Five burning questions about the SEC East

Yesterday we looked at the SEC West and identified five burning questions that need to be answered heading into the start of practice this week. Today let’s look at the SEC East.

 

1. Is Georgia REALLY going to get after it in the preseason? Here is what I mean by that. A year ago when the injuries started piling up the Georgia coaches had to back off contact work in practice. They really had no choice. But the downside to that is that players lose their edge, particularly the when it comes to tackling on defense. Coach Mark Richt has stated on more than one occasion that he won’t make that mistake again. Defensive coordinator Willie Martinez is candid that his group must practice at a high level, and that means hitting, in order to play like an SEC defense. But what happens if Georgia suffers a couple of significant injuries early like it did with DT Jeff Owens and LT Trinton Sturdivant? Will Georgia be able to stick to its guns and keep getting after it in practice?

 

2. Is Florida REALLY serious about this I-formation thing? Urban Meyer tweaked his offense in the spring to add some I-formation.  He did it for several reasons: He wants to put Tim Tebow under center to prove to the NFL boys that the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner can do it. He wants a power running game for goal line and short yardage where somebody other than No. 15 carries the ball. And he wants to get backup quarterback John Brantley ready to take over in 2010. With Brantley’s arm, which is big-time, the play-action passing game out of the I-formation will be a difficult change of pace for Florida’s opponents. But that was in the spring. Now it’s time to get ready to play the games. This spring I sat in the office of new OC Steve Addazio and he was adamant: This was not an experiment. This would become part of the offense. Meyer told me the same. We’ll see.

 

3. Is Tennessee REALLY going to throw these rookie running backs into the fire right away? This much we know about Tennessee’s first team under Lane Kiffin: All season it is going to be a struggle between getting the team ready to play the next game and preparing for the long haul. That will again be the case when Kiffin and OC Jim Chaney decide how to use the highly-recruited running backs, Bryce Brown and David Oku. How much these guys actually get on the field, I believe, is up to the offensive line. If Tennessee had to play tomorrow, instead of Sept. 5 against Western Kentucky, it’s a pretty good bet the Vols would have five seniors starting up front. This is significant. If this group really jells, then Kiffin and Chaney can be a little bolder. If not, you stick with the proven players in Montario Hardesty and Tauren Poole and you spot play the freshmen. The toughest things for young running backs to learn are how to block (because the game is much faster) and picking up pass protection schemes. You wonder how much a highly-recruited kid like Brown was asked to block in high school.

 

4. Is Stephen Garcia FINALLY ready to become the leader at South Carolina? Steve Spurrier has been giving Garcia his props for behaving himself and getting through a spring and a summer without incident. Now it’s show time and the Gamecocks have a pretty tough opening opponent in N.C. State (in Raleigh on Sept. 3).  Garcia is going to have to overcome some things. South Carolina looks to be pretty average at wide receiver. The offensive line, which has been a weak point since Spurrier got to Columbia, is still underwhelming. If there is no running game then there is no play-action passing game and Garcia is going to spend a lot of time just running around for his life. I would like to see some of their early scrimmages, especially with Eric Norwood applying pressure from the other side. And how does Garcia react if things don’t go well?

 

5. Vanderbilt is going to use a no huddle. Seriously? The Commodores, who went 7-6 and won their first bowl game since 1955 last season, must do something about their offense, which was last in the SEC and 117th (out of 119) nationally last season with only 256.23 yards per game. Vanderbilt has two proven quarterbacks (Mackenzi Adams and Larry Smith) and a veteran offensive line. So coach Bobby Johnson wants to shake things up. They played with the idea of a no-huddle offense in the spring. Do they continue to use it this summer and into the season? Smith, the MVP of Music City Bowl, is perfect for that kind of offense. And if the Commodores use it in the opening game against Western Carolina, will it still be in place when they go to LSU on Sept. 12?

 

Bonus question:

Does Kentucky freshman Morgan Newton insert himself into the quarterback competition early? Since their record-breaking offense of 2007, Kentucky fans have waited for the second coming of quarterback Andre Woodson. It looks like he has arrived in the person of Morgan Newton (6-4, 217) of Carmel, Ind. As a senior Newton threw for 1,938 yards and ran for 1,664 more. He scored 48 touchdowns. He led his high school team to three straight state championship games and was 38-7 as a starting quarterback. Mike Hartline is the starting quarterback at Kentucky and Randall Cobb, a full-time wide receiver, will get some snaps out of the Wildcat formation. How quickly can Newton pick up the offense of Joker Phillips and will he be a factor early in this season?

 Coming Wednesday: Five burning questions about the ACC Atlantic.

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Fleischman in Chattanooga

August 4th, 2009
3:10 pm

I miss Nacho’s. TB BRING BACK NACHOS!

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
3:16 pm

Santa Nick,

I am amped up football as evidenced by my trading barbs with the LSU homers today.

This morning I did it again. I stiff armed the mail lady on the way to the mail box. Tomorrow I just may tackle her as it gets closer to football season. The next day I may clothesline her. After that I may just tackle her after the whistle and invoke unsportsmanlike penalties. Hope she’s okay after the stiffarm this morning.

PTC DAWG

August 4th, 2009
3:18 pm

Georgia will be in the SEC race when they roll into Jax. I know UF is the big favorite, but there is a reason they play the games.

As far as Carolina/Tenn/KY/Vandy, let them fight it out for 3rd-6th.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 4th, 2009
3:19 pm

Atl Gator, You may have posted it already but what is your take on your new OC?

Bill' Sass

August 4th, 2009
3:21 pm

Rebel Rouser, you dunderhead, if UF and UGA have one loss each in the East and FLA’s loss is to GA then guess who goes to the SECCG? Georgia.

Your credibility is shot.

co dawg

August 4th, 2009
3:23 pm

reptile…

good lord, show at least an ounce of creativity. please put some thought into your heckles. give us something to appreciate. shift key for caps? that was just plain awful.

G8R GRAD

August 4th, 2009
3:25 pm

Atlanta Gator:

Still, the buyout on UM’s K is comparably small.
It does give one pause . . . . .

Rebel Rouser

August 4th, 2009
3:28 pm

Hey Bill Sass…your the idiot!I have Georgia losing to both Carolina and Arkansas…thats two loses in the SEC. I only have Florida losing to Georgia..thats one loss in the SEC.The other loss for Florida is aganist Fla. St…..it doesn’t matter where your losses come from when you play another SEC team, all wins and losses count in the division total…you need to pay attention.Your the one who looks like the idiot!

reservoirDAWG

August 4th, 2009
3:33 pm

Rebel, I didn’t see the scores, but UGA losing to Ark and USC?

Atlanta Gator

August 4th, 2009
3:40 pm

Someone suggested earlier that the Big XII has won more MNCs than the SEC. Ain’t so.

For the record, eight present members of the SEC have won a total of 26 MNCs (Alabama 11, Tennessee 4, Florida 3, LSU 3, Georgia 2, Arkansas 1, Auburn 1, Ole Miss 1). Five present members of the Big XII have won a total of 19 MNCs (Oklahoma 7, Nebraska 5, Texas 4, Texas A&M 2, Colorado 1).

If you only count major poll (AP and UPI/USAT/CNN/Coaches) championships since 1936 (the AP era), the Big XII edges the SEC 18 to 17.

In the BCS era, the SEC has won 5 BCS championships on the field, the Big XII has won 2. If you include the Bowl Alliance and Bowl Coalition match-ups, it gets a little bit closer: 7 MNCs for the SEC 7, 5 MNCs for the Big XII.

Overall, the SEC has appeared in 17 BCS bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar), and has won 12 of 17. The Big XII has appeared in 16 BCS bowls, and has won 7 of 16.

I’m not saying they don’t play serious football in the Big XII, guys, but I have to give the edge to the SEC on this one.

Atlanta Gator

August 4th, 2009
3:46 pm

gdawg~zoo—-The Gators’ new OC Steve Addazio, you ask? Frankly, I don’t know enough about him to comment. I do know that the Gators’ offensive game-planning is very much a team effort that directly involves the head coach, the coordinator and all of the major position coaches. I could be wrong, but I think they’ll be fine. Guess we’re going to find out soon, huh?

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
3:48 pm

G8R GRAD,

It is a small buyout for Meyer so that right there tells you something . Same with Saban. He has no buyout but that’s probably because he heard about how demanding the culture is at Bama, how crazy the fan base is, and if it was too crazy he wanted the option of getting out without a buyout if the Bama people ticked him off.

Personally, I really can’t see Saban or Meyer ever going anywhere except ND if either of them ever leave. Saban is set and will probably retire from football period in the next 5-8 years and he probably just isn;t up to yet another rebuilding job at this age cause he’s in his late 50s. But if he ever were to go anywhere ND is the only name out there with the prestige that could draw him there. It wouldn’t be for the money and there isn’t anywhere else like Michigan, USC, etc. for him to go to for the foreseeable future that could pay Bama type money. NFL bridges are burned also. Plus nobody would really want Saban much anyway as he gets that much closer to retirement age.

As for Meyer he’s young and even his AD had acknowledged a year or 2 earlier that he thought Urban was way too restless to stay around for a real long time. I have a hard time seeing him at UF for 10 years or more although I would like to see him stay. I can see him staying 3-5 years and then possibly making the move to ND. ND is the single and only program that I can see taking Meyer from Florida and I don’t think it would be all about the money either.

I hate saying this but its true. As big time is Florida is right now there is only one ND. It was, is, and always will be the biggest name in college football regardless of the fact that they suck and have sucked for awhile now.

Bottom line though is that its pointless talk for at least another year anyway. ND has a notoriously easy schedule and looks in good shape to win anywhere from 9-11 games because their schedule is that incredibly weak. Even Weiss can’t screw this up and he will keep his job minimally for another year. So everyone can save the talk for at least another year.

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
3:57 pm

Rebel,

Its not just the dawg fans. I have a really hard time seeing UGA losing to both ARK. and USCe. Where did you come up with that idea?

As for my boys losing by 10 pts to VT. I can see us losing a close game to them but double digits? Our defense alone keeps us in that one.

And you have us losing by 8 at home against LSU? Its a loseable game just like VT but you think we lose by 2 scores at home to a team that only won 3 conference games last year?

And you have us losing by a whopping 14 to Ole Miss? Are you serious? We could well lose this game also. I think it will be a tight, close game but 14 pts? To a team that we’ve beaten something like 16-17 out of the last 20 I’m guessing?

I know you’ve always disliked Bama from your previous posts and that’s fine. But I think you let your emotions get in the way of your picks.

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
3:59 pm

Atlanta Gator,

Those stats seem wrong. Didn’t I tell you and Otto that we have 4 million national championships.

Anonymous

August 4th, 2009
4:35 pm

“Big XII,”

You’re clearly a blog troll and not an alum or fan of a Big XII school. If you were, you would NEVER, EVER, EVER mock another school for NCAA major infractions. EVER.

Since 1953 (when then NCAA started keeping records for this), the following Big XII schools have been cited for MAJOR INFRACTIONS:

Texas – 14 times

Texas A&M – 9 times

Nebraska – 7 times

Oklahoma – 7 times

Kansas – 6 times

Kansas State – 6 times

Baylor – 5 times

Colorado – 5 times

Oklahoma State – 4 times

Texas Tech – 2 times

Iowa State – 1 time

Do you remember why the Big 8 added 4 members and became the Big XII? Because the old Southwest Conference was crippled after virtually every conference member got drilled for NCAA major infractions in the 1980s.

Hush, child, you’re embarrassing yourself. You clearly do not know of what you speak.

The Big XII may be the one conference that makes the SEC look good in comparison.

Anonymous

August 4th, 2009
4:41 pm

For the record, Alabama has been cited 5 times for NCAA major infractions, which would put the Tide in a 3-way tie for 7th place in the Big XII.

Thanks for playing, though. LMFAO

Otto

August 4th, 2009
4:41 pm

The Big XII is also the only conference that can rival the SEC in challenging for national titles.

Tide Rising, I’m just glad to see a new resident PITA in place of the standard nerds, and gators. It is August and the standard smack is getting old. One more month…….

Got 12?

August 4th, 2009
4:42 pm

The Gator Bowl Committee just announced that they’re trying to replace their ACC tie-in with an SEC or Big 10 tie-in. Don’t worry, my ACC friends, it’s not gonna happen. There are alot of stipulations (involving the Capital One Bowl) that must be met for it to happen.

In my opinion, the Gator Bowl would be a giant step down compared to the Capital One Bowl.

Otto

August 4th, 2009
4:44 pm

Tide, CFBdatwarehouse list something liek 25. I’m not interested enough to look it up. It is great to get the OU fans going on other blogs with their claim for most AP titles. :)

Rebel Rouser

August 4th, 2009
4:45 pm

Tide Rising…you have always been delusional with your posts on here.In your mind the Tide has never lost and is still being coached by the Bear. Believe me….Saban is going to let you Bama fans down. He’s not as good as he has led you to believe. Bama should have never lost to Utah last year….also…Nice fake punt in the SEC Championship game…everyone in the stadium knew it was coming.Florida just toyed with Bama. Do you really think Bama was that much better than UGA last year? When Georgia woke up at halftime they completely outplayed Bama in the second half and could have won the game.Bama was up by 31 at half time and only won by nine. A better team would have crushed Georgia in the second half. As far as the Ole Miss game….the Rebels completely outplayed Bama from the middle of the third quarter on. They won’t let up in this years game at Ole Miss.Book it Bama will lose in Oxford this year!Wake up Bama fans your not as good as you think….you are in for a long year….I watched your games last year…you had to hold on to beat LSU a team Georgia spanked from the opening kickoff on the road.Keep thinking the glory days are back Bama fans…….last years season can be summed up easily….lucky ,lucky, lucky!

BG

August 4th, 2009
4:50 pm

What happens to UF this year if tebow gets hurt?

Otto

August 4th, 2009
4:57 pm

Ole Miss may beat Bama but I will be very surprised if it is by more than 10. Also a team coached by Nutt can’t be talking smack about another coach letting teams down.

Otto

August 4th, 2009
4:58 pm

Brantly comes in and UF still wins most of the games.

Rebel Rouser

August 4th, 2009
5:03 pm

Hey Otto…..where on this blog did anyone associated with the Ole Miss football team talk smack? You might as well place your bet in Vegas right now. Bama will lose at Oxford this season…book it!Its gonna happen and deep down all Bama fans know it!

Otto

August 4th, 2009
5:10 pm

Rebel I prefer to keep my money.

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
5:13 pm

Rebel Rouser,

Let me give some points.

1) The bear is dead. Has been for 27 years. Its some rival fans like yourself that need to get over it and move on.

2) I never claimed ever that Saban was a “great” coach. Personally I think he’s a good coach who happens to be a great recruiter and his recruiting. That’s it. He is not the 2nd coming of bear bryant and you won’t hear it from me.

3)The fake kick against UF was called because the regular kicker was out with a concussion. A backup freshman who had never taken a snap was on the field. Saban, who I already acknowledged as a good but not great coach, openly admitted it was a bad call. But if it makes you feel better to pile on than so be it. Ditto for Utah.

4) I would hardly say that Florida “toyed” with us considering we were winning the game in the 4th qtr. What a silly statement. They are simply a greater and better team and rallied to win. Case closed.

5) I never said Bama was THAT much better than UGA last year. I have profound respect for Richt and the dog program and I think they are now one of the nation’s top 10, most consistent programs. You are ignorantly guessing that I hate the dogs which is simply not the case. I’ve lived in Atlanta 20 years now and I follow both UGA and Tech because they are the local teams. I wouldn’t call myself I big fan of either team but I do follow and respect both. If we could line right back up with GEORGIA of 08 and play 10 straight times they would probably win their fair share.

6) The Ole Miss-Bama game. We basically went up 24-0, got very complacent and ultra conservative in the 3rd qtr and basically just let Ole Miss back into the game. They made an early blowout a little bit close but bottom line as usual in this series is that we won. What’s the series record now? 45-9

7) LSU – We overcame numerous mistakes to LSU and still won a) We fumbled a td for a touchback as our wide receiver was crossing the goal line b) we fumbled a kickoff giving LSU a 20 yard short field for a td c) we drove the length of the field and missed a chip shot field goal as time expired because the kicker kicked it way too low as he later admitted and it got blocked d) We had a 32 yard td scramble by JP Wilson called back on a phantom holding call against Andre Smith which as the replay clearly showed and as the announcers all agreed was probably the touchiest holding call of the year. We overcame all these mistakes and bad bounces of the ball and still bet them in their house.

Lucky Lucky Lucky. In the regular season we didn’t have a close game. Ole Miss rallied to appear to make the game close but that was clearly not the case. Kentucky scored a consolation td with 30 seconds to appear to make that game close but it wasn’t really close at all. If you watched that game you would have noticed we doubled them up in yardage and only a series of Bama mistakes , penalties, and turnovers made a statistical blowout somewhat close. You obviously didn’t watch that game. That’s not luck. That’s just winning football when you win 12 games and none of them are really close. As a matter of fact going into the LSU game Bama had trailed by a total of 75 seconds the entire season. Learn some facts before you run your mouth.

Atlanta Gator

August 4th, 2009
5:21 pm

Tide Rising—-You made the mistake of raising the 4 million championships again. I will only raise this issue only one more time, and then we will never speak of it again. We are friendly rival fans here, and Alabama does have an impressive football history.

Got 12 National Championships? No, not really. Even allowing for the retroactive award of two MNC’s (1925, 1926), five to six years after the fact, Alabama can semi-legitimately claim a max of 11 MNC’s. Eliminate the two retroactively awarded by Houlgate, or whoever, and you’re down to 9. Who really believes that applying a statistical analysis five to six years later is a legitimate way to determine a national champion? Makes the AP and Coaches polls look great by comparison.

Now, let’s look at the 9 that are left:

1930 = split title with Notre Dame

1934 = split title with Minnesota

1961 = undefeated consensus poll champion, beat Arkansas in Sugar Bowl

1964 = split title with Arkansas, lost to Texas in Orange Bowl

1965 = split title with Michigan State

1973 = split title with Notre Dame, lost to Notre Dame in Sugar Bowl

1978 = split title with Southern Cal

1979 = consensus poll champion, 12-0, beat Arkansas in Sugar Bowl

1992 = consensus poll champion, 13-0, beat Miami in Sugar Bowl

Now, let’s apply some modern standards retroactively. That’s only fair, since Alabama claims 2 or 3 retroactive championships from the 1920’s, right?

Modern standards like not awarding a poll championship until after the bowls are played? As late as 1973, AP was still awarding its championship before the bowls. So, let’s eliminate the MNC’s for 1964 (lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl) and 1973 (lost to co-champion Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl). Now, Alabama is down to 7 MNC’s.

That leaves a total of 4 split-poll championships (1930, 1934, 1965, 1978) and 3 consensus poll championships (1961, 1979, 1992). I’ll concede that all 7 of those MNC’s are legitimate, if you’ll concede the point that it’s twice as hard to win a BCS title as it was to win a split title in the 1930’s, 1940’s, 1950’s, 1960’s and 1970’s.

Okay, still blog buddies, right? Seven legitimate titles? That’s not so bad . . . .

If it makes you feel any better, that 1992 Tide team that beat the Gators 28-21 in the first SEC Championship Game and proceeded to destroy Miami in the Sugar Bowl 34-13 may be one of the three or four best national championship teams of all time.

Embrace truth. It will set you free. = )

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
5:38 pm

Atlanta Gator,

I still like 4 million national titles better. Actually I don’t really concern myself with it. I could be mistaken but I read somewhere that its the NCAA record book that actually credits us with 17 titles like the 1941 title. I honestly don’t care if its 7,9, 11, or 12. It doesn’t really matter.

I’m much more prouder of the fact that over the last 100 years of football we are the winningest team in college football with 754 on the field wins, more bowls than anyone, and 3rd in alltime winning % according to stassen.com if we look at on the field wins. Forget about the disputed national titles. The other accolades are plenty for me.

I will throw in a counter argument below that I read on just one title such as the 1941 title. Of the 12 titles the school claims the 1941 is discounted as the weakest of the so called 12 titles. Its an interesting tidbit and gives a little perspective.

Apparently, the NCAA disagrees with Auburn fans on this point. The “NCAA Football Records Book” lists Alabama as the recipient of the national title under the Houlgate System in 1941. (You need Adobe Acrobat to view it. It’s free to download at this site.
Reference
Contrary to Auburn fans’ beliefs, the Houlgate System was not a fly-by-night poll overrun with Alabama supporters. In fact, it was a math-based system (like the current BCS formula) devised by Dick Houlgate, a Dartmouth math major. When first published in 1927, Houlgate’s system was the very first systematic approach to determining a national champion in college football history. It predated the next oldest system, devised by Dick Dunkel, by two years, and predated the AP poll by a decade. It was carried by The Football Thesaurus and Football Illustrated from coast to coast for thirty-two years. It is currently recognized not only by the NCAA, but also by most prestigious college football historians, publications and databases, including Sports Illustrated and the Internet-based College Football Data Warehouse and WAJL10.

Helluva Engineer

August 4th, 2009
5:44 pm

FREE NACHOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He can no longer post under his URL b/c he has been banned.

Please take a moment and visit http://www.freenachos.com

Jonathan Caines

August 4th, 2009
5:45 pm

If,”ifs and butts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry christmas!

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
5:46 pm

Love it up here at college moma, SEND US SOME MONEY!

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
5:48 pm

Rebel Rouser,

I was wrong. We only lead the Ole Miss series 43-7 for an 86% winning percentage. We’ve won 5 in a row and 21 of the last 24 against the Rebels but you’re telling me you can “book it” that Ole Miss has already won the game. Its certainly a winnable game for them but not one that Bama fans think they’re gonna lose. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I hope you don’t do any betting on college football cause its obvious you wouldn’t do very well.

Rebel Rouser

August 4th, 2009
5:48 pm

Hey Tide Rising….Once again always making an excuse for close wins or loses…..can’t you just man up and admit the facts. I watched the LSU game..Bama was lucky to win…period!Bama is not and was not as good as you make them out to be.Tulane even pushed Bama around for most of the game and if Bama was so great last year why was the Kentucky game as close as it was? Because Kentucky stuck it to Bama thats why. They never let you take total control. Great teams take control. Admit it, quit making excuses.Bama will lose to Va Tech…they will be better prepared are better coached than Bama….you will lose to LSU….better athletes on both sides of the ball and you will lose to Ole Miss….believe me..its going to happen and when it does once again the Bama fans will make excuses and point fingers. Saban teams have a history of disappointing their fans…his teams at Bama won’t be any different!

Otto

August 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

Atlanta Gator, We have been over the 12 titles. I posted a list the barners like to pass around busting the titles. You discount titles where Bama lost a bowl after the title but Bama does not get credit where they may have won a title after the bowls. The final rankings were often posted before the bowls. As Tide said it does not really matter. Bama has the highest winning percentage in the SEC and their numerous bowl wins easily puts them as one of the top programs historically.

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

helluva engineer,

Did nachos really get banned? I think you just like him cause all he did was raz dog fans and constantly bring up the blackout game. I was even tired of him although he was funny in that juvenile sort of way. Kinda like Matt or Rebel rouser.

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
5:51 pm

what was the name of the guy that was the sec commisioner before mike slive?
where was he from? and how long was he commisioner?

Otto

August 4th, 2009
5:54 pm

VT better prepared than Bama. have you kept up with VT? VT has had numerous arrests over the past few years and tend to choke when they just about have the ACC locked up. Saban has far more experience winning big games than Beamer. It is sad to see a SEC fan even suggest VT is at the level of being coached clearly better than Saban.

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
5:54 pm

Was it Birmingham? I heard that? But not real sure?

Atlanta Gator

August 4th, 2009
5:57 pm

Tide Rising—-You’re writing for the Peanut Gallery. I already know the Houlgate System’s history. It was an interesting statistical endeavor to reconstruct a ranking of college football teams retroactively, but it’s just bizarre that any school would claim those top rankings as “championships.” Too many intangibles, too many misplaced/overlooked/inaccurate statistics, and the further back in time, the less reliable the data and the analysis became for a whole lot of reasons.

As I understand it, Dick Houlgate originally only applied his statistical formula to the then-current year and the year immediately before. And then, at the suggestion of several football coaches, popped his formula into Mr. Peabody’s Way-Back Machine and started ranking national champions back to the 1880’s!

Heck, do you really believe that Princeton was legitimately the retroactive champion 28 times?

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
5:59 pm

Rebel rouser,

I guess you’re just reduced to complaining now not about our wins but about the margin of victory of our wins not impressing you. Jeez! You’re a tough audience to please.

Regarding LSU I just gave you 4 bounces of the ball that went clearly against Bama and yet we still managed to win. So what bad bounces of the ball or penalties or missed calls went against LSU that cost them the game. Stick to the facts buddy or have you just got your own unsubstantiated, emotional opinion as to why LSU really should have won that game.

You’re the same type of guy that would blame the LSU loss to UGA on 2 pick 6 tds and then act like a pick 6 return for a td is just luck and that playing good D has nothing to do with it.

I enjoy your posts though. Its funny to watch you just rant and rave like a ticked off hating anti Alabama fan. Hate is one powerful emotion and you are proof of that.

In the Know

August 4th, 2009
6:08 pm

Tide Rising….its easy to live in the past…where have you guys been the last ten years? One good season nad all you Bama fans come back out of the woodwork. I agree with Rebel Rouser. I think Bama loses at Ole Miss this season and also loses to LSU. Quit living in the past…who cares what Bama did thirty years ago…what have you done lately..not much!Did you win the SECCG..NO…Did you win the Sugar Bowl…NO….Will Bama go undefeated this season…NO….will you win the SEC West…NO….Will Bama lose at Ole Miss….YES! Have fun this season!

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
6:11 pm

In the know,

I guess you’re just latching onto that old tired song and dance about “living in the past”. Don’t need to. I’m excited about this upcoming season and the future in particular. Judging by your comment you’re just upset that we did have a great season last year and are back to some degree.

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
6:11 pm

But we did drill those jawga dawgs azz

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
6:13 pm

Roy Kramer, thats his name, come on Vince lets talk about him, you know you told me, and bill curry and pat and a bunch more that i will not say at this time

yarddawg

August 4th, 2009
6:14 pm

Best thing to ever happen to SEC, hire a commisioner that is not from any state in the conference? Hello?

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
6:16 pm

Atlanta Gator,

Thanks to Otto it is true that for every time we got a title like 73 where we lost the bowl game there were a couple of years where we unjustly didn’t win the title. 1977 and 1966 especially really stand out. The 1966 team getting robbed was the worst of all time. Any objective person looking at that year would agree and several books were written about that team and that year.

ReptilesRule

August 4th, 2009
6:19 pm

I personally don’t care exactly how many titles Bama has. All I know is that they have a very proud tradition and have won a bunch of them. That’s good enough for me. Hopefully, one day all Gators can look back and see that they have established that kind of tradition but it will be awhile. In the meantime, our time has definitely come and is here and I’m just going to enjoy every minute of it!!

HT

August 4th, 2009
6:23 pm

Bryce Brown wasn’t the number one player in the country for nothing. Nor was he brought to Tennessee to pass block. Watch this dude. He is bad!

Tide Rising

August 4th, 2009
6:30 pm

Reptilesrule,

Thanks man. Hopefully we’ll keep rising back to the level of giving you some good competition like in the 90s. We had some great games back then even if you guys did win more.

Atlanta Gator

August 4th, 2009
6:39 pm

Otto—-Please don’t misunderstand me. I never said Alabama wasn’t one of the very best all-time college football programs. Any legitimate ranking system places them in the top 5, most place the Tide in the top 2 (usually with Notre Dame).

My point was that Alabama’s MNC total is inflated. The fact that others do it, too, doesn’t make it more believable. It just adds to the comedy of it all–multiple teams calling themselves “champion” for the same seasons.

Please count the Tide’s total wins. Count the Tide’s all-time winning percentage. Count the Tide’s 21 SEC championships won on the field. But recognize that the MNC stats are somewhat inflated, and not entirely defensible. That’s all I’m saying.

I used to make a living from arguing, in a context that you wouldn’t guess (that is, I was not a trial lawyer). Rule one, however, is never overstate your argument. Not even a little. Because it gives your opponents the opportunity to question the legitimacy of everything else you have said. Best to say, “you may have a point,” and move on.

Personally, I believe that, one day, we will look back over four eras of how college football “champions” were determined:

First, pre-1927, there was no legitimate system, and the retroactive systems are not legitimate to crown a “champion.” Period.

Second, from 1927 to 1935 (pre-AP Poll), when Houlgate, Dunkel and others invented their own private statistical systems, it gave the fans something to argue about and sold magazines.

Third, from 1936 until 1992 (AP Poll era), we had multiple major media polls that ranked the teams. It was better in the sense that many more knowledgeable individuals participated, and we still had the statistical analysis systems for comparison.

Fourth, from 1993 to the present, we have had number one vs. number two match-ups virtually every year. Two top-ranked teams, and one of them walked away a winner. The endless question: was a better team left out? Still flawed, but the best system to date.

Fifth, one day, and not that long from now, we will have a 4-team or an 8-team playoff. When that happens, we will look back on the fourth era as a time of transition, and we will look back on the second era (1927-1935) and third era (1936-1991) the same way we now look at Princeton’s 28 retroactive MNCs from the 1870’s through the early 1900’s (i.e. they lack a certain credibility).

That’s all I’m saying. Not ragging on Alabama in particular. But I won’t defend retroactive championships. Period. Nor should you. It’s bogus.