couple of them are my all-time best – and I refrain from that particular form of ‘ribbing’ because we have too much respect for one another, our friendship and our respective institutions. But since I don’t know you, it doesn’t really matter now, does it? If you’ll bother to check back, you’ll note that I haven’t resorted to that particular form of banter – must be because I’m an inbred idiot and fool – maybe in the next life, or after the next UT/GA game, I’ll come around. I can always refer back to some of the language our Gator friends use on you guys – those are particularly derogatory.

dawghater

August 27th, 2009
2:41 pm

You are right DirtyDawg. I do apologize for the silliness I started. Totally uncalled for. We don’t have to see eye to eye but I should be able to at least carry on a civil conversation. I am sorry.
After the shape Coach Fulmer left our program in I’d say most folks were just ready for a big change. I’d say Coach Kiffin is just about as much of a polar opposite from Coach Fulmer as Mike Hamilton could’ve possibly found. Do I agree with everything Kiffin has said and done? Absolutely not. I just know that the aw shucks mentality of Coach Fulmer had lost its appeal. The cupboard was just about bare in Knoxville when he was told his services were no longer needed. UT football had become dang near irrelevant. Losing to Wyoming was just the icing on the cake. Years of police ride alongs and drunk punters were also part of his downfall. There is an excitement back in Knoxville with Kiffin. I know it’s a case of a new shiny toy, but if he doesn’t get the job done then we’ll go from there. Tennessee does have a great tradition just like your dogs. I hope he(Kiffin) hasn’t bit off more than he can chew. There will be a few bumps this year. Anyone who doesn’t think so is delusional or just plain silly. I just hope now that the season is starting he will hush and focus on winning games. We shall see. The time is upon us.