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	<title>Comments on: Shaw&#8217;s injury could be huge blow for Georgia Tech</title>
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		<title>By: Football Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Football Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaddyDawg;  If UGA is an &quot;elete&quot; football program, why no Nat Champ in 30 years?  You trash GT but at least they had one in the last twenty.  I think Lou said it best:

&quot;I just realized that 30 years is a veryyyyyyy long time. Reagan had not started his Presidency, Berlin Wall was intact, Soviet Union was intact, Chipper Jones was 7, No internet, Nobody knew Bill Clinton,Sadat was alive, A-Rod was 2,The ONLY Bush anyone cared about was the War Hero Bush, No ESPN, Was there a CNN??. Man!!!! 30 years is a very long time for an “elite” football program to go without even playing–let alone winning–for a National Championship. Shouldn’t it be about time??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaddyDawg;  If UGA is an &#8220;elete&#8221; football program, why no Nat Champ in 30 years?  You trash GT but at least they had one in the last twenty.  I think Lou said it best:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just realized that 30 years is a veryyyyyyy long time. Reagan had not started his Presidency, Berlin Wall was intact, Soviet Union was intact, Chipper Jones was 7, No internet, Nobody knew Bill Clinton,Sadat was alive, A-Rod was 2,The ONLY Bush anyone cared about was the War Hero Bush, No ESPN, Was there a CNN??. Man!!!! 30 years is a very long time for an “elite” football program to go without even playing–let alone winning–for a National Championship. Shouldn’t it be about time??</p>
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		<title>By: GT fan ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT fan ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaddyDawg, 

Your argument is becoming contradictory. Above, you said: 

&quot;The reason why the service academies adopted the triple option attack many years ago is that they needed something to help them deal with the disparity in talent that usually existed when the academies played schools with bigger, stronger, faster players. The triple option largely enables the service academies to attack bigger, stronger, faster defenses by using deception and forcing the defense to play assignment football&quot;

So if service acadamies, with inferior talent, can use this offense to give them an advantage against superior-talented teams, then what happens when PJ uses superior talent at GT?   You&#039;re suggesting now that only inferior talent can be effective at winning with this offense vs. more talented teams.  Think about it, your logic ain&#039;t stirring the kool-aid.   

And it&#039;s been just one season, with at huge passing game vs. Duke, and the winning TD vs. Clemson comming via the pass.  In the VT game (game #3) if Nesbitt was just a foot or two shorter late in the 4th, Roddy Jones has a wide-open TD catch (not run) for a 24-20 lead.  I&#039;m hearing really good things about incoming FR WR Stephen Hill as well.  So sit back and see if the passing game gets CONSISTENTLY better in &#039;09.  I think it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaddyDawg, </p>
<p>Your argument is becoming contradictory. Above, you said: </p>
<p>&#8220;The reason why the service academies adopted the triple option attack many years ago is that they needed something to help them deal with the disparity in talent that usually existed when the academies played schools with bigger, stronger, faster players. The triple option largely enables the service academies to attack bigger, stronger, faster defenses by using deception and forcing the defense to play assignment football&#8221;</p>
<p>So if service acadamies, with inferior talent, can use this offense to give them an advantage against superior-talented teams, then what happens when PJ uses superior talent at GT?   You&#8217;re suggesting now that only inferior talent can be effective at winning with this offense vs. more talented teams.  Think about it, your logic ain&#8217;t stirring the kool-aid.   </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s been just one season, with at huge passing game vs. Duke, and the winning TD vs. Clemson comming via the pass.  In the VT game (game #3) if Nesbitt was just a foot or two shorter late in the 4th, Roddy Jones has a wide-open TD catch (not run) for a 24-20 lead.  I&#8217;m hearing really good things about incoming FR WR Stephen Hill as well.  So sit back and see if the passing game gets CONSISTENTLY better in &#8216;09.  I think it will.</p>
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		<title>By: GT fan ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT fan ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cincinatti Bowtie, 

ANY team that began the season ranked #1, then proceeded to finish 10-3 would consider their season a HUGE disappointment - duh.   

On the other hand, ANY team that was bringing in a new HC with a TOTALLY NEW system, with players not exactly suited to run it, who were predicted by many to win NO MORE than 3-4 games would say that finishing 9-4 was pretty darn good - duh.

So again, in 2009, if UF finishes 10-3, and let&#039;s see .... Miss St. finishes 9-4, just what does your common sense tell you about how their respective fan bases will look at their team&#039;s season? - duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cincinatti Bowtie, </p>
<p>ANY team that began the season ranked #1, then proceeded to finish 10-3 would consider their season a HUGE disappointment &#8211; duh.   </p>
<p>On the other hand, ANY team that was bringing in a new HC with a TOTALLY NEW system, with players not exactly suited to run it, who were predicted by many to win NO MORE than 3-4 games would say that finishing 9-4 was pretty darn good &#8211; duh.</p>
<p>So again, in 2009, if UF finishes 10-3, and let&#8217;s see &#8230;. Miss St. finishes 9-4, just what does your common sense tell you about how their respective fan bases will look at their team&#8217;s season? &#8211; duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwyer for H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwyer for H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiltonDawg - &quot;we’ll take a 45-42 loss&quot;... i guess you&#039;re pulling for the right team if you like losing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiltonDawg &#8211; &#8220;we’ll take a 45-42 loss&#8221;&#8230; i guess you&#8217;re pulling for the right team if you like losing</p>
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		<title>By: Coach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it Voice of Reason. I think the latter as well.  Their mouths seldom back up their brag.  But after all it is Tech we are talking about. What else would you expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it Voice of Reason. I think the latter as well.  Their mouths seldom back up their brag.  But after all it is Tech we are talking about. What else would you expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate-  when Joe Cox came out of high school Chan Gailey was the coach for Ga Tech and ran a pro style offense so therefore he could have started for them then, and if you would have read my post you would see that I said if Joe Cox had gone there then Chan Gailey may still be there as well.  I do not make him out to be the greatest QB ever, just not the second rate QB that all of you try to make he seem like.  

Pi$$onadawg- it is sad when you have to go to a coach that played for you in the 80&#039;s to find anyone who has done anything of relevance in the NFL.  How many superbowl mvp&#039;s have come from Ga Tech again? UGA? And your reference to the difference between 13 and 14 and starting versus coming in is hilarious.  You should try watching some real football and not just ACC and learn what it is all about.  Tried playing ever?

If CPJ is &quot;the greatest coach since Bear Bryant&quot; as most of you claim, why would he have Jaybo as the #2 QB if this Tevin Washington, et al are so much better than him?  Either CPJ is a moron, or you all are.  I&#039;m guessing the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate-  when Joe Cox came out of high school Chan Gailey was the coach for Ga Tech and ran a pro style offense so therefore he could have started for them then, and if you would have read my post you would see that I said if Joe Cox had gone there then Chan Gailey may still be there as well.  I do not make him out to be the greatest QB ever, just not the second rate QB that all of you try to make he seem like.  </p>
<p>Pi$$onadawg- it is sad when you have to go to a coach that played for you in the 80&#8217;s to find anyone who has done anything of relevance in the NFL.  How many superbowl mvp&#8217;s have come from Ga Tech again? UGA? And your reference to the difference between 13 and 14 and starting versus coming in is hilarious.  You should try watching some real football and not just ACC and learn what it is all about.  Tried playing ever?</p>
<p>If CPJ is &#8220;the greatest coach since Bear Bryant&#8221; as most of you claim, why would he have Jaybo as the #2 QB if this Tevin Washington, et al are so much better than him?  Either CPJ is a moron, or you all are.  I&#8217;m guessing the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cincinatti Bowtie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cincinatti Bowtie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT...we won 10 games last year in the best conference in the land and it was considered a HUGE dissapointment; you went 9-4...in the ACC.....QUIT TALKING SH!T, YOU ARE NOT BACK IN THE RACE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT&#8230;we won 10 games last year in the best conference in the land and it was considered a HUGE dissapointment; you went 9-4&#8230;in the ACC&#8230;..QUIT TALKING SH!T, YOU ARE NOT BACK IN THE RACE.</p>
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		<title>By: Bank Walker, Texas Ranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bank Walker, Texas Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every year Clemson has found the real deal at QB, every year they suck.

Mr. College Football, Chuck Oliver is the King of College Football.  That would make someone that really knew college football like Herbstreet the God of College Football,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every year Clemson has found the real deal at QB, every year they suck.</p>
<p>Mr. College Football, Chuck Oliver is the King of College Football.  That would make someone that really knew college football like Herbstreet the God of College Football,</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy that Paul Johnson must be a total idiot having Jaybo listed #2.  Obviously you tech fans know much more than PJ ever could about football talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy that Paul Johnson must be a total idiot having Jaybo listed #2.  Obviously you tech fans know much more than PJ ever could about football talent.</p>
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		<title>By: DaddyDawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaddyDawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said or suggested that PJ wasn&#039;t a good coach...... in fact, he&#039;s a very good football coach.  But GT will need a passing game to keep the athletic teams GT will face honest or talented defenses from top D. 1 teams will slow down the triple option the more they play against it.  GT can get better running the triple option, but the real improvement will be made by teams defending against it after they have seen it a time or two.  The reason why the service academies adopted the triple option attack many years ago is that they needed something to help them deal with the disparity in talent that usually existed when the academies played schools with bigger, stronger, faster players.   The triple option largely enables the service academies to attack bigger, stronger, faster defenses by using deception and forcing the defense to play assignment football, rather than allow more athletic defenses to pin their ears back and attack the offense by relying on their athleticism.  The triple option thus forces the defensive players to think, rather than just rely on their athletic ability, and by doing so, it helps to equalize the usual disparity the service academies encounter when facing large D.1 programs.

But if you restrict the triple option to just the run, you allow defenses to focus on stopping just that aspect of the game, and in doing so, you make yourself one dimensional and easier to stop.  Yes, there will be some teams you can beat just by running the ball down their throats.  But if GT wishes to play and win at the highest level of college football, then it needs an effective passing game.  PJ knows this because of the championships Georgia Southern won with the passing of Tracy Ham.  In fact, PJ calls his offense the SPREAD triple option.  The name comes from the fact that the triple option spreads you out horizontally and the passing attack spreads you out vertically (i.e., vertical passing game), thus forcing a defense to defend the entire field.  If PJ truly wants to take the Jackets to a championship level, he&#039;ll have to develop the passing game to his offense to add the vertical challenge to the defense.  Without that, GT will be one dimensional with their attack, and superior defensive teams GT will regularly face will learn to slow down the triple option.  I will let history over the next few years serve as the judge...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said or suggested that PJ wasn&#8217;t a good coach&#8230;&#8230; in fact, he&#8217;s a very good football coach.  But GT will need a passing game to keep the athletic teams GT will face honest or talented defenses from top D. 1 teams will slow down the triple option the more they play against it.  GT can get better running the triple option, but the real improvement will be made by teams defending against it after they have seen it a time or two.  The reason why the service academies adopted the triple option attack many years ago is that they needed something to help them deal with the disparity in talent that usually existed when the academies played schools with bigger, stronger, faster players.   The triple option largely enables the service academies to attack bigger, stronger, faster defenses by using deception and forcing the defense to play assignment football, rather than allow more athletic defenses to pin their ears back and attack the offense by relying on their athleticism.  The triple option thus forces the defensive players to think, rather than just rely on their athletic ability, and by doing so, it helps to equalize the usual disparity the service academies encounter when facing large D.1 programs.</p>
<p>But if you restrict the triple option to just the run, you allow defenses to focus on stopping just that aspect of the game, and in doing so, you make yourself one dimensional and easier to stop.  Yes, there will be some teams you can beat just by running the ball down their throats.  But if GT wishes to play and win at the highest level of college football, then it needs an effective passing game.  PJ knows this because of the championships Georgia Southern won with the passing of Tracy Ham.  In fact, PJ calls his offense the SPREAD triple option.  The name comes from the fact that the triple option spreads you out horizontally and the passing attack spreads you out vertically (i.e., vertical passing game), thus forcing a defense to defend the entire field.  If PJ truly wants to take the Jackets to a championship level, he&#8217;ll have to develop the passing game to his offense to add the vertical challenge to the defense.  Without that, GT will be one dimensional with their attack, and superior defensive teams GT will regularly face will learn to slow down the triple option.  I will let history over the next few years serve as the judge&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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