Are coaches going to become even MORE boring?

You guys (and ladies) need to help me here because there is something that I don’t quite understand.

When did coach’s comments at booster clubs and radio interviews in MAY become MAJOR, MAJOR stories?

Two examples:

Florida coach Urban Meyer was recently speaking to a Gator Club in Orlando and said the following words: “If you want to be critical of a player on our team or a coach on our team, you can buy a ticket in seat 37F. You’re not welcome back in the football office. You’re either a Gator or you’re not a Gator.”

It was assumed in the media that Meyer was talking about former quarterback Shane Matthews, who co-hosts a radio show in Gainesville. As a radio host he has been analytical, and sometimes critical, of Florida’s offense, particularly the passing end of it. That’s his job. Besides, it is fair to say that Matthews know a little bit about the passing game.

Meyer’s job is to win games and protect his program from all enemies, foreign and domestic. He’s a coach and coaches are control freaks. It’s in their DNA. They can’t help it. Yeah, the remarks seem a little strident but in the context of a booster club it was like a politician throwing red meat to his base.  It’s harmless.

But after those comments Meyer was being portrayed in some circles as a guy with a god complex that has only grown because of two national championships in three years. Suddenly, after four years in Gainesville, Meyer is trying to throw down the gauntlet to former players: You’re either in or you’re out.

The story was picked up on ESPN.com. The Worldwide Leader had Matthews on its daily TV show and he said that the story was overblown. Matthews talked to Pat Dooley of the Gainesville Sun, who is as dialed in to Florida as any reporter in the business. Dooley reported that Matthews and Meyer have talked and cleared the air. But for a week it was a really big deal down there. My question is: Did it have to be?

South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier went on Paul Finebaum’s radio show and said that he, too, had heard the rumors that Meyer might someday head ride off into the sunset to Notre Dame. If you know Spurrier, it is the kind of throwaway line that makes talking to him fun.

Remember “Free Shoes U?” I’m sorry Florida State fans, but THAT was funny. “Can’t spell Citrus without a UT?” Even if you wear Orange you have to laugh at that.

Now everybody has heard those rumors about Meyer and as long as Florida’s good and Notre Dame’s not, those rumors are not going away. But one trip around the blogosphere and Spurrier is suddenly talking smack about Meyer and using it for his recruiting advantage. That’s was not the context of the remarks. Spurrier was just having fun. You remember fun, don’t you? This is sports. This is supposed to be fun.

What was supposed to be a harmless, good natured jab at an opponent became this thing with legs that would not die.

So what’s the big deal, you ask? Those guys said what they said and they have to live with the consequences. It’s the age in which we live. Deal with it.

And you might be right.  It could be that the cyber genie is out of the bottle and that the mega interest in college football, plus the money these guys are making make every word fair game.

But here is the concern. Since last week both Meyer and Spurrier have both become very cautious in public interviews.

“What happens is you can’t speak anymore,” Meyer told the Gainesville Sun. “You can’t have fun. You can’t talk. You know, it’s a shame, but that’s the way it is.”

Spurrier was in Myrtle Beach on Tuesday and even he has decided to back off.

“I haven’t won enough games to banter with anybody right now,” he told The Myrtle Beach newspaper. “So when you’re 7-5 and 7-6, which is about what we’ve averaged, you just try to worry about your team.”

College football coaches are boring enough during the season. But it used to be that we could get them to take off the blinders and loosen up for a few weeks in May and June. Is college football going to become like the NFL (No Fun League) because the coaches just get tired of every word being dissected and, in some cases, being blown way out of proportion? I hate that phrase because “proportion” is in the eye of the beholder but it seems to apply here.

 I guess I  have to remember that in the blogosphere little nuggets grow into big boulders if enough people chatter about them. But those of us in the business learned a long time ago that the stuff said at booster meetings has to be taken with a grain of salt. What coaches say in front of reporters is one thing. What they say in front of the booster clubs is another. In my opinion, you just can’t take it that seriously.

Apparently people do.

Am I missing something here?

Happy Birthday, Archie: I talked to the Ole Miss legend last night as he was celebrating his 60th birthday. The father of Peyton, Eli, and Cooper was born on May 19, 1949. It just doesn’t seem that long ago that I was watching him play against Georgia in Athens. “I sure don’t feel 60. I feel great,” he said. He looks like he could still play.

For those of you who never saw Archie Manning play in college, let me share this. Imagine a quarterback with the arm of Peyton or Eli. Now add speed. Archie Manning could flat run.

 

 

159 comments Add your comment

Dink

May 20th, 2009
8:35 am

Can’t believe Archie is 60, Happy Birthday Papa Manning! One of the three best collegae players I ever saw. Shame he broke his arm his senior year, probably cost him the Heisman.

KR

May 20th, 2009
8:52 am

I have disliked Meyer since long before he took over at Florida, so I’ll refrain from commenting on him in particular. However, my personal opinion is that coaches, in general, have become prima donnas.

It probably has a lot to do with the outrageous sums of money they make these days and the expectations that go along with the money. It gives the coaches a sense of both entitlement (I’m rich, I deserve this…)and fear (What happens if I don’t have this any more?). Shula was one season removed from a 10-win season when he got canned and has not been able to get anywhere near that salary since. Price never coached a single down for Alabama before getting fired for his off the field transgressions. He also has been mired in lower levels ever since.

I’ve often said that if Bryant or Jordan had to start out in today’s college football environment, they probably wouldn’t have lasted nearly as long as they did. The expectations from the fans and the constant barrage from the media is far greater than it used to be.

Tony, I think it would make for interesting reading for you to do a comparison of the salaries that were paid to guys like Bryant, Dooley, Jordan, Neyland, etc… and their counterparts today. A comparison using today’s dollars would be good to help put things into perspective.

I do remember Archie Manning’s playing days, both in college and the pros. He was a much more exciting college player than either of his sons, but I think Payton’s a much better pro player.

Kid Ray

May 20th, 2009
8:52 am

Another great article TB; modern coaches all seemed too polished for my liking. No more “off the cuff” remarks, every statement seems like it was written by a PR guru and all the fun (and possibly controversial) elements washed out of it.
college football is becoming way too sanitized. Too many robots, not enough personalities.

Kid Ray

May 20th, 2009
8:53 am

and if you think robotic is good…go to youtube and watch a bill belichick presser. if you want to sleep that is.

SimpleDawg

May 20th, 2009
8:59 am

Archie was a great college QB….he was big, fast and had a strong arm. I remember that game in Athens….Ole Miss won. Archie should have won the Heisman Trophy at least once….maybe the year Steve Owens from OU won. He suffered a broken wrist one year and still played…with a cast, taking snaps under center.

You never heard any of these abrasive comments coming from the Old Masters of college football…Bear, Shug, Vince, Bud, Darryl, Vaught, Broyles…they all knew that the croaking frog usually got gigged. Spurrier was the first to really rely on the needle to openly agitate his opponents, but then he seemed to always have the fastest horse in the race. Urban has the same luxury. Kiffin, on the other hand, just seems to be a loose cannon…all powder, no ball. Tech’s PJ will prove to be another one of the new breed who tends to run his mouth rather recklessly.

Kid Ray

May 20th, 2009
9:05 am

speaking of frogs…sorry is the frog that doesn’t croak in his own pond. I think, as TB said, these remarks are generally harmless, smoe teasing if you will.
It makes the long offseason go by faster.

[...] Last week I wrote that I believe coaches will eventually become more bland… they’ll become more careful in what they say due to increased media scrutiny.  They’ll especially start to watch what they say to booster groups, where comments are no longer “off the record.”Now Tony Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says that he fears coaches will become more boring, too.  And he places the blame with folks in the internet world who write about these things.“I guess (I) have to remember that (in) the blogosphere little nuggets grow into big boulders if enough people chatter about them.  But those of us in the business learned a long time ago that the stuff said at booster meetings has to be taken with a grain of salt.  What coaches say in front of reporters is one thing.  What they say in front of the booster clubs is another.  In my opinion, you just can’t take it that seriously.  Apparently people do.”I agree that these booster club barbs have been tossed around for years.  “You can’t spell Citrus without U-T.”  “Free Shoes University.”  “Nothing matters more than beating that cow college on the other side of the state.”I also know that with everyone having access to a cell phone camera and the internet, the days of these comments NOT being blown up are long gone.But while Mr. Barnhart might be right that it’s the “blogosphere” crowd who builds this stuff up (personally, I’d have gone with messageboard folks), it’s the folks in the honest-to-goodness REAL media who are now getting involved in it for the first time.I don’t consider this site a blog.  MrSEC.com is designed to be a news site where you can come and find out what’s going on all around the league.  It’s not usually a series of “I just ate a taco” personal posts.And being that we link to REAL media sources (television stations, radio stations, newspapers, magazines) 99.9% of the time and that I am in the actual media and have been since 1991, I feel that I can comment on this:The line between REAL media and the blogosphere is disappearing.  Quickly.  For example, if you’ve read anything on this site about jokes and digs made by Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Dan Mullen or Urban Meyer (and you have), it’s been because I’ve linked to a tv, radio, newspaper or magazine story covering those comments.  Not because I’ve linked to a blog or a messageboard.Again, perhaps the mainstream media has to step in and cover the furor because fans have gotten the ball rolling on their own sites, but it’s still being covered by the REAL media.So while I agree with Mr. Barnhart that coaches are likely to become more guarded in what they say and that these booster club comments shouldn’t bring down the wrath of God upon a coach’s head, I also know that it’s not just bloggers and fans who are pushing these stories.It’s the REAL media, too.  Yes, even “those of us in the business” who “learned a long time ago that the stuff said at booster meetings has to be taken with a grain of salt.”As always, a thought-provoking piece from Mr. Barnhart. [...]

Pop Warner

May 20th, 2009
9:25 am

There used to be respect & comraderie among Dooley, Shug, Charlie Mac, Bryant, Majors, etc. Now it is all dislike & disrespect. Publicly calling a fellow coach a “cheater” (without even knowing the facts) would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. Now it’s considered “energizing the fan base”.

Huh?

May 20th, 2009
9:27 am

My favorite Spurrier moment: “Ray Goof.” And I’m a Georgia fan.

MrSEC.com give it a rest!

May 20th, 2009
9:32 am

MrSEC.com

Enough of the interminable solicitations! Give us a break

mightyKC

May 20th, 2009
9:35 am

tony,
your “brethren” are to blame…especially the sensationalist d-bags like mike bianchi. finebaum is to blame, too.

and yes, you are correct, the coaches will now clam up…that is, all of them except for Wonder Boy Lane. He’ll keep racking up quote as fast as he does secondary violations. And for any Vol fan that doesn’t think those secondary violations are a gateway drug to major ones, you’re kidding yourselves. he’ll be shooting up the heroin infractions in no time…especially w/ orgeron on his staff.

Otto

May 20th, 2009
9:35 am

The Big 12 coaches have been fun lately. Hawkins with his D1 speach, Stoops is always in the media promoting his Sooners, Gundy at Okie Lite defending his players and attacking the press and Leach is always good for something.

CharlotteGator

May 20th, 2009
9:35 am

What’s sad is that there are many more examples. While it’s fun to want to latch on and kill them for it, the stuff Kiffin said at his booster meeting and that Richt said at his were somewhat blown up as well. In my opinion, they’re booster meetings…reckless things will be said. As a Florida fan it’s really easy pickings to stick it to Lane for calling Urban out or to make fun of Richt and fellow Dawgs for crying about the JAX location, but at the end of the day, these guys were just talking to their fanbases. Can you imagine what else is being said that’s not getting reported. I personally, had no problem w/ Richt, Lane, or anyone else’s comments.

Ideally, I’d like to hear more of these coaches speaking off the cuff, because it’s precisely the lack of it that makes them seem like prima donna’s and not real people. Guarantee if we saw more of the ‘normal’ side, it would make things more interesting. Reality, however, is that it’s not gonna happen. The media needs something to talk about during the offseason so this is just extra fodder. And fans, who usually unfairly dislike other coaches because they’re the enemy, are gonna latch onto anything one of them says that furthers their argument.

Urban, Saban, Miles, SOS, Richt, etc. will always get labled as egotists, pansies, arrogant SOB’s, idiots, cheaters, etc. as long as there are opposing fans. The truth is though, that every fanbase loves their guy and wants to disparage the others that are just as good and compete with them. If your guy isn’t hated and/or talked about, it’s probably because your team isn’t envied or viewed as a threat.

It’s D-1 SEC life/athletics folks, no matter what is said, we all know the same things have to happen to be successful in the environment and while there are different styles and circumstances, everyone of the great coaches in the league deals with the same issues and has to do the same sorts of things to succeed.

NEXT#13

May 20th, 2009
9:35 am

KR,coach price’s adolesent behavior got him canned. The last thing bama needed at the time! Shula was let go for what i believe will be the samething coach richt will be canned for…blind loyalty to his staff!!!

buckblue

May 20th, 2009
9:37 am

Do you want them all to become self-promoting, arrogant, overpaid, self centered, pompus a%% clowns like nick saban and lame kiffen??????????????????????????

Otto

May 20th, 2009
9:38 am

ESPN says Kiffen is self reporting another violation. He is reporting these faster than Fulmer could order Krispy Kremes.

SimpleDawg

May 20th, 2009
9:40 am

Poor ol’ Ray….a good guy, but he was Spurrier’s whipping boy for years. I’m sure Ray would have liked to whip Superior’s a$$, but he had a lttle too much class to do so.

A little good-natured ribbing is fine, but these new genuises come off as arrogant and haughty, sometimes even spiteful.

Urbane and his God complex should really be at Notre Dame…he’d probably want his face put on Touchdown Jesus.

Roswell Ed

May 20th, 2009
9:44 am

I changed my blog to libertarianhumor.com to help in SEO popularity. Please come visit!!
You mean Urban Crier? He’s overrated. You really have to have things break your way inorder to win the mythical NC and he’s had that happen to him twice. Don’t get me wrong he’s a very good coach but he’s no Bear.

Roswell Ed

May 20th, 2009
9:45 am

Free Shoes U is probably my all time fav coach quote.

whitx2

May 20th, 2009
9:49 am

Tony, does the media show up at these booster meetings or is it the cell phones with video that are catching these nuggets?

JB

May 20th, 2009
9:51 am

I’m sorry, Richt and ego don’t go together. I have been around him many times, and he’s the most humble guy in the room. He’s a class act who would have fit in nicely with the old guard mentioned above.

AU

May 20th, 2009
9:59 am

I love how all sportswriters make “issues” out of things said by coaches and then try to blame the fans for drumming up criticism or turmoil. It’s writers like YOU Mr. Barnhart that take what coaches say to heart and write about it. 90% of fans like myself hear what Meyer or Tiffin say and just laugh. It’s the writers or the fool radio hosts like Finebaum that try to make an issue out of nothing. Even in a recent Finebaum article he states that coaches like Meyer and Saban have God complexes because they don’t converse with reporters or fans. Gee, wonder why when it’s the WRITERS that are delivering every bit of what they say and trying to make an issue out of it to make a name for themselves.

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
10:09 am

“I haven’t won enough games to banter with anybody right now,” [Spurrier] told The Myrtle Beach newspaper. “So when you’re 7-5 and 7-6, which is about what we’ve averaged, you just try to worry about your team.”

I look forward to Spurrier winning more games, so he can be released from self-imposed media exile.

All kidding aside, let’s get some perspective here. There is a world of difference between Steve Spurrier’s off-the-cuff observation about Urban Meyer’s “dream job,” and Lane Kiffin’s seemingly serious accusations of recruiting violations against Meyer. The first was a good-natured tweak, the second could have landed Kiffin in court for slander. No small thing, and there’s a reason why Kiffin quickly (if not so willingly) apologized—-no doubt under orders from UT’s office of general counsel.

As for the so-called “god complex,” it’s only a difference in degree, not in kind, between Mark Richt telling UGA fans that he will make all personnel decisions regarding defensive Willie Martinez, and Meyer rallying the troops against what he thought was misplaced and unfair talk-show criticism from Shane Matthews. Sometimes, how we say things DOES matter.

As for this Gator, Spurrier, Meyer and Matthews all remain in my personal pantheon of Gator Greats. Now play nice, boys.

Gen Neyland

May 20th, 2009
10:10 am

My two favorite Spurious moments: When Tennessee travelled to the Swamp at the end of 2001 (early SEP game cx’ed due to 9/11). The ol’ball coach had this to say after the game, “Tennessee – they were a little stronger I think around the line of scrimmage, and that was the difference in the game up front. One team ran it, the other one didn’t.”

The other was when he told his PK’er after a botched FG, (paraphrase) “Son, it’s not your fault for missing it. It’s my fault for believing you could make it.”…For what it’s worth, Coach Steve is a funny guy…

Archie Manning : Class act. Nuff said.

The Urban Cowboy : Lucky as all. IF Tebow and Spikes had decided to go Alabama, the Red Elephants would have been SEC Champs. It was just that close.

CharlotteGator

May 20th, 2009
10:11 am

Very well put AU.

Not trying to needle anyone in particular, just some funny Spurrier quotes. I imagine these came from booster meetings. It’s sad if this is the type of stuff we’ll no longer get.

- When asked if his Florida team would beat Georgia one year, he responded with the question, “is Ray Goff still the head coach there?”

- “I know why Peyton came back for his senior year: he wanted to be a three-time Citrus Bowl MVP”

- In response to the Auburn dorm fire that burned 20 books: “But the real tragedy was that fifteen hadn’t been colored yet!”

- “In 12 years at Florida, I don’t think we ever signed a kid from the state of Alabama. Of course, we found out later that the scholarships they were giving out at Alabama were worth a whole lot more than ours.”

- While at USCe, “How did we beat Tennessee this year?”….”The same way Vanderbilt did.”

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
10:14 am

Roswell Ed—-In order, quotable Spurrier in his hey day: (1) “Free Shoes University,” (2) “Can’t spell Citrus without ‘UT,’” (3) “Ray Goof,” and (4) “God smiled on the Florida Gators.”

Gen Neyland

May 20th, 2009
10:16 am

Footnote : DEC 2001, UT beat UF in Spurious’ last game coaching UF at The Bog. Final was 34-32. Casey Clausen was the QB for UT, Rex Grossman for UF.

Hoopie

May 20th, 2009
10:16 am

AU…..I can’t stand PF and his manipulative opinions, I do agree with his article the giving those coaches absolute power will ultimately cause problems. I also think that his article was written to serve his own motives rather than for the love of the game. I also agree with Tony that some of the press and fans make too much out of every comment thus causing boring caution.

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
10:19 am

Roswell Ed—-How many unshared, undisputed Division I football championships do you have to win to equal the Bear? Four? Urban Meyer is half way there in four seasons . . . .

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
10:23 am

“equal the Bear? Four? Urban Meyer is half way there in four seasons . . . .”

LMAO!

CharlotteGator

May 20th, 2009
10:23 am

Neyland – I was at that game, absolute heartbreaker. Probably the most disheartening game I’ve attended the way UT ran the ball down our throats. We were all psyched about a potential trip to the Rose Bowl with a win in that game, but honestly, it probably didn’t matter w/ the Miami juggernaut (I hate typing that) that ran through that season.

mark

May 20th, 2009
10:26 am

Tony- what are the chances that Spurrie returns to Fla. when Meyer goes to Notre Dame?? Promote Charlie Strong to HC??

m

May 20th, 2009
10:29 am

The funniest joke of all was ugag being 2008 preseason #1….that may have been the funniest joke in all of history.

The second funniest is these idiotic ugag fans not realizing that chan gomer gailey is gone from Tech. If they had watched closely last November, that was a new sheriff in town that was kicking their sorry preseason #1 arses.

Thank God and Greyhound that chan gomer gailey is gone forever. And Thank God that Paul Johnson’s forte is kicking ugag’s arse. He is going to make a habit of it…..mark it down.

reservoirDAWG

May 20th, 2009
10:30 am

m, the biggest loser ever.

[...] Tony Barnhart of the AJC wonders if Spurrier will turn boring to stay out of the headlines. [...]

KR

May 20th, 2009
10:46 am

NEXT#13: Agreed on both accounts.

My point is, if it had happened in the 1970s, would anyone outside of a small group of people have even known about Price’s behavior?

As far as loyalty to staff costing them a job, you can most likely add Tommy Tuberville to the list.

Gen Neyland

May 20th, 2009
10:49 am

CharlotteGator : My football heart has been broken more often than yours when we play each other. From simply a SEC matchup perspective, it was a good game played by both. I think your PK got alot of tv time, too…

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
10:51 am

Faux “Atlanta Gator”—-I think I was pretty clear: I wrote “UNSHARED, UNDISPUTED Division I football championships.” Let’s look at the actual record, shall we?

Actually, Bear Bryant’s Tide teams received national championship honors in six seasons during his 25-year-tenure as head coach: 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978 and 1979.

Four of those championships were split or shared: 1964 (with Arkansas), 1965 (with Michigan State), 1973 (with Notre Dame) and 1978 (with USC).

Please feel free to laugh all you want, but those are the facts.

murfdawg

May 20th, 2009
10:57 am

I am really glad we don’t have to hear anything from SOS. How great do you have to be to beat Goff and Donnan? Spurrier’s arrival at UF coincided with the tremendous population explosion in Florida, and the improvement of high school coaching. And to ease 60years of frustration, he became a stand up comedian. He is a mediocre coach who has not won as many games as Holtz. Or Goff and Donnan in their first five years. I just wish we had shut him up in the 90s.

DawginLex

May 20th, 2009
11:04 am

Which mode of transportation will m use to send Johnson packing in a few years?

Spurrier is done. KARMA rules. You can’t treat people the way he has and not eventually pay for it.

Opening day:

NC State 42
SC 10

http://www.firestevespurrier.com explodes from all the hits.

Georgia Gator

May 20th, 2009
11:07 am

CharlotteGator:

I think I’m in love!

Are you married?

gatorman770

May 20th, 2009
11:08 am

Roswell ED – No coach can ever be the Bear because of the 1966 NCAA Bear Bryant Rule limiting the Bear giving mens&girls basketball, track, pocketpool and etc. scholarships to football players so he could have more players.

The old guard of coaches were just as vocal, but we did not have the mass media we have today, plus the quality of the newspaper writers, radio, and TV sportscasters are far different because they knew what to write or report and what not to write or report.

I know it’s not anything goes Friday, but you can see the change in news coverage since the WWII which we would have lost (like we did in Vietnam) with the liberal media coverage we have today!

My favorite Steve: UGA gets a lot of great high schoolplayers – I don’t know what happens to them when they get to Athens!

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
11:11 am

Sorry Texas, Our National Championship last year is undisputed & beyond question.

Now I gotta go watch Animal Planet, they’re showing a couple of gators in the lovin’ mood!

N

May 20th, 2009
11:11 am

Please don’t associate me with m.

[...] Tony Barnhart of the AJC wonders if Spurrier will turn boring to stay out of the headlines. [...]

Atlanta Gator

May 20th, 2009
11:23 am

Faux “Atlanta Gator”—-I don’t make the rules, I just enforce them. And, no, Texas did not share national title honors with Florida at the end of the 2008 season. The Gators won the BCS championship game and were the consensus national champions in the AP poll, ESPN/Coaches poll and the vast majority of the other final media polls.

You can argue whether Texas was more deserving than Oklahoma, but the Big XII anointed Oklahoma as its conference champion, not Texas, and the Sooners’ selection for the Big game flowed from that.

BTW, I’m more of a History Channel guy than an Animal Planet guy. Enjoy the stats.

G8R GRAD

May 20th, 2009
11:25 am

Great SOS quotes, CharlotteGator.

I’d forgotten half of them.

Aaron

May 20th, 2009
11:29 am

Gonna miss out on alot of good stuff if the coaches quit talking….my favorite Spurrier quote was in relation to a fire at Auburn several years ago that burned 20 textbooks said Spurrier “…the shame of it was 15 of them hadn’t been colored in yet!” come on, even if you’re from AU that’s funny

Anonymous

May 20th, 2009
11:30 am

Atlanta Gator = Alligator Dundee!

CharlotteGator

May 20th, 2009
11:39 am

SOS is definitely the quote gift that keeps on giving.

Thanks for the kind words Georgia Gator. Recently moved with the wife from Atlanta to Charlotte and I’ve been a big fan of these blogs and posts from Neyland, Ros. Ed, Atl Gator, G8R Grad, and the rest of the classy posters. Now that I’m in the land of college bball where they think ACC football is the real deal, I have to get some exposure to real football fans.

The biggest stories here right now are Dale Jr.’s sock drawer, what the student manager at NC State thinks about Coach K, and some event going on at a racetrack named after a stupid home improvement store. :)

Man do I miss the SEC…