It’s time to be honest about the BCS

 

Today at 2:30 p.m. a Senate Judiciary subcommittee will hold a hearing entitled: “The Bowl Championship Series: Is it Fair and in Compliance with Antitrust Law?”

 Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah),  you’ll  be shocked to hear, believes that the 12-0 (which later became 13-0) team from Utah was denied the opportunity to play for the national championship by the BCS system, which picks two teams to play for the title after the regular season. In a Sports Illustrated story last week, Hatch called the BCS “biased” and claimed that it “probably” violates antitrust laws.

This is the second time this year representatives of college athletics have been hauled before Congress for a dog and pony show to score cheap political points with the folks back home. Earlier it was Rep. Joe Barton of Texas (sense a trend here?), who called the BCS “communist.”

 

Here is the problem I have with this entire exercise. If you want to have four-team, eight-team or 16-team playoff to decide college football’s national championship, then let’s have that argument. I, for one, would like to see a four-team playoff where the teams are seeded 1-4. And if the Rose Bowl is willing to play ball (and that’s a big IF), there is a possibility that gets done when the new BCS contract begins in the 2014 season.

 

What I don’t like is that in criticizing the BCS, and there is a lot to legitimately criticize, those who want change show that they have not done their homework. In the interest of creating a memorable sound bite or quote, the critics show an incredible amount of intellectual dishonesty, or total lack of knowledge, about what the BCS is and is not and what it has done and hasn’t done for post-season college football.

 

Again, I’m not a blind supporter of the BCS. There is change that I want. But here are a few facts:

 

Fact: Utah was not DENIED a chance to play for the BCS national championship. Utah had as much a chance to play for the BCS title as any other school. But 175 people voted in the Harris Interactive and coaches polls, two of the three components in the BCS formula. The 114 people in the Harris poll voted Utah seventh. The 61 coaches in the USA Today poll also voted Utah seventh and no coach—NONE—voted Utah higher than No. 5. Of the 114 people who voted in the Harris Poll only five voted Utah No. 5 or better.

Fact: Even the coaches in Utah’s league, the Mountain West, did not step up for the Utes when it counted. Joe Glenn of Wyoming had Utah at No. 5. Rocky Long of New Mexico and Gary Patterson of TCU had them at No. 7. Kyle Whittingham, Utah’s own coach, had his team at No. 5.

So where was all the love for Utah BEFORE they played Alabama in the Sugar Bowl? The fact is that while Utah deserved to win because the Utes flat outplayed the Crimson Tide (who didn’t want to be there), it wasn’t until AFTER the Sugar Bowl that Utah became this incredible juggernaut which should have been given the chance to play for it all.

 

Fact: For all of the flaws of the BCS, the fact is that it has provided bowl opportunities that the supposedly aggrieved schools had never had in the past. How many times had Utah played in the Sugar Bowl before the BCS? How many times had Hawaii played in the Sugar Bowl before the BCS? How many times had Boise State played in a New Year’s Day bowl before the BCS? If you answered zero to all three questions you’d be right. “The fact of the matter is that the BCS has given access to those conference that they never had before,” said former SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer, considered to be the godfather of the BCS. “Look at the history of the major bowls. They had almost never invited one of those teams before the BCS.”

 

Fact: The original BCS agreement that was put together back in 1998 never would have happened unless the champions of those six “equity” conferences (ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, Pac-10) had been promised automatic slots.

“Those conferences already had automatic bowl bids. We (in the SEC) had a long standing agreement with the Sugar Bowl,” said Kramer. “There is no way that those conferences were going to give that up without a guaranteed slot. And remember that we were working with four bowls and those were the conferences they were used to dealing with.”

The fact is that the free marketplace determined that those six conferences would get automatic bids and there were at-large spots made available to teams that could play their way in. Maybe you believe that market forces have no place in college athletics, but that is how it happened. It wasn’t a conspiracy to keep the other teams out. It was the only way to get the deal done.

 

Fact: While the six equity conferences do get an automatic bid and the $18 million payday that comes with it, the five Coalition Conferences (Conference USA, MAC, WAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt) have placed a team in the BCS in four of the past five seasons. Those five conferences get an automatic $9.5 million for participating and another $9.5 million when they place a team in a BCS game. So over the past five seasons the BCS has pumped about $80 million into those five Coalition conferences.

 That’s a lot of money that did not even exist before the advent of the BCS. Should the Coalition Conferences get more? Yes, and I believe they will. I also believe that in the future the conferences will be able to get more than one team in the BCS if they have two teams in the Top 10.

All of this leads us to a final fact about the BCS:

Fact: The BCS does not violate antitrust law and this Senate committee knows it.  I’ve spoken to a number of top antitrust lawyers, including Tom Rhodes of Smith, Gambrell & Russell here in Atlanta. They all agreed that the BCS may not be popular with some college football fans but it does not violate the law—at least as the law is currently written and interpreted by the courts.

“The original agreement was put together by a group of antitrust lawyers and has been reviewed several times since,” said Kramer. “Now there are some political problems that the BCS must deal with but when it comes to the law, unless it gets interpreted in a totally different way, the BCS should be on solid ground.”

The fact of the matter is that whether or not you like the BCS, and a lot of folks don’t, it created something that didn’t exist before: A mechanism to match the No. 1 and the No. 2 team for the national championship. It also increased bowl revenues exponentially because it created something of value to the television networks. It also has access points for the teams in the Coalition Conferences. All they have to do is finish in the Top 12 of the final BCS standings.

Again, if you want a playoff, then let’s have that discussion. But bashing the BCS is like bashing the IRS. It’s easy. The fact is that with all of its flaws, it’s better than what we used to have. I remember Georgia Tech having to play in the Citrus Bowl in 1990 to win its national championship. I remember No. 2 Penn State not getting a shot at No. 1 Nebraska in 1994. I remember No. 2 Texas not getting a shot at No. 1 Nebraska in 1983.

The system is going to change because the marketplace is going to eventually demand it, not because Congress is going to push to make its constituents happy. And that’s a fact.

 

270 comments Add your comment

David

July 7th, 2009
8:30 am

The market wants to have a playoff, but it has no effect on the market place. The only way to have a playoff is for the federal government to threaten to pull funds for the sports programs. Since federal tax dollars are being used, then senate has a right to hole hearings.

m

July 7th, 2009
8:36 am

Gee, my butt is still sore from that BEATDOWN we took from LSU.

Thank God & Greyhound I can still filet my flounder, it never gets old!

Buford T Pusser

July 7th, 2009
8:38 am

What federal tax dollars are being used to fund college athletic departments?

Oh yeah, they aren’t.

m

July 7th, 2009
8:42 am

Tony…not only are you a sec homer-gomer…you are a complete tool for the pathetic BSbcs.

The BSbcs is a complete idiotic system that has completely ruined college football. It lets a bunch of biased IDIOTS vote for their favorite team and does determine a true champion like all other sports do.

The reason you sec homer-gomers like the BSbcs is it gives the sec a free ride. But wasn’t it interesting that when alabammer had to play a legitimate Utah team, then Utah beat the crap out of them.

I hope congress BANS the BSbcs and replaces it with a 16 team playoff. It would be the most exciting sporting event in the history of the world…it would crown a true champion…and it would get homer-gomers like Tony out of the mix.

On a side note, Tony, your appearance on the css ACC show was a complete crock. A bunch of sec homer-gomers trying to talk something they don’t know about or care about.

TECHnicallySpeaking

July 7th, 2009
8:43 am

If yo uhave a 4 team playoff, you will have the 5th and 6th place vote getters saying they got screwed. Doesn’t matter if you “rank” the 100 best teams for a 100 team playoff, the 101st. team would cry. And tell me exactly why we have a “play-in game” for the 64th team for the basketball tourney. Wasn’t it to be sure we got the 64 best teams?

Nachos

July 7th, 2009
8:46 am

Is Allbarn still a Division I program?

NEXT#13

July 7th, 2009
8:49 am

NEXT#13

July 7th, 2009
8:49 am

eBuzz

July 7th, 2009
8:55 am

Tony, you can spin quite a justification supporting the BCS, but let’s face it, D-1 football is the ONLY NCAA sport not to have a true champion. It’s OK to drag basketball and baseball on and on, but oh no, not football because this would rob the greedy bowls of their payola.

Here’s the answer.
1. 8 top final BCS poll teams to play it off.
2. Top 8 chosen by giving the computer rating 2/3 of the weight factor to minimize the human polls beauty contest (Otherwise, ND wins their last game, ends up 1-10 and ranked 6 or higher)
3. Quarterfinals at highest ranked host schools starting the second week of December
(Their fans deserve this, not the bowls)
4. Losing 4 teams still eligible for other bowls
5. Semi-finals on New Years at 2 bowl sites submitting highest bids to NCAA
6. Final one week later at bowl site submitting highest separate bid to NCAA
7. All other bowls still played for also-rans and the four top 8 losers.

This puts more money in the schools, NCAA, TV, and bowl pockets, gives fans a break, and it eliminates the never-ending drama with the current system.
Win-win-win-win situation

GATAEagle

July 7th, 2009
8:56 am

Saying that this monopoly isn’t bad because it’s better than it was is a sad statement. Yes, it’s better than it was. It still gives the large conferences the competitive advantage and a monopolist’s grip on the money.

It’s been this way for years and I’d be glad to see Congress turn up the pressure despite having bigger problems to deal with … hopefully these guys can multitask to fix problems. I sure didn’t cast my vote hoping they could only hold hearings on ways to spend more money :)

It’s long past time for something to happen to fix this.

CLTDawg

July 7th, 2009
8:56 am

Wow, umemployment is up, people are continuing to lose their jobs, homes are being foreclosed, and our US Congress is worried about the BCS. Seriously?!?! Get your priorities in order! You can worry about the BCS when you have all the other problems worked out. No wonder Congress cannot get decent approval ratings.

Poor Utah, boo hoo, 2 years ago is was Hawaii and UGA destroyed them in the Sugar, granted Utah beat Alabama, but when your own coach ranks you 5th, there is little room to discuss, much less hold a Congressional hearing.

coachdawg 2000

July 7th, 2009
8:58 am

Tony,
m is an idiot so ignore him. He posts daily ,on the uga blog, the score from one tech game from the last 9 years. The fact is these weeny conferences need to realize that they are just lucky to be there. What was utah’s claim to fame before the sugar bowl. Beating a pathetic michigan team and a bunch of no-defense-playing cupcakes in the mountian west? give me a break! I hate the acc but you actually made it watchable on css (that is saying something when i have to hear nick cellini’s nasally voice- dorsey leven’s pathetic view)

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
8:58 am

It is the victim mentallity that drives this hogwash. We’ve gone from naming the champion before the bowls in the 60’s to having some teams play each other in the 70’s to 80’s, to some games called the BCS in the 90’s and up til now.

This last year there were people in Texas that thought Texas should have played OK for the championship. USC thought that they should have played for it. Utah thought they should be in the big game, but the formula wasn’t right for them this year. Like other schools in the past, they can point and blame but the truth is that they didn’t pull it off when they should have.

On top of that, everyone knows that Georgia Tech should have been in the game, they really did becuase they had rings made up.

CrimsonRedScarlett

July 7th, 2009
9:07 am

What makes people think that the Big 10(11) and Pac 10 would go along with this playoff idea?
A playoff beyond four teans would probably require a shorter schedule, and the NCAA would control revenue in a manner similar to the basletball tournament.
Games in mid-December would conflict with finals for many schools.
Just try rearranging schedules for players, student managers, cheerleaders and the band.

David

July 7th, 2009
9:10 am

Buford:

Public schools and private schools get government money by the way of taxes and/or grants. Part of that money goes to the athletic department.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
9:12 am

Okay, let’s be honest about the whole goshdarn BCS thing . . . .

The Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance and the Bowl Championship Series were each an improvement on what went before. I know, it’s hard to remember when number 1 played number 13, number 2 played number 4, and number 3 played number 8, and everyone had endless and pointless debates on January 2nd as to which college team was best.

The BCS has provided a relatively orderly seeding of the top 8 to 10 teams in the major polls, and rotated the game among the four major bowls and the BCS Championship Game. It ain’t perfect, but it’s a lot better than where we were in 1990.

The BCS will evolve to survive, and because it will ultimately be in the best interests of most of the member conferences. I made a prediction yesterday: Southern Cal will beat Ohio State in Columbus during the 2009 regular season. USC will beat OSU in the Rose Bowl by a similar margin in January 2010. Few people will watch, and the television ratings will be the worst in Rose Bowl history. The domestic ratings for the BCS Championship Game, played in the Rose Bowl stadium a week later, will approach those of the Super Bowl. This will be the beginning of the end of the current logjam.

The BCS ain’t perfect, but it will evolve to survive and make money. There will eventually be a 4-team, post-bowl playoff because it makes sense. A 4-team playoff could seed the top 4 teams based on their performance in the 4 major New Year’s Day bowls (making it really an 8-team playoff), hypothetically, it would allow for participation by 1 or 2 non-BCS teams if they won a New Year’s Day bowl, it would crown a champion on the field, and it could all be over by the second weekend in January.

Who’s with me?

W

July 7th, 2009
9:15 am

It’s shocking to see a Republican representative label something he doesn’t like “communist.” I’m surprised Joe Barton didn’t claim the Democrats are the only ones in favor of keeping the BCS, or that Obama himself was the architect of the whole thing.

bank walker

July 7th, 2009
9:18 am

State schools get money from the state. Only black schools get federal tax dollars, and so does Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, and Illegals, and greedy politicians , and so on .

Frank

July 7th, 2009
9:20 am

Fact,the BCS sux.If it’s so awesome why doesn’t the NCAA use it in all sports?

Scott

July 7th, 2009
9:28 am

The problem is that ranking is determined by voting, not by play on the field.

PTC DAWG

July 7th, 2009
9:28 am

Okay, I’ll be honest..it STINKS…voting on two teams to play for the so called National Title STINKS.

U Gotta B Kidding Me

July 7th, 2009
9:30 am

What really is a joke is in 1990 GT played a barely top 20 team, Nebraska, in a lower tier bowl, to back into their share of a “national title”.

That deserves an investigation.

BCS is Fascist

July 7th, 2009
9:30 am

coachdawg2000:

Your quote: “What was utah’s claim to fame before the sugar bowl.”

Um, well, they hired one Urban Meyer to develop his spread-offense to perfection. Just in case you forgot.

I thought you’d remember that. You know…Urban Meyer…spread offense…annual Jax beatdown.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
9:37 am

eBuzz, Your Top 8 teams will never happen. In order for the 6 BCS conf. to agree to an 8 team playoff they will have to have a spot for their conf champ plus 2 at learge bids which will go to the best of the nonBCS teams and ND if they look remotely decent.

Tony, the 4 team only opens debate for a 8 team or 16 team playoff and leaves out teams live ‘07 UGA, and ‘08 Utah causing even more legal battles.

I say leave it alone the system works great and more times than not gets it right. The current system is also starting to promote big nonConf matchups adding more excitement to the regular season with do or die matchups every week as games that can lead to domino line of changes.

m, Shutup in bowls where the top to bottom of the conf is matched more evenly the SEC kicked the ACC’s but. Also if you’re going to talk smack get more than one team in a BCS game and win them.

How have TV revenues have ticket prices done since the BCS introduced? Give it a few more years and it would not surprise me if commercials for the BCS title game rival those of the Super Bowl.

The golden age of CFB is now enjoy it before Washington and ignorant fans with m’s line of reason detroy it.

buckblue

July 7th, 2009
9:37 am

Whatcha mean the Tide did not want to be in the Sugar Bowl???? When was the last time the criminal tide played in a BCS Bowl game…??? Where do you think they wanted to paly…back in Shreveport…..??

They just got plain whipped by a more motivated team and hungry team…….they had plenty of time to get over the UF loss….I think they were just tired of having to practice another month with Saban…..lol

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
9:40 am

So what is URBAN “Charley Pell” Meyer doing to repair UF’s image with 24 arrests (how does that happen) since he and the age of Aquarius began in Gainesville. Was this not the same MO he had in Utah. Will ND like that next year when he goes there.

It looks like the Jax beatdown had to do with the beat cops doing the arrests!

The Blog Referee

July 7th, 2009
9:40 am

Please delete the comments of blogger “m” @ 9:24 am. The comments are sexually explicit and extremely disrespectful of the moderator and other bloggers.

Thank you.

Bubbadawg

July 7th, 2009
9:45 am

Tony, I have no problem with the BCS except for the other non-championship bowls each year seem quite lame. It’s my understanding that TV ratings also concur. I know that the goal of the BCS is to get 1 vs. 2, but is there any talk of changing how the other bowl teams are selected?

Miles

July 7th, 2009
9:48 am

FACT: Lawyers are far from objective. FACT: A lawyer’s job is to be adversarial rather than objective. Thus, disregard Tom Rhodes and his self serving opinions. Mr. Barnhart, you may be correct about the marketplace having ultimate control over the issue of the transformation from the BCS to a playoff system, but has it occurred to you that the primary place for the marketplace to appeal is by way of the government and the applicable Sherman Antitrust Act? What is interesting is that it is your fellow free market Republicans, i.e., Orrin Hatch and Joe Barton, who are contending that the market created by the BCS is not free! The ghost of Ohio Republican John Sherman lingers.

G

July 7th, 2009
9:51 am

“Those conferences already had automatic bowl bids.”

I’m sorry, which BCS bowl did the Big East have a contract with before the BCS was formed? Oh, that’s right … THEY DIDN’T.

The BCS’ own rules favor votes over performance, and its rules are vague and exclusionary. When the Mountain West proposes moving the rules from a vote-based system to a system based on wins and loses on the field, no one even listened.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
9:52 am

Denver Dog, maybe you should ask instead, “So what is St Mark Richt doing to repair UGAG’s image with 30 arrests (or was it 34?)?” How does THAT happen?

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Otto

July 7th, 2009
9:57 am

buck, You know those irrational Bama fans only care about playing for National Title and certainly not a team that didn’t belong in the BCS.

G, wins over cup cakes week in and week out does not make a good resume except to voters in Washington. They like giving hand outs to the undeserving.

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Follow The Money

July 7th, 2009
10:01 am

B-Bonus
C-Control
S-System

The BCS puts so much money on the table for Coaches, schools, ADs, and College Presidents for any of them to want to “mess with the formula.”

It would seem that its the coaches and/or the schools that want to keep the BCS system in place. A single BCS bowl game pays a lot of money back to the schools and conferences represented in that bowl game. So, win or lose, as long as they just get to a BCS bowl game, the money flows.

THE KEY…IS TO SEPARATE THE MONEY, FROM THE GAME.

Perhaps payng a “fixed” amount for every team that appears in the “tournament.” No additional money would get paid for “advancing” thru the tournament. The playing and winning would based on the desire to win and be champion, not playing for the next pay-out.

If College Football is going to…SURVIVE…the current “All or Nothing” approach will have to be replaced.

The very fact that the TV networks are currently engaged in VERY heated contract negotiations with advertisers & sponsors does not bode well for the current system.

Gen Neyland

July 7th, 2009
10:01 am

If Congress is allowed to dictate to the NCAA, what’s next..? The takeover of GM..?

Not Disappointed

July 7th, 2009
10:02 am

I do think will come, but not because of congress. Ramblin Wreck!!

Joel in ATL

July 7th, 2009
10:07 am

I watch college football from Sept through the first week of December. After that I’m no longer interested because the games do not allow the players to determine a champion, it’s up to the good ole boy voting system no matter who or how the affilation is. Why do I say that? It’s funny how people don’t watch and attend NFL preseason games because they are exhibiton games but when it comes to college exhibtion games we glorify it to the first degree. There hasn’t been a true NCAA Champion since the beginning of time and there never will be. The BCS conferences are funded by tradition and as long as boosters and alumni continue to show love for their schools that’s how it’s going to be. I love tradition but “enough is enough and too much isn’t good for anything”. Basically I just wish the NCAA would come out and say it, The BCS is the NFL minor league system that gives the schools the chance to collect money and provide an education for those that choose to actually go to class. I’m done with the BCS and have been for the past coupole of seasons. It’s not worth the headache. If the BCS was so serious then BCS schools should only play BCS schools and have an even amount of home/away/neutral site games on the schedule each season. Problem with that is then you have to deal with the conferences, school Presidents and ADs, boosters, alumni etc. In short there are too many levels that have to be addressed, so many they will never even out.

Angus

July 7th, 2009
10:08 am

It will evolve – and eventually into some form of playoffs.

My biggest complaint today is that because of preseason polls, 75% of D-1 teams have already been eliminated from NC contention without a single snap taken.

Also, the coaches have no business voting.

Follow The Money So More

July 7th, 2009
10:10 am

Also, you cant overlook the vested interest of “the venues.”

How much money does the Sugar Bowl bring to New Orleans, or the Fiesta Bowl to the Phoenix/Tempe area? You’ve got municipalities, and Chambers of Commerce that also dont want to “mess with the formual.”

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
10:11 am

Hey Super Size, go cheat some more, Georgia Tech, what a fine example for young people, you hyporcritical little weasel. By the way it appears, and I say appears, that Mr. Richt, has made somer progress at that. However; time will tell. At Tech, home of smart (if you like calculus and other math forms) you are comitting acadmic fraud and “teaching your smart people about the rules of the NCAA”. So maybe while you are cheating, you should buy yourself another ring, or build another parking garage!

Howard

July 7th, 2009
10:13 am

Barnhardt…you’re part of the sports media establishment so naturally you think there’s sweetness and light in the BCS mess. As for Congress investigating…colleges receive millions in fed money, so yes, Washington does have a right to stick its nose under the tent. If Obama can own car companies, why can’t he do away with the BCS?? The BCS is a joke and fans everywhere hate it, except for folks that benefit from this travesty being foisted on the American sports scene. And you sir, are one of those beneficiaries!!

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
10:16 am

Miles—-I’m sorry, but you apparently do not understand what lawyers do and are supposed to do on behalf of their clients.

In private, good lawyers always give their clients their best understanding of the law; that’s how a lawyer and his client can make sound business decisions or courtroom strategy. The answers to many legal questions are black and white, but many are not. That’s why it pays to have a very knowledgeable lawyer . . . one who understands both the legal strengths and weaknesses in the client’s case or position. One who counsels the client objectively in private, and who zealously advocates the client’s case in court or position in business negotiations.

As I understand it, the Smith Gambrell anti-trust lawyers do not represent any party related to the BCS or a potential legal challenge to the BCS under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. They have simply offered Tony Barnhart their best understanding of how an anti-trust challenge to the BCS would turn out.

Please save the evil lawyer conspiracy rhetoric for Jim Wooten’s blog.

coachdawg 2000

July 7th, 2009
10:16 am

BCS is facist-
Wow urban meyer is amazing in deed! he coached florida and utah LAST YEAR! 2004 wwas the last time he coached them, we were talking about 2008. I would engage in an intellectual debate but you clearly do not qualify. so good luck being 2nd class.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
10:18 am

Leave the BCS alone for now, let it evolve. Since it has continued to improve, the BCS is as good as it gets for right now on the NC front. We should see what way we can make it move forward. Good ideas would make a better BCS, snipes and congress will put it all out of business just like GM and Chrysler.

gatorman770

July 7th, 2009
10:21 am

Congress needs to be more worried about turning around the US economy that crashed due to the likes of Jimmy Carter’s “Community Re-investment Act”, Clinton administration forcing banks to give homeloans to the unqualified, ACORN intimidation of banks, Barney Frank’s total incomptence, etc.

I cannot fathom how screwed up a government run BCS NC would be, but I guarantee it would cost the US tax payers a lot of money and we’d probably end up with a new un-elected, overpaid “BCS Czar” with thousands of new bureaucrats to help him/her administer the new plan for fair “Change”.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
10:22 am

Follow the Money, It would seem CFB is thriving under the new system. Big10 Network, SEC TV contract, rising coaching salaries, more team in the mix.

Howard, the college may get money, but the football programs largely support most of the athletic department. Obama should not own a car company. It is a movement toward a much more socialist America which is what the Dem’s want. However thats a debate for another blog, maybe on fearless Friday.

This fan loves the BCS and I chat with some Big12 fans reularly that love it too. Why can’t we do away with the BCS? Because the options are not better. The options ruin the regular season and put to much stress on the team players from an academic and injury stand point. Remember D1 scholarship were cut down to 80? from their historical limit which has allowed for teams like Boise St and Utah to enter the debate.

Push Will Come To Shove

July 7th, 2009
10:23 am

I have long believed that it will be the Big 10(11) that will force the change in the BCS system.

Why? Simple. Just look at the state & local economies of the Big 10, especially Michigan & Ohio. How soon before those State governments force HUGE cost-cutting to their universities? Its happening in Georgia right now. And, how soon, before the cost-cutting starts to impact the athletics programs? Watch for the Big 10 to have a DREADFUL recruiting season for 2010. The effects will be obvious by this Fall. So, it will be the Big 10 that screams the loudest for a change to the BCS. Count on it.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
10:29 am

Denver Dog, I guess I struck a nerve there, huh? Can’t face the facts that you have either the 1st or 2nd most arrests of any school in the country. If you’re going to trash Meyer, then turnabout is fair play. But that’s ok, I’m sure St Mark will get all those boys on their knees again, just like he did last Thanksgiving, while Roddy and Nate were running up and down the field with nobody near them. Prayer is a good thing, but in that case better coaching prevailed. And you had better be praying that Willie Martinez comes up with a defense, or Roddy, Nate, and a few more will be running up and down the field with nobody near them again this year. THWG

Otto

July 7th, 2009
10:30 am

The Big 10 and Pac10 have not wanted the BCS at all. The Rose was the last Bowl to join the BCS. They have also been the most opposed to a playoff.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
10:32 am

Supersize, CWM will have a better defense they were all their injured last year. Enjoy your honeymoon with the CPJ.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
10:32 am

“Follow the Money”—-Of course it’s about the money. Just like the NCAA Basketball Tournament, and every other NCAA championship playoff. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Without the television revenue generated there would be no NCAA tournament and no bowl games. Other NCAA sports generate some revenue, but nothing compared to the revenue generated by football and men’s basketball. Without the television revenue from football and basketball, most other college sports would not exist.

Now, can the money also have a corrosive effect? Sure, absolutely. That’s why some schools are willing to sell their souls for better recruits. Sad, but true. And the existing vested money interests are also loosely aligned against a playoff beyond the current BCS. Why? Primarily because the Pac-10 and Big Ten are AFRAID of losing their big-money Rose Bowl deal, and other conferences are afraid of losing their bowl tie-in revenue. On the other hand, the networks are waiving REALLY BIG MONEY for some form of playoff, and that’s why it will eventually happen.

Read my comment above regarding a 4-team, post-bowl playoff that includes the winners from the 4 major New Year’s Day bowls. It’s not my idea, but it’s a good compromise, and may protect enough of the existing money interests to actually get an playoff approved by the BCS conferences and their university presidents.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
10:36 am

Otto, the “injuries excuse” is getting old. You had no more injuries than Tech did. Face it, you fell apart in the 3rd quarter and you never recovered. AND you got outcoached, just like you did against Bama and UF. Look for more of the same this year, except of course you don’t play the Tide this year. Maybe the LSU team that smashed Tech will take over nicely from Bama.

Gator Growl

July 7th, 2009
10:36 am

Let the BCS evolve, as surely it will. The only thing I ask is…let’s not become like the NFL (boooorrring!).

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
10:39 am

gatorman770—-Agreed. Having the federal government get involved in directly regulating NCAA sports or imposing any form of college football playoff is CRAZY TALK. The NCAA and BCS are far from perfect, but anyone who thinks that the federal government can and will fix college football for the better needs to understand how 45 years of federal welfare programs have destroyed lower-income families in America and led to unaffordable healthcare. Too often the problems that the federal government seeks to fix were created or made worse by a previous government program.

Less government, fewer laws, more freedom. Read your Constitution, people.

Come on Tony

July 7th, 2009
10:40 am

To diminish Utah’s victory by saying Bama did not want to be there is what grips my ___ about SEC rednecks such as yourself Tony.

The Bama I graduated from relished Bowl games. The fact is, FL beat Bama, Utah destroyed Bama. The two combined showed Bama was not the team the polls said they were.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
10:42 am

Supersize the top 2 DL were out for the season and if it were not for that 3rd Qtr meltdown UGA would have still won. It was well documented UGA had more injuries than most D1. Further the Injuries excuse is just as old your babble as they both started at the same time.

UGA will return to BCS bowls and GT will return to mid pack in mediocre conf. I’m just glad that I only have to put up with you GT fans for a relatively short period of time in my life.

pensacola dawg

July 7th, 2009
10:45 am

Newsflash! Required new program at tech. Ghetto survival 101!

Pitbull

July 7th, 2009
10:46 am

The season is already too long for STUDENT athletes with 12 games, possibly a conference championship game and a bowl game. That’s 14 games right there without a playoff.

These kids should be students first with academics placed before athletics and public entertainment.

I liked the 10 game seasons of 30 years ago with an end of season conference winner and a scramble for who would play whom in what bowl game. Of course it was controversial and folks argued about who was better and who never got to play each other, but that was part of the fun of being a college football fan.

Now we are trying to organize the hell out of it just like over the top parents have organized the fun out of little league baseball with games that start at 9:45 on a school night just to get the games in for the standings. It’s not about the kids’ fun anymore.

Some people can suck the fun out of anything.

Let’s can the BCS. Let the bowls invite whom they want and let people who do not like it bitch their ignorant narrow minded little pinheads off.

So who won the 1990 national championship, Georgia Tech or Nebraska? Depends on who you ask. Does it really matter in 2009 with North Korea firing long range weapons across the Pacific and Iran trying to get the bomb? No. But 1990 is still fun to argue about when an old time Tech or Nebraska fan gets teased about it in passing. And that is the fun (or WAS the fun) of college football that has been lost.

coachdawg 2000

July 7th, 2009
10:48 am

supersize-
when will you have my computer ready to pick up at best buy? You are here representing the geek squad, right.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
10:48 am

Dream on, Otto. I am sorry for your short, sad life.

IF IF IF. If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn’t bust his ass as much.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
10:49 am

Where did I say IF?

GT, where nerds get shot and robbed everyday

July 7th, 2009
10:50 am

Does anyone think that maybe the teams from the big conferences with automatic bids are just BETTER teams? Yes Utah won in a fluke game that Bama didn’t show up for. Let’s not make it a rallying cry to squash the BCS tho. Utah ended up where they should have. The BCS worked and nobody will admit it.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
10:51 am

coachdawg, I have it just like you ordered. With a desktop background picture of Roddy Jones running down the field with nobody near him. And it plays the Ramblin’ Wreck song everytime you boot it up. There’s nothing like a satisfied customer.

State of Denial

July 7th, 2009
10:52 am

Otto:

Point well taken…”It would seem CFB is thriving under the new system.”

I would emphasize that it only “seems…”

College Football IS suffering, because THE FANS are suffering, financially & economically.

Sponsors & advertisers pay the TV networks. TV networks pay the schools/conferences. ALL…of the mney, comes from…THE FANS.

How many advertisers want to pay the same or more money to TV networks, when even the advertisers can see that the fans…ARENT SPENDING MONEY. How many Ohio State or Michigan fans will have the money(or even a job) by which to afford to buy from the advertisers? Fewer and fewer by the day.

The creation of the Big 10 Network is a sign of economic desparation. Coaching salaries will moderate and start “drifting” lower. Call me a heretic, but I frankly dont beleive that new SEC contract will stand for long. A “re-negotiation” will happen in 2-3 years.

With California (the 7th largest economy…in the world!) facing a complete financial meltdown, how long before that impacts Pac 10 schools like UCLA, Stanford, Cal?

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
10:54 am

Otto, don’t you bother to read what you type? I quote: “… the top 2 DL were out for the season and IF it were not for that 3rd Qtr meltdown UGA would have still won.” Besides your whole post reads like nothing but one big IF. If you want an IF about Tech, then IF Jahi Word-Daniels had not been out with a season-ending injury, you would not have completed nearly so many passes against us.

Bama Aaron

July 7th, 2009
10:58 am

This article starts wrong and then gets worse from there. To start by saying Utah wasn’t denied because the human polls didn’t have them ranked high is damn funny. The human polls are a large part of this problem. Fact is most years unless you start the season ranked in the top 10 you have NO SHOT at #1. The jump that Bama made in the polls last year almost never happens. So any mid-level team like Utah starts the season at a HUGE disadvantage and then has to prove themselves to voters that don’t like to admit they were wrong. I freely admit the system is slightly better than what we had only because #1 & #2 do play. But Tony this system is still so flawed by bias your justification of it really lessens the credibility of your writing.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
11:00 am

Supersize, GO CHEAT SOME MORE LOSER. Don’t hide behind your self. You are an egomanica with an inferiority complex. GO CHEAT SOME MORE LOSER. No, UGA does not have the most arrests, and Tech is still the only school in the State on probation, they are behind UGA and Ga Southern in academics, and in every thing else. If you would like to put some money up behind your statements do it, or shut up with your lies. You are just a half raised mama’s boy, living in your stepfathers basement.

Pascuel Perez

July 7th, 2009
11:01 am

buckblue is a fat, bitter barner with no personality.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
11:02 am

Since the topic of this blog is supposed to be the BCS, I’ll just add my opinion here. I think the whole BCS system is screwed up, and we NEED a REAL playoff system. BUT, congress nor anybody else in DC needs to be messing with it. They have screwed up this country enough, and it looks like it’s getting worse every day. Let the fans decide what is best, and that includes making the TV networks and sponsors and conference heads (especially the Big 10) listen to the fans. Every fan poll I have seen sure seems to say that we want a playoff system. It’s past time to have one.

AMG

July 7th, 2009
11:05 am

The BCS is a corrupt money proposition that ESPN and other major powers are forcing on us. The deal here is very clear. The people calling the shots want controversy because it sells. Do not sit on your high horse and quote a bunch of non sense. The real deal is these people that “vote” might as well be voting in Iran. There vote counts about as much. There is now private voting, but not where it counts. ESPN still has some 37 people of 66 votes by my count. The whole system is one big marketing gimeck. Let people vote that are either college coaches with NO contracts to any other party than there school, unklike almost every major coach out there. And do away with the media getting a vote, they are just too hung up on there own power of manipulation to let them be trusted with something as infintile as voting who is the best two teams in College Football.

David

July 7th, 2009
11:06 am

There’s nothing preventing Utah from scheduling USC, UCLA, Arizona or Texas in a regular season matchup. If the 2nd tier conference teams want to play with the big boys, they should do so in the regular season. Then all could view their true worth.

AMG

July 7th, 2009
11:07 am

GT where nerds get shot and mugged every day . . . and still manage an education unlike anyone up at the watering hole called UGA

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
11:08 am

Denver Dog, Tech is not currently on probation. Where did you get that information? The recently announced violations did not merit any kind of probation. UGAG is the school with the history of severe violations, and UGAG DOES currently have either the 1st (with 34) or 2nd (with 30) arrests of all schools in the country. It was in the AJC last week, if you had taken the time to read past the slanted headline that UF has 24. Since Tech ranks as the 6th best engineering school in the US and one of the best in the world (latest US News report), for you to say that UGAG or Ga Southern have higher academic ratings simply shows your ignorance of the facts. Incidentally, I read where yet another Tech grad is going up in the next space shuttle. How many mutts have ever piloted or even flown in a space shuttle? And how many mutts have ever walked on the moon? I can answer that for you…..ZERO. Tech has one who walked on the moon and too many to remember who have either flown on or piloted the shuttle. But you go ahead and lie there and lick your butt, like a good dog, and every once in awhile come up and bay at the moon.

m

July 7th, 2009
11:08 am

If the sec is so superior to the other conferences, then why did they lose these games??

#1 preseason ugag lost at home to Tech

South Carolina lost to Clemson and Iowa

Tennessee lost to ??wyoming?? and ucla

Bowl bound Vanderbilt lost to Wake Forest and last place Duke

Mighty alabammmer lost to little ole Utah in the sugah bowle

Arkansas lost to Texas

auBARN lost to West Virginnny

Ole Miss was good enough to beat floridah in the swamp but couldn’t beat Wake Forest.

Miss St lost to Ga Tech and La Tech.

The sec went 6-6 with the ACC.

The sec is the ALL hype conference…all talk.

ThatGuy

July 7th, 2009
11:10 am

Otto- If it weren’t for a helmet-to-helmet against VT, GT may have won. If it weren’t for LSU having a month, GT may have won. If it weren’t for a bird crapping in a tree, GT may have won. See? We can all make stupid conclusions on what would or could have happened, but none of it matters except the final score. UGAy fans are such whiners. You lost- deal with it. Giving up 26 points in 1 quarter would have most teams losing. GT was missing its 2 top offensive lineman- does that negate your 2 DLs? Still doesn’t matter. Want to bring up facts that only support your argument? How’s this one- GT is 4 of 5 over UGAy with teams not coached by Chan Gailey.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
11:11 am

A four team playoff or a plus one would solve everything. Let’s face it. We will never go to an 8 or 16 team playoff because it will either make the season too long or diminish the bowls. And presidents will never shorten the season by 1 game to accommodate a playoff system that only benefits 8 or 16 teams. It aint gonna happen so don’t waste your time even bringing it up.

In a 4 team playoff obviously a 5th team will whine about being left out but come on. There has to be a cutoff somewhere and in years past there were usually 1 or sometimes 2 teams that had a legit beef about being left out of the title game. I cannot remember ever a 5rd team being left out of a shot at the title with a legit argument but I can remember lots of 3rd and a few 4th party teams that had valid arguments to being in the title game.

Every one on here can think of 1 or 2 teams in any given year that had legitimate grievances about being left out of a title shot(Texas last year, UGA and USC in 07, Auburn in 04, Alabama every year) but who here can really remember a 5th team that really had a valid, legitimate beef about being left out of the title game?

Delusional Ranting

July 7th, 2009
11:14 am

denverdog said:

“Tech…they are behind UGA and Ga Southern in academics, and in every thing else.”

When denial is THAT deep, its time for a “pharmaceutical intervention.”

Get a grip.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
11:15 am

The Big 10 network was not desperation. If it was cable networks would not have put it on expanded cable. It was a revolutionary idea at the time. The SEC was debating the same but they signed the ESPN contract. In a way the Big 10 paved the way for big TV in CFB.

Yes the economy is down but all of sports are down. However, CFB is getting more coverage than just about any sport. CFB live is on ESPN during the week in the middle of the summer, no recruiting, no spring camps, just the middle of the offseason. Yet we’re still watching and sitting here debating. How many replies are the other bloggers getting talking about MLB or Baseball? Yet the AJC finds a way to get Tony on here even after budget cuts. CFB is very healthy and the media is making a fortune over us debating a playoff.

Yes I have a job and proofreading is far down on my priority list besides I finished my English comp core at GT just before I transferred out in good academic standing.

Trade School Junkie

July 7th, 2009
11:16 am

GT: Grads who Walk on the Moon
UGA: Grads who “moon-walk.”

Otto

July 7th, 2009
11:17 am

*MLB or College Baseball

Otto

July 7th, 2009
11:19 am

Trade School Junkie, Yes UGA students have women on campus to dance with.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
11:23 am

And UGAG students also have sheep on campus to have sex with.

Trade School Junkie Loser

July 7th, 2009
11:24 am

GT: Grads who fail in life and marriage because they lack people skills

UGA: Grads who succeed in life and marriage because they have people skills

Gen Neyland

July 7th, 2009
11:25 am

PMC

July 7th, 2009
11:26 am

Tony I don’t really care honestly. I’m going to watch regardless.

What I want to see is a good loseable matchups every week. I want BCS teams playing BCS teams every week. No FBS action at all.

If the Rose Bowl will play ball I want to see the best possible matchups in Bowl games (especially the big 4) regardless of conference affiliation.

I just want to see the best college football teams playing each other… that’s all.

Color me curious

July 7th, 2009
11:28 am

What exactly does the second “G” in “UGAG” stand for?

PMC

July 7th, 2009
11:28 am

I also think Notre Dame should join the Big 10. It gives the Big 10 an opening in the Northeast markets and it makes Notre Dame much more relevant again…. not to mention creates a championship game which should improve the overall best team coming out of the Big 10.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
11:28 am

To m

You left out a couple of things.

SEC teams went 5 – 2 in their bowl games.

An SEC team won the NC for the third straight year.

And the ACC?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Otto

July 7th, 2009
11:33 am

UGAG? I didn’t know Gainesville St. went by that. They may have sheep I don’t know.

Captain

July 7th, 2009
11:33 am

There will NEVER be a playoff UNTIL the Univ Presidents agree to it. You can blame the BCS, you can call for a playoff, you can point fingers at Ath Directors, Conferences, TV, on and on, but the group holding up a playoff are the Univ Presidents, they are on record as opposed. Dr Michael Adams, the most esteemed President of The Univ of Georgia, a man who claims to know most everything about collegiate athletics and who single handedly hired Jim Harrick, was opposed to a playoff until the 2007 season when the Dawgs got hot and were among the top 4 teams, if not top 2, teams in the nation. The President of my alma mater was suddenly a proponent of a playoff system. A transformation, a make over, Adams throwing himself into the middle of changing the BCS system. I prefer him in the middle of the BCS discussion calling for playoffs as opposed to hiring coaches given his track record.

My biggest problem with the current BCS system is the Bowl games. There should be some criteria for one of the BCS conference champions playing in a BCS Bowl. Over the past few years we’ve seen a weak ACC champion, be it FSU, Va Tech or Wake, playing in a major bowl while not being ranked in the Top 10. We saw a very ordinary Illinois team in the Rose playing S Cal when the nation wanted to see Georgia vs S Cal, a matchup which would have been the biggest TV draw of the Bowl season. This past bowl season we witnessed a real yawner with Cincinnati vs somebody from the ACC. The BCS system for Bowl allocation should be changed, the limit of 2 teams from any one conference to the BCS Bowl system should be eliminated. Fans want to see the best matchups, not conference tie-ins and allocation games. If a conference champion isn’t strong enough to be ranked a Top 10 team, they should not be in one of the premier bowl games.

While I am at it, the Big 10 (11) needs to add a team and have a conference championship, the Pac 10 add 2 teams, and the Big East shouldn’t be in the BCS formula. They were included when Miami, Va Tech and BC were members. Get with the program.

Congress has no business involving itself.

OaktownGator

July 7th, 2009
11:33 am

Tony – very well researched and written article. That is a pleasure to read in this day and age where most writers just throw stuff on the wall to see what sticks, without any research or analysis.

Thanks.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
11:34 am

Grinch,

We actually went 6-2 and 7-2 the year before while the acc went a pitiful 4-5. m never lets the facts get in the way of his argument.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
11:39 am

Color me curious, just read it as written — UGAG => You gag. Just like UGA => You gay. DUHH

Otto

July 7th, 2009
11:45 am

DUHH I think I heard that on “Saved by the Bell” back in the 90s. Were you Screech?

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
11:58 am

the fact that Div. II schools have a playoff should get the point across that there is a playoff in college football and that it should expand to Div I A. Coach PJ won 50 games in 4 years at GA So. 50! something that will never happen in I A as long as the current system is in place.

BruffDawg

July 7th, 2009
11:59 am

Great article. The BCS is not going anywhere. We all watch because it is like watching a train wreck. A four team playoff would be nice, but there are alot of bugs to work out. Auto Bids? Tiebreakers? What a mess. BCS is the best we have ever had so lets be happy with it for now. No undefeated team from a legit conference has ever gotten shafted (Auburn maybe but other two teams were undefeated as well). Win all your games and your there, or get into a better conference.

Georgia Tech Trivia

July 7th, 2009
12:00 pm

The commander of Apollo 16, John W. Young, graduated from the Georgia Institute of Technology in 1952. He was a Sigma Chi and a member of the ANAK Society.

He walked on the moon in 1972.

Maddog

July 7th, 2009
12:04 pm

Gee, I’m so impressed. The “you’re gay”, “no, you’re gay” nonsense has started again. What’s next, “my dad can whip your dad”, “cooties”, “noogies”?

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
12:06 pm

to Georgia Tech Trivia (or should that be Georgia Tech Trivial?)

Wow, thanks for that riveting piece of information. Let’s see, the article is about the BCS. Oh I get it, if you were to get on a blog about Apollo Astronauts, you’d submit a post about the BCS, right? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a tool.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
12:08 pm

To Tide Rising

My bad. Thanks for the correction. Shoot, we’re even better than I thought…..BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Georgia Tech Trivia

July 7th, 2009
12:11 pm

Also, former President Jimmy Carter took “additional mathematics courses” at Georgia Tech. He had a wife name Rosalyn and a brother named Billy. He was from Plains, GA. He served in the Navy. See Dick, see Jane……

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:14 pm

what was the score of the G-day spring game 13-3? Notice how dawg fans have nothing to look forward to. Except more magic from Willie and Bobo (sounds like a pathetic clown duo. Oh wait, it is.) Everything I’ve seen on these blogs from uga fans is about the past and nothing about the future. Rarely positive, rarely insightful. And then there’s the grinch who apparently has a seizure coupled with uncontrollable flatulance when he finishes typing. Yes the SEC has won three titles in a row, but how many have gone through athens?

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
12:17 pm

To Woodee

Speaking of clown names. Woodee?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Do you “pop” a wooded when posting?

And when, in this decade, has a NC or ACC championship gone through Atlanta?

Dawgs

July 7th, 2009
12:19 pm

I thought that this was very well written, and I agree with most of what you said.

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:21 pm

thanks for making my point for me

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:22 pm

I pop “wooded” often

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
12:27 pm

Grinch, Georgia Tech Trivia posted that info in response to earlier mutt slams against Tech as having poorer academic standings than either UGAG or Ga Southern; that’s a laugh. The original post (as I said, by one of your kind) had nothing to do with the BCS either. In fact, if you read back through all the posts, very few had anything at all to do with the BCS, which, as you correctly said, is what this blog was SUPPOSED to deal with. And you are as guilty of NOT staying on the subject as anyone here, so STFU.

Whoops!

July 7th, 2009
12:29 pm

“And when, in this decade, has a NC or ACC championship gone through Atlanta?”

Uh, every year the SEC Champion has won the BCS Championship Game. That’s four times this past decade (2003-2004, 2006-2007, 2007-2008, 2008-2009).

As for the ACC Championship going through Atlanta, that appears to be a goose egg.

The Blog Referee

July 7th, 2009
12:33 pm

Gentlemen,

Please note that the comment of blogger “m” @ 9:24 am has been deleted because of its explicit content and extreme discourtesy to the moderator and other bloggers, as requested.

Let’s tone it down, fellas, and not embarrass yourselves on this blog. Presumably, you are adults. Please act accordingly.

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:34 pm

Dare I say it, I do hope uga beats the ass off of ARK and LSU

Does Marta REALLY Believe in Tele-Commuting

July 7th, 2009
12:36 pm

Whoever knows, please outline the current D-1-AA playoff system.

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:37 pm

Petrino and Miles can suck the proverbial railroad spike and choke on it. I’d be happy if those two lowlifes never won another game let alone have a winning season EVER

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:42 pm

Gator Man

July 7th, 2009
12:44 pm

Everybody knows Florida was the best team last year and the BCS allowed them to show it… so whats the problem?

Nachos

July 7th, 2009
12:48 pm

FEAR THE BLACKOUT !!!

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:49 pm

Woodee

July 7th, 2009
12:50 pm

the problem is the other 9 teams in the top ten

Gator Man

July 7th, 2009
12:54 pm

I’ve never heard anyone complaing.. he we shoulda been number 6 instead of number 7.. i mean.. who really cares at that point

CFB Nut

July 7th, 2009
1:00 pm

Right on, Tony. A well-reasoned and knowledgeable breakdown of the FACTS about the college football postseason.

I think, down the road, a four-team playoff within the current bowl structure would be great. We’d still have controversy at No. 4 vs. No. 5, and we’d still have three great championship-level games to decide it. We could use the current polls/computers to decide the top four, which would still stoke the fires and generate discussion in the media.

You could have the semifinals on New Year’s Day (making New Year’s special again) and rotate them among the Sugar, Orange, Fiesta and, if the Rose will play ball, Pasadena (I’m sure the Cotton Bowl would be willing to take the Rose’s place). The title game could be played 7-10 days later.

This takes away the logistics and academic arguments the BCS presidents have made. Games would still end by early January, and we would still have the long break between the conference title games and Jan. 1, leaving time for finals and an opportunity to rest up from the regular season and prevent injury.

It will take a generation of university presidents and chancellors to retire to see this progressive thinking. Deep down, the conference commissioners and bowl leadership agree with the coaches, players and fans that a four-team playoff would be a logical next step.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
1:05 pm

Gator Man,

There is no problem. The bcs got it right and the best team UF won it all. People just like to complain but the reality is that in most years the bcs has mostly gotten it right and as Tony pointed out the current system is 10 times better than what we had before with the no. 1 team sometimes playing a no. 6 or 7 team depending on the bowl tie in.

I think a plus one or 4 team playoff as Tony pointed out would solve everything. A 5th team would complain about being left out but how many times in the past is there a 5th team that has a legit beef about being left out? Usually its a 3rd team like Auburn in 2004 or 2 teams like UGA and USC in 07 but rarely is there a 5th team with a legit gripe.

8 team or 16 team playoff will never work though because it either detracts from the bowl season, makes the season too long, or would require scaling back 1 game in the regular season which will never ever happen. Too many schools need that extra game to generate much needed revenues.

jarvis

July 7th, 2009
1:08 pm

Twice in the last 3 weeks the Supreme Court has ruled against standing precedent. One on age discrimination and the other on reverse discrimination. Not very close to anti-trust, but bucking precedent seems to be a growing trend in the higher Court.

Tony the whole problem with a monopoly (or polyopoly as this would be) is that they tend to ignore the market. What are consumers going to do? There is not alternative for college football fans. They aren’t going to turn off the TV.

That said, I hate government involvement in anything.

DawginLex

July 7th, 2009
1:08 pm

m the idiot,

It might be all hype but the crystal in the cases says otherwise. ACC will never compete for the national title as long as it hires 2nd rate coaches. Butch Davis is the only hope for the ACC and he won’t stay around too much longer before he will bolt to the SEC or Big 12.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
1:11 pm

DawginLex, so does that mean that you finally accept the fact that Tech won a share of the 1990 National Championship? After all, we have the crystal in the case, as you put it—the same crystal trophy that is now awarded to the BCS champion.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
1:12 pm

WAAAAH STAY ON SUBJECT WAAAAH UGAY GETS ARRESTED FOR DRINKING A BEER WAAAAAAAH YOU CAN’T JUDGE ME FOR JERKING IT TO HENTAI PORN WAAAAAAAAAH

Drew-G-A

July 7th, 2009
1:13 pm

What are we gonna fix by this. nothing. I hate all you basketball fans trying to ruin our great sport. You just started getting in to College Football and now you think you know how it should be run. There’s NO way for a playoff to even be fair. It’s called Strength of Schedule. If you playin one of the 6 elite conferences than you should get a better shot. If these namby pamby teams want to be recognized at the end of the year, then get on the phone and call up an elite program to shcedule a regular season matchup against a BCS opponent.

Yes, Utah did beat Bama. But, that one win doesn’t warrant the wasting of my tax dollars for this circus. As long as TV is involved it’s always gonna be about money to a large extent. And while Utah is great and all, people simply aren’t going to give the stations the ratings they need for Ad money as much as a team from a BCS conference will. It’s called fanbase. It’s called having over 100 years of tradition as an elite program.

I’m all for Utah getting their shot. But let’s face, they were not voted in to that game despite beating bama because they played pancakes during their regular season, and had some close calls against those pancakes as well. If you want to be an elite program than keep on winning Sugar Bowls and start scheduling good non-conference opponents, or even join a better conference.

TO BE AN ELITE PROGRAM TAKES TIME. IT DOESN’T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT TAKES YEARS.

globeflyer

July 7th, 2009
1:15 pm

It’s time to let it go….As a Bama fan, we got whipped by Utah. (Outscored by The Gators.), BUT looking forward to this season, we have a lot of question marks….Thats what makes sports so much fun, a new season. Personally, I am more wary of Ole Miss than anyone else on our our schedule. Good luck to the Dogs, AU Tigers, Gators,Bayou Bengals, Rebels, etc., etc…UNTIL we meet on the field. Then I want us to hand you your head “on a platter”…RTR

wxwax

July 7th, 2009
1:15 pm

Saying the situation was worse before the BCS isn’t really much of a defense of the BCS.

I’d like to see an honest article about the power one single game, the Rose Bowl, has over the entire question of a college football playoff.

Talk about disproportionate. As always, it’s about the money.

Drew-G-A

July 7th, 2009
1:15 pm

By the way, wanted to say nice job Tony. I liked your reasonable approach to this whole thing.

[...] Tony returned from a month-long hiatus yesterday, and he’s back with a vengeance.  In his post from today, Mr. College Football talks very candidly about the BCS: What I don’t like is that in criticizing [...]

Eric

July 7th, 2009
1:28 pm

What do you expect from republicans? Maybe since she’s no longer a governor, Moronica Palin can step in and fix it.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
1:30 pm

Supersize, I will agree with you on the offtopic comments. UGA and GT both have their areas that they excel in. If I wanted an Engineering degree I would go to GT and for business UGA.

Tide, Tony has posted the teams that would not make a 4 team playoff. UGA in ‘07 and Utah last year among others would not make the cut for a playoff. It would lead to more problems and an 8 team playoff. If you play the old bowls and then a 4 team playoff it still may not be solved and will lead to further debate and 8 team playoff.

Basketball has how many teams and they still debate on who did not make it in. I’ll take the system the way it is. If the Government tries to fix it I have absolute faith they well further screw things up. They have a great track record at that.

Gen Neyland

July 7th, 2009
1:37 pm

GT Trivia :I have a neighbor that graduated from GT and I’m sure he’s a heck of an engineer when times are good for his business but in the game of logic, well…The guy bought a tractor that won’t go because it needs a new motor. Oh, they don’t make the motor he needs anymore and he can’t find one. He wanted to put chickens inside chicken wire between the rows of his garden to keep bugs out of it. When told that was rather odd, he opted to plant clover between the rows to keep the weeds out instead. I asked him if he ever heard of deer…We’uns that live around him call his place Green Acres.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
1:39 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

You said for me to STFU. STFU?? What are you, 13 years old. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

For the record, I’ll “STFU” when I care to, or when the AJC blocks my posts.

Coach D

July 7th, 2009
1:42 pm

I love the College Football Regular Season ,but hate it when it gets past the Conference Title games because everything is subjective.

Conversly I hate Pro Football during the regular season, because teams that clinch their division mail it in the last 2-3 weeks to rest up for the playoffs, and a team can lose 7 or 8 games and make it to the post season if they win their division while others that play in a tough division and finish 3rd in their division 10-6 or 11-5 can miss out. With that being said, I LOVE the NFL during playoff time, because a team like an Arizona who is playing with heart and momentum can knock off a 12-4 team like Carolina.

I just want to see the a championship decided on the field not by university presidents and conference officials. A Plus One is probably the easiest alternative. Florida would have beaten anyone last year so a playoff would have just delayed inevitable. And USC and Texas were the 2 best teams in the nation in 2005 in the best title game ever. But in 2007, 2006, 2004, and 2003, a plus one would have gotten it right. 1# vs. 4# and 2# vs. 3#. Teams will still get left out, but I think it will be a better season.

DA

July 7th, 2009
1:44 pm

Any politician caught talking about the BCS should be removed from office. Do we really want advice from the same government that brought us the postal system?

PTC DAWG

July 7th, 2009
1:46 pm

I find it funny that even on a blog not directly related to UGA, the GT fans come here and start spouting off of some sort of claimed superiority. Thanks for the humor.

Tom

July 7th, 2009
1:47 pm

“Georgia fans are passionate, but let’s face it – they’re not the brightest fans. Passionate, but not bright.” – Eric Zeier, Novemeber 21, 2001

Coach D

July 7th, 2009
1:48 pm

I love the College Football Regular Season ,but hate it when it gets past the Conference Title games because everything is subjective.

Conversly I hate Pro Football during the regular season, because teams that clinch their division mail it in the last 2-3 weeks to rest up for the playoffs, and a team can lose 7 or 8 games and make it to the post season if they win their division while others that play in a tough division and finish 3rd in their division 10-6 or 11-5 can miss out. With that being said, I LOVE the NFL during playoff time, because a team like an Arizona who is playing with heart and momentum can knock off a 12-4 team like Carolina.

I just want to see a championship decided on the field not by university presidents, conference officials,coaches, and the media worst of all. A Plus One is probably the easiest alternative. Florida would have beaten anyone last year so a playoff would have just delayed the inevitable. And USC and Texas were the 2 best teams in the nation in 2005 in the best title game ever. But in 2007, 2006, 2004, and 2003, a plus one would have gotten it right. 1# vs. 4# and 2# vs. 3#. Teams will still get left out, but I think it will be lead to a better post season.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
1:48 pm

grinch, considering the meaningless nature of your posts, you should be blocked just because of your ignorance. You are to UGAG what “m” has been to Tech—a total embarassment. Although to “m’s” credit, he has lately for the most part cleaned up his act. Your constant use of the “bwahaha….” crap is pretty indicative of a total lack of maturity. But I guess that’s the kind of help they hire at fast food places.

New Georgia Encyclopedia

July 7th, 2009
1:49 pm

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
1:58 pm

Grinch,

If they haven’t blocked a moron like m then they aint gonna block you by any means so I’m thinking we’re all pretty safe unless one of us starts sounding even worst than m. And sounding that idiotic would be hard to do. You would have to work hard to be more moronic.

Otto,

I see your point but still have to respectfully disagree. There will always be some complainers after the bowl season. I may have mistakenly thought UGA and USC were both ranked 3rd and 4th before the bowl games which probably wasn’t the case when I think of USC.

But the truth of the matter is that if you go back and look over the last 10 years you can’t find one season where a 4 team format or plus one wouldn’t have solved the problem.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
2:14 pm

Coach D,

Great point. There are many years and 2005 sticks out in my mind where there are clearly 2 teams that stand out and above everyone else and there really isn’t a need for a plus one or a 4 team playoff and in 2005 it would have just been a waste of time.

In other years a plus one or 4 team format to begin with such as 2004 when Auburn got left out would have been perfect.

We could solve this if they could have some flexibility and come up with a formula where in years where there is an overwhelming consensus as to who the top 2 teams are such as Texas-USC in 2005 we just let them play it out. There are a lot of years where we can very reasonably discern who the top 2 teams are such as when 2 bcs conference teams go unbeaten and everyone else has 1 or more losses.

In other years where the polls, records, and or bcs pts system indicates that there is not enough separation between the top 2 teams and a 3rd deserving team such as Auburn in 2004 we then automatically go to a plus one or a 4 team playoff. This would work in years where there are 3 or more undefeated teams or several teams have at least 1 loss or like in 2007 when several teams had 2 losses.

The only problem with this is that it would require just a little flexibility and common sense. And that would be a lot to ask for.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
2:22 pm

Okay, guys, if you have a 4-team, post-bowl playoff, where the 4 teams are selected from the winners of the Fiesta, Orange, Rose and Sugar bowls, everyone understands that it’s really an 8-team playoff, right?

That means the cut-off is really between the 8th and 9th ranked teams, not between the 4th and 5th ranked teams. Hypothetically, here’s what a 4-team, post-bowl playoff would look like:

January 1st

Fiesta 1st vs 8th

Orange 2th vs 7th

Rose 3th vs 6th

Sugar 4th vs 5th

Bowl seedings would rotate yearly. You can rank them by whatever method on which 121 DivisionI/FBS presidents can agree. It doesn’t matter.

The next round would be played January 8th, or the Saturday following January 8th, so that there are at least 7 days between games. Semifinal games would be held on the campuses of the higher seeded teams, with tickets evenly split between the opposing fans.

Fiesta Winner vs. Sugar Winner

Orange Winner vs. Rose Winner

Monday night, nine days later, the National Championship Game would be held in a stadium that holds no fewer than 90,000 fans.

It’s all over no later than January 24th. Two teams would play a total of 15 or 16 games (depending on whether their conference holds a championship game), and two other teams would play a total of 14 or 15 games. No other team plays more than 13 or 14 games (the current 12-game schedule plus a bowl). All bowls other than the Big 4 are played as they always have been, with all of their usual conference tie-ins. It doesn’t matter.

There. All done. I solved the problem. I’m one smart Gator. Who’s up for drinks?

Otto

July 7th, 2009
2:24 pm

Tide,

http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/04/23/would-a-four-team-playoff-solve-bcs-problems/ has a list of the Top 4 for the past 10 years.

It would solve some years but what if a 2 loss Ohio St wins in ‘05. How many teams will complain. Utah in’04, UGA and Hawaii are left out in ‘07 and Utah in ‘08. The undefeated Boise St team also get hung out. I agree the perfect system for each year varies but TV contracts and locations would be difficult to setup each year and who would decide? I’ll take the current system with its flaws.

Nachos

July 7th, 2009
2:28 pm

This just in…. Alabama just sacked Matt Stafford again.

Utah Utes… bring it!

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:30 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

You want to criticize me and others about our “lack of maturity”, yet you tell people to STFU. Classy, dude, reeaaalll classy. BWAHAHAHAHA!!

By the way, what meaningful information have you posted on here today? Right, nothing.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:31 pm

To Nachos

This just in……Alabama has managed to lose another 21 games in just one day. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Playoffs !?? Are you kiddin me !? Playoff ??

July 7th, 2009
2:34 pm

Woodee:

Good Link on the D1-AA playoffs.

Any idea on how those 16 teams were selected? I think there are about 8 D1-AA conferences, so maybe it was the top 2 from each conference. Each team appears to be have been ranked 1-16, teams broken out into 2 main brackets, and the games reflected Higher/Lower rank games, just like in March Madness, 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, etc.

So, perhaps a D1-A 16 team playoff would take the top two from these 8 conferences: ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, MWC, Pac10, Big East, plus ND.

D1-AA starts tournament play Thxgiving weekend. D1-A wold have to start after Championship weekend for ACC, SEC, Big 12.

I would think that a D1-A playoff system wold be as awesome as March Madness, but I’m not sure the athletes can take a season that long.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
2:36 pm

Super Size, you are wrong, Tech is on probation, and they have been found guilty of Academic Fraud. You students have been found guilty of trying to kill citzens AKA Ga Tech Al Quaeda. You also have had 11 arrests in the past year, so don’t try to play like the 72 virgins that you and your fellow classmates claim to get. UGA is not on any kind of probation. SO ESAD.

You are so passive agressive, you came on here attacking UGA and then act like you cam on to talk about the BCS. I guess if my school had never been to a bowl like that, I would want it changed too! Get a life you loser

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:36 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

Hey, buddy, I’ve got a little spare time so I went back to the beginning of the blog. You posted 6 times – that’s right, 6 times – before you uttered one word about the BCS. Yet, you trash others for not staying on topic. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Playoffs !?? Are you kiddin me !? Playoffs??

July 7th, 2009
2:37 pm

Thats 1-15, 2-14, etc. etc.

observor

July 7th, 2009
2:37 pm

Does Tony ever read or even reply at all to his own blog? Talk about mailing it in…..

Otto

July 7th, 2009
2:42 pm

Atlanta Gator, The idea is good but the only way the BCS came to be was to agree that the BCS conf champs get a guarantee to be in a BCS bowl. In order for the same leaders to agree on a playoff the same deal would have to be made. 6 BCS conf champs and 2 at large bids.

On top of this not being fair for a strong team who happens to be 2nd best in their conf being left out, teams like Cincy make it in while their is a fight between ND, and other teams for the two at large spots. Last year Texas, Utah, Bama, and TCU would be fighting for those 2 spots.

Anonymous

July 7th, 2009
2:43 pm

For the record, Georgia Tech was on NCAA probation in 2005-2006, 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. The Jackets were officially off the hook last fall.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:45 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

You said “Your constant use of the “bwahaha….” crap is pretty indicative of a total lack of maturity.” So if “bwahaha” is a lack of maturity, then what do you call these classy clips from your various posts today?

St Mark Richt

UGAG

If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn’t bust his ass as much.

But you go ahead and lie there and lick your butt…

And UGAG students also have sheep on campus to have sex with.

UGAG => You gag. Just like UGA => You gay. DUHH

STFU

Sorry to do this to you, Supersize, but….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

DawginLex

July 7th, 2009
2:45 pm

I guess m didn’t study logic at Tech. In a year where the SEC was “down” according to him, the SEC champion still won the national title.

If that doesn’t speak to conference strength, I don’t know what does.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:49 pm

Pot, kettle….supersize, woodee….woodee, m….m, supersize.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
2:52 pm

Otto—-You are aware that the BCS adopted new rules regarding which conferences receive automatic bids, right? With the new rules regarding BCS conference eligibility, the Big East is very likely to lose its automatic bid at the next review, leaving only 5 automatic bids (ACC, Big East, Big XII, Pac-10, SEC). The other three could be picked from the next highest ranked teams regardless of conference affiliation. Sorry, no special deal for Notre Dame; the Irish are either ranked in the top 8, or they can play in the Aloha Bowl.

My plan works, and it requires only three additional games be played (2 semifinals and the final). Realistically, the real problem is getting the Rose Bowl to give up its Big Ten/Pac-10 tie-ins. Maybe the deal gets cut where the Rose Bowl can always have the higher ranked of the Big Ten or Pac-10 champions, thereby maintaining some semblance of its 65-year tradition. I could live with that.

Myles Brand

July 7th, 2009
2:53 pm

Denver Dog, the probation Georgia Tech was under involved no academic fraud.

However, the most recent probation served by The University of Georgia did.

From ncaa.org…..

“Violations of NCAA legislation governing recruiting inducements, extra benefits, student-athlete competition while ineligible, academic fraud and two additional instances of unethical conduct committed by a former assistant men’s basketball coach.”

The Blog Referee

July 7th, 2009
2:54 pm

Children, hush!

Grinch and Supersize, can you guys grow up? You’re embarrassing the rest of the Dawg and Tech bloggers.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
2:57 pm

No, Denver Dog, Tech is NOT on probation. If you have proof that they are, I will humbly defer, but until you give that proof, you are wrong. Admitted violations and self-imposed fines or whatever does not constitute probation. And the football program was not involved in any of those violations. The probationary period Tech was under ended last year. Regarding arrests, 11 arrests sucks, but it does not compare to UGAG’s 30 or 34 (I cannot remember who the other team is; I only know that UGAG was one of the top two in the country). And as far as attacking UGAG posters, I only respond to what you a**holes type. I would be happy to talk only football or basketball, but you jerks make that impossible. In recent blog about Tech recruiting, the first 5 posts were slams against Tech by UGAG posters. I guess since it was about 9AM, all the usual Tech posters were at work doing their jobs; who knows what the UGAG posters were doing, other than stirring up trouble.

Grinch, I used the “STFU” once and directed it to you. How many times today alone have you typed that assinine “bwahahaha”? You call that maturity? Grow up, boy.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
2:57 pm

To Myles Brand

Nice try. That was two basketball coaches ago. If we can go back that many “generations”, then tech got busted two football coaches ago when O’liary used academically ineligible players for, what, 3 years? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Otto

July 7th, 2009
2:59 pm

Atlanta Gator you are getting warmer. I did not hear that the BigEast will lose their auto bid. IMO the ACC should too.

I am still not a fan of 5 automatic bids as it encourage teams to sluff games or not schedule tough games for the OOC schedule. If UGA is headed to an 8 team playoff as SEC East champ why risk the QB and RB against GT?

The Blog Referee

July 7th, 2009
2:59 pm

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
3:01 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

Let’s put this in perspective. If I were out in public around men, women, and children (can’t be the tech campus because there’s no women and it’s too dangerous), and uttered “BWAHAHAHAHAHA”, would anyone really take offense.

Now, let’s say you’re out in public and you uttered “If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn’t bust his ass as much”, or “But you go ahead and lie there and lick your butt…”, or “And UGAG students also have sheep on campus to have sex with”, or “UGAG => You gag. Just like UGA => You gay. DUHH”, or the classic “STFU”, would someone be offended.

Now who is truly immature? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Myles Brand

July 7th, 2009
3:01 pm

Grinch, all I was doing was correcting Denver.

Reading…..is FUNdamental.

Sick of you too

July 7th, 2009
3:02 pm

The BCS is BS and will always be BS. The only solution is a playoff system that will truly determine a national champion. Otherwise, it has been and will continue to be no more than a popularity contest. Utah should have been in a playoff system and, based on their performance against Bama, they were a lot better team than people thought. Also, Ole Miss should have been in a playoff and they might have been the best team in the country at the end of the year. It would have been fun to watch Ole Miss and Florida play again in a playoff. It would have been the game of the year and would have been a much better game than the OU/Floirida game. Ole Miss was better than OU at the end of the year.

Gator Man

July 7th, 2009
3:03 pm

Grinch, I think you meant to say “49-10 bwahahahaha”

m

July 7th, 2009
3:04 pm

I am watching Tech kick the living crap out of ugag AGAIN on CSS right now. It will replay tonight on CSS at 7:00 PM.

It is amazing how that high school offense ran all over that powerful sec defense.

45-42…just the beginning.

Tom

July 7th, 2009
3:05 pm

Myles, I’ve been meaning to ask you…..

WTH is a grad of a tiny polytechnic in upstate NY whose main athletic endeavor is a decent lower-division hockey team doing running the completely bought-and-paid-for NCAA, anyways?

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
3:07 pm

To Gator Man

No, actually I meant to say “I’ll charge this AK-47 to my dead girlfriend’s credit card”. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Tom

July 7th, 2009
3:08 pm

Oh, and Myles…..thoughts and prayers to you in your fight.

DawginLex

July 7th, 2009
3:11 pm

m enjoying the 1 out of 8 and 4 out of 18 in his basement next to his fort. Since you are home, you obviously don’t have a job or you are a kid home for the summer.

Either way, the world is a better place because you are home and not out in the real world ruining it.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
3:12 pm

Otto—-Regarding the 5 or 6 automatic conference bids, virtually all of the time, the Big Ten, Big XII, Pac-10 and SEC champions will be in the top 10; most years, the ACC champion will be, too. It’s a compromise, but remember compromises will be necessary to get the deal cut. The Utahs of the world want to play the Floridas of the world, not the other way around.

As for why UGA would play its starting quarterback, it’s simple. Seeding and homefield advantage. In my scheme, after the 4 New Year’s Day bowls are played, the semifinals are played on the higher seeded team’s homefield. So, if you’re a 10-1 UGA looking at your end of season game against Tech, and not knowing whether you will win the SEC Championship Game for an automatic bid, hell, yeah, you play all of your starters! If you’re ranked high enough, and you lose the SEC game, you may still get one of the 2 or 3 at-large bids by beating Tech and being ranked in the top 8.

See, I’m good. Already thought of that.

Gator Man

July 7th, 2009
3:12 pm

grinch, what are you talking about?

Playoffs !?? Are you kiddin me !? Playoffs??

July 7th, 2009
3:13 pm

I know it sounds heretical, but wouldnt the ACC, SEC, and Big 12 conferences prefer NOT to have their teams play each other in a 13th game, i.e. a conference championship? Havent SEC fans complained about the conference “beating up on each other?” Does a 13th game help that?

The overall resutls for the SEC is, while it means another W for one SEC team, it means another L for another SEC team. Did that extra L hurt Bama in the final Bowl selection process last year?

How many Conference championship games resulted in two teams playing a re-match of a regualr season game? Do the fans really want to see a re-match.

For the ACC, both the 07 & 08 ACC-CG’s featured re-matches of BC vs VT. While BC won the 07 & 08 regular season gaems vs VT, BC lost both 07 & 08 ACC-CG’s to VT. Frankly, I didnt want to see a VT-BC re-match, and I dont think the fans did either based on the ACC-CG attendance figures.

If one team routs another team in the regualr season, does anyone really want to see the same two teams play again?

Would a D1-A playoff eliminate the “value” of a conference championship game?

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
3:13 pm

Okay, Grinch, I have to admit it. That was funny.

Tech Fan Since 1950

July 7th, 2009
3:15 pm

It really is “time to be honest about the BCS.” The BCS is a fraud and the NCAA Playoffs for all the other NCAA Divisions in Football are not frauds. It is about time “Mr. College Football” began to support the NCAA versions, rather than the rigged BCS. I sure hope Congress and the President will eventually clamp down on such a fraudulent system as the BCS. Yes they’ve inherited a bad economy and a couple of wars and certainly have many other things to do. But nationally setting something right is important too! Integrity, honesty and fairness are among the most important values.

Jonesboro

July 7th, 2009
3:15 pm

These two links are the reason there will not be playoffs in the near future. It doesn’t matter what any other university presidents, commissioners, coaches or fans want. The Rose Bowl-Big 10-Pac-10 triumvirate controls the college football postseason period. When they want to change there might be playoffs until then, forget it.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-rose010507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jo-delany010507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
3:18 pm

Grinch, this isn’t public, and I would only talk like that to somebody like you if I were in public. I’m sure I would get more laughs than complaints…and that would probably also be true of any dawg fan who was present. Most of the dawg fans I personally know can take the ribbing, no matter how dumb, and they can dish it back out in equal fun-loving measure. By the way, the bullfrog line was used regularly on TV by Don Meridth on Monday Night football, and as far as I know, nobody ever complained; he might not have used the word “ass” (I don’t remember), but everybody knew what he meant. And he used it to deride people/fans/coaches/players who are always making excuses. As far as your “bwahahaha”, you’re right, nobody would be offended, but I’m sure people would look at you like you’re a jerk, at least after you had used it as many times as you do here. It’s the monotony of it, bubba….just like m’s “thank god and greyhoud…..” line. It gets old REAL QUICK.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
3:19 pm

Grinch,

I have to admit that as a Bama fan even I laughed my arse off when you said that we managed to lose 21 games in 1 day. That was pretty funny. Nachos is the Bama fans version of m.

Otto, Yep. I forgot about the tv contracts and such. That kinda does put a monkey wrench in things. So much for flexibility.

Atlanta gator,

Grasshopper now sees what you’re talking about. You’re talking about a 4 team or plus one AFTER the bowls. I was thinking more along the line of a 4 team playoff in which the bowls were part of the playoff and if it was a plus one system the bowl selected to be the plus one would simply be the bowl game that is in the rotation that particular year to host the championship game. I just can’t see a 4 game playoff after the bowls. I can see a plus one but that’s about it.

Last, I just don’t see the Big East losing its automatic bid. Where did you see that? I read the exact opposite that because of a large northeastern tv market, bc, rutgers that they will keep it. Personally, I don’t think they deserve it and if they do then the mountain west should also get an automatic bid judging by their success not only in the bcs bowl games they’ve played in but their recent success against the pac 10 (5-0 and 5-1 over the last 2 years)

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
3:21 pm

Gator Man

You’re kidding, right? If not, contact of your gator brethren.

Anonymous

July 7th, 2009
3:24 pm

Tech Fan Since 1950

“Fraud” is an awfully strong word. What exactly is “fraudulent” about the BCS? Could you explain that in simple terms so the rest of us can follow your logic?

Also, for everyone, can we take a little survey:

1. Do you believe the federal government should tell universities how to run a Division I playoff?

2. Please state whether you have ever read the U.S. Constitution, and, if so, what clause of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to run college football playoffs (for extra credit, you can identify where Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton are spinning in their graves).

3. Please identify yourself as a Democrat, Independent or Republican; liberal, moderate or conservative.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
3:24 pm

Atlanta gator,

Grinch got Bama fans also with his comment that we managed to lose 21 games in a single day. I’m still laughing about it. I reckon we own another record albeit an infamous one.

shane#1

July 7th, 2009
3:30 pm

I like the idea of a four team playoff using the BCS bowls to cut the top eight down to four. Bingo! You have a playoff system with only two extra games. I agree with Tony, some form of playoff will come as soon as the BCS TV contract expires. College presidents will be looking for more money due to the state of the economy.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
3:34 pm

Otto—-As I understand it, there are new performance criteria for a conference maintaining its automatic BCS bid status, and the Big East has been very shaky since the departure of Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech.

As for my plan, it’s actually a “Plus-2,” if you’ll pardon the tortured lexicon. That is the four winning teams from the Fiesta, Orange, Rose and Sugar bowls will play in two semifinal games. The two winners of the semifinal game will play one more game—-the New Grandaddy of Them All.

That’s a total of three additional games after the bowls—-2 semifinals, and one championship.

Chris

July 7th, 2009
3:34 pm

The only comment in this entire string that made sense to me was by Pitbull. I liked college football better when national championships were “mythical.” Today it is all about how much money they can wring out of it. I sort of liked the controversy in years gone by when more than one team claimed a national championship.
Oh, and by the way, virtually every college in America–public and private–is tied into the federal student loan program, and you better believe the goverment uses that carrot to keep colleges kowtowing to their demands.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
3:35 pm

shane#1—-Exactly right. Glad I could help.

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
3:40 pm

Tide Rising that was a really bad gameday—-21 losses in a single day. You should try to hire the Gators’ game scheduler. According to many AJC bloggers, the Gators always have a week-off before their really tough games.

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
3:45 pm

To Supersize that order, mutt

I guess you and I have found some common ground. My “BWAHA” is to get a rise out of my “friendly foes” and it seems to work. Much the same as you post name, right? It probably ticks some people off and that’s the purpose. Let’s have some fun, and remember, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sam Houston

July 7th, 2009
3:47 pm

The two key words are VOTE and INVITE.
The teams are VOTED on as to who plays who and where. The bowls INVITE who they want to play in their bowls.
Sounds like a fair system to me. The
rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
3:48 pm

Atlanta gator,

Come to think of it. Didn’t you guys take a month off to prepare for us last year?

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
3:49 pm

Grinch,

Don’t lose the BWHAHAHAHAHAH. You just wouldn’t be the same.

PCole

July 7th, 2009
3:50 pm

Don’t want a playoff, will never want a playoff, even more don’t want Congress involved in any way. If it’s so bad for collgeg football, why are ratings, revenues, etc at an all time high? Who would pick 1 thru 4 or 8 or 16 – can’t wait for the boring bubble talk we are subjected to when they pick 65 in college basketball.

Those of you who love playoffs, put your money and time where your mouth is and watch the lower divisions that already have 16 team playoffs.

Obama

July 7th, 2009
3:52 pm

Sam Houston, what is that? The rich getting ricer and the poor getting poorer? Hmm, looks like I need to propose a new tax on the bowl committees or have congress to threaten the head of each bowl game and set a salary cap for such a trivial position.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
3:53 pm

Gator, We’ll see. IMO the playoff pushes more teams to play slack OOC schedules. The automatic bids would have to be cut back which I also don’t see.

Tide, money and legal contracts always getting in the way….it is a pain. I do like the idea however.

Anonymous 1) No 2) Yes 3) Conservative in most topics but both parties are very flawed and represent the moneyed corporations before the people.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
4:05 pm

Otto,

Not sure how a playoff would affect OOC schedules but I would hope it wouldn’t have any effect at all. One thing that I certainly don’t want to miss is big time intersectional contests and I get even more excited about playing Va, Tech this year and Penn State next year then I do most of the sec slate.

Also, in 2004 when there obviously wasn’t a playoff one of the reasons Auburn got left out in the cold was that their noncon schedule was absolutely embarrassing with 2 D2 teams I think and then someone like Middle Tenn. on top of that. OU got in over Auburn mostly because they played more respectable noncon games.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
4:07 pm

All this football talk has me all pumped up.

I just ran outside when I saw the mail lady and stiffarmed her at the mailbox. Hope she’s okay

Atlanta Gator

July 7th, 2009
4:13 pm

Anonymous—-In answer to your survey,

(1) No, I’m against the feds getting their grubby paws on college football. They’ll find some way to tax it, and geographically distribute the playoff bids.

(2) The federal government could only rely on the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause, but that would probably be more than a majority in the house and senate could swallow.

(3) I will keep my party affiliation to myself. This is a non-partisan blog.

GT

July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm

Tony is part of the BCS. He votes on the rank of the teams that is a large part of how these teams get into the house in the first place. Any other article would have a disclaimer that let you know the real bias is the press that has a dog in the hunt. Imagine basketball being decided by this same group of non academics that group around one idea like it was a religion quiet often turning fiction into an event. Take all the articles written last year about Carolina and see if any of the “in the know” doctors of hot wind would have UNC above three or four Big East teams. The other thing always left out of these briefs is the new effect of parity on college football. Wearing a certain football uniform doesn’t guarantee an outcome anymore. It just became that way a few years ago and maybe in full bloom with the Alabama, Utah game, and it will take time to set in. The Bear and 200 all state football players against some cow college does not exist like it use to. Not unlike the USA basketball team playing third world nations and then celebrating like the war was over in Time Square. One of the problems with this nation is it likes to look like winners more than be winners or why would we cheat so much.

Tide Rising

July 7th, 2009
4:28 pm

Anonymous,

My politics are to the right of Attila the Hun

REFMan

July 7th, 2009
4:29 pm

Whoever wins the BCS Championship is a “Paper” Champion. On “Paper”, Alabama should’ve dominated Utah. On “Paper”, a few years ago Oklahoma should’ve dominated Boise State. On the Field, it was a different story. Who wouldn’t have wanted to see USC vs Florida last year? The playoff system is the only way to determine a true champion. The Bowl system in it’s archaic ways and the money / tradition involved is causing all this political BS. People argue that the kids should be in school during the playoffs, so does that mean the kids in the other divisions of collegiate football don’t matter? People argue that it would put less meaning on the regular season games. So are the regular season games in the NFL meaningless because of a playoff system? Will Georgia – Florida mean less because there’s a playoff system in place? No, like the BCS, it’s all BS. Until there’s a solid MONEY solution that’ll please the schools and BOWLS to go through this Political BS, thing’s won’t change. Don’t try to dodge it, and go straight to the root of it.

Otto

July 7th, 2009
4:36 pm

Tide,

right of Attila the Hun? Will you run for office? The PC, tree huggers we have now annoy me.

IMO Auburn ‘04 changed the scheduling practices of several schools especially those looking for respect like UGA. It also helped form the Chik Fil A kick off classic. I am surprised USC is slacking off on their schedule after the series with Ohio St ends this year. If you’re in a BCS conf with an automatic birth why bother scheduling big OOC games?

The Grinch

July 7th, 2009
4:36 pm

To Tide Rising

Then that means your politics are in my neighborhood. We definitely have something in common. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Otto

July 7th, 2009
4:40 pm

USC vs UF last year? If that happened not only would Utah be fighting for a playoff but they would also be fighting to get the PAC10 replaced in the BCS with the MWC.

BubbaDaBaller

July 7th, 2009
4:44 pm

I think our elected representatives should be allowed to handle BCS issue. Look how well they did with the MLB players and steriods!

Greg

July 7th, 2009
4:54 pm

Man some of you on here post on this board all day. Guess you have no lifes at all. Sad

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
5:02 pm

Damn, Grinch, we are in agreement again. What’s this f**ng world coming to?

(BTW, I just through in that obscenity to get a reaction from you….LOL)

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
5:03 pm

Greg….LIFES ??? Maybe you should spend more of your life in school. LOL

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
5:05 pm

OOPS, dammit, I did it to. That should have been “I threw in that obscenity,” not “I through in that obscenity.” Oh, well, nobody’s perfect. LOL

BILLY JACK

July 7th, 2009
5:05 pm

Tony-ignore m he is mad about the gay pride parade may be cancelled this year.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
5:06 pm

DAMMIT, I did it again. “TOO”, not “TO.” I guess it IS time for me to get a life.

SuperB

July 7th, 2009
5:12 pm

Are you still counting the last UPI poll in 1990 as a national title for the Wreck? Come on– the AP was the real championship that year!

Put Utah in the SEC East this year and let Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, or South Carolina play in the Mountain West. If Utah goes 12-1, let them play for the title. But if any of the four SEC powers goes 12-0 out there, they can either play for the crown or like Utah, cry on Orrin Hatch’s knee.

athensdawg

July 7th, 2009
5:18 pm

(college presidents and tv executives) The american people are stupid. We know what is best. Besides, we are making loads of cash here….leave us alone, you dumb college football lemmings, and go back to your ESPN….that will put them in a zombie like trance and make them do what we want.

(sports media) The average college football fan is stupid. They can’t even understand the incredible 5,000 word arguement I just wrote promoting the BCS. Besides, I get to decide who wins the national championship. Why should I change that? But, in the meantime, let me keep justifying this silliness…..that will keep the college football watching lemmings at bay….lets distract them with our arguements….that will make them do what we want.

(united states senators) The american people are stupid. They don’t like us right now, so we need to do something so that we can win re-election in 2010. Let’s get them fired up about college football so we can distract them and raise their taxes (and our salaries) some more. Then, when it’s time to vote, we will tell them how we saved college football and that the other party is full of money loving greedy people or liberal commies who want to impose socialism. That will make them do what we want.

do you see a pattern here? I do….and it is pretty scary.

Class of '98

July 7th, 2009
5:37 pm

Tony, I know you’re not going to read this becuase it is about 463rd on the reply list, but this column is DAGGUM SHAKESPEAREAN!!!!!

This is why you are the best in the business.

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
6:03 pm

SuperB, tell it to the NCAA. They recognize Tech as co-champion in 1990. Go take a look at the crystal in the trophy case too, if you have any dobut. You will see that it’s the same trophy awarded now to the BCS champion. Tech was 11-0-1, and Colorado was 11-1-1, with one of their wins coming as a result of a referee giving them a 5th down, and one win (Orange Bowl) coming because a referee called a phantom clip on what would have been Notre Dame’s winning TD run. Tech should have been unanimous champion, but I’ll settle for shared, and regardless of what fools like you think, it’s REAL.

Larry

July 7th, 2009
6:42 pm

“Again, if you want a playoff, then let’s have that discussion. But bashing the BCS is like bashing the IRS.”

Not even close!

ChilliDawg

July 7th, 2009
8:07 pm

From some of these comments, I’m afraid that many college football fans are the kind that would vote for George W. again or (God help us), Sarah Palin. Unbelievable.

ChilliDawg

July 7th, 2009
8:11 pm

Has college football become NASCAR ? Or has it been that all along ? God, I hope not. If so, I’m outta here.

Jonathan

July 7th, 2009
8:12 pm

Bulldawg writer,

once again Barnhart you fail to mention money when the BCS is mentioned. The BCS is strictly a business or cash cow for a select few conferences. I’m a SEC fan and like that we get a huge chunk but I have to admit this isn’t fair. Even if a Boise St makes the cash bowl it’s conference gets little money compared to ACC or SEC. This is why Congress will end up getting involved. The BCS has a track record of stall-stall-stall at every chance and never be honest. I look forward to the day the BCS is blown apart.

NYJacket

July 7th, 2009
8:37 pm

The present BCS is a joke!

The Joke Next to Coke is Broke

July 7th, 2009
9:01 pm

Supersize,
Why don’t you use your vast financial resources and make a donation to the North Avenue Trade School? You guys are nearly bankrupt at Tech and everybody knows it. You talk like you have some money. (I am sure you are all talk and probably only make about $60,000 a year). Things are so bad at Yech you guys had to hire an outside firm to market the sale of seats at Bobby Dodd. Nowhere else in the country is this the case. Desperate times call for desperate measures. CPJ is a good coach, but the dilemma is that his success will spell his departure from Nerdville. No coach worth a darn hangs around the Joke Next To Coke (See Bill Curry, Bobby Ross, George O’Leary, …..boy this list goes on and on). DRad has to regret leaving LSU for the debacle known as Tech. Be a good fan and support the cause. And remember to take your handgun to the games this year. You may need it. See you in November at Booby Dodd. It may the ONLY time your stadium is full this year.

Yours Truly,
Wes (I am a Beachball with Arms) Durham

Supersize that order, mutt

July 7th, 2009
9:38 pm

Joke,
First of all, Bill Curry was not a good coach, and Tech didn’t lose anything when he left. Second of all, a winning team makes money, and I have total faith in CPJ and D-Rad. Thirdly, I don’t know where you get the idea that Tech is broke. If that were so, D-Rad could not have increased CPJ’s salary to what is either the highest or second-highest in the ACC. Of course, we could not have increased Hewitt’s either, but that was obviously a BIG mistake. I have no idea why an outside firm was hired to sell tickets; that definitely seems like a waste to me. However, I doubt that Tech is the only school in the country who does that. As far as my giving to Tech, I have been giving to Tech, both to the alumni fund and the athletic fund since I graduated. I am retired now and don’t have the resources I once had, but that does not stop me from both contributing and buying season tickets. What I earned is none of your business, but I can assure you it was more than enough to meet my needs, plus some. Do you even earn an income, and do you either provide support for or buy season tickets for whatever school you support, or are you just a bandwagon, sidewalk fan with no education?

[...] Mr College Football: It’s Time to be Honest about the BCS [...]

junebaby

July 7th, 2009
10:49 pm

BANK WALKER….., it sure sounds as though you really, really hate black people! but not as long as they can win football games for ya huh! jesse jackson and al sharpton are the same color as those players you cheer for on sats. but hate the rest of the week, or do you actually think those players vote rethublican(or in other words; conmen extroadiniare). just use em’ for what they’re worth, but hate their mommas and daddys?

macrotech

July 7th, 2009
11:03 pm

Denver Dawg, was the BCS around in 1990? Until there is a playoff system, there will ALWAYS be debating and complaining from the teams that are feeling left out…. Of course, with the tone of all of these posts; we’d argue anyway! LET’S JUST GET THE SEASON STARTED!!!

Sam Houston

July 7th, 2009
11:25 pm

To Obama
The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer; a sarcastic way of saying that because of the system the power conferences and schools will always be at the top and the smaller conferences and schools will always be at the bottom. We have always voted on the teams that can compete for a national championship. It has never been settled on the field. The smaller colleges don’t have a problem playing for a national championship. It would just be nice to see a level playing field and everyone have a shot, those who qualified, at WINNING and not be VOTED a national champion.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
11:48 pm

The only people that want the Feds involved are those fans of teams who can not make it without help from outsiders. Major conferences generate a lot of revenue for the smaller conferences through the BCS bowls.

The BCS program is not perfect, it is evolving. If we insist on having lesser teams playing in big bowls, the audience will subside, and so will the money. All schools in the NCAA benefit from the money from those bowls.

I believe that June Jones brought his Hawaii team into New Orleans in 2008, and got stomped.
Boise upset Oklahoma on the last play of the game trick play in 2007. Utah beat Bama soundly in 2009. The computers and the voters have some sense about who is good and who is great.

Supersize, I looked back on the blog thread for your name, and you always attack UGA, just as you did today. If you are so smart, do you not thinkg that we can trace back and see how many negative comments you have made on these blogs. I graduated from college 35 years ago, and I can figure that out.So go moonwalking, I met John Young, he is a nice man, enjoy your Coke, owned by UGA grads, and keep paying money to all those UGA people that are your bosses. You look good in your PJ’s in your mom and stepdads basement.

Tech is still on probation, they comitted Academic Fraud two years ago, and are like you A TOTAL FRAUD. Osama Bin Laden recent recuriter for the Tech Grads

Whopper Dawg

July 7th, 2009
11:49 pm

Tony,

You are so full of it, it is coming out of your ears. Your facts are laughable, no team outside of the BSC conferences have a chance in hell of playing for the championship next year no matter what happens, unless one goes undefeated against what is perceived as quality outside of conference play and every BCS team has two losses and that may not get it done.

The bottom line is money and that they can get away with it. You may have talked to top attorneys, but there are other interpretations of the law. It will end up in the hands of Congress or in court and it should.

A playoff can be done, should be done and it will be light years better than this crap and you can still protect your precious regular season, in fact I think the playoffs will make the regular season better, because now you can win head to head and still be voted out (Texas/Oklahoma last year). so you tell me what the regular season counts for?????? It isn’t wins or loses, it is opinion, and only opinion. The only valid arguments the BSC disciples have is 1) sometime we think it matches the two best teams (it is debatable if that has every happened) and 2) we aren’t going to change anyway, so stick it up your rear.

Everyone knows it is money, everyone knows it can be done and everyone knows they won’t, so keep your facts to yourself.

The people losing are the fans, who by the way, pay for the whole thing.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
11:51 pm

Macro, no there wasn’t a BCS as we know it 1990. Tech did what they had to do to get the share that they got. However, there were major bowls then, and Tech chose not to play in one, or were not invited.

Denver Dog

July 7th, 2009
11:54 pm

Macro, isn’t that at least half of the fun, debating about who should be the MNC. It still is the MNC, and Florida did what it needed to do to win it. USC, UTAH, Texas, they all had a right to complain, but they did not do what they needed to do to win the MNC

Tony Blowhard

July 8th, 2009
12:31 am

I love to be on my knees for the BCS!

Georgia Tech Trivia

July 8th, 2009
12:36 am

The all time leading rusher for our football team is a convicted CHILD MOLESTER!

BravesFan79

July 8th, 2009
12:53 am

Rules for being the national chumps, i mean champs:

1. You must be good MULTIPLE years in a row. No cinderella stories allowed here.

2. If your not ranked in the top 5 in the preseason……you have NO chance! Dosent matter if you go undefeated, might as well plan your trip to the whogivesafck.com bowl.

3. All thoughts of a fair playoff system must be pushed aside so that we may continue to see .500 teams play infront of 500 fans in something called a “bowl”. Which is nothing more than an excuse for the chumps on the winning team to jump up and down like mokeys yelling “were # 1″ when in reality there ranked 40th.

After all…. clearly people like tony realize that football players are more sensitive and emotionally retarded compared to other athletes, so it might hurt their feelings if they dont get rewarded for mediocrity with a free tshirt and chic fillet coupon at the end of the year. After all….. this is peewee, i mean college football… where ALL the little kids get a trophy at the end of the year!

Thank God im from a city that offers REAL Sports!! Go Braves, Falcons and GT Hoops!!
I root for GT and UGA in football, but i often find myself thinking… whats the point? You loose 1 game and the season is prettymuch pointless. Heck even if you go undefeated theres STILL a 50-50 chance the season was pointless. Just ask Utah, Auburn and Boise State.

Miles

July 8th, 2009
2:07 am

Today’s issue was one of antitrust. It would have been nice to see a few more comments pertinent to this topic. I suppose this would have been asking too much.

macrotech

July 8th, 2009
2:28 am

Denver Dog, I don’t mind debating…tis the reason for posting on these blogs, though I do feel that the ‘debating’ on here can be silly (Obviously, I don’t mind it…I jump in often). However, the issue of national championships should be more genuine. After march madness, you rarely hear much about the validity of the national champion. Since the beginning of ncaa football, there has always been debates about the ‘true’ national champions. It’s time to come up with better answers than the ones that we’ve settled for…. I don’t see how anything other than a playoff system can be of value regarding the ‘true’ national championship. Braves Fan 79, well spoken! Miles, it is too much to ask.

Meat

July 8th, 2009
3:28 am

Get rid of all sports and we won’t have anything to argue about here.

Meat

July 8th, 2009
3:34 am

I heard that during the muggings at Tech, the theives took the wallets but left each victim 200 Tech football tickets and a diploma.

Is that the Bobby Dodd Stadium North Stands Men’s Room leaning downhill or is the football field leaning uphill?

The Dude

July 8th, 2009
4:19 am

Your article follows the same argumental style that whites in power used back in the days when arguing that it already was a great achievement to let blacks ride inte the bus, but they by no means should expect equal sitting rights as white have. Du bist ‘n riesen Arschloch!

URanIdiotHonk

July 8th, 2009
6:13 am

Answer this if the BCS is truly looking for a champion and not just to line their pockets: WHY DOES EVERY OTHER SPORT PRO AND COLLEGE HAVE A PLAYOFF SYSTEM???…Let’s just have the Dodgers and Red Sox play the World Series now…OR Next season the Lakers and Cavs or NO NCAA basketball tourney just have Kentucky and UCLA, no NFL playoffs….Giants and Pats look good…How idiotic would that be?

JSS

July 8th, 2009
6:58 am

This will be my first, last, and ONLY time that I’ll ever comment on the farce that is Division-1 football (coughing)… The BCS is a cartel For those of you who don’t know what that means look up the definition and the resulting actions of such an association. Hatch is right about one thing, it is so afar of any part of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that it is only a matter of time before it implodes!
FACT:
The problem is not that teams like Utah did not support from a flawed calculating system or the pieces used within it. The problem is that weighting of that system is inherently biased. The fact that Alabama was even in the mix shows just as much.

FACT:
“Equity Conferences?” One of the five pieces of what defines “equity” is a concept called “fairness of law.” This cartel bears none. An “equity” is also an asset minus a liability. Barnhart routinely continues to treat the rest of the non-BCS and the other members of the NCAA as a liability. The BCS schools choose to be a cash cow, that is what cartels do! Stop complaining about supporting your framework when it is the thing that you created…. They (the BCS schools) wanted this form of athletic “apartheid,” now live with facts of being a master and not the slave…

FACT:
Until the BCS schools join the reality of the rest of college sports, it leaves itself as a cartel which has existed at the favor of the National legislative body: Congress. The same goes for Major League Baseball. The NFL and NBA have always seen the folly in this, that is they have never tried to get a anti-trust exemption. Now you tell me which are more profitable in terms of equity? It is not even a contest…. Time to give up the “plantation system.”

Highlander Prof

July 8th, 2009
7:53 am

Your statement “In the interest of creating a memorable sound bite or quote, the critics show an incredible amount of intellectual dishonesty, or total lack of knowledge,” shows why our federal government is in the process of failing. This statement applies to everything they do.

But back to football… I was a playoff kind of guy for years. I think I’m in with the people who want to go back to bowl games without the BCS. The season has become too long…

Bubba

July 8th, 2009
8:01 am

The problem with a 4- or 8-team playoff is that it would remain at 4 or 8 teams for about 3 years before the media and all the whiners began complaining that the field needs to be expanded. They’d go to 16, then that wouldn’t be good enough, and then it’d be just like college basketball, where the regular season is all but meaningless. Basketball has 64 teams, for God’s sake, and still you have the Vitales and others whining about some team that got left out. The unpopular truth is this: The BCS is the best system college football has ever had and it produces more consistently a deserving national championship than a playoff does. The NBA has a playoff, and two years ago the Hawks made it in at seven games under .500 while teams with winning records sat at home. What a great system that is!

greg

July 8th, 2009
8:16 am

I watch almost no bowl games because of the BCS system. Simply terrible system. They are all just exibition games.

Denver Dog

July 8th, 2009
8:21 am

Any time the word trust and politicians are linked together, we should all be putting our hands upon our wallet, wearing garlic around our neck, and carry a cane with a silver handle

[...] Tony Barnhart of the AJC reports that it’s time to be honest about the BCS. [...]

Peter

July 8th, 2009
8:30 am

Tony your argument stinks…….

Frankly we have yet to have a real champion in college football……..When a team can go through a playoff system and win then they will be the champs.

Funny all the other divisions in college football have a playoff, and so all I can say it is all about money and posturing period.

How many times has a great team in the regular season lost in the NFL playoffs ?

How many times has a Wild card team won the Super Bowl ? Many !

So no matter what you say, without a playoff system, we will NEVER know who the true champion is !

hey cltdog

July 8th, 2009
8:35 am

tony mentioned a trend wrt the politicing. you correctly mention politics but you need to go one step further…..

both guys who wanted a hearing were…. ta da boom REBUPLICANS.

teaparties, sucksession, is obama a citizen, having affairs with latin women by the same hypocrite that insisted clinton resign, investigating the bcs bowls, trying to keep al franken from his seat in congress, having a total hands off approach to the countries woes, quiting their govenorship when the heat is on, refusing to take stimulus money unless its for sprucing up the govenors digs, keeping the banks and stock brokers from having to answer to congress, maintaining the status quo for the drug companies and insurance companies wrt health care……

these are all currently on the REPUBLICAN ajenda. hint!

THE DO NOTHING PARTY!

a party currently led by sarah point guard palin, rush oxicontin limbaugh and of course that political giant… joe the plumber. ouch!

The Grinch

July 8th, 2009
9:29 am

To hey cltdog

So how’s all that “hope and change” working out for you? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

GT fan ...

July 8th, 2009
10:12 am

Tony’s quotes:
“But 175 people voted in the Harris Interactive and coaches polls, two of the three components in the BCS formula.”

“The fact is that while Utah deserved to win because the Utes flat outplayed the Crimson Tide (who didn’t want to be there),”

There’s the problem with D-1 football, and determining a TRUE Champion ….. it’s NOT decided on the field!
175 PEOPLE (and their opinions) decided who would play in the NC game. But when Utah took it to the field TB and so many others make excuses for Alabama – “they didn’t want to be there”. Well, they were there, and if they were sooo much better than Utah then “not wanting to be there” wouldn’t have made a difference.

As long as PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WEARING THE UNI are choosing who plays for the NC instead of the players themselves, the NC of D-1 football will be flawed.

I can only imagine who these “voters” would have put in the Super Bowl last year (arguably the greatest ever) had the teams not played it out on the field. I don’t think to many “experts” picked the Cardinals to even get past the Falcons.

Hal

July 8th, 2009
11:52 am

lotsa idiots in here today. Go back and read what Tony wrote before you blast him saying NCAA Football is the only one without a true champion and TB’s an idiot for defending the BCS. NOT WHAT HE SAID STUPIDS!!!!!! He said the congressman from Utah was stupid (paraphrasing) and barking up the wrong tree. He said Utah wasn’t “wronged” or denied anything when in fact THEIR OWN COACH VOTED THEM 5th!!! Guess what idiots, 5th don’t get you in the big dance, only 1st and 2nd do. He agrees that there is an argument for a playoff, just not on the basis that anti-trust laws are being broken because Utah wasn’t in the NC game… read the article goofballs!!!

Natureboy809

July 8th, 2009
12:34 pm

I haven’t read everyone’s comments so this may have already have been mentioned: The BCS does suck, but you guys have to remember what it is- it is college football’s attempt to come up with the best system possible without a playoff. The presidents won’t go for a playoff (and Big 10 commissioner Jim Delaney is the biggest obstacle), so the BCS has to do the best it can without a playoff. It is much better than the old bowl system.

Jack

July 8th, 2009
2:15 pm

BYU won a national championship without the BCS. Since the BCS, undefeated Boise State and Utah (twice) have been left out of the national championship discussion b/c they didn’t get invited into the so-called Championship game. BYU/Utah/Boise St. type teams have no shot at a natinoal title now. How again are the non-BCS conference teams better off?

Jack

July 8th, 2009
2:25 pm

Bubba said:The BCS . . . produces more consistently a deserving national championship than a playoff does. The NBA has a playoff, and two years ago the Hawks made it in at seven games under .500 while teams with winning records sat at home. What a great system that is!

Bubba, that was plain dumb. There are always a few top football teams able to beat each other. One year we had 3 undefeated teams, so Auburn got pushed out. Another year, a 2 loss team (losing to unranked Ark and barely ranked UK) gets invited over a host of 1 loss teams. Undefeated teams get pushed out by 1 loss teams several times in last few years. That is not a better system than a playoff.

The NBA playoff system argument is equally stupid. Hawks made playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference and lost in Round 1 as expected. The “winning record teams” sitting at home were in the Western division where more than 8 teams had winning records. That was a product of “division” play where one division was much stronger than the other. The weaker east still had the best team however – the Celts won it all. The playoffs worked.

Jack

July 8th, 2009
2:32 pm

This is why the anti-playoff people are full of it. It used to be teams played 10 or 11 games, then a bowl game if they were good enough. People said we can’t do a playoff b/c it would increase the number of games, and Div 1 FB players can’t handle that type of schedule physically and still be “students.” Now, we play 12 games, and the top teams play a conference championship then a bowl game. So we used to play 10 games, but could not add a 3 (8 teams) or 4 (16 teams) playoff on that b/c the season would be too long 13-15 games for the top 2 teams only depending on # in playoffs). So instead, we have a system where the Nat Champ plus a host of other schools play 14 games most years.

Funny, but if we went back to 10 games, played a conference champ game, then had a 8 team playoff (or 11, conf champ, and 4 team playoff), only the top 2 teams would still only play 14 games.

Hal

July 8th, 2009
4:08 pm

listen guys there are plenty ways to implement a playoff. Several different versions what would all be fairly reasonable in determining a “true” champion if that’s what you want to call it. But let’s not be stupid about this thing either.

Any man who’s a college football fan and watches any amount of NCAA Div 1 ball is NOT stupid enough to say that Utah, Boise State or any other “pick your fad team” can compete with the elite of Division 1. The real problem is, Utah, Boise and others shouldn’t be in D1. Look Utah is a darn good team and yes they played over their heads and beat Bama but please please please don’t fool yourselves and surely don’t think I’m foolish enough to think they could have ran an SEC schedule with more than 6 wins, not a chance. Frankly, ‘Bama let us down. Look at UGA v/s the Boise States and Hawaii’s of the world. World beaters, folks even said Boise was gonna come to Athens and teach the DAWGS something. They left with a 30 point beatdown as did Hawaii.

It is in now way a dis to their respective programs, but they absolutely are not capable to compete on an SEC er National Championship stage day in and day out. A blind squirrel will certainly stumble across an acorn once in a while. Remember a few years ago in the NFL a winless Miami beat the 1 loss Patriots in I believe the final game of the season. The Pats went on to win the Super Bowl if I’m not mistaken (don’t really follow the NFL), so applying the “we beat them in one game on one day” logic… was Miami DENIED a chance at the Super Bowl?

There are fewer then 10 teams right now, with NC caliber teams top to bottom, and Utah or BS are not on that list… period.

Scott

July 8th, 2009
4:50 pm

3 points:
Div 1-A football is the only NCAA sport without a playoff. Div 1-A football has, by far, the most exciting and critical regular season of any NCAA sport. The two are not mutually exclusive.

If Utah State wants to play for the BCS Championship, play a championship schedule. Play and beat Bama, USC, Texas or other big boys in the regular season along with your conf wins and you will find yourself playing for #1!

Div 1-A football already has playoffs – they start Labor Day weekend.

Hal

July 8th, 2009
5:01 pm

Scott… you are exactly right. Not sure if you’re a Bulldog or what but I can’t imagine sitting in the stands at the UGA/UF game and there really being little or no consequence. Would my heart be in my chest all day? Doubt it. Would I have been near tears when ‘Bama beat us last year, nope we’d still have had a chance.

Ponder this guys if you will. D1 college football is indeed the only one without a playoff. It has by far the most relevant regular season and is by 100 miles the ONE sport that we all stay enamored with 365 days a year. Would we really prefer it be more like NCAA basketball where no one cares until March and no one cares in April? Not me, I’ll take it like I got it thanks!

Jerry

July 8th, 2009
5:16 pm

Why don’t the non BCS conferences do like high school sports. You can call the BCS schools Five A and call the non BCS schools Four A. They
can each have their national championship game. The BCS schools have the bowls and the money, BUT with schools like Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, and other up and coming schools you have some attractive teams and with a playoff format you could really create some excitment and the TV networks would come around. Marketing could schedule the games in large markets as the smaller schools are in or near a lot of major markets. Go after the Cotton Bowl in the Cowboys new stadium for the championship game. The Four A guys could have some better match ups for their games than the big boys and the TV people would come around.
The little guys would not generate the revenue the big guys produce but
it could be more money than they currently get from the scraps that fall off the BCS table.

aj arizona

July 8th, 2009
5:35 pm

The argument is not over a playoff, the BCS bowls etc. This is Roy Kramers long established red herring. It absolutey does violate anti-trurst laws. 5 conferences share 18 million. 54 teams or so. While 6 conferences are guaranteed 18 million “per conference”, 120 million every year. That means a BYU, Utah, TCU compete and share 9 million with 56 other teams, while the Dukes, Vanderbilts, Baylors, Rutgers, UConn (Div. 2 just 5 yeas ago) Iowa St. Northwestern, Wash. State’s etc. are guaranteed betweeen 2 and 4 million every year regardless of their records. This is indeed collusion and violation of anti-trust laws. You just try to set up a cartel like this in the business world and people are going to prison. Once just one school gets fed up enough to put this in the courts this will be shot down. The old system was better, yes conferences had tie ins but the market determined who wopuld play as at large teams. The BCS controls college football from top to bottom including all of the bowls with congerence tie ins. This has created a caste system in College Football, not based on merit, Duke, Baylor etc. but on Conference affiliation. It’s about the money stupid. Playoff no playoff it does not matter, This is not the issue. It’s about collusion, exclusion and illegal contracts. The market does not dictate here, the cartel does. Don’t sit there any of you with a straight face and tell us that a 1-11 Duke or a 3-8 Baylor is entitled to 2-4 million every year and a number 7 ranked TCU and a #4 Utah get squat. Bring on the lawyers and throw the crooks in jail.

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im4UGA

July 9th, 2009
11:22 am

For the tech geek who think he’s got a cute online name, “do you want fries”, etc. answer me this? How is it that UGA has 15,000 folks who are in a financial postition to shell out thousands each season for the opportunity to spend hundreds more on season tickets? Tech fans on the other hand obviously can’t afford to buy a single game ticket, even when given free hotdogs and cokes for your dinner. That’s what’s laughable. It doesn’t sound like it’s the UGA folks working at Micky D’s does it? Explain that one Tech Geek!

Hal

July 9th, 2009
2:45 pm

its a few more than 15,000 folks paying the GEEF bro, closer to 100,000…. several thousand get their money back each year once the allotment is out

omnicarrier

July 9th, 2009
10:56 pm

I think they will gradually get to an 8-team playoff, but I think the Plus One will precede it.

I’m just hoping they settle on a Plus One that takes the Top 4 Conference Champions (regardless of conference) or ND if the Irish should finish ahead of 8 or more conference champions. I think they could justify it on the basis that if you can’t win your own conference, you shouldn’t be playing for an NC.

Looking back over the past 8 years this is how it would have shaken out in terms of this Final Four for Football:

SEC Champ – 7 times
Pac-10 Champ – 7 times
Big 12 Champ – 6 times
Big Ten Champ – 5 times
BE Champ – 3 times (Miami twice and Louisville)
MW Champ – 2 times (Utah both times)
ACC Champ – once (VT)
ND – once

Scott

July 14th, 2009
1:00 am

Since the BCS is so good, let’s take their computer rankings and selection committees to eliminate playoffs in high school football, NFL, MLB, NBA and Little League baseball. Everyone knows (BCS lovers tell us) that playoffs are detrimental to academic performance and are too grueling for college athletes. Imagine what negative impact playoffs have on the well being of high school and elementary students. Clever businessmen, eager for money, could use pro teams to stage postseason exhibition games in an effort to draw visitors to warm weather cities. BCS lovers should lobby Congress to pass anti-playoff legislation.

Scott Weeks

July 18th, 2009
7:57 pm

The Big Ten and Notre Dame will never allow a playoff format because the chances of either playing in a playoff championship game would be slim to none.

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