Coaches should not be judged on national championships

 

It’s Friday and on Friday all of us are given the freedom to present views that may be a little out of the mainstream. Here’s mine:

Mark Bradley’s blog on Thursday “Will UGA win at BCS title under Mark Richt?” reminded me of a conversation I recently had with a reporter. He basically asked me the same question about Richt  and I said something that shocked him a little bit and it may shock you. But I have believed this for a long time:

The question about Richt is irrelevant.

Why? Because I believe coaches should not be ultimately judged on whether or not they win national championships.

You read that right. Having covered this sport for a long time I have concluded that national championships are not an accurate measure on whether or not somebody is a good coach or a great coach. Now if a guy like Urban Meyer has won two national titles in three years and is favored to win another, it’s a pretty good bet that he’s a great coach. But the absence of a national championship does not mean that someone is a lesser coach.

Here is how I back that statement up. In the era of the BCS, and we’ve had some version of it since 1992, there are simply too many variables beyond winning games that factor into a coach and team just getting a CHANCE to play for the national championship. You have two human polls and a bunch of computer polls that are combined and spit out a formula that puts two teams into the national championship game. There is simply too much luck and too much good timing involved for the national championship to be the standard we use to measure coaches.

Let’s just take this decade:

**–In 2000 Miami beat No. 1 Florida State on the field, 27-24. Both Florida State and Miami ended the season with one loss and Miami finished No. 2 in the human polls. But the BCS formula gave the spot in the national championship game to Florida State. So Butch Davis is less of a coach that season because the computers didn’t allow his team to play Oklahoma for the title?

**–In 2001 Oregon finished the season ranked No. 2 in both human polls and had only one loss. Nebraska finished No. 4 in the human polls, also with one loss, a 62-36 thumping in its last regular season game by Colorado. But Nebraska goes to the Rose Bowl instead of Oregon and Joey Harrington. That was Mike Bellotti’s shot at the national title and but the computers picked Nebraska, who got embarrassed by Miami, 37-14.

In 2002, Ohio State went 12-0 in the regular season with a five-point win over Wisconsin, a six-point win over Penn State, and a 10-6 win over Purdue where Craig Krenzel threw a 37-yard touchdown pass on fourth down in the final two minutes. Then the Buckeyes needed overtime to beat Illinois and beat Michigan 14-9 with a touchdown with less than five minutes remaining. Ohio State could have seen its national championship dreams derailed several times but to the Buckeyes’ everlasting credit, they always found a way to win. Mark Richt’s best team at Georgia (12-1 with a loss to Florida), which finished No. 3 in the BCS Standings, just needed for Ohio State to lose one of those games and the Bulldogs are in the Fiesta Bowl against Miami.

I can go on. In 2004 Auburn went undefeated and won the SEC championship. Under normal circumstances the Tigers would have been a lock for the national championship game. But USC and Oklahoma started 1-2 and never lost. That was a great Auburn team that didn’t get a chance. So does that mean that Tommy Tuberville was not a national championship coach that season?

Urban Meyer has won two national championships at Florida but some things had to fall into place for him to get the chance. In 2006 UCLA pulled off a stunning upset of No. 2 Southern Cal and Florida jumped from No. 4 to No. 2 (over No. 3 Michigan) after beating Arkansas in the SEC championship game. Florida just destroyed Ohio State in the BCS championship game but what if USC had not lost? Would that have made Meyer less of a coach in 2006?

Last season Florida earned its way into the BCS title game by beating No. 1 Alabama in the SEC championship game. But what if Alabama had not been No. 1?  What if Alabama had been No. 10? Then Florida may have been watching Texas and Oklahoma in a rematch for the national title. Florida had the best team in the country and proved it in the BCS championship game. But some things had to fall into place for the Gators to get the chance.

The 2007 season is the best example of all of how it takes more than talent and good coaching to play for the BCS title. LSU began championship Saturday with two losses and ranked No. 7 in the BCS standings. The ONLY way the Tigers had a chance to get to the big game was by beating Tennessee in the SEC championship game and hoping beyond hope that both No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia BOTH lose. The odds against that were incredible but it did happen and LSU got its shot. LSU was the best team in the country at the end of the 2007 season but the Tigers would have never gotten the chance to prove it without some good fortune.

 

The point is this: In college football, especially in the SEC, the focus has to be on the conference championship. That is the thing as coaches and players that you can control.  If you are consistently playing for the SEC championship, then more years than not you’re going to be in the hunt for the national championship.

A coach is either consistently playing at the top of his conference or he’s not. If your coach has all the resources to compete for the conference championship and proves over a period of time that he can’t do it, you should certainly question whether or not he should continue to be your coach.

 But if two guys are consistently playing at the top of their league there is nothing magical that makes one a national championship coach and the other something less. It’s about winning your conference and then hoping the right dominoes fall into place that will give you the opportunity to play for something more.

Steve Spurrier told me during his great run at Florida that he never discussed the national championship with his players. “Our goal was to always win the SEC championship. That was the thing we could control,” Spurrier said. “If we won the conference championship, we figured there was a pretty good chance that we would get to play for the big title. But it doesn’t do any good to focus on that because you have no control over it.”

So what about this? Am I totally wrong here? The floor is yours. Have a great weekend.

 

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277 comments Add your comment

Craig

July 31st, 2009
11:38 am

Tony you wrote “The 2007 season is the best example of all of how it takes more than talent and good coaching to play for the BCS title. LSU began championship Saturday with two losses and ranked No. 7 in the BCS standings. The ONLY way the Tigers had a chance to get to the big game was by beating Tennessee in the SEC championship game and hoping beyond hope that both No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia BOTH lose. The odds against that were incredible but it did happen and LSU got its shot.”

Oh really? Mizzou had to play Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game. They already lost to them that year. They were definitely a big underdog and got blown out. Yeah such a tough game to predict. As for WV, they already had a loss that year to SF. And they played their biggest rival, PITT, in the backyard brawl. Hardly incredible odds tony. You really don’t look intelligent in presenting your arguments. Yeah coaches shouldn’t be gauged on NC. What a stupid inane comment. Keep saying it’s lucky. You’ll sucker in those dawg fans who can’t see the obvious.

ecarruga

July 31st, 2009
11:40 am

Why is it that college football is the ONLY sport in the world that does not decide its champion on the field with actual games/playoffs?
GREAT article Tony this is why CF will never reach its potential
CHANCE and luck plays too much into the national championship

Matt

July 31st, 2009
11:44 am

To the UGA fans saying LSU did not “prove” it was the best team. Please remember, LSU played for and won 2 Championships in ‘07. UGA played for none. Also, I can guarantee you that LSU would not have been “scared” to play UGA. If that would have been the SECCG, LSU would have been prepared.

Trade School Junkie

July 31st, 2009
11:46 am

Take this to the bank: CMR will fire Martinez after the Florida game.

Richt is gonna HAVE to throw SOMEONE on the alter of the UGA BOOSTER MONEY GODS, for redemption, and its gonna be Willie.

That way, Richt will have SOME redemption for what is gonna be a rough year (8-4 or even 7-5). Of course, that will also provide “PR cover” for the upcoming loss to GT in 2009.

Think it aint so?

Then why did CMR recently appoint a “CO-DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR?”

Go ahead and light that alter fire now !!

Atlanta Gator

July 31st, 2009
11:47 am

Rational Citizen—-If everyone is laying around smoking dope all day, somehow, I doubt that’s going to stimulate our national economy in the larger sense. Maybe ganja farmers, packagers and distributors will do better financially, but I suspect many others will sleep more, giggle a great deal, eat more snack foods, and work less. Okay, maybe Frito-Lay, Golden Flake and Orville Redenbacher will do somewhat better, too.

All kidding aside, this is a football blog. Please take your political message elsewhere. We have serious issues to discuss here.

Tech guy

July 31st, 2009
11:47 am

Enter your comments here To anyone who follows the game, everything you said is logically obvious – but, emotion usually trumps that. A national championship doesn’t prove you’re any better in personnel or coaching than 5-10 other teams, at least, that year. An occasional national championship only says you’re a top tier program with a top tier coach.

GT

July 31st, 2009
11:52 am

Luck. Ha. Unlucky is when you go undefeated and have to share a title with another team that had a loss, won another game at the end with 5 downs and then got a phantom clipping call in the final seconds of their bowl game. That is unlucky. How many times did ga eek out a game against vandy or kentucky this decade on some botched play? Nice job of trying to water down a national champ tony. Yeah those gators and tigers and buckeyes and trojans were just “lucky” to get there. What a crock. Funny thing is if any team has received it’s fair share of luck over the past 10 years, it’s Ga. Without it, they’d be equal to South Carolina.

Huh?

July 31st, 2009
11:53 am

Fair enough Matt. Just don’t go around shoving that fluke national title from 2007 in our faces. That way you won’t have to be reminded about how you conveniently didn’t have to play us. Based on the way the two teams were playing at the end of that regular season, I think we would have wiped the damn floor with you in all honesty, but that’s just my opinion. Your defense was beat up and you were coming off a tough overtime loss to Arkansas. Georgia, meanwhile, was coming off an easy win against Tech and was running on all cylinders. Moreno barely even played in that game and would have been healthy for the SECCG. I mean really dude, that game probably wouldn’t have even been close. Be honest with yourself. Again, just my opinion though.

Long Dawg

July 31st, 2009
11:53 am

Trade School Flunkie… It wouldn’t matter if the BCS stays the same, or if there is a playoff system created or what. Ga Tech ain’t gonna be in a NC game in your lifetime. They will probably not make it to the ACC championship any time soon.
Now all you nerds think CPJ is the second coming simply because he got lucky in Athens. And he did get lucky. Look at Gardner Webb and LSU and North Carolina and Virginia. That is the tech we are all used to seeing and will continue to see. CPJ is a good coach…at the 1AA level. He is in the big leagues now and you will see it manifest itself this year. Any who calls a fake punt on 4th an 8 at their own 22 ain’t very smart.

gfsmith

July 31st, 2009
11:54 am

100% agree Tony. Nothing was more disrespectful to Tommy Tuberville than when sportwriters/talking heads pointed out how many “national championship coaches” resided in the SEC and they omitted CTT. I can even recall you, Tony, doing it on several occasions. When that stat was quoted, at the bare minimum, the circumstances around Auburn in 2004 should have been mentioned. With this article, you have won back that little piece of respect that was lost when you were guilty of said omission. I’m sure the same goes for CTT.

Ben

July 31st, 2009
11:55 am

Tony,

Your insights are always most informed and are probably the only articles on ajc.com worth reading. I look forward to watching your new show in the Fall. From one bulldog to another…I’m ready for kickoff baby! Only 36 Days.

heeltide

July 31st, 2009
11:55 am

Dean Smith had a great response after he won his first title in 1983, when a reporter asked him the obligatory “validation” question. He shrugged and said, “I don’t think I’m a better coach now than I was two hours ago.”

That said, UGa fans have had to watch UT and UA win 1, while LSU and UF win 2 — that’s 6 NC for SEC schools in the past 16 years. In other words, all the other schools are doing it. That has to be frustrating.

plt

July 31st, 2009
11:55 am

I have been saying the same thing for many years. Great to see someone with a platform like yours that will stand up and say it. In the SEC it is about being the Conference Champ. Everything else is gravy. I was a member of the 1999 Alabama SEC Championship Team.If you recall we got beat that year the 3rd game of the season by a Tim Rattay lead LA Tech team on a last second play. The main message after that game was that it was not a conference loss an our team goals of winning the SEC were still attainable. We did win that year and will forever be remembered as a Championship team at Alabama and let me tell you there is nothing like it in this world. Great job Tony. I love reading your column.

Yep

July 31st, 2009
11:59 am

You’re right tony. Coaches shouldn’t be judged by Nat Championships. We should do away with coach of the year awards. No more conference championship games. And no more bowls. Just a 10 game season and whoever scores the most points is the champion. Or better yet, just end college football. Since what a coach and team accomplishes is just luck and doesn’t really matter. Yep I agree.

Atlanta Gator

July 31st, 2009
12:02 pm

Actually, “heeltide,” the University of Florida has won 3 national championships (1996, 2006, 2008) in the last 16 years, not 2. Just trying to be accurate. And, yes, the Gators were lucky. Very lucky, in deed. = )

JaxDawg

July 31st, 2009
12:15 pm

Tony well said! No coach no matter how good, can control whether or not they get into the NC game period. All a coach can do is try to put his team in the best possible sitiuation, and wait and see if it’s good enough/they get the right breaks to get in.

Anyone who thinks a coach has any control over that is just fooling themselves. Florida has been fortunate that they’ve gotten the breaks needed to get into the game.
Urban Meyer is a great coach, but he’s also been a lucky coach as well.

BigMike

July 31st, 2009
12:15 pm

Barnhardt, Are you going crazy?? The reason we play sports is to determine a champion. All coaches should not only be judged on championships, but want to make anything less than that a bad season for him.

Huh?

July 31st, 2009
12:18 pm

heeltide, it is frustrating and I think that’s why the national championship issue is such a big deal with Georgia. LSU and Florida have been winning them and we haven’t, and we know we can hang with those teams (last year’s 49-10 beatdown notwithstanding). I don’t think this would be such a big deal if our peers weren’t winning them. If we were in the ACC this wouldn’t be an issue at all. They’re just happy to go to whatever bowl game will take them over there. National championships are a total pipe dream.

Trade School Junkie

July 31st, 2009
12:19 pm

Long Dawg:

Its not about whether GT gets to the Orange Bowl, or another BCS game.

THE POINT: is that the current BCS system is a complete SCAM, FOR MOST TEAMS IN ALL CONFERENCES. Why is a TRUE playoff good enough for D2, D3, in EVERY SPORT (even D1 Baseball is a true playoff), but not good enough for D1 football. It’s good enouogh for the NFL afterall.

Did AU get shafted in 2004. Yep.
Did USC(11-1) get shafted last year. Yep.
Did TxTech(11-1)get shafted last year. Yep.

Did Nebraska deserve to be in the NC game against Miami after getting mauled 62-36 by Colorado in the last season game. Nope.

Was it a complete joke that both PennState and Ohio State even got invites to BCS bowls last year. Yep.

Was it a complete joke that Cincinnatti and Utah woud up in a BCS bowls over teams like Ole Miss, LSU, TxTech, USC, etc. etc. Yep. Do I think LSU and Ole Miss were probably MUCH better than Utah and Cincy. Yep.
So, LSU and Ole Miss (SEC teams) got screwed, cause both probably would have gone deep in a TRUE playoff system. Could UGA have gone deep into a REAL-TRUE playoff system last year. Probably.

I’ll repeat my main point here: without a true playoff system:
MOST TEAMS IN ALL CONFERENCES GET SCREWED. Period.

Long Dawg

July 31st, 2009
12:21 pm

Brad, obviously you are not a Georgia fan because you forgot the following in your analysis:

1. 82/22 since 2000- .788 win %
2. 7/1 vs Ga tech – .875 win%
3. 5 AP top ten finishes 2002, 2003,2004,2005,2007
4. 6/2 in Bowl games- .75 win %. 3 BCS bowls .66 win %
5. Blow outs- you wann talk about blow outs?
2002 Ga. 51 tech 7 Ga.30 Ark 3 SEC CHAMPS
2003 Ga. 30 Clemson 0 Ga. 41 Tenn. 14
2004 Ga. 45 LSU 16
2005 Ga. 34 LSU 14 SEC CHAMPS
2007 Ga. 42 Fla. 30 Ga. 45 Auburn 20, Ga 41 Hawaii 10
6. 6 10 win seasons in last 8 years

You, along with trade school junkie and several other derranged jack fans should seek professional help. Your hate/envy/jealousy for the Dawgs is at a sick level. You are consumed by it. You could crack anyday and you will eventually when Tech loses to Miami and Clemson and paybackcomes in Nov. And it is comming and in your heart of hearts you know it.

Bill

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

As usual Barnhart, you confuse us all with facts! Great article!!

MyWhiskeyClear

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

Interesting topic. School football history is made in championships of either type. For instance, Auburn touts its number of SEC titles while Bama can shows us its shiny National titles. Both say good things about the program and its historically great coaches. That said I don’t think you can blame fans for wanting their team to achieve the #1 rank and win it all. I do, however, agree that failing to do that does not reflect on the coach unless you’re talking about a botched game. So it’s probably a good idea to focus on the conference championship more than anything else.

Here’s hoping the Jackets enjoy the glory of a championship soon!

N.GA.DAWG

July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm

When you lose 1 game during the season(before any bowl game)you have to get lucky. It amazes me how many DA fans cant figure that one out. Heck lsu lost 2 and still got in. HERE’S A QUESTION FOR ALL THE LSU AND FLA PEOPLE. Can you go just 1 season undefeated? if not, you can ask the media for a shot. that’s already worked in 07. CMR will be at UGA as long as he wants. He will never be run out of town, i can promise you that! He will start 09 2-0 and beat tech again. MARK IT DOWN.

Tom

July 31st, 2009
12:44 pm

The only people you see making excuses and complaining are the ones who aren’t winning them. i.e. ga fans. It’s been almost 30 years since ga’s last championship. During that span, how many top 10 or top 5 or even #1 recruiting classes have we seen. Ga has been ranked in the top 10 in recruiting probably every year except maybe twice since 1980. That is not unlucky. It’s a TREND. It’s COACHING. It’s not being able to get over the preverbial hump. It’s losing to Sc and Vandy. It’s getting blown out against Tennessee, Bama and UF. These other schools don’t have any better classes than Ga on average the past 30 years. Yet UT has one, Bama one or two, Fla 3. FSU 2. Miami several. LSU 2. You’d think GA would luck out and get one. Ahh, but it’s not luck. It’s a trend. It’s coaching. And ol Tony, the apologizer for anything UGA, is there to make you feel all better. That you’re just unlucky. That CMR is a great coach. Ha. Defense wins cahmpionships. And GA made no changes from last year to this year. So expect more of the same. a 7-8 win season and more articles like this from Tony saying they were just unlucky. Sad.

athensdawg

July 31st, 2009
12:47 pm

I agree with the folks who said that CMR has one “knucklehead” game each year.

That is what keeps us from going to the next level. Last year, we had three knucklehead games…florida, bama, and GT…and an almost knucklehead vs. Auburn.

And all these “knucklehead” games follow the same pattern.
The week before, we won a “big emotional” game. (Bama – victory vs ASU) (Florida- victory vs. LSU) (GT-end of SEC schedule) So…it should be easy to predict the knucklehead games this year….

South Carolina (after a “big” game in stillwater)
LSU or Tennessee (depending on the ranking and situation when we play ASU or LSU…should we win both of those, we will definately have a knucklehead game vs. UT.)
GT (this could be a perinnial knucklehead game….since it is after we have completed the SEC schedule and pretty much locked in our bowl position.)

Florida game is going to be interesting. If we can run the ball and throw to the tight ends, we might have a chance. When UGA runs the ball successfully in jacksonville, we win….and all indications are pointing in that direction. Of course, if CWM don’t get it together, it doesn’t matter if we go into a wishbone and hold the ball for 45 minutes a game…..

However, until CMR and staff learn to overcome the “knucklehead” games – in which the team plays like a bunch of uninspired zombies – they will NEVER make it to the big dance.

with that being said…..i will say that time is on our side. he will figure it out….but it’s gonna take a while.

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Huh?

July 31st, 2009
12:50 pm

Oh darn. Tom really just put us in our place, especially with that “more of the same 7-8 win season” jab. I mean, Georgia has had so many of those recently that I’ve lost count. I’m sure Tony Barnhart would be mentioning Georgia and national championship in the same sentence if 7 or 8 wins seasons were the norm for Georgia. Makes perfect sense.

What a doofus.

Pete

July 31st, 2009
12:51 pm

The only area you can call it unlucky is being in the same division as fla. But LSU has done well with the cards it was dealt. And don’t compare 2007 uga to lsu. You lost your second game to south carolina. You couldn’t even score a TD. you needed ot to beat bama. and you got blown out by tennessee and beat vandy on pure luck. so enough with we were so great in 07. you ended the season strong but guess what. the season is not 6 weeks long. excuse making losers.

GO TIGERS.

Ron Mexico

July 31st, 2009
12:51 pm

Saint Simons works for the AJC. And his moronic posts are just an attempt (a successful one at that) to boost blog hits.

Gen Neyland

July 31st, 2009
12:56 pm

The New Generation of NC’s began in 1998…

how2fish

July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm

Great article as always !

GT fan ...

July 31st, 2009
12:58 pm

Playoff Tony, PLAYOFF …. your points mean squat!

There are probably 8-10 teams, maybe more, NOT in the NC game EVERY season that would have more than a legitimate shot at beating the “best team in college football” as you call each BCS winner. Could Texas, USC, Texas Tech, Oregon, Va Tech, Penn St., Ohio St., Oregon St., Utah, Ole Miss, have beaten Fla last year? Not to mention teams worthy of a 16 team playoff getting a 2nd shot at Fla (i.e. Bama, LSU, GA). Oh wait, one of those ten DID beat Fla last season! Aren’t they the “best team in college football” then?

Sure, you and many others will say it was a fluke win for Ole Miss, a 9-4 team. Well then, was it not a fluke win for Oregon St (9-4) to beat USC thus denying USC a shot at OU? But wait, Maybe Texas-USC for NC, or OU-TexTech, or Oregon-Fla, or Alabama-Penn State, or Utah-VaTech, or GA-LSU, or Ohio St.-Oregon St., or etc., etc., this list goes on.

Too many voters and not PLAYERS deciding which NC game the viewing population will watch doesn’t see fair to the many players, students, and fans of teams that have a truly legitimate & worthy chance to be the “best team in college football.” But then again life isn’t fair, and neither is the BCS.

It’s all about the benjamins ……..

Saint Simons

July 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

I have no life what-so-ever and a short memory to boot! I wish I had went to UGA, but ended up at the Yellow River Institute of Crayon Technology and flunked out. I guess I’ll never get over that rejection letter from the state’s flagship university. Nerds like me though…

Delusional SEC Fan

July 31st, 2009
1:06 pm

Recruiting is not luck. Coaching is not luck. National championships are not luck. If you consistently do a better job than your coaching peers, the championships will come.

“Win” is not spelled with an “h” and “e.”

“Whine” is.

Its a gator world

July 31st, 2009
1:18 pm

Billy Jack,

You said Mark Richt will rival Bear Bryant’s sec championships record by the time he retires? That’s assuming he doesn’t get him fired of course after years and years of losses to Urban.

Just want to know. What kind of super crack, super meth, or ultra super weed are you dog fans smoking to come up with stuff like that?

Warning--this just in

July 31st, 2009
1:28 pm

Drunk UGA fans texting are to blame for their team choking. Don’t worry. Obama wants to have a beer with Richt to discuss the reasons for his lack of championships. It’s gotta be luck. Bwahahaha.

CharlotteGator

July 31st, 2009
1:29 pm

Sorry about the confusion, my “SEC country” comment was meant to communicate that I miss living in Atlanta or other real SEC cities. Living here in NC has been a black hole from a college football perspective.

athensdawg,

I have to say, I totally agree with your post. The one thing that’s hampered UGA is losing a game or two they absolutely should not lose. Either to a team they should beat handily or in a blowout fashion to a team they should be able to hang with and potentially beat. 2002 and 2007 are held up as the banner seasons where UGA got screwed, but I readily admit UF had no business winning in 2002 (we were terrible) and the 2007 UT loss was bad enough that I don’t know you can make the argument that “we’d have whipped LSU” which I’ve seen in other posts.

Really good analysis, and I agree that Richt’s time is coming. All indications point to this year being a turning point, however, selfishly, I hope it’s not until next year that you guys figure it out. :) JAX is gonna be fun and is in my opinion the toughest game on the sched. for the Gators.

ReptilesRule

July 31st, 2009
1:30 pm

Great=Elite and I would not consider Mark Richt to be either one. Very good would be a better description. I think every “great” coach, the Urban Meyer’s, the Pete Carroll’s, the Nick Saban’s, the Bobby Stoops all have consistant success AND a NC to go along with it. If Richt does win a NC and continues to win at his current pace, then you can call him great…

archangeladidas

July 31st, 2009
1:31 pm

All uga had to do was beat bama in their own stadium and couldn’t do it. Had their foot on gt throat and couldn’t hold on to a lead at home. You want to complain that UF has home field advantage in jacksonville. You losers can’t even win at home! CMR is a average coach at best. All you garabagedawgs have to do is win. Then you don’t have to worry about what happens in other parts of the country. LOSERS! GO GATORS!!!

GatorGreg

July 31st, 2009
1:32 pm

Hey, I’m a compassionate guy. I think it’s great that UGA fans have articles like Tony’s to make them feel a little better about themselves while we are winning all of these National Championships!

Don

July 31st, 2009
2:01 pm

Let’s look at UGA’s recruiting class since 2002 along with other sec schools. It’s called COACHING.

2002 Tenn-2 Uga-3 auburn-6
2003 LSU-1 UF-2 Uga-6 Sth car-8
2004 LSU-2 Uga-6 Fla-7
2005 Tenn-4 UGA-10
2006 UF-2 UGA-4 LSu-7
2007 UF 1 Tenn 3 Lsu 4 usc 6 aub 7 uga 9
2008 bama 1 UF 3 Uga 7
2009 bama 1 lsu 2 ga 6

all top 10 classes every year. and no nat champ appearances. what does that tell you? i guarantee you wont find any other school with all top 10’s and not playing in the title game since then. What sucks for ga is amabama is due to win one soon with saban. Gators this year. So soddddy.

Matt

July 31st, 2009
2:06 pm

The people bashing UGA by using Bama as an example are making fools out of themselves as well. Bama hasn’t won a National Title since 1992 and havnen’t meant much to the SEC this decade. Bama has had one good year under Saban and they were 7-6 the year before. The SEC should be ranked like this for the decade.

Elite:
1. UF
2. LSU

Really Good
3. UGA
4. Auburn
5. Tennessee
6. Alabama

Mediocre
7. Arkansas
8. South Carolina
9. Miss St.
10. Ole Miss

Bad
11. Kentucky
12. Vandy

Oh, can any Bama fan remind me how Saban followed up “great” years at LSU and Michigan St? If you don’t know, the answer is, An 8 or 9 win season. Saban has yet to put together back to back double digit win seasons. This year wont be the start.

Coach D

July 31st, 2009
2:11 pm

I agree that “greatness” is subjective.

There are some coaches that are innovative in terms of coming up with offensive or defensive schemes, and that’s their claim to “greatness”. UGA’s Wally Butts was light years ahead of most coaches during his era in regards to the passing game. So he was great as an innovator but mediocre as a head coach for a variety of reasons.

For some winning over 300 games is greatness. So the Joe Paterno’s and Bobby Bowden’s are great if you use that as your measuring stick even though in terms of winning National Titles, they would only be considered good since they have only won a couple each.

For others, it’s less about how many games you win and more about how many Championships you win or what kind of dynasty you can put together in that amount of time( i.e. Bud Wilkenson or Pete Caroll)

For others, greatness is being able to build a program from the ground up(i.e Nick Saban or Steve Spurrier). For some greatness is being able to come into a decorated program and maintain the same level of excellence(i.e.Urban Meyer or a Lou Holtz). And some have made the argument that greatness is being able to win with lesser talent( Jim Grobe).

Regardless of the criteria one uses for greatness, the one thing that is consistent across the board is a commitment to excellence in whatever area one chooses to be great in. And as long as one can live up to the standards that they set for themselves, then it doesn’t matter what others think. Greatness, like talent, proves itself over time.

Whopper Dawg

July 31st, 2009
2:18 pm

Tony, you are right. The BCS has absolutely nothing to do with deciding what team is the best football team. It is based strictly and solely on human opinion and computer “what ifs”. The preseason rankings alone eliminates 97% of the teams from title contention before the first kick off. A shame really.

EW

July 31st, 2009
2:21 pm

ok, so there are good coaches at all levels of football, but I would contest that only great coaches make it to programs like FL, GA, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State etc.. So yes I think you can call a number of D1 football coaches great, that’s how they got their job in the first place.

EW

July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm

and for the nerds, there hasn’t been a GREAT coach at Tech since the 50’s, but you knew that. The great coaches flock to the best programs, and as much as you want to hang your hat on a 45-42 anomaly, you still aren’t even close to touching the likes of a UGA when it comes to program prestiege.

DT

July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm

EW
Who has more National Champs? That would be GT. 30 years since UGA’s last one. 20 for GT. So such up ignorant fool. Prestiege. LMAO! What a oxymoron. Mark and Paul are both good coaches. I would say PJ has a much better winning pedigree than MR. Remember Tressel at OSU coached at Div 1aa before the move up. You’ll see in 5 years when GT has a Nat Champ and a 5-1 record v/s the rednecks.

ThaMan

July 31st, 2009
2:35 pm

Meyer, THE Bear, Spurrier, Osborne, Switzer, Stoops, Brown. All lucky. However, they were and are lucky every year. Go figure! YEP! ALL LUCK!

NotAgain

July 31st, 2009
2:35 pm

Yeah, Yeah, we want a National Championship eventually!

Greg

July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm

Yeah what prestiege. John Heisman. Bobby Dodd. Bobby Ross. Soon to be CPJ. Yeah no presteige there. Dumba**es.