Why the Georgia-Florida game will stay in JAX

 

I’m going to give you two very good reasons why the Georgia-Florida football game will remain in Jacksonville after the current contract expires in 2010.

Carl Brantley and Tom McMillen.

Carl and Tom are my best two friends in the world. We were fraternity brothers in college and have stayed very close for more years than I will admit in this space. College brought us together but college football—specifically the Georgia-Florida game—has helped to keep us together.

Carl lives in Colorado Springs. Tom is in Ringgold near Chattanooga. All three of us have pretty busy lives. But since 1981, with only one exception, we have gathered together in Jacksonville on the Georgia-Florida weekend to play golf, enjoy an adult beverage or two, and tell lies about our youth. We have friends in Ponte Vedra like Briz Dodd, who is our host, and Ben English, who for many years prepared the barbeque lunch for the Bulldog Club pep rally at Metropolitan Park. It is a tradition that never gets old.

I share this personal stuff in order to make a point: There are untold thousands of stories like mine about this game. I know people who have been staying in the same condominiums with the same group of friends for 25 years or more. Some bought their own condos in Amelia Island and St. Simons because of this game. They have standing golf games, poker games, cookouts, and shopping trips—all built around this event.

I just can’t see Damon Evans, the Georgia athletics director, telling those fans that this tradition, which began in 1933, is coming to an end.

Now Evans is a very smart man. He learned from his predecessor, Vince Dooley, that the only real  leverage the Georgia athletics director has in the negotiations with the city of Jacksonville is his ability to ultimately move the game. More than once over the years when the contract would come up for renewal, Dooley announced that he was taking the temperature of the Georgia people about the possibility of moving the game back to campus. Then Jacksonville would throw in a few things to sweeten the deal and the game would come back.

I understand where Damon Evans is coming from. He should listen to his head football coach, Mark Richt, who has been pretty consistent in his desire to move the game around. And you should know that from a scheduling standpoint, playing one of your SEC home games in Jacksonville every other year can create some headaches. And there is no doubt in my mind that if the game were played at the Georgia Dome, the Atlanta Sports Council would make it special just like they have for other events that come to our city.

And certainly the merchants, hotels and restaurants in Athens would love to have another home game—especially that game. So there are all kinds of real world pressures to move this event.

But the one thing you DON’T do if you’re Evans is move the game because portions of your fan base think Florida has some sort of competitive advantage in Jacksonville. Yeah, the Gators are 16-3 in the series since 1990, but that doesn’t have anything to do with where the game is played.

After all, Vince Dooley was 17-7-1 against Florida from 1964-88. Back then it was the Florida people who wanted to move the game back to campus because they were convinced that Georgia had some magical spell in that building. There wasn’t any magic to it and that was proven when Dooley retired in 1988 and Steve Spurrier came to Florida in 1990. Spurrier mocked the idea that Georgia would have some kind of advantage in Jacksonville, which is an hour from the Florida campus.

In that 19-year stretch Georgia has won three times (1997, 2004, 2007). In the 16 losses I can think of only two times (2002, 2005) where I thought Georgia clearly had the better team and lost. The 2002 loss (20-13) I will never be able to explain. In 2005 (a 14-10 loss) quarterback D.J. Shockley could not play due to an injury. Eight of those 16 Georgia losses were to teams that won the SEC championship. Another loss was to a Florida team (1990) that would have won the SEC championship if not for violations created by the previous staff. Of those nine losses, four were to teams that either won the national championship (1996, 2006, 2008) or played for the national championship (1995). So Georgia hasn’t been losing to bad teams.

 Of course Georgia should have won more than three games in the past 19 years but again, it doesn’t have anything to do with where the game is played.

Evans said he’s not in the excuse-making business. Good for him.

Because here is the cold truth that Georgia fans have to face:  Florida has won more games than Georgia in the past 19 years because the Gators have a lot of really good players who have played better in the white-hot spotlight that this game creates. If Georgia wants to win more games against Florida the Bulldogs have to sign better players who play better, not ask for a change of venue.

 

 

283 comments Add your comment

HH

May 19th, 2009
7:41 am

All about coaching and little about location.

Gen Neyland

May 19th, 2009
7:44 am

History has shown that nothing stays the same but the struggle.

Eastside Dawg

May 19th, 2009
7:45 am

With recruiting classes that consistently rank in the Top 10, if not the Top 5, I’m not so sure the solution to our problem is just signing better players.

ehyoutiger

May 19th, 2009
7:53 am

I’m glad that the powers-that-be finally wised up on this issue concerning the Iron Bowl. Can you not have golf outings, poker games or parties in Athens or Gainesville? I still haven’t heard a good reason for not having home games in this series.

GW

May 19th, 2009
7:57 am

Fantastic analysis Tony.

bull-gator

May 19th, 2009
7:58 am

Georgia always has good players. Need to look at the current coaching staff. Dooley seemed to do pretty well in the rivalry. A confident coach whould say “I don’t care where we play the game, let’s tee it up and see what happens”. I don’t know why Richt is concerned about this. He needs to figure out a way to win without gimmicks. Coach ‘em up, coach, that’s why you get paid the big bucks!

bigdawg01

May 19th, 2009
8:11 am

Never thought I would agree with a Gator.

It comes down to coaching. Getting these kids ready to play and destroy the opponent is not what he does, and it is frustrating. Like Meyer did last year, Richt should have this game circled this year…and every year for that matter. Talent levels are there, but Meyer just gets more from his players.

I concur...

May 19th, 2009
8:12 am

…and am very amazed that 5 of the first 6 respondees to this drivel totally agree that the whole issue is coaching – UGA has the players, yet they have not been coached “up” like the UF players have. Plain and simple!

Max Sizemore

May 19th, 2009
8:17 am

So this blog means what? That some rich and powerful Georgia alums will decide where the game is played?

UGASlobberknocker

May 19th, 2009
8:23 am

Tony is right on in every point. Tradition is what college football is all about. To move this game would be an irresponsible, knee jerk reaction to losing . Its not about the money, UGA can negotiate the financial deal they need in Jacksonville.

If Georgia wants to improve their home schedule, how about scheduling someone other than LaLafayette, New Mex. State, or Appalachian St? If they want to play in the GaDome, then schedule a home game there instead of people like Ga Southern and Coastal Carolina. There is one other 2010 date available. Damon, why not schedule that last home game in the Dome rather than adding on someone else like the above losers? .

I predict that if this game was moved, Evans will lose a lot of his support. And while everyone loves Richt, if he forces the change, he may find out how fickle college football fans are. I dont think either man wants to go down that path.

Kid Ray

May 19th, 2009
8:24 am

great analysis TB; From an outsiders point of view. I think Richt needs a little more fire in the belly. His best game was when he let loose (2007) and the UGa players fed off his enthusiasm. Meyer simply seems to “want” it more and I think the players also feed off that. The UGa contingent needs to look more closely at their HC and start asking him some pointed questions.

terri

May 19th, 2009
8:25 am

Gainesville 1994
Gators 52 Pups 14
Athens 1995
Gators 52 pups 17

Ted Striker

May 19th, 2009
8:28 am

Tony, I’ve noticed that the folks who want to keep the game in Jacksonville are frequently the people bringing up win/loss records.

A lot of us who want an occasional change of venue simply want a change of venue because it would improve our experience. We’re true bulldogs, we love tradition, we love Jacksonville. We’d simply love it MORE if we had LESS of it every 4 years or so.

JoeFann

May 19th, 2009
8:31 am

Well said, Tony. While it hurts to admit it, Florida’s players have consistently been better prepared for this game for a long time. Last year, in what should have been an epic battle between relatively even teams, I could tell Georgia was in trouble before they even came out of the locker room. Loran Smith interviewed Richt as he came out the locker room headed to the field. He asked him what was the state of mind of the team as it prepared to head to battle. His response was something like, “Well Loran, I’ve never been really good at reading what these young men are thinking.” While I both admire and respect Coach Richt and the improvements he’s making at Georgia, that statement is hogwash! I want to hear a coach say, “Man, these Dawgs are ripping and snorting and foaming at the mouth! They’ve got blood in their eyes, and if I’m Florida, I’d be really concerned.” Now, I realize that isn’t CMR’s style and that he’s laid back and low key. But in a coaches meeting, I’d be lighting up my assistants and letting them know that anybody that doesn’t come out of that room like his hair’s on fire, ought to be heading straight to the bus, not the field. In football, you’d better be anxious to “hit ‘em in the mouth!” And I mean, first! As the Bear said, “Knock him down, help him back up, and tell him you’ll be right back!”

Go Dawgs!

jay

May 19th, 2009
8:31 am

Money outranks tradition. If someone offers to pay more to move the game out
of Jacksonville it WILL move.

Lane "Shirt-Rippin" Kiffin

May 19th, 2009
8:32 am

Coach O Gave me a Red Bull yesterday. That smart-aleck shook it up before he gave it to me & it sprayed all over my favorite Hawaiian shirt.

I left his smartazz in Johnson City.

SimpleDawg

May 19th, 2009
8:36 am

TB, you and about 5 to 6 thousand people have those great memories and elite arrangements. The rest of us in the real world, do not have the resources to afford such a lavish mini-vacation….if we did, we wouldn’t be bitchin’ about the game being held in Jacksonville. Winning would sooth a lot of ills. Maybe we do need better players and/or coaching….I could probably argue both sides. I do hate losing that game almost every year.

I guess I’ll just have to be frustrated because I can’t go to J’ville and have a lavish weekend celebration while we lose another game against the hated gators.

Lane

May 19th, 2009
8:38 am

*What about consideration for the PLAYERS!!!!
*Additional travel, warmer temps, etc.
*To me Athens/Gainesville makes perfect sense!!!
*Florida was awful during the Vince era

Example assume you live and work in Buckhead, and your offices are moved to Macon, because of the market you cannot sell your home. Imagine that commute and the impact on your life style.

Forget about the FRAT BOY MEMORIES, and give consideration to the players-FOR ONCE!!!

MR, is on the money!!!

SecIsFootball

May 19th, 2009
8:41 am

I understand tradition and all but at the same time, I just dont understand why UGA would not want this game on campus. We used to play the Iron Bowl at Legion Field and I loved it when AU finally moved the game to campus and even better when BAMA followed suit. Its gives you one more high profile on campus game every other year and brings in a ton of money to your city. Right now all that money stays in Jax. Time for this game to be on campus.

HawkDawg

May 19th, 2009
8:44 am

Tony, Nobody cares about your golf game. Perhaps you could drop dead on the course and save us from future columns. I can’t wait for the day when II no longer see your ugly mug when I open the paper. Get lost!

Urban

May 19th, 2009
8:44 am

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Gator Mike

May 19th, 2009
8:49 am

Regardless of where the game is played, it will remain one of the nation’s best rivalries because of the deep tradition on both sides. As a Gator, I worry about every game, but the UGA Game aleays bothers me the most. I circle it every year because I know that UGA is always tough. Although the Gators won it all last year, I still consider the win over UGA the most gratifying. The DAWG fans always feel the same when they win. Sorry Vols and Noles, but you do not even register on the scale of concern for me as does the Fl-GA Game. I go to the game every year with a knot in my stomach because I know that UGA is always tough. That may be the edge UF has had over the last 19 plus years because the team and coaches are always looking forward to playing UGA knowing that it will be a tough game. Prior to ‘90, the Dawgs had the upper hand, and we know it; therefore, we are always focused because the tide can easily change in this series. I have a number of DAWGs who are friends, and I never taunt them because I know the past history of this rivalry. That is why we get along except for the last Saturday in October.
Tony is correct.
Go Gators! Beat the DAWGS!

UnderDog

May 19th, 2009
8:49 am

Finally, the truth is spoken. Better players and coaching is what makes this series uneven since 1990, not some sort of mysterious mojo. UGA had it from 1964 to 1989, and UF has had it since. It should also be noted that UGA had 2 horrible coaches over this span, while UF has had only one questionable coach. The reverse was true in 1964-1988. UGA had the better coaching while UF was suffering with mediocre coaching. It comes and goes in cycles. Although he has a losing record against UF thus far, it should also be noted that Coach Richt has a better record than either of his predecessors against UF.

Kid Ray

May 19th, 2009
8:52 am

If you look at Fla run now…it would appear that they have an edge. But if you loko longer and include the Uga run under Dooler, you have a more balanced look. What is the record since 1960?

Gator Nation

May 19th, 2009
8:56 am

Simple Dog,

While I agree with you that it takes financial resources to enjoy the Florida/Georgia game the way Tony is describing it, there is well over a 100,000 Georgia and Florida fans who commit those resources to that week. The weather is usually beautiful, the golf courses and beach’s beckoning, and the tailgaiting a huge mass of partying humanity. There is no other college football experience like it. I hope the game never leaves jacksonville and not because we are currently winning. It is the most important rivalry game for both schools if they want to get to the Dome. Let it stand out as the crown jewel of the season, which it is.

HawkDawg the A-Hole

May 19th, 2009
8:57 am

HawkDawg, I’m lowering myself here, but you’re a fine example of someone who shouldn’t be posting. I think I hear your mama calling you.

mightyKC

May 19th, 2009
8:59 am

Tony,

That tradtion stuff is fine and dandy, but when is someone in the media going to address the weather difference that the UGA team faces YEAR AFTER YEAR?!! This disadvantage is tremendous, and I can’t seem to figure out why Coach Richt is the only one to mention it. How can it be fair that Florida gets the move to cooler temperatures for the game while the Dawgs have to move to warmer temperatures than those that they practice in?

Tony, I’ve done some research and the avg temps for the month of October (source: Climate-zone.com)
Athens: 62.2
Jax: 69.8
Gville: 70.2

I realize that sometimes the game falls in November, but you get the point. The Gators get almost ONE HALF DEGREE cooler temperatures! So while they practice in an avg temp of 70.2 degrees, they always get the benefit of a cooler gameday. Whereas the Bulldogs have to go down to the hot south and experience almost EIGHT degrees of warmer temps.

How is this fair? How is a team expected to adjust? We need to get this in front of Obama, immediately. He’ll do what’s right. Please, all you Monday morning bloggers out there, spread CMR’s message far and wide, this injustice must end, and end now!

Thank you for listening, and God Bless America.

JB

May 19th, 2009
9:11 am

Weather, location, records…..All crap…..My Dawgs need to to man up like 2007 and bitch slap them.
We wore their butt out that day ( Tebow doesn’t play defense). Open date this year and hopefully a healthy roster will prove different this year….

Mark

May 19th, 2009
9:16 am

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TechBuzz

May 19th, 2009
9:17 am

Mark Richt wants the game moved because he chokes in Jacksonville almost every year and figures his coaching will somehow be better in Atlanta. Very funny!!! Losing to the incompetent Ron Zook in 2002, UGA’s only loss?? Choke! But it is somehow due to “playing the game in Jacksonville!” Richt needs to come up with more motivational penalties this year to get his team to play better like he did 2 years ago, when Tebow was hurt. Come on Mark, get creative!!!

Mark

May 19th, 2009
9:19 am

Mr. Barnhart this may be your best work. Those who complain about the money going to Florida aren’t considerting the South Ga businesses who budget their entire weekend around this game. Also, as Dorsey Hill said, it’s the annual celebration of the repeal of prohibition. What fun loving Dawg could want to discontinue that?!

Otto

May 19th, 2009
9:27 am

Underdog is correct. CMR has had some good teams but is snake bit in Jax. If his solution to change the series is to move it out of Jax maybe it is time for CMR to move out of Athens.

GT

May 19th, 2009
9:27 am

I had some real estate in Ponte Vedra and was trying to get an investor from Oregon to come in with me. One of the selling points I pulled up was the game every year. This guy kept correcting me by saying no one buys a piece of property in this case a condo for one weekend a year. Of course there is Sawgrass and the beach, but basically he was calling me out on the game thing. I will now copy this blog and send it to him to educate. Thank you so much.

jdawg

May 19th, 2009
9:29 am

I prefer to stay in Jax…we do make some money from the tax base along the coast line…if we go home at home…then we lose that year…the dome is just not an option for me…if they change then I will probably look to another away game such as Kentucky or Vanderbilt, just to get away and make a long week. I am sure that Jax will step up to the plate…

Bull Gator

May 19th, 2009
9:32 am

This article is why TB is respected across the SEC. It’s refreshing to hear a Dawg fan admit that having the game played in Jax in no way creates an advantage for the Gators. Granted, UGA has weather and travel issues to deal with that the Gators do not, but once it’s game time the stadium is split right down the middle. Keep the game in Jax.

CrimsonRedScarlett

May 19th, 2009
9:34 am

The next expansion of Sanford stadium will probably change the arrangement.
Haa anyone bothered to ask how the UGA students feel about this?

BankerDawg

May 19th, 2009
9:35 am

Wow. Some pretty stong comments on here today (wishing Tony dead??).

Anyway, as an undergrad in 94 and 95, I am sorry to say I witnessed both beatdowns at the hands of Spurrier and those Gator teams in Gainesville and in Athens. In fact, I lived in downtown Athens at the time (near Clayton St/College Ave) and thoroughly enjoyed yelling out my window at all the jean-short-clad Gator fans trolling around downtown. It was fun to have this game on campus for a change…

However, I have been going to Jax for this game for a very long time, and just cannot imagine it being played anywhere else on an annual basis. Unlike Tony, I do not enjoy the 5 star treatment, but believe me when I tell you I have a tremendous time when I go down each year, and for the record, I don’t see any competitive advantage gained by UF due to the location. If we are truly getting down to comparing the relative temperature, humidity, etc. of Athens, Jax, and Gainesville, then I think we are in bad shape.

I can see both sides, but for my money, I would prefer it stay in Jax.

Eric

May 19th, 2009
9:36 am

Oh great! Keep in JAX so Tony can play put-put with his aging frat bros. Great argument.

Lexdawg88

May 19th, 2009
9:39 am

I too have many great stories from Jax. In fact my first as a 15y/o boy was in 1980. The fact is the state of GA is Giving the state of FL millions of dollars every two years that would be spent in GA. In this day and age it’s time for a new tradition. Atlanta one year and Jax the next. Split the tickets just like now. Let’s face it, We need the money.

Todd

May 19th, 2009
9:41 am

Why in the hell can’t M. Richt and the Ga fans who want to move the game focus on one simple fact.

We bring 40,000 of our best friends to the stadium just like FL, the game lasts 3 1/2 hrs. the field size has not changed, we still hold the overall edge in the series, they renamed it Altell Stadium.

What is the problem with the site folks. I didn’t hear a damn thing about it after 07, only Gator jokes for a solid yr.

It’s embarassing to read about MR an D. Evans talking about moving the game.

CrimsonRedScarlett

May 19th, 2009
9:43 am

The next expansion of Sanford stadium may change things.
What do the students think?

poopdawg

May 19th, 2009
9:44 am

georgia coachs, players are constantly exposed to the last 19 years record against fl by the media mostly. You can’t win but 1 a year, but the constant badgering by the media ( that’s part of their job i know) doesn’t help. The way i see it we have split the last 2 years games. Last year was their game this year is ours. Nothing is wrong with the location or recruiting . GO DAWGS

Outhoused

May 19th, 2009
9:45 am

Great article that goes to the heart of the matter. I am sick to death of the “I’ll take my ball and go home” crowd”!

RxDawg

May 19th, 2009
9:50 am

UGASlobberknocker, while I agree that I would like to see more prestigous home games scheduled, I wouldn’t be so quick to knock Georgia Southern. I know I’m biased in this, but for an on paper gimme win, UGA vs GSU game typicaly brings in more people to Athens then any major SEC home games. Auburn may be the exception. I would actually like to see GSU scheduled every year to have a somewhat lesser in state rival game. I think there’s a lot of potential in that game. Since GSU is Div 1-AA this probably will not happen. So Southern hurry up and get some $ backing and make the jump to Div 1-A.

Gatorz4

May 19th, 2009
9:51 am

Tony is spot-on about the game location. Changing the venue won’t change the outcome of the game. See Meyer’s record in the Dome.

Both sets of fans love the Jacksonville venue and that is why the stadium is full and there are still 20K+ outside partying and watching on satellite TV’s.

You cannot have the tailgating experience in parking garages in Atlanta, which is why a lot of us stay away from events that are held there, not to mention our need for Kevlar vests.

SOGADOG

May 19th, 2009
9:59 am

I attended high school in Jax. Fl. and graduated from UGA in the 80s. I have a lot of Ga. Fla. stories that I wont ever tell. The game is rich with tradition and should stay where it is. I lived the years that UGA dominated Fla. and those days will return if Coach Richt can instill the mental toughness and self confidence Coach Dooley instilled in his players. Coach Richt is the finest coach in the country and I would not trade him for any other. Confidence to beat Fla starts with the head coach and the fact he thinks Fla has an advantage in Jax. tells me he doesnt have have confidence in himself, his staff, or his players to beat Fla. Therein lies the problem. The Bulldogs have the talent and the coaching to dominate Fla., they just lack the confidence. The Bdogs must learn they can beat Fla anywhere, anytime.

KR

May 19th, 2009
10:01 am

Auburn fans never liked traveling to Birmingham for the supposed “neutral site” games. Alabama played the majority of their home games on the same field back in my day. The switch to alternating sites came down to money. In my opinion, the game got better when it switched to the Auburn & Tuscaloosa campuses.

It’s all about the money in the end. I think that the citizens of Athens, Gainesville and Atlanta might like a shot at the huge revenues the city of Jacksonville gets out of this weekend each year.

Personally, I like the idea of a 4-way rotation between Athens, Jacksonville, Atlanta and Gainesville.

Mac

May 19th, 2009
10:08 am

Amen. Leave it alone.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
10:09 am

How do the students feel about keeping the game in Jax?

I have a few younger friends that just graduated and they love it. Even if they do not get in the game many go down to the landing and beach.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
10:14 am

SOGADAWG, Spurrier had that and Urban does now. CMR needs to get that without gimmicks. I have defended CMR and think he has been a great coach but if his answer to UF is now dancing or moving the game which will not change things and will likely make it worse for the first few years, then UGA needs another leader.

ChadDawg

May 19th, 2009
10:18 am

As much as I love CMR–he doesn’t realize that UGA still OWNS UF in the all-time GA/FL series in Jacksonville. Why all of a sudden is temperature/travel etc an advantage to the Gators?? He has the right to his opinion, but that makes NO sense whatsoever. Beat the gators and problem solved. But don’t run crying out of Jax–because the venue is NOT the problem.

bigdawg01

May 19th, 2009
10:19 am

It is nice to have a fairly civil discussion without having to deal with all the “usuals” on this blog today.

I agree with the majority: Keep it in JAX.

Slow Freddie

May 19th, 2009
10:28 am

MightyKC: Enjoyed your post. Very funny and it really points out how inappropriate are comments about the weather advantage to one team or the other.

Eric: Are your briefs too tight or are you really that immature? I’ve never played a round of golf in my life but I can understand why others love the game and relish the ancillary activities surrounding the football game.

When the Iron Bowl was played in B’ham, it was weighted far into UA’s favor. As explained to me by a UA fan, bondholders of the stadium received first crack at any game or other production at Legion Field. AU fans received a very unfairly small percentage of the tickets so the game started off to the advantage of UA. With the UGA/UF tickets split evenly each year and each side having to face the sun every other year, I see no advantage to either side.

As for moving the game to the GA Dome even every fourth year, I have had 6 tix to the SEC CG since the game was moved to Atlanta and I wouldn’t think of tailgating near the Dome. The weather is miserable, the game is played at night, and that area is not very safe. Also, with the stadium in Jax seating 13,000+ more than the Dome, you are going to have at least 6,500 fans of each team who won’t get to see the game in person in Atlanta.

I have lived in Georgia over 20 years. I am surrounded by UGA, AU, and UA fanatics and I love it although I am an alum of another SEC school.

Coach "O"

May 19th, 2009
10:29 am

I NEED ANOTHER BEER! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

innocent bystander

May 19th, 2009
10:33 am

Changes whcich are made don’t always sufficiently address the sources of failure. But when failure is consistent over time changes should be made. 3-16 is a more potent argument than any other argument. It’s certainly more pertinent than that any number of Georgia fans may enjoy a trip to Jacksonville once a year.Move the thing now while we have the chance. Damon my have more power than Coach Richt, but does anyone actually believe his reasoning is more to the point?

m

May 19th, 2009
10:35 am

Florida owns ugag…doesn’t matter where they play.

Paul Johnson also owns ugag…doesn’t matter where they play.

Ugag owned chan gomer gailey….but Thank God and Greyhound, he is gone forever…you dawgies are really going to miss him.

coachx

May 19th, 2009
10:36 am

Why not help out the Ga economy ? Why have UGA fans burn all their money for Florida’s economy and high taxed gas prices.

Why not make it truely neutral ?

UF players get to sleep in their own beds the night before the big game. Then UF has a short 2 hour bus ride on the day of the game.

UGA have a 2 hour bus ride to the airpot, then the hassells of pushing 100 men through the Atlanta and Jasksonville airport. Then another 1 hour bus ride to the hotel from the airport. Then after the game they have to do it all over again. It not only puts UGA at a disadvantage for the UF game. It also puts them at a disadvantage going into the following week.

It is anything but neutral on both a football front and a state econimic front. Even a complete moron can see that.

DBCOOPER

May 19th, 2009
10:37 am

Flew in from Afghanistan on leave to see GA-FL game last year. I Have never been more disgusted with a UGA football teams performance. The fans were early way before the UF fans at the game cheering our boys on. We are hungry for a victory that Georgia doesn’t seem capable of pulling – off. Short of a miracle it probably will not happen this year. Sometimes the team doesn’t perform up to the fan base. If that’s possible. Hundreds of thousands travel to Jax spend money put off more important things to watch a program that is not prepared and over matched.

82 Grad

May 19th, 2009
10:38 am

The game will stay in Jacksonville for money and tradition, not about what’s best for the UGA program.
I honestly don’t believe we lose all those past games in this series if half of them were played in Athens, and I don’t believe we would going forward. The rivalry will not suffer-remember the Auburn game used to be played in Columbus and that rivalry has survived. Jacksonville will win out in the end-they will do anything to save the $300 hotel rooms (3 night minimums), and $60 parking.

Bryan G.

May 19th, 2009
10:39 am

I don’t even know why it’s an issue.

If you’ve ever actually been to the game, you know that it’s nothing like any other game you’ve ever been to.

Since Richt has been coach, they have all been competitive except 2008. There’s no excuse for the losses in 2002 and 2003, though.

Our players (with the exception of 2007) just play tight in Jacksonville and make dumb mistakes. We need to play smarter and harder and the series will turn around.

Jack G.

May 19th, 2009
10:43 am

Tony

This is a big time football game, and the outcome could certainly effect the national rankings or the conference title and bowl picture. Prestige and millions are at stake. You want to negate any advantage Florida could have by playing in friendly confines. Dont give them an advantage that could cost you prehaps a national title.

Your reasons for keeping the game in Jax smell of your personal agenda and pleasure of an expense paid vacation with friends. I dont buy it.

Having said all that, I am not a Georgia fan, and I really dont care where the game is played. —Just trying to be objective

Grantland Rice

May 19th, 2009
10:45 am

Georgia vs Florida played in Florida every year, an hour from the UF campus. Naw, that’s not an advantage.

dgroy

May 19th, 2009
10:48 am

No reason not to keep the game in JAX……why would you want to ruin such a popular sports attraction by changing the venue every two years. Georgia’s problems has nothing to do with recruiting good players…..it’s recruiting good players that have their team in mind. All there doing on the field is trying to look good for the NFL Scouts who promise them a gazillion dollars when they sign. A good coach can spot those players who are not team players and should sit them down and have a long talk with them and if they don’t come around, kick ‘em off the team. CMR is a good football coach but he’s too nice. Somebody needs to stay behing him with a 2 X 4 and let him have it every so often just on general principles. I guess you’ve figured out by now that i’m not a UGA fan……go yellow jackets

fo shizzle

May 19th, 2009
10:48 am

Go home and home or stay in JAX…NEVER IN THE GEORGIA DOME!!!!!

Got 12?

May 19th, 2009
10:51 am

If the recent series was more competitive, this would be a non-issue for UGA fans.

Doesn’t CMR have a stellar SEC road game record?

Karl Childers

May 19th, 2009
10:57 am

I don’t know nothin about this topic but I do know I like dem french fried potaters…..

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……..

Rich

May 19th, 2009
10:57 am

It is simple >> three year rotation. Athens, Gainesville, Jacksonville. If the people who invested in St. Simons condos are upset about it, then go to your condo every year and watch the game on TV. However, if Richt gets his way, he better be prepared to win it in Athens or else…

Bill

May 19th, 2009
10:59 am

It’s funny how the few that can get tickets on an annual bases can dictate for the fan base. What’s even funnier is that at most schools in the SEC that if the HC wants something the AD typically caters to those demands/fellings however in this case they will likely be ignored. Can you imagine Myers or Saban wanting the venue changed? Looks like Richt is not so powerful…maybe some recruits need to take note.

Dawg fan

May 19th, 2009
10:59 am

The biggest factor hasn’t been pointed out by anyone. Plain and simple, UF won’t agree to moving the game anywhere. Put that with wealthy alums that care more about partying than the game itself and you end up with Jax or no game at all. No matter how much money was guaranteed, Crier would never agree to moving the game. Someone needs to ask the Crier what he thinks of changing the game to a home and home series. He would never in this lifetime agree. He has a good thing going and would rather drop UGA than change. Has nothing to do with the outcomes of the games, just much more desirable to play in ones backyard than it is to travel.

We are talking about football players right?

May 19th, 2009
11:02 am

Weather…are we seriously talking about weather??? Especially when it is roughly a 10 degree deference? How bout when the Dawgs were winning in Jax most of the time? Was the weather situation different then? Has global warming affected this game that much? With all the sophisticated uniforms, on field cooling equipment, lighter helmets, and GATORade- does someone as smart as CMR really think that weather is the issue? Simply put, Florida is the better program right now and CMR thinks he can over come this “weather issue” by playing at a different venue? Lord help him when he plays in Gville every other year and it’s 2 degrees warmer than Jax is.

Also, lets talk about team travel:

Flight from Athens to Jax- 1:30
Bus Ride from Gainesville to Jax- 1:30

Hum??? Seems like Florida does have an advantage…oh wait, no it doesn’t!

Aaron

May 19th, 2009
11:04 am

I’m all for tradition but sometimes change can be good. Start a new tradition and take the game to the campus’ where it belongs!

observor

May 19th, 2009
11:04 am

Ah yes, a UGA blog isn’t complete until the village retard ‘m’ has chimed in with his usual brilliant points.

M is the perfect example as to why people should never perform a prefrontal lobotomy on themselves.

We are talking about football players right?

May 19th, 2009
11:06 am

I like Rich’s comment about Richt needing to win if the series went to home and home. A few losses in Athens would be the end of his tenure.

Native Atlantan

May 19th, 2009
11:06 am

An AD has no control over how well a coach or a player performs. What he does control is generating a quality schedule that give his staff a chance to win a title. It’s not easy but it can be done.

It starts with getting the game on the campuses. That gives both Damon and Foley the flexibility to schedule (2 for 1) & (3 for 1) games along with a major non conference “home and home”. Those opponents will be much better than “you play one at mine and no return trip”.

There would be several WAC, Mountain West & probably a few Conference USA teams who would jump at that opportunity to do 2 for 1’s w/ either UGA or UF. That allows us to get rid of more directional schools, get better opponents & still provide the coaches the opportunity with a manageable schedule.

Then you also get to treat your loyal fanbase to a special non conference game at home basically every other year.

You can’t have all of this while having the Jax game along with an annual state rival out of conference game (GT and FSU).

Jax has served it’s purpose….having the larger facility that allows as many fans as possible to see the game in a somewhat decent logistical location. Things have changed. Sanford and Ben Hill Griffin Florida Fieldhouse both seat well over 5000 than the Gator Bowl.

Time to tell Jax to take a hike.

Got 12?

May 19th, 2009
11:07 am

Even Meyers and our beloved Saban can’t change tradition. Do you really think Saban wants to be in Gwinnett County tonight shaking hands and kissing babies as part of the Crimson Caravan? No. But, guess where he’ll be this evening at 6PM Eastern?

It’s all about money. Who is Evans going to listen to–Joe Six Pack who can barely afford to make it to Jacksonville every other year or the rich alumni who own property in the Jacksonville area and contribute millions to the athletics department every year?

Greg From Marietta

May 19th, 2009
11:08 am

The logic for keeping the game in Jacksonville is just plain stupid. It should be at each school on alternate games. If not, then play ALL games with ALL teams at a “supposed” neutral site in the other team’s home state. The people backing the current format don’t care about the players nor the fairness of the competition. Most are only concerned with their own good time and a “Party & get Drunk” mentality.

Joe D.

May 19th, 2009
11:10 am

It’s just plain stupid to continue playing that game in Jacksonville. Why…

* Both UF’s and UGA’s stadiums are larger than the Gator Bowl
* Why “travel” to a home game, especially for Georgia
* Unfair advantage to UF and UGA in relation to others in SEC Eastern Division who have to play at Gainesville and Athens…Other SEC East teams play home-and-home, why not UF-UGA?
* Play college football on a college campus…wow, what a novel idea

DawgGirl32

May 19th, 2009
11:11 am

I’m hearing a lot of:

“Just win!”

“We just need to man up and whoop those Gators!”

“If we just win, there won’t be a problem!”

“Just play smarter!”

“Beat the Gators and problem solved!”

Uhhhhh gee guys…don’t you think Coach Richt has thought of that? Do you think he likes going down to Jax and losing every year to our most hated rival? If it was as easy as “just win” I think we would have “just won” more than 3 out of 16. Obviously we’re not going to be pulling in #1 recruiting classes every year and I really don’t see Coach Richt being fired for a “better” coach anytime soon, so what’s going to happen next year and the year after that? We’re just going to keep losing?

I’m stealing this comment from a blog because I think it’s brilliant and pretty much sums up the two opposing attitudes on this blog:

“Yar, Yar, Yar…..I ain’t gonna be tucking mah tail and running from those gators. I believe in tradition and we just need to whoop them!!!

Versus

Every other year you are giving away a home game to your biggest rival who also is one of the most consistent winning programs since the early 90s. To willfully give away an advantage, no matter how small some believe it is, is idiotic. It is undeniable that not playing every other year at home, is the loss of a possible advantage.”

Tide rising

May 19th, 2009
11:14 am

I think the one poster had it best when she stated that UF won 52-17 and 52-14 in 1994 and 1995 when the game was temporarily in Athens 1 year and in Gainesville 1 year due I suppose to renovations in Jacksonville. If those were the scores then the Jax location obviously had no influence, especially for the loss in Athens. Florida was just better.

Everything is cyclical and a lot of rivalries go in streaks. We could talk all day about the various rivalries that have gone in streaks. Georgia just has to play better and reverse the current streak of gator dominance.

WTF???

May 19th, 2009
11:14 am

I am absolutely amazed at the way UGA/Florida fans are interacting with some civility on this blog. Too bad for the stray Nerd ruining it.

William Casey

May 19th, 2009
11:15 am

Doesn’t really matter. Coach Paul Johnson’s soon-to-be yearly beatdown of UGA will take a lot of the luster off the Fla-Ga game regardless of where it’s played. Roddy Jones is still running in Athens!

Natureboy809

May 19th, 2009
11:18 am

mightyKC, you’re a moron. Do you really think that guys who go through Sping and late summer practice in GEORGIA are concerned about heat with it being an average of 69 degrees in Jacksonville in October?
Add this to the list of lame excuses.
It is what it is. Right now, the game is played in Jacksonville every year. Our guys can either man up and start playing at a high level or just make excuses for the next 16 of 19.

I didn’t know the goal posts leaned to one side in Jax causing our kickers to miss chip shots. I guess the breeze from the Saint John’s River causes Martrez Milner and Terrence Edwards to drop wide open passes or Stafford to miss wide open TEs for TDs. All of the alcohol in the air causes guys to make stupid decisions like Jerrious Wynn getting frustrated and committing hands to the face on a UGA interception or George Foster to dry hump a Florida player on the ground negating a 30 yard gain.
The whole thing is that we hired Ray Goff while Florida hired Steve Spurrier. Add that to the bye week they got every year, and Florida swung the series so far in their favor physically and mentally, that we haven’t gotten it back yet on the mental side. Physically, we can match them.
It sounds cliche, but Georgia goes into the game hoping to win. Florida goes into the game knowing they can win. Then the first time something bad happens, it seems everyone from the top coaches down to the most casual fan thinks, “here we go again”.
I don’t see how we can blame location with a coach with Mark Richt’s road record in opponents’ home stadiums.

ray

May 19th, 2009
11:19 am

Who will be the 12,00 or so fewer fans who get tickets in Jax who will be left out of the GA Dome? I’ll bet it will be students and “new” boosters. These days, the venue is just a stage for the TV show anyway. They should play it in Bristol, to make it more convenient for ESPN.

Tide rising

May 19th, 2009
11:19 am

Observor,

I was wondering if anybody noticed that the village idiot “m” chimed in with his daily inane comment.

Just try to ignore him and remember my ode to m. It goes like this.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.”

Huh?

May 19th, 2009
11:20 am

I’m sure those long weekends in St. Simons and Amelia Island are great and all, but you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t really care. Not all of us can make the trip to Jacksonville for this game every year. We have things called “jobs”, “kids”, and “bills” that prevent us from doing so. I would love to have this game in Atlanta every now and then. It would give some of us that aren’t among the chosen few to see this game. The old foggies all bent on “tradition” need to suck it up and take one for the team.

Mike

May 19th, 2009
11:20 am

Since Richt has publicly come out and declared that Florida has an advantage when the two team play in Jacksonville, it will always be so as long as he is the head coach.

Georgia players, coaches and fans will now always think that the UGA team walks into this game having to overcome the Florida “advantage.”

As a Gator, this makes me smile

austindog

May 19th, 2009
11:24 am

You old timers can continue to argue for the one and only reason the game should stay put, but you are FORBIDDEN to crab about the Rose Bowl Committee and their commitment to preserve tradition. You ARE the Rose Bowl Committee.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
11:24 am

Just as soon as Atlanta gives up the SEC game every so often, they can have the Florida/Georgia game on a rotation. How do the Dawgs feel about the SEC game moving out of Atlanta to maybe Tampa?

Mike

May 19th, 2009
11:27 am

Kid Ray asks;

“If you look at Fla run now…it would appear that they have an edge. But if you loko longer and include the Uga run under Dooler, you have a more balanced look. What is the record since 1960?”

Since 1960, Florida is ahead in the series 27-21-1.

Overall at Neutral sites, UGA leads the series 39-34

BhamWreck

May 19th, 2009
11:27 am

Heres something obvious that will NEVER happen. Send a ballot to every season ticket holder and take a vote, plain and simple. I can see both arguments very clearly. Tradition and beach vacations vs. home field advantage and keeping money in the state. Florida won’t lock down the talent in that state for much longer. FSU and Miami will be back soon and now you have emerging programs like South Fla, Central and others that can offer instant playing time to stars. Its all a cycle.

Urban Warfare

May 19th, 2009
11:27 am

Probably will never happen but why not some kind of a “middle ground” here…every 4 years have the game in Atlanta? I think alot of the fans, both Florida and Georgia, wouldn’t mind the change of pace every once in a while and everyone could stop complaining about where the game is. Hey, we Gators wouldn’t mind making that second trip to Atlanta every 4 years, even though the trips were barely more than a month apart!

Willie H

May 19th, 2009
11:30 am

Just becasue youve been doing it that way for years doesnt mean its the best way. We southerners are many times way too proud of traditions. If i was a decison maker in the UGA athletic department I would do wahtever it took to make the gators come to Sanford Stadium. If i was AD at Texas or Oklahoma I would get that one moved as well.

PMC

May 19th, 2009
11:31 am

So you’re saying…. other cities have no available golf courses, hotel rooms or… adult beverages?

This game couldn’t be played with the same furvor in Miami?

Ted Striker

May 19th, 2009
11:34 am

DawgGirl32 — excellent summary.

Tony, others — Anybody saying there’s a clear majority that says keep it in Jacksonville full-time is misguided. There are only so many UGA fans who get tickets and UGA makes the majority of it’s money off the high dollar hartman fund contributors. More and more of us are moving toward the idea of a rotation away from Jacksonville occasionally. I don’t know what the decision will be but Damon’s not just posturing for negotiations — he’s genuinely exploring all options.

cajdawg

May 19th, 2009
11:35 am

I’m a tired of this topic. As a life long UGA fan, I don’t understand why we play this game one hour from UF’s campus- plain and simple. I know the neutral site, party atmosphere is appealing; however, Oklahoma doesn’t play Texas an hour from Austin every year and two decades ago Auburn realized they were the fools for playing Alabama in Birmingham every year. When are we going to wise up, I don’t care that it is a tradition. All traditions come to an end- 100 years ago we road in horse carriages and 200 years ago doctors treated illnesses with leaches. As long as this game is played in Jacksonville we are the fools.

braveshater

May 19th, 2009
11:39 am

That was the dumbest point Ive heard to date. Im sure you and your well off colleagues could find a way to reach the event no matter where it was. I mean will Delta stop flying across the country if the game is moved, I doubt it. We all know your a Florida homer, and like CMR said “its not a neutral site”. I thought that was the point.

observor

May 19th, 2009
11:39 am

That’s a good perspective Tide….

PMC

May 19th, 2009
11:40 am

For the bulk of those 19 years since 1990 the Gators have had better talent AND better coaching. The Shockley year was bad luck with his knee. They also have simply choked in a few contests… but by and large… Florida had superior teams and superior coaches… It would have been close last year had simply Owens and Sturdivant been healthy… but it wasn’t… and it probably won’t be this year no matter where you play it.

austindog

May 19th, 2009
11:43 am

A quick note Willie, the Red River Shootout in Dallas is actually a mile or two closer to the OU campus than the UT campus. Both teams stay in a hotel before the game. No one busses in that morning.

Pago Flyer

May 19th, 2009
11:44 am

The DAWGS always have a Top Ten recruiting class…yet, nothing happens.
It’s getting embarrassing to be “run out of JAX”!

Otto

May 19th, 2009
11:44 am

Tide Rising has a point. Did moving the Iron Bowl from Legion Field make the game any less streakish? How is CMR’s record on the road. Outside of UF CMR’s team have traveled very well. There is no reason other than coaching and talent that UGA can’t win in Jax regularly. Dooley did it as other did before him.

Move the SECCG from the Atlanta Dome? Please take it to Tampa or Jax. Let the 2 top SEC teams take talent from your state.

Mike, I agree it should make you Gators smile. It isn’t making me happy. Spurrier came in at a time when UGA owned the series and turned it into a home game. CMR could have done the same but coming out against it does him know good.

ugablows

May 19th, 2009
11:44 am

all of this crying and bellyaching about jax just really makes Richt look like a d@mn chicken$hit

Kendawg

May 19th, 2009
11:44 am

There is nothing neutral about having the game in Jaxville. Why not play every other year in Atlanta’s Dome. That would be as neutral as Jacksonville.

austindog

May 19th, 2009
11:51 am

Would Florida agree to play LSU every year in the Superdome? And be charged a homegame every other year to do it? Of course not. No one at Florida would be dumb enough to surrender even the slightest advantage to a heated rival.

murfdawg

May 19th, 2009
11:53 am

Since the Dawgs have started a new tradition….losing to fl every year,let the whining stay in Athens or Atlanta. Some day when they grow up and decide to beat the gators (like we used to)they will be glad to play them anywhere, anytime.

Tony, it took real men like us to go into hostile territory every year and take over their condos, their golfcourses, their bars, beat their beloved gators and bark all the way back to Atlanta. We are a dying breed.So until the Dawgs on the field MAN UP and start beating fl, all you will hear is whining about the weather, playing in Florida, travelling to Jax, etc,etc.

Rejoice and celebrate Tony, for we lived in a time when men were men, Dawgs were Junkyard Dawgs, and Gators were booger eating reptiles. See ya Halloween!

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
11:55 am

Why should the Florida-Georgia game stay in Jacksonville?

Simply put, the neutral site and 55-50 seating makes the game something special. Something that makes the game must-see football even for casual Dawg and Gator fans, and even college football fans who aren’t affiliated with either school. Move it to a home-and-home series, and it’s just another SEC game. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like Tennessee-Georgia or Florida-LSU. It will no longer be the exclamation point on October.

As for the reasons for moving it?

It’s hotter in Jacksonville than Athens? I’ve lived in north Georgia a good bit of my adult life, and it’s pretty damn hot in Athens, too, during the summer and early fall. Every bit as hot and humid as Jacksonville.

Drive time vs. flying time? It’s the same.

Home field advantage? How is there a home filed advantage when there’s 50-50 seating for the fans, and the refs will be the same regardless of where the game is played.

Does anyone really believe that physically playing the game within the geographic boundaries of the state of Florida is the reason that the Dawgs’ record against the Gators is 3-16 over the last 19 seasons? The Gator coaches and players don’t care where the game is played; they expect to win more often than not, regardless. The Jacksonville game location is for the majority of the Dawg and Gator fans, not the players of either team.

Here are the relevant numbers—-the Gators’ win-loss record at the Georgia Dome over the last 19 seasons is 7-2 (losses to Alabama in 1992 and 1999). The Gators are 1-0 at Sanford Stadium. The Dawgs have played 6 bowl games in Florida during those same 19 years, and won all 6 of them. The Dawgs are 0-1 at Florida Field. If the proposition is that the Dawgs are losing because the game is played in Florida, the statistics do not support the hypothesis. It seems to have something to do with the Gators, not the state of Florida, regardless of where the game is played.

That having been said, if the UGA athletic director and head coach want to move the game to a home-and-home series when the present contract expires, that is their right and privilege, and no amount of “crying” from Gator fans will matter.

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
11:56 am

That was a typo, of course. I meant “50-50 seating.” Freudian slip, I suppose.

BhamWreck

May 19th, 2009
11:58 am

For UGA fans in Savannah, Valdosta and all of South Georgia it may be closer to travel to Jacksonville. All UGA fans don’t necessarily live in Athens. By the way, we should just be glad as Tech and UGA fans that our AD’s don’t have the wimpy scheduling philosophy that Alabama and Auburn have. They have publicly stated that of the 4 out of conference games they want to play 1 team from a BCS conference and then play 3 teams that will agree to only play in Tuscaloosa or Auburn (North Texas, UT Chatt, FIU, La Tech, Furman, and Ball State all games for 2009 for Bama and Auburn) Pretty weak

CharlotteGator

May 19th, 2009
11:58 am

I think the best point made in all these comments has been CMR’s road record. How can you praise his ability to go on the road and and have great performances, but then complain about the JAX advantage? In fact, how does he reconcile in his own mind that he can go anywhere else and win, except Jacksonville. Seems to me that if you can win in Tuscaloosa with those crazies, then winning in JAX would seem easy. It really just comes down to the mental edge and coaching.

As has been said, talent for the most part is even, save some injuries in different years which affected games and maybe outcomes (Shockley, Tebow, etc.), so you have to look at coaching and UGA’s mental approach to the game.

It’s a little disingenuous to constantly preach UGA leading the overall record, but then complain about Florida’s advantage in JAX. If you’re leading the overall record, then clearly, you know how to win in JAX. In fact, going away from JAX actually improved Florida’s standing in the overall record.

wasted away in barnerville

May 19th, 2009
12:00 pm

Today is a holiday @ university of allbarn! It’s gene cheezestik day!!! 5-19!!! NOW THAT’S A TRADITION IN THE MAKIN’!!!

Huh?

May 19th, 2009
12:07 pm

If there is an external factor that impacts the outcome of this game is the scheduling disparities. Florida almost always has an off week before that game and UGA very rarely does. Its been only very recently that this pattern has shown any signs of changing. I haven’t compared the future schedules so for all I know this could just be an anomaly. Florida may go back to their traditional off week in 2010 while Georgia has to play an SEC opponent. That is NOT fair. I’ll go ahead and save you some time haters by admitting that I am whining and its an excuse. I also happen to not give two craps. Its the truth.

I’d be willing to keep it in Jacksonville if the Gators give up their traditional off week before the game until UGA can catch up with them in that department. We’ve only had one off week this entire decade so its going to take some time.

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
12:09 pm

austindawg—-Most Gator fans have fond memories of the Sugar Bowl and the Superdome. If LSU were willing to split the tickets 50-50, I think you would find considerable support for the neutral site. Spending a long fall weekend in New Orleans would sure as heck beat playing in Death Valley every other year, with 82,000 screaming Tiger fans going berserk.

ed

May 19th, 2009
12:10 pm

We have the facilities here in ga, to support having the ga-fla game, but georgia takes it on the in place the game in florida. Forget tradition lets have the game at the dome, i’m sure arthur blank wouldn’t mind

uuugh.

May 19th, 2009
12:11 pm

Dammit m…How many times do we have to request the retirement of “Thank God and Greyhound” for Pete’s sake!?

UGA losing the game as often as they have the last few years is not a good reason to move the game. The temperature is not a good reason to move the game. Some clown protecting his investment in real estate that’s main selling point is the UGA Florida game is not a reason to keep the game there. The loss of revenue Gainsville and Athens loses to a city that really doesn’t have any skin in the game might be.

Let’s face it though, the big money donors tht pay the coaches and player’s salaries do get to pick where the game is played…and rich folks like golf. Tony is probably right on the money here…but by accident. The big money guys get to choose because of their money–not their traditions.

AU

May 19th, 2009
12:12 pm

Hummmm, whose better to determine if there is an advantage to playing in Jacksonville vs. Home and Home? Tony Barnhart, some drunkin alumni that likes golf, or the freakin head coach who’s intimate with the program and the workings of a road game? Gee, I think you could understand why the iron bowl was finally moved.

m

May 19th, 2009
12:12 pm

Whining and crying….we have finally found something you dawgies are good at.

45-42…it never gets old. You might as well get used to it.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
12:13 pm

Huh?..under Dooley UGA almost alway had a slack OOC game or the week off before UF. It changed after Dolley but Spurrier took a page from Dolley’s book and gave his team an off week. CFBDatawarehouse.com has both teams schedules. It is rather eye opening. The news SEC rotation has forced both teams to play a conf game before Jax in most years.

Wayne

May 19th, 2009
12:14 pm

The Iron Bowl moved with no known after taste. This should be about what is best for the team and it’s fans and the economy. Why spend money in Florida, when you can spend it in Georgia. Your petty personal desires do not and should not outweigh the over benefits to the Georgia football team. They can’t seem to win in Jacksonville on a consistant basis so a change in venue is a must. Ask Alabama and Auburn.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
12:19 pm

The Iron Bowl was never truly 50/50. Who wants to go to B’ham in November? Finally Auburn’s stadium was bigger than Legion Field at the time the game was moved.

The WLOCP is sure publicity for the game the same as the Tx. OU RRS. It is a great story line. Dallas has the state fair in the back ground. UGA and UF have the beach and the last sunny trip before the winter. The game make for a great atmosphere for the game and script for the media. UGA UF is just another big SEC game without Jax.

How much media attention does Bama UT get and it is the 2nd most historic out of state rivalry in the SEC? If you say the 3rd weekend in October outside of a SEC fun what kind of reaction do you get? The WLOCP gets name recognition. The game can be a great asset to UGA if the Athletic Department will go after it.

Teacher, Too

May 19th, 2009
12:24 pm

I love the game in Jacksonville. If the game were home and home, it just wouldn’t be the same atmosphere. The stadium is split down the middle orange/blue and red/black. And, as others have pointed out, more fans of both teams get to go to the game because the stadium is bigger than the Dome.

For those who say that because the game is in Florida, there is a home field advantage for the Gators…huh? Doesn’t Jacksonville boast the largest Georgia alumni club (or is the largest alumni club outside the state of Georgia)? I grew up in Jacksonville, and I do remember there being as many Georgia fans as UF fans.

Also, there are many, many UGA fans who stay in South Georgia. They are pumping lots of dollars into S. Georgia’s economy.

Finally, really, who comes to Atlanta for four or five days to make a vacation out of the SEC game? With the Fl/Ga game, many people come several days before to enjoy the beaches and golf courses. It’s fun and it’s a tradition. Why spoil it?

When I’ve gone to the SEC game, there is no “football” atmosphere because you don’t have the traditional tailgating that accompanies a rivalry game. No atmosphere.

Boo moving the game. I gladly travel to Jax beach every year (as well as almost every home football game). Some things are worth preserving, and this tradition is one of them.

Exley DAWG

May 19th, 2009
12:28 pm

This article is why I always love to read your stuff Tony. From one DAWG fan to another, thanks.

Huh?

May 19th, 2009
12:29 pm

“The news SEC rotation has forced both teams to play a conf game before Jax in most years.”

This is a recent development. I’d be interested to see if this trend will continue in the future. At any rate, I think Florida should have to go to Baton Rouge the week before they play us to even things out. Lets see how they like them apples. Their odds of surviving that stretch would not be good.

Tayloe Harding

May 19th, 2009
12:30 pm

Great remarks, as usual,Tony. One comment from me: in addition to the 2002 and 2005 teams, the 1992 Bulldog team (Hearst and Hastings and Zeier) was better than the really young Gators team that year and lost 26-24.

alsim

May 19th, 2009
12:44 pm

Jacksonville is boring. There is nothing to do there. It only has one major sports team and no major university.

If I am going to spend money on a football trip, I want to make it worthwhile.

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Sautee Dawg

May 19th, 2009
12:47 pm

Tony, i agree with you, this game couldn’t be played anywhere else and have the same feel to it and the same reunion type get togethers that have followed this game for over 50 years.
UGA’s record in this game is not because of location, CMR has a untouchable record playing games on the road, it’s simply a matter of whose team is better prepared to play on the last saturday in october.

Get it on campus ...

May 19th, 2009
12:48 pm

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m

May 19th, 2009
12:49 pm

Keep it in Jacksonville…I would just like to have a cut of the chewing tobacco concession money. Could retire rich off you sec rednecks.

g8trs99

May 19th, 2009
12:49 pm

The GA Dome does not hold Enough people. The dome is in the ballpark of 65k. They pack 82k in Jax Muni. Stadium. What happens when you UGA fans that usually get a ticket get shut out in your own state because you don’t donate enough to get a ticket to the “smaller GA Dome?”

MoneyDawg

May 19th, 2009
12:50 pm

Just tired of enriching Florida with UGA alumni money that would be much more wise to keep in state. Let the UF folks come and buy some of 0ur condos! Let them enrich Georgia with their money for a change. Let them fly while we take a leisurely stroll to the stadium.

Stupid argument to keep it going just for traditions sake. We aren’t quite as stupid now…are we? Or should we remain ignorant and scoring low SAT scores just because that is how it has always been? Stupid logic!

g8trs99

May 19th, 2009
12:50 pm

FYI Jax is one hour from the GA line. The superdome is 10hrs from FL. Not a good compairison.

austindog

May 19th, 2009
12:51 pm

Atlanta Gator, I think you’re glazing over the biggest issue. Flying is not the same as driving. Traveling 362 miles is not the same as traveling 71 miles. Traveling any particular distance is not the same as traveling 5x that distance.

Will

May 19th, 2009
12:52 pm

To all of you spoiled UGA fans who live above Macon and want to move the game. Kiss my ass! Every game week you are able to get in your cars and can be in Athens within an hour or two. Where as from Valdosta, it takes 4+. However, the one game a year that myself and about 20,000 others can drive under 2 hours and see my dawgs play (pathetically by the way), you guys want to move the game because its and unfair advantage to UF. That’s a crock of crap. Like Tony said. UF has had a better team…… and it doesn’t look like that will change in the next few years. but who cares, it’s fun and will remain that away unless selfish fans like you get your way. Which usually you do.

Urban Warfare

May 19th, 2009
12:58 pm

It’s just a shame we all missed Lane Kiffin day! It was April Fools Day. We could’ve all had a big party and served orange Kool-aid! Could’ve had it right there at the Pahokee town hall! And we wouldn’t have even had to order in clowns or male strippers since the entire Tenn coaching staff would’ve been there! Anyway, I think I’m gonna celebrate it a little later on Sept 19th!

Alphare

May 19th, 2009
1:00 pm

It should be moved. Why, because more people can afford in Atlanta than in Jax. It’s more a hassle for the people and fans(most) in Jax. If some fan called Tony doesn’t go when moved to Atlanta, so be it. You will have 2 more Tonies grab the tickets. Forget about tradition, the 8 years old remember nothing about Jax, so the tradition is simply for the adults. Why those adults are so addicted to a game is beyond me. In a few years, the 8-year olds will have an ATL tradition, while nobody remember Jax a thing.

austindog

May 19th, 2009
1:00 pm

G8trs, Athens is not on the Georgia state line. The Superdome comparison is pretty close. To Jax, Georgia travels 5.1 times the distance Florida does, and for the annual game at the Superdome UF would travel 6.5 times the distance LSU would. A bit longer, but what’s a little extra travel, eh Gator fan? It’s still a neutral stadium.

Get it on campus ...

May 19th, 2009
1:02 pm

Tony’s qoute …. “I share this personal stuff in order to make a point: There are untold thousands of stories like mine about this game.”

I agree with “ehyoutiger” (7:53am, 5/19) –Can you not have golf outings, poker games or parties in Athens or Gainesville?–

Too much commercialism, too much revenue, too much about other things NOT concerned with THE GAME itself. One the things that makes college football so great is the kids & their campuses. Nobody should make a game (except bowl games b/c they are rewards for a well played season) bigger than the college experience itself. All the fans could expeirence the ‘other’ stuff just fine on or near their oppenents’ campus.
That’s Just my opinion. But I’m sure it would be diffent if I worked for the Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce, owned a business at the landing, or were a CBS exec. negotiating those AD $$$.

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AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:08 pm

MoneyDawg, you did know, the requirement to buy a condo was just a scam, right?

The worst argument in here to move the game to Atlanta is that of affordability. Like Jacksonville, Fl is some exotic port of call for the rich and famous? Or its just that they are giving away free stuff in and around downtown Atlanta. What do you think is going to happen to the cost of tickets for THAT game? Somehow I dont think the location is really a big issue, when you are watching it on TV either way.

The second worst argument is loss of revenue from a home/home. The truth is that both schools would lose over a million each under that arrangment.

Just as a sidenote…..has anyone ever heard a single UGA player complain about going to J-ville in the history of the game? One….ever? As you said, think of the players.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
1:10 pm

Gee, this conversation sounds familiar.
Didn’t I/we do this just yesterday?

Bo Williams

May 19th, 2009
1:13 pm

Seriiously Dawg fans, how can you consider this a rivalry game when one team consistently beats the dawg out of the other team! I bet UF fans don’t consider this such a rivalry game, except those who have some natural rivalry with the state of Ga.. I.e., ” my brother went to UGa and he lives in Atlanta”.

uuugh.

May 19th, 2009
1:19 pm

Altamaha–I was suggesting that the towns of Athens and Gville lose out on revenue. If a business in Jville can plan on being in business all year because of one weekend in October, why wouldn’t you want someone in your own backyard to reap a similar benefit every other year? I think that this is the only compelling argument for a move. I know the schools both get paid for going to Jville. The schools ultimately get to make the decision–so who cares about the impact the game would have on the local economy. I like th game in Jacksonville but hate the Dawgs recent string of performances there. Let’s fix the performances not the venue.

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:19 pm

Bo, You haven’t met many FL fans obviously.

Alphare

May 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

AltamahaDawg, if not all those, what is it? What’s so good about a city in Florida anyway? It’s not Miami, it’s not Panama city, it’s not even Orlando, tell us why it’s so good about it. I mean, ATL, Savanah, or even Valdosta can be a better than that city in Florida.

mexdawg

May 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

Tony you are absolutely right about the tradition part of the game and I love the St.Simmons experience.The one thing that no one has mentioned is how important this game is to our recruiting in south Ga and north Fl.You better believe it matters.We move this game away from Jax and fsu and even fl will dominate recruiting in south GA.You will also lose a great part of your fan base who did not attend UGA but pull for the Dawgs every game.These people will become FL STATE fans and I would sure hate to see that.Coach you and Damon Evans you are taking a big chance if you move this game,think about it.You have a lot to lose here and not much to gain.

ray

May 19th, 2009
1:25 pm

If the games were played on campuses, it would become just another big SEC game, another Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, etc. Right now, it’s bigger than that, for players and fans. Do you really want to water it down?

reality

May 19th, 2009
1:30 pm

Stop your whining Will. No one is forcing you to live in that dump of a town in south Georgia. If you don’t like it, move your ass out of that crap hole and closer to civilization.

Drew-G-A

May 19th, 2009
1:32 pm

I am all about tradition. but, i would like to see the game played somewhere else every now and then, don’t know why, just tired of seeing it in Jacksonville every year.

jumbo

May 19th, 2009
1:32 pm

I’m a huge LSU fan and season ticket holder. My brother is too and has been to several UGA-Fl games with a good friend in Atlanta who is a big Dawg booster. My brother says it is a great experience. I have been to Jax many times but not for the game. I would love to experience it. It would especially be fun to watch a game with no pressure because your team is not one of the participants.

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:34 pm

uuugh. I love the city of Athens but the coast of Georgia is just as much a part of the State of Georgia, that the university represents as Athens or Atlanta. All moving it does is redistribute money. 6 or 7 weekends North Georgia cashes in on Georgia Football. I know. I travel and stay at good expence up there enough. I don’t think we’re being too greedy down here to cling to our one. So somebody in MY backyard does need that revenue for the rest of the year. A lot of somebodies. Personal friends and clients. And all damn good Dawg Fans, who are more than willing to reciprocate at a 6-1 pace.

But my point was that the University looking out for its own financial interests, which I think all Dawgs fans would appreciate despite any of thier own, would be stupid to move the game home and home.

uuugh.

May 19th, 2009
1:38 pm

Point taken…

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:40 pm

Alphare, I dont really understand the question. Ovbiously, the motive is convenience to you. I don’t disagree with you on that. I appreciate that. But lets call it what it is. I have a feeling that moving the game to Orlanda is not really your agenda.

uuugh.

May 19th, 2009
1:45 pm

…and I was at the last Florida Game in Athens and it was not much fun. Maybe Bo would have a different opinion of UF fans had he been there!

The timeouts called at the end of this year’s game reminded me a whole lot of Spurrier calling passing plays late in the 4th to break 50.

Keep it in Jacksonville…I just want the players and coaches to give me a reason not to dread watching the game as I have the past 10 years!!

Losing when you are supposed to win and getting absolutely crushed when you aren’t picked to win.

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:45 pm

really..crap, that was easy…I had a lot more.

BTW I never saw you make a case for home, so I wasn’t pointing out you earlier. Your case for the benifit to Athens is very legit, and very true. (although see my responce). I was more addressing what I have heard a few times as the lost opportunity for the UGA AD bankroll in not having the home game, and that’s simply not accurate.

Gatorzone

May 19th, 2009
1:46 pm

Reality, it is funny to see how condescending UGA fans can be to their own fanbase. Move the game and lose Valdosta recruits to FSU.

mightyKC

May 19th, 2009
1:47 pm

Natureboy809: “mightyKC, you’re a moron. Do you really think that guys who go through Sping and late summer practice in GEORGIA are concerned about heat with it being an average of 69 degrees in Jacksonville in October? Add this to the list of lame excuses.”

love ‘dem puppy fans! no, “moron”, coach mark richt is the one that really thinks that. sheesh.

“When people ask me the question, ‘Do you really think [Jacksonville] is a neutral site?’, I say, ‘No, it’s not neutral,’ ” Richt said. “When you play in the state of Florida every year — we fly, they drive; it’s hotter for us, it’s cooler for them.”

and love all the why don’t so and so agree to a neutral game site blah blah blah….look, this has been going on for 80+ years. have some respect for the game, and for the tradtion that has been set by our forefathers. everyone is about me-me-me-now-now-now. nut up, pups!

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
1:53 pm

uuugh, you hit the nail on the head, I dont think there is anything worse than sitting there getting that “not again” feeling. Well, moving the game to Atlanta and if/still getting that feeling would be far worse IMO.

But to be accurate, the sinking feeling of losing in J-ville has been more of a realization that we arent going to be pulling off the upset. As Tony pointed out, and I have said many times in here, there have been very rare times when we lost with a better team. I think I can count more pure upset losses in Athens than in J-ville over the past couple of decades. Can anyone dispute that?

Tide rising

May 19th, 2009
1:57 pm

Gatorzone,

That’s a valid point that no one seems to be mentioning. There is a tremendous amount of football talent in south Georgia for recruiting purposes and its not just in Valdosta.

It seems that the last thing you would want to do as a dawgs supporter is to alienate the south georgia fan base and potential recruits who get less exposure to UGA football. By taking away the one game that’s in their backyard you would do exactly that.

For the same reason that Nick Saban wants to play neutral games in the Georgia Dome(recruiting exposure in Georgia) the dawgs should keep the game in Jax for recruiting purposes and to keep FSU at bay. I think FSU is only something like 40 miles from the Valdosta and if you look at all the great teams they used to field a decent amount of their talent came from south Georgia. That is recruiting talent that for the most part Richt has been able to sway back up to Athens. It would be a shame for the dawgs to risk losing that big edge.

emorydawg

May 19th, 2009
1:59 pm

I almost never post here but I had to chime in on this one. Folks one thing that I haven’t seen anyone mention is the fact that this game, at this facility, is one of the most unique things in major college football. This game sets both schools apart from all of the other schools in the country. The fact that the game is played in Jacksonville is what draws a lot of the attention. Add that both teams are, for the most part, highly ranked going in and you have the makings for a special experience year in and year out.

uuugh.

May 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

Altamaha…I really just don’t want it at the dome. That place sucks. And the economic benefit would go to a number of Tech supporters were the game held in Atlanta (and I have seen one too many 45-42 posts on these blogs to support them benefitting from our game in any way!). If it has to be moved, which it seems Richt is bent on, Home and Away is the only other option.

Florida plays in Nike gear too right? Nike should just buy the naming rights to Alltell Stadium. One weekend a year would be an advertising bonanza for them with a de-facto sponsorship of the Coctail Party! Then in the interest of protecting their Nike contracts, neither coach would mention moving the game. Ever.

Problem solved.

UGA VI

May 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

Why give a tough UF team any sort of advantage?….even if it is slight.
Enough of the comparisons of the 94-95 home and home scores….those were terrible UGA teams that were 6-4-1 and 6-6 respectively. The 95′ game in Athens was led by a scout team backup (Brian Smith) while the gators were 12-1 both years. This does not reflect the current competitiveness of the rivalry where every advantage could be a breaking point.
I say rotate between Atlanta and Jax for the next few years. It couldn’t hurt and will put some added revenue in the state’s coffer.
Since my days as a UGA student I have had many good times in jax/st simon’s but that is no reason to keep the game there every year. Quite frankly, all of the losing has really taken a lot of steam of the trip.

coachx

May 19th, 2009
2:10 pm

To Dawgfan,
UF cannot drop UGA off their schedule b/c as long as they are in the SEC East they muct play each other.

UGA can play hard ball with UF and refuse to sign an extension of the Jacksonville contract without a Ga Dome appearanceevery X amount of years. If one of the schools refuses to sign an extension with the city of Jacksonville it does not mean UF can simply drop UGA from the schedule. It simply means the game will be played on a home and home rotation…………like every other SEC rivalry does.

gary

May 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

Lets see, the Iron Bowl moved, the UT-Bama series moved, why can’t the Georgia-Florida game be moved? Either do it at the campuses or have alternating neutral sites. A good point was made on the radio yesterday; if the boosters and ADs can be convinced that moving it will result in more money, then it will be moved. Sorry but tradition has long went out the window. I would prefer these games be put on the campus of each school.

Oh and one more thing…….why would anyone want to go to Jacksonville? What is there to do in Jacksonville and why would I want to stay in a 2nd rate hotel just to see a game?

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
2:12 pm

Alta~Dawg—-Roger that. It’s still a rivalry, and as long as winning the game means as much to both teams as it does, it will remain a rivalry. I, for one, will never miss the sound of silence at the Atlanta office, following a week of barking in the halls before the Game.

BTW, I see you’ve given up the ghost on the e.e. cummings thing . . . no more “altamahadawg,” eh?

Lenny in Ludowici

May 19th, 2009
2:16 pm

Aight. I’ve got the solution to your problem. The UGA-UF game should be moved to Fitzgerald. Geographically, it’s roughly halfway between Athens & Gainesville. It’s got a good sized high school field. If golf is what you like then there’s a nice municipal course. If you want some high falutin’ eateries then take a short drive over to Tifton. They’ve even got the Fire Engine Museum for entertainment. Weather? Well, it’ll still be warmer for the Dogs, but the fine folks down there have volunteered to put air conditioners on the Georgia sideline.

Maybe the Georgia backers who want the game moved are Democrats. Change is in the air, after all. Or maybe Flarda’s just in their heads.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
2:18 pm

Tide, Auburn, FSU, and UF have been known to regularly raid South Ga. The last thing UGA needs to do is give up publicity in South Georga.

UGA VI and how will it help recruiting with UF winning in Atlanta. We alienate S. Ga and give them publicity in Metro Atlanta. Will the UGA fans really be energized driving down from their Atlanta homes just in time to sit in their seats for the game without any real tailgating?

Yes I was in Athens for the Florida game and fans for both sides seemed really flat.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

Distances from Jacksonville:

Rome 335 mi.

Miami 348 mi.

Pensacola 332 mi.

All things being, er, well, equal . . . .

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

Otto—”Really flat,” or just sober? LOL

Otto

May 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

Bama UT moved? Only dates the game has been home and home since 1908.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
2:23 pm

Atl Gator, UGA fans have had no problem being sober after the game but you do have a point lol.

Anonymous

May 19th, 2009
2:24 pm

Or Really flat out hammered!

OaktownGator

May 19th, 2009
2:33 pm

When I first stated attending these games in person, in the early 80s, it always amazed me how it felt like Georgia fans were the home team – in the state of Florida. And Georgia’s teams played like they were the home team, and made the big plays to get most of the wins.

It turned completely around, and TB is right as to why – its all about coaching and attitude. The location wouldn’t make any difference, any more than it does with us and FSU right now.

It’s our day right now, and as a Gator fan, I’m going to enjoy it, no matter where the game is played. But Dawg fans shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the location will make a difference in the outcomes. It wouldn’t, and it didn’t in the years the stadium was being renovated.

The WLOCP is one of the biggest events in College football year in and year out. It is bigger than the overwhelming majority of the bowl games, including some played on New Years. It will still be a big game if it goes home and home, but it won’t be the WLOCP any more (which it still is, regardless of what our University presidents try to say), and it certainly won’t carry the national interest that it does now.

An alternating neutral site that could maintain the atmosphere that Jax provides would be cool, too, but I think the neutral site tailgating party of the year atmosphere s/b retained.

KingGator

May 19th, 2009
2:36 pm

Excuses, excuses, excuses!! Leave the game in Jax. where it belongs, and get to the details of coaching and recruiting!!

It’s one of the great venues in all of sports!!

TNDawg

May 19th, 2009
2:37 pm

It is articles like this that continue to show that Tony B. is the best in the business. All great points. Thanks a lot Tony!

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
2:41 pm

G8R GRAD—-And the list gets more interesting when you consider the other major urban areas in Florida and Georgia . . .

Driving distances to Jacksonville:

139 miles from Savannah, GA
141 miles from Orlando, FL
207 miles from Albany, GA
225 miles from Tampa, FL
264 miles from Augusta, GA
270 miles from Macon, GA
285 miles from West Palm Beach, FL
292 miles from Columbus, GA
327 miles from Fort Lauderdale, FL
347 miles from Atlanta, GA
349 miles from Miami, FL
358 miles from Pensacola, FL
363 miles from Athens, GA
378 miles from Naples, FL
415 miles from Rome, GA
505 miles from Key West, FL

Strangely enough, Jacksonville is dangerously close to the combined population center of Florida and Georgia. Oh yeah, and Jacksonville and the south Georgia coast have great beaches and Atlanta does not. Why did they decide to have this game in Jacksonville again? I mean apart from the fact that smalltown north Florida and smalltown south Georgia are among the two most fertile high school football recruiting areas in the country?

Rob

May 19th, 2009
2:42 pm

UF happens to be in the middle of a dynasty right now and, like Tony said, have had some pretty damn good teams over the last 19 years, ask Florida State and Tennessee. They would be dominating just about any other program out there regardless of where the game was played. Don’t overreact people.

Atlanta Gator

May 19th, 2009
2:44 pm

Otto—-Come on over to the Dark Side. I have a blue baseball cap with an orange “F” on it for you. It would making post-game inebriation much more pleasant. Jeans shorts are optional.

= )

Rob

May 19th, 2009
2:51 pm

Lenny, personally I’d like to see the game in Jesup.

Jax is the most logical site for the game. Every few years this debate pops up and every time Jax anties up and the game stays put. Why will this be any different?

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
2:51 pm

And as I posted yesterday:

“I got to enjoy the Georgia perspective recently by travelling with some Geargia fans (good friends), staying on St Simon’s, going to the game and returning to a great meal and a stay at the beach.

You guys have it down to a science!”

That trip was more fun than any of those I enjoyed as a Floridian!

If it ain’t broke, . . .

Anonymous

May 19th, 2009
2:56 pm

Otto:

Atlanta Vader isn’t really your father is he?

shannon

May 19th, 2009
2:58 pm

Tony, with all due respect, at least show the full scope of the argument so people can make an informed opinion. For example, over that 16-3 run by UF, do you happen to knwo how many of those games UF came off a bye week? Of course you don’t. Do you know what happened the last time we had a bye week before this game? Drilled them. I will take Richt’s advice over yours any day. You do not need to be involved in discussing football if you do not see how a UF bye week, plus the temperature change (it probably averages 73 with 60% Humidity in Athens game week while Jacksonville averages 78-82 with about 85% humidity), plus the lost day of prep (UF comes over on gameday while UGA flies down on friday) has some bearing.

Turn it around: if this game is played in Atlanta for the next 20 years and UF plays Ole Miss before it while we are off, and they fly in Friday while we are prepping, we would win 15 of those 20.

As far as the vacation part for friends, get over it. That is selfish. I want to see my team have more chances to win CHAMPIONSHIPS than worrying about a week getting hammered on a beach.

Charlotte Dawg 06'

May 19th, 2009
2:59 pm

Nice write-up Tony. Sadly I never did get down to J-ville while I went to school in Athens. After reading this column and some of you all’s comments I am going to make it a point this year to get down there and experience this in the flesh. Numbers don’t lie and The Gators have clearly had our number for a number of years. I think there is, indeed, a huge mental aspect weighing on the players in this game, and Florida’s coaches have consistently been able to fire up their players more often.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
3:01 pm

Atl Gator, I grew up in the 80s going down to Daytona Beach with the family on Thursday. We drove up to the game on Saturday. The drive back down 95 South was always great after the game under Dooley. I hope one day that will return.

shannon

May 19th, 2009
3:02 pm

One more thing. If you think the change in climate for us vs what UF is used to game week does not matter, then it wouldn’t matter if a northwest team came down here in Sept-but it does. If this were the vandy game, the talent could still win out, but when its equal talent those little things add up. For example, I know you worship at the throne that is Tebow, but do you think that playing AT LSU while UF was off last year had SOME little bearing on that game? If you do not, you are ignorant-I don’t care how many columns you write. You can be President of the USA and still be an idiot-just look there now.

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
3:04 pm

shannon:

I fail to see the logic in your argument:

Is it your position that since 1990, UGA would’ve won more than they did against what has been, simply put, a better football team, more often than not?

Do you really think venue would’ve made that significant a difference?

Puh-lease!

Otto

May 19th, 2009
3:05 pm

Shannon, I want championships, top recruits, media publicity to win the championship, and to keep them from recruiting our backyard. The game has been more even over the past 5 years. UGA is 2-3 and the 1 blow out under CMR was after the end zone dance which is expected. Scheduling before the game has also been much more even.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
3:10 pm

My GA/FL experience:

Drive to Jax from school;
Meet family (including Ga grad Mom)for brunch;
Get fannies kicked by Dawgs for 90 min.;
Familial kisses and hugs goddbye after the slaughter; and
drive back to Gainesville a beaten Gator.

What are you Georgians complaining about?

Lenny in Ludowici

May 19th, 2009
3:10 pm

Hey Shannon, if a bye week is so important, why not schedule a bye instead of moving a game?

If temps are so important, what are you going to do when you have to play in Gainesville? Seems to me you have more of an advantage in Jax than home/home. Either way, UF is A)used to the heat at home B)going to cooler climes in Athens. How is that an advantage?

Gatorzone

May 19th, 2009
3:21 pm

Wow, Shannon. Why don’t you cry a little bit?

austindog

May 19th, 2009
3:26 pm

I’m all for moving the game, but a stat I’d be interested in seeing is other teams’ records vs UF since 90. Some gator must have that info handy.

Otown_Gator

May 19th, 2009
3:29 pm

I went to both the 94 game in GV and the 95 game in Athens!! Loved the atmosphere in Athens even though the people there ruined it. Loved it even more when we scored the most points ever by a visiting team between the bushes!!! It’s not a question of where to play the game, it’s a question of where would the Dawgs like to take their beating!! Woof

Otto

May 19th, 2009
3:33 pm

Since ‘90

14-5 against LSU
13-6 against Tenn.
16-3 against UGA

Is changing stadiums really going to change that much? Coaching and talent will win it.

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
3:36 pm

“. . . but when its equal talent those little things add up.”

And therein lies the rub.

jbirdawg

May 19th, 2009
3:41 pm

Great article. Spurrier elevated UF in the nineties to perennial top ten rankings. UGA struggled and only twice was ranked in the top ten. One of those years beating UF. Richt has now raised UGA to almost a perennial top ten team. He is 2-6 vs the gators and realistically should be 3-5. Spurrier was wise to set up his bye weeks in the nineties so that UF had the bye before UGA as much as possible. Of the games UF had a bye week prior to UGA(and UGA played) the gators are 12-1, when neither teams had a bye, 1-1, and when UGA had a bye and UF played, UGA is 1-0. These numbers are from memory so I may be off a game. At that point in the season bye weeks = fresher legs and do make a difference, especially in years where the teams are relatively equal. Hopefully the bye UGA has this year helps. But the game in Jax should stay. With all the focus on the SEC this game can be as big as the red river.

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
3:42 pm

Sorry, should’ve read:

“. . . but when its equal talent . . .”

And therein lies the rub.

Rob

May 19th, 2009
3:43 pm

Are we really talking about weather as an issue? Seriously? The game is in late October… it’s not still hot then. In fact, I can remember wearing long sleeve shirts and the GA fans wearing their NASCAR jackets to those games. I know, global warming has impacted NE Florida more than Georgia. There’s a hole in the ozone layer over Jacksonville, right UGA fans? That explains the disparity.

bh

May 19th, 2009
3:44 pm

Come on Tony! Nobody in there right mind would say that it is not a significant advantage for Floriday to play in Jacksonville. I understand yours and many others traditions, but all the pain would be forgotten in about 2 to 3 years if someone would have the guts to stand up and say, we are going to do what is best for the football program, not just the guys with deep pockets who can afford to vacation around one football game.

DenverDawg

May 19th, 2009
3:46 pm

where’s Ted Striker?

Dorsey Hill

May 19th, 2009
3:46 pm

Otto,

Damn, is LSU looking to move the game out of Baton Rouge with that record?

UF is beating LSU for the same reason they beat us and everyone else: they’ve been consistently better than their opponents. They win in Baton Rouge, Knoxville, and everywhere else, except they have struggled in Mississippi. Can we move the game to Jackson, Ms? Similar name right?

Let’s just get better and beat them in Jax. I do agree that the game is too important for one team to have an off game the week before though. They should both play or both be off.

mightyKC

May 19th, 2009
3:48 pm

shannon, let me guess…you’re a UF grad…maybe even a lawyer.

as someone already said, schedule the friggin bye week EVERY year, you whiners.

game in gville: advantage, gators…you’ll have to come down to the big, bad humid florida sun.

game in athens: advantage, gators…we get to play in less humid conditions than we’re used to!!

STFU

mightyKC

May 19th, 2009
3:49 pm

ooops…and i meant “UGA” grad, above :)

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
3:54 pm

Distances to Dallas:

Norman 223 mi.

Austin 183 mi.

Oklahoma state line 75 mi.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
3:59 pm

Granted, Austin is not as close to Dallas as Gainesville is to Jax, but Dallas is farther from their common border than Jax and those Longhorn fans in San Antonio (or Brownsville & El Paso) have farther to drive than the Sooners in Northwest OK.

austindog

May 19th, 2009
4:06 pm

You’re wrong G8R, Austin to Dallas is 196 miles, and Norman to Dallas is 189.

CharlotteGator

May 19th, 2009
4:09 pm

The prior comment with the records against TN, GA, and LSU since ‘90 should make Gator fans proud. And not just that it’s been a successful 19 years, but more so because beating FL seems to be the key to other teams national success.

We’ve lost to LSU the most over that that period and wouldn’t you know, they’ve won a couple titles.
Next is TN and they have 1 title.
GA’s 11-1 team was denied their shot by guess what, a loss to Florida….and their only other season with some national prominence was ‘07 the year they won.

Hopefully, this period of success will last a bit longer since it clearly won’t last forever.

Oh, and kudos to the majority of poster’s today. This has easily been one of the best FLA/GA exchanges I’ve read on the site and it’s a lot more fun and interesting than the mudslinging.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:21 pm

Again, why is the SEC Championship allowed to be played an hour from Athens? Do you hear anyone else complaining like little girls about it? You have and always will be full of excuses. I enjoyed putting 50 plus in Athens.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
4:24 pm

“Again, why is the SEC Championship allowed to be played an hour from Athens? Do you hear anyone else complaining like little girls about it? You have and always will be full of excuses. I enjoyed putting 50 plus in Athens.”

I’m sorry, what were you saying CharlotteGator?

Otto

May 19th, 2009
4:25 pm

Spurrier usually had an off week before UGA.

Dooley usually had VMI, Houston, Temple or Memphis before the WLOCP.

Both coaches dominated the series.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
4:26 pm

Why is the game played in the Dome? Because Legion Field sux.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
4:28 pm

austindog:

Thank you. My point precisely.
That game is in Dallas because it is geographically equidistant from the respective campuses.
However, it is deeper in Texas territory than is Jax and Dallas is farther from some UT loyal than any OK alumn.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:29 pm

Shannon

Florida does not come over on gameday. Some of you young UGA fans should STHU. You have no clue. 5 maybe 6 times in 19 years you might have been better than Florida. You won 3. End of discussion. Two crap coaches for UGA and one for Florida. Florida has 3 National Titles to UGA winning 0 during the last 19 years. Blame it on bye weeks, your coaches, the humidity, but we have been more successful and that is why we won.

If you want to be a baby, change the SEC Championship game from Atlanta. You have an unfair advantage.

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
4:30 pm

Didn’t Richt & co. take the week off last year?

And don’t they have one off this year?

Will it make any difference?

Otto

May 19th, 2009
4:31 pm

Dorsey UF is 16-5 against LSU if you go back to ‘88 which is the same as UGA.

So over the past ~20 yrs LSU and UGA have the same record against UF.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:32 pm

Georgia Gator

UGA did not have a bye week last year. They played LSU last year.

Alphare

May 19th, 2009
4:33 pm

I cannot believe you guys keep repeating tradtion. Tradition of what? losing? You guys just want to be in St Simon while the dawgs are nearby. Can you imagine the game being played in Valdosta? that will light up the whole south Georgia in fire. That’ll be a better tradition, believe me.

B-Reel

May 19th, 2009
4:34 pm

Dear Bulldog fans, the game can be played on lake lanier and the results would be the same. There’s no Gator advantage when the staduim is half red and half blue. If anything your Bulldogs have less pressure, since us Gators expect a win.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
4:35 pm

CMR could have 2 more wins if DJ wasn’t injured in one and DJ didn’t throw an interception in another. UGA didn’t get those breaks. The point isn’t to cry about it. But that UGA has had their chances and the field would not change the outcome of either game.

cajdawg

May 19th, 2009
4:36 pm

I am so tired of this argument. This series should be home and home.

We are like f…g idiotic lemmings marching down to Jacksonville every year (every other year for our “home game”) TO PLAY THE GAME ONE HOUR FROM FLORIDA’S CAMPUS. If we can’t see stupidity in this we deserve to lose every year.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:37 pm

Otto

That is retarded. That is like saying Florida would have won two more games if Tebow wasnt hurt or we didnt just fire Zook. 16-3, live with it.

Trey

May 19th, 2009
4:37 pm

The game won’t move and shouldn’t but don’t tell me that UF doesn’t have an advantage!!!

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
4:40 pm

H i g:

Thanks, I stand corrected.

Can we count on UGA to soften up the Bayou Bengals on Oct. 3rd in Athens, while we have a week off to prepare for our trip to Baton Rouge?

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:41 pm

Cajdawg

50-50 inside and UGA fans had a lot of fun winning in the 70’s and 80’s. It is stupid to do the same thing over and over expecting a differnt result. Get a better team, win more SEC titles, and win more National titles and then talk about it. Move the SEC game out of Atlanta. I mean, it is 1 hour from your campus. All of the SEC must be stupid to play a game that close to UGA.

WHY IS IT OKL DOESN’T CRY ABOUT PLAYING INT TEXAS FOR THE RED RIVER? UGA fans cry more than anyone.

Hershal is gay

May 19th, 2009
4:42 pm

Someone tell me what advantage. Traveling 1 hour to their hotel on Friday instead of flying 1 hour to their hotel. Also, someone show me how a bus is supposed to go from Gainesville to the hotel in Jakcsonville in an hour. Seriously!!!

Tell me how it isnt an advantage for UGA playing in Atlanta for the title game!!!!! I am waiting!!!!!!

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
4:47 pm

Cajdawg:

Once more:

UGA won 15 of 19 from 1971 to 1989.

We dreaded the beat-down every year too.

cajdawg

May 19th, 2009
4:47 pm

Hershal,

I believe the SEC championship game should be rotated (maybe Superdome, Atl., Nashville, etc.) This is not a valid argument, unfortunately UGA does not play in the SEC Championship every year- UGA and UF do play in Jacksonville every year.
Also, the Red River rivalry is halfway between the campuses and practically on the state line. Do you think Oklahoma would play in San Antonio every year? Of course not.

CharlotteGator

May 19th, 2009
4:47 pm

No kidding G8R GRAD, didn’t realize I was jinxing it.

Also, the “move the SECCG then because that’s unfair in ATL” argument from Gator fans is a weak response to UGA’s complaints. Atlanta is by far the best place for the SECCG when you think of the conference as a whole. Not to mention, getting to Atlanta is a much cooler goal than getting to Tampa, or Chattanooga, or Birmingham, like the SEC has tried w/ the Bball tourney (does the SEC still play bball by the way?).

Not sure the home and home would be a great idea either. I know it’s juvenile, but I’d much rather beat Georgia in JAX when the stadium is split, than beat them at Ben Hill. Beating UGA in Athens is fairly appealing, but not enough reason to move the game. It’s a special game/event/weekend and only those who haven’t gone would argue otherwise.

Also, people have been asking for the student opinion. I know as a student, I loved going up 301 and heading to JAX in the unofficial ‘Gator Parade’ on Friday night. I also have UGA friends who said their Fall Break’s were planned around this trip, so it’s not just boosters and rich alumns who enjoy the event.

B-Reel

May 19th, 2009
4:49 pm

Here’s our advantage….we invite you Bulldogs to J-ville to play and like when you were kids you’re afraid to go in the fridge to take what you want, while we push you around.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
4:54 pm

Cajdawg:

Our perspectives are diametrically opposed:

UGA’s dominance of UF for two decades in the 70’s and 80’s leaves you with unmet expectations, while our dominance of UGA for the last 19 years is a “brave new world” for us!

CharlotteGator

May 19th, 2009
4:56 pm

Foolishness…no one complained about the game in ‘07 being in JAX. In fact the only thing I remember was “Tebow sucks, he didn’t play defense.” “We told you Stafford was better” and “This is the beginning of us turning it around, we aren’t taking it from Florida any more”.

Let’s not have short memories.

By the same token, we Gators can’t feel like we’ve dominated the SEC since 90. Reference the Zook years, that little team from Auburn, and pretty good battles/matchups with the fighting Bear Bryant’s. Oh yeah, and what is it with teams from Mississippi.

Otto

May 19th, 2009
4:57 pm

Herschel it is 2 games where CMR was very close but didn’t win the game. Yes if Tebow was healthy he may not have lost that game. CMR has been very close to winning the WLOCP every year but last year and his first. He lost on bad breaks and scheduling not location.

If anything being on the road may have helped in ‘06. UF clearly had a better team but UGA lost by 7. CMR teams have always traveled well.

Huh?

May 19th, 2009
4:58 pm

Jesus does Florida get an off week before every single big game it plays? Tennessee: Usually an off week before that game. LSU: Off week. Georgia: Usually an off week before that game. And if they aren’t getting off weeks their playing Vandy, Kentucky, or West Lafayette Girls College before all their big games. I mean am I the only one that sees the insanity of this? Look at Florida’s schedules over the years. Its unbelievable. They might as well move the SEC front office to freaking Gainesville and have Jeremy Foley take over the whole league. It won’t make much difference.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
5:00 pm

CharlotteGator:

Ouch!
Okay Coach Donovan’s boys haven’t lived up top expectations after back-to-back NC’s in ‘06 & ‘07, but we continue onward and upward!
Just because you now reside in basketball heaven gives you little cause to slight the SEC’s roundball program!

Blah

May 19th, 2009
5:00 pm

If the location doesn’t matter, why not have it at the GA dome every year?

Otto

May 19th, 2009
5:03 pm

G8R Grad, You can be honest like Charlotte. UF has dominated the SEC like the Bear did over the past 20 not just UGA.

Charlotte, I watched the ‘07 game and I knew UGA would not get a fair call in the game in ‘08. CMR may have cost himself his job and fair calls last season by dancing on the field. I was surprised by the move and disappointed even if it was supposed to be just the players on the field. Taunting is not UGA football. Herschel handing the ball to the ref and walking off the field is UGA football. Granted I did enjoy the win while it lasted.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
5:07 pm

Blah:

Read the above 234 comments.

G8R GRAD

May 19th, 2009
5:09 pm

Otto:
How/where/when was I being dishonest?

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
5:11 pm

Huh?:

It’s so we can go to the beach and catch up on our tans!

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
5:15 pm

B-Reel:

“. . . we invite you Bulldogs to J-ville to play and like when you were kids you’re afraid to go in the fridge to take what you want, while we push you around.”

That’s as great a metaphor as I’ve ever read!

Georgia Gator

May 19th, 2009
5:15 pm

Or is it an analogy?

Lenny in Ludowici

May 19th, 2009
5:27 pm

Otto – Taunting is not Georgia Football? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. What games have you been watching? Wait, I know. Usually after the game is out of hand the taunting subsides. That’s what you meant.

As for our dear contributor who boldly stated that “nobody” can say that UF has a distinct advantage in Jax, I would assume you read all these posts, didn’t you?

After all the whinning I’ve seen on here I’m convinced that UGA should change their colors from Red and Black to Bloodshot eyes pink with a hint of magenta.

murfdawg

May 19th, 2009
5:48 pm

If some of you so called Dawg fans think it is hot in Jax, wait until you get out to Stillwater in Sept. Why don’t you blame UGAs poor showing the last 19 years on “Global Warming”. It makes about as much sense as blaming the trip to Jax.As I posted earlier, there was a time when men were men and the Dawgs were beating the gators. Hopefully, UGA will start winning again, and the whining will stop.

SECSEC

May 19th, 2009
5:48 pm

Sounds like this man has cut his teeth at fsu where Miami got in their head and they just couldn’t pull out a win. At least they never came up with the embarassing “humidity” excuse…have some dang pride or it may be time to cut him loose!! When a coach wants to change 75 years of tradition…something that’s gone on for twice the man’s lifetime so flippantly…I’d change him out, rather than the location…

SoCal Dawg

May 19th, 2009
6:16 pm

Wow what a touching story Barnhart. Who cares? That kind of crap is meant for your diary not for the AJC. We don’t care about your bromance.

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
6:37 pm

Atlanta Gator, that must have been a function of the new format for a while. I guess I have graduated from being merely lower case. I’ve been accused of being simple minded, even past tense a few times lately though.

Hey, is it true that Tim Tebow can drive the team bus to the stadium an hour before the game. I keep hearing that. Does he pick it up and carry it, or just mow over everything in his way?

Palatka Gator

May 19th, 2009
6:42 pm

If the game moves to home and home for Florida and Georgia then every other year, at least 30,000 fans who attend the game every year will not be able to go because it will be treated like every other home game and only about 10,000 tickets will be available for the visiting team. Even if it moves to the Georgia Dome occasionally, there will be approximately 4-5,000 peoplewho will not be able to attend beacause it is smaller. If all the fans who like to attend every year would like to keep going, the only choice is to keep it in Jax.

Gen Neyland

May 19th, 2009
7:54 pm

The GA Dome is a nice place to visit (once a year), and the best time to visit the Dome is in December. Other than that, let FL and GA build a stadium right on the dang state line, 50-50…mullets to the left, fins to the right…

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
7:58 pm

which one is which?

AltamahaDawg

May 19th, 2009
8:08 pm

I think that’s: mullets to the left, fade with a #3, round it and even em up, to the right.

GatorsMax

May 19th, 2009
9:37 pm

It doesn’t matter what Richt does or where they play. Florida will blow out Georgia this year easy with Tebow (look for meyer to really run it up good) and next 2 years with Brantley, who may be the best passing QB in the country. He’s a superstar in the making. Florida owns georgia, so they want to move the game to atlanta and all those thugs.

KennesawDawg

May 19th, 2009
9:43 pm

Florida has a big advantage in Jacksonville and the game should be moved to Atlanta or Athens right away, where Ga has a better chance. Florida has an easy bus ride to the game, while Ga has to travel hours on buses and planes to get to the game. Plus, Florida’s used to the hotter weather, while Ga players don’t get to practice in that heat. Also, Ga fans get hosed every year by the hotels in jax marking everything up, while Florida fans just drive to the game that day, then go home. If they move the game to Georgia, the Dawgs will win a lot more and start winning national titles!

GaDawg

May 19th, 2009
10:12 pm

I am a senior at the University of Georgia and have been at this school all four years. After applying all four years, the athletic department has yet to grant me a ticket to the Georgia-Florida game in Jacksonville. My situation is no different than thousands of other undergraduate students. Because money rules this game, it is terribly hard for students to attend. A majority of students who do attend this game use plenty of outside money and resources in order to get a ticket and make the trip. Fortunately, I’ve been able to do that in two of the four years that I’ve been a student My ticket came from scalpers for a pretty penty.

The fact remains that this game is ruled by money. The money of Jacksonville, the Athletic Departments, and of even alumni. Furthermore, there is an unfair advantage. Florida reaps the profits and the economy of Georgia sees very little. UGA students feel the most burn. The resulting consequences on the field are highly debatable. My opinion is that UF at least has a psychological mindset that gives them an advantage in Jacksonville.

This game needs to be moved out of Jacksonville, at least for every other season. It should be rotated between Jacksonville and Atlanta, or it should be moved back to the campuses.

blazerdawg

May 19th, 2009
10:30 pm

Until they build a 90,000 seat stadium in Brunswick, Valdosta or Savannah, keep the modern day “Battle of Bloody Marsh” in Jacksonville. It is pratically a state holiday for South Georgia that has meaning beyond the football game!

scott

May 19th, 2009
10:36 pm

What Tony, and the rest of you fail to mention is the bye week, which Florida has had all along, and UGA has not. Maybe UGA should start the scheduling with a bye week before the game in Florida, it would make more sense.

Other than that, I like the Home/Home, Dome/Jax set up, I think that would be great and still keep some tradition.

Frozen_Gator

May 19th, 2009
10:40 pm

Why are we surprised that CMR wants to change the tradition of Ga/Fl. Let’s see…….QB at scUM………OC for CBB at f$u……….and coach for the pups. That has to be the most disgusting pedigree in the history of college coaching. BTW I felt f$u left some championships on the table when CMR was there, looks like this trend may be continuing at Ga. Strap it we’ll play you in the parking lot.

mexdawg

May 19th, 2009
10:54 pm

Again you guys are missing the key point.We need this game in Jax for RECUITING in south Ga and north Fl.We can not afford to give south ga to FSU like we did in the 90’s when they had all their great teams.Go back and see how many of those players came from south Ga I promise you will be shocked.Mark Richt of all people should know this he was at FSU at the time.Do not move this game coach it will cost you your job over the long term if you do.You can beat the water lizzards anywhere just coach em up and LET THE BIG DAWG EAT.

Rob

May 19th, 2009
11:18 pm

Fantastic view. The reason this game is so great is because of the location. Regardless of what all the homers say the “Dome” and Atlanta just is not the same

Michael

May 19th, 2009
11:38 pm

I could personally care less about all the tradition and vacations that surround this game for some people. That’s nice and all, but don’t require a football game to schedule your events for you. I’d rather see 92,000 people fill Sanford Stadium every other year and about the same fill The Swamp on the other years. I’ve seen big rivalries played in neutral sites (this one, Auburn-Alabama), and I’ve seen the big ones at campuses. Seeing Alabama at Auburn was just awesome, a few notches above anything in Birmingham.

Another reason is I’m selfish and I’d rather see Athens hotel rooms get all that business than Jacksonville hotel rooms. They’ve got the Jaguars now, so don’t worry about them.

Ringleader

May 19th, 2009
11:41 pm

Well, to really get a good look at this, we need to move the game to the Georgia Dome for the next 50 years, you know, like it has been in Jax. Then take a good look at the results and decide if we want it in Jax or Atlanta, or maybe go home and home.

DaveDawg

May 19th, 2009
11:42 pm

The games needs to be moved to home and home. Just because it’s a “tradition” doesn’t make it right. That said, CMR also needs to man-up and show a little fire. The end-zone celebration against the Gators in 2007 was genius, and I hope he remembers Urban’s timeouts in the final minute of 2008 for motivation. This game, as are all games involving college-aged kids – is partly about emotion, and CMR needs to learn a little something from Meyer and Saban and, lord, even Les Miles, about firing up your team. All of those coaches have won the national championship, and I don’t see CMR – the even-keeled “Bobby Cox” of college coaches – ever generating enough drive in his players to actually “finish the drill.”

turkey

May 20th, 2009
12:24 am

Jacksonville has nothing to do with UGA’s poor preformance the past 20 years. The real reason is Jeremy Foley. Since he has been AD Florida has excelled at every sport and those coaches that cannot live up to his expectations are gone. This has been and will continue to be UGA’s problem, keeping dead wood around too long. See Ray Goff, Dennis Felton, and of course Willie Martinez.

Todd Dawg

May 20th, 2009
12:40 am

Nailed it , thank you Tony. We need to go down and beat Fl w/o any celebration. Just focus and beat them because we want it more. They don’t want it, they expect to just play and win because that’s what they’ve done. Who’s going to step up and turn this thing around?

Sid

May 20th, 2009
2:15 am

Thanks Tony for explaining how every year the bigger contributors get tickets to the GA-FL game while those of us who don’t have quite that much money have to stay home!Go to a home and home schedule so that more UGA fans can see the _ A M N game every other year. I lost a lot of respect for you after reading this article!

AltamahaDawg

May 20th, 2009
7:38 am

The problem when a topic get to page 3 is that folks start rehashing points, appearantly unaware that they have been sufficiently refuted 2 pages back.

rick

May 20th, 2009
8:27 am

The only person that should be considered in this equation is the coach and he wants it moved. Move the game.

Southern Cross Gator

May 20th, 2009
8:28 am

The UGA fans that do want the game moved (and I know it isn’t all) simply have no appreciation for the tradition of the event itself that is the Florida-Georgia game. The fact that UF has won the lion’s share of late should not dictate a change in venue. It certainly didn’t result in a move during Vince Dooley’s reign of terror over UF for 25 years. The simple fact is that Spurrier gave all us Gators a collective kick in the rear and said “STOP MAKING EXCUSES, and let’s just win the game!” No matter what any theory Evans or any UGA fan wanting the game moved tries to advance, the fact remains Barnhart doesn’t write this story if UGA is 16-3 in the last 19 years instead of 3-16. Hell, this isn’t even being talked about if it fairly even like 10-9 in one or the other’s favor. It boils down to this: UF got tired of losing to UGA and did something about it since Spurrier, Meyer, and yes even Zook for all you Zook bashers who was 2-1 himself in 3 years that included games against 2 SEC Championship teams that UGA had. IF UGA no longer wants this to be a topic of discussion, here’s how to fix it…win the game!

dale

May 20th, 2009
9:07 am

Semmi: That is the way it has always been… It is tradition.

Prince Akeem: But it is also tradition that times must and always do change, my friend.

Coming to America

ugafanatic

May 20th, 2009
11:01 am

It shouldnt matter where you play a damn game. If your team is better you win the game. I live in jax and look forward to the game every year. If the game goes home and home, we still would get rapped like bama did us anf florida does every year so shut up and nut up

AltamahaDawg

May 20th, 2009
11:14 am

Sid they don’t get tickets, they buy tickets. Same as home games. Folks with more money buy more groceries too. College football games are not govenment handouts. Nor a right.

And the argument that “more” folks could see it just doesn’t add up. Over a 2 year cycle it’s the same. Maybe a different set of folks would elect to see it, but that is a choice.

And there hasn’t been a game in J-ville that you cant buy a single ticket for 125-200 if you were really serious about going, which is exactly what the game in Athens is going to cost.

And anyone suggesting that J-ville areas room rates are unfairly jacked up, obviously has never tried to staying in Athens during a football weekend. (or oblivious to what Atlanta is going to do with room rates for that game if it moves). I suggest staying 40 minutes from the stadium across the line in Georgia. Solves about 90% of the excuses I have heard. Although that will not make a football team that is not as good win a football game.

My guess is that, if finances are your big factor (and trust me I am all too aware of the financial aspects of attending a UGA football game), you are probably going to need to watch it on TV no matter where its played. So let the folks who elect to pay for it, no matter where it is, decide where they want to see it. How is that unfair?

richtfan

May 20th, 2009
11:43 am

Tony,

Are you saying that this is some type of sacred tradition and that another tradition can’t be started to replace it? that’s how “traditions” become what they are. they have to start with year 1 and move on to become a 75 year thing. it doesn’t start out at year 75 the first year.

we need to start a new tradition with this game in a different venue that does not benefit UF.

Sid

May 20th, 2009
12:03 pm

Thanks Alta..Dawg.I appreciate your obvious but really unnecessary comment re: “get vs. “buy”.I’ve never stolen a ticket. I was referring to “getting” or being assigned a higher priority based upon one’s contribution.I still support home and home even if my measly contribution forces me to watch it on TV.I contribute whether I get tickets or not.

By the way-how’s fishing in the river? I can’t come to “Two Way”. I’m saving my money for a trip to J’ville so I possibly can get ripped by a scalper.

And folks can party and get drunk in either Athens or Gainesville. Fun and drunkedness aren’t always about location !

UGA_2001

May 20th, 2009
12:11 pm

Tony,

You and your friends are the problem. You are more concerned about your social lives than with Georgia winning championships. But it isn’t just you and your friends- it is the entire fanbase.

That is why this program will never be more than just “good”. Right or wrong, Georgia fans simply do not care enough about winning and neither does the leadership at this university.

Doug

May 20th, 2009
1:34 pm

I too was always in favor of keeping the game in Jax for some of the same reasons until this last year. We had to fly down Friday night after Halloween because we have kids, which resulted in us having to stay in Jacksonville. That experience reminded me of why I switched from Amelia Island to St. Simons 12 years ago. The hotels gouge us, not the arrive on gameday florida fans, the staffs at hotels restaurants and in the stadium itself are flat hostile, and I noticed that everyone pulled over by an officer on the way to the game was a UGA fan. Why should we put up with that when we’re clearly contributing the lion’s share of the money Jax receives? Maybe they’ve “thrown” some stuff in for Dooley in the past, but not the average fan. In these economic times, don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining with your 3 and 4 night minimums at $250/night at the Residence Inn, etc. Atlanta could use some of that money if only to fix the potholes. In deference to our South GA fans, I think the game should rotate every year between the GA Dome and Jax. Atlanta will benefit, the school will save on travel, and the reptiles will get a taste of hotel gouging and bogus tickets.

DawgsonTop

May 20th, 2009
2:24 pm

The only way Georgia is going to start winning these games is to move the game to Athens. Florida has a big advantage in Jacksonville—so if Damon Evans and Mark Richt want to win more games, move it to Athens, not downtown Atlanta. Florida plays there almost every year in the SEC title game and does well. Ga needs a real home field advantage in Athens. I’m tired of losing to these obnoxious Gator fans every year. MOVE it now!

AltamahaDawg

May 20th, 2009
3:08 pm

Sid, fishing stinks.
Try Ebay for that ticket next time.
MY point is that a game in Athens is not any cheaper than J-ville for the fans. Well ok, for some fans it is, for some fans it is not. And for the latter, we pay dearly to attend UGA games the rest of the year. So there is winners and losers in either. Also the universities would each give away over a million a year to move it to home and home.

Okay now, some of these “dawgs” are so over the top cliche’ that they have to be gator fans posing just to make fun of us.

ugafanatic

May 20th, 2009
5:35 pm

*dawgson* How does Florida have an advantage? Fl 1:30 bus ride, Ga 1:30 plane ride(tops and thats pushing it). stadium is 50/50, 100 yds long and 40 yds wide.Where is the advantage? Coaching! Why would you want it to go back to Athens so they can hang 52 on us again? We sure dont have a problem winning in the crappy citrus bowl, which is a further trip. The bottom line is Florida is better and we nut up when we play them.*

Southern Cross Gator

May 20th, 2009
8:40 pm

1970 – 1989 UGA wins 15, UF wins 5.
During this time, where was any of the following aformentioned countless times “concerns” of UGA fans….

“Hey, I’m tired of Jacksonville getting the economic boost by having the game.”

“Hey, we have to travel further because we ALL know every UF fan is within driving distance of Jax.” (Which of course isn’t true.)

“Hey, I’m glad we beat the Gators again but I can’t seem to enjoy myself beacuse Jacksonville and not Athens or Atlanta was the beneficiary of the boosted economy due to the game.”

“Hey I know we beat the Gators again but this game was played on Florida soil and as such, it just isn’t worth enjoying. Even though we won, we’re being cheated.”

This crap about wanting to move the game has nothing to do with the results of the last 19 years is just that, CRAP! There’s no shame in being pissed about going 3-16 of late but come the hell on Dawg fans. Quit trying to sell the idea that the desire to move the game has nothing to do with the recent results of the game. What a load!

David

May 21st, 2009
5:25 pm

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Gator T

June 2nd, 2009
2:24 pm

doesn’t matter where it is played…the Gators will win there,,,just like they did in Athens :>)

ds32223

June 27th, 2009
2:18 pm

Gainesville is actually more than “an hour” away, but it makes for good print to say an hour.

ds32223

June 27th, 2009
2:24 pm

I live in Jacksonville, and there are many, many Georgia fans here. We are right on the border of Florida/Georgia it is absurd to think that Jacksonville City as a whole is biased. My mother is from Georgia. You know nothing about the region or the city if you say that. Also growing up I remember Georgia winning every year and never did I hear a complaint from UGA fans to move the game and interesting enough no shouts to play in the Swamp either. Wonder why that is.

ds32223

June 27th, 2009
2:29 pm

GaDawg the Florida students can’t get tickets either. Most are gobbled up by alumni. Jacksonville is near the Florida/Georgia border and it’s the grown ups with money that attend this game, both of whom live in either state. It is a huge money maker yes, but don’t forget the t-shirts, flags etc. that Georgia sells and they also share in the stadium profits so it isn’t only Florida making money.

EARNEST DAVIS

November 1st, 2009
1:14 pm

HOW IN THE HELL CAN THE GA-FLA GAME BE A MUTUAL SITE, IT IS PLAYED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR HEAVEN SAKES. IT IS ALWAYS A
ROAD GAME FOR GA. I DO NOT CARE IF GA WINS EVERY TIME AT JACKSONVILLE!, PLAY EVERY OTHER GAME IN ATHENS WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. HECK AT ONE TIME GA ALWAYS PLAYED AUBURN IN COLUMBUS, GA BUT THINK GOODNESS THEY STOPPED THAT/

Paul

September 5th, 2010
8:41 pm

So, tradition just for the tradition’s sake? Sounds like people with money are set in their ways and don’t want to give up their condos. Home and home is the way it should be. I’m not driving down to Florida to watch a “home team” play a game on the road. (For what it’s worth, I’m an Auburn fan, so the Georgia-Florida game doesn’t matter much to me, other than how unfair it is.)