The only league that can slow down the SEC–is the SEC

 

Birmingham—At 1:30 p.m. today Commissioner Mike Slive will kick off the SEC’s 2009 Football Media Days with his annual message on the state of the conference. This will be Slive’s eighth football media days since taking over as commissioner in 2002 and he will say that the state of the conference is very, very good.

He probably won’t say this but I will. The Southeastern Conference has been in existence since 1933 and there were a lot of great moments in the first 75 years. But competitively, academically, and financially the SEC has never been better than it is right now. And here’s the rub if you compete against the SEC: For a lot of different reasons this league is about to get even stronger.

 

Let us review:

**–In the 2008-2009 academic year the SEC won five national championships. It finished as the national runner-up in five other sports. So in 10 of the 20 sports that the league sponsors, the SEC finished first or second nationally.

**–Under Slive the SEC has won four national championships in football (2003, 2006, 2007, 2008) with a string of three straight. Florida is a unanimous preseason No. 1 and is favored to repeat as national champions. If the Gators win it, that will give the SEC five national championships in Slive’s eight years as commissioner. And that doesn’t count Auburn, which was 13-0 in 2004. Since Slive became commissioner the SEC has won a total of 43 national championships.

**–The upcoming academic year will mark the beginning of two unprecedented 15-year contracts with CBS and ESPN that will pump $2.8 billion (with a “B”)  into the 12 member institutions and provide unprecedented television exposure to the non-revenue sports and academics. Part of that exposure, we learned this week, is an SEC Network on ESPN that will reach into Big Ten, Big 12, and Big East country. The national interest in SEC football is that high.

**– While other conferences have had to shorten their football media days or eliminate them completely due to finances, the SEC expects over 900 media members (up from last year’s record of 836) to attend this three-day session.

But Slive, a former judge, told me that he will offer a few words of caution today. Yes, things are going very well for the Southeastern Conference.

“We should always remember that the only league that can impede the SEC’s continued ability to succeed,” said Slive, “is the SEC.”

What Slive means is that with all of this success, both competitively and financially, comes the obligation by the leaders of the SEC to practice even more due diligence. Slive’s goal when he took over was to have no teams on any kind of NCAA probation in five years. That goal wasn’t completely realized but there is no question that things are better on the enforcement front.

But with the competitive bar being raised every year and with multi-million dollar salaries at stake, there will be temptations to cut corners. Slive does not want that to happen on his watch.

“This has been one of the great periods in the history of the league,” Slive said. “I take great satisfaction in the success that we’ve had and the progress we’ve made in some other matters off the field. They go hand in hand.

“If we can keep vigilant and compassionate we can continue to enjoy what I have referred to as the golden age of our conference.”

In other words: If you’re the SEC right now, the only thing that can screw this up is you.

Slive had to have a heart to heart with his football coaches at the SEC Spring meetings in Destin. Actually, it was a lot more forceful than that. He had gotten fed up with the back biting among some of the coaches in the press and basically read them the riot act. The message was received and understood by the coaches. The basketball coaches got the same message and, with the arrival of John Calipari at Kentucky, the price of poker in that sport has also been raised considerably.

The last few years have been quite busy for Slive. First he was the coordinator of the BCS, which is one of the least popular jobs in college athletics. He just finished his chairmanship of the NCAA Men’s Basketball committee which may be the toughest, most time-consuming job in all of college sports.

While all that was going on, the SEC had another record year on the field and negotiated the biggest television contract in the history of college sports that will carry the SEC brand nationwide.

And did I mention that Slive’s daughter Anna, who ran the 2007 Final Four in Atlanta, is getting married in August? Slive said he is going to take a little time off in the coming weeks—if he can.

“I’m still waiting for summer to start,” said Slive. “But I think we’re entitled to 10 minutes of satisfaction and then we have to go back to work.”

 

Programming note: We’ll be doing our CSS show, “Talkin’ Football” live each day during SEC media days. Tonight’s show will feature Commissioner Slive along with the head coaches at Vanderbilt (Bobby Johnson), Arkansas (Bobby Petrino), Kentucky (Rich Brooks), and Mississippi State (Dan Mullen). Bob Neal, Mark Schlabach, and Sandra Golden will all be there to give you the inside access to SEC Media Days. Please join us. The show is at 6 p.m. with replays at 11 p.m. and 8 a.m. on Thursday.

 

 

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193 comments Add your comment

Steve Spurrier

July 22nd, 2009
7:27 am

Slive will have his hands full watching the sleeze bag Calipari. For the first time in a long time, the league is in decent shape with the NCAA, Bama not withstanding.

JB

July 22nd, 2009
7:28 am

where is m telling us that all the above is crap and the ACC and Tech is the only real deal ( yawn).
The tumble weeds continue to blow across grant Field as 5.5 million citizens of Atlanta refuse to show up to watch college football there and eat free pizza and coke……….. Gotta love the SEC…..GATA…..Go Dawgs

shortcircuit

July 22nd, 2009
7:31 am

What time is the show?

MiltonDawg

July 22nd, 2009
7:33 am

SEC will continue to dominate CFB this year. ACC will be the backburner once again. Cannot wait till 9/5/09!!!! GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!

ThaMan

July 22nd, 2009
7:40 am

Tech took the SEC 2 out of 3 last year. Dawgs only claim to fame is being a member of the SEC. You still have to win your own games.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
7:49 am

JB we can just come to Athens and enjoy the smell at Septic Tank of the South in all its glory once again. The SEC is powerful yes, but they need to keep the players getting degrees not just passed to get to the next level. I will still take a degree from an ACC school over a SEC school. I want my Dr. to be from Duke over UGA.

SomewhereinGA

July 22nd, 2009
8:00 am

Dear Pisser,

I have not noticed the Nerds graduation rate skyrocket like you imply….have you noticed where GT’s graduation rates are in relation to my beloved Dawgs???? Check it out. As recently as this past year the stats were posted and it was not pretty from your perspective. But I suppose you and St. Simons (45-42 HaHaHa!) have kept your head in the tickle pile a little too long.

And I really could care less where your Dr. is from…hell, mine is a Gator grad and I would not trade her for anything.

Hunting Dawg

July 22nd, 2009
8:10 am

M and St. Simons haven’t woken up yet from working the late shift as bus boys at the Varsity.

LOL

July 22nd, 2009
8:11 am

Tony, you say the SEC is “competitively, academically, and financially” better? I didn’t see anything in your article that shows the SEC is academically better. So I’m assuming the SEC is still the Special Ed Conference. Although you can apparently get free books at Bama. Maybe that’s the spike in academics you were talking about.

athensdawg

July 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

we are getting of to a great start this morning!

JB

July 22nd, 2009
8:20 am

Mr. piss on a Dawg………You must go to a vet for your health care…..makes sense……

Robert

July 22nd, 2009
8:20 am

Success sure breeds jealousy.

Academic

July 22nd, 2009
8:21 am

Graduation rates don’t mean squat. Who do you think has a better graduation rate, The Boy Scouts or the Navy Seals? Which one do you want protecting your family? It’s not how many you graduate, but want they’re learning.

m

July 22nd, 2009
8:22 am

Tony…how do you say this shiite with a straight face?

The sec is the most overhyped and overated conference in history. The BSbcs exists soley to give the sec a FAKE championship every year that means NOTHING.

The ACC beat the sec headup last year. In 10 regular season games, the acc won 6-4…even though most sec fans predicted the sec to win every game.

The ACC plays the sec 7 regular season games this year…including playing sec powers floriduh, alabammmer, and ugag. I will make a bet with you…..I bet the acc beats the sec at least 4 out of 7 games. If the sec wins, I agree not to post on your blog for a year. If the ACC wins, you agree to change your name on here, from Mr. College Football to Mr. sec homer-gomer, and admit that you are just a biased sec hack.

Deal?

sec…blowing smoke since 1933.

Proofread much?

July 22nd, 2009
8:23 am

So in 10 of the 20 sports that the league sponsors, the SEC finished first or second nationally in 10 of them.

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
8:26 am

Anybody that remotely dabbles in college athletics knows the SEC is hard to beat in a competitive sense. All Slive has to do is put her on auto-pilot and watch the gauges. The rest will take care if itself.

Jesse Scroggins now says he’ll announce Thursday between USC West, Florida or Tennessee.

Tiger Bait

July 22nd, 2009
8:28 am

38-3

Jackets are a joke

38-3 Glad it still hurts so bad losers

Eric

July 22nd, 2009
8:32 am

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
8:36 am

To elaborate on Big Tone’s point, I think the danger lurking is the ultra-competitiveness of the league. You can’t have this many intense, great, and high profile coaches slugging it out without the temptation to cheat for an edge creeping in. I sincerely hope it doesn’t happen, but at the same time, these guys are fighting for their jobs and only a few can be ’successful’ every year. We may be creating the monster that devours us by demanding so much and having such high expectations of our teams.

Totally agree with the previous poster on the basketball side of the house. I used to love those UMass teams as a kid growing up, but facts are facts. Calipari has been shady at best in every stop he’s had and Kentucky and by extension the SEC really need to be careful. Having him in the fold will surely improve the quality and effort/resources devoted to basketball, but long term, he definitely needs to be watched as for all intents and purposes we will be a football conference.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
8:45 am

Gen Neyland,

That’s interesting. I remember us working the Scroggins trail but thought we had fallen out of contention. I believe he was the recruit that said Urban stated “we’re moving away from the spread once Tebow leaves” or something along those lines. Not sure I buy that, but that’s neither here nor there. I imagine we’re a distant 3rd at this point. Interesting that he’s announcing during SEC Media days though. That’s got UT written all over it. Good luck in nabbing him.

m,

If the BCS championship means nothing, I’m sure Tech wouldn’t go if given the opportunity. They probably should just not accept the BCS bid that comes along with winning the A(pathetic) Coast Conference if that happens.

Also, if you’re so confident about the upcoming matchups, go ahead and list them out with your predictions. I suspect writing them out might actually change your mind/prediction if they’re there in writing. Facts are fun, so put them out there and let’s have the debate.

JB

July 22nd, 2009
8:45 am

HEADLINE NEWS: THIS JUST IN………..RB Dwyer of Georgia Tech arrested this morning for breaking into the Georgia Dome……When questioned he stated ” I was looking for the end zone”

Tony Barnhart

July 22nd, 2009
8:47 am

Thanks for the catch, Proofread much? I fixed it.

The Talkin’ Football Show is at 6 p.m. each day with replays at 11 p.m. and 8 a.m. the next morning.

TB

[...] Congratulations!  You have survived the month-and-a-half of summertime non-news and have reached the official kickoff day of the 2009 SEC football season.We’re going to be bringing you the school-by-school headlines from around the conference first thing today… and then we’ll begin our constant updates from SEC Media Days.If ever there was a day to sign up for our Twitter feed, it’s today.  If news breaks, you won’t have to search the web to find it… we’ll bring it to you right here.It should be a fun three days.To begin our coverage today, here’s a morning catch-all of some of the bigger stories across the SEC:Fox Sports South, Sun Sports and Fox Sports Southwest are launching a weekly, one-hour studio show dedicated to the SEC that will feature Randy Cross, Charles Davis and David Pollack.  The show will be called “SEC Gridiron Live” and will air Wednesday’s at 10pm ET.The line-up for Media Days today will feature Arkansas and Vanderbilt from 1-3pm ET followed by Kentucky and Mississippi State from 3-5pm ET.  ESPNU will show most of the press conferences on their air beginning at 1pm ET.Chris Low of ESPN.com caught up with Dan Mullen to discuss the ins and outs of running the spread offense in the SEC.  Then he checked in with South Carolina assistant Ellis Johnson to discuss how SEC teams defend the spread.And Tony Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that the only league that can slow down the SEC is… SEC. [...]

RAMBLE ON!!!

July 22nd, 2009
8:55 am

Wow Tony, I bet you got a nice “thrill up your leg” writing this article.

Not Disappointed

July 22nd, 2009
9:00 am

Tony, I look forward to Talking Football! Just another sign that “College Football” is in the air! Coming on FOOTBALL!!!!!!

Great article

Atlanta Gator

July 22nd, 2009
9:01 am

“Academic”—-Pardon me, sir, but graduation rates DO matter.

The undergraduate degree has become the basic academic credential in America if you want to get a job in management or a profession. Without it, there is no graduate school, no professional school, and your have a reduced spectrum of opportunities to change your family’s economic status. No, sir, graduation rates DO matter.

I know the great lengths to which my alma mater goes to assist its scholarship athletes in obtaining their degrees. Florida’s academic support program for its student-athletes is as good or better than the university’s sports training facilities. Some cynics would begrudge these kids the extra counseling, tutoring and attention that they receive. To my way of thinking, that’s part of the package of perfectly proper benefits these young people receive for giving up any semblance of a normal undergraduate life in order to represent their school in NCAA sports. Afterall, what would you rather give these kids—-a sackful of Benjamins and a new Camaro, or a real opportunity to graduate and get a meaningful job afterward?

In the future, don’t be such a cynic, and perhaps other bloggers will take your comments more seriously.

Have a nice day.

Atlanta Gator

July 22nd, 2009
9:08 am

“Academic”—-BTW, the U.S. Navy SEALS represent something like one-tenth of one percent of the entire U.S. military—-that’s why they are an “elite” commando force. If you were to hold the entire U.S. military to their standards, we would have virtually no one to defend our country.

By analogy, you would require every college athlete to graduate with high honors in physics, chemistry, kinesiology or aerospace engineering for their graduation to be meaningful. That’s just plain silly.

Cool Coach

July 22nd, 2009
9:13 am

Hey Homer:
“…the SEC had another record year on the field and negotiated the biggest television contract in the history of college sports that will carry the SEC brand nationwide….”

SEC is already nationwide on ESPN. The network typically broadcasts primetime SEC game most Sat nights during the season.

JB: good one! How long did it take you to come up with that? Did you make it up on the way to daycare this a.m.???

[...] Tony Barnhat of the AJC blogs that the only league that can slow down the SEC is the SEC. [...]

Miles

July 22nd, 2009
9:27 am

The SEC would not be what it is today without its fans. The best conference in the country, i.e., the SEC, has the best fans!

harry dawg 73

July 22nd, 2009
9:33 am

Older Tech fans and actual Tech grads, know that Tech RAN from the SEC in the late 60s, due to the prospect of recruting greater numbers that the SEC then allowed. As an “independent” in those days, Tech could recruit far greater numbers than the SEC or any conference then allowed. See?

Once Tech fans of today know that, they realize that Tech was like their school colors ………y-e-l-l-o-w. Then, later in the mid to late 70s, Tech BEGGED to get back in the club ( SEC ) because all independents and conference schools had to recruit the same numbers. See? Tech was short sited and for engineers, not a good trait. Bad.

The ACC came along fortunately for Tech and let them into that itty bitty club. Tech fans ( real ones ) always, always would prefer games with their natural rivals of Auburn, U of T and Bama and Florida, where Bobby Dood Jr played behind Steve Spurrier. See? SEC ruled then and even now. Bobby Dodd played for the U of T. See? SEC ruled then and now.

Now you young folks know that Tech blew it and has never recovered.

You heard it here first.

Harry Dawg – UGA 73

m

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

CharlotteGator,

The games are as follows:

Virginia Poly vs alabammmer
NC State vs south caroliner
Clemson vs south caroliner
FSU vs floriduh
TECH vs mippy pippy state
TECH vs vannerbilt
TECH vs jawja whiney crybaby hushpuppies

Even though you sec fools think that the sec is the greatest conference in the history of the world and that the ACC is the worst conference…the ACC will win a minimum of 4 out of 7 and prove once again that the sec is all hat and no cattle.

Recap of last year’s regular season games between the ACC and sec:

alabammer over Clemson
south caroliner over NC State
floriduh over Miami
floriduh over FSU

TECH over ugag
TECH over mippy pippy state
Wake Forest over ole missie (the team floriduh could’t beat)
Wake Forest over vannerbilt
last place Duke over bowl bound vannerbilt
Clemson over south caroliner

I was told by most sec fans that the acc wouldn’t win any of these games.

Isn’t it amazing that the worst conference in the world would do so well with the best conference in the history of the world??

Do you realize how foolish you sec homer-gomers look when the on the field action does not ever match your idiotic sec hype???

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

Why do you guys get the Tech fans started first thing? If you do not want to hear from them, stop goading them!

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
9:41 am

RAMBLE ON!!! : The medical world has taken an interest in the malady you referenced. It is now known as Chris Matthews Disease, or CMD. The cure is a shot of my Tennessee Creekwater Sippin’ Solvent. Makes you tingle all over and you just forget about it being localized…

Paul The Vol

July 22nd, 2009
9:42 am

ACC fan – you can scream all you want but Tony is right. This TV deal gives the SEC unprecedented exposure across the nation. Even the SEC network, which carries the games that CBS and ESPN doesn’t want, is seen as far north as New York City – hundreds of miles away from the closest SEC school.

This new TV exposure will have a positive effect on all SEC sports because so many will be broadcast nationwide. No matter what the head-to-head record may be in a sport between the SEC and another conference, the SEC has left all of them in the dust. It would not surprise me at all to start seeing schools from other conferences petitioning the SEC for admission.

jconservative

July 22nd, 2009
9:42 am

Tony, get Bob Neal to tell you the story from “Football Saturday on TBS” where Van Brocklyn explained how George Rogers was able to qualify academically to get into South Carolina but couldn’t get into Georgia Tech.

RAMBLE ON!!!

July 22nd, 2009
9:44 am

you tell’em Gatorzone!!!

m is spot on once again. I’m amazed even by Tech standards what a genius he is.

Geaux SEC

July 22nd, 2009
9:44 am

I’m amused at the Tech fans pimping their team, with its ’70s vintage offense. Peach bowl game tape now available for all D-coordinators.

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
9:45 am

m, most fans do not call the ACC the worst conference, I think the Big 10 has that honor. However, they are clearly inferior to the SEC. Why don’t you just acknowledge the fact that 3 of the last 4 championships have been to the SEC? Who in the ACC has finished in the top 5 in the last 5 years? Since Miami, and FSU have fallen on hard times the only semi-competitive team in the ACC is VaTech. Granted GT is getting better, but they have not put together consistency yet.
Quit being so obnoxious and enjoy the direction the jackets are going instead of looking to bash every SEC team.

Huh?

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 am

“Isn’t it amazing that the worst conference in the world would do so well with the best conference in the history of the world??”

LOL. Do so well? The ACC split its freaking games with the SEC. Do so well? That is the first time in over a decade that the ACC has not had a losing season record against the SEC. Do so well? You ACC crybabies simply cannot get this through your thick skulls can you? It is EXACTLY this kind of rhetoric that makes everyone think your conference is a complete effin’ joke. You split your games with the SEC and act like its some big accomplishment. You beat your in state rival for the first time in 8 years by a whopping field goal and act like you own them. You win 9 games and act like it was a miracle season. I could go on and on and on. No one will have respect for the ACC until you start having more respect for yourselves and raise the bar on your own programs. Then you turn around and criticize SEC teams for failing to reach the lofty goals that it has the balls to set for itself. Do you think Georgia is happy with last year’s 10 wins? HELL NO we’re not happy with 10 effin’ wins. I didn’t see any rings given out did you? We want to win championships, not go to the damn Chicken Bowl. The ACC and its crybaby fans are a total humiliating failure. What a joke that entire conference is. Have a GREAT day.

mcdawg

July 22nd, 2009
9:49 am

the only thing that can stop the SEC is their schedules-a 2 losss SEC champ won’t cut it and perhaps not a one loss-Penn State, USC, TX or OU could go undefeated freezing out the SEC champ-PSU s schedule is very light as is NDs (don’t laugh)

bull-gator

July 22nd, 2009
9:56 am

Damn m. You certainly are exhibiting an inferiority complex over this ACC vs. SEC what’s the best conference BS. Who stated the ACC is the worst conference in the world? Of the BCS conferences, the ACC is far from the worst. However, looking at the success of the SEC in BCS Championship games over the past several years, you would have to admit that the SEC has had a better success rate than the ACC. I’m a big fan of both conferences, as well as all of NCAA football. Relax and enjoy the competition. Jeez…

T.O

July 22nd, 2009
9:58 am

M,

Put the bottle down. You don’t have a clue. Tech will beat Miss St. and that will be the only win the ACC gets over the SEC. Ole Miss will be favored by 2 td’s over Wake Forest and Vandy will destroy Duke. Clemson will go 7-5 or 8-4 just like they have been doing for the last 10 years. South Carolina will take them out easily. WAKE FOREST, DUKE, CLEMSON, NC STATE, VIRGINIA???? NICE LEAGUE!! And a down Fla St and Miami team = a joke of a conference. Its classic JV Football.

Tiger Bait

July 22nd, 2009
9:58 am

Do you realize how foolish you sec homer-gomers look when the on the field action does not ever match your idiotic sec hype???

38-3 Glad the HUMILIATION hurts so bad!

bamadad

July 22nd, 2009
9:59 am

Atlanta Gator:

Your comment: ” I know the great lengths to which my alma mater goes to assist its scholarship athletes in obtaining their degrees.” You guys make Alabama and their book scandal not look so bad.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:01 am

Tech beez da best teams in da intire lands. We rulez Georgias azz last year and we wills do its again dis year. You feel me, lil dawgs! Johnson is da man and da SEC aint nuthin’. Holla at ya boy, ACC men. SEC is da league of chumps not champs. Holla!

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
10:03 am

Had GT never strayed from the SEC, how would they view the ACC today..? Just wondering.

Mark C.

July 22nd, 2009
10:04 am

Nice analysis m. You conveniently left out Vandy over BC in the Music City and LSU over Tech in the Peach.

Otto

July 22nd, 2009
10:04 am

If GT stayed in the SEC they could be rivals with Vandy.

Bill King

July 22nd, 2009
10:05 am

Academically? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA You are talking about the SEC, right?

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:06 am

Mark, we didn’t care about the cajun trash enough to give them a real game in Atlanta. Dere is no doubts in my minds that we would beat them down in that joke of a stadium in Baton Sewage. LSU and SEC Fans are idiots. ACC Rules!! ACC! ACC! ACC!

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
10:07 am

m,

Very impressive. Any reason you only want to talk about regular season play? They do play games after Dec. 1st that count/mean something right? How about a recap of those as well. Seems like that would complete your thorough statistical analysis wouldn’t it?

SEC Wins
1. No. 2 Florida 24, No. 1 Oklahoma 14 (i think this game meant something)
2. LSU 38, No. 14 Georgia Tech 3 (reason #1 you don’t want to talk about the bowls)
3. Vanderbilt 16, No. 24 Boston College 14 (oh wait, there goes reason number 2)
4. No. 25 Mississippi 47, No. 7 Texas Tech 34
5. No. 15 Georgia 24, No. 18 Michigan State 12
6. Kentucky 25, East Carolina 19

SEC Losses
1. No. 6 Utah 31, No. 4 Alabama 17 (clearly a bad result for the SEC)
2. Iowa 31, South Carolina 10 (another bad result for the SEC)

ACC Wins
1. No. 19 Virginia Tech 20, No. 12 Cincinnati 7 (great win over the big least)
2. Maryland 42, Nevada 35
3, Florida State 42, Wisconsin 13 (this actually was impressive since only 18 players could dress for the game)
4. Wake Forest 29, Navy 19

ACC Losses
1. LSU 38, No. 14 Georgia Tech 3 (wait, does that say LSU is unranked?)
2. Vanderbilt 16, No. 24 Boston College 14 (is that yet another unranked SEC ‘garbage’ school)
3. Rutgers 29, North Carolina State 23 (oh wait, revenge of the big least huh?)
4. West Virginia 31, North Carolina 30 (there goes the big least again)
5. California 24, Miami (FL) 17 (that’s the school where the hippies are in trees right?)
6. Nebraska 26, Clemson 21 (wasn’t Nebraska good like 8 years ago?)

Interesting…

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:09 am

please note that the 10:06 post was not me, another loser imposter

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
10:10 am

bamadad, please explain your comments.

Long Dawg

July 22nd, 2009
10:15 am

M you really need to see a shrink. First you are not only obsessed with UGA because they own tech and tech means nothing without UGA on their schedule. You are obsessed with the SEC.
Facts and stats don’t matter to you do they? Why do you keep leaving out the bowl games whe you talk about the record? Because you are intellectually dishonest. Was it because Tech got smashed by LSU 38 to 3? Why don’t you want to count that game? Does it hurt too much? Look who the ACC beat. Of the 6 wins 2 were vs Vanderbilt and 1 was Mississippi State. 50 % of ACC wins were agains the two worst teams in the SEC. Wake Forest beat Ole Miss on a last second field goal. Alabama embarressed Clmeson, Florida crushed Florida State, LSU crushed Tech.

You are a cry baby and a lier. It’s gonna be a lot worse this year.

DawginLex

July 22nd, 2009
10:17 am

Bowl games don’t count in m’s delusional WOW world because the results don’t fit his agenda.

T.O

July 22nd, 2009
10:18 am

Great post CharlotteGator. And look at the quality of the ACC wins. CINCI, NEVADA, WISCONSIN (7-6,worse Wisconsin team in years) AND NAVY.
And the losses came from Nebraska, Rutgers and Cal. There it is in a nutshell. M, time to turn your computer off.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:20 am

What are you SEC Crybabies going to do when Johnathan Dwyer wins the Heisman this year and overtakes Herschel Walker as the greatest RB to play for a school in Georgia. After Dwyer, everyone in the state will say Herschel who? That is reality – the SEC is inferior to the ACC – deal with it. Yellow Jackets – BCS Bound this year, get your Orange Bow tix now!

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:21 am

Jackets vs UConn in the Orange Bowl!!

Must see TV!

Huh?

July 22nd, 2009
10:21 am

LOL @ the ACC’s bowl victories: 11-3 Cincinnatti, 7-6 Nevada, 7-6 Wisconsin, and 8-5 Navy. Talk about picking on someone your own size!!!

ACC=Total embarrassment.

DawginLex

July 22nd, 2009
10:23 am

Dwyer couldn’t shine Herschel’s shoes.

Overrated

July 22nd, 2009
10:24 am

The SEC was 4-6 vs. the ACC last year in the regular season and 9-15 vs all BCS oppenents. The only thing the SEC can brag about is having the most loud-mouthed fans.

Anonymous

July 22nd, 2009
10:29 am

“The only thing the SEC can brag about is having the most loud-mouthed fans.”

. . . and the last three BCS Championships, and five of eleven overall. That might qualify as a second thing to brag about.

Please refresh my memory. How many total BCS Championships has the ACC won?

reservoirDAWG

July 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

m and overrated are clowns.

Saint Simons

July 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

Is Troy in the sec? so many sec teams play them i thought they were in the sec.

Saint Simons

July 22nd, 2009
10:35 am

Yup I’m back. Another great night at Bulldogs last night. It was raining men again. Just the way I like it.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:36 am

Good call, Saint Simons. Is Troy even Division 1? What a joke! Would love to see Georgia have to play Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC all in consecutive weeks – they would go 0-4! No doubt

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
10:37 am

Why is it when an ACC school is BCS bound, it’s only to the Orange Bowl? Does that say something about how the conference is viewed nationally? I seem to remember SEC and Big 12 schools with BCS bids that were disappointed when it wasn’t Nat’l Champ. game BCS bids. Lets lift the ACC’s expectations of NC’s before we start claiming football supremacy.

When Dwyer wins the Heisman, I’ll be busy preparing my underground bunker in preparation for the end of the world.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:37 am

Got to agree with you there, Simons. Bulldogs on Peachtree is the only place that doesn’t make you feel embarassed to be called that name.

SEC Fan

July 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

Anonymous –

The ACC has not caught a whiff of the BCS title in 10 years. The last time an ACC time won the BCS title was FSU in 1998. The last time an ACC team played for it (and lost) was FSU in 1999. Miami won it in 2001, and played for it (and lost) in 2002, but UM was a member of the Big East then. UM hasn’t been heard from since joining the ACC.

DawgFan

July 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

I hate to bring up old memories, especially since we’re staring a new season in the face, but I couldn’t help but notice while M was blabbering on about how awful the Dawgs are, and how great Tech is, that Georgia just sacked Colt Brennan again. Man, they won’t give that guy a break. By the way, M, nice job losing to an unranked “crap” SEC team in the Chick-fil-A Bowl. Can’t wait to see how you react when the Dawgs return to dominance over the Jackets this year.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

Gee I forgot about Gardner-Webb.

Is that a community college or dance school?

Overrated

July 22nd, 2009
10:40 am

Anonymous,

There is a reason why the SEC is called “Florida and the 11 Dwarfs”.

Without UF, the SEC is average as grits.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:42 am

there apparently are a bunch of m imposters on here.

Bottom line is this…the SEC winning a FAKE championship does not make them a good conference…top to bottom the sec weak last year.

The ACC too the regular season from the SEC last year and will do it again this year.

Bottom line,,,sec is most overrated and overhyped conference in history and will get their arses handed to them by the acc this year.

Sanford & Son

July 22nd, 2009
10:45 am

Actually, m, Gardner Webb is a law firm in North Carolina that handles personal injury cases. They do have a intramural football team that only lost to your pathetic joke of a school by 3 points. Georgia Tech = Pathetic.

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
10:46 am

Rooting for your conference is the lamest freaking thing any person could do. Please. Root for your dang team and screw your conference.

T.O

July 22nd, 2009
10:47 am

M,

Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC???? I wish we could play them. Those are easy wins. Try playing LSU, at Tennessee, FLA, and at Oklahoma State. That’s real football. Clemson is a joke and Miami and FSU haven’t been relevant in 5 years. North Carolina football?? Yea you’re right, they are right up there with FLA and LSU. You’re fighting a losing battle. Please stop with the Clemson talk! You just sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about. This isn’t the 80’s.

reservoirDAWG

July 22nd, 2009
10:47 am

Yeah m, winning all those BCS titles illustrates how fake the SEC is. You’re an idiot.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
10:48 am

Overrated,

So what are the implications then if Tech loses to any of the 3 dwarfs this season?

I’m as big a Florida fan as there is, and there’s not one of us (with a brain anyway) that has said or believes that Florida and the 11 dwarfs nonsense.

Oh, and who’s the dominate team from the ACC again? What/when was their last major accomplishment?

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
10:48 am

Overrated, what about LSU’s 2 national champoionships?
WHat about AUburn going undefeated in 2004?
WHat about Bama 12-0 last year heading to the SEC championship?
What about UGA 1 win away from the championshp in 07?
Your comment makes ZERO sense. The SEC is full of championship caliber teams.
How does the ACC measure up?

DawgFan

July 22nd, 2009
10:50 am

Overrated – So you’re telling me that the ACC is a wonderful football powerhouse, right? I’m sorry I forgot all about that, what with Duke, and NC State, and perennial choke artist Clemson, and the Criminoles (yes, I know UGA doesn’t fare well in the arrest record either), and BC, and Virginia. I would bet that if you matched up the teams this year, and brought your top 4 against our top 4, the SEC would destroy you. You keep claiming dominance over the SEC when you play teams like Miss State and Kentucky. If you did the following, the SEC would crush the ACC:
Florida (13-1) vs. Virginia Tech (10-4)
Georgia (10-3) vs. Florida State (9-4)
Alabama (12-2) vs. Boston College (9-5)
LSU (8-5) vs. Georgia Tech (9-4)
I used the actual standing from the end of 2008 to compile that list.

m

July 22nd, 2009
10:50 am

The sec is the chan gomer gailey of conferences….MEDIOCRE as helle and all hat and no cattle.

The ACC will kick the sec’s arse AGAIN this year….Mark it down.

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
10:51 am

T.O. I’m sorry that Clemson rejected your application. You obsess over Clemson like a dang coot. Oh wait, you probably are. Another coot riding the coattails of their conference.

reservoirDAWG

July 22nd, 2009
10:54 am

m is as stupid as his catch phrase of all hat and no cattle. What a loser.

Atlanta Gator

July 22nd, 2009
10:56 am

bamadad—-Before you make such comments from ignorance and wishful thinking, I suggest you do a little Google homework regarding the University of Florida and the University of Alabama’s respective NCAA Academic Progress Rates (APR), actual graduation rates and Academic All-SEC selections. I believe you will discover that the Gators outpace the Tide on all counts.

After you’ve done that, then you can compare the number of Division I national sports championships and SEC conference championships won by the two schools over the last 20 years. I believe you will discover the Gators have won more Division I national championships and SEC championships . . . .

Next time, don’t bring a water pistol to a gunfight, my friend.

T.O

July 22nd, 2009
11:00 am

JoeV

nothing against Clemson personally. I just think they are the most overhyped programs in the country. They never live up to their potential and M is acting like they are a NC contender every year.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:00 am

Put your money where your mouth is sec fans.

The ACC plays the sec 7 times this year….will the sec win a majority or not???

I say NOT.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:01 am

If you haven’t realized by now, I’m a flamming homosexual. Thank you.

Anonymous

July 22nd, 2009
11:02 am

DawgFan,

Nice top-4 ACC vs SEC comparison. I have just one question for you: why is UGA in the SEC second place slot and not Bama?

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
11:04 am

Overrated says : “The only thing the SEC can brag about is having the most loud-mouthed fans.”

…and more Crystal Footballs than the ACC…

Curious

July 22nd, 2009
11:04 am

m — For the record, what is a “flamming homosexual”?

Observor

July 22nd, 2009
11:05 am

Run m Run!!!!

reservoirDAWG

July 22nd, 2009
11:05 am

because bama is in a different division moron.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:07 am

Come on sec crybabies…go on the record.

Will the sec win a majority of the games with the ACC or not??

I say NOT.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:08 am

Curious,

Ask my boyfriend Saint Simons. He’s the smarter one in our relationship. HEHEH!! LOL!!

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:09 am

I am so smart! S-M-R-T….

Derrrrrrr…….I mean S-M-A-R-T

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:09 am

All you sec m IMPOSTERS don’t change the fact that the sec SUCKS and will lose to the ACC this year.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:10 am

duuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:10 am

I like jacketbackers and take them from Dwyer all the time in the locker room during halftime.

He’ll win my heISaman all the time. :)

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:11 am

my mamma always said that stupid is as stupid does, which is why she said i be so stupid….

Overrated

July 22nd, 2009
11:11 am

Gen,

The SEC does have more Championships, this is very true and cannot be argued. They also have some very good teams with UF and LSU, but the rest of the conferenc is mediocre at best. There are so many easy Ws in the SEC and this can be seen by the 9-15 record it posts when it plays other BCS teams.

Why do you think Tech schedules so many SEC oppenents? The answer is because those teams are cheaper than the Sunbelt conference teams and the wins are just as easy.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:12 am

And Saint Simons makes some of the best pen1scaladas. mmmmm good.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
11:12 am

m,

Not sure how my opinion is money, but whatever, I’ll play ball….

Va. Tech vs Alabama – Bama, Va. Tech has no offense
NC State vs South Carolina – USC
Clemson vs South Carolina – Toss-up as it’s a rivalry game
FSU vs UF – UF, closer than UF expects
Ga. Tech vs Miss. St. – Ga. Tech, closer than Tech expects
Ga. Tech vs Vanderbilt – Ga. Tech, closer than Tech expects
Ga. Tech vs. UGA – UGA, rivalry game that UGA won’t take lightly this year

4-2 with 1 game I think is a push. At worst I see a 4-3 in favor of the SEC. If one of our powerhouses (Miss. St. or Vandy) pull an upset, then your bravado is in a world of trouble.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:12 am

i really like dem french fried potaters…..

Steve

July 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

m,

Please stop gaying up the blog. We’re trying to talk football here.

Anonymous

July 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

Little “m,”

Thank you, once again, for spoiling another blog discussion among ACC and SEC football fans by dragging all participants down to your level of silliness.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
11:15 am

m, you may like jacketbackers, but I myself could never turn down a rusty trombone. I know you like them too. Saint Simons told me about that time at the Cornett Club.

reservoirDAWG

July 22nd, 2009
11:16 am

I think Charlotte has it right.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
11:16 am

Overrated,

Does that include the post season as well? We’ve had a few posters leave that part of the season off when compiling stats. Also, where are you getting that statistic from? I’d be interested to look at the match ups that lead to the record you’re posting. Thanks.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:16 am

i really like to put mustard on dem biscuits…..

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:16 am

Gosh darnit Saint…..didn’t I tell you never to mention that night to anyone? Especially Pi$$onaDawg, he tells everyone.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:17 am

i fix the lawnmowers for dem jackets down yonder on the flats…..

I get paid in potted meat…..

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……….

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:18 am

Oh crap…..now look what you two have done. I have gone and CESSPOOLED in my diaper. Saint, better call your momma to come clean me up again.

Dwyer doesn’t like racing stripes during our jacketbacker sessions.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
11:18 am

On the Graduation rate, some degrees are as easy as showing up to class. Do you want your Dr. to have a 2.0 or a 3.85? Both have a degree but knife in hand I want the Dr. that studied more. Navy Seal Recruits are like college football players because both have the same rate of making it into the top of their field of work. Mike Vick is a supposed VT grad but I would love to see his grades, classes, and GPA. Athens must have GT or Auburn grads running your sewer system too. The Tech or Auburn men are making sure it breaks and keeps Athens smelling like it should.

Saint Simons

July 22nd, 2009
11:19 am

m, momma said to clean it yourself this time. Also sorry about telling Pi$$onaDawg, that must have been the night I had too many virgin pen1scaladas at CPJs.

observor

July 22nd, 2009
11:21 am

Mike Vick never graduated from VT you moron. I see doing research and looking up facts aren’t very convenient for intellectual giants like yourself.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
11:26 am

SEC Fans,

Anyone see this poll?

http://blog.al.com/segrest/2009/07/sec_media_days_fans_grade_football_coaches_results_are_in.html

Clearly doesn’t mean anything, and I’m not trying to build up UM, I’m just wondering if anyone else thought that the results were strange? Strange that Saban wouldn’t win in a Birmingham poll. In my opinion the top 3 are all just splitting hairs. It is interesting though that some of the guys at the bottom are actually coaches I respect and wouldn’t mind having at my school if UM wasn’t there. I think it speaks to the quality of the coaching in the SEC and why it’s a challenge week-in and week-out. Of course someone has to lose every game, so its crazy to think many of these coaches could be out of jobs in a few years.

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
11:26 am

CharlotteGator

“Clemson vs South Carolina – Toss-up as it’s a rivalry game”

You probably don’t care, but have you ever looked at this series? If you have paid any attention to it in the past ten years (even for just a second) you would know this game is not a toss-up. Clemson dominates SC nearly every year. Its been over 30 years since SC won two in a row.

DawgFan

July 22nd, 2009
11:27 am

I picked the SEC teams before getting the ACC teams. That’s why. It doesn’t reflect the actual standings, just a projected top 4 matchup. Like i say, not the order, just the best match-ups.

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
11:30 am

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
11:18 am
On the Graduation rate, some degrees are as easy as showing up to class.

Postings from someone who obviously never really graduated from college! The core courses alone weed out lots of people, and you cannot just walk in and get a degree handed to you!

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
11:36 am

JoeV,

I didn’t look at the series record (or care to be honest) because it has nothing to do with my opinion on this year’s matchup.

Does that mean the UGA-Tech matchup is already decided?
How about UF-FSU? You’ll notice that I didn’t predict a UF route, but a close game. Under your reasoning those two matchups are already decided.

I’ll try to respond w/o taking a shot (novel concept), but the question posed was predict how the games will go this season. If I was asked to perform statisticaly anomaly analysis on matchups between respective teams, then I may have done the exhaustive research on USC-Clemson that I’m sure you’ve already conducted. Oops, mission failed, I fear I may have taken and indirect dig. My bad.

Saint Simons

July 22nd, 2009
11:40 am

I call Yoda….m you can be Darth this time. That leaves Chewy for Pi$$ on a dog. Ok guys? Lets meet at Rainbows to pick up Pajamas and Roddy!!!

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
11:42 am

Gatorzone Many football player don’t take core classes they take remeidal math and english classes that count towards graduation progression. You go check your NCAA facts on their policies? Real stupid kids go to Post Grad High School, Stupid go to junior college, and just getting by kids get in college and take what is easiest with help from a student assistant.

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
11:47 am

again, you did not prove your point. I know football players take remedial classes, but they don’t get degrees without completing the core classes. You have proven your lack of knowledge with your last post. Perhaps you should go to college and see how “easy” it really is.

Ga Tech Fan

July 22nd, 2009
11:47 am

Hairy Dawg 73

This is the REAL reason Tech left the SEC – in case you’re actually interested in the historical FACTS. If not your Ga buddies will now see you as the old fart who just likes to stir up trouble by either lies or vivid imaginations.

http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/02/southeastern_conference_charte.html

Southeastern Conference charter schools move on in different directions
Posted by Birmingham News sports staff February 24, 2008 12:02 AM

By Mike Perrin and Jon Solomon
Birmingham News staff writers

“Dodd Walks”
“Bill Curry was a Georgia Tech lineman when the Yellow Jackets left the SEC in June 1964. He said head coach Bobby Dodd pulled the school out of the conference because he was unhappy with scholarship allocations.

Dodd believed Tech was at a competitive disadvantage because he would sign 28 to 30 players a year and keep them all while other SEC schools would sign 60 a year and run off players who weren’t good enough, Curry said.

Dodd devised a proposal to address the issue. “According to legend,” Curry said, “he went to the SEC meetings and somebody promised him a vote, reneged and changed their vote. When that failed, he walked out of the room and out of the SEC. He felt like he got double-crossed.”

Three years before Tech left the SEC, Dodd and Alabama coach Paul “Bear” Bryant began a long feud after Georgia Tech’s Chick Graning sustained a broken jaw from a hit by Alabama’s Darwin Holt. The coaches stopped talking for years and the series was discontinued after 1964.

Curry said Bryant agreed in 1975 to resume his friendship with Dodd and sought to personally sponsor Tech’s re-entry to the SEC. But Dodd knew some other SEC schools wouldn’t let Tech back in, according to Curry.

All these years later, Curry regrets Georgia Tech left the SEC and says Dodd did, too.”

In case you’re interested – which you probably aren’t since you don’t seem to have much interest in the facts, the article further states the reason Tech’s stadium seats only 55,000 rather than building the larger capacity stadiums found in the SEC.

[...] Commissioner Mike Slive administers a conference flush with cash. Tony Barnhart’s blog this morning on the SEC points out the $2.8 billion television deals and the national exposure of [...]

UGASlobberknocker

July 22nd, 2009
11:54 am

Does anyone know if the new ISP deal will mean a change in the radio stations? will WSB still be the flagship?

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
11:56 am

Leave it to a gator to be an ahole when people are trying to have a civil football discussion. I was simply implying that when a team beats another nearly 70% of the time its hardly a tossup to predict a winner. I don’t really give a crap if you care about our rivalry, or our schools, or our women’s tennis team for that matter. But calling a game a tossup JUST because its a rivalry shows you are not only arrogant but ignorant as well.

m

July 22nd, 2009
11:58 am

I need to be manhandled. Any volunteers? Please be gentle, I am fragile.

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
12:12 pm

1eyedJack

July 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm

m, Ramble on, Pi$$onaDawg, I’d like you to meet …..Mohammed, Jugdish and Clayton. Now go away, and take off those stupid beanies.

G8R GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
12:27 pm

Attaboy, AtlG8r.

ReptilesRule

July 22nd, 2009
12:30 pm

The ACC Championship game was played here in Tampa last year (and will be again this year). I’ll put it all in perspective for ya…there were MORE fans at MISSISSIPPI STATE’S SPRING GAME than there were at that ACC CHAMPIONSHIP game!!! THAT, I would think, says it all!

Saint Simons

July 22nd, 2009
12:31 pm

((((( 45 42))))) hahahahahahahahahahah Tech owns uga!!!!!!!!

Frozen_Gator

July 22nd, 2009
12:39 pm

Tony………I think the good commish is implying that if you have beef, bring it to the SEC office and let’s work this thing out IN HOUSE. The goose needs all 12 of her golden eggs or she won’t be as valuable anymore. I wonder if there anything in the TV contracts that have a stipulation a member going on probation?

Also just how hard headed does the Big 10 have to be before they realize how far the separation with the SEC,Big 12 is becoming. They need to add a team, have a B10CG and start competing. It would help clarify the MNC.

m

July 22nd, 2009
12:40 pm

Ga Tech Fan

You failed to mention that haughty Tech refused to play in Mississippi and would also rather leave the conference than travel there.

Dodd knew he had no chance of rejoining despite Bryant’s efforts.

Just one of the reasons som many people despise Tech.

Anonymous

July 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm

For the record, here are the CU-USC scores for the 4 years since Steve Spurrier became USC head coach

CU 13-9 USC (4-pt CU win)

USC 31-28 CU (3-pt CU loss)

CU 23-21 USC (2-pt CU win)

CU 31-17 USC (17-pt CU win)

Anonymous

July 22nd, 2009
12:48 pm

JoeV,

Maybe you need to do YOUR homework. The last 4 years of the Clemson-USC series don’t exactly fit he definition of Clemson “dominance,” do they?

G8R GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
12:51 pm

Bamadad:

Atlanta Gator’s case in point, see:

http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/007839.php

Huh?

July 22nd, 2009
12:53 pm

“there were MORE fans at MISSISSIPPI STATE’S SPRING GAME than there were at that ACC CHAMPIONSHIP game!!!”

I’m sorry but I thought that bore repeating. Too freaking funny. What a sad and depressing joke the ACC is. My oh my.

G8R GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm

Charlotte Gator:

Regarding the SEC/Birmingham News readers’ poll, did you notice who came in LAST?

Can’t wait for Sept. 19th.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm

I’ve managed to condition myself to look forward to some of m’s posts because some of them are just plain funny.

When he said that Dwyer, a fine rb in his own right, would supplant Herschel Walker as the greatest state of Georgia rb ever I just about fell out of my seat laughing. Dwyer is good but Herschel is arguably the greatest college football player ever. Damn that was funny.

It was funny also to see him mention the ACC won the regular season 6-4 over the SEC and of course he omitted the 2 bowl games won by the SEC to even the record. I thought it was amusing that he actually didn’t think that people would notice this obvious oversight. Its kind of like watching a petulant little child who stole extra cookies out of the cookie jar and didn’t think anyone would notice.

Guys, just look at m’s posts for what they really are which is just kind of silly, amusing juvenile humor. For me they just give me a chuckle and I’ve come to view m as my humor break for the day.

You can’t be mad at m for being stupid. If you’re stupid then you can’t really realize how stupid you are because of the fact that you’re stupid to begin with. As my favorite Bama player of all time Forrest Gump would say “Stupid is as stupid does”

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
12:59 pm

JoeV,

You’re 100% correct. Everyone knows me as the Gator fan that prevents civil discussions and is totally ignorant. I’ll research the history of your posts and tailor my communications with the rest of the posters on this blog to more closely mirror your inclusive, humble, informed, and accepting style/attitude.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm

G8R GRAD and Charlotte Gator,

I saw the poll this morning out of the birmingham news. I thought it was pretty spot on and I’m not that surprised that Bama fans picked Urban as the best coach. Hard to argue against 2 ncs in 4 years plus his accomplishments at building the Utah program before he ever even came to UF.

The other thing i liked is that the poll had Houston Nutt 4th I think. Nutt is the coach I think is underrated and underappreciated. I agree with Saban when he says that he admires Nutt the most because he gets more out of his players than any other coach. He just doesn’t have the talent to work with that a Meyer, Richt, or Saban has.

Didn’t surprise me in the least who finished last. I think fans throughout the southeast would probably vote him last. Hard to believe though that a guy with no head coaching experience in Mullen would finish ahead of him.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
1:09 pm

Gator fans,

Your stats to Bamadad regarding graduation rates are blatantly misleading. The reason our graduation rates were lower is because most of our athletes get bored with school, skipped their senior year, and went straight into NASA’s astronaut program thus skewing our graduation results.

Gatorzone

July 22nd, 2009
1:09 pm

Tide, how about a guy sporting a 10 game losing streak (Cheezit) finishing ahead of Kiffin. THat to me says how low the other coaches think of him!

G8R GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm

tide Rising:

Well said.
I think the nod to HN is well deserved as well.
Glad we’re not playing them again in this year’s regular season.
But regarding Coach Mullen’s finish ahead of Lame Kitten’s:
Probably a testament to the profound dislike and disapproval UT’s coach has burdened his program with.
They will undoubtedly be playing their entire season with targets on their backs and opposing coaches will, in all probability, be reluctant to call of the dogs in the latter quarters.

The Jackal

July 22nd, 2009
1:16 pm

Scroggins will go to USC

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm

Gatorzone,

That’s interesting. I’ll give Chizik this. Its really, really hard to win at Iowa state. Probably dang near impossible. If Chizik coaches the D and he is an absolutely awesome D coordinator and Malzhan’s offense really does produce like at Tulsa then maybe he could actually do something special at Auburn. The thing that’s hurting him the most right now is that he’s just getting killed in recruiting by all the coaches around him. He may have a 10 game losing streak but don’t forget though that he did put a whooping on North Dakota State and Kent State before losing 10 close ones

As for Kiffin when I first read about him I remembered him as the guy who lined up for a 76 yard field goal with a minute left in the half. Forget about all the antics, juvenile and immature comments as the new head at UT.That one single call of lining up for a 76 yard field goal tells speaks volumes about just how dumb this guy really is. Need I say more?

Just my opinion but a premier national program like UT deserves better than this clown.

Jan Kemp's Ghost

July 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm

Nothing has changed

G8R GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
1:29 pm

Tide Rising:

Did you happen to notice where GA Tech ranked on graduation percentages?

Dawg Tired

July 22nd, 2009
1:30 pm

M needs to boost his medication. Clearly OCD. He has some pretty serious medical/psychological problems.

C. Spackler

July 22nd, 2009
1:33 pm

SEC, you ARE great!

However, Tony Barnyard wouldn’t leave his wife for any of your coaches like he would for Saint Bobby Bowden.

So we ACCers got that going for us, which is nice.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
1:43 pm

G8R GRAD,

No. I didn’t see Tech’s grad rates. If its bad then I assume that just like us they have a lot of athletes leaving school early for astronaut training.

Seriously though, Tech really is a hard school and every student has to take some pretty demanding math and science classes no matter what their major is. I remember when I saw this that I thought the level of calculus required would have bumped me out immediately. Cal 1 was enough for me. I wanted no more of that in my college days.

King of Sandy Springs

July 22nd, 2009
1:55 pm

Regular Season Record vs. Other BCS Conferences/ND/Moutain West Conference, 2007-2008

ACC: 26-19 (.578)
Big Ten: 15-11 (.577)
Mtn West: 17-13 (.567)
Big East: 16-15 (.516)
Pac-10: 12-13 (.480)
Big 12: 12-14 (.462)
SEC: 13-16 (.448)

But this doesn’t mean anything does it? It’s just head to head competition. Tony care to elaborate why the SEC has the worst record? Oh by the way, Florida has 4 of those13 wins!! It should be called the Florida and Everyone Else Conferance. The SEC is not as tough as they think.

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
2:01 pm

G8R GRAD : I assume the party has already begun..? Oh well, save me a beer…

Frozen_Gator

July 22nd, 2009
2:06 pm

Tide Rising……..Well said

mexdawg

July 22nd, 2009
2:20 pm

Don’t worry about m he must have misplaced his crack pipe this morning or his mother took away his dungens and dragons game.M i know you are gonna find this hard to belive but there was a time when tech use to draw 60,000 fans to their football games and they did not even have to give away a free hot dog and coke.This was in the early 60’s when tech was a member of the mighty SEC.The worst thing Bobby Dodd ever did was when he had Tech leave the confrence.Things have been all downhill for you since that time while things at GEORGIA have taken off.So m if you must be mad at someone be mad at Bobby Dodd that’s where all your problems started.But M it’s not all bad you get to go to your 40′000 seat stadium that’s half full and enjoy your hot dog and coke.Lot’s of luck loser.

Atlanta Gator

July 22nd, 2009
2:21 pm

Tide Rising—-Time to lose the math anxiety, my friend. If I could help Gator football player get A’s and B’s in the calculus survey course when I was a UAA tutor in grad school, I’m sure I could get you over the hump, too.

At Florida, all aspiring business majors (including athletes) are still required to take one semester of the survey of calculus sequence as part of their distribution requirements. Calculus really isn’t that hard (unless it includes those damn trigonometric functions), and it’s actually kind of fun when you get to see real world applications (like statistics). It also helps when you have a good tutor. LOL

Got 12?

July 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm

King,

Do you have a breakdown of which SEC teams are responsible for those 16 losses? I suspect that the perennial cellar dwellers account for an inordinate amount of those losses.

Also, why are the bowl figures included? Bowl season, as you know, is when equally yoked teams square off.

Got 12?

July 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm

From The News, a detailed chart telling you what each SEC team has coming back in 2009:

http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/07/722SECBIG2.pdf

Got 12?

July 22nd, 2009
2:32 pm

Just curious

July 22nd, 2009
2:36 pm

Why does everyone seem to imply the Ole Miss victory over Texas Tech was some great accomplishment when all you hear about the BIG Tway-ELVE! is that they can’t play D? 47-34, the final score, backs-up what everyone says. In fact, 47 pts was the 2nd most pts scored by Ole Miss in 2008 behind the 59-0 blowout of …. U. Louisiana Monroe.

All the SEC chest-thumping is getting a little annoying. Play the games ON THE FIELD, and determine a CHAMPION, not in the minds and wallets of the greedy, athletically lacking media & corporate sponsors.

So Ole Miss beats FL at FL, and USC loses AT Oregon State, but FL is the better 1-loss team bewteen the 2 (USC-FL), and plays for the NC. Says who? Would the Gators have beaten the Trojans in 2008 …. we’ll never know. Now, for the other two, Ole Miss & OSU. They both finished 9-4, but Ole Miss is the better team. Says who? OSU’s 4 losses were @ Stanford, Penn State, Utah, and home to Oregon. Ole Miss’ 4 losses were @ Wake Frst & Bama, and home to South Caro & Vandy. I think most would agree that OSU’s 4 losses were better teams than Ole Miss’s losses. Now, would the Rebels have beaten the Beavers had they played in 2008 …. we’ll never know. But it would have been a good 2nd/3rd round game in a playoff system!

Let’s get a playoff system in place much sooner than later before too much of the SEC “kool-aid” is consumed.

CharlotteGator

July 22nd, 2009
2:39 pm

Got 12,

Because statistics from the postseason are not convenient.

2007-2008
Sun Belt 1-0…..1.000
Mountain West 4-1…..0.800
SEC 7-2…..0.778
Pac Ten 4-2…..0.667
Big 12 5-3…..0.625
Big East 3-2…..0.600
Big Ten 3-5…..0.375
C-USA 2-4…..0.333
ACC 2-6…..0.250
WAC 1-3…..0.250
MAC 0-3…..0.000

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm

A friend just called me and asked me where the coaches were sitting at sec media days. Who was sitting next to who and so on. I told him I wasn’t sure about any of that except that Kiffin was sitting in the time out corner. Sorry General Neyland but I just couldn’t resist.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
2:52 pm

Atlanta gator,

I eventually got over my math phobia and now I find math concepts fascinating but I’m just not one to do the actual chalkboard work. What’s odd is that college algebra I hated with a passion but when I got to calculus I really didn’t hate it that much. Even odder is that I excelled in statistics. Perhaps its because one day I wanted to really use what I learned to gamble in casinos and on football games and to evaluate odds, etc. Math holds my interest when I can see the real world applications but when you’re just solving problems with no idea as to why you’re doing those problems then I have a hard time grasping it. Speaking of stats I think I’ll go look some up for the blogosphere.

Long Dawg

July 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm

King of Sandy Springs, your numbers mean nothing. You have to look at the matchups and you can’t conveniently leave out the bowl games. The ACC played in 45 non conference games vs 29 for the SEC. How is that possible with the minimum number of conference games required? Look at the ACC vs all other conferences, 50% more out of conference games. I think your numbers are wrong.

Jan Kemp wuz here

July 22nd, 2009
3:04 pm

There’s more teeth in the pre-natal ward at Northside than at Huh’s family reunion for both sides.

Gen Neyland

July 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm

Tide Rising : Time out indeed..! That’s okay, it made me laugh. Really, I’d have to think Kiffin was told Media Days begins on TH23JUL, shirts and shoes required..! Who is the class bully this year..?

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
3:27 pm

My ACC grad proctologist is the best, he was able to give me a full exam even with both of his hands on my shoulders.

I’m going back.

PTC DAWG

July 22nd, 2009
3:40 pm

Frankly, as a Georgia fan, I could care less about the SEC’s record overall vs other conferences. Suffice it to say, I’m quite sure that UGA/UF/LSU’s record vs the BCS and in the bowls is quite strong.

Look at the bowl records lately, look at the BCS games overall that the SEC has been involved in. Don’t forget that many of those BCS games had TWO SEC teams playing. Refresh my memory as to the last time the ACC had TWO BCS Bowl Teams.

I could go as far as to say that in 2007 that I think the SEC had the top two teams in the Nation at years end.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
3:49 pm

King of Sandy Springs and all other ACC and SEC fans,

Let’s just settle it once and for all on the ACC-SEC debate and look at head to head records of every time in each conference versus the other conference. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go!!!!!!!!!!

SEC overall winning %s and wins and losses vs the ACC

Alabama .88 winning % 30 wins 4 losses
LSU .81 22 wins 5 losses
Georgia .73 98 wins 32 losses
Tenn. .71 66 win 25 losses
Auburn .69 43 wins 18 losses
Vandy .63 39 wins 23 losses
Florida .59 49 wins 33 losses
Kentucky .53 20 wins 17 losses

Ole Miss .50 3 wins 3 losses break even against the acc

S. Carolina .475 155-172 losing record against ACC
Miss. State .375 4 wins 7 losses against ACC
Arkansas 0.0 0 wins and 3 losses against ACC

Overall the SEC has 8 teams with winning records against the ACC, 1 with a .500 record, and 3 teams with losing records against the ACC. Of further note is the absolutely dominating head to head performance of Alabama at 88 % and LSU at 81 %. Georgia and UT also have impressive over 70% winning records and Auburn is nearly at 70 with a 69% winning rate.

Now for a look at the ACCs head to head record against the SEC

Georgia Tech .51 winning % 177 wins 169 losses

Duke .46 winning % 41 wins 47 losses
Maryland .43 26 wins 35 losses
Miami .41 58 wins 81 losses
Boston Coll .41 14 wins 20 losses
Florida state .40 44 wins 66 losses
North Carolina .36 35 wins 65 losses
Virginia Tech .33 18 wins 38 losses
Wake Forest .29 12 wins 29 losses
Clemson .28 42 wins 111 losses
NC state .27 10 wins 28 losses
Virginia .24 8 wins 26 losses

So it looks like GT is the only ACC member who has a winning record against the SEC and even then its barely .51 %. Overall the other 11 ACC member’s performance against the SEC in all time head to head is nothing short of abysmal as any fair minded person can clearly see. Its horrible. Only 1 team with a barely over 50% winning record, 2 teams in the 30 % winning ratio against the SEC and 4 teams with winning %s in the 20s against the SEC. Also, 4 teams that are in the low 40% winning against the SEC.

The SEC VS ACC debate is over.

The source is stassen.com a college football database of wins, losses, etc.

Got 12?

July 22nd, 2009
4:17 pm

Tide Rising,

You could also have used annual attendance, TV ratings or revenue to end the ACC v. SEC football debate. (Somehow, I doubt the debate is over.)

Michael Stipe

July 22nd, 2009
4:32 pm

The SEC rules! Oh, and remember to wear eco-fashions to the games this year. Keep our Good Earth green…JMS

Regime Change

July 22nd, 2009
4:52 pm

CMR came to UGA in 2001. The SEC has changed since then.

Bama didnt have Saban.
FL had Zook, and now has Meyer.
Ark now has Petrino
Nutt went to Ole Miss
USC got better when Spurrier arrived
KY has begun to turn their program around
Tenn now has some new NFL coaches, and a Super-Bowl winning D.
GT now has CPJ, not Chan Gailey

The point:

CMR’s record W-L record for the NEXT 7 years isnt gonna be anything like the last 7 years. Its over.

CMR’s W-L record is gonna start getting WORSE, starting with a beatdown by OKST to start a 7-5 season.

Thats right: Losses to OKST, Ark, LSU, FL, and GT.

Too Easy

July 22nd, 2009
5:03 pm

And what would gt’s record vs. the SEC look like if you only counted games when gt was actually in the acc.

Tide Rising

July 22nd, 2009
5:11 pm

Too easy,

I’ll look that stat up also when I get time. Since UGA has dominated the series since tech joined the ACC it would probably end up giving Tech an overall losing record against the sec. I’ll look that up and see but if that’s the case then nobody in the acc would have a winning record against the sec.

"G" STANDS FOR GAY DUMMY

July 22nd, 2009
5:45 pm

With all those SEC teams winning National Championships in football, UGAY won a big fat zero! it’s been like that for 28 years.Maybe the women Gym dawgs can help the over rated mutts. UGA= A WOMENS UNIVERSITY! HAHA

junebaby

July 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm

JoeV…… the reason the sec is receiving all the attention, 1)quality football, 2)the fervor of its fanbase.. when sec fans started recognizing the respect it’s member schools recieved by chanting “sec”, “sec”, “sec” whenever a conf. team was doing well ooc, not just one sec team, but all sec teams benefitted, so, it all kind of mushroomed from there. 3)the sec regular season ticket sales, II to none and one of the hardst to procure. these are the intangibles that the espn’s and other networks love to see, so voila; big big money deals! 4) see no. 2. without the way that fans of the sec came together, i don’t the sec would be signing these sized contracts. 10 or so years ago, the conf wasn’t getting any love from the networks or other conferences for the perks of co. football, but the vocal sec fans helped to change that sit.
so maybe other conf’s fans should follow the sec fans mantra

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm

If you are going to be ME then be ME. I would like to go to JAN KEMP for the exam like she gave UGA–both hands, all her feet, and the Strap-on. steal my name but get it right.

The Truth

July 22nd, 2009
5:55 pm

“In other words: If you’re the SEC right now, the only thing that can screw this up is you.”

Perhaps this is what Arkansas was thinking when it backed out of its HOME game against Texas this year because the piggies were afraid to play two Big 12 teams in the same season.

Pi$$onaDawg

July 22nd, 2009
6:15 pm

Now if you guys will excuse me, all this talk about strap-ons has gotten me all hot and bothered, I’m off to the Heretic.

No calls, plz.

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
6:47 pm

LMFAO Anonymous…

The definition of dominance has NOTHING to do with the score (unless you are talking about 63-17!). A 3-1 record over the past 4 years is dominance. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, you silly coot. 65-37-4 overall. 8 of the last 10. 16 of the last 20! The last time you beat us 2 in a row was 1970!!! My God man, what does a team have to do for you to consider them dominant?!?!? UGA is dominant over Clemson, I would NEVER try to argue that…the numbers speak for themselves. So why is it that you coots can’t see that about Clemson’s dominance over you? Lord man.

junebaby,

I’m not arguing that SEC football isn’t the tops! I just can’t get behind ANY reason to EVER root for your conference. They are supposed to be your enemies man. You are SUPPOSED to HATE them.

JoeV

July 22nd, 2009
6:50 pm

Tide Rising. Thanks for the stats…numbers don’t lie. I don’t know why this gets argued all the time. The SEC is a better conference top to bottom, bottom to top. Now lets all move on and spot the damn ball! 45 days!

GT GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
8:28 pm

SEC is the #1 OVERRATED conference!! So freak’n top heavy and the bottom half is so weak in the SEC. The “SEC is sooo tough to play every week” chant is an absolute lie and a complete JOKE!!

The actual reason the SEC can not be slowed down by any other league is simply because the SEC has a strict plan to schedule the absolute weakest out of conference schedule possible. SEC fans should be embarrassed by the out of conference teams; the only reason most (maybe all) of the decent-to-good out of conference games are scheduled is because of automatic rivalry games.

It seems to be working well for the SEC, but only because the sports media LOVES to talk about how strong the SEC teams are and does not expose the conference for the VERY weak schedules nearly all of the SEC teams play each and every year.

Go GT and I can’t wait for some College Football!!

GT GRAD

July 22nd, 2009
8:40 pm

The phantom “NUMBERS” listed by Rising Tide are funny; the total number of SEC vs. ACC games is 871 while the total number of ACC vs. SEC games is 1139.

It is hard to believe numbers like these when the total games played do not even come close to adding up……….did Rising Tide think he could just list a bunch of random stats and think GT fans would take the numbers as the truth. More lies and mis-information to support an inflated opinion of the most over-rated conference in the nation (The SEC)!! I have no doubt many or most of the blind (sometimes ignorant of the truth) SEC fans take these numbers as absolute facts.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2009
12:14 am

GT Grad,

The numbers come from Stassen.com and you can look them up for yourself. Also, the numbers differ because some include or don’t include Tech’s time in the SEC and Carolina’s time in the ACC. That is why they are off.

Go to Stassen.com and not only will it give you the same breakdown but it will list individual games.

BS Patrol

July 23rd, 2009
1:05 am

Florida & The Eleven Dwarfs!

jacketfan

July 23rd, 2009
7:16 am

thanks Tony–love the academic reference–But competitively, academically, and financially the SEC has never been better than it is right now–…academically??? C’mon, no one is really interested in drinking that kool-aid. To suggest that somehow the academic program is dependent upon athletic dollars is ludicrous. And btw, lovely of you to mention the marriage of Slive’s daughter. For a big guy, you fit in his back pocket pretty nicely.

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GaPnt

July 23rd, 2009
8:52 am

The SEC’s graduation rate for athletes is terrible. Of course the goal is “win at any cost”. Too bad most athletes don’t graduate at the rate some of the Big 12 athletes do. By the way, how many Academic All-Americans has Georgia produced?

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BeyondSEC

July 23rd, 2009
11:46 am

The Big 12 and Big East both beat the SEC in all-time head to head bowl game match-ups.