NFL still loves the ACC, SEC
Spring practice is officially over. The NFL Draft is officially over. So what did we learn over the weekend?
The NFL still loves the ACC, SEC: As we told you last Friday, over the past five drafts before Saturday the SEC (191) and the ACC (176) have had more draft picks than any of the nine other Division I-A conferences. In Saturday’s first round the SEC had three of the first six picks, four of the top 12 and five of the top 18.
ACC had four of the first nine and nine of the first 45, which was more than any other conference.
The SEC had eight first-round selections and the ACC had five. So 13 of the first 32 players chosen in the first round of the draft, over 40 percent, came from those two conferences. The final totals in the draft were, by conference:
CONFERENCE—–SEC—-ACC—-PAC-10—-BT—B12—-BE
Total picks———-37——-33——-32——-28—-28——27
Here is the SEC and ACC breakdown by school.
ACC DRAFT PICKS BY SCHOOL
Atlantic: Boston College 2; Florida State 1; Clemson 4; Maryland 5; N.C. State 2; Wake Forest 4.
Coastal: Duke 0, Georgia Tech 4, Miami 1, North Carolina 5; Virginia 4, Virginia Tech 1.
Notice that Florida State and Miami had only one player drafted each while six other schools, including Georgia Tech, had four of more players chosen. Miami’s streak of 14 straight drafts with a first-round choice was broken.
SEC DRAFT PICKS BY SCHOOL
East: Florida 3; Georgia 6; Kentucky 1; South Carolina 7; Tennessee 1; Vanderbilt 1.
West: Alabama 4; Arkansas 1; Auburn 3; LSU 6; Ole Miss 4; Miss. State 0.
Notice that South Carolina led all schools in the SEC with seven draft choices.
My two favorite draft stories were Michael Oher of Ole Miss and Aaron Curry of Wake Forest.
Oher’s story has been chronicled in a book, “The Blind Side,” which is being made into a movie, portions of which were shot at Georgia Tech. Oher was abandoned and homeless as a teenager in Memphis. He was taken in and eventually adopted by Sean and Leigh Anne Tuohy. Oher had every right to be angry at the world. But instead he used his energy to make the most of his opportunity. He was taken by the Ravens as the 23rd player in the first round.
Curry is a testament to what determination and good coaching can do for a player. Curry was not a highly recruited player out of E.E. Smith high school in Fayetteville, N.C. He was small, just over 190 pounds. Wake Forest and East Carolina were the only Division I-A scholarship offers he had. Former Georgia assistant Brad Lambert, now the defensive coordinator at Wake Forest, was convinced that Curry was going to be a great player.
“I remember Brad asking me to watch film of Aaron so that I didn’t think he was making stuff up,” head coach Jim Grobe said. “Brad said: ‘Do you see what I see?’ And I did. It was clear that if Aaron could put on some weight he would be something special.”
It took five years at Wake Forest but Curry eventually grew to 6-2, 254 pounds. On Saturday Curry was taken by the Seahawks as the fourth player in the first round.
Two more reasons why I don’t understand the NFL: Vanderbilt’s D.J. Moore lasted until the fourth round (119th pick) and Florida State’s Everette Brown was not taken until the second round (43rd pick).
Moore had 13 career interceptions and was one of the better all-purpose players in the SEC. He averaged 19.4 yards per kickoff return and 14.4 yards per punt return. Various reports said he ran a relatively slow 40-yard dash time at the combine and at Vanderbilt’s Pro Day. That’s something I’ve never understood about the NFL. This guy excelled against the best competition in college football. He can PLAY. How do you ignore that and base a decision on some numbers on a stopwatch?
Florida State’s Brown led the ACC in tackles for loss (21.5) and sacks (13.5) last season. Some thought he was a “tweener” at 6-2, 256. Again, reports were that his 40 time was a little slow.
Both guys were juniors and it looks like both could have used a senior year to increase their draft stock.
Andre Smith is one talented but very lucky guy: I was glad to see that after a series of bad decisions that could have cost him dearly, Alabama OT Andre Smith was the No. 6 player picked in the draft by the Bengals.
Not long ago it looked like Smith, the Outland Trophy winner, had blown his chance at becoming a wealthy man. He was suspended for the Sugar Bowl after it was determined that he or someone connected to him had had contact with an agent’s representative. He shows up at the NFL combine out of shape and then doesn’t work out. He then leaves the combine without telling anybody and gets a ton of well-deserved bad press.
Smith got his bacon saved because he fired his first agent and hired a pro in Rick Smith. Andre is also lucky because Alabama coach Nick Saban went to bat for him with the NFL teams who wanted the real skinny on this kid.
This should be a cautionary tale, especially to juniors who enter the NFL Draft. Two lessons: 1) Hire a proven agent and do what he says; 2) If you want to be a professional then ACT like a professional. If you’re not sure how to act, then refer back to Rule 1.
The B.J. Coleman decision is best for both sides: The people I talk to tell me that Tennessee’s coaches were caught completely off guard when sophomore quarterback B.J. Coleman announced last week that he was going to transfer to another school. Coleman told his hometown newspaper in Chattanooga that he didn’t think he would get a “fair shake” from the new coaching staff. Coleman felt he had made it clear in spring practice that he should have the job ahead of senior Jonathan Crompton. I think Coleman could have chosen his words more carefully because it makes no sense to suggest that Lane Kiffin would play a lesser quarterback in this league. Conspiracy theorists say Kiffin wants to play a senior to open the door to sign the quarterback of the future next February. That doesn’t make any sense either. Coaches take the talent they have on hand and build the best possible team for that season.
The reality is that Coleman’s decision is probably the best for both parties. If he had been head and shoulders better than Crompton in the spring, then he would have the edge going into fall camp. The truth is that none of the three Tennessee quarterbacks—Crompton, Coleman, and Nick Stephens–were really setting the world on fire.
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AltamahaDawg
April 27th, 2009
7:30 am
SC with 7? Spurrier has to be somewhere near the top in term of active coaches that have sent guys to the NFL.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
7:46 am
Does that say that Stephanus Maximus is past his prime? Maybe Spurrier needs to hang up his saddle!!! What is surprising to me is FSU and Miami having a total of 2 players drafted!!!! And by the way, the Bengals had a early Christmas gift with Maulauga falling to them in the second round, and THE CRYPT KEEPER aka AL Davis is still an idiot!!!!!!!
Mac
April 27th, 2009
8:15 am
Coleman was head-and-shoulders better than Crompton this spring.
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GeoffDawg
April 27th, 2009
8:34 am
I think the bigger question for SC fans would be why hasn’t Spurrier done more with what’s apparently a lot of stockpiled NFL talent at his disposal? Has the ole’ ball coach gotten a tad lazy with his innovations? He’s practically not even good for a memorable quote anymore these days.
Matt
April 27th, 2009
8:40 am
Man, Tony, you’re a figgin genius. Seeing as how the SEC has 12 teams, and the Pac 10 has 10 teams, that 5 player advantage isn’t such a big deal. Of course these two conferences have more players drafted … they’re all in the south, and both conferences hasve 12 teams. The other conferences are in the north and have fewer teams.
RAMBLE ON!!!
April 27th, 2009
8:41 am
These numbers don’t add up to your 20% coverage of the ACC and 80% coverage of the SEC Tony. Hmmmmm
Dink
April 27th, 2009
8:42 am
Crompton looks great in practice but come game time, it’s the “deer in the headlights” look. Or maybe he just doesn’t want to take his shirt off.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
8:45 am
I totally agree with the Coleman comments Tony – in that winning should be the goal, not having a UT wild boyz top recruiting class. Its almost like the tail wagging the dog. If there is any truth to the situation than Lane Kiffin is a moron. Why would Coleman make this up?
Triple Option dominance is coming…..
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43rd Parallel
April 27th, 2009
8:49 am
If you calculate it on a per-team basis, the Big East had the highest average of players drafted (27 draftees, 8 teams, 3.375 picks per team). So much for preconceptions.
MonVol
April 27th, 2009
8:55 am
Coleman just wanted the job in April, and Kiffin wasn’t ready to name anyone the starter yet. Had he been patient and worked hard this summer, Coleman would’ve probably won the job.
Brian in Athens
April 27th, 2009
8:55 am
Tony, a couple of years ago I saw a report that said UGA was 3rd in players in the NFL behind only FSU and Miami. Anyone know how that list look now with UGA placing 6 more this year (plus any free agents that may find a home, possibly Brannan Southerland) and FSU and Miami only having 1 player each drafted?
Nachos
April 27th, 2009
9:03 am
Gene Chizik????? hahaahahahhaahhahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
BigMike
April 27th, 2009
9:04 am
First, it is a testament to Nick Saban that he looks out for his players with tough love. The forty time thing is soooo over rated, are you telling me that a kid who runs a 4.3 out of San Jose St is better than a 4.55 guy in the SEC? In the long run you will see why this kid played in the SEC, and the other at SJSU.Acc guys congrats on being a silver medal winner, but we all know that the SEC is Big Boy Ball, so finishing #1 isn’t a suprise, it’s expected. All you other out siders who complain that your conference have fewer teams, or less coverage, LISTEN, there is a reason that you have less of both, it’s simple, people want to go where the best is, the SEC , is simply the best conference in college football. P.S. You can switch, we won’t tell!
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
9:09 am
Mike Is that why the ACC went 6-4 against the SEC in the 08 season? or why the current ACC has the most players in the NFL? (Tony never did the existing numbers by current conference alignment) The SEC will not be dominant in the next 10 years
Cuz
April 27th, 2009
9:17 am
Insert 45-42 here.
KR
April 27th, 2009
9:21 am
“Nachos”: it’s time for you to find some new material.
Maybe you should try some objective analysis of something.
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
9:21 am
Crompton might do better this year without the Clawson system, but odds are that he will materialize into a bust given his ineptitude last year. This leaves Kiffin in a real pickle. He will then need to choose between a true freshman and Stephens in 2010.
This sets him up for a second crummy season in a row (and a 3d consecutive season of bad football for UT). The natives will be restless and the pressure will be on Kiffin sort of like it is on Weiss this year. Year 3 for him will be crunch time. I predict he will fold like a napkin because of team dissension, off field incidents, an Orgeron-gate of some kind and poor talent development.
Call me an optimist!
what?
April 27th, 2009
9:22 am
Coleman had a better spring than Crompton in terms of stats but remember Coleman was throwing against the 2nd team defense so in the end it evens him out with Crompton because even though he hasn’t been good, Crompton has starting experience and Coleman doesn’t and Crompton played against Tennessee’s 1st team d so he has a leg up there. It doesn’t matter because either quarterback isn’t going to be that great.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
9:22 am
GT Fans,
Get over the 3 point UGA win!!!!! YOU GOT TRUCKED BY THE SEC’s 5TH BEST TEAM IN YOUR BOWL!!!!!!!! I would be more worried about getting punked in your hometown bowl than a 3 point win over “THE NO SHOWS”!!!! Got to find a positive somewhere I guess!!!!!
Eric
April 27th, 2009
9:24 am
The Bengals have a history of drafting problem children. Now they’ve done it again.
jacketbacker
April 27th, 2009
9:25 am
good column tony…..it just proves once again that the ACC is a quality football conference….the SEC blowhards that continually blog about their conference being the only one that prepares kids for the ” next level” have no idea what they are talking about….i’m sure the Tech coaches will use this info to our advantage….
jacketbacker
April 27th, 2009
9:27 am
saint nick….45-42!!!!!!!….who can’t get over it????
PTC Jacket
April 27th, 2009
9:30 am
Saint Nick:
No, we’re allowed to brag all we want to for a year.
whitx2
April 27th, 2009
9:34 am
The way Lane kiffin has started out, how can anyone tell if he knows what he is doing. I guess we’ll see.
Tony, i didn’t see any of the draft after the 240th pick. Did John Parker Wilson get drafted? If so, what team and when did he go? Thanks
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
9:39 am
Saint Nick – according to all the Bama fans I know the bowl games really don’t “mean anything” (especially since Bama was taken behind the woodshed and beaten like an adopted Korean by a mountain west team) In fact it was YOUR FAULT Bama lost (according to Saban) and congrats to the Ohio State buckeyes who set a spring game attendance record as well as getting the #1 recruiting class this year.
dawg4lyf
April 27th, 2009
9:41 am
Bragging rights for the Jackets…only hear that once a decade so I guess it isn’t that big of a deal…
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
9:47 am
We got beat by the #1 and #2 teams in the country and were 4 minutes away from playing in the BCSNCG!!! THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE THAN GETTING TRUCKED BY 35 BY A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SEC TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monticello Dawg
April 27th, 2009
9:47 am
What would the odds have been 10 years ago if someone had suggested that Wake Forest would have twice as many NFL draftees as FSU and Miami combined?
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
9:51 am
Bama was overrated. Your all time record setting qb didn’t even get drafted.
Tiderising
April 27th, 2009
10:00 am
Bhamwreck,
Don’t know why you posted the ACC 6-4 edge over the SEC in the regular season. Um, I think you forgot that we punked you in the 2 bowl games to make it 6-6. Your conference runner up Boston College gotten taken down by Vandy which is traditionally the sec doormat and hadn’t been to a bowl game since 1982. Then Tech got blasted by 35 points to an LSU team that won only 3 sec games the whole year.
Also, a closer examination of the 12 games reveals that when that the acc got half of those 6 wins over the 2 traditionally worse teams in the sec in Vandy and Miss. St. Then they got a narrow 3 pt win over the dawgs. Then there was the narrow Wake win over Ole Miss in the last minute that came with 2 highly questionable officiating calls against Ole Miss on the final drive. I imagine the 6th win for the ACC was also a squeaker.
Meanwhile, when the SEC won their games over the sec it was usually of blowout proportions Bama 34-10 over Clemson, UF 45-20 over FSU, LSU 38-3 over Tech, LSU 48-7 over conference champion Va tech(actually I think this humiliation was probably in 07), etc.
Let’s face it. You won several squeakers, half of them against our 2 traditional doormats, and then you got blown out in the rest of the games against the SEC. Now shut up and go back to your corner.
DirtyDawg
April 27th, 2009
10:01 am
The Coleman kid will be able to play for his hometown team, UTC, with a new coach and a new attitude and he won’t have to sit out a year…but most of all he’ll be shed of that 3-ring circus that young Mr. Kiffin has created up in Knoxville. Way too many UT fans I know are embarrassed by his actions, think he’s an arrogant jerk and are saying that ‘he may be a jerk, but if he wins he’s our jerk. Now if he loses, or if his daddy gets sick or something, then we’ll send the moving van around.’
By the way, with a wife like that he can’t be all bad.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
10:05 am
BHAM,
If Bama was overrated, where do you put GT???? JPW not getting drafted has nothing to do with GT getting trucked or Bama according to you being “overrated”!!!! Don’t start with the 3rd grade “my dad can kick your dad’s a$$ because I know that Bama’s draft history DWARFS GT’s draft history!!!!!
JT
April 27th, 2009
10:05 am
So Tony, when does the media stop giving the “Ol’ Ball Coach” a pass on his mediocrity in Columbia? He keeps poor mouthing about a lack of talent and the media continues to run with that story. Frankly, you continue to be one of his bigger cheerleaders. I think we can safely lay to rest the 1990s past glories and stop saying “when Spurrier amasses the talent necessary in Columbia” or “Coach Spurrier has been playing with inferior talent” etc., Spurrier had a nice run in the ’90s, he changed the conference, but that seems like a lifetime ago now and it should be acknowledged as such.
Tiderising
April 27th, 2009
10:08 am
Bham wreck
Bama was overrated? Let’s see. We won 12 games compared to your 7 and lets examine our 2 losses. We lost to the eventual national champion gators in a game in which we were winning in the 4th qtr and then we lose our bowl game to the only undefeated team all season in Utah which I think was an underrated team. Or perhaps in all your football wisdom you didn’t notice that the Mountain west was 5-0 or 6-0 against the pac 10 this year and was also something like 5-1 against the pac 10 last year. Learn something about football before you speak.
BTW, I wouldn’t talk to much about bama qbs not making it in the nfl. Clearly, JP Wilson is not the same talent as someone like Stafford and he won’t make it in the nfl. But considering that we run a pro style offense as opposed to running an option offense I wonder what our odds of getting a pro style qb into the pros in the future are versus an option running team like Tech. You should shut up right there pardner.
Lastly, Bama has 3 super bowl winning qbs in Bart Starr (2) and Kenny Stabler and Joe Namath with 1 each. How many does Tech have?
Voice of Reason
April 27th, 2009
10:10 am
nobody ever expcted JPW to be drafted very high if at all. No surprise there, except maybe for a Tech fan who knows noting about football. and jacketbacker- I am pretty sure that Saint Nick (an obvious bama fan) had no problem getting over GT beating UGA. You all talk about how much UGA sucks and how bad they were this year yet you all hang your hats on the fact that y’all beat UGA by three. If they are so horrible, why is this a bragging right?? You don’t see UGA fans constantly bragging about our score over GASouthern or Central Michigan so if UGA is that bad (as you say) why all the bragging about 45-42. 10-7 10-7 10-7!!! hahahahahaha (Gardner-Webb)
m
April 27th, 2009
10:11 am
The Cincinnati Bengals got a steal in the 3rd round with their pick of Michael Johnson. He will be end up being a much more successful pro than Matthew “Jeff George reincarnated” Stafford. TGAG.
Not Disappointed
April 27th, 2009
10:14 am
Overall, how can you not be happy with all the picks from the South. The South really showed up! I am a loyal Jacket Fan; nevertheless, I am proud of the majority of picks over the weekend. How can you not be happy for these young men? Ramblin Wreck!!!!
Go Dores
April 27th, 2009
10:19 am
With the pick of DJ Moore, 6 Vanderbilt Commodores are on(or will soon be on) the payroll of the Chicago Bears. This is a strange and amazing development. I have been a purist college football fan, but I am now also an instant Bear fan. Can you imagine how excellent it would be to support an NFL team with so many of your school’s players on it? I will be almost as excited to cheer for the Bears in 2009 as I will my beloved Dores.
TheItalianDawg
April 27th, 2009
10:20 am
Hey Tony, I enjoyed reading your column, good job!
can you or anybody tell me how in the world that Dannell Ellerbe didn’t get drafted, It was shocking to me, ellerbe is very solid LB, is there any Thurman effect on this?
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
10:20 am
M,
Only an idiot like you would speculate between a DE and a QB’s future in the NFL!!!!
yellowblood
April 27th, 2009
10:20 am
You can argue all you want but one thing is certain, we have the best Tickle Piles in all of college athletics. To hell with UGAG!!!!
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
10:22 am
Italian Dog…Ribs Marinara? Chittlins Arabiata? The mind boggles at the possibilities.
Tiderising
April 27th, 2009
10:25 am
Voice of reason,
It is indeed comical to see Tech fans always bragging about their once in every 8 years 3 point win over the dawgs. A 3 pt win that they refer to as the “azzkicking”. If I were a dawg fan I actually think I would be more amused about their constant harping about a 3 pt win then anything else. I can’t imagine ever seeing any team’s fans getting more mileage out of a single 3 pt win once every 8 years than the Tech fans do in this blog. Its actually kind of sad when you consider that most dawg fans(the ones I know anyway) look at Tech as merely an afterthought. They got bigger fish to fry with UF and the rest of the sec schedule.
Clearly, a lot of these Tech fans nothing about football. I don’t know one Bama fan who thinks JP Wilson is NFL material and frankly I just don’t understand why an idiot like Bham wreck would rag on the kid. I’m not piling on about Wilson its just that even rabid Bama fans know he just isn’t NFL material. So what? At least in future years we will have nfl qb prospects in the draft. As long as Tech runs an option offense they will never, ever get a qb drafted by the NFL. That’s how astounding the idiocy of someone like Bham wreck is.
RAM
April 27th, 2009
10:25 am
The best QB on the Tennessee campus may be playing third base for the baseball team. Tyler Horne could really sling it when he played at Newnan HS a few years ago and he had several scholarship offers in football. I think he signed with (or at least committed to) UAB, but he never played there.
Jon
April 27th, 2009
10:26 am
Tony
You never fail to amaze. I just don’t know what I would do without your column. You always give such unbiased and relative reporting. If I had known about you sooner I would have moved to the south a long time ago. Oh so what is your point anyway?
FloridaDawg
April 27th, 2009
10:27 am
Does this mean that the best talent does not equal Championships?
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
10:27 am
If you Dawg and Tech fans could please just shut up about each other, there would be a lot more room on this board to attack other programs as well!
RAMBLE ON!!!
April 27th, 2009
10:29 am
BhamWreck, you can’t say Korean on here without some liberal PC fleabag idiot like “professor”, who will call you a racist. Just a forewarning.
Lane (Shirt-Rippin') Kiffin
April 27th, 2009
10:31 am
Jim Bob Cooter will be the starting QB, daddy said so.
Lord of The Lizards
April 27th, 2009
10:32 am
Is it just me or am I already starting to see some tiny little cracks in the blind enthusiam of even some of the most delusional Vol faithful? With their best available QB just having walked out the door, some are now starting to question the Kiffin “strategy”. According to the Chattanooga newspaper, ol Kiff couldn’t even find the time nor the inclination to even meet with Coleman. Sounds like Kiffin just totally dismissed the guy, not even trying to convince the kid to come back in the fall and compete for the starting job, which he probably could have won IF given a FAIR chance. Looks like it’s gonna be a couple of extremely challenging years for the Vols, at least until they can get a real QB! Of course, many of the “still too blind to see” are hoping that this is some clever scheme that will lead to the next Peyton Manning walking thru the door with the next recruiting class (good luck). But some are starting to see what everyone else in the conference already knows…that Kiffin is not competant in many areas including what he says sometimes in running his mouth and how he handles people and situations. That he is just plain way over his head in this job. I myself take great pleasure in knowing that even the great Peyton never beat the Gators!!!
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
10:32 am
BC was playing with 3rd string qb against Vandy in the bowl. Everyone knows the SEC was overall down in 2008. UT got beat by Wyoming for Gosh sakes. Which current conference’s teams have the most players in the NFL? (ACC) That should tell you that although the SEC has been the best conference of the last 15 years (yes I’ll admit that because its obvious) It has not been as dominant as people would have you believe. And with better coaches coming in the last few years (Cutcliffe, CPJ, Butch Davis) The ACC has a real shot to take over as the best conference in the upcoming years. After all, if we judged it by who has the biggest stadiums then the big 10 top teams would dominate. Bama get ready in 2013 and just hope Saban doesn’t bolt because he is not saying all the right things right now. Hes setting himself up for an exit because the Bama nation is too much to handle.
PTC Jacket
April 27th, 2009
10:34 am
Why don’t UGA stop complaining about us bragging about the “azzkicking” game and worry about finding that nut job of a professor.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
10:35 am
You think option running Tim Tebow won’t be drafted? idiot…
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
10:36 am
ACC= 1 NC since 1998
SEC= 5 NC since 1998
WHO IS MORE DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAM
April 27th, 2009
10:37 am
Speaking of the draft, I noticed that CollegeFootballNews.com lists Troy Defensive End Brandon Lang as a possible 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft. Dawg fans will remember that Lang, who played with Asher Allen at Tucker HS, was a big-time recruit for UGA who may have been the answer to Georgia’s pass-rushing problems last season. Brandon committed to UGA, I don’t think he could make it in to the school, even after a year at prep school, so he signed with Troy instead. I hadn’t heard much about him, but he must be doing something right to be projected to go so highly in the draft. I guess we’ll see…..
MountainDawg
April 27th, 2009
10:38 am
Andre Smith is grossly overrated & shouldn’t have been a top 10 pick. He’s sloppy & lazy and will get whooped by NFL DE’s & their speed!
The opiner
April 27th, 2009
10:40 am
Looks like Kiffin is indeed a moron. I talked to some UT friends of mine and I also saw the spring game stats and the scrimmage stats. Clearly, BJ Coleman won the job on the field. His stats were absolutely superior to the other 2 qbs and especially to the qb who was chosen as the starter.
I think Tony was right. Kiffin is going to write off this year and play a less qualified senior qb for the sole purpose of going out and recruiting a 5 star qb prospect with the sales pitch that the kid can be a 4 year starter.
Big mistake. That means a guaranteed 2 years of mediocrity. It means that Kiffin will play with write off this year by playing an untalented senior year and then throw a freshman into the fray the next year which would for the freshman simply be a tough learning year. No true freshman is just going to come in from day 1 and so you could almost write off year 2 for Kiffin. And if the kid turns out to be a bust on the scale of a Ron Powlus or even a minor bust like the Clausen kid at Notre Dame then Kiffin is outta there in year 3.
The really damaging thing about BJ Coleman not winning the qb job, not getting a “fair shake” is that other UT players see this. What kind of a message does it send to them that the player who wins the job on the field doesn’t get to be the starter? What does that do to morale if they know the guy that should be the starter doesn’t get the job? It sows the seeds of discontent because then its in the back of every player’s mind that they may not get a “fair shake” from the coaches.
No offense to UT fans but you get the idea that this guy Kiffin just isn’t too bright.
LBKDawg
April 27th, 2009
10:43 am
FloridaDawg: If I may be presumptious enough to try to answer your question: If the best talent is coached by Coach Cool, Willie & Bozo, it does. You can also rephrase your original question to: “Does this mean that just as good a talent does not equal championships?”. The answer would be the same. I hope I have helped.
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
10:43 am
Lord Liz, be sure that the cracks are widening to actual chasms. After the Kiffinator’s first season, those chasms will again widen to canyons. And all right thinking people will be laughing like Nachos on a Chizik bender.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
10:44 am
MountainDawg,
Andre gave up 1 sack all year in the SEC, let me say that again ONE SACK ALL YEAR IN THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! That is not overrated, that is talent, and that is why he is a top ten pick MORON!!!!!!!!!
gtforever
April 27th, 2009
10:45 am
Vols, JOKE of the SEC!
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
10:47 am
Actually, all of the Kiffinian gaffes up until now have been silly. For the reasons that the Opiner states above, losing Coleman could actually turn out to be a major “disbanding the Iraqi army” type mistake.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
10:47 am
Saint nick: by your logic the ACC was the best basketball conference in 2008-09 because UNC won the NC. Of course the big east actually was better top to bottom – just like the ACC was better top to bottom in football than the SEC as ranked by several systems including sheridan and massey. GT played a terrible game against LSU – they wern’t prepared, they got down early and tried desparate things to get back in the game which backfired. LSU meanwhile seemed to take the game alot more seriously. Kind of like the Bama Utah game. Our coach didn’t publicly blame the fans for losing though like Saban did last week. I sure hope for Saban’s sake that the tide doesn’t lose a game they shouldn’t in 2009 cuz it might get ugly with all this fan antogonizing.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
10:55 am
Bham wreck,
Let me help you out there with your football knowledge son. Tim Tebow doesn’t run an option offense. He runs a spread offense which is totally different and certainly features a lot more passing then the 10 passes a game that Tech or a traditional option offense runs. But certainly one of the reasons nfl scouts project him as a 3rd to 5th round draft choice if he wants to be a qb is because he does in fact run the ball more than he would in say a pro style offense.
Secondly, UT losing 1 game to Wyoming. Its one game dimwit. Every conference in the country has at least 1 team that lost an embarrassing game it shouldn’t have lost. Kinda like Michigan losing to APP STATE. Quit basing your whole argument on one freaking game you moron.
Thirdly, the SEC is down? UT and Auburn were down but they are merely 2 of 12 teams. If being “down” means your conference wins 6 out of its 8 eight bowl games I’ll take down anytime! What do you consider an “up” year. Is the ACCs 4-5 record during bowl season including several blowout losses an “up” year?
Lastly, fools like you have been saying for 3 years now that Saban is gone tomorrow. Really? The man just pledged 2 million to be distributed to the Bama general scholarship fund in 10 yearly installments. Does that sound like someone who is going somewhere?
You said he is making statements hinting that he is heading toward the exit door. Really? What specific statement was that? I missed have missed that one! Please provide the quote you saw that indicates he is leaving because his actions sure seem to indicate otherwise.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
11:00 am
Saban didn’t blame the fans for the loss, he blamed the attitude of the players for the loss. Although I will agree that it is HIS job to coach the players to not listen to the fans and media. The players believed that all they had to do was go through the motions and they would destroy Utah. Utah wanted to play Bama, Bama wanted to play OU for the title.
SC
April 27th, 2009
11:02 am
South carolina didn’t have 7 players taken. 5. Nice homework
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/live_draft/school?school=70&round=
The Dude
April 27th, 2009
11:05 am
Saint Nick: If “knowing football” is what we’re trying to do here then you should know that Tech won 9 games in 2008, not 7. You should also know that the last quarterback they had on the flats that was any good (Hamilton) was the leading Heisman candidate until the Ricky Williams rule through the trophy in Ron Dane’s lap.
This whole Tennessee thing is rather comical when you have no stake in the outcome. If UT losses all their games it’ll be pretty funny. If UT beats UGA, Florida, or Alabama it’ll be down right hilarious.
The Dude
April 27th, 2009
11:06 am
Through = threw… we can’t all be english majors.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:08 am
Bham wreck,
Saban did not publicly blame Bama fans for losing the bowl game. Only a complete moron would read what he said and somehow glean the idea that he blamed the fans for the loss. What he did say and virtually all Bama fans agreed was that the whole Bama nation and the team came into a BCS bowl like the Sugar Bowl with a down feeling because instead of playing OU for the national title game we were stuck playing Utah for lesser spoils. Its a feeling the whole team and the fan base had.
What a guy like you doesn’t understand is expectations. Things are different at Alabama then say Tech. At Alabama we expect to compete for national championships and for us it was a downer to be playing in the Sugar Bowl when we were less than 15 minutes of football from playing for a national title.
Saban’s only point was that we still had a lot to play for and that while it was disappointing to not be playing for the national title we still had an immensely successful season and the team and fans should have been more pumped up for the Sugar Bowl. There were over 100 other teams that would have loved to be in the position we were in and it was just a shame that we didn’t appreciate at least being in a bcs bowl game. But again, it goes back to expectations and a committment to excellence. Something you wouldn’t understand.
How you manage to glean from that the idea that Saban is all of a sudden about to bolt is remarkable! Keep hoping buddy.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:13 am
The Dude,
Now I’ve heard it all. Joe Hamilton was leading the race for the Heisman trophy? And then the trophy fell into Ron Dayne’s lap via some Ricky Williams rule? Surely you jest? You cannot be freaking serious when you say Joe Hamilton was leading the race for the Heisman? That has got to be the funniest thing I’ve heard regarding football in months.
nick saban
April 27th, 2009
11:16 am
saint nick would you please shut up and go back to work (if you have a job) you are making the bama faithful look like such uga fans. We got our azz kicked by a mountain west team for god sake. please shut up!!!!!
Kiffinisatosser
April 27th, 2009
11:16 am
Dear Bamaoids. This ain’t 1976 and you tuskers just are that relevant except in your own fevered imaginations. please take a BC powder and refrain from killing relatives during the next Tide loss.
murfdawg
April 27th, 2009
11:17 am
JT,
Good post!!!!I’m glad someone else out there thinks SOS is a mediocre coach.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
11:18 am
You are just reading what you want into Saban’s comments. He clearly was including the fans and their “cultural problem” in the blame for not having enthusiasm for the sugar bowl. Why would he bring it up is a good question? The question he was answering had nothing to do with the answer! Secondly Alabama has a rich tradition but its a little comical how many NC’s they claim. If Notre Dame counted titles like Bama did they would have 17. By the way Bear Bryant was a no-character thug – the chick granning incedent speaks for itself. Anyway get ready to get beat down in 2013. And by the way – why can’t they play more than one decent team OOC? And don’t give me “The SEC blah blah” because UT, AU, MSU, Kentucky and South Carolina aren’t scaring anyone.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:23 am
Kiffinisatosser,
You’re right. We are not that relevant. We were less than 1 qtr from playing for the national championship but of course you are correct. We must not have been relevant at all this year. Finishing ranked 6th in the country after being ranked no. 1 for 5 weeks of the 12 week regular season also means you’re irrelevant. You’re right. We weren’t relevant at all this year.
1976? We’ve won a national title in 78,79, and in the 1990s in 1992. I fail to understand why you mention 1976 except for the idea that maybe you’re just plain stupid. That would explain some things. Incidentally, when is the last time you won a national title. And yes. I do know who you pull for. I just want to hear it from you.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:38 am
Bham wreck,
Once again you show your profound ignorance and poor judgement. Forget the 12 national titles. Its really more like 9 legit titles. Are you happy now?
Secondly, to call Bear Bryant a no character thug is so silly and childish that I don’t even know where to begin. Suffice it to say that for every idiot like you who would make such a moronic statement like that that there are probably a few million people including highly regarded coaches, fans of other sec and national programs, etc. who would look at you as if you were a raving lunatic if you would made statement like that to them with a straight face. Its an incredibly foolish thing to say.
Lastly, your statement that we only play one really tough out of conference statement is equally ludicrous. We play Va Tech who is a perennial top 10 or top 15 team and who has won your conference 3 of the last 5 years. Besides USC they are the only program to win 10 games or more for 4 straight years. Every big time program plays at least one good if not great out of conference team. Some play 2 good but not great out of conference teams.
Nobody plays 2 great out of conference programs every year. Nobody! Does Tech play 2 top tier out of conference programs every year? I don’t think so. They play UGA cause they have to because they are an instate rival. Who else do you play this year out of conference?
Bama does what everyone in a bcs conference does and what some don’t do at all. We schedule at least one top 10 team out of conference and this year its Va Tech who probably will be ranked 9th or 10th in the preseason polls. Most bcs conference teams will schedule one tough or at least one above average out of conference team and then load up 3 patsys on their home schedule. Take a look at schedules upcoming for 2009 and you will notice this. You are really just showing just how profoundly ignorant of college football you really are.
AltamahaDawg
April 27th, 2009
11:38 am
Enter your best shot in the poo-poo slinging contest here.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:44 am
Bham wreck,
Calling bear bryant a no character thug speaks volumes about you. That’s all I got to say about that.
Bama has 9 legit titles. Are you happy now?
Bama has one big time out of conference foe every year that we try to schedule who will be in the preseason top 10. Once again you show your profound ignorance of college football.
Nobody schedules 2 top 10 ooc foes. Nobody! Some programs schedule 2 decent ooc teams but virtually every bcs team tries to schedule one big time ooc foe or 2 midlevel ooc opponents and some bcs conference teams just schedule one midlevel opponent and 3 patsys. Given the rugged sec schedule we do what most programs do. We have 1 top 10 opponent in VA., Tech and 3 patsies just like virtually every other big name program. Tech plays UGA every year because they have to cause its an instate rivalry. Other than that who do you play this year?
Gator Mike
April 27th, 2009
11:49 am
Dirty Dog, you have some very good points about the Knoxville Circus with kiffin as the rinf master. It should be fun to watch no matter which way it goes. Yes, his wife is a good looking lady which is to his credit. She is the daughter of 2 UF alumni. Her dad is former Gator All American QB (John Reaves)and her mom is a former Gator homecoming queen. On Sept 19, when her juvenile husband visits Gainesville, he will not get the sort of reception that her Dad gets when he visits the Swamp.
Also, congrats to Matthew Stafford and the Dawg Nation on Mr. Stafford being the #! pick in the NFL Draft. this is good for the SEC and the Dawgs.
Go Gators!
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:50 am
Calling Bear Bryant a no character thug. That statement speaks volumes about your intelligence.
Bama really has 9 legit titles. Ya happy now?
Bama is like practically every other bcs team. We play one heavyweight ooc game every year and generally 3 patsies. Everyone does it although some teams will play 2 midlevel programs instead of 1 big time ooc opponent and then a couple patsies. Some play just one good midlevel ooc opponent and then some patsies. We play Va Tech which will be preseaon top 10 and along with USC is the only other team in the country to win 10 games 4 years in a row. They also have won the ACC 3 of the last 5 years. You play UGA cause you have to cause its an instate rival. Other than that what top 10 ooc team do you play?
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
11:50 am
Thug?????? You are officially a dumba$$!!!!!!!!!! Go ask anyone….nevermind you just don’t get it and never will!!! You are an Auburn fan or just plain stupid!!!!!
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
11:51 am
Sorry for the multiple posts. It looked like the software was eating my posts again. I guess it just means Bham wreck gets to read 3 times about what a moron he is.
Erkel
April 27th, 2009
11:54 am
Tony- The Pac 10 did better than the ACC when you consider they have two less teams and had only 1 less player drafted than the ACC.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
11:56 am
Firstly – its hard to predict when you schedule teams years in advance whther they will be good that year or not. UGA might well play 2 top 10 OOC teams in OK state and GT when its all said and done. Yes we play UGA every year along with Miami, Va Tech, Clemson, UNC and this year FSU. Nobody I mean NOBODY thinks Bama has a tough schedule in 2009 even with VT on the schedule. They don’t play UF or UGA in the SEC east and then North Texas, Ark ST., and UT Chatt? Comeon dude thats weak weak weak. And the AD’s admit they only want one BCS team OOC every year! I think it has more to do with the gameday revenue in tuscaloosa.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
11:57 am
I think USC had their whole 85 man roster drafted if you watched the draft coverage on ESUSCPN!!!!
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
11:59 am
We play the team that kicked your A$$ by 35 last year, that is enough!!!!
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
we play 3 countem 3 OOC games against the SEC in 2009. 2 on the road. Granted they include Vandy and MSU but still… Would chicken azz Bama ever do that? Don’t think so…
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
We will play UF in the Dome in DEC!!!! We already scheduled it!!!!
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
12:02 pm
Why are you trying to make an arguement about playing teams in the SEC!!! HEY MORON WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE SEC!!! WE PLAY 8 SEC TEAMS EVERY YEAR!!!!!!!!!
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
12:05 pm
Don’t worry BHAM, you’ll get your shot at the title real soon!!!!
ShutUpMutt
April 27th, 2009
12:06 pm
Dawg fans,
Unfortunately games are played on the field. Sorry for the inconvenience.
gtforever
April 27th, 2009
12:07 pm
St. Nick, I can’t wait until we get your beloved tide back to Bobby Dodd….
Tony Barnhart
April 27th, 2009
12:07 pm
South Carolina players taken in the draft
Jared Cook, Titans, 3rd
Kenny McKinley, Broncos, 5th
Jasper Brinkley, Vikings, 5th
Jamon Meredith, Packers, 5th
Captain Munnerlyn, Panthers, 7th
Stoney Woodson, Giants 7th
Ryan Succop, Chiefs, 7th
Looks like seven to me.
Mikey
April 27th, 2009
12:09 pm
Draft = I dont care. They no longer play the college game we all love.
They can all go count their money now and please, just go away and take Mel Kiper with you. HE can be Mr. irrelevent until this time next year.
BhamWreck
April 27th, 2009
12:12 pm
Thats out of conference genius. I can see its a genuine tide fan I’m dealing with here. Would Bama play 3 ACC teams OOC in one year? No way in heck would that happen because its simply too tough to give up the three pancakes. Enjoy watching North Texas, UT Chatt and Arky State Saint Nick. I hope you get pay per view.
Saint Nick
April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm
You won’t like the outcome…..
David
April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm
Spurrier has never had a good QB at SC……THAT is his problem.
Tide rising
April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm
Bham wreck,
You have got to be kidding me. You’re braggin about playing the SEC’s 2 traditional doormats in Vandy and Miss. State? UGA you already have to play cause its an instate rivalry. We play a full schedule and as far as missing UGA and UF in the east we’ve played them the last 4 years.
Because of the way the sec schedules are made years in advance and the rotation we’ll be playing those 2 teams soon enough in a couple more years. And if we make it to the sec championship game we will be playing one of the 2 of them anyway so what’s your point?
We picked a team that has won their bcs conference 3 of the last 5 years and will surely be a preseason top 10 opponent as our bigtime ooc game. You guys picked Vandy and Miss State? I’m still laughing. UGA you already have to play anyway. You’re a funny guy.