Does the Prez even UNDERSTAND the BCS?

 

Once again it is Fearless Friday, Memorial Day Edition. This is where you are free to sound off on any topic, even if it’s non football related.

On a programming note: We’re going to take a break for the holiday weekend and will rejoin you on Tuesday for the annual SEC Meetings in Destin. Given some of the stuff that has happened among the league’s football coaches since national signing day, that first coaches meeting should be a lot of fun.

 

Until then, here are five burning questions to ponder. Feel free to talk among yourselves:

Does President Obama even UNDERSTAND the BCS? The new president is a pretty smart man but Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany recently told USA Today: “He’s a scholar and a lawyer and a great politician. But I don’t think he understands the complexity of the issue.”

  

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2009-05-20-jim-delany-obama-bcs_N.htm

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, it gets better.

“It’s very hard to be disagreeable with a popular president, that’s my first thought. The reality is that he has a pulpit and people listen. I think his strength is probably basketball brackets.”

What does this mean? It’s simple. For the longest time the conference commissioners who make up the BCS have simply been on defense. They were convinced—and still are—that the law is on their side.

But we are in a totally different political climate now where having the law on your side may not be enough. So this is another example of the BCS starting to go on offense. Stay tuned.

 

Does the transfer rule need to be changed?  Former Miami quarterback Robert Marve has announced that he will transfer to Purdue instead of Tennessee. Marve started 11 of 13 games last season for Miami but left the program. One of the factors that pushed Marve to Purdue was that if he attended Tennessee he would have to pay his own way for the 2009-2010 academic year. Why? It’s because Miami would not release him from his scholarship to play for any ACC or SEC team.  And if a school doesn’t officially release a player, he cannot receive an athletic scholarship from another Division I-A school for a year.

 That rule needs to be changed. I still believe that players transferring from one Division I-A school to another should have to sit out a year. But if the kid is willing to sit out a year, I don’t believe his old school should be able to restrict where he transfers. The scholarship contract is already one-sided enough in favor of the school.

What do you think?

 

Are coaches are going to have to take furloughs, too? Here’s a good piece of reporting by Glenn Guilbeau of the Gannett News Service about how universities, like a lot of businesses, are dealing with tough economic times by asking employees to take furloughs of one or two weeks. Arizona State, Clemson, Maryland and Utah are among the schools that have already implemented furloughs. Others will surely follow.

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20090518/SPORTS/90517019/1006

There may be some debate about what coaches will be required to do if their university implements furloughs. But if they are smart the coaches won’t say a word and will “donate” a week’s salary to the cause. Politically, you can’t have the academic side struggling to survive and have the athletic side not pitching in to do its part.

 LSU’s Les Miles, for example, makes $3.751 million per season as the head football coach. But it is logical that he would have to donate only from this base pay of $300,000, which is the only part paid by the university. The rest comes from other sources.

 

Does Lane Kiffin deserve a break on the Twitter NCAA violation? Yes. Like all of the football coaches who now have Twitter accounts, Kiffin has somebody to do the actual Tweeting for him.  An employee on his first day posted a reference to J.C. Copeland, a defensive end from LaGrange who had just verbally committed to sign with Tennessee next February. That’s a no-no by NCAA rules. You can’t mention recruits by name until they sign on the dotted line. Tennessee self-reported the minor violation, its fourth since Kiffin came on board as head coach.

Expect more of this kind of stuff until coaches become more comfortable with the technology and get the staff up to speed on the complex recruiting rules. I am not ruling out the possibility that the NCAA will eventually put a ban on coaches Tweeting just like they did with text messaging. Like most things that are done for recruiting, this one has the potential to get out of hand.

 

Will Kentucky will win the SEC—in men’s basketball?  I know this a football blog but last week I was in Lexington, Ky., on business and I’ve got to tell you—that place is up for grabs. The excitement level was off the charts about the arrival of John Calipari as head basketball coach. Well, it looks like that $4 million a year is already paying off. Now Calipari has added the No. 1 point guard in America, John Wall of Raleigh, to what was already one of the nation’s top recruiting classes. That just shows you the biggest difference between football and basketball. A dynamic coach can sign one big-time recruiting class and totally transform the program. The downside to that is all of those guys could leave after one year.

 

Enjoy your holiday, folks. Please be careful. We’ll talk to you next Tuesday from Destin.

 

 

169 comments Add your comment

Steve

May 22nd, 2009
8:40 am

Tony, the key point about Marve is that his father and his high school coach was talking to other schools while he was still under scholarship with Miami. This is the reason why Shannon would not let him transfer to an SEC school. Marve claimed that his father had cancer and wanted to be closer to home. If that is the case why did he not go to UCF or USF? The bottom line is Marve was a brat at Plant HS, and Miami would not put up with his immaturely. I hope he grows up at Purdue, and get his grades in order, but I have my doubts.

Lane "Shirt-Rippin" Kiffin

May 22nd, 2009
8:44 am

My latest signee, Titus “Hubcaps” Hudson just ran a 4.3 40, and that was with an ankle bracelet.

Call 'em like I see 'em.

May 22nd, 2009
8:50 am

Scholarship/transfer rules should be relaxed in cases where a head coach is replaced.

Delaney said pretty much the same thing you did a month or so ago – Football coaches don’t (usually) presume to know much about creating laws, why should those writing the laws expect that they would understand the football landscape? If Obama/Congress want to devote a good chunk of their time to looking into the BCS, that’s fine – but I doubt anyone in DC will have the time needed to look at all the aspects of the issue.

Whyso

May 22nd, 2009
8:55 am

Hearing there will be NCAA news coming from Alabama today about violations. Any truth to this Tony?

Max Sizemore

May 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

“Shirt-Rippin,” that’s a good one.

Mikey

May 22nd, 2009
8:58 am

The Obama administration should have more pressing issues to worry about than college football. If they don’t, folks we are in more trouble than suspected.

GeoffDawg

May 22nd, 2009
8:59 am

As much as I might be offended by the BCS results, it’s a very scary time when you can’t depend on the rule of law. A president that can initimidate preferred stockholders into taking far less than what they’re entitled, can replace the CEO of a major corporation at his whim, and who can “spread the wealth around”, has no business encroaching on the BCS. He doesn’t even have a strong grasp on matters pertinent to his job performance like the economy or national security. Why he thinks his time is better served trying to get up to speed on BCS politics is beyond me.

CharlotteGator

May 22nd, 2009
9:04 am

Sorry, but I can’t give any credence to anything out of Delany’s mouth. This is the same guy that said the only reason the SEC is faster/better than the Big Ten is because of lax admission standards in the SEC. Guy is an idiot and has no idea what he’s talking about. Maybe he should focus on counting the actual amount of teams in his conference, attempting to field one team that can compete w/ the country’s elite, or maybe even sitting down and shutting up.

AtlantaCane

May 22nd, 2009
9:07 am

Tony: Marve was restricted from transferring to FLorida, LSU and Tennessee only. The other 9 SEC programs were in the clear. The Hurricane coaching staff placed UF, LSU and UT off limits because they felt there had been tampering (read: discussions) during the ‘08 season involving some combination between Marve, and/or his former HS coach and/or those three schools. The fact UM said no to other ACC schools is a policy other schools have followed in the past. Originally, UCF and USF were also on the list and that’s because UM has them on their schedule. But after Marve’s father told the media he was quite sick and needed his son to play near their Tampa home Miami released those two schools. Even so, the Marve camp still complained (my guess is they wanted UF). So what happens? Marve ends up going to Purdue which is some 1,000 miles from Tampa with Tennessee, about 700 miles away finishes second. I hope the best for the young man, but you won’t find many UM fans, if any, who are upset that he’s gone. The right guy (Jacory Harris) stayed behind and we’ll be better for it sooner than later. Thank you. Go Canes!

AUtiger

May 22nd, 2009
9:08 am

I cannot wait for the NCAA to make it’s announcement about Alabama. I heard it could happen any day now, if it happens today that would really make for a great memorial day weekend.

GATAEagle

May 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

It’s long past time the BCS took their own actions to balance this out with a playoff system, if it takes Obama pressuring them with this talk about wasting Congress’ time about it, then I support him. If Obama and Congress actually have to act then both groups are more idiotic and irresponsible than I had previously given them credit (and that’s a big leap).

GeoffDawg

May 22nd, 2009
9:18 am

I honestly don’t want to get involved in a political debate here today and would rather focus on football. One thing that needs to be said though and if it offends some, so be it. It is not the president’s job to micro-manage the country. We have the legislative branch to pass laws and the judicial branch to interpret those laws. That’s why we have separation of power in government for those checks and balances. I don’t want a president that can swoop in and just change something at his leisure just because it’s politically unpopular at the time. We used to be governed by a king and that didn’t work out so well.

Tony Barnhart

May 22nd, 2009
9:24 am

AtlantaCane,

Thanks for the clarification on Marve. I still think the rule should be changed.

Been hearing for a month that Alabama is going to hear something else from the NCAA. But I haven’t heard it from somebody who really knows.

CRIMSON RULES

May 22nd, 2009
9:31 am

HEY autigger tell us MORE! Inquiring mind’s want to know !! I LOATHE BARNNER LOGIC& need a good laugh!!

SEC fan

May 22nd, 2009
9:32 am

Tony,
UT just had their strength coach quit. He was on board 6 months and his salary was $190K. That is now 11 full scholarship players and a newly hired and well paid coach. Seems there is something much bigger than Twitter Gate and shirt ripping going on at UT. The coach worked for Spurrier before UT so he was use to working for a demanding personality. Why all these guys leaving? At what point will the media start asking questions about the exodus? 6 months – 11 players, 1 newly hired coach – something really strange here!

bigdawg01

May 22nd, 2009
9:32 am

AUtiger:
You better hope for more than the NCAA. It is not looking good for Auburn for the foreseeable future. You should also hope for T-town falling into a big sink hole, or perhaps a freak lightning storm that hits Saban in the face??? Too harsh, i was just thinking like i was an AU fan.

Happy Memorial Day to all, have a safe weekend!

PMC

May 22nd, 2009
9:35 am

The President has been making up the law as he goes since he’s been in office. I suggest the commissioners watch thier tone or they will have thier own government oversite to deal with.

Bamafan

May 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

All the kitty cat fans don’t worry about the crimson tide slap on the wrist with the NCAA. The real problem is how is the cow college going to stop Saban and the crimson tide in the recruiting wars!!
Your tiger prowl ride around the state is not working and I think that Saban and company will make
Auburns limo stunt look really silly!! Everybody have a great weekend including the kitty cat fans!!
GO BAMA ROLL TIDES!!

NCAA Official

May 22nd, 2009
9:46 am

U.S. Presidents should not be messing with us. The only good news about the Obama comments regarding the BCS is that at least we now have a President that can spell both BCS and NCAA.

quaildawg

May 22nd, 2009
9:47 am

Why asked Obama? Who you really should be asking is the Teleprompter!!!
Obama just doesn’t seem to be the football type. Soccor version maybe but FOOTBALL nope.

Max Sizemore

May 22nd, 2009
9:48 am

I heard Monte Kiffin speak at the Orlando Nike Coach of the Year clinic on March 1, and he is a nutcase. Very enthusiastic, and he must be a great coach (Tampa two coverage), but still a little nuts. I’m not surprised his son is a chip off the old pistaccio.

Corrine Brown (D) FL

May 22nd, 2009
9:52 am

I be back, Baby.

Sure been busy wit all dis governmentalism. Who be the NCAA? Do they know Corch Meyers?

It is CLEAR, that the Gator is superior. Corch Meyers, and Percy Harvey: I hopes you have a nice labor day!

GO GATOR!

Bravedawg

May 22nd, 2009
9:52 am

TONY,

The coaches are safe from imposed furloughs because they are on contract. However, I do agree with your sentiment that they should volunteer that money to go back to the school. Additionally, I think your distinction between “base salary” and “total salary” is important. I don’t think many people realize that the numbers you hear on the news (2.8 mill/year, 3.5 mill/year, etc) are not the base salary for these coaches. Of course, their base salaries are still exorbitant, but not quite as much as most would think.

TIM BROWN

May 22nd, 2009
9:55 am

Does anyone really understand the BCS?

AUtiger

May 22nd, 2009
9:58 am

Bammers, the SEC is a tough football conference. It makes it even harder when your competing with crooked programs like Alabama. It’s about time you go back on probation, you’ve only been off it for a few years now.

David Basham

May 22nd, 2009
10:00 am

Jim Delaney and the Big Ten might be “going on the offense,” but they’re going to find out, sooner rather than later, that the worst thing you can do to a highly-educated person such as the President is to claim that the issue is “too complex” for them to understand.

It’s really not. Well over half the bowl games are meaningless competitions. Yes, they energize the fan base, give the respective programs a few extra weeks of practice and can serve as a launching pad to the next season — but all of that would still be the same if there were a 4 or 8-team playoff.

Also, let’s be clear: It’s not just the President who is asking for a playoff, but Congress as well. It’s going to happen, it’s just a matter of when. Perhaps Delaney should focus on un-screwing up the Big Ten’s shortened schedule that has the conference out of sight and out of mind during the first week of December.

Finally, to merge two of your topics: Does Lane Kiffin even understand Twitter? ‘Cause he sure doesn’t seem to understand NCAA rules, and this is just the stuff that is getting ink in the press. Makes me curious as to the other shady stuff he’s likely already involved in that hasn’t seeped to the surface yet.

AUtiger

May 22nd, 2009
10:06 am

I don’t know the difference between your & you’re, but I know Bama be crooked!

dgroy

May 22nd, 2009
10:08 am

OK, I’m gonna add my two cents worth about a 1-A Football Playoff. I’m old and I’ve been a college football fan for many, many years but, I’ts gotten too big folks…..green is great but greed is awful and that’s what college football has become…..extremely greedy….and that’s the only reason that a playoff hasn’t happened yet. I know some of you are gonna blast me, so go ahead.

TommyP

May 22nd, 2009
10:11 am

Tony: PLEASE post a blog pertaining to what happens when all of these “minor violations” accumulate. What does the NCAA do?

Nobody knows. And honestly….between you and Dick Vitale, I don’t know whom protects their respective sport at the expense of responsible journalism.

spider

May 22nd, 2009
10:11 am

we do not elect and pay for those people to go to washington dc too waste time and OUR money too worry about sports..its make me sick everytime i hear about a congressman worrying about a BCS problem or a pro athlete on steroids..they need too worry about how to bail out what used to be middle class people who now poor people

wisdom

May 22nd, 2009
10:14 am

obama is a damn fool….impeach him…what the hell does know about anything much less football.

Tech Fan Since 1950

May 22nd, 2009
10:14 am

Tony, the law is on their side? When will you and the elite commissioners ever learn that the BCS is a complete fraud. The NCAA is the legitimate governing body for college sports. Why then is there not a BCS for basketball, baseball, softball, tennis, golf,volleyball, etc. (you get the picture?)? President Obama deserves great praise for advocating a national play-off system. It is about time “MR. COLLEGE FOOTBALL” got onboard too! One gets the impression that President Obama knows more about college athletics than some of the athletic directors and writers that cover the sports.

JayD

May 22nd, 2009
10:15 am

The president might just be a fan – Don’t you all have jobs? Can’t you work in any industry or field, and have an opinion on CFB? Also, the NCAA is NOT made up of former coaches, players, or people connected to sports om any way shape or form. They don’t have any special knowlege about football that the rest of us don’t have – Doesn’t take a genius or a president to figure out that going undefeated and having no chance to at least compete for a championship is unfair – Even to a HUGE UGA/SEC fan!

spider

May 22nd, 2009
10:16 am

i totally agree with you dgroy, i am old too and have been a huge college sports fan all my life, i dont like the idea of a playoff or the BCS, but i realize im in the minority, thats why i go to GA TECH games and SDSU aztecs games, i’ll never have to worry about either of their football teams being involved in this mess

AltamahaDawg

May 22nd, 2009
10:21 am

Jim Delaney or Barack Obama. Yea, some options we got there!

Huh?

May 22nd, 2009
10:24 am

Does the President understand the BCS? The fact that this question even has to be asked proves what an absolutely laughable system we have. This is freaking football for God’s sake, not the Taliban-Pakistan conflict. Why do we have a system that not even the President of the United States can understand? Tony, do you not see the insanity of this? What a joke.

Coach O

May 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

Huh?

What time is that Taliban-Pakistan kickoff? I might have to keep my shirt on if I go to that game.

John McCain

May 22nd, 2009
10:32 am

Wisdom,
Obama is a vast improvement over the illiterate he replaced. You need to change your post name to IDIOT.

Steve

May 22nd, 2009
10:33 am

Tony:

Did I not say the same thing as Atlantacane said? Thank for reading.

P.S.:

I am surprised you did not say anything about ESPNU coming to Comcast. It’s about time..

Miles

May 22nd, 2009
10:34 am

Mr. Barnhart, your thoughts regarding the Marve situation are absolutely true. Rather than furloughs, maybe schools can raise money for their programs in the way the UNLV just did, i.e., scheduling a butt kicking at Morgantown, WV in 2010 for $750,000! As it relates to the BCS, Obama is pressing for the same thing all honest college football fans want: FAIRNESS!

Got 12?

May 22nd, 2009
10:34 am

The NCAA has not made an announcement regarding BAMA but ESPN has:

The game against Virginia Tech will air on ABC at 8PM on September 5. Accordingly, Atlanta will probably host College GameDay.

Eric

May 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

Hey pigdawg, I think things are looking up for Auburn. We’ll see. As for our new president, I’m convinced that he understands most things much better than most people. And I know for a fact that he understands everything much better than the moron who just spent eight years trying to destroy the country. I doubt Bush could even spell BCS.
WDE!!!

Tide rising

May 22nd, 2009
10:40 am

AUtiger,

Give it a rest dude. If Bama gets hit with anything at all it will be 2-4 scholarships lost over 2 years and a year of probation. The only thing that will actually hurt will be being back in the 5 year window.

As for the institution itself or rogue boosters cheating you should learn the facts of the case. All that happened is that several athletes figured out how to game the textbook distribution system so that they could get some free textbooks to help out friends or girlfriends. That’s it. No money changed hands, no competitive advantage was gained, its not as if the school itself was cheating. The school discovered the problem, self reported immediately, punished the athletes involved and the bookstore manager who wasn’t minding the store so to speak.

BTW, the ole people in glasses houses throwing stones definitely applies to you. Auburn along with one another sec school I won’t mention is tied for 3rd most major NCAA infractions cases with 6. Alabama has had 2 but we just remember both of them because they both happened in the 90s and the actual punishment for the second case was handed down in 2002.

Normally from past history athletes gaming the textbook distribution system is a 2ndary violation so I wouldn’t get my hopes up to much if I were you. You should spend more time worrying about Auburn rebuilding its program than hoping Bama gets probation. Its pathetic that you more elated about Bama having issues with the ncaa than about anything Auburn has going on.

DirtyDawg

May 22nd, 2009
10:50 am

Where do I start…how about with the last one…dgroy: Of course college football is driven by greed (aka, money-making machine). What isn’t? After all, it’s The American Way. I still say that any playoff system that dramatically alters the bowl structure, and the dozens of communities that have come to rely on both the timing and the existence of a football game for the success of their local festivals/tourism promotion, isn’t worth the aggravation. So you end up with one or two schools claiming that they could have ‘gone all the way’ if they had been given a shot at it? If you do away with the bowls as we know them, then 25 or so teams, and their fans, don’t go home happy, with coaches keeping jobs and athletic departments getting season-ticket renewals. I say, at most, you add a ‘plus-one’ game or leave it alone.

So Lane Kiffin should be given a ‘break’ for ‘tweet-gate’? Why the hell not? After all, in keeping with his ‘hard-nosed’ approach as outlined in the SI article of some months ago, the ‘assistant’ that actually ‘twittered the tweet’ has undoubtedly been fired by now (I mean he fired the guy responsible for seeing to it that he had a limo waiting for him at the Knoxville airport but was 30 minutes late picking him up – man what an inconvenience – ruin the guy’s life so I can send a message that I’m a hardass so you better measure up)…so this guy’s got to be toast.

Combining the comment about kids being restricted as to what schools they can transfer to…or if they have to sit out a year…or how to deal with those that ‘commit’ for some time in the future like the one UT has been ‘tweeting their T’ about, just what will Mr. Kiffin say to, or about, this kid when he sees Tennessee imploding next fall and decides that, just maybe, he let this hair-brained, big-talking, hot-shot, hot-box him into a pre-mature decision? And while I’m on it, Mr. Hewitt at Tech has thanked Georgia for the gift of the recruit that the new Georgia coach, and the school, made to Tech by, I assume, not restricting where the kid could go once he decided that he’d rather be at Tech (and paying his own way) and playing for one losing coach instead of that other one that just got fired at Georgia Am I to assume that Hewitt, and Tech, wouldn’t have been so generous if the shoe had been on the other foot? I mean the last ‘gift’ Tech made to UGA was Reggie Ball and/or Chan Gailey, which I doubt they’re willing to repeat. Of course, if would also mean that Hewitt would no longer be there so I suppose the question is superfluous.

That ought to be enough to get us through to Tuesday.

PTC Jacket

May 22nd, 2009
10:50 am

First, Obama demands for a college playoff. Second, he demands for gas mileage and emission standards change, which completely changes what kind of cars we’ll be driving a few years from now. When exactly do we start calling America a socialist country? After the health system reform?
All of this sickens me. I don’t understand why people are praising Obama like he’s the second coming.

DirtyDawg

May 22nd, 2009
10:55 am

Hey ‘wisdom’…change your nom de plume. We’ve got enough laughable frauds around here as it is…not me of course.

Politics to the right of Attila the Hun

May 22nd, 2009
11:00 am

Eric,

You be right. Obama is da man. Overall, he took the deficit that Bush left us and did such a good job that he was able to quadruple the deficit in 90 days and add another 10 trillion to the debt. That makes him be 4 times as good as Bush at piling debt onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.

But don’t you worry. All he got to do is be going to the Chinese and bow down to them the way he bowed down to some 2 bit Arab oil sheik and beg them to buy more of our debt. You would think the Chinese would love making interest off our debt. The interest alone on the debt now stands at 830 billion per year. It almost be a trillion dollars a year. Thank you Mr. Obama.

Also, if Obama stand there and let banana republic dictators like Daniel Ortega and Hugo Chavez give the US a verbal beatdown for 45 minutes in front of the whole world then maybe Obama can meekly get them to buy more of our mountainous debt.

Maybe the French president Sarkozy who remarked about Obama inexperience and lack of knowledge can also buy mo of our debt. Maybe the other European leaders who also snickered about Obama incompetence can also buy more of our debt.

Obama also really good at blaming Bush for everything and diverting attention to the deepening crisis rather than being a man and accepting the obvious fact that his economic policies are simply making things worse. But he be good at blaming Bush. He do that better than anybody.

And another thing. Dis man rules with a teleprompter. Had you ever seen a man give such pretty speeches. Show me one man that do better with a teleprompter. Dat right! Nobody better with a teleprompter than Obama. Bush sucks with a teleprompter. Oh, wait a minute. He didn’t use one. Dat right dere prove how dumb Bush be. I hope Obama can fix the bcs the way he fix the debt. I’ll take his pretty speeches and emotional rhetoric over substance any day.

Chris

May 22nd, 2009
11:05 am

While the BCS has in theory brought us a #1 v #2 championship game, it’s rendered the other major bowls meaningless exhibitions. I know it’s ludicrous, but if we can’t have a real playoff, going back to the way it was would at least make the other four matchups compelling again.

And calling Obama or Tony an ‘idiot’ is what drags so many blogs into the gutter. Whether you agree with their opinions or not, juvenile bile like that takes any credibility out of a post.

Objective commentator

May 22nd, 2009
11:07 am

Hey GeoffDawg,

Re: “We used to be governed by a king and that didn’t work out so well.”

Do you mean King George the 43rd?

PTC Jacket

May 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

Objective commentator:

….how did Bush act like a king in order for you to respond like that? All I know is that the Patriot’s Act, which is probably the best thing he signed, is saving lives of thousands of Americans and tourists. What has Obama done? Kill more babies?