Big Ten, Pac-10 had no choice on Rose Bowl access

 

 The Big Ten announced on Monday at its preseason meetings that the five Coalition (non-BCS) conferences will finally have access to the Rose Bowl under the new BCS agreement which begins after the 2010 regular season.

 Simply put, the first time in the new deal the Rose Bowl loses one of its designated champions (Big Ten, Pac-10) to the BCS championship game, the Rose Bowl must invite a Coalition conference champion if one has qualified for a BCS at-large spot. If this rule had been in effect last season and USC had played in the BCS championship game, the Rose Bowl would have been required to invite 12-0 Utah, the Mountain West champion, which qualified for a BCS at-large berth by finishing No. 6 in the final standings.

(If you’re an SEC or ACC fan and wondering why you should care about this, here’s why. Should you get a second team in the BCS on a year that this rule is enforced, it means your team would be locked out of Pasadena. But that’s another discussion for another time.)

 This is a pretty big deal. A member of one of the five Coalition conferences (Conference USA, Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun Belt) has never played in the Rose Bowl, which has been a source of irritation among the other BCS Bowls (Sugar, Fiesta, Orange). Under the previous BCS agreements, the Rose had the right to pass on a Coalition team, which is why 9-3 Illinois took Ohio State’s place in Pasadena two years ago.

A couple of points on that announcement:

Not to be immodest, but we first reported this news on May 29. Here is the link:

http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/05/29/sec-headed-to-a-big-payday-in-2010/

Secondly, understand that the Big Ten and Pac-10 are not granting this access to the Rose out of the goodness of their hearts. Those conferences were told in no uncertain terms that the exclusion of the Coalition conferences by the Rose had to end in the new BCS deal in which ESPN will pay $125 million per year to televise the games.

It was also a way for the BCS to be able to say that it is continuing to expand access to the games, which is something you probably should do when you’re routinely getting hauled before Congress and asked to justify your existence.

Now the folks at the Mountain West Conference, who continue to push for a merit-based eight team playoff, probably looked at this news as another way that the BCS throws them a few more crumbs from the banquet table and hopes they will be satisfied. They won’t be. The next five years of the BCS are going to be filled with a lot of tension and discussion about access and money.

If the six equity conferences (ACC, SEC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12 Pac-10) in the BCS are smart, the next thing they will do is allow the Coalition conferences to get two teams in the mix if they both finish in the Top 10 of the final BCS Standings. But while that looks fair on paper, there will be some pushback from the big conferences and the bowls. Had that rule been in place last season, when Utah (12-0) finished No. 6 and Boise State (12-0) finished No. 9, one of the big boys, probably No. 10 Ohio State (10-2, went to the Fiesta to play Texas), would have gotten left out. That would not make the bowls or the TV guys, who are paying the bills, very happy.

Stay tuned.

 

 

77 comments Add your comment

Saint Simons

July 29th, 2009
3:23 pm

45-42 (( I’m the biggest tool ever )). Oh yeah, if you’re reading this mom, will you make me another grilled cheese and leave it at the top of the basement stairs. Thanks mommy.

CharlotteGator

July 29th, 2009
3:35 pm

jumbeaux,

You’re correct. I missed adding that one to my list. Had that game on in the background and started paying attention when my wife started yelling about all the great plays. Then took advantage of the DVR. :)

jumbeauxtiger

July 29th, 2009
3:38 pm

Tide Rising, I remember well as a kid that the Cotton was one of the big 4 bowls on New Years. I would love to see Dallas pick up a 5th BCS bowl.

I do recall vividily that the only time I have tailgated in the morning and it was dark was when we played Texas in the 2002 Cotton Bowl. The game started started at 10am :)

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

saint simons lover

July 29th, 2009
3:41 pm

saint simons can you bring the extender with you next time?

Adam

July 29th, 2009
3:42 pm

How’s this…

Why not add 2 more BCS Bowl games (replace others if necessary) and then let the non-coalition teams determine who gets which automatic bid. Having four BCS bowl games will probably be the way that the 8 team playoff enters the BCS picture. Add the other 2 games and give the non-coalition teams access to them while preserving the tradition of the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowls. My .02

Smarty

July 29th, 2009
3:43 pm

I am amazed at the immaturity of St. Simons, Saint Simons, and all that respond to them. I guess when you don’t have a way to keep 8 year-olds off the blogs, this is what you get.

Paul Lee

July 29th, 2009
3:54 pm

Tony, congrats on the TV Show. Will you still be doing the Thursday radio show with Wes ? Paul

Tide Rising

July 29th, 2009
4:22 pm

Jumbeauxtiger,

Yeah. Few people remember that the Cotton used to be one of the big 4. If and when they add a 5th bcs game they are saying it will be most likely dallas and I think we in Atlanta are a distant 2nd.

Tide Rising

July 29th, 2009
4:32 pm

Smarty,

I think he’s more like 9 1/2 years old. Most of us have just learned to ignore him though some continue to get baited by him. Same with m. I think people sometimes respond to m just because they find it that difficult to believe someone can be that stupid. Personally I just chuckle when I see Simon’s usual post. It makes me wonder just how much mileage one can get out of a 3 point win.

GWJ

July 29th, 2009
5:27 pm

The entire BCS system is a JOKE!

UGASlobberknocker

July 29th, 2009
7:05 pm

They should make the sixth spot now held by the Big East available to the most deserving champion of the non BCS conferences (adding Big East to that list). MWC is better than the Big East. The ACC is not much better than either the MWC or Big East, but I am realistic enough to know they wont get thrown out.

Also, IMO, ONLY conference champions should be eligible for the championship game..I dont care what the circumstances are. If you cant win your conference , you shouldnt play for #1. I felt that way in 07 when we thought the Dawgs had a shot, although I kept it to myself for obvious reasons.

UGASlobberknocker

July 29th, 2009
7:07 pm

I was in St Simons this week..I kept looking for a billboard that said
45-42hahahahahahahahahahaha..but , no.

I think St Simons really lives in a trailer park in Hahira. The closest he comes to the beach is dumping some river sand besides his above ground pool.

UGASlobberknocker

July 29th, 2009
7:14 pm

Congratulations, Tony, on your new TV show. Finally, something good to watch on a weeknight!!!

UGASlobberknocker

July 29th, 2009
7:21 pm

Finally, a photo of blogger St Simons. click the link

http://mail.live.com/default.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

lamar

July 29th, 2009
9:35 pm

SAINT SIMON YOU ARE A IDIOT! GT FINALLY BEATS GA IN OVER 8 YEARS & BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENS YOU ARE TRYING TO GO OVERBOARD WITH IT! THEN AGAIN GT NEVER HAS BEAT GA SO 20 YEARS OF CHEERING HAS COME TO A HEAD HUH?? ENJOT IT BECAUSE IT WILL BE ANOTHER 20 YEARS! YOU ARE NOT EVEN A FLY ON THE WALL WHEN IT COMES TO FOOTBALL! YOU WAS EVEN SO GLAD YOUR DUMB TEAM MADE A RING WITH THE SCORE! IF GA DID THIS THEY WOULD HAVE RUN OUT OF FINGERS TO WEAR THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE BEAT YOU SO MANY YEARS! ENJOY IT , IT WANT HAPPEN AGAIN IDIOT! GO DAWGS!

JSS

July 30th, 2009
12:01 am

I can’t stop laughing USC is chicken… Hilarious… The same USC program that came to Auburn Alabama and ran the ball down the throat of a SEC elite program… The same USC program that waylaid a ARKANSAS team in their own stadium with the so-called Wildhog that paralyzed the Bengal Tigers… The same So. Cal program that has flown cross country to face any comer? You didn’t want any part of that…

Once again, Barnhardt, I hope you’re more entertaining now then you are on CBS… YAWN!!!

david

July 30th, 2009
12:28 am

Boise St or Utah would fill up Pasadena and spend millions more then Zook’s Il. team – or any 2nd place big 10 (11) team any day– if you think for a minute they wouldnt youre delusional.

david

July 30th, 2009
12:29 am

JSS–nice showing in Corvalis YAWN

Pago Flyer

July 30th, 2009
1:31 am

We watch all Bowl Games…this is college football?

JSS

July 30th, 2009
8:15 am

At least they didn’t roll over like a scolded dog on their own field when they got punched in the mouth… Has that same Bama team that got spanked by a so-called fluke (Utah) stopped running up the score in Athens yet? I won’t bring up what those Gators keep doing to ya’! What’s that record over the last 20 years again?

By the way, So. Cal went home and away with Utah, home and away with the War Eagle, and UVA, OSU… And what is aggregrate point difference in their loses? 4 points!!! At least they lose on the field, and with the exception of the Stanford loss, they lost to teams that just played better…

Stop living through 17 to 21 year old boys for kicks…

[...] Tony Barnhart gives us a little more detailed look on why this came to pass. We don’t like this one bit, because it could potentially lock out a more deserving team. Scenario, USC is off to play in the BCSCG against a SEC school and Cal is 3 in the BCS standings and Utah is 4. Utah is heading to the Granddaddy. And speaking of Mr. College Football, he’ll be coming to televisions this fall on the CBS College Sports Network. [...]

Dave R

July 30th, 2009
10:02 am

Where do the delusional people who think that the MWC is anywhere near as good as the Big East come from? Do they just not know how bad the bottom half of the conference is? There are only three teams in the MWC last year that would have beat any Big East teams other than Louisville and my Orange more than one time in three on a neutral field. Only five would even manage two out of three against SU or Louisville (SDSU, Wyoming, UNLV, and New Mexico would not). And that was the best year for the MWC ever, and the worst year for the Big East since 2004.

The MWC is far and away the strongest non-BCS league. But better than the Big East? That’s nonsense.

uuugh.

July 30th, 2009
12:32 pm

DaveR. So the BCS is acting out against the Rose Bowl, Pac 10, and Big 10 huh? I guess the tail should wag the dog then.

The Pac10, Big 10, and Rose Bowl have been the road blocks to a playoff system from the get go. It is those substandard conferences with big $ that think their teams should have equal access without having to play a conference championship game. That seems fair. These 2 bad conferences and the has been bowl game are holding up any progress college football could make. I can really see why you support them.

Here’s hoping we get a 1 loss USC and a terrible 1 loss Ohio State team in another boring BCS match up.

At least Fox doesn’t get the games any more…so there is something positve.

Go away Dave R.

RustBelt

July 30th, 2009
6:04 pm

I can’t believe all you so called college football fans bringing up potential tv ratings as a reason a team should or should not make a BCS bowl. Lets not forget we are talking about tax payer funded institutions (except ND and few others) with non paid student athletes playing amateur football. Who gives a rip about advertising dollars? What happened to may the best man/team win, or in this case even get a chance to play? I for one don’t want to see the same teams playing in the same bowls regardless of record. Why are there bowls involved in the first place? Between college programs, the NCAA, and big TV money, we decided to add another middleman in form of bowls. These bowls take some of the financial pie and care about nothing but making money for themselves.
Playoffs for godsake. Conference champs get in automatically, at large bids chosen by sportswriters, first round played at home by the higher ranked team. Why is this so gosh darn complicated?

SuperB

August 2nd, 2009
12:11 pm

Enough is enough! The coalition conferences do not deserve to get the BCS bowls. Put any of the SEC’s second or third-place teams in those leagues and the SEC teams would go 12-0. Despite Bama’s meltdown, the record is clear– the coalition teams have no business playing with the big boys on New Year’s Day. The Conference USA camp in the Rose Bowl?

Djawjuh

August 2nd, 2009
6:50 pm

Two thoughts. One, Tony is a Georgia homer and is in bed with Richt. Richt will need all the help he can get after the upcoming season, Tony Blowhard notwithstanding. And I am a Georgia fan and have been all my life and will be after my life. Richt is a middle tier coach and can’t compete with Miles, Saban an especially Meyer, all of whom have one a National Championship in half the time that Richt has been at Georgia. And we ain’t gotta shot at it again this year either. Thus the explanation that you can be a great coach and not win a NC. Absurd.

Would Bear Bryant be such a heralded coach had he not won six national championships? Come on now.

Second, I find the sobriquet “Mr. College Football” to be grossly inaccurate. What are his credentials for such? None except blogs in the AJC many of which are off the mark such as this one.

One day the AJC should require Tony to respond to the comments on this page.

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