NFL still loves the ACC, SEC

 

 

Spring practice is officially over. The NFL Draft is officially over. So what did we learn over the weekend?

 

The NFL still loves the ACC, SEC:  As we told you last Friday, over the past five drafts before Saturday the SEC (191) and the ACC (176) have had more draft picks than any of the nine other Division I-A conferences. In Saturday’s first round the SEC had three of the first six picks, four of the top 12 and five of the top 18.

 ACC had four of the first nine and nine of the first 45, which was more than any other conference.

The SEC had eight first-round selections and the ACC had five. So 13 of the first 32 players chosen in the first round of the draft, over 40 percent, came from those two conferences. The final totals in the draft were, by conference:

CONFERENCE—–SEC—-ACC—-PAC-10—-BT—B12—-BE

Total picks———-37——-33——-32——-28—-28——27

 

Here is the SEC and ACC breakdown by school.

ACC DRAFT PICKS BY SCHOOL

Atlantic: Boston College 2; Florida State 1; Clemson 4; Maryland 5; N.C. State 2; Wake Forest 4.

Coastal: Duke 0, Georgia Tech 4, Miami 1, North Carolina 5;  Virginia 4, Virginia Tech 1.

Notice that Florida State and Miami had only one player drafted each while six other schools, including Georgia Tech, had four of more players chosen. Miami’s streak of 14 straight drafts with a first-round choice was broken.

 

SEC DRAFT PICKS BY SCHOOL

East: Florida 3; Georgia 6; Kentucky 1; South Carolina 7; Tennessee 1; Vanderbilt 1.

West: Alabama 4; Arkansas 1; Auburn 3; LSU 6; Ole Miss 4; Miss. State 0.

Notice that South Carolina led all schools in the SEC with seven draft choices.

 

My two favorite draft stories were Michael Oher of Ole Miss and Aaron Curry of Wake Forest.

Oher’s story has been chronicled in a book, “The Blind Side,” which is being made into a movie, portions of which were shot at Georgia Tech. Oher was abandoned and homeless as a teenager in Memphis. He was taken in and eventually adopted by Sean and Leigh Anne Tuohy. Oher had every right to be angry at the world. But instead he used his energy to make the most of his opportunity. He was taken by the Ravens as the 23rd player in the first round.

Curry is a testament to what determination and good coaching can do for a player. Curry was not a highly recruited player out of E.E. Smith high school in Fayetteville, N.C. He was small, just over 190 pounds. Wake Forest and East Carolina were the only Division I-A scholarship offers he had. Former Georgia assistant Brad Lambert, now the defensive coordinator at Wake Forest, was convinced that Curry was going to be a great player.

“I remember Brad asking me to watch film of Aaron so that I didn’t think he was making stuff up,” head coach Jim Grobe said. “Brad said: ‘Do you see what I see?’ And I did. It was clear that if Aaron could put on some weight he would be something special.”

It took five years at Wake Forest but Curry eventually grew to 6-2, 254 pounds. On Saturday Curry was taken by the Seahawks as the fourth player in the first round.

 

Two more reasons why I don’t understand the NFL:  Vanderbilt’s D.J. Moore lasted until the fourth round  (119th pick) and Florida State’s Everette Brown was not taken until the second round (43rd pick).

Moore had 13 career interceptions and was one of the better all-purpose players in the SEC. He averaged 19.4 yards per kickoff return and 14.4 yards per punt return.  Various reports said he ran a relatively slow 40-yard dash time at the combine and at Vanderbilt’s Pro Day. That’s something I’ve never understood about the NFL. This guy excelled against the best competition in college football. He can PLAY. How do you ignore that and base a decision on some numbers on a stopwatch?

Florida State’s  Brown led the ACC in tackles for loss (21.5) and sacks (13.5) last season. Some thought he was a “tweener” at 6-2, 256. Again, reports were that his 40 time was a little slow.

Both guys were juniors and it looks like both could have used a senior year to increase their draft stock.

 

Andre Smith is one talented but very lucky guy: I was glad to see that after a series of bad decisions that could have cost him dearly, Alabama OT Andre Smith was the No. 6 player picked in the draft by the Bengals.

Not long ago it looked like Smith, the Outland Trophy winner, had blown his chance at becoming a wealthy man. He was suspended for the Sugar Bowl after it was determined that he or someone connected to him had had contact with an agent’s representative. He shows up at the NFL combine out of shape and then doesn’t work out. He then leaves the combine without telling anybody and gets a ton of well-deserved bad press.

Smith got his bacon saved because he fired his first agent and hired a pro in Rick Smith. Andre is also lucky because Alabama coach Nick Saban went to bat for him with the NFL teams who wanted the real skinny on this kid.

This should be a cautionary tale, especially to juniors who enter the NFL Draft. Two lessons: 1) Hire a proven agent and do what he says; 2) If you want to be a professional then ACT like a professional. If you’re not sure how to act, then refer back to Rule 1.

 

The B.J. Coleman decision is best for both sides: The people I talk to tell me that Tennessee’s coaches were caught completely off guard when sophomore quarterback B.J. Coleman announced last week that he was going to transfer to another school. Coleman told his hometown newspaper in Chattanooga that he didn’t think he would get a “fair shake” from the new coaching staff. Coleman felt he had made it clear in spring practice that he should have the job ahead of senior Jonathan Crompton. I think Coleman could have chosen his words more carefully because it makes no sense to suggest that Lane Kiffin would play a lesser quarterback in this league.  Conspiracy theorists say Kiffin wants to play a senior to open the door to sign the quarterback of the future next February. That doesn’t make any sense either. Coaches take the talent they have on hand and build the best possible team for that season.

The reality is that Coleman’s decision is probably the best for both parties. If he had been head and shoulders better than Crompton in the spring, then he would have the edge going into fall camp. The truth is that none of the three Tennessee quarterbacks—Crompton, Coleman, and Nick Stephens–were really setting the world on fire.

 

202 comments Add your comment

AltamahaDawg

April 27th, 2009
7:30 am

SC with 7? Spurrier has to be somewhere near the top in term of active coaches that have sent guys to the NFL.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
7:46 am

Does that say that Stephanus Maximus is past his prime? Maybe Spurrier needs to hang up his saddle!!! What is surprising to me is FSU and Miami having a total of 2 players drafted!!!! And by the way, the Bengals had a early Christmas gift with Maulauga falling to them in the second round, and THE CRYPT KEEPER aka AL Davis is still an idiot!!!!!!!

Mac

April 27th, 2009
8:15 am

Coleman was head-and-shoulders better than Crompton this spring.

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GeoffDawg

April 27th, 2009
8:34 am

I think the bigger question for SC fans would be why hasn’t Spurrier done more with what’s apparently a lot of stockpiled NFL talent at his disposal? Has the ole’ ball coach gotten a tad lazy with his innovations? He’s practically not even good for a memorable quote anymore these days.

Matt

April 27th, 2009
8:40 am

Man, Tony, you’re a figgin genius. Seeing as how the SEC has 12 teams, and the Pac 10 has 10 teams, that 5 player advantage isn’t such a big deal. Of course these two conferences have more players drafted … they’re all in the south, and both conferences hasve 12 teams. The other conferences are in the north and have fewer teams.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 27th, 2009
8:41 am

These numbers don’t add up to your 20% coverage of the ACC and 80% coverage of the SEC Tony. Hmmmmm

Dink

April 27th, 2009
8:42 am

Crompton looks great in practice but come game time, it’s the “deer in the headlights” look. Or maybe he just doesn’t want to take his shirt off.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
8:45 am

I totally agree with the Coleman comments Tony – in that winning should be the goal, not having a UT wild boyz top recruiting class. Its almost like the tail wagging the dog. If there is any truth to the situation than Lane Kiffin is a moron. Why would Coleman make this up?

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43rd Parallel

April 27th, 2009
8:49 am

If you calculate it on a per-team basis, the Big East had the highest average of players drafted (27 draftees, 8 teams, 3.375 picks per team). So much for preconceptions.

MonVol

April 27th, 2009
8:55 am

Coleman just wanted the job in April, and Kiffin wasn’t ready to name anyone the starter yet. Had he been patient and worked hard this summer, Coleman would’ve probably won the job.

Brian in Athens

April 27th, 2009
8:55 am

Tony, a couple of years ago I saw a report that said UGA was 3rd in players in the NFL behind only FSU and Miami. Anyone know how that list look now with UGA placing 6 more this year (plus any free agents that may find a home, possibly Brannan Southerland) and FSU and Miami only having 1 player each drafted?

Nachos

April 27th, 2009
9:03 am

Gene Chizik????? hahaahahahhaahhahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha

BigMike

April 27th, 2009
9:04 am

First, it is a testament to Nick Saban that he looks out for his players with tough love. The forty time thing is soooo over rated, are you telling me that a kid who runs a 4.3 out of San Jose St is better than a 4.55 guy in the SEC? In the long run you will see why this kid played in the SEC, and the other at SJSU.Acc guys congrats on being a silver medal winner, but we all know that the SEC is Big Boy Ball, so finishing #1 isn’t a suprise, it’s expected. All you other out siders who complain that your conference have fewer teams, or less coverage, LISTEN, there is a reason that you have less of both, it’s simple, people want to go where the best is, the SEC , is simply the best conference in college football. P.S. You can switch, we won’t tell!

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
9:09 am

Mike Is that why the ACC went 6-4 against the SEC in the 08 season? or why the current ACC has the most players in the NFL? (Tony never did the existing numbers by current conference alignment) The SEC will not be dominant in the next 10 years

Cuz

April 27th, 2009
9:17 am

Insert 45-42 here.

KR

April 27th, 2009
9:21 am

“Nachos”: it’s time for you to find some new material.

Maybe you should try some objective analysis of something.

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
9:21 am

Crompton might do better this year without the Clawson system, but odds are that he will materialize into a bust given his ineptitude last year. This leaves Kiffin in a real pickle. He will then need to choose between a true freshman and Stephens in 2010.

This sets him up for a second crummy season in a row (and a 3d consecutive season of bad football for UT). The natives will be restless and the pressure will be on Kiffin sort of like it is on Weiss this year. Year 3 for him will be crunch time. I predict he will fold like a napkin because of team dissension, off field incidents, an Orgeron-gate of some kind and poor talent development.

Call me an optimist!

what?

April 27th, 2009
9:22 am

Coleman had a better spring than Crompton in terms of stats but remember Coleman was throwing against the 2nd team defense so in the end it evens him out with Crompton because even though he hasn’t been good, Crompton has starting experience and Coleman doesn’t and Crompton played against Tennessee’s 1st team d so he has a leg up there. It doesn’t matter because either quarterback isn’t going to be that great.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
9:22 am

GT Fans,

Get over the 3 point UGA win!!!!! YOU GOT TRUCKED BY THE SEC’s 5TH BEST TEAM IN YOUR BOWL!!!!!!!! I would be more worried about getting punked in your hometown bowl than a 3 point win over “THE NO SHOWS”!!!! Got to find a positive somewhere I guess!!!!!

Eric

April 27th, 2009
9:24 am

The Bengals have a history of drafting problem children. Now they’ve done it again.

jacketbacker

April 27th, 2009
9:25 am

good column tony…..it just proves once again that the ACC is a quality football conference….the SEC blowhards that continually blog about their conference being the only one that prepares kids for the ” next level” have no idea what they are talking about….i’m sure the Tech coaches will use this info to our advantage….

jacketbacker

April 27th, 2009
9:27 am

saint nick….45-42!!!!!!!….who can’t get over it????

PTC Jacket

April 27th, 2009
9:30 am

Saint Nick:

No, we’re allowed to brag all we want to for a year.

whitx2

April 27th, 2009
9:34 am

The way Lane kiffin has started out, how can anyone tell if he knows what he is doing. I guess we’ll see.

Tony, i didn’t see any of the draft after the 240th pick. Did John Parker Wilson get drafted? If so, what team and when did he go? Thanks

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
9:39 am

Saint Nick – according to all the Bama fans I know the bowl games really don’t “mean anything” (especially since Bama was taken behind the woodshed and beaten like an adopted Korean by a mountain west team) In fact it was YOUR FAULT Bama lost (according to Saban) and congrats to the Ohio State buckeyes who set a spring game attendance record as well as getting the #1 recruiting class this year.

dawg4lyf

April 27th, 2009
9:41 am

Bragging rights for the Jackets…only hear that once a decade so I guess it isn’t that big of a deal…

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
9:47 am

We got beat by the #1 and #2 teams in the country and were 4 minutes away from playing in the BCSNCG!!! THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE THAN GETTING TRUCKED BY 35 BY A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SEC TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Monticello Dawg

April 27th, 2009
9:47 am

What would the odds have been 10 years ago if someone had suggested that Wake Forest would have twice as many NFL draftees as FSU and Miami combined?

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
9:51 am

Bama was overrated. Your all time record setting qb didn’t even get drafted.

Tiderising

April 27th, 2009
10:00 am

Bhamwreck,

Don’t know why you posted the ACC 6-4 edge over the SEC in the regular season. Um, I think you forgot that we punked you in the 2 bowl games to make it 6-6. Your conference runner up Boston College gotten taken down by Vandy which is traditionally the sec doormat and hadn’t been to a bowl game since 1982. Then Tech got blasted by 35 points to an LSU team that won only 3 sec games the whole year.

Also, a closer examination of the 12 games reveals that when that the acc got half of those 6 wins over the 2 traditionally worse teams in the sec in Vandy and Miss. St. Then they got a narrow 3 pt win over the dawgs. Then there was the narrow Wake win over Ole Miss in the last minute that came with 2 highly questionable officiating calls against Ole Miss on the final drive. I imagine the 6th win for the ACC was also a squeaker.

Meanwhile, when the SEC won their games over the sec it was usually of blowout proportions Bama 34-10 over Clemson, UF 45-20 over FSU, LSU 38-3 over Tech, LSU 48-7 over conference champion Va tech(actually I think this humiliation was probably in 07), etc.

Let’s face it. You won several squeakers, half of them against our 2 traditional doormats, and then you got blown out in the rest of the games against the SEC. Now shut up and go back to your corner.

DirtyDawg

April 27th, 2009
10:01 am

The Coleman kid will be able to play for his hometown team, UTC, with a new coach and a new attitude and he won’t have to sit out a year…but most of all he’ll be shed of that 3-ring circus that young Mr. Kiffin has created up in Knoxville. Way too many UT fans I know are embarrassed by his actions, think he’s an arrogant jerk and are saying that ‘he may be a jerk, but if he wins he’s our jerk. Now if he loses, or if his daddy gets sick or something, then we’ll send the moving van around.’

By the way, with a wife like that he can’t be all bad.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
10:05 am

BHAM,

If Bama was overrated, where do you put GT???? JPW not getting drafted has nothing to do with GT getting trucked or Bama according to you being “overrated”!!!! Don’t start with the 3rd grade “my dad can kick your dad’s a$$ because I know that Bama’s draft history DWARFS GT’s draft history!!!!!

JT

April 27th, 2009
10:05 am

So Tony, when does the media stop giving the “Ol’ Ball Coach” a pass on his mediocrity in Columbia? He keeps poor mouthing about a lack of talent and the media continues to run with that story. Frankly, you continue to be one of his bigger cheerleaders. I think we can safely lay to rest the 1990s past glories and stop saying “when Spurrier amasses the talent necessary in Columbia” or “Coach Spurrier has been playing with inferior talent” etc., Spurrier had a nice run in the ’90s, he changed the conference, but that seems like a lifetime ago now and it should be acknowledged as such.

Tiderising

April 27th, 2009
10:08 am

Bham wreck

Bama was overrated? Let’s see. We won 12 games compared to your 7 and lets examine our 2 losses. We lost to the eventual national champion gators in a game in which we were winning in the 4th qtr and then we lose our bowl game to the only undefeated team all season in Utah which I think was an underrated team. Or perhaps in all your football wisdom you didn’t notice that the Mountain west was 5-0 or 6-0 against the pac 10 this year and was also something like 5-1 against the pac 10 last year. Learn something about football before you speak.

BTW, I wouldn’t talk to much about bama qbs not making it in the nfl. Clearly, JP Wilson is not the same talent as someone like Stafford and he won’t make it in the nfl. But considering that we run a pro style offense as opposed to running an option offense I wonder what our odds of getting a pro style qb into the pros in the future are versus an option running team like Tech. You should shut up right there pardner.

Lastly, Bama has 3 super bowl winning qbs in Bart Starr (2) and Kenny Stabler and Joe Namath with 1 each. How many does Tech have?

Voice of Reason

April 27th, 2009
10:10 am

nobody ever expcted JPW to be drafted very high if at all. No surprise there, except maybe for a Tech fan who knows noting about football. and jacketbacker- I am pretty sure that Saint Nick (an obvious bama fan) had no problem getting over GT beating UGA. You all talk about how much UGA sucks and how bad they were this year yet you all hang your hats on the fact that y’all beat UGA by three. If they are so horrible, why is this a bragging right?? You don’t see UGA fans constantly bragging about our score over GASouthern or Central Michigan so if UGA is that bad (as you say) why all the bragging about 45-42. 10-7 10-7 10-7!!! hahahahahaha (Gardner-Webb)

m

April 27th, 2009
10:11 am

The Cincinnati Bengals got a steal in the 3rd round with their pick of Michael Johnson. He will be end up being a much more successful pro than Matthew “Jeff George reincarnated” Stafford. TGAG.

Not Disappointed

April 27th, 2009
10:14 am

Overall, how can you not be happy with all the picks from the South. The South really showed up! I am a loyal Jacket Fan; nevertheless, I am proud of the majority of picks over the weekend. How can you not be happy for these young men? Ramblin Wreck!!!!

Go Dores

April 27th, 2009
10:19 am

With the pick of DJ Moore, 6 Vanderbilt Commodores are on(or will soon be on) the payroll of the Chicago Bears. This is a strange and amazing development. I have been a purist college football fan, but I am now also an instant Bear fan. Can you imagine how excellent it would be to support an NFL team with so many of your school’s players on it? I will be almost as excited to cheer for the Bears in 2009 as I will my beloved Dores.

TheItalianDawg

April 27th, 2009
10:20 am

Hey Tony, I enjoyed reading your column, good job!
can you or anybody tell me how in the world that Dannell Ellerbe didn’t get drafted, It was shocking to me, ellerbe is very solid LB, is there any Thurman effect on this?

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
10:20 am

M,

Only an idiot like you would speculate between a DE and a QB’s future in the NFL!!!!

yellowblood

April 27th, 2009
10:20 am

You can argue all you want but one thing is certain, we have the best Tickle Piles in all of college athletics. To hell with UGAG!!!!

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
10:22 am

Italian Dog…Ribs Marinara? Chittlins Arabiata? The mind boggles at the possibilities.

Tiderising

April 27th, 2009
10:25 am

Voice of reason,

It is indeed comical to see Tech fans always bragging about their once in every 8 years 3 point win over the dawgs. A 3 pt win that they refer to as the “azzkicking”. If I were a dawg fan I actually think I would be more amused about their constant harping about a 3 pt win then anything else. I can’t imagine ever seeing any team’s fans getting more mileage out of a single 3 pt win once every 8 years than the Tech fans do in this blog. Its actually kind of sad when you consider that most dawg fans(the ones I know anyway) look at Tech as merely an afterthought. They got bigger fish to fry with UF and the rest of the sec schedule.

Clearly, a lot of these Tech fans nothing about football. I don’t know one Bama fan who thinks JP Wilson is NFL material and frankly I just don’t understand why an idiot like Bham wreck would rag on the kid. I’m not piling on about Wilson its just that even rabid Bama fans know he just isn’t NFL material. So what? At least in future years we will have nfl qb prospects in the draft. As long as Tech runs an option offense they will never, ever get a qb drafted by the NFL. That’s how astounding the idiocy of someone like Bham wreck is.

RAM

April 27th, 2009
10:25 am

The best QB on the Tennessee campus may be playing third base for the baseball team. Tyler Horne could really sling it when he played at Newnan HS a few years ago and he had several scholarship offers in football. I think he signed with (or at least committed to) UAB, but he never played there.

Jon

April 27th, 2009
10:26 am

Tony
You never fail to amaze. I just don’t know what I would do without your column. You always give such unbiased and relative reporting. If I had known about you sooner I would have moved to the south a long time ago. Oh so what is your point anyway?

FloridaDawg

April 27th, 2009
10:27 am

Does this mean that the best talent does not equal Championships?

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
10:27 am

If you Dawg and Tech fans could please just shut up about each other, there would be a lot more room on this board to attack other programs as well!

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 27th, 2009
10:29 am

BhamWreck, you can’t say Korean on here without some liberal PC fleabag idiot like “professor”, who will call you a racist. Just a forewarning.

Lane (Shirt-Rippin') Kiffin

April 27th, 2009
10:31 am

Jim Bob Cooter will be the starting QB, daddy said so.

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
10:32 am

Is it just me or am I already starting to see some tiny little cracks in the blind enthusiam of even some of the most delusional Vol faithful? With their best available QB just having walked out the door, some are now starting to question the Kiffin “strategy”. According to the Chattanooga newspaper, ol Kiff couldn’t even find the time nor the inclination to even meet with Coleman. Sounds like Kiffin just totally dismissed the guy, not even trying to convince the kid to come back in the fall and compete for the starting job, which he probably could have won IF given a FAIR chance. Looks like it’s gonna be a couple of extremely challenging years for the Vols, at least until they can get a real QB! Of course, many of the “still too blind to see” are hoping that this is some clever scheme that will lead to the next Peyton Manning walking thru the door with the next recruiting class (good luck). But some are starting to see what everyone else in the conference already knows…that Kiffin is not competant in many areas including what he says sometimes in running his mouth and how he handles people and situations. That he is just plain way over his head in this job. I myself take great pleasure in knowing that even the great Peyton never beat the Gators!!!

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
10:32 am

BC was playing with 3rd string qb against Vandy in the bowl. Everyone knows the SEC was overall down in 2008. UT got beat by Wyoming for Gosh sakes. Which current conference’s teams have the most players in the NFL? (ACC) That should tell you that although the SEC has been the best conference of the last 15 years (yes I’ll admit that because its obvious) It has not been as dominant as people would have you believe. And with better coaches coming in the last few years (Cutcliffe, CPJ, Butch Davis) The ACC has a real shot to take over as the best conference in the upcoming years. After all, if we judged it by who has the biggest stadiums then the big 10 top teams would dominate. Bama get ready in 2013 and just hope Saban doesn’t bolt because he is not saying all the right things right now. Hes setting himself up for an exit because the Bama nation is too much to handle.

PTC Jacket

April 27th, 2009
10:34 am

Why don’t UGA stop complaining about us bragging about the “azzkicking” game and worry about finding that nut job of a professor.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
10:35 am

You think option running Tim Tebow won’t be drafted? idiot…

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
10:36 am

ACC= 1 NC since 1998
SEC= 5 NC since 1998
WHO IS MORE DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAM

April 27th, 2009
10:37 am

Speaking of the draft, I noticed that CollegeFootballNews.com lists Troy Defensive End Brandon Lang as a possible 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft. Dawg fans will remember that Lang, who played with Asher Allen at Tucker HS, was a big-time recruit for UGA who may have been the answer to Georgia’s pass-rushing problems last season. Brandon committed to UGA, I don’t think he could make it in to the school, even after a year at prep school, so he signed with Troy instead. I hadn’t heard much about him, but he must be doing something right to be projected to go so highly in the draft. I guess we’ll see…..

MountainDawg

April 27th, 2009
10:38 am

Andre Smith is grossly overrated & shouldn’t have been a top 10 pick. He’s sloppy & lazy and will get whooped by NFL DE’s & their speed!

The opiner

April 27th, 2009
10:40 am

Looks like Kiffin is indeed a moron. I talked to some UT friends of mine and I also saw the spring game stats and the scrimmage stats. Clearly, BJ Coleman won the job on the field. His stats were absolutely superior to the other 2 qbs and especially to the qb who was chosen as the starter.

I think Tony was right. Kiffin is going to write off this year and play a less qualified senior qb for the sole purpose of going out and recruiting a 5 star qb prospect with the sales pitch that the kid can be a 4 year starter.

Big mistake. That means a guaranteed 2 years of mediocrity. It means that Kiffin will play with write off this year by playing an untalented senior year and then throw a freshman into the fray the next year which would for the freshman simply be a tough learning year. No true freshman is just going to come in from day 1 and so you could almost write off year 2 for Kiffin. And if the kid turns out to be a bust on the scale of a Ron Powlus or even a minor bust like the Clausen kid at Notre Dame then Kiffin is outta there in year 3.

The really damaging thing about BJ Coleman not winning the qb job, not getting a “fair shake” is that other UT players see this. What kind of a message does it send to them that the player who wins the job on the field doesn’t get to be the starter? What does that do to morale if they know the guy that should be the starter doesn’t get the job? It sows the seeds of discontent because then its in the back of every player’s mind that they may not get a “fair shake” from the coaches.

No offense to UT fans but you get the idea that this guy Kiffin just isn’t too bright.

LBKDawg

April 27th, 2009
10:43 am

FloridaDawg: If I may be presumptious enough to try to answer your question: If the best talent is coached by Coach Cool, Willie & Bozo, it does. You can also rephrase your original question to: “Does this mean that just as good a talent does not equal championships?”. The answer would be the same. I hope I have helped.

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
10:43 am

Lord Liz, be sure that the cracks are widening to actual chasms. After the Kiffinator’s first season, those chasms will again widen to canyons. And all right thinking people will be laughing like Nachos on a Chizik bender.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
10:44 am

MountainDawg,

Andre gave up 1 sack all year in the SEC, let me say that again ONE SACK ALL YEAR IN THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! That is not overrated, that is talent, and that is why he is a top ten pick MORON!!!!!!!!!

gtforever

April 27th, 2009
10:45 am

Vols, JOKE of the SEC!

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
10:47 am

Actually, all of the Kiffinian gaffes up until now have been silly. For the reasons that the Opiner states above, losing Coleman could actually turn out to be a major “disbanding the Iraqi army” type mistake.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
10:47 am

Saint nick: by your logic the ACC was the best basketball conference in 2008-09 because UNC won the NC. Of course the big east actually was better top to bottom – just like the ACC was better top to bottom in football than the SEC as ranked by several systems including sheridan and massey. GT played a terrible game against LSU – they wern’t prepared, they got down early and tried desparate things to get back in the game which backfired. LSU meanwhile seemed to take the game alot more seriously. Kind of like the Bama Utah game. Our coach didn’t publicly blame the fans for losing though like Saban did last week. I sure hope for Saban’s sake that the tide doesn’t lose a game they shouldn’t in 2009 cuz it might get ugly with all this fan antogonizing.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
10:55 am

Bham wreck,

Let me help you out there with your football knowledge son. Tim Tebow doesn’t run an option offense. He runs a spread offense which is totally different and certainly features a lot more passing then the 10 passes a game that Tech or a traditional option offense runs. But certainly one of the reasons nfl scouts project him as a 3rd to 5th round draft choice if he wants to be a qb is because he does in fact run the ball more than he would in say a pro style offense.

Secondly, UT losing 1 game to Wyoming. Its one game dimwit. Every conference in the country has at least 1 team that lost an embarrassing game it shouldn’t have lost. Kinda like Michigan losing to APP STATE. Quit basing your whole argument on one freaking game you moron.

Thirdly, the SEC is down? UT and Auburn were down but they are merely 2 of 12 teams. If being “down” means your conference wins 6 out of its 8 eight bowl games I’ll take down anytime! What do you consider an “up” year. Is the ACCs 4-5 record during bowl season including several blowout losses an “up” year?

Lastly, fools like you have been saying for 3 years now that Saban is gone tomorrow. Really? The man just pledged 2 million to be distributed to the Bama general scholarship fund in 10 yearly installments. Does that sound like someone who is going somewhere?

You said he is making statements hinting that he is heading toward the exit door. Really? What specific statement was that? I missed have missed that one! Please provide the quote you saw that indicates he is leaving because his actions sure seem to indicate otherwise.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
11:00 am

Saban didn’t blame the fans for the loss, he blamed the attitude of the players for the loss. Although I will agree that it is HIS job to coach the players to not listen to the fans and media. The players believed that all they had to do was go through the motions and they would destroy Utah. Utah wanted to play Bama, Bama wanted to play OU for the title.

SC

April 27th, 2009
11:02 am

South carolina didn’t have 7 players taken. 5. Nice homework

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/live_draft/school?school=70&round=

The Dude

April 27th, 2009
11:05 am

Saint Nick: If “knowing football” is what we’re trying to do here then you should know that Tech won 9 games in 2008, not 7. You should also know that the last quarterback they had on the flats that was any good (Hamilton) was the leading Heisman candidate until the Ricky Williams rule through the trophy in Ron Dane’s lap.

This whole Tennessee thing is rather comical when you have no stake in the outcome. If UT losses all their games it’ll be pretty funny. If UT beats UGA, Florida, or Alabama it’ll be down right hilarious.

The Dude

April 27th, 2009
11:06 am

Through = threw… we can’t all be english majors.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:08 am

Bham wreck,

Saban did not publicly blame Bama fans for losing the bowl game. Only a complete moron would read what he said and somehow glean the idea that he blamed the fans for the loss. What he did say and virtually all Bama fans agreed was that the whole Bama nation and the team came into a BCS bowl like the Sugar Bowl with a down feeling because instead of playing OU for the national title game we were stuck playing Utah for lesser spoils. Its a feeling the whole team and the fan base had.

What a guy like you doesn’t understand is expectations. Things are different at Alabama then say Tech. At Alabama we expect to compete for national championships and for us it was a downer to be playing in the Sugar Bowl when we were less than 15 minutes of football from playing for a national title.

Saban’s only point was that we still had a lot to play for and that while it was disappointing to not be playing for the national title we still had an immensely successful season and the team and fans should have been more pumped up for the Sugar Bowl. There were over 100 other teams that would have loved to be in the position we were in and it was just a shame that we didn’t appreciate at least being in a bcs bowl game. But again, it goes back to expectations and a committment to excellence. Something you wouldn’t understand.

How you manage to glean from that the idea that Saban is all of a sudden about to bolt is remarkable! Keep hoping buddy.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:13 am

The Dude,

Now I’ve heard it all. Joe Hamilton was leading the race for the Heisman trophy? And then the trophy fell into Ron Dayne’s lap via some Ricky Williams rule? Surely you jest? You cannot be freaking serious when you say Joe Hamilton was leading the race for the Heisman? That has got to be the funniest thing I’ve heard regarding football in months.

nick saban

April 27th, 2009
11:16 am

saint nick would you please shut up and go back to work (if you have a job) you are making the bama faithful look like such uga fans. We got our azz kicked by a mountain west team for god sake. please shut up!!!!!

Kiffinisatosser

April 27th, 2009
11:16 am

Dear Bamaoids. This ain’t 1976 and you tuskers just are that relevant except in your own fevered imaginations. please take a BC powder and refrain from killing relatives during the next Tide loss.

murfdawg

April 27th, 2009
11:17 am

JT,
Good post!!!!I’m glad someone else out there thinks SOS is a mediocre coach.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
11:18 am

You are just reading what you want into Saban’s comments. He clearly was including the fans and their “cultural problem” in the blame for not having enthusiasm for the sugar bowl. Why would he bring it up is a good question? The question he was answering had nothing to do with the answer! Secondly Alabama has a rich tradition but its a little comical how many NC’s they claim. If Notre Dame counted titles like Bama did they would have 17. By the way Bear Bryant was a no-character thug – the chick granning incedent speaks for itself. Anyway get ready to get beat down in 2013. And by the way – why can’t they play more than one decent team OOC? And don’t give me “The SEC blah blah” because UT, AU, MSU, Kentucky and South Carolina aren’t scaring anyone.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:23 am

Kiffinisatosser,

You’re right. We are not that relevant. We were less than 1 qtr from playing for the national championship but of course you are correct. We must not have been relevant at all this year. Finishing ranked 6th in the country after being ranked no. 1 for 5 weeks of the 12 week regular season also means you’re irrelevant. You’re right. We weren’t relevant at all this year.

1976? We’ve won a national title in 78,79, and in the 1990s in 1992. I fail to understand why you mention 1976 except for the idea that maybe you’re just plain stupid. That would explain some things. Incidentally, when is the last time you won a national title. And yes. I do know who you pull for. I just want to hear it from you.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:38 am

Bham wreck,

Once again you show your profound ignorance and poor judgement. Forget the 12 national titles. Its really more like 9 legit titles. Are you happy now?

Secondly, to call Bear Bryant a no character thug is so silly and childish that I don’t even know where to begin. Suffice it to say that for every idiot like you who would make such a moronic statement like that that there are probably a few million people including highly regarded coaches, fans of other sec and national programs, etc. who would look at you as if you were a raving lunatic if you would made statement like that to them with a straight face. Its an incredibly foolish thing to say.

Lastly, your statement that we only play one really tough out of conference statement is equally ludicrous. We play Va Tech who is a perennial top 10 or top 15 team and who has won your conference 3 of the last 5 years. Besides USC they are the only program to win 10 games or more for 4 straight years. Every big time program plays at least one good if not great out of conference team. Some play 2 good but not great out of conference teams.

Nobody plays 2 great out of conference programs every year. Nobody! Does Tech play 2 top tier out of conference programs every year? I don’t think so. They play UGA cause they have to because they are an instate rival. Who else do you play this year out of conference?

Bama does what everyone in a bcs conference does and what some don’t do at all. We schedule at least one top 10 team out of conference and this year its Va Tech who probably will be ranked 9th or 10th in the preseason polls. Most bcs conference teams will schedule one tough or at least one above average out of conference team and then load up 3 patsys on their home schedule. Take a look at schedules upcoming for 2009 and you will notice this. You are really just showing just how profoundly ignorant of college football you really are.

AltamahaDawg

April 27th, 2009
11:38 am

Enter your best shot in the poo-poo slinging contest here.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:44 am

Bham wreck,

Calling bear bryant a no character thug speaks volumes about you. That’s all I got to say about that.

Bama has 9 legit titles. Are you happy now?

Bama has one big time out of conference foe every year that we try to schedule who will be in the preseason top 10. Once again you show your profound ignorance of college football.

Nobody schedules 2 top 10 ooc foes. Nobody! Some programs schedule 2 decent ooc teams but virtually every bcs team tries to schedule one big time ooc foe or 2 midlevel ooc opponents and some bcs conference teams just schedule one midlevel opponent and 3 patsys. Given the rugged sec schedule we do what most programs do. We have 1 top 10 opponent in VA., Tech and 3 patsies just like virtually every other big name program. Tech plays UGA every year because they have to cause its an instate rivalry. Other than that who do you play this year?

Gator Mike

April 27th, 2009
11:49 am

Dirty Dog, you have some very good points about the Knoxville Circus with kiffin as the rinf master. It should be fun to watch no matter which way it goes. Yes, his wife is a good looking lady which is to his credit. She is the daughter of 2 UF alumni. Her dad is former Gator All American QB (John Reaves)and her mom is a former Gator homecoming queen. On Sept 19, when her juvenile husband visits Gainesville, he will not get the sort of reception that her Dad gets when he visits the Swamp.
Also, congrats to Matthew Stafford and the Dawg Nation on Mr. Stafford being the #! pick in the NFL Draft. this is good for the SEC and the Dawgs.

Go Gators!

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:50 am

Calling Bear Bryant a no character thug. That statement speaks volumes about your intelligence.

Bama really has 9 legit titles. Ya happy now?

Bama is like practically every other bcs team. We play one heavyweight ooc game every year and generally 3 patsies. Everyone does it although some teams will play 2 midlevel programs instead of 1 big time ooc opponent and then a couple patsies. Some play just one good midlevel ooc opponent and then some patsies. We play Va Tech which will be preseaon top 10 and along with USC is the only other team in the country to win 10 games 4 years in a row. They also have won the ACC 3 of the last 5 years. You play UGA cause you have to cause its an instate rival. Other than that what top 10 ooc team do you play?

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
11:50 am

Thug?????? You are officially a dumba$$!!!!!!!!!! Go ask anyone….nevermind you just don’t get it and never will!!! You are an Auburn fan or just plain stupid!!!!!

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
11:51 am

Sorry for the multiple posts. It looked like the software was eating my posts again. I guess it just means Bham wreck gets to read 3 times about what a moron he is.

Erkel

April 27th, 2009
11:54 am

Tony- The Pac 10 did better than the ACC when you consider they have two less teams and had only 1 less player drafted than the ACC.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
11:56 am

Firstly – its hard to predict when you schedule teams years in advance whther they will be good that year or not. UGA might well play 2 top 10 OOC teams in OK state and GT when its all said and done. Yes we play UGA every year along with Miami, Va Tech, Clemson, UNC and this year FSU. Nobody I mean NOBODY thinks Bama has a tough schedule in 2009 even with VT on the schedule. They don’t play UF or UGA in the SEC east and then North Texas, Ark ST., and UT Chatt? Comeon dude thats weak weak weak. And the AD’s admit they only want one BCS team OOC every year! I think it has more to do with the gameday revenue in tuscaloosa.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
11:57 am

I think USC had their whole 85 man roster drafted if you watched the draft coverage on ESUSCPN!!!!

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
11:59 am

We play the team that kicked your A$$ by 35 last year, that is enough!!!!

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm

we play 3 countem 3 OOC games against the SEC in 2009. 2 on the road. Granted they include Vandy and MSU but still… Would chicken azz Bama ever do that? Don’t think so…

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm

We will play UF in the Dome in DEC!!!! We already scheduled it!!!!

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:02 pm

Why are you trying to make an arguement about playing teams in the SEC!!! HEY MORON WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE SEC!!! WE PLAY 8 SEC TEAMS EVERY YEAR!!!!!!!!!

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:05 pm

Don’t worry BHAM, you’ll get your shot at the title real soon!!!!

ShutUpMutt

April 27th, 2009
12:06 pm

Dawg fans,

Unfortunately games are played on the field. Sorry for the inconvenience.

gtforever

April 27th, 2009
12:07 pm

St. Nick, I can’t wait until we get your beloved tide back to Bobby Dodd….

Tony Barnhart

April 27th, 2009
12:07 pm

South Carolina players taken in the draft

Jared Cook, Titans, 3rd
Kenny McKinley, Broncos, 5th
Jasper Brinkley, Vikings, 5th
Jamon Meredith, Packers, 5th
Captain Munnerlyn, Panthers, 7th
Stoney Woodson, Giants 7th
Ryan Succop, Chiefs, 7th

Looks like seven to me.

Mikey

April 27th, 2009
12:09 pm

Draft = I dont care. They no longer play the college game we all love.
They can all go count their money now and please, just go away and take Mel Kiper with you. HE can be Mr. irrelevent until this time next year.

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
12:12 pm

Thats out of conference genius. I can see its a genuine tide fan I’m dealing with here. Would Bama play 3 ACC teams OOC in one year? No way in heck would that happen because its simply too tough to give up the three pancakes. Enjoy watching North Texas, UT Chatt and Arky State Saint Nick. I hope you get pay per view.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

You won’t like the outcome…..

David

April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

Spurrier has never had a good QB at SC……THAT is his problem.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

Bham wreck,

You have got to be kidding me. You’re braggin about playing the SEC’s 2 traditional doormats in Vandy and Miss. State? UGA you already have to play cause its an instate rivalry. We play a full schedule and as far as missing UGA and UF in the east we’ve played them the last 4 years.

Because of the way the sec schedules are made years in advance and the rotation we’ll be playing those 2 teams soon enough in a couple more years. And if we make it to the sec championship game we will be playing one of the 2 of them anyway so what’s your point?

We picked a team that has won their bcs conference 3 of the last 5 years and will surely be a preseason top 10 opponent as our bigtime ooc game. You guys picked Vandy and Miss State? I’m still laughing. UGA you already have to play anyway. You’re a funny guy.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

I can’t wait for 2013!!!!!If only we survive 2012 (the human race), GT won’t survive 2013!!!!

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
12:17 pm

GTforever,

You can’t wait to get us back to that intimidating high school stadium called Bobby Dodd? Is this the same stadium that holds more dawg fans than Tech fans when ya’ll play. What’s the capacity. 50k you say? We’re at 92 k and expanding to 101 k to open the 2010 season against Penn State. What was that about you wanting to play us in a high school stadium again?

BhamWreck

April 27th, 2009
12:20 pm

We tried to schedule Ole Miss for 2010,2011 (who some predict to win the SEC west this year) but THEY CHICKENED OUT AND BOUGHT OUT THE GAMES! and I agree Vandy and MSU are not strong teams but even playing Vandy and MSU on the road is A MILLION TIMES TOUGHER THAN NORTH TEXAS, ARKY STATE AND UT CHATT AT HOME! Ask Bama who lost 2006, 2007 to MSU haha! You can’t win this argument Bama is a chicken when it comes to OOC scheduling. Just deal with it.

SC

April 27th, 2009
12:25 pm

I guess yahoo doesn’t want to count late round 7’s. And with good reason. There were 47 picks in the 7th round. I bet if you go back and look, the number of picks in the late rounds has been increasing the past few years. It’s really a joke after round 5 anyway.

Leland

April 27th, 2009
12:28 pm

Dear Mr. CB–how many was it did you say? Your pal, Leland

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:30 pm

If you do the math, there are actually 8 rounds. 256 picks by 32 teams = 8 rounds.

BigMike

April 27th, 2009
12:38 pm

BhamWreck- You and the rest of the ACC loyalist must learn to bow down to your real kings. We are the SEC, and the draft proved (once again) what everybody knows, that superior talent reigns in the SEC. Stop hating and be submissive, all good wifes do!

SC

April 27th, 2009
12:38 pm

Someone should look at the players taken in round 7 and see if they are on a nfl roster in 2-3 years. My guess is 2 at the most.

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
12:40 pm

We’re chicken. Uh- huh! Let’s see. We play your conference champion this year. We open with Penn State next year. Earlier in the 2000s we played OU when it was ranked no. 1 in 2002 to open the season, the year before that we played UCLA in 2001 which the year before had the nation’s longest winning streak at 21 games.

I’ll tell you what. Instead of playing the bottom 2 teams in another bcs conference why don’t you just be like us and play the champion of a bcs conference? Its a lot tougher to play a game against a bcs conference champion than it is to play the traditional bottom 2 teams in a bcs conference. It would be like us scheduling Baylor and Iowa State out of the big 12 every year and then bragging about playing 2 bcs conference opponents who are barely better than North Texas, ut chattanooga, etc.

gtforever

April 27th, 2009
12:43 pm

Yeah, you tide fans keep on thinking it will be a gimme game. Victory will be sweet, against another PRIMO super duper SEC team…..

BigMike

April 27th, 2009
12:44 pm

SC, I guess yahoo is like so many others, realizing that 7th round choices are what we country folk call the bottom of the barrel.At the top though was a UGA Dawg, and that’s the bottom line.Why? Because BigMike said so!

Tide4u2c

April 27th, 2009
12:45 pm

Saban has made it a goal to play atleast 1 marquee OOC opponent every year.Florida State in 07,Clemson in 08,Virginia Tech in 09 and Penn State in a home and home in 2010 and 11.Saban won’t leave Bama atleast until he wins 1 if not more NC’s.You people can keep dreaming though who make up these Saban is leaving rumors every year.Auburn fans love to do it so we are immune and used to it.Keep dreaming is all I can say meanwhile be ready when you play the Crimson Tide because if you have’nt noticed things are changing for the better bigtime at Alabama under Saban & co.Roll Tide!

Nachos

April 27th, 2009
12:50 pm

Hey bham wreck… how many people turned out for that “record setting crowd” this spring @ the barn???? 35,000! wow thats something to be proud of! enjoy your stay at the bottom of the sec west d ouche rocket! “Chiz is the shizzzzzzzz!”

Tide rising

April 27th, 2009
12:50 pm

Bham wreck,

I will quit arguing with you for the following reason and philosophy regarding arguing with idiots like yourself.

“Never argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level. Then he’ll beat you with experience.”

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
12:55 pm

Wanna talk about chicken GT fans????? How come you’re not in the SEC anymore?????????????? Just what I thought!!!!!!!Now shutup and watch the Star Trek episodes you got on your DVR!!!!

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
12:56 pm

BhamWreck. You said the SEC was overall down in 2008. I’ll have to agree that it was an off year by SEC standards, but let’s see…..

The SEC went 5-2 in bowl games

An SEC team won the NC

And now the SEC has more players drafted in the NFL than in any other conference.

Yeah, right, what a lousy year. Most conferences would kill to have such an “off” year.

LawDawg

April 27th, 2009
12:57 pm

Bham Wreck…

you are one funny dude. To say that GT will be a Top 10 yeam when they play UGA is absolutely on e of the funniest things I have heard…You and RambleOn might be one in the same? You 2 are consistent wanna be’s, not consistent winners.

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:03 pm

By the way, Bama fans, I’m with you regarding your pending prominence in college football. Last year’s late season “collapse” should not have surprised anyone. No knowledgable football fan would have predicted Bama coming on strong so soon. I thought it would take Saban until year 3 to begin making a difference and year 4 to be elite again. Instead, you were 12-0 and rated #1 at the end of the season in just year 2.

At least you guys have a rich history, an outstanding season to reflect back on, and a promising future. And Tech has…….????……. oh yeah, 45-42. You guys win 12 games are are #1 at the end of the regular season and they want to bash you. Tech wins 9 games and from listening to all the chest beating, you’d think they’re the next 4 horsemen.

GeoffDawg

April 27th, 2009
1:03 pm

Snap. SC pwned by Tony.

MonVol

April 27th, 2009
1:18 pm

Attention Rival fans, you don’t know all of the Coleman/Kiffin story, but you’re certainly welcome to ignore some facts. Facts such as Coleman was bracketed as co-#1 at the end of spring. The majority of Coleman’s reps were against the twos but he was getting more work recently with the ones. Coleman got ticked off because he wasn’t the clear number one out of spring. Coleman got ticked off again when Kiffin postponed a meeting with him, during a time when he was conducting individual meetings with every player on the team. Coleman got impatient when his needs weren’t immediately addressed and decided to leave. Kiffin didn’t dismiss him, didn’t promise him the starting job. Kiffin is making everyone compete for their starting jobs, except Berry of course, so he’s treating them all fairly.
Coleman could very well have been the starter in the season opener if he had only been patient enough to compete during fall camp. He didn’t want to compete as a co-#1, so he left. He left; not dismissed. Then he threw coaches and players under the bus when he didn’t get his way. Those who want to win and are willing to compete every day, will succeed. Everyone else will wash out…which is the way it should be.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
1:19 pm

You’re damn right the Bear was a no-class thug. Just go back and read the accounts or look at the pictures from the 1961 Tech – Bama game in B’ham. Bama’s Darwin Holt SLAMMED Tech’s Chick Granning AFTER a play, totally shattering his jaw and sending him to the hospital, where his jaw had to be wired back together. Did Bear hit Granning? No, but one of his “pet” players did. Did Bear offer any kind of apology or mete out any kind of discipline on Holt? HELL, NO!!! He all but blamed Granning for the incident, even though he was blind-sided AFTER the play was over. This is not conjecture; this is documented fact, both by the media, the photos, and the game film. So, YES, Bear was a thug, if by no other reason, the fact that his teams were composed of thugs. That one incident was one of the primary reasons Tech left the SEC (the SEC never addressed the incident either). TO BEAR’S CREDIT, however, he actually sponsored and supported Tech’s attempt to rejoin the SEC in the late 70s or early 80s. It was Dooley who vetoed that move, or Tech would now be a member of the SEC.

Jon

April 27th, 2009
1:19 pm

Here another view:
Using the OP’s top 100 (or first three rounds) as a guide, this is the number of players drafted:

SEC: 18 (1.5 per team)
Big Ten: 15 (1.4 per team)
ACC: 14 (1.2 per team)
Big 12: 14 (1.2 per team)
Pac Ten: 13 (1.3 per team)
Big East: 9 (1.1 per team)
All others: 17

Not quite as impressive. But hey does that really matter Tony? What a AClown.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
1:34 pm

When Boldin shattered his jaw, did he whine or anyone at Arizona whine like a little b!tch with a skinned knee?????

acc vs sec

April 27th, 2009
1:35 pm

Regarding sec vs acc last year.. Duke beat Vandy in Nashville (3rd place in the SEC East)!!! That is all that needs to be said… SEC is a joke.. i mean.. a seriously funny joke.. im still laughing after hearing that Duke beat the 3rd place SEC East team

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
1:38 pm

Not one SEC fan outside of the 10 or so Vandy fans give a crap what Vandy does or have done or will do!!!!!!!!!!!

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:41 pm

Supersize, wasn’t that “no-class thug” Bear Bryant the same man who once had to wear a football helmet to keep from having his head bashed from bottles and other debris begin thrown by the “classy” Tech fans during a game in Atlanta?

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:44 pm

acc vs sec. Please read my earlier post. The “joke” SEC won 5 of 7 bowl games, won the NC, and had more players drafted than any other conference. Posts such as yours are the joke.

DUH

April 27th, 2009
1:46 pm

Nachos, still stupid as ever I see. Bham Wreck is a GT fan, why do you think he would care about how many people showed up for the Auburn spring game.

God you are stupid.

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:48 pm

Supersize – I’m a little long in the tooth but I never heard the cheap shot by Bama is what lead Tech to withdraw from the SEC. I’ve heard two other theories:

(1) Dodd thought he could be the Notre Dame of the south if he wasn’t tied down by conference affiliations.

(2) Dodd didn’t like the fact that black athletes were prohibited from playing in the SEC.

Who knows the truth, but I seriously doubt it was that one indicent that lead Tech to making (in hindsight) a bad decision.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
1:48 pm

Maddog, I don’t remember any incident like that in a Tech-Bama game. However, it did happen in a Tech-Notre Dame game, and that was inexcusable. BUT the fans are not accountable to the coach. The players ARE, and Bear did not and would not take responsibilty for the fact that one of his pets was an undisciplined thug. That was not the only incident in which Holt was involved; it was, however, the worst.

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

Supersize – the Notre Dame incident involved throwing fish at the “catholic” boys. The Alabama thing did happen. I went online and it said it happened in 1964.

I agree there is a difference in the relationship between players and fans, but bad (or dangerous) behavior comes from all schools if you look back far enough. If Bear didn’t confront the player about the cheap shot then he deserved to be criticized. Just sayin’….

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

Maddog, I said that the Darwin Holt incident was ONE of the reasons Tech withdrew from the SEC. The reasons you gave were also part of the picture. Interesting that Tech led the way in the south for not only playing against teams with black players but in recruiting black players. Meanwhile black students were being turned away at both Bama and UGAG and (I would assume) all other schools in the southeast. And you are right, that was a bad decision on Dodd’s part, whatever the reasoning. I have no complaints about the ACC, but geographically speaking, if for no other reason, Tech belongs in the SEC. As I said, Bear sponsored Tech’s possible re-entry, but Dooley vetoed it. I guess he feared another 8-year “drought” against the Jackets.

acc vs sec

April 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

Duke!! hahahahha

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
1:56 pm

Supersize,

How convenient is it that you don’t remember the bear helmet incident????

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
1:59 pm

Supersize – I agree that Tech belongs in the SEC. I hated it when the SEC expanded and picked up Arkansas. I thought other teams (Tech, Louisville, etc) would be better fits than Arkansas. I drove there for a game once. Sheer misery!

As for Dooley, I don’t know the history of what you’re talking about, but I doubt he had the type of control to be the lone reason Tech was not readmitted into the SEC. I may be wrong, but it’s water under the bridge. Again, Tech should be in the SEC.

Sam

April 27th, 2009
2:01 pm

I concur that the NFL’s obsession with 40 times is silly. A LINEMAN drops because of a 40 time? How often does a lineman ever run 40 yards? Watch them play especially against the better teams to see how they do.

Saint Nick

April 27th, 2009
2:03 pm

Sam,

There is always the “tackle eligible” play from your own 20!!!!LOL!!!

Miles

April 27th, 2009
2:04 pm

Hey, if Tennessee’s Coleman didn’t think he was treated fairly, then take his comments at face value. Whereas Coleman may not have proven himself the top QB at UT, nor has Kiffin proven himself in the SEC. On a more favorable note, Mr. Barnhart, you’re absolutely correct regarding your “stopwatch” comments per Vanderbilt’s Moore.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
2:07 pm

Maddog, if you say you found a report on unruly Tech fans at the ‘64 Bama game, then I can’t argue with you. I was there, but it’s been so many years ago, I honestly don’t remember. The “fish incident” with Notre Dame happened in 1967. I have to admit, I thought that was funny. A worse incident happened against Notre Dame in 1980 (?), when bottles WERE thrown and Dan Devine. LIke I said, that kind of behavior is inexcusable in my book. I just recently re-read articles printed in the AJC about the Darwin Holt incident, and Bear never did apologize or confront Holt about it. The articles included extensive photos of the incident (I wish coverage was half-way near that thorough nowadays), and it was not a pretty sight. Another interesting episode which most UGAG and Bama fans have probably long forgotten was the SUPPOSED game-fixing arranged between Wally Butts and Bear in 1958 (I think that was the year). Butts was the real villain in that episode (IF, indeed, it happened). It was not actually fully reported until the mid-60s in a now famous and scandalous article written by Furman Bisher in the AJC.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
2:11 pm

St Nick, you should take lessons from Maddog on how to make intelligent thoughtful posts. At least, he makes valid points which can be discussed intelligently.

ShutUpMutt

April 27th, 2009
2:11 pm

Georgia Tech beat UGA last time they played. You want respect GA? Win next time. Until then… eat it.

Lane (Shirt Rippin') Kiffin

April 27th, 2009
2:13 pm

Tech ain’t in the SEC?

GeoffDawg

April 27th, 2009
2:42 pm

Supersize that order, mutt – how old are you? Given that you were at the 64 game, that makes you middle aged at the least. Aren’t you a bit old for such a childish blog handle? That’d be like my grandfather posting under “Eat Sand, Nerd!”. Not very dignified.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
2:49 pm

GeoffDawg, I’m not too old not to have fun with the rivalry. If you find it offensive, then that bespeaks your immaturity, I guess. I have friends, both from Tech and UGAG who know about my handle, and think it’s unique and hilarious. I even got an endorsement of sorts from Mark Bradley, who posted a message here 2 weeks ago in which he said he laughs everytime he sees it. “Eat Sand, Nerd” would not exactly fall into the category of uniqueness, but if your grandfather used the name but still made intelligent posts (which I believe I do for the most part), then I would probably applaud him, just like I did Maddog earlier.

GeoffDawg

April 27th, 2009
3:15 pm

Hmmm…don’t recall writing that I was offended, just that I found it odd. Have to disagree that despite Mark Bradley’s affections for you, that’s not a unique tech sentiment. There’s been some variation of fast food trash talk for as long as I can remember although granted, it’s not back to the sixties. Hence the comparison to a generic Georgia put down for tech fans. If you’re offended, then I apologize – just curious about the backstory.

Dink

April 27th, 2009
3:19 pm

Butts & Bryant were accused of “fixing” the 1962 UGA/Bama game (which the Tide win 35-0) in The Saturday Evening Post. Butts sued & was initially awarded 3 million which was later reduced. Bryant also successfully sued & both were exonerated.

Big Dawg

April 27th, 2009
3:28 pm

what?

April 27th, 2009
9:22 am
Coleman had a better spring than Crompton in terms of stats but remember Coleman was throwing against the 2nd team defense so in the end it evens him out with Crompton because even though he hasn’t been good, Crompton has starting experience and Coleman doesn’t and Crompton played against Tennessee’s 1st team d so he has a leg up there. It doesn’t matter because either quarterback isn’t going to be that great.

First, Coleman played against Tennessee’s 1st String defense in their Spring Game not Crompton as he went against the second string defense. Both players went against the first and second team defenses in practice only Crompton mainly played with the first string offense while Coleman did most of his with the second team offense. So in looking and evaluating their performances a reasonable person might conclude that Coleman did do a much better job, but not being a coach at Tennessee you and I do not know all the intangibles that go into selecting one QB over the other. But if what I suspect is the case then Tennessee is probably better off without Mr. Coleman and his its all about “ME” attitude.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
3:51 pm

Dink, the article might have appeared in 1962, but Butts was not coaching at UGAG in 1962, Johnny Griffith was. I believe the game in question was in 1958.

Otto

April 27th, 2009
3:55 pm

Supersize, Don’t forget a GT frat tossing Green HotDogs at the Tulane Green Wave back in the 70s.

Cuz

April 27th, 2009
4:00 pm

Anybody other than me enjoying Tech and Bama fans going after each other.

Tuesday another two team rumble. The Florida Gators will blog against the Tennessee Vols in a shirts and skins matchup. You guess which team will wear the shirts.

Otto

April 27th, 2009
4:03 pm

Supersize, Butts was the AD in ‘62. The sources I am finding are pointing to the ‘62 game.

Otto

April 27th, 2009
4:04 pm

Cuz isn’t that the Jean Shorts vs Skins game for Tuesday?

Dink

April 27th, 2009
4:08 pm

Supersize that order, mutt

the article appeared in 1963 regarding the ‘62 game, after Coach Butts retired. There is an interesting book out, “Fumble”, on the episode. Here is a snapshot…

http://www.amazon.com/Fumble-Bryant-College-Football-Scandal/dp/0151341435

Cuz

April 27th, 2009
4:19 pm

Otto, I must admit it. I wore jean shorts on Sunday. Okay it was hot and my camo’s were in the wash and I needed to do yard work and, and oh help me, please God help me.

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
4:25 pm

Hey Otto, I think you otto get a real team.

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
4:28 pm

Isn’t EVERBODY in Georgia a “cuz” by marriage???

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
4:29 pm

And everybody too!

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
4:33 pm

Dink and Otto, I stand corrected. I sure thought it was the 1958 game when Butts was still the coach. Actually the 1962 game with Griffith coaching makes it even more sordid. Damn, Butts tried to sell out his own coach…at least according to the story. I do believe I am correct, however, in saying that Furman Bisher was at least in part credited with the story, even though it did appear in the Saturday Evening Post.

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
4:34 pm

Isn’t Ga known as the “Daisy Dukes” state??? Not that thats necessarily a bad thing!!

Otto

April 27th, 2009
5:26 pm

Yes I think Furman was atleast partially involved in breaking the story.

Lizard atleast UGA can get the picture of their mascot correct.

Oledawg

April 27th, 2009
5:39 pm

By virtue of sucking up the last pick in the draft, yes SC had 7 players. What an unfortunate name for that pick. When I look at all the players taken near the bottom I don’t understand the lack of imagination for securing a position pick for Sutherland. His blocking ability should not go unrewarded. I’ll bet money that he will make the team that he signed free agency with.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
5:44 pm

Otto,

You always have good posts but in your last post it sounds like you giving credibility to the “story” that Bear Bryant and Wally Butts fixed that game. As everyone knows this libelous article done by a startup magazine to sell copies was fully discredit and both Bryant and Butts were exonerated with hefty awards in court. Why give ammo to this bogus piece of trash by calling it a “story”?

JCDore

April 27th, 2009
5:57 pm

“BC was playing with 3rd string qb against Vandy in the bowl.”

No, he was 2nd string and had thrown over 100 passes in ‘08. Vandy was, in fact, playing with a 3rd string freshman QB, making only his second appearance and first career start, in the bowl. Let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good excuse, though.

Also, as pathetic as Vandy’s loss to Duke was, it was by a whopping field goal and was the first time Duke had beaten Vandy since Spurrier was there. Sounds kinda similar to UGA-Tech, huh?

Otto

April 27th, 2009
5:59 pm

I was not intending to give credit to the story just stating which game the story centered around. The Bear and Butts both disputed the story and won settlementS in court. However it did cost Butts his job as AD if I read things correctly. I’d love to know if they collected the money awarded to them. I did read it was reduced after the first settlement.

I apologize if my post came off as giving credit to the story.

Otto

April 27th, 2009
6:03 pm

JC, the Techies have fun pointing out Bama’s loss to Utah, when Bama was on their 3rd string Left Tackle for most of the game. But then they point out that BC was on their 3rd string QB which was their 2nd string QB. Maybe business stats is tougher than calc.

SlimG

April 27th, 2009
6:15 pm

Wow. Some really upset tech fans on this blog. What, no respect? Stop calculating worth based on record versus the SEC. It’s pathetic! Dog the SEC but use it to place value? Pun intended.

As far as the UT situation, who cares. After the way they treated Johnny Majors, who can hope anything good happens to those hillbillies.

The whole country is envious of the SEC. Best athletes, best teams, best games, and best fan following. Look at how the LSU fans travel. And when bowl time comes around, who do all the corporations want in their bowl games, SEC teams ofcourse.

Oledawg

April 27th, 2009
6:20 pm

Supersize that order, mutt- The foul play against Chic Granning was done as Granning peered downfield to see if his pass was caught. He was totally unaware as an elbow came thru the face mask and pushed his teeth up into his gum and shattered his jaw. At that time the only weekly sports show on tv was Jack Lescoulie on the Today Show. He ran the play over and over all week plus he indicted Bear for training his players in a 3ft high cage by throwing a football in a hole in the top and rewarded the man who could recover it with an exit from “the cage”. No rules. Several players complained about being bitten and slugged unconscious …and this was practice with your own teammates! What he didn’t report was that several teams in the SEC had “the cage” including UGA. It was dropped as a “training tool” shortly thereafter.

When Tech was in the SEC, Bobby Dodd had great teams and wanted to expand outside the conference for more national publicity. Notre Dame had the big publicity nationally and he wanted to schedule them asap. The SEC said “NO!!” and he threatened to withdraw if he couldn’t schedule them. He schedule ND, was voted out of the conference and Tech became an Independent. No intrigue, no fuss except a lot of coaches mad because he defied the conference rules he had signed to and Tech became independent. Many people thought at the time that the conference was a “fuddy-duddy” and Dodd got the better of the deal. Besides, Bama thought that they were the only team destined to play ND for the NC each year and this would dilute the importance of that game(or so the speculation went). Either way, ain’t that a hoot when you see all the out of conference games SEC and other conferences line up each year and here was Tech out to play the best competition in the country year after year. Dodd proved to be a coach of much class and vision and in large part was responsible for the accolades Tech received thru the years.

Cuz

April 27th, 2009
6:34 pm

Does it tick off Tech fans that Dawg fans admire Coach Dodd?

Oledawg

April 27th, 2009
6:40 pm

The Wally Butts/Bear Bryant story stemmed from a “crossed wires” telephone conversation overheard by some complete stranger who jotted down part which mentioned favorite plays and other idle amenities between two coaches who were friends. It was “twisted” out of proportion (or so they say) to sound as if they were colluding before the game. Butts broke down and wept on the stand. He and Bryant swore that they weren’t sharing game info and they won. Many pundits let you know that the jury was still out after the case had been decided by the jury.

I can remember the signs in Sanford when Butts had a great linebacker named Happy Dicks; “You may beat our Butts but you can’t beat our Happy Dicks”. It was a sign for the ages in Bulldog lore.

sec guys Love Richard Endabut

April 27th, 2009
7:06 pm

Didn’t Bama already chicken out of the ‘13 and ‘14 home aqnd home with GT??

wreckmaniacs

April 27th, 2009
7:11 pm

The point Tony is trying to make without coming out and saying it ( because he knows the Dawgs would pee all over themselves) is why is the ACC able to take 3 and 4 star school boys and coach them up beyond the level of the 5 star SEC school boys to the point that the ACC is tops in the NFL draft. Lets BS that one a while

rustydawg

April 27th, 2009
7:12 pm

acc vs sec – What conference covers seats during their championship game in a 72,000 seat stadium? Now that’s the JOKE.

Oledawg

April 27th, 2009
7:12 pm

By the way, I’m an old fart and sometimes the memory juxtaposes on itself. These stories are by and large from the AJC and national press way back when and my memory ain’t perfect. The point is that Tech had great teams and beat our butts(pun intended)on a regular basis. All Dawgs should understand the foundation of our rivalry and “good ole fashion hate” with a book by the same name. Our string of victories in recent years should be savored like a fine wine and not be soured by idiots who don’t really understand what these schools in the great state of Georgia are about; respect for each other’s higher institutes of learning mitigated by hate and war on the gridiron. Let the games continue.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
7:26 pm

Oledawg, you are mistaken about the actual play, although not about the methods used. I found an article online in which all the details of the play were described. Tech had punted the ball to Bama, and Granning was running downfield to cover. Bama called for a fair catch, and Granning pulled up. Holt, a senior for Bama and a transfer from Texas A&M, who had followed Bear from A&M to Bama, saw Granning drop his guard and attacked him, “throwing a forearm into Granning’s face and shattering his jaw. Granning fell to the ground unconscious as Holt ran to the sidelines, where he was embraced by a gleeful Alabama sideline that included legendary Alabama linebacker LeRoy Jordan, as well as the young and impressionable Mickey Andrews–now an assistant at FSU.”

I tried to cut and paste the article here, but for whatever reasons, I could not. I also could not post the link to it, since it was emailed to me as an attachment. It was originally posted by someone name Joey Martin on July 17, 2008. I am sure the description is correct, since Granning was definitely not a QB.

Also, I think you are incorrect that Tech was “voted out” of the SEC. Dodd initiated the whole thing and withdrew from the conference. Since Tech was one of the primary sources of conference revenue in those years (along with Bama), I do not imagine any of them actually wanted Tech to leave. However, I agree that Tech’s desired OOC scheduling under Dodd sure does put current SEC OOC scheduling to shame. The one thing (and ONLY thing) I do not like about D-Rad is that he has that same SEC mentality about scheduling; hence the Jacksonville States, etc.

Also to the poster who said the Butts-Bryant article appeared in a magazine trying to establish itself, that’s incorrect. The article appeared in the Saturday Evening Post, at the time a well established and highly regarded publication. As far as why it was reported and whether or not it was bogus, then I suggest you contact Furman Bisher, since he was primarily responsible for it, and a defendant in the lawsuits filed.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
7:54 pm

Supersize that order mutt,

It is my understanding that the bogus article implicating Bryant and Butts was initially made by a new magazine which then went defunct. I believe it may have been reprinted in other publications such as the Saturday evening post but I do know that the sorry paper that originally printed it went bust shortly thereafter. If it was indeed the Saturday evening post then you would obviously be mistaken in calling it a respected paper since respected papers don’t go out of business shortly after printing bogus stories based based on pieced together tidbits of an overheard conversation.

In any even the story was bogus and to give it 2 cents worth of credit to it would be unfair to Bryant and Butts. Hashing together bits and pieces of a conversation you overheard to come up with some big conspiracy to fix a game is a little absurd. The only people who believe this travesty of journalism to this day are the same type of people who also believe that the US Army created aids in a lab to get rid of blacks and gays, the same people that believe in bigfoot, etc.

If Furman was a young journalist looking to suddenly make a name for himself with a big “scoop” then shame on him.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
8:00 pm

sec guys love Richard endabut.

Alabama backing out of playing Tech in 2013? Nope. We will back out against more successful opponents such as Penn State and Virginia Tech before we back out of a game against Tech. But fear not. if we do back out you can always replace us with another double A team like Jacksonville State or Gardner Webb or Furman.

BTW, we may play some lesser division 1A foes like North Texas and teams from the Sunbelt or Conference USA but at least they are still 1A and not double A. I don’t know that we have ever scheduled a double A team.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
8:17 pm

bama12titles, I don’t know whether or not it originated in a small at-the-time new magazine or not, but it DID appear in the Saturday Evening Post, which WAS an established and respected publication. The Saturday Evening Post was the chief defendant in the suit. I don’t think that alone put them out of business, but it certainly didn’t help them. Bisher was far from being a young journalist at the time, but he certainly did himself no favors with the Bama or UGAG people. I didn’t mean to imply by what I wrote that I believe the story. In fact, it would seem HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Bear would need to do something like that when Bama was at the top of its game during those years. As to whether Butts would or not, that’s another story. He was a known drunken reprobate, and who knows what kind of crap he might have attempted.

Also, the Gardner Webb game was not a part of Tech’s advanced scheduling. Army, admittedly no powerhouse either, but at least division 1, backed out of their commitment to Tech less than a year prior to the game. Tech had to take what they could get. Bama’s OOC schedule has certainly not been anything to brag about in the past few years. At least when Bear was coaching, he scheduled a home-and-home with Southern Cal, at a time when (as they are now) Southern Cal was at the top of thier game. They were, as I remember, two terrific games; I believe Bama won both of them.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
8:42 pm

Actually, bama12titles, Western Kentucky is in the same division as Jacksonville State and Georgia Southern, so I guess you are wrong there about your OOC schedules. And I see where the Tide is playing Tenn-Chattanooga in the Fall, so I guess you are wrong again.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
8:46 pm

Then I stand corrected because I haven’t looked at the upcoming year’s schedule If they are division 2 then that’s the first time I can see that we’ve scheduled d 2 in a long time. The point is that with Tech the division 2 teams are a staple.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
8:51 pm

Supersize that mutt,

Admittedly our schedule has not been that tough in the mid 2000s. We played UCLA and OU in the early 2000s but in the midyears we dropped the big time names because we were playing with 21 less schollies than anyone else due to probation. We’re now back to scheduling at least 1 marquee ooc game each year and earlier today we picked up a home and home with Mich. State. We wanted Notre Dame since Saban always beat them at MICH ST. but we couldn’t get them.

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
8:57 pm

Gee, after reading so many of the comments on this blog, I feel like I’m stuck in a time warp! I need a DeLorean!!!

Lord of The Lizards

April 27th, 2009
9:00 pm

Oh, Otto…Doesn’t matter if it’s an Alligator or Crocodile…both devour little puppies!

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
9:07 pm

bama12titles, I suggest that you look at Tech’s schedules through the years. Yes, we have played div 1A teams from time to time, but it is hardly a staple. Two last year (one not planned), one next year, and one each in 5 of the previous 7 years (if I count right). I for one don’t like playing them at all, but since everybody else does it, I guess my opinion doesn’t count for much. I haven’t checked the schedules of other schools in the SE, but I do know that Auburn, Florida, and UGAG play more than a fair share of div 1A teams.

bama12titles

April 27th, 2009
9:25 pm

Lord of the reptiles, Thanks for the reptilian humor. I’ve gotten a good laugh from some of your posts

Supersize that order, mutt

Several teams in the sec and the acc do play double a teams and now that I think about it we did in fact play Western Carolina a few years ago and they are double A. I’m very surprised that we have 2 double As this year. We normally have 1 scheduled every several years and usually then its only a replacement game because someone needed to back out of their committment with us. I see no need for anyone playing double A teams unless its a very top tier double A like App state or Georgia Southern. Also, playing them hurts your standing in the bcs and if we are so fortunate as to win the sec with one loss somewhere I guarantee that it will cost us and we would not get into the bcs title game by virtue of having played 2 double A teams. It happened to Auburn in 2004 and the sole reason for them not getting into the title game was the ooc schedule which included if I’m not mistaken 2 double a teams. That’s the risk you run so I’m hoping to go back to playing no double A teams again.

Soulja Boy

April 27th, 2009
10:11 pm

Why does Richt lead the country with players drafted by the NFL and can only post a 9-3 season? Poor coaching, perhaps.

Supersize that order, mutt

April 27th, 2009
10:12 pm

bama12titles, I am in complete agreement with you there. How ’bout that, two people from opposing teams actually agreeing on something! LOL

Maddog

April 27th, 2009
11:01 pm

Soulja boy – using your logic, then how did Florida lose 4 games in 2007? Poor coaching perhaps?

GT90

April 28th, 2009
2:20 am

For those disparaging Tech’s OOC schedule: GT also played Notre Dame and Auburn twice in recent years. Ask any Auburn fan if that turned out how they expected. At least ND managed to split with Tech: They won a close one in Atlanta when they were ranked #2 nationally coming in, with Brady Quinn et al. The next time they met, GT inaugurated ND’s worst season in decades — which they didn’t expect at all going in — by thrashing them at their place: 33-3 was the worst season-opening loss in Notre Dame history.

GEORGIA 1980

April 28th, 2009
2:28 am

TIDE RISING

Actually Joe Hamilton did finish second behind ricky williams in 1998…..you can google it if you want! But Joe Hamilton probably should’ve won the heisman that year because his stats were beyond ricky williams, but ricky williams just looked better!

Go DAWGS

GEORGIA 1980

April 28th, 2009
2:31 am

im sorry Joe Hamilton (Georgia Tech qb) 199 heisman runner up

GEORGIA 1980

April 28th, 2009
2:32 am

BuLLdawg

April 28th, 2009
3:40 am

Even when you include in the “former ACC players in the NFL” all those players who were not recruited by the ACC to play in the ACC and all those players who never played one game in the ACC, The SEC has led all conferences in players on The NFL Opening Day Rosters every single year since 2001.

6 Bulldogs were drafted from a disappointing football team that ended ranked ahead of Georgia Tech for the 8th Consecutive Season in The Final AP Poll, every year of the Coach Richt Era. 5 of them were drafted in the First Three Rounds. 4 more signed free agent contracts yesterday. That’s 10.

Georgia already led The SEC with players on Opening Day NFL Rosters last year, and already is Fourth in The Nation.

The SEC has 5 programs with 30 or more players on NFL Opening Day Rosters, and no other conference had more than 2.

The SEC leads all conferences in attendance, players on NFL Rosters, BCS National Championships and Rankings of our Football Teams in the Final AP Polls every year.

And, we also lead the nation in Recruiting Rankings every year. The State of Georgia finds only 3 other states with more high school football recruits, who go on to The NFL : California, Florida, Texas and then Georgia 4th.

Take Georgia Tech this year for example, while 5 Bulldogs were drafted by The League in the first 3 Rounds of The Draft, Tech had one.

Which explains why Georgia Tech has NOT BEEN ranked ahead of Georgia in The Final AP Poll for 8 Consecutive Seasons and Counting.

The facts are that Georgia Tech and the ACC are NOT CLOSE to UGA and The SEC in football. Get a Life. If Tech had the better season, why was Tech ranked WORSE than UGA for the 8th Consecutive Season ? You play in a Weak Conference who has NOT had a Top College Football Team in years and years, while UGA plays in The BEST FOOTBALL CONFERENCE, always ends up better than Georgia Tech, and finds no SEC team with More SEC Wins nor finds any SEC team with more overall wins than UGA the entire Coach Richt Era of 8 years.

While we are on The Topic, Georgia Tech has NEVER had the Number 1 Overall Draft Pick in the NFL Draft, while UGA has had 5 now; and Georgia Tech has NEVER been ranked Number 1 in the Final AP Poll ever.

HEDGEPRUNER

April 28th, 2009
6:32 am

Saint Nick & tide rising ” dont get too full of yourself” the middle of the road sec team (LSU) you barely beat in OT last year and wasnt it two year’s ago that Louisiana Monroe put a whooping on your tide Arses, sounds like to me that on any given Saturday anyone can beat you if your not on your A game , come back down to earth…

Hal

April 28th, 2009
8:09 am

About D.J. Moore – Stop Watch vs Competition It’s the NFL where what you did in college means very little and what your physical attributes means everything. It’s coaches and scouts protecting their ass. It explains Ryan Leaf. It explains Joe Hamilton and many other players that get extra chances and some that get none like Godsey who was a winner.

snapshot

April 28th, 2009
8:12 am

Michael Johnson will have the most success in the NFL. Should have been first round. Stafford is starting out with the wrong team.

Saint Nick

April 28th, 2009
8:16 am

We won moron, you lost by 35!!!!!!!!!!!!Read your own post dumba$$!!!!

HEDGEPRUNER

April 28th, 2009
9:43 am

the moron is you little pecker head st moron, you lost to Louisana Monroe, Tech has never lost to a school of that caliber, and then choked to Utah, how embarassing you idiot….at least we lost to the defending national champs, what was LM rated ?????? you da MORON !

Supersize that order, mutt

April 28th, 2009
10:21 am

Who gives a rip how many players from which school or conference got drafted and in what round? Some of the best players in the history of college football NEVER made it in the pros. Pro ball is an entirely different game. I wouldn’t waste my money to go see one, and I seldom watch pro games on the tube. But I would watch ANY college team play anywhere. In spite of all the players UGAG had drafted, they still got whomped by Bama and Florida and beat between the hedges by the Jackets. So much for pro-worthy, highly recruited players. It all boils down to who plays the best on a given Saturday. 45 – 42. And don’t tell me a 3-point victory doesn’t mean anything. Look at how many 3 to 6 point victories both schools have had throughout history. I guess those that UGAG won by only 3 points didn’t mean anything either, huh? Get real!!

GEORGIA 1980

April 28th, 2009
11:58 am

supersize that order mutt

you are right, this Tech Uga rivalry is closer than it looks, and i think is and hass been one of the most underrated rivalries in the history of college football! Even if one team is having a bad year, nothing matters at that game! Everything is thrown out the window!

b

April 28th, 2009
1:15 pm

BuLLdawg – funny you should bring up rankings cause you WILL find Tech ranked above Uga come week 1 of 2009… i guess you and the pollsters have realized that this aint chan gailey anymore.. tgag

USCDawg

April 28th, 2009
3:30 pm

Great…Pac-10 has 10 teams and they still have more per capita than those bloated conferences.

USC trumps all of the SEC teams for what…4th year in a row? Southern Cal will always own the SEC.

Trus1te

August 18th, 2009
8:28 am

Well, this board looks like its dead, but I just need to say this: why did Tony Carter miss the draft boards? As an avid FSU fan, I’ve been watching that guy since he flew on the radar with two blocked field goals kicks in a 20-27 loss against Clemson in I think was ‘05 (my college period, 03-07, blew). Though small, he has been extremely durable and I cannot remember a period of him being injured. I would have thought someone would have tried to beef him up and put his incredible cover skills to good use.