ACC’s new TV deal must close the gap with the SEC

 

 

Greensboro, N.C.—The ACC expanded in 2004 to add Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech for one very important reason: The league wanted to go to 12 teams in order to make sure it didn’t lose its seat at the table—both competitively and financially–with the big boys of college football.

In most aspects, expansion has been a success for ACC football. No, the league has not been in the national championship discussion lately, but it has done very well at the bank. In 2005 it signed a new seven-year television contract with ABC and ESPN for a reported $258 million. Simply because of expansion, the ACC went from making about $21 million per year on televised football to about $37.6 million per year. Last year the ACC sent a record 10 teams to bowl games. So from a purely financial standpoint, expansion has worked.

But that was then and this is now. And right now the SEC has changed the entire landscape of college sports with its staggering 15-year, $3 billion agreements with ESPN and CBS.

 “The SEC deal is certainly huge in terms of the dollars and the length of the agreement,” Swofford said when I met with him at the ACC Football Kickoff. “There is usually a separation of some kind that is inevitable when new deals are struck. But I will admit that this separation is larger than most.”

The SEC deal impacts everything and everybody. Conservatively, SEC schools expect to see their annual shared revenue jump from about $11 million per school to over $16 million per school per  year. That is a game changer in a competitive market. While other conferences like the ACC are cutting costs (the ACC cut its budget by 6 percent for the coming year) the SEC is suddenly flush with cash. There is more money to attract the best coaches. There is more money for recruiting. The increased exposure gives the SEC an edge in recruiting.

The ACC’s television deals expire after the 2011 season and Swofford made it clear that his league must find a way to close that gap in the next television contract.

Here is the problem. The SEC agreed to its deal in the summer of 2008, right before the bottom dropped out of the economy. The ACC is trying to negotiate its new deal in a lousy economy.

And in order to maximize its dollars in the next television contract, the ACC may have to get creative—and a little bold. It is only a concept right now, but the ACC could eventually join forces with another conference–say the Pac-10–to give greater negotiating power with the networks.

By design, the ACC’s lucrative men’s basketball contracts are up for renewal at the same time as football. In the past, these contracts have been negotiated separately because basketball carried so much weight. Swofford said that the two sports may be joined into one contract next time around. So basketball could be used to as leverage to maximize football revenue.

Swofford made it clear that his first choice in these negotiations is to stick with the ACC’s current television partners: ABC, ESPN, and Raycom. But the SEC said goodbye to some of its TV partners when it sold everything to ESPN and CBS. Because of what the SEC has done, the ACC is going to face some tough choices in the next two years.

“We just have to see how this plays out, but yes, these are important negotiations for us. What it’s about is doing the best with what you have, whether it’s a lot or a little,” said Swofford. “With all that said, I’d rather have a lot than a little.”

 

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DeaconPeach

July 28th, 2009
10:46 am

Bravo Atlanta Gator! Great posts…are you sure you really went to the same school as Gator Mike?

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:18 am

It all comes down to…”the customers”… the fans, and the alumni base.

The SEC, as a conference, has two a decidely unique advantages in the following way:

Three SEC members: Arkansas, Tennessee, and Louisiana are examples of what can be essentially so-called “one-school” states.

One of the reasons legendary GT man Frank Broyles stated as to why he went to Arkansas rather than taking over at GT after Dodd was that Arkansas was a so-called “one-school” state. As the ONLY MAJOR D1 school in that state, Univ of Arkansas essentially “owns” the “customer base.” In sports, Ark can basically get the cream of the talent crop from their own state, because there is no other D1 school in the state for Ark to have to compete with. So it kind of “ALL FLOWS” to the Univ of Ark. So, the majority of state/political resources, the focus of college-directed youth, fan support, and ultimately an alumni base all becomes focused & concentrated in one entity, the University of Arkansas.

Tennessee and Louisiana are essentially the same way. UT is for ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES the only MAJOR D1 school in the entire state of Tennessee. Vandy, U-Memphis, and all the rest arent even in the same leagueand Vandy is private.

Louisiana is the exact same way with LSU. And UGA is very close to similar circumstances in GA.

Nebraska, Ohio State are other good examples, because both are ONE SCHOOL STATES. There are no other D1 schools in Nebraska & Ohio to have to compete with for “fans.”

Another important(but not exclusive) advantage is that you have two states, Alabama and Mississippi, that are essentially “SEC states” in that both or all of the MAJOR D1 schools are members of the same conference. Alabama & Auburn, and Ole Miss & Miss State, all 4 SEC schools. In a similar manner, the States of OK & TX are Big 12 sates because ALL of the MAJOR D1 state schools in their one conference, the Big 12.

The SEC’s appeal to TV networks & advertisers (as in any similar business circumstance) has much to do with “the customer base” aka “the fan base” and the SEC has many unique “Brand Management” advantages some conferences dont have.

Sugar Hill Dawg

July 28th, 2009
11:25 am

ACC game in Charlotte – what a shocker! I recall watching some of the Wake – Tech title game a couple of years ago. I was embarrased for the ACC folks! The SEC game’s in the ATL until 2015 – why doesn’t Slive sign an “automatic renewal” deal with the Dome? That game belongs here in perpetuity. The talent level of the SEC and the ACC isn’t that far off – there will be some great games this fall between the conferences. I’ve only attended ACC games at Tech (which, most of the time, feels like a UGA home game) and Clemson (certainly an SEC feel to it). It is hard to compare the on site passion between the fans – SEC fans are nuts on game day!

PMC

July 28th, 2009
11:29 am

Mike Slive = Genius.

Michael Stipe

July 28th, 2009
11:34 am

‘homer gomer’, it sounds so obliquely pithy. I may use it in a song.

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:37 am

Any surprise that Neyland Stadium (one-school state Tennessee) is 102,000? Its the “customer base, stupid.”

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
11:38 am

In TECH terms, its called…the “installed base.”

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:40 am

ACC definitely needs to package their football negotiations with basketball since their bball profile is so much higher. I knew the attendance at least year’s ACC title game was abysmal as usual but only 27,360 fans only went through the turnstiles? That is shockingly pathetic. I think a regular season matchup between the SECs 2 worst teams in Vandy and Miss St. usually draws 40-50,000.

NOLA

July 28th, 2009
11:41 am

Why hasnt LSU, the Governor of La, the Mayor of New Orleans, and other SEC-West schools complained about not having the New Orleans Super Dome host the SEC-CG every other year, rotating with Atlanta?

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:47 am

God and Greyhound,

6-4 acc vs sec? Not so fast. 6-6. Seems you conveniently left out the 2 bowl games the sec won over the acc. I’m assuming you simply forgot. I would hate to think you were being blatantly dishonest.

Also, don’t know why you keep arguing about realigning the ACC geographically. Rutgers and UConn are not in the acc. As for realigning the conference I believe the 12 commissioners, their ADs, coaches, and consultants knew more about what they wanted when they agreed to the original alignment than you do. No offense intended. I’m just assuming they have more info to work with whereas you simply have your own opinion.

And kicking Boston College out? Nope. BC is a major media market. The northeast corridor is the most populous area of the country and the only 2 real college teams are BC and Rutgers. Why would the ACC want to kick out its one big presence in this media market?

BigTimeTECHFan

July 28th, 2009
11:49 am

ACC’s football power ranking top to bottom are right up there with the SEC.
Some are acting like TV revenue makes a difference on the field.
SEC get higher ranked recruits, more TV money, yet when it comes to playing games they are not that much better.

SEC top 3 programs better then ACC
FL > Va Tech
Bama > Miami
LSU > Fl St

All the rest of the team are about the same, some will have real good years every few years, Like UGA, Tenn, Miss St, GA Tech, Clemson, Boston Collage.

Also ACC has a lot smaller schools, Wake smallest in Major conf, But Tennesse is huge, has huge fan base which equals more TV money, but not wins

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
11:51 am

NOLA,

Nothing for New Orleans folks to complain about. Everyone agrees that ATL is the most geographically centralized location for everyone and with the ATL airport its the easiest to get to if you have to fly in. Besides, New Orleans still gets the Sugar Bowl which traditionally matches up the no. 1 sec team if that team is not in the national title game so there is nothing for them to complain about. If the top sec team is in the title game as in this past year then the sugar bowl gets the no. 2 team just like this last year when Bama went. Too bad we just didn’t make a better showing of it.

Got 12?

July 28th, 2009
11:52 am

Trade School,

You left out a couple of things:

1. The states of Arkansas and Tennessee don’t have the depth of high school talent to sustain major-conference success. They have to recruit outside their respective borders to field strong teams.

2. As I eluded to in #1, other schools (Alabama and Texas in regards to LSU/Louisiana) can come into your state and recruit your best players.

If recruits could not leave the state, and the state was consistently talent-rich, your assertions would hold true. The bottom line is that SEC fans spend more money, therefore SEC teams make more money.

UGA

July 28th, 2009
11:54 am

That team you call irrelevant ran all over your sorry team last year.

King of Sandy Springs

July 28th, 2009
12:04 pm

Ignorance is bliss. The ACC championship of Tech vs. WF was overwhelmingly Tech fans. There was one section of WF fans. Tech did its share and then some. Tech can’t help that they played the smallest D1 school in the ACC championship. BC in the championships doesn’t help either. If you have VT, UNC, UM, GT, or even UVA vs FSU, CU, NCST, or MD you’ll have a packed house. It would be a sell out in Florida or the Carolinas. But the game should be in Charlotte.

Tony B. your love of the SEC is like idol worship. Mr. College Football my a**. MR. SEC Brown Noser is more like it. Why does every ACC article have to include the SEC? You give some of these SEC fans such big heads, yourself included. I think I’ll go read the Macon Telegraph, at least they can step away from the SEC once in a while.

jumbeauxtiger

July 28th, 2009
12:10 pm

As an LSU fan I think Atlanta is the ideal spot for the SECCG. The SEC is tied to the Sugar Bowl so I don’t think any SEC Champ would be excited about returning to New Orl if they don’t make it to the BCS title game.

“BigTimeTECHFan

July 28th, 2009
11:49 am
ACC’s football power ranking top to bottom are right up there with the SEC.
Some are acting like TV revenue makes a difference on the field.
SEC get higher ranked recruits, more TV money, yet when it comes to playing games they are not that much better.

SEC top 3 programs better then ACC
FL > Va Tech
Bama > Miami
LSU > Fl St

All the rest of the team are about the same, some will have real good years every few years, Like UGA, Tenn, Miss St, GA Tech, Clemson, Boston Collage.”

I don’t see how you can say that UGA has a ‘real good year very few years’. They are no doubt a top 10 program and have been very consistent winners since 2001. Tn has a strong tradition and until last season has been a consistent winner as well. I am not so sure that anyone in the ACC this season is better right now than Ole Miss and UGA. Of course we’ll know soon.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
12:17 pm

BigTimeTechfan,

Have to respectfully disagree with you on the assertion that the rest of the sec is after Fla, Bama, and LSU is no better than the ACC. I notice that you left out the dogs. UGA has had 2 runner up finishes in the last 6 years 02 and 05.

If you can finish in the top 2 or 3 twice in 6 years then clearly you have the ingredients to make national title runs. No other ACC team that make this kind of claim in the 2000s.

That leaves Auburn and UT. Both programs are in a transitional stage right now so we don’t expect much from them in the short term. But historically UT is a top 10 national program and AU is a top 15 or 16 national program. These are 2 programs that have the fan base, the facilities, the recruiting base, the alumni support, basically all the ingredients and enough people who care that these programs will be back to national prominence sooner or later. UT has a national title in the past 11 years and AU had a perfect record in 2004 and should have had a shot at the title game and instead finished as a runner up similar to UGA in 02 and 05.

After the 3 ACC teams you mentioned of Miami, FSU, VT there really are no ACC teams comparable to SEC teams like UGA, UT, and AU that have either won a national title in the recent past or have been so competitive that they have had a runner up finish. Also, if Frank Beamer retires its questionable whether VT will remain as an elite program without him. He has done a remarkable job with a program that was mired in football mediocrity for its entirety before his arrival. It would be difficult I think to keep up the momentum at VT without him.

That is the big difference. The SEC in any given period has 6 programs, 3 in each division, all of which have all the ingredients( recruiting base, fan base, facilities, alumni support, tradition) to put together runs at national titles. The same cannot be said of the ACC. They have 3 programs FSU, Miami, and VT that can say this and as I said its debatable if VT could remain nationally competitive if and when Beamer retires.

The rest of the programs in both conferences are teams that can certainly have good runs here and there and have successful 8,9, 10 game winning seasons but not be nationally competitive on a somewhat consistent basis. Ark. won 9 games or more in 7 of Houston Nutt’s 11 years there.
The ACC has a lot of programs that could be like ARK.

Ole Miss this year has a legit top 10 team and a team that could make a run at a national title in some people’s view. But similar to Clemson in 1980 this is a team that can make a lot of noise if the stars are perfectly aligned and have a once in a lifetime miracle season but they can’t compete on a consistent national basis. That’s why I didn’t include Ole Miss in the SEC or Clemson in the ACC as teams that can put it all together with a semblance of consistency. Feel free to disagree.

bb

July 28th, 2009
12:20 pm

The ACC teams have, until now at least, always received a greater per team pay out from the conference each year (largely due to basketball).

The SEC’s TV contract will probably put them ahead, but the gap is not as great as you might think, especially if Tony’s estimate of $16 million per year is correct. I believe the ACC’s per team pay out last year was in the $12-13 million range.

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aztec

July 28th, 2009
12:44 pm

we sure dont have these problems at SDSU, thank goodness

Trade School Junkie

July 28th, 2009
12:59 pm

Got12: Good points.

The focus was rather pointing towards the natural (almost 100% of state residents) fan support schools like Tenn, LSU, Ark, etc. get by basically being “the only game in town/state.”

In states like Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Nebraska, and Ohio, there really are NO OTHER MAJOR D1 schools for a fan to cheer for.

So, schools like Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Nebraska and Ohio State will naturally have an almost LOCK on statewide fan support leading to…more money.

These schools also dont have to compete with OTHER IN-STATE D1 programs for “resources” of all kinds, i.e. fan support/money, state & political fuding, etc.

Those schools have UNIQUELY DOMINANT positions in their states. It just so happens there are 3 SEC members that have that unique advantage. Maybe 4 with UGA being in an almost similar position.

Bo Williams

July 28th, 2009
1:04 pm

UNC vs NC State; UNC vs CLemson; VT vs Clemson; UNC vs Fla State; or any combination of these teams in the ACC championship game will rival any SEC champsionship game in terms of ticket sales. Just wait, mark my word! UNC vs NCState already matches SEC games.

27,360 at the turnstiles of 2008 acc title game

July 28th, 2009
1:26 pm

Bo Williams,

Uh huh! Yep. Shore! UNC-NCState already matches SEC games? What? Are you serious? uh huh. Yep Shore! I see UNC as a team in 3 of your 4 games. UNC? Are you serious? When exactly has UNC ever finished in the top 10? How many top 10 finishes have they had in the past 30 years? How many conference or national titles have they had? Yep. Uh huh. Shore. Whatever you say dude

Too Easy

July 28th, 2009
1:27 pm

King of SS: Then you must be very blissful. If you think gt did its fair share and more at the one acccg in which it played, you ignored the obvious empty seats. I know a large number of very strong gt fans from Atlanta, and NONE of them went. Of course, they apparently don’t all go to home games, either.

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:28 pm

Gen. Neyland…..I know, I guess it just didnt look like an article from Tony that didnt include some reference to UF, Urban or Tebow. I thought someone was posing as him.

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:31 pm

Bo….UNC vs NC State; UNC vs CLemson; VT vs Clemson; UNC vs Fla State would rival any SEC game????? LMAO….more like a couple of top 20 teams playing instead of a couple of top 10 or usually top 5 teams playing

Joe

July 28th, 2009
1:35 pm

Big Time Tech Fan……UGA good years every once in awhile???? hahahahahaahahahah 10 win seasons are the norm…..we own tech…yes- 1-7 is owning you and BCS bowls are the norm. as for the Jackettes- hmmm…cant win conference…1-7 vs biggest rival…..Emerald Bowl…..humanitarian Bowl…..WOW a class act on North Ave I’d say

junebaby

July 28th, 2009
1:48 pm

i always see people mention alabama, when they’re talking about powerful teams in the s.e.c.! well, what have they done to be mentioned? the same goes for ole miss! they had 1 good season last year, but what about the last 10 yrs? imo, lsu is the power in the west, with honorable mention going to arkansas and auburn. overall, fla./ga./lsu’s records are much more impressive than alabama’s(in the last ten yrs). one season does not a dynasty make! as far as the a.c.c, what’s up with clemson? they should be dominating their subdivision. why can’t miami win anymore??? why can’t fsu get the great recruits anymore? whatever became of uva/umd? those two teams dropped off the football map! i hear more buzz about duke than those 2 teams!!!

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
2:04 pm

Junebaby,

You are correct. One season does not a powerhouse make. However, I think a lot of people have Bama back as a powerhouse not because of one season but because of past history, the recruiting prowess of Saban, and the fact that Bama is once again playing with a full deck.

We only had 4 10 plus winning seasons in the past 10 years and only 1 sec title but you have to remember that from 2003-2007 we were serving a probation that had us playing with 21 fewer scholarship players. Hard to do that in the sec.

But with Saban and back to top no. 1 ranked recruiting classes the last 2 years and with a recruiting class for 2010 currently ranked no. 2 in the nation its plainly obvious that as far as talent alone goes that we are back among the heavyweights. The rosy idea that we are back to being a powerhouse is based on the talent coming in and not just on one great season. We still have to win of course in 2010 and beyond to deserve the nice accolades that people are giving us. BTW, you should know that last year we had a great season with a senior class of only 9 seniors because it was the last of the scholly reduced recruiting classes from the early 2000s. We will no longer be playing with half a deck, especially with our upper classes.

LSU was the king only in the 2000s but this is a program that we have traditionally dominated head to head 46-25 alltime including a 19 game unbeaten streak in LSU’s famed tiger stadium from 1969 to 2004 when Saban at LSU finally managed to beat us. When we are at full strength LSU takes a back seat to us.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 28th, 2009
2:13 pm

OBAMA hurry and fix this. The POOR are needing your help. You are the god of the USofA and the Ivy league Schools should be on TV every week too. Congrats to the SEC. The ACC needs to make a deal too because we play more competitive ball than any league in the country, while graduating kids that can hold a REAL JOB not based on their athletic accomplishments.

Another Dawg

July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm

Lol someone called the ACC a good conference. Sure, maybe for academics.

Even after looting the Big East, the ACC isn’t a powerouse conference. Depending on how West Virginia fairs in the absence of RichRod, the Big East could be considered a better conference than the ACC just by virtue of having their ceiling set so much higher.

SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10, Notre Dame, ACC, Big East.

I want to know how the ACC would fair against the Mountain West or, hell, even the WAC. That’s right. The conference is so bad we have to measure its performance against non-BCS conferences. The only thing the ACC brings to the table is its history and national prominance through existing TV contracts; there’s nothing to sell from a football standpoint.

Another Dawg

July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm

(And, to be fair, I recognize that the ACC is head and shoulders above any other conference, BCS or otherwise, in terms of academics.)

Bo in North Carolina

July 28th, 2009
3:33 pm

The local newspaper here in Burlington has published only one article about the ACC meeting over in Greensboro and it was an interview with Bobby Bowden. Wow! No other ACC news. In the same addition Monte Dutton writing about NASCAR had an interview with Tony Stewart on the sport’s front page along with the Bowden interview. Does that say anything about the fan base here in N.C.
Charlotte Gator, good to know there is another SEC fan here in Carolina

UGASlobberknocker

July 28th, 2009
3:34 pm

I didnt realize the ACC even paid attention until basketball season. Their TV deal will probably be a couple of brats and a six pack per game.

The ACC people need to accept this reality: As far ahead of the SEC as the ACC is in basketball..The SEC is 5 times that far ahead of the ACC in football. And the gap is widening.

Maybe instead of wasting time on football, ACC fans should concentrate on lacrosse since that is the only other sport besides basketball that they are competitive in. Oh, and womens soccer. Wow.

reservoirDAWG

July 28th, 2009
4:01 pm

The ACC plays football?

shane#1

July 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

The SEC sells because of the personalities of some of it’s coaches and athletes with the “wow” factor. I cannot define the wow factor, I just know it when I see it. Going back to the days of Bo and Herschel, through more modern times with Knowshon, Harvin, Tebow, Jones, Green, Stafford, well, you pick’em. Then throw in Les Miles, Saban, Spurrier, and even Kiffin. Name another conference with coaches half as entertaining as that group! Make no mistake about it, CFB is entertainment. People turn on their TVs to watch these guys, in other words, they sell shaving cream and Viagra. Urban Meyer said that college football is personel driven, well so is it’s market share. The ACC needs FSU and Miami to come back to the big time with some star players because those schools can get major market attention.

Nick

July 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

what’s with the criticism of Tony on this article talking the SEC? Actually, Tony didn’t bring it up, Swofford did. And it is very relevant to the ACC. Besides, look at the headline.

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
4:45 pm

But Shane #1,

Aren’t you forgetting that NC State has Tom Obrien?

athensdawg

July 28th, 2009
4:59 pm

the ACC should join forces with the big 10 and pac 10. They could have 6 divisions and a playoff….and the championship can be held in the rose bowl. Millons could be made.

And, that way, all the jelous whining crybabies can be together to talk about how they are superior to us SEC cavemen. Then NCAA can let them out to get smacked around in the NC game.

can't tackle, huh?

July 28th, 2009
5:06 pm

Hello waterdog…that ACC (Always Competitive Conference) team ran well over five miles on your dogs last year…with young players…in just the third quarter…and your team had about 50 transfer to the nfl. Was that football?

junebaby

July 28th, 2009
5:51 pm

Tide Rising…, thanks for the history lesson, it was greatly appreciated. but are people basing power schools on potential, or what have you done lately? potential= you haven’t done it/”BUT YOU MIGHT”, what have you done lately means exactly that. imo, what you’ve done lately is more relevant.

GT

July 28th, 2009
5:57 pm

If all this is true how do you explain Notre Dame? They practically had a conference contract in one school and could not have gone more down hill. You have got to wonder why an economic obsolescent SEC would want to dominate college football in such an unfair advantage, but then I have never understood the thrill of a US Olympic basketball team beating Cuba either. If this is anyway close to what Tony is writing which it is not, college football is dead. It was already bleeding with player leaving for the pros early, higher academic requirements, and limited scholarships, now Tony wants to brag about the biggest trailer in the mobile home park. I am thinking the networks need to think long and hard about killing the goose that laid the golden egg. 15 years from now when football is just a regional sport and the territory that was staked out is the poorest in the country, let’s see how revenues flow.

Long Dawg

July 28th, 2009
6:19 pm

ACC by the numbers
1. 6 and 6 vs the SEC in 2008 (50% of ACC victores over Vandy& Miss.St.)
2. All time record 251-117-10 SEC leads ACC
3. Last 10 years- 41-30-0 SEC leads ACC
4 National Championships last 10 years SEC 4 ACC 1
5 National Championships last 5 years SEC 3 ACC 0
6 Recent Match ups LSU 38 Ga Tech 3, Ala.34 Clemson10 LSU 48 VA Tech 8
7 Final coaches poll 2008- 3 SEC teams in top 10 no ACC teams
8 AP final poll top two teams in 2007 #1 LSU #2 Georgia
9 2007 SEC vs ACC record SEC 2 ACC 0
10 Need I say more?

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
6:45 pm

Junebaby,

I couldn’t agree with you more. If you’re point is that you should be based on what you have you done lately then of course we are in agreement. Well, what did we do last year?

Now if you were to ask what have we done lately as in 5-8 years ago that would be pointless since those players, coaches, and overall program situation are all in the past and are irrelevant to today’s players and coaches. Today’s players and recruits coming into the program are vastly more important than what other players did 5 or 8 years ago.

All that really matters as far as how good you are going to be in the future is A) How well did you do last year? B) How many starters are coming back ? C) What kind of talent are you stacking your roster with? The reason USC, OU, FLORIDA, Texas, and Ohio State, are top 10 teams year and year out is due primarily to top 5 or top 7 recruiting classes each year. You can throw UGA in that mix too and even LSU even though they dropped off this year. Anyway, glad to see we are in agreement after all.

Tide Rising

July 28th, 2009
6:51 pm

Long Dawg,

Nice stats. I also know the SEC has been to something crazy like 12 bcs bowls or more in the last 8 years with 8 wins. Not exactly sure of the numbers though but I know its the best in the country. I do know that the ACC has had only 8 bcs bowls over the last 8 years and of those I think the lone win was this past year when VT beat mighty Cincinnati out of the Big East.

Does anyone have stats or info on BCS bowls and bowl performance since the BCS was created?

Atlanta Gator

July 28th, 2009
6:53 pm

Tide Rising—-Here’s the link to the Wikipedia article that has all of the BCS bowl results for the last 11 seasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Now try to stay out of trouble.

Danno121

July 28th, 2009
7:09 pm

How long do you think it is going to be before the seCHEAT self destructs because of money. I give them 18 months…………….. TOPS!

superDawg

July 28th, 2009
7:29 pm

The cartoon channel is looking to fill thursday night and saturday morning slots.

superDawg

July 28th, 2009
7:30 pm

Did you here that ramble

sec, this year

July 28th, 2009
7:45 pm

FL and a bunch of pebbles…