Update: Thrashers sale not done, still details
After a full day of reporting, there is little new on the sale and relocation of the Thrashers to Winnipeg.
According to multiple sources, the deal between the Atlanta Spirit and True North Sports and Entertainment has not been completed. There are still details to work out. I have also been told by multiple sources that it is “unlikely” a deal will be agreed upon in time for an announcement Thursday.
Of the minor details that still need to be worked out, the sale price is not one of them. The terms remain $170 million with the Atlanta Spirit getting $110 million and the NHL getting $60 million as a relocation fee.
Once the final details are finalized, all that really needs to be done is the official announcement that an agreement of sale has been reached.
I will provide updates if there are any new developments.
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Sage of Bluesland
May 25th, 2011
10:36 pm
I’m sorry, but your assertions that this is entirely the fans’ fault is simply unconvincing. Try as you might to parse the data in your favor, you leave much room for reasonable doubt.
Your belief in assumptions are quite faulty–and foolhardy, to say the least. If you honestly believe that ’since TBS was a good owner with the Braves and they won’, then the same relationship must hold with its other sport entities, then you are quite naive and young.
But, there was a time when I was an idealist, as well, so I do understand. Ignorant? Yes. But, it is somewhat amusing to see these blunt-tools of “analysis” keep being presented ceaselessly…
Getthepuckouttahere
May 25th, 2011
10:37 pm
I’l be watching my team on Center Ice next season, just like this year, what will EX-Thrasher fans be doing? Still sitting here blaming ASG for losing a second franchise. BOO HOO!!!
lombardi
May 25th, 2011
10:40 pm
THRASHERFAN ; While 680, as usual, continues to suck, the ATL is no more a hockey town than Cleveland.
Getthepuckouttahere
May 25th, 2011
10:41 pm
If your definition of a troll is anyone who disagrees with you and can back it up, then half this thread will disappear. Deal with it. Freedom of speech pal!
OHL
May 25th, 2011
10:41 pm
Sage of Bluesland,
While you claim that “If you honestly believe that ’since TBS was a good owner with the Braves and they won’, then the same relationship must hold with its other sport entities, then you are quite naive and young” you then have to provide proof then that TBS was a bad owner. THAT, you don’t seem to be able to do.
Why was TBS a bad owner when you didn’t attend the games of the team they owned?
Keep Hockey in Atlanta
May 25th, 2011
10:42 pm
“Freedom of speech pal!”
Someone fails at understanding what the 1st Amendment means.
ATLThrasher
May 25th, 2011
10:43 pm
“… One thing to be thankful for: There are few married veteran players on the Thrashers: When the Flames moved to Calgary in 1980, the divorce rate among players was crazy high. ”
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Atlanta/2011/05/21/pf-18177716.html
Not to get all factual and deal in reality like OHL does so well . . .
Sage of Bluesland
May 25th, 2011
10:58 pm
But, I’m NOT the one making the claim that the fans are exclusively to blame–which is the foundation, as best as I can interpret, of your “analysis” (as you can likely tell, I use that term very loosely in your case).
You have yet to prove this assertion definitively with the scattered “evidence”, if you can call it that. I would more properly categorize it as simplistic assumptions and the workings of a fertile, if young, mind.
Al
May 25th, 2011
10:59 pm
I have to say sorry to you all for the chance of loosing your NHL team to Canada. I am in Canada and was searching the web to see what is going on with the sale. I rmember not to long ago when there was another Atlants team that went to Canada. Yes I am talking about the Calgary Flames back in 80-81 season. Back then you were able to keep the Flames for 8 great seasons. What was learned was that Atlanta still really needed a NHL Hockey Club so during Bettman’s “I gotta a feeling campaign” there was a need to put a team back in Atlanta in 99. Well since then there has been lock outs and well lets face it the economy has really been hit. There is so many excuses that could be used for the team going up for sale to it’s current owners group to ticket holders so on so on.
I grew up in Vancouver and was there for the expantion when they came to town in 71. What have I seen was a city that embraced them through the 70’s when they were mediocore @ best and then came the 80’s where we had our “Miracle on Ice” but found our team swept in 4 games by Mike Bossy and the rest of the New York Islanders. It takes time to build a team and I have to say with the tough economic times your team is up for sale. IAs an owner they look to make money and if revenues are down and cost of travel is up as well as everything else. Atlanta average ticket price $45.00 Vancouver average $62.08. You don’t have to be einstein to see that there is a noticable difference and considering right now our Dollar value is higher than the American Green Back.
In order for a team to be able to sustain in a market it has to be able to support it self.
If the Thrashers do move to Winnipeg remember to cheer for them regardless if they are in Canada or not, they were your team 1st.
Sage of Bluesland
May 25th, 2011
11:05 pm
Oh, and may I add this asinine comparison to the city of Columbus? I haven’t seen such foolish stretches of logic since apples were compared to oranges back in the day….
(for you young, ignorant, pups who actually may believe everything you read…)
hockey fan
May 25th, 2011
11:17 pm
bettman may be a problem but ownership is the real reason hockey failed here
Billsen
May 25th, 2011
11:18 pm
“I don’t know about Winnipeg. I don’t think the guys (players) want to go because (Atlanta) is a great city. When we made the playoffs here a couple of years ago this city (Atlanta) was buzzing. We sold out every game. At some point ownership has to do something.” – Ilya Kovalchuk (AFTER he joined the Devils.)
Oh, and for the record, tonight’s score:
“Non Traditional Hockey Market in the South”: 5
Team that averaged 1600 less than the Thrashers in 2006-07″: 4
Bring on Game 7.
Big Wally
May 25th, 2011
11:19 pm
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Cases like “get the puck” and “OHL” are only here to rub our noses in it, while in the midst of losing our Thrashers. By bashing the fans (in our darkest hours), it gives them some sort of sick, perverted happiness. I suspect that these two have some sort of deep rooted emotional issues, since they continually feel the need to bash Thrasher fans. Perhaps “daddy” didn’t hug them enough when they were kids, they got picked on in school, were always last in sports, etc. We may be losing our hockey team, but these two have lost their dignity.
OHL
May 25th, 2011
11:21 pm
Sage of Bluesland,
Both Atlanta and Columbus came into the league the same year, both have 1 playoff appearance, neither won a playoff game, I think it’s apples to apples to compare Columbus to Atlanta in terms of what you want an NHL market to look like. But to see how Columbus supported the team very well right from the start and to this day still has shown great interest in hockey. Atlanta on the other hand can’t provide proof of either of those things.
I would also like to know, why didn’t Atlanta support NHL hockey when TBS owned the team? Can you tell me that Sage of Bluesland?
Mark
May 25th, 2011
11:22 pm
Reality check: the Thrashers lowest average attendance for any season in Atlanta is higher than the Winnipeg Jets average attendance during their last season in Winnipeg in 1995-96
Thrashers addict
May 25th, 2011
11:29 pm
As a person who lives in Atlanta but previously lived in Canada for many years I would like to let everyone know that most Canadians are very nice and friendly. The majority of Canadians posting on this site are giving the rest of the citizens a bad name. I am embarrassed that these people are representing a great country in such a pathetic manner. I hope to have the Thrashers remain in Atlanta, there are arguements on both sides that are valid. It hurts any hockey fan to see their team leave regardless of the reason but to represent your country in a such a demoralizing manner lacks class.
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:33 pm
Mark… dumbass… everyone knew the team was moving that year. did you expect a sellout ?
no, instead it was like a braves playoff game… plenty of seats available
G52PIM228
May 25th, 2011
11:34 pm
Nobody EVER went to the jets games, it is why it was just not practical for the city to build a facility for the poorly supported team..
OHL
May 25th, 2011
11:34 pm
“We sold out every game”
Oh man, there were only 2 games!! I would hope you could sell BOTH of them out.
“Team that averaged 1600 less than the Thrashers in 2006-07″
That’s great, you only had to go back 4 years to find when that last happened. Instead of using years to point that out, you should’ve said “team that only had lower attendance than the Thrashers once this decade” Oh wait, maybe something else. How about “team that got 14 times the Nielsen rating of the Thrashers this year” No, that doesn’t sound too good either.
G52PIM228
May 25th, 2011
11:35 pm
The only thing “traditional” about the loserpeg market is they traditionally do not show up for pro-hockey..
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:36 pm
oh wait, that’s Glendale
my bad
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:39 pm
last team out of Asslanta turn out the lights
G52PIM228
May 25th, 2011
11:40 pm
loserpeg had 190 million for a CFL stadium but NOTHING for the jets..
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:44 pm
wish we had an owner for our team
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:44 pm
I heard the chicken hawks are going to leave asslanta too ?
we could use a 2nd NBA team in the valley
Big Wally
May 25th, 2011
11:46 pm
You can have ours.
Big Wally
May 25th, 2011
11:49 pm
Hawks won’t leave. Our mayor would actually do something to keep them.
Big Wally
May 25th, 2011
11:52 pm
You had Joe Johnson once and we got him. The rest couldn’t tell you what state Glendale is in.
G52PlM228
May 25th, 2011
11:54 pm
I hear the players would rather play in glendale than atlanta.
RC
May 25th, 2011
11:55 pm
I’m glad mayor Reid wasn’t dumb and pay a niche sport 25 million to run a league-owned team lol!
Big Wally
May 26th, 2011
12:00 am
Actually I blame Phoenix for this whole Thrasher mess. If Phoenix would have resigned Joe Johnson, the Hawks wouldn’t have signed him. If the Hawks didn’t sign him, then there wouldn’t have been a lawsuit between the owners. No lawsuit, would have meant more money to put into the Thrashers instead of attorneys. Thrashers would have then kept Heatley and Kovy and won the Stanley Cup. Ok, it’s time for bed.
G52PlM228
May 26th, 2011
12:00 am
well 50 million now, but what’s your point ?
Brian
May 26th, 2011
12:01 am
I’m from Winnipeg and am sorry to see a city lose their team, but am I ever stoked about getting one again. I would rather have had the one that was taken from us in the first place, but yours will do. We promise to take good care of them.
Sir Hat Trick
May 26th, 2011
12:11 am
Thrashers27,
Technically, that’s not correct. Turner Broadcasting was acquired by Time Warner in October, 1996. Three years before the Thrashers hit the ice. Atlanta wasn’t awarded the franchise until June, 1997, a delta of 8 months. Obviously Ted Turner spearheaded the bid to acquire the franchise prior to the acquistion by Time Warner, but the actual founding of the team did not occur until after Time Warner controlled Turner Broadcasting. The franchise then obviously fell under the same Braves/Hawks/Thrashers sports umbrella, but Ted Turner did not have the open checkbook authority to spend on these teams after the merger like he did during the overspending Andy Messersmith/Bruce Sutter “heydays” with the Braves. Ultimately, a bean-counter outside Atlanta made the bottom-line team budgeting decisions. And after the Time Warner/AOL merger, the franchises became even less of priority on the corporate balance sheet. Thus, the Thrashers eventually becoming the sacrificial lambs of the ASG.
The whole point of my post was to counter the incorrect assumption by the Huguenots posting here that the Thrashers have always been locally owned (locally HQ’d and locally owned are two different things) and well-funded, and thus the failure of the franchise was due to other factors…ie, the fans. That is simply not true. The Thrashers failed here because (pick any ownership group: Time Warner, AOL and ASG) simply didn’t give a rip. However I sincerely believe that had Ted Turner remained autonomous, if for no other reason than because of his competitive nature, the Thrashers would have least been able to compete with the same resources being invested by other owners in other market.
Bottom line for any Atlanta sports team: if team ownership consistently demonstrates they are either not interested in winning, or have no idea how to win, the average fan (of any sport) in this town easily tunes out. The Falcons are a prime example. I disagree with the prevailing thought that the Smith’s didn’t care when they owned the Falcons. They definitely cared, but could never bring together all the elements needed to produce a winner. Anyone who has lived in this city for any amount of time can tell stories of more tumbleweeds than fans at Falcons games in Fulton County, and later at the Georgia Dome. Just like the Thrashers today, the Falcons had a hard-core group of fans, but they (we!) were virtually outnumbered by “Dunwoody 49ers” in the Stadium during the 80’s. And “Jonesboro Cowboys” in the Dome during the 90’s. The general Atlanta sports fan was just as ambivalent towards the Falcons at that time as they are towards the Thrashers today. But thankfully for us all, a local guy who GAVE A CRAP bought the Falcons and made a commitment to the fans that his team would be well-managed with the only ultimate goal being the Super Bowl. Since Blank took over the Falcons we haven’t always been good (PETRINO!), but NEVER did Arthur Blank ever insult the fanbase and tell them to “deal with it”. Even in hard times, you had the sense better days were inevitable. And that’s all a fan of any team ultimately really needs to maintain faith and the expenditure of precious dollars: Hope.
The ASG kicked Thrashers fans hopes in the nuggets on Day 1 and never ceased. And that’s why we’re here today enduring taunts from a bunch of frogs.
Thrashers addict
May 26th, 2011
12:26 am
still a disgrace to the country of Canada
ATLThrasher
May 26th, 2011
12:43 am
The divorce rate issue for players is relevant cuz it can affect the quality of player that goes to Winter-peg. It is going to be a harder sell to attract top talent to small markets than to larger markets like Vancouver, NYC, L.A., Montreal, etc.
Just ask Gretzsky that moved from Edmonton to L.A. to NYC after marrying a Hollywood actress.
BTW, the Winnepeg posters that show politeness and tact are much appreciated by this Thrashers fan at least.
The other Peg posters with etiquette issues are duly *ignored*. Sorry . . .
Thrasher Hi-life
May 26th, 2011
12:48 am
Does anyone have a good link to the history of the Spirit Group Ownership? This is a fasinating case study in stupid business practices
ATLThrasher
May 26th, 2011
12:59 am
BTW, I think an owner of Arthur Blank quality with Dmitroff type GM running the team would have put the Thrasher on par with teams like Nashville and Tampa Bay with the commiserate game attendances, local TV ratings and financial strength.
The only big difference between traditional hockey markets and new Sourhern markets is that there not much room for error for mis-management before the team’s first Stanley Cup Finals series appearance.
sobaka
May 26th, 2011
1:05 am
Hey Billy Bob, Thrasherdawg, and Hillman: Is this Anson Carter rumor just a last-minute ditch to give Thrasher fans some reason to hope, or is there some credence to it? As for all you Atlanta-bashers: no city would have supported the Thrashers any better had they been your team. As for OHL, I live in Ohio and have followed hockey far longer than you. I’ve gotten significantly discounted tickets on many occasions, and no question that the attendance figures at many CBJ games have been grossly inflated. There is no point in trying to humiliate Thrasher fans who have stuck with the team through all of this. When hockey came in as a new sport in 1999 and offered not a sniff of respectability save one playoff year, then it’s hard to find fault with the fans. Also note that CBJ season ticket holders fell of by 25% last year, so don’t act like Cowtown is the second coming of hockey town.
MB
May 26th, 2011
1:11 am
A few comments here:
1) Atlanta is not a hockey town. Sorry, but it’s not. Hockey is the 5th most popular sport here following college football, NFL, MLB, and NBA. The percentage of residents who would rank hockey as their favorite sport is relatively low. The opposite is true in Canada, where there is really only one professional sport…okay, 1.5 (CFL). Average Thrashers attendance increased noticeably following football season, and suffered significantly on days when either college or pro football was played.
2) For an NHL team to prosper here, it has to win and the populace has to perceive that it’s being run the “right” way, I assume similar to MLB or NBA in Canada. This is where the Thrashers and the ASG (and AOL/TW) failed. In its inaugural season, the team averaged 17,206, about 93% of capacity at Philips Arena (and better than places with “good” fans such as Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver). Once the novelty wore off, the team had little success and faith in ownership/management waned, and not surprisingly attendance fell.
3) Winnipeg, I wish you and the Thrashers/Jets/Falcons (really?) well, but you’re going to have to do better than last time. Unlike the well-documented rally of 35,000, Jets games averaged just over 13,000, about 85% of capacity (and only 3 of 11 sellouts in playoff games?). With MTS Centre only holding 15,015 (is that correct?), you’ll need to sell out every single game just to be 26th in the NHL in attendance. BTW, we’ve averaged more than that 6 seasons here. And no more 8,000 for a playoff game like in ‘86 (was that held at a high school?).
4) For OHL and his comparisons of ATL to Columbus, hey, give Columbus credit…from 2000 to 2003 they ranked in the top half of NHL attendance, better than some traditional markets and even Canadian markets such as Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa. From ‘06-’08 attendance numbers in the two markets were very comparable, and this year the two finished 27th and 28th in the league. Population-wise Atlanta should outdraw Columbus, though you’d also have to take into consideration the presence of greater competition here (NFL, MLB, NBA, and, of course, sunshine).
I hate to see us lose the NHL for a second time, though I think it’s inevitable. I’ll try to support the Gladiators, but truthfully they’ve been so bad when I’ve gone, it’s almost painful to watch. I anticipate some road trips to Nashville and maybe even Raleigh for a hockey fix now and then. Who knows, maybe I’ll eventually make it up to Winnipeg for a game…maybe when they’re playing Calgary.
OHL = Formally Known As Earl of Bud
May 26th, 2011
1:22 am
trolling away again in Thrasherville
Brian
May 26th, 2011
1:36 am
In Winnipeg, when the jets left attendance wasn’t the reason the team couldn’t remain profitable. Winnipeg enterprises owned the arena and leased it to the Jets. The team never got profits from the concessions or other attractions the arena had. (concerts and other revenue generating events) They got ticket sales and team jersey sales only. The Canadian dollar was about $0.62 US and no salery cap. For teams today the building is what makes money and all the tenants, with all the ticket and concesions. If you don’t own the team and the building you won’t be profitable. It’s happening right now in Edmonton, new owner wants a new building because being a tenant of Northlands (the group thats owns the arena) means he doesn’t get the profit from the money events. And being a tenant won’t make a profit. The thrashers had a deal to stay in the building for so many years along with your basketball team, to pay the massive cost of the building. But with no TV revenue and low attendance, the Thrashers are a drain on the deal. Their opperating cost are to high and cost the building money rather than add to the bottom line. It all comes down to billionares ego, they want to own a sports franchise to show off to their billionare friends, all at the expence of sports fans. I know what this feels like. It sucks!
Columbus
May 26th, 2011
1:52 am
NHL hockey will be back in Atlanta. I do not care what others think, it will be when the economy turns around in 5 plus years. The ownership is the key and it must be an owner like Arthur Blank who knows business and knows people and will hire the RIGHT people and who will SPEND money. You cannot only make the PLAYOFFS ONCE in 11 years and have people in the seats. I do not care what people say about the attendance in the early years or the NHL lockout. It comes down to having a team to get EXCITED about who also can make the playoffs frequently. You have to win baby! You also MUST have some big names people want to see play. Thrashers got rid of the only names they had. Oh an by the way Heatley did kill his teammate although it be indirectly. He was at fault for the death of his teammate indirectly as it was caused by his unintentional actions.
Kelly
May 26th, 2011
2:13 am
thrasher27: Chris is using a long-accepted practice in journalism of using sources who speak on the condition they not be identified. Mark Felt would never have been Deep Throat and Nixon may never have been exposed had Felt not trusted Woodward and Bernstein to not identify him.
Just because Chris can’t tell you who the sources are doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not being honest about their existence or what they are telling him. If he outed them, they would stop giving him any information at all. And then you, faithful reader, have only ‘official’ communiques to go by. Without anonymous sources, Big Brother wins.
BPhil
May 26th, 2011
2:37 am
OHL- “I would also like to know, why didn’t Atlanta support NHL hockey when TBS owned the team? Can you tell me that Sage of Bluesland?”
Lets clear something up first: Turner Broadcasting Systems never actually owned the Thrashers. As Sir Hat Trick notes, TBS merged with Time Warner in 1996, the Thrasher’s inaugural season wasn’t until 1999. I guess you could credit TBS and Ted Turner with getting the NHL to award a franchise to Atlanta, but as far as funding the team, day-to-day operations, etc., Ted and TBS really did not have a say as Sir Hat Trick once again noted (good post, btw).
Anyway now that we have that cleared up, back to your question OHL. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure Time Warner only owned the Thrashers for tax reasons. Note that during the time Time Warner owned the Braves, payroll was cut significantly. So if TW wasn’t going to invest in arguably Atlanta’s flagship sports team (sorry guys, I realize this is a hockey blog, but I think you guys would agree) why would it make the Thrashers a top priority? To answer the question it didn’t, so as soon as TW had exhausted all the tax benefits the Thrashers (and the Braves and Hawks, for that matter) provided them TW promptly dumped them to their prospective owners.
Just wondering, OHL, but why are you giving TBS/TW/whatever all the credit for the Braves winning? Doesn’t John Schuerholz (spell check? Sorry John) or Bobby Cox deserve any of the credit? I know you like doing research OHL so if you look into it you might find that the Braves didn’t start winning until Ted Turner hired some competent people to (let them) do their jobs and run that team the right way. And that makes me wonder why Don Waddell is escaping all this finger pointing? He was there at the start and was given the keys by BOTH TW and ASG to run the Thrashers. Beats me, I guess. Also it should be noted that Atlanta Fulton County Stadium could have been mistaken for a ghost town until that turnaround happened, and the Braves were cellar-dwellers (a couple of exceptions, but for the most part) for twenty years previous to that. When the Braves started winning the fans started coming, how ironic.
OHL I’m sorry if that was a roundabout way to answer your question but TW never cared about the Thashers, and it didn’t care about the Braves either-Ted Turner did. The Braves flourished when they had a local, passionate owner. The same thing now with the Falcons (irony is everywhere). Are you catching on, OHL? Passionate ownership = success, or at least an ecouraged fan base.
Fans are not to be blamed for this situation, we support what we believe in. If ASG/TW/Don Waddel gave us a reason to believe, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. Atlanta is not a bad sports town, we would support a MLS or even a MLL team if the ownership gave a darn about what he/she was doing.
So give credit where credit is due, OHL, and blame where blame is deserved. I’m sorry this was such a long answer, and I look forward to your reply.
Chris
May 26th, 2011
6:19 am
Thrasherfan,
680 the Fan and 790 the Zone definitely bear some responsibility in not covering the Thrashers with the same intensity and professionalism as other pro sports. If I had a dime for every time they ran a sports blast the day after a Thrashers game and didn’t even give the score I’d buy the team myself.
The final straw for me was this year the day after the Thrashers were eliminated from the playoffs they didn’t even give the score, but they lead off with a recap of the Braves SPRING TRAINING game!
Whomever the programming director is at 680, he needs to go, nobody gives a rip about a Braves spring training game and its obvious that they spend way too much time covering the Braves because they have a deal to air the games. They should just change the name of the station to “680 the Braves”.
blazerdawg
May 26th, 2011
6:25 am
Hold out for $200M+ ASG – they want the Thrashers bad and can taste it – don’t give them away – try to make it one more year and let us fill Philips Arena.
Bring back Custance
May 26th, 2011
7:06 am
the ASG is sadly the best thing we Thrasher fans have goin for us. They can’t agree on anything and if this were a done deal, it’d obviously be done now wouldn’t it? The longer it drags out, the more of a microscopic hope we fans can have. C’mon ASG, start suing each other.
I don’t buy the Anson Carter stuff, sounds more like Canadian media, believe it or not, who knows type of stuff. Even if the offered amount was valid, that is fairly low for a basketball franchise that makes the playoffs, a hockey franchise + a serviceable arena. Just sayin’..if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is, not to mention the fact that again, buyers are dealing with the ASG..not all of the ‘Spirit’ even want to sell all 3, thus the problems..thus it drags out and hopefully we few but loud Thrasher fans get our wish.
Egghead
May 26th, 2011
7:14 am
Oh look who’s here from Glendale G52 you horse’s kock you. Tells all the Winnipeg fans were trolls when we try and intelligently discuss his team, then comes on here to spout crap. I saw a post by this worm last week here saying Atlanta doesn’t support their team. One word comes to mind Hypocrite. You loser. Truth is clown can’t trust two faced slime bag Americans Like YOU. The rest of you, your all good. This board has a 1000 times more class then the boneheads I dealt with on the Glendale rag. Just a bunch of desert hillbillie’s straight up. Drop dead G52.
Egghead
May 26th, 2011
7:18 am
Oh yeah G52 must suck cheering for a rental team. Glendale can cover the loss’s for a few more years then bettman wil move them out of there. L.V Kansas maybe even Quebec. And you’ll be stuck with the bill and no team. Watch and see if it does not happen. Seriously wish this tunred out the other way around cause the fans I ran into in Atlanta were a classy bunch compared to the losers at the yotes games, drinking too many 1 dollar beers. G52 is a fool!!