By Chris Vivlamore and Tim Tucker
It may be the 11th hour, but some Atlanta hockey fans are clinging to hope.
With the Atlanta Spirit ownership group deep into negotiations to sell the Thrashers to True North Sports and Entertainment, which would move the franchise to Winnipeg, current and prospective season-ticket holders plan to attend a select-a-seat event here Saturday.
“Our select-a-seat event will take place as planned at Philips Arena,” Thrashers president Don Waddell said Friday.
Team officials and owners declined to comment on the negotiations with the Winnipeg group.
One person familiar with the negotiations, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the fluid and sensitive situation, said no agreement had been reached as of Friday afternoon but that talks and progress continued. The person said complex issues were being hammered out and that it’s difficult to predict when a deal might be completed.
Talks also continued with a prospective buyer willing to keep the team in Atlanta, but indications were that the sale to the Winnipeg group could happen as early as next week.
The Canadian Press reported that Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz said Friday that although nothing is signed, sealed or delivered yet, there is an understanding the relocation “is going to happen” and it is just “a matter of time” before a deal is announced.
The Thrashers organization continues to operate. In fact, at least one new season ticket was sold Friday. The select-a-seat event will be run by ticket representatives with no team executives, coaches or players in attendance. The event will coincide with a gathering of Thrashers fans at the gulch area outside the arena.
For some, the seat event will be a chance to show support.
“We are going about it like business as usual in hopes there is still a season,” said Charlie Clarke. “It seems like the writing is on the wall, but you look at other situations like in Sacramento with the [NBA’s] Kings. The fan base thought it was over. and something happened to keep the team.
“There is no reason now not to go. I know it’s a bit of a tease, but I’m holding out that .001 percent chance.”
Others see it as an opportunity to walk down memory lane.
“I’ll be going to the event, but I’m treating it at it as if I’m going to a funeral,” said Brett Lang, who described himself as a season-ticket holder since Day One. “I will go sit in the seats that my friends, family, and I enjoyed for the 11 seasons, quietly reflect on the good times, and say farewell just like a funeral.”
For one Thrashers fan, the chances of losing the team were enough to make him change his plans to attend the season- ticket event. Darren Schuster had planned to attend as a show of support.
“When I think about how much I put into this team and how much I got back, it’s pathetic,” Schuster said. “You can’t blame the fans. When the team was spending money and winning, the fans showed up.”
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman was informed of the fan gathering on his weekly call-in radio show, broadcast Thursday night on satellite radio and the Internet, by a Thrashers fan.
“It will be interesting to see how many people show up at the rally on Saturday,” Bettman said.
The caller also told Bettman that the Thrashers drew impressive crowds in their first five seasons and attributed recent attendance problems to ownership that has not put a competitive team on the ice.
“I understand that there may be dissatisfaction there, but demonstrating your dissatisfaction by not going to games is an interesting strategy,” Bettman said. “It’s your absolute right. But if it becomes a turnoff for anybody who might want to buy the franchise, the long-term consequences could be severe.”
Bettman vigorously denied that a deal is done to move the Thrashers. “I can tell you that with certainty,” he said. But he did not rule out the possibility and telegraphed what likely will be the NHL’s position if relocation occurs: that no qualified buyer was willing to own and operate the team in Atlanta.
“The decision as to whether or not to move a club doesn’t come out of looking at two markets and saying, ‘This market would be better than that market,’” Bettman said. “We try to keep our clubs where they are. And if it is ultimately determined that a club has to move, generally the reason . . . is because nobody wants to own a team there anymore, nobody wants to fund the losses.”
The Thrashers’ owners have been seeking a buyer or investors for two years, and have said since February that they face a “sense of urgency” to shed the team’s operating losses, one way or another. The owners have contended in court documents that the team has lost $130 million since 2005.
“The key to this may be, in the final analysis, whether or not somebody wants to own the team in Atlanta,” Bettman said. “In the absence of either the current ownership group continuing to own and operate or somebody stepping forward who wants to buy the club, that becomes the situation that concerns us or any sports league.
“We’ll only leave a market … if we have to,” Bettman said.
Making a deal to sell, let alone relocate, a team is a complex process involving the buyer, the seller and the NHL, each represented by groups of lawyers and financial advisors.
Atlanta Spirit and True North would have to complete a purchase-and-sale agreement. True North and the NHL would have to complete an “undertaking” agreement, spelling out the buyer’s commitments to the league. The parties would have to agree on how much of the money paid by True North would go to the NHL, rather than to the Spirit, as a relocation fee.
It is believed True North would pay as much as $170 million for the team, with $60 million going to the NHL and $110 million to the Spirit.
Ultimately, the NHL Board of Governors, which consists of one representative from each team, would have to vote to ratify a sale and relocation. A 75-percent vote is required to approve a new owner, and a majority vote is required to approve a relocation.
Here’s an indication of the complexities involved: When the Atlanta Spirit bought the Hawks and Thrashers in 2004, each member of the then-new ownership group had to sign his name 372 times on documents that filled six binders, each about six inches thick.
*** Thanks to all the fans who responded to my request and those I talked to but couldn’t fit into the story. I appreciate your help and your passion.
553 comments Add your comment
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
6:04 pm
I’ll put clips from Winnipeg’s first game on YouTube.
G52PlM228
May 21st, 2011
6:07 pm
hope they play the flames in the first game
hopefully being in atlanta hasn’t cursed these teams so much that both teams lose that game
Terry
May 21st, 2011
6:10 pm
Wow, all this hate for each other. How is it nobody is bragging about all your fans that showed up for the rally this afternoon (200, I hear). When the Jets left in 15 years ago 30,000 showed up. If that doesn’t paint the picture for you what does
Sullys dad
May 21st, 2011
6:12 pm
Did they sell any season tickets today?? Just asking!!
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
6:16 pm
When you idiots stop booing our Anthem, I’ll stop burning your banners. Deal?
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
6:24 pm
Anthem booing? When?
Sullys dad
May 21st, 2011
6:25 pm
ttp://www.guelphmercury.com/sports/hockey/article/535585–little-not-surprised-thrashers-might-move-to-winnipeg
Bryan Littles Interview
smh
May 21st, 2011
6:25 pm
come on now they showing fans protest on tv and I dont see not ONE african american out there.
Thesawch
May 21st, 2011
6:26 pm
ttp://www.guelphmercury.com/sports/hockey/article/535585–little-not-surprised-thrashers-might-move-to-winnipeg
G52PlM228
May 21st, 2011
6:27 pm
200 people LMAO
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
6:31 pm
Wouldn’t have trouble selling tickets if they actually had a respectful ownership who cared about Atlanta and cared about winning
G52PlM228
May 21st, 2011
6:33 pm
Cambridge’s Bryan Little isn’t surprised the Atlanta Thrashers appear to be on their way to Winnipeg.
“Hockey isn’t exactly a top-five sport in Atlanta and they have trouble selling tickets down there, so in that way, I think it might be for the best,”
G52PlM228
May 21st, 2011
6:34 pm
if he were a coyote, he wouldn’t want to leave the valley
Todb
May 21st, 2011
6:34 pm
200 people showed up, why bother but if you figure it the way Atlanta does there NHL attendance figures that had to be what 12,000. No wonder they lost 25 million last year!
Ulf Nilsson
May 21st, 2011
6:44 pm
200 people. Not bad – that is 0.00000018 % of your population. Plus burning Winnipeg stuff in effigy? Hang on a minute – that is bad. Don’t share this information with the NHL. It might not help your cause.
Ulf Nilsson
May 21st, 2011
6:50 pm
Hold on there a second – I made a decimal error!! Do not sell this rally short. There was 0.000018% of your population at the rally which isn’t too bad… no that still isn’t good and burning Winnipeg stuff will probably not go very far in convincing NHL head office in New York.
phxismybitch
May 21st, 2011
6:51 pm
Wow!!! Ulf is here as well. 94 assists in his rookie year!!!
Pegger8
May 21st, 2011
6:51 pm
By the way couldn’t they pick a better locale to burn the banner, or is barbed fencing, traffic, unkempt foliage, and concrete what Atlanta is all about? “Attention all Thrasher fans: lets meet in the hub of the city to burn a Jets banner, that’ll learn em”! And then all 50 fans giggle and snicker on there way to the Atlanta culture and arts district to burn the Jets banner.
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
6:55 pm
HEY – Blame Canada – the Anthem booing you allege. Where and when?
Pegger8
May 21st, 2011
6:56 pm
Sorry, it just made me laugh when I watched the video. I don’t know what made me laugh harder, the number of people or the location. But seriously, I do apologize to the classy hockey fans in that city, it really isn’t fair that they lose that team. I know the REAL fans weren’t there.
Sage of Bluesland
May 21st, 2011
6:56 pm
How embarrassing. Yep, that accomplished alot, didn’t it? It simply reinforced what most believed and perceived.
Whoever is mad at anything-Winnipeg is bat@#$% crazy. You want to blame someone? Blame the ownership.
(and then look in the mirror, sheep, for not taking action sooner; some of you actually believed beyond the reasonable facts and ACTIONS right in front of your faces…Oh well, I tried to do my part to show you the fraud from years ago….yet you refused to listen….Oh well.)
Seeing that embarrassment on video (the banner-burning) actually soothes my feelings over losing this team. Then, seeing some sheep-comments (like from EA) and I think maybe it’s all for the best.
Embarrassing. Well done, Atlanta.
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
6:57 pm
I loved playing with Ulf. Lars-Eric too. Those were the days…
phxismybitch
May 21st, 2011
6:59 pm
And you can’t forget about Peter Sullivan & Markus Mattsson.
Wienerpeg Trolls
May 21st, 2011
6:59 pm
Shows how little there is to do in Wienerpeg that you trolls go to the blogs in other cities. That says it all.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:00 pm
Anders,
Go ask your brothers in Montreal about booing the Anthem. They are very familiar with it.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:02 pm
All you Frenchy’s can go back to your websites any second now.
Kevin
May 21st, 2011
7:03 pm
So 250 people showed up to the rally…that should convince the NHL to keep them in Atlanta…NOT!
This should answer the question, why is there no local buyers? Good job Atlanat you’ve now become the only city to lose TWO NHL franchises!
John Ferguson
May 21st, 2011
7:05 pm
Sage – it is pretty sad that people actually burned a banner – You see stuff like that in places like Tehran but in Atlanta… over hockey. Holy crap – it is not playing well here in Canada I can tell you. Exactly – Winnipeg is not the enemy. Maybe there is stuff that went down in Atlanta – sounds like there was… BUT TNSE is just buying something that is for sale.
We know that there really are some hockey fans in Atlanta and that real hockey fans don’t burn banners. Among 5.5M people, there will be some nutbars
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:07 pm
Oh Montreal – that is a bit of a different case. They are technically part of Canada but with an asterisk.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:08 pm
We’ll stop burning banners when you Frenchy’s stop booing our National Anthem
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:09 pm
Phx – there was also Willy Lindstrom. Never took a slapshot but scored buckets of goals.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:11 pm
MONTREAL (AP) — Fans booed during the playing of the U.S. national anthem before the New York Islanders’ 6-3 victory over the Montreal Canadiens on Thursday night.
The sellout crowd of 21,273 at Bell Centre was asked to “show your support and respect for two great nations” before the singing of the American and Canadian national anthems.
But a significant portion of the crowd booed throughout The Star Spangled Banner
Keep burning your banners Atlanta! Throw in some Habs banners with the Jets! Burn em all
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:11 pm
Sage – can you take the Blame Canada guy and get him a milkshake or something like that. He’s struggling a bit today.
Kent Nilsson
May 21st, 2011
7:13 pm
Ulf!!! Anders!!!! How’s it going guys? Long time no talk to.
Sorry I never backchecked all those years.
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:14 pm
Okay – my serious hat is on. Not cool. Booing the anthem is not at all cool. Really really bush league.
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:15 pm
Kent – I have missed you. Laziest player in the WHA – we all used to say it. Inexplicably, a very good plus/minus though…
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:18 pm
Winnipeg is the coldest city in the world with a population of over 600,000 based on the average night-time temperature during December, January and February, inclusive.
Good luck attracting free agents
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:22 pm
The first fort in Winnipeg was founded in 1738 by French Traders.
They are officially just as French as their neighbors in Quebec.
Kent Nilsson
May 21st, 2011
7:24 pm
Lazy??? If you think I was lazy in Winnipeg, you should have seen my one year in Atlanta. I took lazy to a new level and still easily led the team in scoring!!!
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:25 pm
Yes it is – probably even colder than you can possibly imagine. It is cold. Really cold. Think of cold and then take that amount of cold to the 10th power – Winnipeg is even colder than that. Super cold. Ultra-cold. Colder than cold itself. So cold that ice forms and hockey game break out. So cold that hockey is popular. Stay away Blame guy – it is too cold for you.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:26 pm
Winnipeg’s biggest festival celebrates it’s Frenchy heritage:
“Festival du Voyageur, western Canada’s largest winter festival, celebrates the early French explorers of the Red River Valley”
‘Peg is Frenchy to its core
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:28 pm
Yes blame guy we are French. Oui…Tres bien. More French that you can even dream. We are tres French. More French than France itself.
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:28 pm
There is truly nothing to do in ‘Peg:
“Roller Derby is also gaining popularity in Winnipeg, with three sold-out bouts occurring at the Winnipeg Convention Centre in 2010. The Winnipeg Roller Derby League has three home teams, and one traveling team: The Murder City Maidens.”
LMAO
Blame Canada
May 21st, 2011
7:30 pm
Not only is it beyond freezing, it’s also a great place to raise your kids:
“In 2004, Winnipeg had the fourth-highest overall crime rate among Canadian Census Metropolitan Areas listed, with 12,167 Criminal Code of Canada offences per 100,000 inhabitants; only Regina, Saskatoon, and Abbotsford had higher crime rates. Winnipeg had the highest rate among centres with populations greater than 500,000.”
phxismybitch
May 21st, 2011
7:31 pm
Le club de Hockey Atlanta est en train de Winnipeg le Mardi.
Anders Hedberg
May 21st, 2011
7:32 pm
I am the leading Roller Derby Fan in all of Winnipeg – having seen 271 games. The games are all conducted in French. The season runs from December to February when it is the very very coldest.
Winnipegger
May 21st, 2011
7:32 pm
Next the Falcons are headed to Los Angeles!
Pegger8
May 21st, 2011
7:32 pm
Yes there is a very large French population in Winnipeg particularly in St. Boniface, and also in surrounding areas. We are proud of that too! Nice to see you know how to Google! Haha. Blame Canada, we’ve covered the free agency thing already. No you’re right we won’t be able to attract big name free agents to our city not like Atlanta has over the years. Can you please name one? That you have attracted that and not lost that is. Good luck, you’re gonna be Googling for a while on this one…. I’d throw some names (MANY names) of ex-Jets that lived here year round and loved the city but been there, done that….
phxismybitch
May 21st, 2011
7:32 pm
Maybe we can arrange a Roller Derby grudge match….www.atlantarollergirls.com/
Shan'eegua
May 21st, 2011
7:33 pm
I heard the Falcons are moving too!