Tennessee does not need Bryce Brown aggravation

 

It’s Friday. Mercifully, the season is only two weeks away. And this is your day to talk about anything that is on your mind, even if it’s not college football. And as I’ve said before, please keep it clean because my momma reads this blog.

I’ll get things rolling.

 

1. Tennessee does not need the Bryce Brown aggravation. But you had to know that some aggravation was coming: Bryce Brown, Tennessee’s highly-recruited freshman running back, had a messy recruitment from the beginning with his “advisor” Brian Butler. For a while, you’ll recall, Butler was selling recruiting updates on Brown from a dedicated website. He had to back away from that. Now the NCAA is sniffing around some fundraising Butler and others did to help Brown and other students take a number of “educational” trips to Southern colleges. Now it may turn out that no NCAA rules were violated here. If some were, Brown may have to sit a couple of games.

 This much is clear and this is important: Tennessee’s recruitment of Brown is not the issue. So the institution and the football program don’t appear to be at risk. But everybody in the recruiting process knew that Brown, because of Butler, had some potential baggage. There were schools that backed off Brown because of it. Tennessee felt it was worth the risk and, in the final analysis, Lane Kiffin and his staff will probably be right. But this is an aggravation Tennessee does not need with the first game of the Kiffin era two weeks away.

 

2. Should Auburn be doing a reality TV show?  In the interest of full disclosure I need to tell you that I work for CSS on a show called “Talkin’ Football.” They are incredibly professional people who have done a lot for me. Having said all that, I question the wisdom of Auburn’s decision to do a reality show for CSS called “Auburn Football: Every Day.” The idea is to give the cameras unprecedented access to the football program on a daily basis. The cameras will show both the good and the bad. Originally, Ole Miss had agreed to do the show. The Rebels are picked to have a big, big season. But in the final days before shooting was scheduled to start, coach Houston Nutt had a change of heart. I understand Auburn’s rationale. When you’re recruiting in the same state with Nick Saban, you need every advantage that you can get. This show will be watched by a lot of people, including recruits. If it makes a handful of top high school players take a second look at Auburn, then it’s probably worth the risk involved. Football teams can be very volatile families. I’m going to try to keep an open mind on this one. What do you guys think?

 

3. The recent ruling in the Florida State case is the right one, but it will have an impact on future NCAA cases.  Florida Circuit Judge John Cooper ruled yesterday that if a state institution, in this case Florida State, receives documents in any form, those documents are public records. The documents in question dealt with the ongoing NCAA investigation into the academic cheating scandal at Florida State, which would strip coach Bobby Bowden of 14 of his 382 career victories. The NCAA’s records in the case were sent to Florida State on line in a “read only” format. The NCAA’s claim was the public had no right to the documents because Florida State had not received them in paper form and did not physically possess them. Media agencies sued, claiming that the NCAA’s claim violated the state’s open records laws. The court agreed. In a digital age, if a state body gets a document, no matter how it is transmitted, it is subject to open records. The NCAA claims it will be tougher to get people to testify in future cases. That may be true. But full disclosure of how the NCAA conducts its business overrides that concern.

 

4. Who will call Phillip Fulmer first? How about Louisville? After a posting on my recent meeting with Phillip Fulmer, the former Tennessee coach, several peopled asked where he could potentially land if he gets back into coaching. Fulmer made it clear that he wants to go somewhere that has made a commitment to compete for conference championships. I would suggest that you keep an eye on Louisville, where Steve Kragthorpe has really been struggling (11-23) since he took over for Bobby Petrino. The Cardinals have a chance to get off to a rocky start with road games to Kentucky and Utah followed by a home game with Pittsburgh in the first five weeks. If Kragthorpe doesn’t show some improvement early, don’t be surprised if Fulmer gets a call. Would he take it? I don’t know. But he could certainly win that league in 2-3 years.

 

5. Was Charlie Ward better than Tim Tebow? This comes from our friends at the Orlando Sentinel and it is a fascinating debate. Florida State coach Bobby Bowden, like most coaches in the South, has been asked if Florida’s Tim Tebow has a chance to be called the greatest football player of all time. Bowden told the Sentinel that he thought Charlie Ward, his 1993 Heisman Trophy winner, might have been better than Tebow. First of all, Coach Bowden is always going to stick up for Ward, who he really admires and likes.

Here are the stats:

CHARLIE WARD: 473-of-750 passing (63 percent), 5,747passing yards, 49 TDs, 22 INTs, 889 rushing yards, 10 rushing TDs

TIM TEBOW: 448-of-681 passing (65.8 percent), 6,390 passing yards,  67 TDs, 11 INTs, 2,037 rushing yards, 43 rushing TDs

It is a great argument today. But if Tebow plays on his third national championship team and/or wins a second Heisman Trophy, the argument is over. It’s Tebow.

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191 comments Add your comment

Saint Simons

August 21st, 2009
9:02 am

45 – 42 !!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Chris

August 21st, 2009
9:15 am

Tony,
The Auburn thing strikes me as a take off on HBO’s Hard Knocks. I personally find that type thing fascinating and will look forward to watching but I have to assume they have control over final editing? If they had filmed last year with some of the things Tony Franklin has discussed, I have to believe it would have been quite a soap opera.

Frank

August 21st, 2009
9:17 am

45-42 was an aberation!Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then! kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Walk-On

August 21st, 2009
9:19 am

Tony,

Not trying to stir the pot but from what I understand, isn’t the real issue is if Butler was sharing his revenue with Brown?

Phiuk Yu

August 21st, 2009
9:20 am

Why is everyone making such a big deal about Bowden’s comment re Tebow vs Ward? Clearly, he’s biased, he coached Ward. I’m not saying Bowden is right or wrong. I’m simply saying Bowden is old school, and his comments should be taken with a grain of salt. The media (ESPN) has run with the comments, and have manufactured it into some kind of major news story. I’m not an FSU fan but respect & admire what Bowden has accomplished at FSU. The media love to take these stories to the extreme – disappointing.

joe

August 21st, 2009
9:20 am

Concerning Bryce Brown, this is what happens when you have a desperate program that wants to get back to the top too quickly. They tend to cut corners. They knew what they were getting into.
After Brown’s visit to Baton Rouge, LSU did a quicker backstroke than Michael Phelps to get away from this guy.
Additionally, anyone else find it odd that a 5 star homegrown player from La. that had been committed to LSU for over a year at the very last minute & a day after national signing day with barely a relationship with their coaches switches his committment to Tennessee.

JWalker

August 21st, 2009
9:22 am

I’d be shocked if Fulmer still possessed the drive to guide a program to sustained success. I’m talking about putting in 12-14 hour days for 3-5 years. No doubt the guy still knows football and how to structure a team, but you also gotta grind out the hours to make it all happen. I predict that if he gets back in, he fizzles out by the 2nd season. Is his ego bruised enough that he sucks it up for 6 months or maybe even a year and works hard? Maybe. But this is still all about that bruised ego. Guy is in his late fifties and has made millions, he aint got the stomach for work anymore. I’m sure Fulmer or someone close to him said, “Hey, Tony, do us a favor and float this trial balloon.” Obviously, Tony obliged.

Jim

August 21st, 2009
9:24 am

I wonder how Mike Slive feels about Brown signing with Tennessee after he explicitly told Kiffin not to sign the kid (and he told LSU the same thing, which is why they backed off right before signing day). Good job, Kiffy.

GeoffDawg

August 21st, 2009
9:24 am

Auburn will probably get some good and some bad out of it. In their disadvantageous situation in the state, they can certainly use the exposure. At the same time though, to make the show compelling and interesting for the average viewer, negative issues and incidents will likely be shown out of context or given too much exposure in an effort to create drama. Overall, it’s probably worth a shot.

utfaninga

August 21st, 2009
9:25 am

Joe, wake up and READ the article. TN cut NO corners in recruiting Bryce Brown. This is an accusation that happened between his sophomore and junior years and is yet another example of the NCAA attempting to wield power. What is NOT mentioned is that numerous other athletes were involved in this trip, and NONE of them are being invesitgated. The NCAA picks and chooses its battles and often goes after high profile recruits. Again, UT did NOTHING wrong in this situation. At MOST he gets a 2 game suspension and this is all over with.

JB

August 21st, 2009
9:27 am

NO one cares about TECH…..please go back your blog and talk about your up coming struggles with Duke, Virginia, Gardner Webb Etc and the problem of how loud you band sounds with only 30,000 nerds sitting in the stands with tweed sport coats on sweating in that heat wishing you had a cross word puzzle to work at half time about load structures in a high rise, eating your free pizza and bragging about how easy it is to get tickets and park and No traffic getting out after the game, but pretty bored because there are no women to look at, but how you’ve come to admire Muslim game day wear.

Whiny Dan Magill

August 21st, 2009
9:31 am

eraseeraseeraseeraseeraseeraseerase…….

Not Disappointed

August 21st, 2009
9:32 am

Fulmer deserves a second chance but Louisville? What if they have a real good season? Oy!

Time will tell for Auburn. The jury is still out!

I feel for Bobby Bowden. It maybe time to go to the dog track or race track and watch horses.

The UT has enough aggravation with it’s “Head Coach” than deal with Byrce Brown problems.

Tim Tebow is a God of College Quarterback, but not the World. “And Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus. He’s quarterback for the Florida Gators!” Sorry Charlie Ward can compete. Good weekend all and “Mr. College Football’s mom in Union Point.

Ramblin Wreck!

Volman

August 21st, 2009
9:37 am

Joe, you are STILL bitter about losing Janzen Jackson to Tennessee? Get over it.

This whole “I told you so” stuff has got to end. It all happened Brown’s SOPHOMORE year of high school. Tennessee wasn’t in the picture then. They aren’t “taking chances”. He’s been able to practice. If he gets in trouble at all, it’ll be one or two games.

We’re not talking Reggie Bush problems. Let’s not blow this out of proportion.

JB Fool

August 21st, 2009
9:41 am

NO one cares about UGAY! Get your butt off this blog if you can’t take the heat son. Please tell me how the Mutts are going to “Destroy” the cowboys in stillwater. That’s hilarious. Keep the jokes coming. Esp how your going to whipe the floor with the Gators and Jackets. Give me a break. Take a breather and put down the red bull. UGA sucks, past, present, future.

Denny Moore

August 21st, 2009
9:42 am

First off, I am looking forward to a new coaching era at Auburn. I feel an intensity there that I have not felt since the Pat Dye era. I am a little skeptical of the Auburn TV show – hopefully it will have that serious overtone to it that the old Auburn Review with Pat Dye used to have. War Eagle!

Howard

August 21st, 2009
9:46 am

It seems that so many people out there in the media community, like the over-rated NFL analyst Mel Kiper want this guy to fail…and I cannot stand it! I’m no Gator fan but I am a Tebow fan and I hope he makes all these gloomy gus folks eat crow. Charlie Ward was a great QB but he wasn’t a Tebow. And yes, Mel Kiper, you boring, bad hairstyle dolt, Tebow can play QB in the NFL!!! You don’t like him or Colt McCoy because they’re good Christian kids. Kiper probably put out this latest rumor that Ward was better than Tebow!

Saint Simons

August 21st, 2009
9:49 am

(((((45-42)))))hahaha and we had a great Tickle Pile on their Campus!!!!!!!

Jack G.

August 21st, 2009
9:50 am

Hey JB—what got your panties in a wad?

Go Gators

August 21st, 2009
9:50 am

The U.S. News & World Report college ratings are out today, and Georgia schools retained their rankings from last year for the most part.

I think the rankings influence where students go to college. (I also think many students are influenced by the “Colleges that Change Lives” franchise.)

Many people dismiss college status as a factor, but there’s evidence that where you go to school impacts how much you earn.

PayScale Inc., which compiles compensation data, says the median starting salary for Ivy League graduates is about 30 percent higher than that of liberal-arts college graduates. However, the study doesn’t address whether that pay differential is the result of a better education, or simply because the Ivies attract higher-achieving students in the first place. (I would also ask whether the Ivies attract better connected kids; it’s easier to end up at Goldman Sachs if your mother worked there.)

In its 2009 report, PayScale says the median starting salary for a University of Georgia graduate was $43,900, compared to $60,00 for a Harvard grad, $58,900 for a Georgia Tech grad, and $50,600 for an Emory grad.

I am sorry to report that PayScale also lists degrees that pay you back and teaching and journalism offer some of the lowest returns. The big money is in the STEM fields; science, technology, engineering and math.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
9:52 am

Walk-On, yes, that’s part of the issue (it’s my understanding). The thing about this case is that Butler took a van full of prep athletes around the country to visit colleges> They earned money to finance the trips by doing fund raisers.I’m puzzled that the NCAA seem to be only focusing on Brown even though all the kids Butler was taking from town to town was involved in fundraising activities. In any case, it appears Brown will miss no more than one game, if that and pay back what ever “extra benefits.

Demi Moore

August 21st, 2009
9:53 am

Denny,

Did Pat Dye ever find his pants?

JB

August 21st, 2009
9:55 am

Ok Fool…………..Tech had a good year….lot of good stuff happening……But for the life of me why can’t ya’ll sell ( or have to refund) out of season ticket packages. Where is the demand for this product…All we hear is how much MONEY Tech folks have , but won’t support the program by buying tickets and filling that place up. Where is the proof you are back…..a 3 point garbage win over Richt’s worst team in 5 or 6 years. Typical ACC type team support, luke warm at best. Walk up at game day to buy tickets. Hell, look at Carolina the couple of years before Spurrier came, losing 6 to 8 games a year, but SELLING THE PLACE OUT ! They’re called FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are pathetic.

Otto

August 21st, 2009
9:56 am

Tony is correct even if UT did nothing wrong they do not need the Brown media circus. If Slive did tell schools to back off Brown it will come back around from the SEC in some way. Lane can make enemies with coaches and fans from other schools but the SEC front office is another matter.

mightyKC

August 21st, 2009
9:59 am

who cares, it’s bowden’s opinion! what if herschel only played on season, but in that season ran for 40 TDs and 200 yards? say he never played again due to injury. is the guy who played 4 years that had 3K yards and 50 TDs automatically better?

same can be said about how stats don’t translate between eras. spurrier was probably a better QB than jared lorenzen, but maybe lorenzen had better stats (i have no idea, but you get the point)

of course the subjective “who’s the best” usually comes down to objective stats, but there are other ways to determine this.

in next week’s AJC, “charle ward’s dad thinks charlie is better than tebow!”

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:02 am

Otto, Ut looked into the Brown matter extensively prior to offering Him a scholly and they were confident he did nothing wrong. Slive has no business telling UT or any other SEC school who to recruit and who not to recruit.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:03 am

ok, I took my medicine….should kick in in 10 minutes or so. I hope you guys a Tech have a good year.

Top Dawg

August 21st, 2009
10:05 am

Two items:

1. I think South Carolina may/should take a look at Fulmer.

2. Charlie Ward was nowhere near as good as Tim Tebow. To even suggest the comparison is laughable.

FactuAll

August 21st, 2009
10:05 am

Bama fan here, but have to agree with the Auburn decision. Chizik inherited a tough situation (reminds me of Shula’s first year at UA). I think that virtually anything he can do to keep Auburn’s program in the public eye will have more positive consequences than not.

I don’t see that he has many other options if he is to steal some of Saban’s thunder in recruiting.

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:06 am

NCAA, a question, why aren’t you looking into Worlwide Wes and Nike and UT lost Josh Selby becuse we’re an Addidas school instead of a Nike school?

UT96

August 21st, 2009
10:08 am

Top Dawg, Fulmer is done. He had is run in the nineties and ran UT’s program into the ground after that. Cutcliffe is not around to bail him out anymore. Any school that takes even a passing glance at Fulmer is nuts.

Macon

August 21st, 2009
10:11 am

Dont know the football coaching situation at Memphis, but that would seem like a pretty good fit for Fulmer.

He’d still be coaching for another program in the state of Tenn, (maybe even help really build up the Memphis program) where, of course, he has lots of recognition, and would get lots of statewide fan support because Memphis and UT are not really state rivals. Kind of like how GA fans became big Ga Southern fans when Erk left GA to go to Statesboro.

Plus, if Fulmer is recruiting from Memphis, its even easier to go to the states of Ark, Miss, Ky, and Alabama to get recruits, which wont be helpful for teams the compete with UT in the SEC…like KY, Ole Miss, Miss State, Ark, Ky, etc.

If Fulmer went to Memphis, it would seem to be a really strong Win-Win scenario for UT, Memphis, and the whole state of Tenn.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:11 am

I think Charlie Strong ends up at Carolina. Coached there, well liked, good coach, but more than anything, can bring a ton of that talent and speed to Columbia with all those high school connections he’s made in Florida. That would make Carolina very tough in a couple of years.
Also , he’s overdue for a shot.

getthepicturenow

August 21st, 2009
10:12 am

“slive has no business telling UT or any other SEC school who to recruit and who not to recruit”. its getting comical ut fan. oh let me guess, the NCAA is out to get you? puh-lease! this kid was close to a profesional athlete in HS. don’t you find it odd that the “#1 recruit” would choose to go to a 5-7 team?? kids options dwindled down the stretch as more info came out on him. but congrats ut, he’ll fit right in with the other mis-fits you’ve welcomed with open arms…see convicted rapist Daniel Hood.

JB

August 21st, 2009
10:14 am

But, as a Dawg fan, i would hope for Fulmer at Carolina over Strong.

DawginLex

August 21st, 2009
10:15 am

Fulmer to UVA.
Last time anybody did an inside look at a program was UK basketball with Billy G. Look how that turned out.
UT is not going to get into trouble over BB. Miss a couple of games at most and it’s over.
Tebow is florida’s Herschel. Ward won a Heisman and a questionable NT. There is no comparison really.

Mac

August 21st, 2009
10:15 am

Bryce Brown = Maurice Clarett. Good luck with that, Vols.

By the way, I think mama is preferable to momma, but that’s just me.

Smarter than you

August 21st, 2009
10:18 am

By the by, UGA fans did not become Ga. Southern fans. They stayed Erk fans. Big difference there, gnat eaters.

jumbeauxtiger

August 21st, 2009
10:19 am

1. I knew LSU had backed off on Bryce Brown. He may be a great player but he’s a distraction and this is a team game. LSU didn’t need another problem like Perrilloux. Agree or not that had an impact on LSU’s season last year.

2. First the limo and nowe this. No doubt Chizik is doing this for publicity(recruiting). Whether it pays off remains to be seen.

3. I’m glad the NCAA lost that ruling.

4. Fulmer will be coaching somewhere in 2010. I agree it may be Louisville but he cold wind up in the ACC at Virginia. I don’t see him venturing too far out of the south.

5. A factor not mentioned but certainly has been by Tony before is his leadership. Ward was a great player but I give Tebow the edge.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

SimpleDawg

August 21st, 2009
10:22 am

Beam me up, Scotty….there’s no intelligent life here….just stoopids.

Gen Neyland

August 21st, 2009
10:22 am

IMO, Kiffin and Tennessee did good for taking a chance with Brown. If the punishment for the high crimes committed are but a 1-2 game pine ride, that will be the price paid. This sounds more likely as if meant to punish Brown for the acts of adults some years ago. My interest is also raised on the ‘others’ mentioned but not named. If one really wants to read up on high crimes in college athletics, see (Tony Russell, Miami 1989-1994).

Barnhart sucks

August 21st, 2009
10:25 am

Another drive by posting for the laziest blogger at the AJC.

Bama Aaron

August 21st, 2009
10:26 am

1) UT doesn’t need the Brown headache, but as a Bama man I’m laughing at their whole situation right now. Karma bites…
2) AU’s decision to do the reality show is stupid. And it will not reach that many people…show of hands how many people actually watch CSS???? The distraction will do more harm than the exposure will do good.
3) Once again Karma bites…. Bowden has run a successful program, but never a clean program. It had to bite him eventually.
4) I could care less if Fulmer coaches again…he’s not relevant anymore.
5) Tebow is probably in the top 3 all time college football players. that debate is over.

Barnhart sucks

August 21st, 2009
10:27 am

Barnhart is awesome at posting the obvious. UT doesn’t want the Bryce Brown distraction? NO WAY! What great insight Tony!

Ron Mexico

August 21st, 2009
10:28 am

Ward was a better QB. Andre Ware was a better QB. David Klingler was a better QB. John Elway was a better QB. Tebow is a great PLAYER, and a winner. But I could come up with 10 other QBs I’d rather have slinging the pigskin if I needed a last minute 80 yd drive. No disrespect, but I’d definitely take Ward down 24-20 with 38 seconds on the clock and no time outs.

Steve Spurrier

August 21st, 2009
10:36 am

I’m here to tell you Tim Tebow is the best quarterback in the SEC this year … much better than Jevan Sneed. And, he’s the second best quarterback ever at Florida.

gatorman770

August 21st, 2009
10:36 am

1) Most teams with commonsense knew Bryce Brown would be disruptive to their teams.
2) It’s reality that I won’t be watching Auburn Tiger reality show anymore than I watch any other asinine reality show.
3) Too bad we can’t get full disclosure and openness in the Obama Whitehouse and administration that was a campaign promise.
4) Fulmer should work for Nutri-Systems while he’s waiting for a new coaching position.
5) Bobby Bowden’s lucky he took up coaching because he’s dumber than a 5th grader in statistics and simple math!

71 Dawg

August 21st, 2009
10:37 am

Tebow was only a sub on the UF National Champs as a freshman – please don’t give him credit for winning that one too!!! That belittles the rest of the UF team from that year.

ricardo

August 21st, 2009
10:39 am

Fulmer got into coaching by stabbing the previous coach in the back while in a hospital. He took his eye off the ball due to his OBSESSION with Bama and the NCAA issue. Remember that Fulmer was THE REASON that Bama was discovered to have made violations in Memphis. Along with Kramer, they both belong in the nut house.

dantheman

August 21st, 2009
10:39 am

Tony, last Saturday on CBSs College Football Preview show their Top 10 poll had Oklahoma #2, but when you 4 on the panel picked your BCS title game 3 of you did not have the Sooners in it? Why were they #2 then? It was a great show by the way. Really liked Danielson’s unique title game scenario.