ACC’s new TV deal must close the gap with the SEC

 

 

Greensboro, N.C.—The ACC expanded in 2004 to add Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech for one very important reason: The league wanted to go to 12 teams in order to make sure it didn’t lose its seat at the table—both competitively and financially–with the big boys of college football.

In most aspects, expansion has been a success for ACC football. No, the league has not been in the national championship discussion lately, but it has done very well at the bank. In 2005 it signed a new seven-year television contract with ABC and ESPN for a reported $258 million. Simply because of expansion, the ACC went from making about $21 million per year on televised football to about $37.6 million per year. Last year the ACC sent a record 10 teams to bowl games. So from a purely financial standpoint, expansion has worked.

But that was then and this is now. And right now the SEC has changed the entire landscape of college sports with its staggering 15-year, $3 billion agreements with ESPN and CBS.

 “The SEC deal is certainly huge in terms of the dollars and the length of the agreement,” Swofford said when I met with him at the ACC Football Kickoff. “There is usually a separation of some kind that is inevitable when new deals are struck. But I will admit that this separation is larger than most.”

The SEC deal impacts everything and everybody. Conservatively, SEC schools expect to see their annual shared revenue jump from about $11 million per school to over $16 million per school per  year. That is a game changer in a competitive market. While other conferences like the ACC are cutting costs (the ACC cut its budget by 6 percent for the coming year) the SEC is suddenly flush with cash. There is more money to attract the best coaches. There is more money for recruiting. The increased exposure gives the SEC an edge in recruiting.

The ACC’s television deals expire after the 2011 season and Swofford made it clear that his league must find a way to close that gap in the next television contract.

Here is the problem. The SEC agreed to its deal in the summer of 2008, right before the bottom dropped out of the economy. The ACC is trying to negotiate its new deal in a lousy economy.

And in order to maximize its dollars in the next television contract, the ACC may have to get creative—and a little bold. It is only a concept right now, but the ACC could eventually join forces with another conference–say the Pac-10–to give greater negotiating power with the networks.

By design, the ACC’s lucrative men’s basketball contracts are up for renewal at the same time as football. In the past, these contracts have been negotiated separately because basketball carried so much weight. Swofford said that the two sports may be joined into one contract next time around. So basketball could be used to as leverage to maximize football revenue.

Swofford made it clear that his first choice in these negotiations is to stick with the ACC’s current television partners: ABC, ESPN, and Raycom. But the SEC said goodbye to some of its TV partners when it sold everything to ESPN and CBS. Because of what the SEC has done, the ACC is going to face some tough choices in the next two years.

“We just have to see how this plays out, but yes, these are important negotiations for us. What it’s about is doing the best with what you have, whether it’s a lot or a little,” said Swofford. “With all that said, I’d rather have a lot than a little.”

 

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Spike

July 28th, 2009
7:16 am

ACC football… Yawn.

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
7:16 am

saint simons—-Speaking as someone who doesn’t really have a dog in your tussle with UGA, may I suggest that you need to get some newer and funnier one-liners? I understand that some bloggers feel that their principal reason for posting is to provide entertainment for others—-what’s yours? Funny can be good, but repetitive insults is, well, boring.

Top Dawg

July 28th, 2009
7:27 am

Does anybody know how many media passes were issued for the ACC Media Days?

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
7:32 am

The ACC made a real power move when it added Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech to the league. The ACC powers-that-be knew the conference’s football teams would make more money, get more and better television exposure, and, they hoped, become a regular fixture in BCS title discussions.

Virginia Tech has held up its end of the bargain, but the ACC’s two marquee football programs, Florida State and Miami, promptly nose-dived. Bad timing for the ACC, but some good may have come of it yet. The power vacuum created by FSU and Miami’s downturn has allowed programs like Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Wake Forest an opportunity to improve, strengthening the ACC from the bottom up.

The ACC is currently a good football conference, but it currently lacks a high-profile national championship contender, like Florida or Alabama, at the top. Until FSU or Miami return to the top ranks of Division I football, or until Georgia Tech, North Carolina or Virginia Tech experience a true break-out season followed by some consistency in remaining in contention yearly, the ACC will remain the conference of parity and unrealized “potential.”

BTW, Wake Forest football under Grobe may be good from time to time, but the ACC cannot rely on Wake to carry the ball for it—-Wake’s alumni and fan base is too small to put bottoms in seats and fill stadiums for conference championships and bowl games. The ACC really needs its larger schools (with bigger regional and national fanbases) to return to the top ranks of Division I football.

BWH Dawg

July 28th, 2009
7:48 am

SEC Rules,

The worst mistake GTech ever made was leaving the ACC. You Tech fans cannot blame that decision on the Georgia Board of Regents, your lack of a large student body or politics. This decision was made by your legendary coach, Bobby Dodd. So, while each SEC team receives over $16 million in TV revenue ALONE, you and your ACC brethren get $3.13 million each. My calculus says this is more than 5 times what the Almost Competitive Conference gets in TV revenue. For all of your so called academic prowess in the classroom, the SEC is eating your lunch in the real (business) world. The SEC is the most financially secure and the best conference on the field. The worst news for you Techies is that you could have enjoyed this success, but Bobby decided to leave for greener pastures many years ago. Welcome to the private HELL that your own coach created. HaHaHa. THWGT!!!!!!

chris o bomb

July 28th, 2009
7:50 am

thwg… sec bball like the big ten football is boring(besides a little ut and the regular stir up of kentucky). hope the 3 billion dollar deal will not put more sec bball games on the prime time slots. see ratings.

Gator Mike

July 28th, 2009
7:51 am

Not to be disrespectful to our ACC friends, but I am sure that most of us SEC fans could not care less about ACC deals or their conference as a whole. I am sure the ACC fans feel the same about the SEC.
Go Gators and Go SEC!!!

ACC

July 28th, 2009
7:54 am

ACC= Another Crappy Conference!!!!

Bub

July 28th, 2009
7:57 am

One major difference between the SEC and the ACC right now is the popularity of their respective championship games. The SEC can’t print enough tickets for theirs, while the ACC can’t give them away, no matter where the game is played. Until that changes, the ACC will always be considered a second-class football league.

SEC

July 28th, 2009
7:59 am

SEC= Sorry Excuse for Conference.

Mr Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
8:00 am

hey , the only reason saint simons keeps posting that,, is that it is ALL his whole life hinges on….he probably doesnt have a wife or kids but if he does he doesnt pay them any attention, for the dawgs consume his life so bad that he has all this fustration built up over his IRRLEVANT team losing to Georgia……..Im starting to feel well …..kinda sorry for him:(

Who is Gt??

July 28th, 2009
8:00 am

Gt is IRRLEVANT!!!!!!So is the ACC

Jim

July 28th, 2009
8:11 am

Why Wouldn’t Tony go to the ACC and ask questions about the SEC, He is asking them to compare themselves to the Best in Football, Basketballa And Baseball! The SEC is the giant that everyone is looking up to. Just always remember SEC SEC SEC SEC!

Breaking News

July 28th, 2009
8:26 am

Tony,

ABC just announced it will not carry the ACC Championship game but will instead air the Dinah Shore Open.

ESPN said it “has no intention” of picking up the game and further stated it “has no idea” where it is being played.

Uh, BWH Dawg

July 28th, 2009
8:26 am

…”The worst mistake GTech ever made was leaving the ACC.”

I believe you mean leaving the SEC?!?!?!?!? But, you are correct that it was the greener pastures of being like Notre Dame as an independent that led Coach Dodd to talk the powers that be into leaving the conference.

And, Tech has continued to hold up their end of the bargain – they ARE just like Notre Dame – totally irrelevant in today’s football, and bascially all of college sports, world!

Gen Neyland

July 28th, 2009
8:27 am

Gotta have a product to sell or else the slogan for a huge ACC TV contract may read, ‘There’s a sucker born every minute’…

Seriously?

July 28th, 2009
8:31 am

I wonder how happy ESPN and CBS are going to be when UT, Auburn, UK, Vandy & Miss St. are below .500, then usce and arkansas might be bowl eligible, uga & ole miss both have unimpressive 8-4 seasons….hmm, so they basically bought Tebows last year (urban will be gone afterwards), 3 years of Saban (you know he won’t be there longer than that) and LSU…I have a question, when you can’t even fill up all of your bowl spots, how can you brag about how “brutal” your conference schedule is? Scary thing is that now all ESPIN is going to do is hype the “SEC” even more than the imbreds already do. Its ok, you have huge stadiums though.

Anonymous

July 28th, 2009
8:35 am

m = saint simons = god and greyhound

No one else on the blog uses the expression “homer gomer”. Thank God.

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
8:42 am

Gator Mike—-Apparently, you have very little imagination. The ACC television contract should be very relevant to SEC fans, and Gator fans in particular, because of its impact on Florida State and Miami’s football programs, and other SEC rival schools in the ACC throughout the region. It wasn’t all that long ago that the Gators were lucky to have 3 to 4 of their football games shown on one of the major networks (and the rest on Jefferson Pilot, ESPN2, Sunshine, or pay-per-view). Times have changed, but there is still a lot of regional competition for which games get shown, on which networks, and in which time slots.

Cleatm

July 28th, 2009
8:42 am

Some people are talking about the ACC making a deal with Fox or TBS/TNT. Fox coverage lacks.. but i just want to make a deal with some network.

Zell

July 28th, 2009
8:52 am

Where is the ACC championship game?

Kevin Greene

July 28th, 2009
8:55 am

Tony -

Since ESPN has agreed to show all the SEC games on one of their networks, how does this effect the other conferences? Will the ACC need to go to another network? Fox gave up the BCS, are they getting out of the College Game? Is NBC (Notre Dame Broadcasting Co.) looking for another partner? Could the ACC do a similar deal with CBS/ESPN and switch time slots (ACC game on ESPN at 3:30pm and on CBS at 7:30pm)?

Don’t forget, these TV contracts also effect the Neutral Site games and also could change the Bowl tie-ins (which are also being worked on right now).

Yellowblood

July 28th, 2009
9:12 am

You may have more money than us but you have no academicic integrity and you certainly don’t have Tickle Piles.

jumbeauxtiger

July 28th, 2009
9:15 am

You are correct about Wake Atlanta Gator. Grobe has done a good ob but they can’t carry the ACC. I believe Wake is the smallest school in 1A.

I hope the ACC does get stronger as I think it’s good for college football.

Geaux Tigers]
Go SEC

SomewhereinGA

July 28th, 2009
9:16 am

Compare the SEC Champioship game with the ACC’s this past year….no comparison! Empty seats everywhere to see two mules fighting over a turnip as Lewis would have said.

What a joke…even Saint Simons agrees with me on that!

JoeV

July 28th, 2009
9:16 am

Gator Mike…

If you could not care less you wouldn’t have clicked the link when you read the headline. Go away.

SimpleDawg

July 28th, 2009
9:16 am

You little yeller fellers are at it again……

Expansion has helped the ACC immensely. The conference has deservedly gained much greater respect and notoriety for football. Top to bottom, it is a consistently competitive conference…and it’s only going to get better, but so is everyone else.

The 85 scholarship rule is the single greatest factor in the rise of the ACC members, as well as the traditional doormats of the SEC, Big 12, the Boise States, Utahs, etc. of the college football world. The major difference in team-to-team recruiting and on-the-field performances is directly tied to the head coach. Good coaches in a major conference can build a good program; great coaches in a major conference can build great programs, and the greater the existing tradition, the quicker the rise.

It ain’t rocket science people….if it were, those little yeller fellers would win every game…theoretically speaking of course.

CharlotteGator

July 28th, 2009
9:17 am

Living in ACC country, I’m not quite sure that the ACC’s TV deal is ever going to match the SEC’s. For better or worse, I believe the main reason the SEC deal is so lucrative is because of the intense demand among the SEC’s fans and the trickle down effect. When SEC fanbases are passionate they buy tickets, they travel, the watch games, they fill up stadiums, etc. The increased $ from all that improves coaching hires and exposure, which gives an edge in recruiting, which eventually translates to better play on the field. Then you just rinse and repeat. I’m sure I left out a ton more side effects. Experiencing ACC country firsthand, there is one fact that is brutally apparent: this is basketball country. I just don’t see the demand of ACC football fans ever approaching that of the SEC. Even now, all that’s on the radio is how long until NFL training camp. Any college football talk is usually SEC related unless they’re interviewing an ACC coach. I liken ACC football to SEC basketball. No matter the level of success (see back to back UF championships) it’s never going to be the same level as football.

As for all the complaints of SEC talk during ACC coverage, what else should Tony be talking about? What are the interesting story lines in the ACC? Dabo at Clemson? VaTech fixing it’s offensive woes? Miami on the comeback? Teams adjusting to Tech’s offense? FSU transitioning to Jimbo? NC State’s QB in year 2? What’s the riveting storyline that Tony should be covering coming out of the ACC?

Bamafan

July 28th, 2009
9:18 am

The ACC is a basketball conference just like the SEC is a football conference. If Florida State and Miami ever get back to playing good football than the ACC would have a very good football conference. The SEC can not hang with the ACC in basketball, but watch out for Kentucky when all of
the 5 stars players start playing this season and the fighting gators has a pretty good baketball program all so!!

SugarHillDawg

July 28th, 2009
9:21 am

Hey how about the Home Shopping Network.

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
9:23 am

Zell—The ACC Championship Game was held in Tampa last year, and will be again this year. The first three years the game was held in Jacksonville. In 2010, it moves to Charlotte for two years.

For what it’s worth, Wikipedia says that 53,927 tickets were sold, but only 27,360 were counted at the turnstiles. (What’s up with that, sports fans?) Best attendance was 72,000+ for the first ACC CG in 2005, when #22 FSU beat #5 Virginia Tech.

IM4BAMA

July 28th, 2009
9:25 am

The only Gap the ACC will close is between it’s legs.

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
9:26 am

SimpleDawg—-You know how to toss a clever insult and talk smack. Kudos to you. Woof, woof.

Marta Evangelist

July 28th, 2009
9:29 am

Wow. I’ve never been much of a conspiracy theorist, but your lack of clarity with the numbers here is disturbing. Why do you publish the numbers for the SEC for ALL sports, but publish the ACC numbers for football only? Did you not think that readers would try to compare the two numbers directly? (BWH Dog already did). The bottom line is, until this renegotiation, the ACC had a better deal than the SEC. Once the ACC gets a new deal in two years, the two conferences will be really close.

It’s funny how some SEC fans hang their hats on TV deals, large stadiums, and high recruiting rankings. Personally, I only care if my team wins…that’s all that matters.

heelacious

July 28th, 2009
9:38 am

dot com or rag version, either way the ajc and their $ec shill barnhart are going to stuff the keyboard w/ $ec bias. The acc championship game was gifted to Fl. to appease Miami and F$U. Big mistake. In 2010 it moves to Charlotte and will be sold out from then on…bank on it.
Take ‘bama, UF, and occasionally Uga out of the $ec and the rest would struggle to get to .500 vs. the ACC. And the gap is narrowing. You better hope ‘bama can handle VT. The gap aint what it used to be.

Gator Mike

July 28th, 2009
9:44 am

Atlanta, good shot, but you really missed my point. Most SEC Fans, myself included, do not really care what is going on in the ACC. They have their venue, and allof us have ours. Past tense is not the issue to me. I have my season tickets in the Swamp, and I have also suffered through the good and bad years, but that is all past tense. Personally, my focus is on now as are most GATOR, DAWG, BAMA, VOL, etc fans. Our concern is this years SEC race. Let the ACC folks do their thing. I hope you agree with me that the ACC fans are probably P###ed off that the SEC has the GA Dome locked up for the Conf Championship Game for the next few years.
Have a nice day.

PTC DAWG

July 28th, 2009
9:53 am

An ACC fan hit the nail on the head above, it’s the FANS, and their interest. I frankly don’t see the ACC selling out Charlotte for the SECCG unless Clemson or VA TECH or FSU is involved.

And yes, a great move by the SEC to lock down the GA DOME for the SECCG.

CharlotteGator

July 28th, 2009
9:54 am

heelacious,

I agree that after the game moves here to the Queen City, it will do a lot better attendance wise. Hopefully the matchup on the field will be a good contest as well.

As far as…
“Take ‘bama, UF, and occasionally Uga out of the $ec and the rest would struggle to get to .500 vs. the ACC. And the gap is narrowing.”

That’s a little crazy don’t you think? That’s like saying the ACC is terrible without VaTech, GaTech, etc. Might be true, but you can say that about any conference if you take its best teams out. Weak argument. Also, I think LSU would have no problems matching up with any ACC contender you want to throw at them. I believe they had a little success against the ACC’s best a few years ago if I’m not mistaken.

CharlotteGator

July 28th, 2009
9:57 am

Atlanta Gator,

Great 7:32 a.m. post. Tony could have lifted it and stuffed it into his post :)

Must have had the coffee going to bring it like that before most have gotten to work. Great stuff as usual.

Mark in Woodstock

July 28th, 2009
10:02 am

The GA Dome is not the place for the ACC title game…the place is Charlotte…it should have always been in the Panthers stadium from the start…right in the middle of the conference. As an ACC fan I agree with you…I care about my conference and hardly pay attention to the other.

Not Disappointed

July 28th, 2009
10:05 am

I think Charlotte is a good place for the acc as well.

Ramblin Wreck!

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
10:12 am

An important fact that is often overlooked is this:

No matter what conference or sport we’re talking about, ANY AND ALL MONEY that ABC, ESPN, CBS, etc. give to a conference, ultimately comes from…THE FANS.

I guess it wont be long before Walmart OWNS the SEC.

Mark in Woodstock

July 28th, 2009
10:13 am

Putting the game in Jax and Tampa were incredibly stupid decisions….they put those games down there and set up the divisions with the thought FSU and Miami would dominate the conference…that didn’t work out so well.

Ed-Covington

July 28th, 2009
10:16 am

Let’s compare apples to apples. The SEC deal is for 15 years for all sports; the ACC has negotiated its TV contracts seperately for basketball and football. We are comparing the ACC “football only” contract with the SEC “all-inclusive” contract without even mentioning what the ACC basketball contract is worth. Also, didn’t the ACC play the championship game in Charlotte but have poor ticket sales? THWG & THWVT!

Joe

July 28th, 2009
10:17 am

WOW Tony…I am impressed. Here we have an article that’s not about UF, Urban or Tebow…….what happened??????? Sort of surprised it didnt read “ACC’s new TV deal must close gap with Meyer, Tebow and the rest of the SEC”

Coach Cool

July 28th, 2009
10:22 am

ACC is a BASKETBALL conference that happens to play some football.

The SEC is the OPPOSITE (FOOTBALL conference that happens to play some basketball.)

March Madness has a higher q-rating than the BCS (ever see any empty seats at a Final Four venue??? Look at all the empties at non-championship BCS sites!!!)

It’s sad when you’re WOMEN’S sports (I’m including gymnastics) have a higher profile than your MEN’S sport.

BWAAAAAA HAAAAA!!!

North Avenue Dude

July 28th, 2009
10:26 am

It’s all…BREAD & CIRCUSES.

god and greyhound

July 28th, 2009
10:27 am

the realignment of the acc should have rutgers, BC and UConn in the north, not in different regions like they are now.

Gen Neyland

July 28th, 2009
10:34 am

Joe : What possessed you to bring Florida, Meyer and Tebow into the conversation today..? My shrink says you might be subliminally infected.

Gatorzone

July 28th, 2009
10:34 am

WHen did Rutgers and UConn join the ACC?

DeaconPeach

July 28th, 2009
10:46 am

Bravo Atlanta Gator! Great posts…are you sure you really went to the same school as Gator Mike?

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:18 am

It all comes down to…”the customers”… the fans, and the alumni base.

The SEC, as a conference, has two a decidely unique advantages in the following way:

Three SEC members: Arkansas, Tennessee, and Louisiana are examples of what can be essentially so-called “one-school” states.

One of the reasons legendary GT man Frank Broyles stated as to why he went to Arkansas rather than taking over at GT after Dodd was that Arkansas was a so-called “one-school” state. As the ONLY MAJOR D1 school in that state, Univ of Arkansas essentially “owns” the “customer base.” In sports, Ark can basically get the cream of the talent crop from their own state, because there is no other D1 school in the state for Ark to have to compete with. So it kind of “ALL FLOWS” to the Univ of Ark. So, the majority of state/political resources, the focus of college-directed youth, fan support, and ultimately an alumni base all becomes focused & concentrated in one entity, the University of Arkansas.

Tennessee and Louisiana are essentially the same way. UT is for ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES the only MAJOR D1 school in the entire state of Tennessee. Vandy, U-Memphis, and all the rest arent even in the same leagueand Vandy is private.

Louisiana is the exact same way with LSU. And UGA is very close to similar circumstances in GA.

Nebraska, Ohio State are other good examples, because both are ONE SCHOOL STATES. There are no other D1 schools in Nebraska & Ohio to have to compete with for “fans.”

Another important(but not exclusive) advantage is that you have two states, Alabama and Mississippi, that are essentially “SEC states” in that both or all of the MAJOR D1 schools are members of the same conference. Alabama & Auburn, and Ole Miss & Miss State, all 4 SEC schools. In a similar manner, the States of OK & TX are Big 12 sates because ALL of the MAJOR D1 state schools in their one conference, the Big 12.

The SEC’s appeal to TV networks & advertisers (as in any similar business circumstance) has much to do with “the customer base” aka “the fan base” and the SEC has many unique “Brand Management” advantages some conferences dont have.

Sugar Hill Dawg

July 28th, 2009
11:25 am

ACC game in Charlotte – what a shocker! I recall watching some of the Wake – Tech title game a couple of years ago. I was embarrased for the ACC folks! The SEC game’s in the ATL until 2015 – why doesn’t Slive sign an “automatic renewal” deal with the Dome? That game belongs here in perpetuity. The talent level of the SEC and the ACC isn’t that far off – there will be some great games this fall between the conferences. I’ve only attended ACC games at Tech (which, most of the time, feels like a UGA home game) and Clemson (certainly an SEC feel to it). It is hard to compare the on site passion between the fans – SEC fans are nuts on game day!

PMC

July 28th, 2009
11:29 am

Mike Slive = Genius.

Michael Stipe

July 28th, 2009
11:34 am

‘homer gomer’, it sounds so obliquely pithy. I may use it in a song.

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:37 am

Any surprise that Neyland Stadium (one-school state Tennessee) is 102,000? Its the “customer base, stupid.”

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:38 am

In TECH terms, its called…the “installed base.”

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:40 am

ACC definitely needs to package their football negotiations with basketball since their bball profile is so much higher. I knew the attendance at least year’s ACC title game was abysmal as usual but only 27,360 fans only went through the turnstiles? That is shockingly pathetic. I think a regular season matchup between the SECs 2 worst teams in Vandy and Miss St. usually draws 40-50,000.

NOLA

July 28th, 2009
11:41 am

Why hasnt LSU, the Governor of La, the Mayor of New Orleans, and other SEC-West schools complained about not having the New Orleans Super Dome host the SEC-CG every other year, rotating with Atlanta?

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:47 am

God and Greyhound,

6-4 acc vs sec? Not so fast. 6-6. Seems you conveniently left out the 2 bowl games the sec won over the acc. I’m assuming you simply forgot. I would hate to think you were being blatantly dishonest.

Also, don’t know why you keep arguing about realigning the ACC geographically. Rutgers and UConn are not in the acc. As for realigning the conference I believe the 12 commissioners, their ADs, coaches, and consultants knew more about what they wanted when they agreed to the original alignment than you do. No offense intended. I’m just assuming they have more info to work with whereas you simply have your own opinion.

And kicking Boston College out? Nope. BC is a major media market. The northeast corridor is the most populous area of the country and the only 2 real college teams are BC and Rutgers. Why would the ACC want to kick out its one big presence in this media market?

BigTimeTECHFan

July 28th, 2009
11:49 am

ACC’s football power ranking top to bottom are right up there with the SEC.
Some are acting like TV revenue makes a difference on the field.
SEC get higher ranked recruits, more TV money, yet when it comes to playing games they are not that much better.

SEC top 3 programs better then ACC
FL > Va Tech
Bama > Miami
LSU > Fl St

All the rest of the team are about the same, some will have real good years every few years, Like UGA, Tenn, Miss St, GA Tech, Clemson, Boston Collage.

Also ACC has a lot smaller schools, Wake smallest in Major conf, But Tennesse is huge, has huge fan base which equals more TV money, but not wins

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:51 am

NOLA,

Nothing for New Orleans folks to complain about. Everyone agrees that ATL is the most geographically centralized location for everyone and with the ATL airport its the easiest to get to if you have to fly in. Besides, New Orleans still gets the Sugar Bowl which traditionally matches up the no. 1 sec team if that team is not in the national title game so there is nothing for them to complain about. If the top sec team is in the title game as in this past year then the sugar bowl gets the no. 2 team just like this last year when Bama went. Too bad we just didn’t make a better showing of it.

Got 12?

July 28th, 2009
11:52 am

Trade School,

You left out a couple of things:

1. The states of Arkansas and Tennessee don’t have the depth of high school talent to sustain major-conference success. They have to recruit outside their respective borders to field strong teams.

2. As I eluded to in #1, other schools (Alabama and Texas in regards to LSU/Louisiana) can come into your state and recruit your best players.

If recruits could not leave the state, and the state was consistently talent-rich, your assertions would hold true. The bottom line is that SEC fans spend more money, therefore SEC teams make more money.

UGA

July 28th, 2009
11:54 am

That team you call irrelevant ran all over your sorry team last year.

King of Sandy Springs

July 28th, 2009
12:04 pm

Ignorance is bliss. The ACC championship of Tech vs. WF was overwhelmingly Tech fans. There was one section of WF fans. Tech did its share and then some. Tech can’t help that they played the smallest D1 school in the ACC championship. BC in the championships doesn’t help either. If you have VT, UNC, UM, GT, or even UVA vs FSU, CU, NCST, or MD you’ll have a packed house. It would be a sell out in Florida or the Carolinas. But the game should be in Charlotte.

Tony B. your love of the SEC is like idol worship. Mr. College Football my a**. MR. SEC Brown Noser is more like it. Why does every ACC article have to include the SEC? You give some of these SEC fans such big heads, yourself included. I think I’ll go read the Macon Telegraph, at least they can step away from the SEC once in a while.

jumbeauxtiger

July 28th, 2009
12:10 pm

As an LSU fan I think Atlanta is the ideal spot for the SECCG. The SEC is tied to the Sugar Bowl so I don’t think any SEC Champ would be excited about returning to New Orl if they don’t make it to the BCS title game.

“BigTimeTECHFan

July 28th, 2009
11:49 am
ACC’s football power ranking top to bottom are right up there with the SEC.
Some are acting like TV revenue makes a difference on the field.
SEC get higher ranked recruits, more TV money, yet when it comes to playing games they are not that much better.

SEC top 3 programs better then ACC
FL > Va Tech
Bama > Miami
LSU > Fl St

All the rest of the team are about the same, some will have real good years every few years, Like UGA, Tenn, Miss St, GA Tech, Clemson, Boston Collage.”

I don’t see how you can say that UGA has a ‘real good year very few years’. They are no doubt a top 10 program and have been very consistent winners since 2001. Tn has a strong tradition and until last season has been a consistent winner as well. I am not so sure that anyone in the ACC this season is better right now than Ole Miss and UGA. Of course we’ll know soon.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
12:17 pm

BigTimeTechfan,

Have to respectfully disagree with you on the assertion that the rest of the sec is after Fla, Bama, and LSU is no better than the ACC. I notice that you left out the dogs. UGA has had 2 runner up finishes in the last 6 years 02 and 05.

If you can finish in the top 2 or 3 twice in 6 years then clearly you have the ingredients to make national title runs. No other ACC team that make this kind of claim in the 2000s.

That leaves Auburn and UT. Both programs are in a transitional stage right now so we don’t expect much from them in the short term. But historically UT is a top 10 national program and AU is a top 15 or 16 national program. These are 2 programs that have the fan base, the facilities, the recruiting base, the alumni support, basically all the ingredients and enough people who care that these programs will be back to national prominence sooner or later. UT has a national title in the past 11 years and AU had a perfect record in 2004 and should have had a shot at the title game and instead finished as a runner up similar to UGA in 02 and 05.

After the 3 ACC teams you mentioned of Miami, FSU, VT there really are no ACC teams comparable to SEC teams like UGA, UT, and AU that have either won a national title in the recent past or have been so competitive that they have had a runner up finish. Also, if Frank Beamer retires its questionable whether VT will remain as an elite program without him. He has done a remarkable job with a program that was mired in football mediocrity for its entirety before his arrival. It would be difficult I think to keep up the momentum at VT without him.

That is the big difference. The SEC in any given period has 6 programs, 3 in each division, all of which have all the ingredients( recruiting base, fan base, facilities, alumni support, tradition) to put together runs at national titles. The same cannot be said of the ACC. They have 3 programs FSU, Miami, and VT that can say this and as I said its debatable if VT could remain nationally competitive if and when Beamer retires.

The rest of the programs in both conferences are teams that can certainly have good runs here and there and have successful 8,9, 10 game winning seasons but not be nationally competitive on a somewhat consistent basis. Ark. won 9 games or more in 7 of Houston Nutt’s 11 years there.
The ACC has a lot of programs that could be like ARK.

Ole Miss this year has a legit top 10 team and a team that could make a run at a national title in some people’s view. But similar to Clemson in 1980 this is a team that can make a lot of noise if the stars are perfectly aligned and have a once in a lifetime miracle season but they can’t compete on a consistent national basis. That’s why I didn’t include Ole Miss in the SEC or Clemson in the ACC as teams that can put it all together with a semblance of consistency. Feel free to disagree.

bb

July 28th, 2009
12:20 pm

The ACC teams have, until now at least, always received a greater per team pay out from the conference each year (largely due to basketball).

The SEC’s TV contract will probably put them ahead, but the gap is not as great as you might think, especially if Tony’s estimate of $16 million per year is correct. I believe the ACC’s per team pay out last year was in the $12-13 million range.

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aztec

July 28th, 2009
12:44 pm

we sure dont have these problems at SDSU, thank goodness

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
12:59 pm

Got12: Good points.

The focus was rather pointing towards the natural (almost 100% of state residents) fan support schools like Tenn, LSU, Ark, etc. get by basically being “the only game in town/state.”

In states like Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Nebraska, and Ohio, there really are NO OTHER MAJOR D1 schools for a fan to cheer for.

So, schools like Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Nebraska and Ohio State will naturally have an almost LOCK on statewide fan support leading to…more money.

These schools also dont have to compete with OTHER IN-STATE D1 programs for “resources” of all kinds, i.e. fan support/money, state & political fuding, etc.

Those schools have UNIQUELY DOMINANT positions in their states. It just so happens there are 3 SEC members that have that unique advantage. Maybe 4 with UGA being in an almost similar position.

Bo Williams

July 28th, 2009
1:04 pm

UNC vs NC State; UNC vs CLemson; VT vs Clemson; UNC vs Fla State; or any combination of these teams in the ACC championship game will rival any SEC champsionship game in terms of ticket sales. Just wait, mark my word! UNC vs NCState already matches SEC games.

27,360 at the turnstiles of 2008 acc title game

July 28th, 2009
1:26 pm

Bo Williams,

Uh huh! Yep. Shore! UNC-NCState already matches SEC games? What? Are you serious? uh huh. Yep Shore! I see UNC as a team in 3 of your 4 games. UNC? Are you serious? When exactly has UNC ever finished in the top 10? How many top 10 finishes have they had in the past 30 years? How many conference or national titles have they had? Yep. Uh huh. Shore. Whatever you say dude

Too Easy

July 28th, 2009
1:27 pm

King of SS: Then you must be very blissful. If you think gt did its fair share and more at the one acccg in which it played, you ignored the obvious empty seats. I know a large number of very strong gt fans from Atlanta, and NONE of them went. Of course, they apparently don’t all go to home games, either.

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:28 pm

Gen. Neyland…..I know, I guess it just didnt look like an article from Tony that didnt include some reference to UF, Urban or Tebow. I thought someone was posing as him.

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:31 pm

Bo….UNC vs NC State; UNC vs CLemson; VT vs Clemson; UNC vs Fla State would rival any SEC game????? LMAO….more like a couple of top 20 teams playing instead of a couple of top 10 or usually top 5 teams playing

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:35 pm

Big Time Tech Fan……UGA good years every once in awhile???? hahahahahaahahahah 10 win seasons are the norm…..we own tech…yes- 1-7 is owning you and BCS bowls are the norm. as for the Jackettes- hmmm…cant win conference…1-7 vs biggest rival…..Emerald Bowl…..humanitarian Bowl…..WOW a class act on North Ave I’d say

junebaby

July 28th, 2009
1:48 pm

i always see people mention alabama, when they’re talking about powerful teams in the s.e.c.! well, what have they done to be mentioned? the same goes for ole miss! they had 1 good season last year, but what about the last 10 yrs? imo, lsu is the power in the west, with honorable mention going to arkansas and auburn. overall, fla./ga./lsu’s records are much more impressive than alabama’s(in the last ten yrs). one season does not a dynasty make! as far as the a.c.c, what’s up with clemson? they should be dominating their subdivision. why can’t miami win anymore??? why can’t fsu get the great recruits anymore? whatever became of uva/umd? those two teams dropped off the football map! i hear more buzz about duke than those 2 teams!!!

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
2:04 pm

Junebaby,

You are correct. One season does not a powerhouse make. However, I think a lot of people have Bama back as a powerhouse not because of one season but because of past history, the recruiting prowess of Saban, and the fact that Bama is once again playing with a full deck.

We only had 4 10 plus winning seasons in the past 10 years and only 1 sec title but you have to remember that from 2003-2007 we were serving a probation that had us playing with 21 fewer scholarship players. Hard to do that in the sec.

But with Saban and back to top no. 1 ranked recruiting classes the last 2 years and with a recruiting class for 2010 currently ranked no. 2 in the nation its plainly obvious that as far as talent alone goes that we are back among the heavyweights. The rosy idea that we are back to being a powerhouse is based on the talent coming in and not just on one great season. We still have to win of course in 2010 and beyond to deserve the nice accolades that people are giving us. BTW, you should know that last year we had a great season with a senior class of only 9 seniors because it was the last of the scholly reduced recruiting classes from the early 2000s. We will no longer be playing with half a deck, especially with our upper classes.

LSU was the king only in the 2000s but this is a program that we have traditionally dominated head to head 46-25 alltime including a 19 game unbeaten streak in LSU’s famed tiger stadium from 1969 to 2004 when Saban at LSU finally managed to beat us. When we are at full strength LSU takes a back seat to us.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 28th, 2009
2:13 pm

OBAMA hurry and fix this. The POOR are needing your help. You are the god of the USofA and the Ivy league Schools should be on TV every week too. Congrats to the SEC. The ACC needs to make a deal too because we play more competitive ball than any league in the country, while graduating kids that can hold a REAL JOB not based on their athletic accomplishments.

Another Dawg

July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm

Lol someone called the ACC a good conference. Sure, maybe for academics.

Even after looting the Big East, the ACC isn’t a powerouse conference. Depending on how West Virginia fairs in the absence of RichRod, the Big East could be considered a better conference than the ACC just by virtue of having their ceiling set so much higher.

SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10, Notre Dame, ACC, Big East.

I want to know how the ACC would fair against the Mountain West or, hell, even the WAC. That’s right. The conference is so bad we have to measure its performance against non-BCS conferences. The only thing the ACC brings to the table is its history and national prominance through existing TV contracts; there’s nothing to sell from a football standpoint.

Another Dawg

July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm

(And, to be fair, I recognize that the ACC is head and shoulders above any other conference, BCS or otherwise, in terms of academics.)

Bo in North Carolina

July 28th, 2009
3:33 pm

The local newspaper here in Burlington has published only one article about the ACC meeting over in Greensboro and it was an interview with Bobby Bowden. Wow! No other ACC news. In the same addition Monte Dutton writing about NASCAR had an interview with Tony Stewart on the sport’s front page along with the Bowden interview. Does that say anything about the fan base here in N.C.
Charlotte Gator, good to know there is another SEC fan here in Carolina

UGASlobberknocker

July 28th, 2009
3:34 pm

I didnt realize the ACC even paid attention until basketball season. Their TV deal will probably be a couple of brats and a six pack per game.

The ACC people need to accept this reality: As far ahead of the SEC as the ACC is in basketball..The SEC is 5 times that far ahead of the ACC in football. And the gap is widening.

Maybe instead of wasting time on football, ACC fans should concentrate on lacrosse since that is the only other sport besides basketball that they are competitive in. Oh, and womens soccer. Wow.

reservoirDAWG

July 28th, 2009
4:01 pm

The ACC plays football?

shane#1

July 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

The SEC sells because of the personalities of some of it’s coaches and athletes with the “wow” factor. I cannot define the wow factor, I just know it when I see it. Going back to the days of Bo and Herschel, through more modern times with Knowshon, Harvin, Tebow, Jones, Green, Stafford, well, you pick’em. Then throw in Les Miles, Saban, Spurrier, and even Kiffin. Name another conference with coaches half as entertaining as that group! Make no mistake about it, CFB is entertainment. People turn on their TVs to watch these guys, in other words, they sell shaving cream and Viagra. Urban Meyer said that college football is personel driven, well so is it’s market share. The ACC needs FSU and Miami to come back to the big time with some star players because those schools can get major market attention.

Nick

July 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

what’s with the criticism of Tony on this article talking the SEC? Actually, Tony didn’t bring it up, Swofford did. And it is very relevant to the ACC. Besides, look at the headline.

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
4:45 pm

But Shane #1,

Aren’t you forgetting that NC State has Tom Obrien?

athensdawg

July 28th, 2009
4:59 pm

the ACC should join forces with the big 10 and pac 10. They could have 6 divisions and a playoff….and the championship can be held in the rose bowl. Millons could be made.

And, that way, all the jelous whining crybabies can be together to talk about how they are superior to us SEC cavemen. Then NCAA can let them out to get smacked around in the NC game.

can't tackle, huh?

July 28th, 2009
5:06 pm

Hello waterdog…that ACC (Always Competitive Conference) team ran well over five miles on your dogs last year…with young players…in just the third quarter…and your team had about 50 transfer to the nfl. Was that football?

junebaby

July 28th, 2009
5:51 pm

Tide Rising…, thanks for the history lesson, it was greatly appreciated. but are people basing power schools on potential, or what have you done lately? potential= you haven’t done it/”BUT YOU MIGHT”, what have you done lately means exactly that. imo, what you’ve done lately is more relevant.

GT

July 28th, 2009
5:57 pm

If all this is true how do you explain Notre Dame? They practically had a conference contract in one school and could not have gone more down hill. You have got to wonder why an economic obsolescent SEC would want to dominate college football in such an unfair advantage, but then I have never understood the thrill of a US Olympic basketball team beating Cuba either. If this is anyway close to what Tony is writing which it is not, college football is dead. It was already bleeding with player leaving for the pros early, higher academic requirements, and limited scholarships, now Tony wants to brag about the biggest trailer in the mobile home park. I am thinking the networks need to think long and hard about killing the goose that laid the golden egg. 15 years from now when football is just a regional sport and the territory that was staked out is the poorest in the country, let’s see how revenues flow.

Long Dawg

July 28th, 2009
6:19 pm

ACC by the numbers
1. 6 and 6 vs the SEC in 2008 (50% of ACC victores over Vandy& Miss.St.)
2. All time record 251-117-10 SEC leads ACC
3. Last 10 years- 41-30-0 SEC leads ACC
4 National Championships last 10 years SEC 4 ACC 1
5 National Championships last 5 years SEC 3 ACC 0
6 Recent Match ups LSU 38 Ga Tech 3, Ala.34 Clemson10 LSU 48 VA Tech 8
7 Final coaches poll 2008- 3 SEC teams in top 10 no ACC teams
8 AP final poll top two teams in 2007 #1 LSU #2 Georgia
9 2007 SEC vs ACC record SEC 2 ACC 0
10 Need I say more?

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
6:45 pm

Junebaby,

I couldn’t agree with you more. If you’re point is that you should be based on what you have you done lately then of course we are in agreement. Well, what did we do last year?

Now if you were to ask what have we done lately as in 5-8 years ago that would be pointless since those players, coaches, and overall program situation are all in the past and are irrelevant to today’s players and coaches. Today’s players and recruits coming into the program are vastly more important than what other players did 5 or 8 years ago.

All that really matters as far as how good you are going to be in the future is A) How well did you do last year? B) How many starters are coming back ? C) What kind of talent are you stacking your roster with? The reason USC, OU, FLORIDA, Texas, and Ohio State, are top 10 teams year and year out is due primarily to top 5 or top 7 recruiting classes each year. You can throw UGA in that mix too and even LSU even though they dropped off this year. Anyway, glad to see we are in agreement after all.

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
6:51 pm

Long Dawg,

Nice stats. I also know the SEC has been to something crazy like 12 bcs bowls or more in the last 8 years with 8 wins. Not exactly sure of the numbers though but I know its the best in the country. I do know that the ACC has had only 8 bcs bowls over the last 8 years and of those I think the lone win was this past year when VT beat mighty Cincinnati out of the Big East.

Does anyone have stats or info on BCS bowls and bowl performance since the BCS was created?

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
6:53 pm

Tide Rising—-Here’s the link to the Wikipedia article that has all of the BCS bowl results for the last 11 seasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Now try to stay out of trouble.

Danno121

July 28th, 2009
7:09 pm

How long do you think it is going to be before the seCHEAT self destructs because of money. I give them 18 months…………….. TOPS!

superDawg

July 28th, 2009
7:29 pm

The cartoon channel is looking to fill thursday night and saturday morning slots.

superDawg

July 28th, 2009
7:30 pm

Did you here that ramble

sec, this year

July 28th, 2009
7:45 pm

FL and a bunch of pebbles…

Bo Williams

July 28th, 2009
8:33 pm

Given UNC’s recent recruiting success, Butch Davis as coach, and the school itself, why do you think it will not succeed in football. It certainly did under Mack Brown! Every kid in Ga, SC and NC wants to go to school there. Now, the good football players are following suit.

ReptilesRule

July 28th, 2009
9:24 pm

As a college football fan, I hope that ALL of the conferences out there are profitable and will weather this economic storm. Back in the 70’s, both FSU and Miami gave considerable thought to dropping their football programs. That would have been very sad and damaging to the sport itself. Can you imagine…NO F$U or scUM to despise!!!

shane#1

July 29th, 2009
12:19 am

Tide Rising, I had no clue who Tom Obrien was. So I Googled him. It seems that Tom Obrien sells a lot of Jeeps from his dealership in Indiana, but what does that have to do with football? Let’s face it guys, if you were a sports reporter would you prefer interviewing Jim Grobe or Spurrier? Grobe has to be one of the best coaches in the country, but Spurrier is better copy. Steve will say something that sells papers. Ya’ll haven’t caught on yet, have you? CFB is about making money, period. Of course, any University president would love to have a BCSNC, but, they will gladly skip a MNC if their program brings in enough money.

fsujd

July 29th, 2009
12:52 am

Congraulations SEC. You are finally making more than the ACC. For years now the ACC has had a higher per school payout than the SEC or anyone. Now this new deal has put the SEC ahead. But as Tony points out the ACC will probably leverage ACC basketball with football to get a good package. As for the ACC football championship, it goes to Charlotte in 2010 and probably won’t leave because it is such a central location for ACC fans and is in right in the base. Nobody but FSU, Miami and GT could drive to Tampa for the game. Being in Charlotte will make a big difference with that game.

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southvt

July 29th, 2009
5:41 am

With all due respect to the Tiger and SEC who keep bringing up the 48-7 game over my Hokies, we did play a 1-1 series. You crushed us, kudos (your stadium and fans are excellent btw). Don’t forget we beat you all in a rebuilding year for us by almost 3 td’s. We also took Bama by 31 in a Bowl game some years ago. The SEC is king when it comes to football but if we could ever get Miami and FSU back into the ball game we would have a fine football conference to go with the excellent basketball league. There is no need to try and surpass or equal the SEC, they are # 1 for good reason. We need better leadership at the top so we can get centrally located ACCCG instead of pushing it farther south into Florida each year, farther away from every school except FSU and the Canes.

An Actual College Graduate

July 29th, 2009
11:24 am

Is there a school in the SEC that gives out anything higher than an associates degree outside of Vandy? Just wondering… Too bad the SEC is LAST in the nation in the actual reason that universities are supposed to exist, education. I guess if I was from Alabama or Mississippi I would try to hang my hat on football too. The SEC is everything that is wrong and out of control in college sports and it is regularly illustrated by the posts of SEC fans on this board.

Atlanta Gator

July 29th, 2009
11:35 am

“An Actual College Graduate”—-Thank you for your snarky comment, clearly based in either ignorance or intentional denial.

Writing on behalf of my alma mater, the University of Florida, I can assure you that there are several universities in the SEC which successfully combine academics and athletics. Florida is one of them—it is one of the 3 largest universities in the country, it has one of the three most comprehensive offerings of degree programs, consistently has among the 10 most National Merit scholars, is a member of the American Association of Universities (the premier grouping of North American research universities), and it’s ranked among the top 50 universities in the world on the basis of the volume and quality of its scholarly research and output.

Moreover, my school’s football team can drop-kick your school’s football team into next year . . . any questions, smart guy?

Atlanta Gator

July 29th, 2009
11:38 am

BTW, Mr. Know-it-all, one uses the subjunctive tense, not the past tense, when one is making a conditional statement (i.e. “If I were from Alabama or Mississippi . . .”).

DeaconPeach

July 29th, 2009
2:27 pm

Long Dawg said:

ACC by the numbers
1. 6 and 6 vs the SEC in 2008 (50% of ACC victores over Vandy& Miss.St.)

That may be so, but the rest of the ACC wins were over South Carolina, Georgia & Ole Miss. And that Ole Miss team beat Florida & Texas Tech, so you can’t go snarking about Ole Miss being a “second-tier” team in the SEC…

An Actual College Graduate

July 29th, 2009
3:03 pm

Hahahaha! I love it when SEC fans act defensive when someone actually “snarks” back. As usual, ya’ll can dish it out but can’t take it. Nobody cheats more than the SEC and if ya’ll were give the same treatment SMU was given 30 years ago, half the conference would be without football. Every single one of you would sell half your academic departments and professional schools down the river to win a BCS game and it is proven everyday by your academic v athletic accomplishments. That is why ya’ll will always be a joke no matter how many MNCs you win. No amount of money buys class, so enjoy your newfound riches for once again you represent everything that is wrong in college athletics. This despite Tebow, who seems to be a flower floating on a stinking sewage pond of excess. Every other conference has top notch major public universities like Michigan, UCLA, Texas, Cal, UNC, UVA and GT. The SEC has………Florida? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Georgia? Even better! Forget the private schools, cause Vandy ain’t Stanford or Duke but it still is a good school. Love the Florida argument that volume of research makes quality though. This isn’t used cars bro, it’s about education. I appreciate the attempt however. Have your TV contract, I would rather have a degree worth the paper it was printed on.

Atlanta Gator

August 1st, 2009
12:13 am

An “Actual” College Graduate—-Speaking as someone who has “actually” earned more than one university degree (two of which are from Florida, one from UVa), who has “actually” worked in university administration and understands the way academic professionals “actually” evaluate universities, and who has “actually” conducted job interviews of young graduate students from all of the ACC and SEC schools, I can say with some authority that you actually have no clue about what you speak.

If you want a quick education, run Wikipedia and Google searches on “AAU,” “ARWU,” and Webometrics Rankings of World Universities. The University of Florida surpasses three-quarters of the ACC schools. Moreover, Florida’s undergraduate admissions standards are more difficult than 7of 12 ACC schools (CU, FSU, Maryland, Miami, NCSU, VT are nobody’s Ivy League alternatives), and Florida’s standards are comparable to those of UNC and Georgia Tech. Only BC, UVa, and Wake Forest have marginally more difficult admissions standards (and Florida is nine times the size of Wake Forest, almost four times the size of BC, and over twice the size of UVa).

There’s no fool like a damn fool, and you’re apparently one of the latter. As an alumnus of the University of Florida, I don’t need to be “defensive” about my alma mater, but I am surely not going to let your ignorance pass for truth.

Catch a clue, Snarky. Sarcasm is not the answer. One day, with some maturity, you may eventually learn that there is more to life than mocking that which you fail to understand.

BTW, I am not your “bro.” Most adults prefer not to be addressed as such, but I suspect you’ll learn that in future job interview and evaluation.

Are you kidding?

August 3rd, 2009
9:51 am

Florida is as on par with UNC or GT? Hhahahahahahahahahaha! What have you been smoking? Not even in the same league. You must be the worst admissions officer ever, or the best maybe if I were some mediocre student trying to get into school…

Are you kidding?

August 3rd, 2009
10:04 am

Good job keeping the football players out of the police blotter this year too, Florida man! What fine representatives of such an “actual” university. Once again, SEC fans are happy to trash everyone else but when the truth is pointed out about the low standards of their schools or should I say football programs that masquerade as such, they become defensive instead of the usual brash ignorance. You should be embarrased at the mockery of higher education that the SEC is.

just a fan

August 9th, 2009
5:51 pm

Hay look folks, I’ve got cousins, aunts, uncles, brothers, that went to differant schools. Its hard for most people to understand but I love Ga. Tech and UGA.The tech. people call me a undercover bulldog. The Ga. people call me a fair weather fan. But I gotta tell ya. if you go to visit the facilities at the schools you’re gonna see a big differance in Tech and UGA. Ga. has alot of money in the BUTTS-Maeir bldg. The same type building at Tech is no comparison. I guess Tech just doesn’t get the financial help as UGA does.

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