No word whether Spirit, True North are in negotiations

It is unclear this morning if the Thrashers have been granted  permission by the NHL to begin negotiations with True North Sports and Entertainment, the entity that would purchase the franchise and move it to Winnipeg, or if those talks have already begun.

However, it does appear the situation is headed in that direction. All attempts to find a buyer with the intention – and wherewithal – to keep the franchise in Atlanta have not moved past the preliminary stage. After signing a non-disclosure agreement for an initial look at team financial records, a prospective buyer must provide proof of the financial assets to complete a sale. No interested party has done so to this point. Time is running out.

As I was told and reported this week, things could move quickly in regard to a sale and relocation. Although, contrary to reports, it won’t get done by this weekend.

There is also no timetable on the possible completion of a deal with True North. It is also not known if such an agreement could be reached in time for next season. The structure for a deal could be in place as True North had first hoped to acquire the Phoenix Coyotes, owned by the NHL, until a resolution was reached to kept the team in Arizona for another season earlier this week. The Glendale City Council voted to pay $25 million to the NHL for operating expenses to keep the team at least for next season.

NHL bylaws require that an owner seeking to relocate a team submit a written application to the commissioner by Jan. 1 of the year preceding the proposed move — “unless a majority of the [clubs] consents to a later filing date.” That clause and caveat leave open the question of whether a move, if a deal is reached, would be for the 2011-12 or 2012-13 season.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, speaking on NHL Live radio Thursday, said the situation in Phoenix differs from Atlanta.

“With respect to any other franchise, it comes down to ownership,” Bettman said. “It’s the reason we ended up leaving Quebec City and Winnipeg. Those teams moved when nobody wanted to own the club there anymore. If you get to that position, where somebody is not prepared to own the club anymore and you can’t find a new perspective purchaser, then you are really between a rock and a hard place.

“We know that the current ownership of the Thrashers has been trying for a long period of time to try and sell the franchise and they haven’t been able to do it. … If they can’t find local ownership, then we might all have to deal with that. But I know they have tried very hard and I assume that they continue to try very hard.”

Bettman echoed deputy commissioner Bill Daly’s statements to the AJC’s Jeff Schultz earlier in the day and would not guarantee that the Thrashers would be in Atlanta next season. Bettman said questions about the team’s future were not his to answer and referred them to team ownership.

393 comments Add your comment

canofpeas

May 13th, 2011
9:45 am

can we get a high schooler here to tweet that they are staying?

Canes fan

May 13th, 2011
9:52 am

Let Winnipeg move the team then get the Coyotes from Glendale when next $25 mill comes due

radeksmom

May 13th, 2011
9:53 am

Chris

May 13th, 2011
9:55 am

What happened to all three parts of ASG being for sale?

Do Gearon and Levenson think that by refusing any bid for all three entities and thus, expelling NHL hockey from Atlanta that they won’t be total PARIAH’s in the community? Yes, some out-of-town carpetbagger could do it. But I don’t think they can remain as visible Hawks’ owners after shafting Atlantans so bad. But I could be wrong.

philbot2020

May 13th, 2011
10:05 am

I’m a die-hard Thrashers fan, season ticket holder, and ASG hater, but is it just as simple as the Thrashers are worth $170M to a billionaire in Winnipeg and only $70M (or less) to Atlanta billionaires? I trust John Kincade’s information, but I believe the ASG were praying that Phoenix wouldn’t move so they could get a chance at True North’s money.

If ASG can get an extra $40M+ for the Thrashers (after paying the relo fee), they will take it. If True North asks for Levenson and Gearon’s moms in the deal, they’re gone too.

And the NHL has their TV deal done, and the deal doesn’t specify that a team must be in ATL so we are screwed. The other owners will gladly waive all the rules in the NHL constitution to pocket a $60M relo fee. Bettman won’t stand in the way for fear of losing his cushy job.

Blue

May 13th, 2011
10:13 am

The worst part of all this for me is that sometime in the near future I get tell my 7-year-old son, who lives and dies over Thrashers hockey, that because a group of grown men (I’m using that term loosely) cannot behave with the maturity I expect from him, the team he loves is gone.

Thanks ASG – nice work.

chc4

May 13th, 2011
10:13 am

This is a done deal.

oldref

May 13th, 2011
10:14 am

Atlanta hockey fans did not fail this franchise, the NHL, inept ownership and piss poor management failed this franchise in Atlanta.

Sad for the true hockey fans in this city, but the reality is the ASG will take True Norths money and run. But I would look out for the litigation that could follow with this group.

Erf

May 13th, 2011
10:15 am

Yankees, Carpetbaggers… jeez, what century is this?

By the way, I’m a native Georgian.

Blue

May 13th, 2011
10:17 am

“But I would look out for the litigation that could follow with this group.”

Here’s hoping they all go bankrupt

Thomas Magnum

May 13th, 2011
10:17 am

The Atlanta Spirit couldn’t have handled this whole thing any worse. It will be a sad day if the Thrashers leave Atlanta and I hate to say that it looks like now it actually could happen. I will NEVER give the Atlanta Spirit a single dollar if this team moves from Atlanta.

shootoutloss

May 13th, 2011
10:18 am

Sad sad sad situation for us Thrash fans.

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:19 am

Call it relocation, retreat, or whatever the hell you like, but if this team moves from Atlanta to Winnipeg it is contraction.

SportsFan

May 13th, 2011
10:22 am

Not true Downtown.

[...] Journal Constitution:  Unclear if Atlanta Spirit, True North in negotiations.  If the Levenson interview wasn’t clear that there is nobody with which the ASG is locally [...]

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:28 am

SportsFan. If my market shrinks my business shrinks.

Hockey Fan

May 13th, 2011
10:33 am

If the team does move I will never be a fan of the NHL again. Everyone needs to look on the bright side, at least the Gwinnett Gladiators will be around for another 3 years. Gary Bettman is a tool as well as every other person who runs the NHL. Here’s to hoping that the NHL has a lockout after next season.

SportsFan

May 13th, 2011
10:34 am

What is your market? If this team moves it is theoretically going to a stronger hockey market, no?

Bill

May 13th, 2011
10:34 am

It is NOT a different situation, if there was a buyer for PHX then the NHL would not have had to step in.

Just admit it, you are hanging us out to dry. If this team leaves under these conditions say goodbye to my money, loyalty and fandom NHL.

Long live minor league hockey.

Guffman

May 13th, 2011
10:38 am

From what I understand, the Thrashers are a big money loser and ASG doesn’t want to own them. I guess you can bag on ASG for not putting out a quality, which hurts attendance. But let me ask you guys this… if an Atlanta franchise would thrive if they were given the proper attention by owners, then why has no other local buyer stepped up to realize on that potential?

Big G

May 13th, 2011
10:39 am

Can someone FIRE BETTMAN AND DALY already!!!!! these guys are a joke to the NHL.
People of Glendale, are you guys nuts o subsidize a franchise money losing team. Im glad im not living in Glendale.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
10:40 am

Downtown, you are assuming that the entire ATL population and TV market share is at play. It’s not. Same with most other southern markets. The hockey market in WPG is much larger than the hockey market in ATL. Yes, the potential is there for future growth in ATL, just like in Phoenix and most other southern markets, but the pure fact is that nobody in ATL, not even the civic or state gvts seem willing to subsidize this team to stay. If the Spirit can pocket an extra $40M by selling to a group that will move the team, and the NHL blocks that, they could force the NHL to subsidize them. I guess alternately they could put the team in bankruptcy. Bottom line, Spirit sees a $110M value in their franchise and the free market system allows them to pursue that (franchise is not bound to non-relocation agreement like Phx was, don’t forget). It will be interesting to see what the NHL does now. Did they get assurances of $25M from Glendale so that they can now subsidize ATL? Will that appease the BOG? We’ll see…

WisconsinNHL fan.

May 13th, 2011
10:43 am

I feel for you Thrashers fans. Maybe something will happen within the next short period of time, but to me it certainly looks like Bettman and the League are going to step aside when all is said and done and let you move. It bothers me that they are fighting tooth and nail over the Yotes in Phoenix, but seem rather unconcerned in Atlanta. I believe that the league is looking for a way to move a few teams further west and that they’d love to get Detroit, (one of their current crown jewels) into the eastern conference, where they’ll be on primetime television more often. I like seeing a healthy league, and I do believe that teams in Winnipeg or Quebec would be good for the league, (small cities, but loaded with fans). I just don’t think that Atlanta should be moved more if Phoenix is so worth keeping in Arizona.

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:44 am

The atlanta market is an untapped 5.5M the Winnipeg market is a saturated .6

KLS1

May 13th, 2011
10:45 am

Its the owners…there is nothing we or the NHL can do with these guys pulling the levers.

They have so disenfranchised the fan base here that the team is worth more somewhere else. They will chase the $ from canada and we will pay the price.

Maybe they can open Philips next year to arena football again since the NBA will be on strike and the Thrashers will be moved.

You ASG jokes are going broke, I’m gonna laugh and enjoy it as you continue to squirm trying to get out of the mess you brought on yourselves. Cheers!

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
10:47 am

But the untapped 5.5 M has spoken… twice. (yes, there are a lot of excuses like poor ownership etc) The Wpg .6M market is saturated and will not grow in any significant way, but the value of a franchise in Wpg is almost double than one in ATL, and the profitability is much stronger. Ironically, it’s a stronger league with Wpg than ATL… especially with other southern teams failing.

Guffman

May 13th, 2011
10:48 am

If Glendale didn’t step in to subsidize the losses, the team would have already been relocated. Glendale almost feels obligated to do that since they spent all that money on an arena, instead of having it sit like a white elephant.

In Atlanta, the government is not interested in subsidizing the team. ASG wants to sell, no one locally wants to buy… so, what do you want the NHL to do?

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:51 am

rdrunner makes my point for me. “potential is there for future growth in ATL” if you leave that potential you are shrinking potential fan base. You are sacrificing future growth. The Winnipeg ThrahJetFalconMoose are unlikely to grow a fanbase beyond that small Winnipeg population. As for the comment about civic subsidies. This season ticket holder is against 1 dime of taxpayer $ being spent on a private business. The $25M Glendale is sending the NHL is stolen money.

PMC

May 13th, 2011
10:52 am

Well, at the end of the day maybe they will just find a way to bring a few good games here with some actually quality NHL franchises.

I’ll pay to go see great hockey. This team never provided that.

BS

May 13th, 2011
10:52 am

I am going to call BS on the reported $20 million a year losses that the ASG are claiming for the Thrashers. Let’s just think out loud on this. Total expenses is probably no higher than $70 mil. Since the ASG owns Philips Arena they can set the rent at whatever they want. If they sell 12,000 tickets a game at $50 that is 24,600,00 in gate revenue. I think they get $10 mil for tv, radio, etc. Add in concessions and all the peripheral stuff and they are close to the payroll amounts. Then they get their money from the NHL. There is again no possible way that the ASG loses $20 mil a year on the Thrashers. I am sure the Hawks are in the plus and the arena is way in the positive. Any accountant can make a loss appear out of thin air. They are up to no good.

Batcork

May 13th, 2011
10:52 am

Bettman fought tooth and nail for non-league-owned franchises in Pittsburgh and Nashville, making it clear the league wouldn’t allow a move until it was proven without a doubt over time (years) that no local buyer was forthcoming. Saying that the search for a Thrashers local buyer has been underway for years is BS. There was no clear title to the franchise until the ASG suit was settled late last year. Efforts before that time may have been going on, but don’t count for anything. Bettman is in “let’s pretend” mode in his public statements, pretending he has lived up to his “covenant to fans”, when he has not. Yet. If in another 12 months he’s kept the kabosh on a move and there’s still no viable local buyer, then maybe.

Granted, one difference here compared to the Pit and Nash cases: Their move destination was to Ontario where there was no ready NHL-grade arena, and a slew of territorial issues: Sabres, Leafs. Winnipeg has the arena and no territorial issues.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
10:53 am

If you are ATL Spirit and you believe in free enterprise and the notion that the highest bidder gets the prize, you sell to TNSE. If you believe in socialism, you turn to the NHL and see what they offer in terms of assistance. NHL needs $40M and to cover losses. Not going to happen, even though the NHL is more socialist than free market.

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:54 am

again rdrunner makes my point. sacrificing longterm growth for shorterm security is contraction

PMC

May 13th, 2011
10:55 am

I’d just love to see the arena rust like the freaking Omni at this point. .

Guffman

May 13th, 2011
10:55 am

I’m not sure why you guys are even arguing about the “potential market” of Atlanta versus Winnipeg. True North apparently are happy with the Winnipeg market and that’s why they are looking to buy a team. ASG is not happy with the current Atlanta market, and no local interests are willing to spend the $$$ to try and grow this “potential market”. That’s the bottom line… if you have no owners willing to step up to buy the team and keep it in Atlanta, then the team has to move.

This isn’t an Atlanta versus Winnipeg thing. It’s about no one stepping up in Atlanta to keep the team there. Winnipeg is not even on the radar is someone in Atlanta was willing to buy the team.

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
10:56 am

The NHL is not the government.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
10:58 am

Downtown, I understand your point loud and clear. I’ve debated it with the Phoenix people for 2 years now. At the crux of it all is “when will that potential be realized and what’s it worth to the NHL?” The NHL has spoken about the Phx market and to put a price on it, I would say it’s worth about $15M per year (the $40M in losses and litigation costs MINUS the guaranteed $25M from the civic gvt). The NHL thinks it can recoup $15M from that market in the long run so they keep the team there. In ATL, it’s completely different. The NHL has no gvt to partner with to subsidize the team. The numbers are much higher than $15M. It’s $40M, plus yearly losses. Is that worth the future potential of the ATL market? That’s the decision the NHL has to make. Or is it worthwhile to subsidize one market (Phx) that is in bankruptcy litigation, and lose the ATL market?

Guffman

May 13th, 2011
10:59 am

“sacrificing longterm growth for shorterm security is contraction”

Well… kinda, but who in Atlanta wants to sustain the short-term losses in order to realize on that long-term growth? No one, apparently. And that’s the problem.

Tom Lysiak

May 13th, 2011
11:01 am

These inept idiots can’t run a franchise successfully, yet they have figured out a way to make money off this. By sacrificing the team in Atlanta. The sacrifice is the from the fans, not the greedy owners. They could care less about the city losing the team. And, they are still hoping for an even bigger payday from their lawsuit. I hope everyone recognizes the ASG for what they are.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
11:02 am

If everyone acts in their own selfish business interests they have the following decisions to make:
TNSE: Can we make the NHL work in a small Wpg market? That has been answered by their repeated attempts to secure a franchise.
ATL Spirit: How can we stop losing money with the Thrashers? Apparently, running a better business is not an option so selling is the only option left. Where can we get the most money? That’s it; plain and simple. There’s no interest serve to the Spirit in selling to a local group for less than they can sell to an outside interest.
NHL: What is the future worth of a properly run franchise in the largely untapped ATL market? If that number is more than the future value of $40M today, plus about $20M / year in losses until the business turns profitable, then you subsidize the sale to a local buyer. If not, you lick your wounds and lose the ATL market.

2mins

May 13th, 2011
11:06 am

Nobody knows if TNSE is talking to ASG, because it is being done under the covers, but trust me…. they are talking.

When Winnipeg lost the Jets the fact is nobody wanted to own a team at that time. Bettman is correct in saying this because its true. Sure everyone in Winnpeg hates Bettman, but if there are no buyers, then there are no buyers.

And now in Atlanta its the same. Where are the buyers? People are saying that the NHL should give Atlanta more time to find buyers to keep it local. Problem is, that’s not up to the NHL. The ASG guys no longer want to pay the bills, and I promise you that the NHL will not pay the bills either, so what does that leave? Find a buy now, or the team leaves.

MXK

May 13th, 2011
11:11 am

So, it looks like our only hope is for someone to come riding in from the darkness with a bunch money to buy the team and keep them here. In the next day or two. Not likely at this point.

Scott Burnside summed it up yesterday by saying that moving the team satisfies everyone – everyone except the small group of us here that care, and appreciate having an NHL team in OUR city.

During the Sharks game last night, Bettman said in a radio interview that he’ll talk when he has something to say. Not exactly sticking up for the ‘fans in the current NHL city’. Not the ‘covenant’ that we were hoping for. He then expressed his concern for the poor people of Winnipeg who have been ‘forced to go through all of this’. Sounds like he’s already getting them on his side so that he can arrive as the hero who brings the NHL back to them.

Man, does this suck.

Crass Bonanza

May 13th, 2011
11:11 am

@rdrunner,

“If you are ATL Spirit and you believe in free enterprise and the notion that the highest bidder gets the prize, you sell to TNSE. If you believe in socialism, you turn to the NHL and see what they offer in terms of assistance.”

Well, not exactly. Sports leagues don’t operate like pure free markets, they’re more like cartels with barriers to entry. True free markets allow anyone with capital to enter and compete in existing markets. If sports leagues were actually free market, every city would have a team (and some more than one) and competitive pressures would be a lot more intense. As it is the supply of pro hockey teams is artificially restricted by the league.

It’s probably more accurate to say the NHL is “crony capitalist,” not “socialist,” since the state doesn’t own the means of production – but the relationships between teams and city governments can get pretty cozy.

BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS

May 13th, 2011
11:11 am

people – for the last time: THE ASG DOESN’T OWN PHILIPS ARENA, JUST THE OPERATING RIGHTS. a monthly rent is paid to the board that helped finanace the building.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
11:12 am

Further to 2mins comments, I really hate when people say that the NHL didn’t do much to save the Jets. They waited about 5 years for Wpg to build a suitable arena and at that time they had a motivated owner in Shenkarow. When Shenkarow was frustrated with the city and province for not building an arena (he didn’t have the wherewithal to build it himself), he announced that the team is for sale. The NHL waited 2 years for local ownership to surface and after a few failed attempts (Ironic that one of them is called Spirit of Manitoba, which by the way had Chipman senior on the board), nobody in Wpg wanted to own the team there. The NHL shopped them around and found a group of buyers willing to move the franchise to Minneapolis. They did NOT immediately agree to the sale to Burke (and the other guy, can’t remember his name), but instead gave Wpg a few months to get a local ownership group together, even though the NHL does not allow for difused ownership groups.
So, the NHL was patient with Wpg… people don’t remember that… we didn’t tweet that or even have the internet to chat about it. People forget.
I’m not a Bettman supporter, but I do understand his motivation for the actions he takes. I might do the same thing if I were in his shoes…

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
11:15 am

@ Crass, you are absolutely correct! Thanks for refining my commentary.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
11:16 am

@ Bob, thanks for the clarifying that. So, do they have exclusive rights to the arena in terms of bookings? i.e. If they book a concert, who gets the profits?

Zombie Steve

May 13th, 2011
11:21 am

I’m wondering what this is going to do to the budding local hockey community…. my friends and I play on the ice where the Thrashers practice

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
11:25 am

Question to ATL residents: Has ATL ever had a semi-pro team in the IHL or AHL? How did it do at the box office? What was the attendance? …curious.

MXK

May 13th, 2011
11:26 am

Right, Zombie. And what will we call my son’s team next season, because we damn well better not be the Junior Thrashers.

Hockey, Eh?

May 13th, 2011
11:26 am

It’s hard to see how the Thrashers can start playing in Winnipeg in 2011-12 if a deal isn’t completed ASAP. The 2011-12 schedule will likely have to be finalized by mid-July, and coordinating arena dates (and making sure the travel schedule is doable) isn’t a task that can be done overnight. It’s complicated by the fact that a move from ATL to WPG would probably require realignment in the Southeast (and at least one other) division.

If the Thrashers AREN’T playing in WPG by 2011-12, it’s even harder to see why anyone would turn out to see them play in Atlanta.

Tom Lysiak

May 13th, 2011
11:31 am

If you don’t believe this is already a done deal between the league, ASG, and TNSE you are crazy. They are trying to wait an appropriate period of time before the announcement. Thus, making it appear the negotiations didn’t start until Glendale voted to approve the money. The team, the league and TNSE will just fly away into the night, but good old ASG will remain in ATL (for some period of time). At least they’re stuck with the Hawks who suck and always will. What they can’t scheme or sell their way out of is this: they will always be remembered for their ineptitude, their lawsuits, the David McDavid thing and the overall way they handled themselves. Money isn’t everything.

Batcork

May 13th, 2011
11:35 am

Everyone needs to realize its not about ASG anymore. They will take the money and run and appear to be about to do so.

Unless (contrary to all public statements by ASG) there’s a buyer in the wings that can trump TNSE’s offer, our only hope is for the league to say “not so fast”. They have the power to do that. Trouble is, there’s mounting evidence of the league’s complicity in, and benefit from, the TNSE deal. Really raw deal for ATL fans in terms of lack of protection the league has given us compared to other cities threatened with a move.

AtlFlamesFan

May 13th, 2011
11:36 am

ASG is our version of the Corporate Raiders. They bought the Hawks, Thrashers and Philips (operating rights) for $260M. Selling off the Thrasher asset for $110M, leaves them with the Hawks and Philips. Forbes lists the Hawks by themselves at $295. They can keep their remaining assets, or sell them for a huge profit after owning them for only 7 years. Gordon Gekko would be proud.
Meanwhile, Bettmen should also be proud of himself. By continuing to play in the sand, he has done ASG its biggest favor by keeping True North in the buyer’s market. ASG might have been in a weaker sellers position to sell all 3 assets if it wasn’t for Bettmen’s folly in Phoenix. But instead, the NHL gets a $60M relocation fee. What a great Win-Win situation for the NHL and ASG. (And FU to Atlanta hockey fans).

thrasherdawg

May 13th, 2011
11:36 am

Just A Question:

Why can’t we get 7000 season ticket holders to invest $15,000.00 each and just buy the team?

The ROI is there because the investers (season ticket holder) is reinvesting in their own money. Every game is a sellout. If you do the math it is a homerun.

Anyone have any idea on how to make this happen?

chaz

May 13th, 2011
11:37 am

@rdrunner, Its true. Bettman gave Winnipeg time, althouh he wont ever walk down a Winnipeg street!

This forum is a pleasure to read compared to the Phoenix saga. There was some serious mudslinging going on!

2mins

May 13th, 2011
11:48 am

thrasherdawg…. Valid idea, but the NHL does not allow community ownership.

AtlFlamesFan

May 13th, 2011
11:50 am

….and then you would need operating cash to meet payroll, bills, etc.

WisconsinNHL fan.

May 13th, 2011
11:51 am

MXK, ” Not exactly sticking up for the ‘fans in the current NHL city’. Not the ‘covenant’ that we were hoping for. “, —— This is why Bettman is a slime. He’ll go to his grave for Phoenix, but it looks like he is just walking away from Atlanta. While Atlanta is no ways right now a viable market, they IMO, might actually better then Phoenix. They certainly aren’t any worse.

2mins

May 13th, 2011
11:58 am

I think Atlanta is potentially a way better market than Phoenix, but that doesn’t matter. In the case of PHX, it’s Bettman’s ( NHL ) money on the table. In the case of Atlanta, Bettman has no vested interest.

If I had the money and had to pick between PHX or ATL, I would take Atlanta in a heartbeat. Phoenix has had decent teams over the years and in the last two years, the best teams the franchise has ever had, but they have proven its not a viable market. Atlanta has never has success, so its an unknown what would happen if they did. Atlanta has always had better attendance than Phoenix as well.

Atlanta Spirit Sucks

May 13th, 2011
11:59 am

[...] Journal, WXIA has cited an undisclosed source that the team could be sold as early as this weekend. Chris Vivlamore of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that a deal with True North Sports and Entertainment of Winnipeg is "unlikely" to get done this [...]

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
12:05 pm

This is an excellent comment thread.

AHMartins

May 13th, 2011
12:05 pm

Hi Guys,

With all this talk about money and losing money, what it al comes down to is proper backing and marketing to make any business successful. To get more non-hcokey people interested (our family were one) onw has to invest into making the business attractive. Previusly, I said this

Our family tries to see 2-3 games a year and once we were fortunate to have our picture taken with the aluminim-foil Stanly Cup !! Highlight of our year and I don’t understand why the team/arena does not market this idea to families & kids or use it different ways in advertising along with Thrash. Interview this guy, will you ? People will understand then the Thrashers and fans are for real. (We made four smaller cups at home which sit next to the tv). The Chick-fil-a promotion does seem to be a real pity since Thrash is a bird!!! Not too smart to eat the mascot. What gives with that thinking ?

I began my own business (scrap booking) a few years ago with 2 customers and it is now thriving (14customers). What the team hasn’t fully done in my opinion yet is to invest in both the on-ice business and off-ice business. Both are as important for success overall.

Thx,

Alyson

lordstan57

May 13th, 2011
12:09 pm

This League is deep-doo. MANY franchises are in trouble…. not just the “Non-traditional” markets.
There’s a reason why the OWNERS, not Bettman needed to “grow the Mkt”.

Sick to death of the “it’s our game” BS!
The F’d up Faux regional rivalries w/ massive uninformed opinions.
Or the “You don’t deserve” a team. WE “deserve” a team more than you!
AND….. the petulant “our city is better than yours!”.

After this experience…. I find myself without my team?
I’m DONE. Screw the NHL. It’s fans.
DONE.

Overnight… All existence of the NHL will disappear from my life.
All the stuff will come off my vehicles. From my home. The NHL will cease to exist.

We’ve a Marxist in the White House for GOD”S sake. Our Federal Government is
ROTTEN with these destructive, misguided, self-serving FOOLS!!
So yea, we’ve got much bigger problems than the success of the NHL in Atlanta.

One last time???

“Live Hockey,Love Thrashers!”.
#37

Michael F

May 13th, 2011
12:14 pm

Hockey can work in Atlanta, it is just bad business by the ASG.

1. There is no reason to block off the 400 level seats. Sell those tickets day of game, starting 1.5 hours before the game starts. If you sell out those seats and people are there, they will ask for next cheapest,they won’t go home. The money made in concessions, souveniers, parking, etc. is more than leaving those seats empty.
2. Understand and acknowledge that hockey will play a back seat to other sports in this town. Don’t take that as a negative, just market your sport accordingly. More discounts early in the season when people are still watching college football, pro football and waiting for you to prove they won’t fade in the second half and then reap the rewards when the team is the main sport in town (winter time) and they are still doing well. ASG owns the Hawks too, so there should be more cross marketing (buy a hawks ticket, get 50% off a thrashers ticket, etc).
3. Pre season games should be free. Get people in the arena. Get the money from parking, concessions and souveniers and foster interest in the club early on. No one wants to pay for pre-season tickets so you have to get people in there for free. Start giving out tickets 3 hours before game time and have a “fan festival” outside during those 3 hours. Perfect for kids and adults.
4. Be more open with season ticket holders. Season ticket holders have to understand that when a team is struggling they will see a lot of discounts out there in hopes of getting others in the building. This causes STH to think the tickets aren’t worth it. Convince them they are worth it with other perks (meet and greet opportunities, autographed items…the list can go on) and when the team gets good and tickets are hard to come by, increase the incentives to the STH because they were with you when times were tough.
5. Don Waddell needs to go. I know the man is respected in hockey circles (Team USA, etc.) but perception fuels consumer sentiment. As long as he is around, people will associate the franchise with failure. Even though Dudley has set this team up nicely going forward, people will still hold a grudge against the organization as long as DW is around.

The bottom line is the players deserve to play in front of a packed house and we can get there if everyone works together. I firmly believe we can be like Chicago and Pittsburgh are now, but it is going to take effort from everyone.

ASG…do a better job of marketing the team, securing players and make the necessary changes in the front office. If you all love Atlanta so much and believe in your hometown, get the Team in the hands of someone who will keep the team here even if you don’t make millions on the sale. Stop being greedy and do what is right. Remember, you fail with the Thrashers you other businesses will most likey suffer due to fan backlash.

Fans…go to the games. Give the players a packed house to play in front of. Let them know we are there.

Players…110% every night. Yes, there will be some bad games once and awhile, but show the great effort you showed many times last season EVERY NIGHT!

City of Atlanta…help get local business leaders involved. If hockey can work in Nashville, it can certainly work here.

mbjets

May 13th, 2011
12:16 pm

This seems to be so much nicer than the soap opera going on in Glendale. I was a Winnipeg Jets fan.(still am I guess; can’t let go). When I started to see all of the news coming out of Phoenix, I just said to myself, “Here we go again”. Now with Atlanta in the mix, it is time for Gary Bettman to take a step back and look at what he has “tried” to create. Doesn’t make much sense to me. I wish no ill will towards Coyotes or Thrashers fans. I know how you feel. ‘96 was a drag. I still don’t feel that Bettman and his gang did everything they could to keep the team in Winnipeg, but looking in from the outside, we didn’t always hear what people were actually saying. All we heard was, no building, no ownership, bye-bye. Anyway, good luck Phoenix/Glendale and Atlanta. If Winnipeg gets a team back in the next year or two, I will be happy about that, but at the same time, I will feel bad for the actual hockey fans that lose their team.

DowntownATL

May 13th, 2011
12:20 pm

Alyson reminds me of something I meant to do at season’s end.

My distaste for all things ASG should in no way be construed upon their operating staff and employees. Thrash, the Blue Crew, Ben the web guy, and the ticket reps are class people and they all deserve better bosses.

David

May 13th, 2011
12:24 pm

BS – great point, numbers with related parties are all mush. I lived in Cleveland when the browns moved, a much greater travesty based upon market support, but leagues need to stop “rewarding” ownership mistakes by letting them ruin a market and fan base (no matter how big, small, diehard) to get out with some cash. I was at the two home playoffs games (stinkers) and know what that place was like (didn’t know it could GET LOUD until then). If management was competent and brought a contender to play, they’d do just fine. Instead they nickle, dime, mismanage, lie to their season ticket holders about their prices being the lowest in the NHL (when at the time where in the top third) and expect loyalty? ASG are criminals.

David

May 13th, 2011
12:29 pm

Michael F. Are you looking for a job? I’ll recommend you to run the Thrash. Those clowns doing the job could have solved a few of the problems they have by thinking like you.

Brendan

May 13th, 2011
12:35 pm

We’ve hated the AS, LLC for years. Now, they have their chance to “get even” with us. I see that. But what the AS,LLC don’t see is … that they, themselves, ruined hockey in Atlanta. Had they just done the right things, the fans would not have soured on them.

Darkhorse

May 13th, 2011
12:50 pm

My family is done w/anything related to the ASG if they sell the Thrashers to TNS. No more money to the Hawks or Arena as long as they’re the owners. I’m done with the NHL too. No more Center Ice, team gear store purchases, and so on. I’m so furious over the league letting these idiots just do whatever under the table and not care about screwing the fans by getting more involved in the media before.

I hope franchises like Nashville continue to prosper, but this situation is close to sucking the good will and enthusiasm right out of me and many others around the Atlanta region.

Your absolutely right Brendan, the ASG ownership 100% ruined this franchise. But yet they are poised to make out pretty good here and get off the hook(if they don’t truely try and keep the team here, and I doubt they really tried). I’m praying the karma train will hit them head on sometime soon.

Eric

May 13th, 2011
12:55 pm

Expect an annoucement after the Stanley Cup Finals. Obviously, the NHL has had discussions with the Winnipeg group about ATL if the Phoenix deal falls through. Hockey can work in WPG just like its working in EDM and CAL though with limited success. Hockey would work in ATL with the right owners. Unfortuneately, AS has admitted they are a basketball group and own the operating rights to the arena. Would you want to buy the team knowing you have to work with those litigious owners over dates to use the arena? Remember the Thrashers have never even won a playoff game. Don’t balme the fans for a lousy product.

Michael F

May 13th, 2011
1:02 pm

@David…Thanks for your comment. Honestly,I would love a chance to implement some of my ideas as I feel very deeply they would work. So if you know anyone I can talk to, just let me know. =)

In terms of the fan festival, you already have the sumo costumes and everything you take on the road for youth clinics, so there is no expense there. The only expense is employees to run the festival. You shouldn’t need many and it is only 3 hours. Plus, if you get more kids loving the sport, the more they will ask their parents to take them to games which will increase your ticket sales.

I firmly believe my ideas will help people feel they are getting their monies worth, that the team is headed in the right direction, and that they are working to connect with the community. If you do all of those, I think people will support the team as it grows, not just when things are great.

I was in the building during the playoffs a few years ago. I know how crazy this fan base can be…I just need to get the ear of the right people.

Heck, if I fail next season (which I WON’T), they can move the Thrash for 2012, but at least give us a chance to save them! I firmly believe with the core we have of Buff, Kane, Stuart, Toby, Pavs, Little, Bogo, Wheeler, and Ladd (just to name a few and if Wheeler and Ladd resign) and a packed house, the Thrashers can do some damage next year!

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foncused

May 13th, 2011
1:49 pm

First, I think all the curernt and past season ticket holders should file a class action law suit against ASG for mismanagement and lying to their fans and season ticket holders. Not sure there is any case law to support a being “lied to to increase sales” case, but at this point in time, we need to stick it to ASG any way we can.

Second, if you read the writing on the wall in hind site, I would venture to say that ASG has been in negotiations with True North for some time. Why this year did they finally decide to sign one of our best players to a long term contract (Buff)? Why this year did they extend Rick Dudley’s contract?

Their lack of planning for future in years past made those two signings odd in a time when the ownership was in question. Now that we hear the deal is almost a foregone conclusion, I am left to believe that there was never any real attempt to find local owners, aside from perhaps driving the price a bit and “scaring” True North into upping their offer.

I have resigned myself that our team is leaving. It is sad . . so many good memories of the team and players . . I am hopeful that there is light at the end of the tunnel and this is mere mis-information while other negotiations take place, but ASG’s (and Waddel’s) bold face lies in the recent past have left me skeptical at best.

If there are any attorneys who can look into any suit options against ASG, post it here . . . I think there would be a significant number of people who would be willing to sign-on to a class action.

Stu

May 13th, 2011
1:55 pm

If it’s about ownership as Bettman says, why did the NHL purchase the Coyotes? No one wanted to pay to keep the team in Glendale, and there’s still no one willing to use their own money on the team if it’s going to stay put. Atlanta’s doing better as a franchise, gets more support, has a much more favorable arena deal, is in a larger market, is in a larger TV market, and is overall in a better situation to be successful than the Coyotes. They have also had a poor on-ice product that is starting to improve, while Phoenix has a great team and still no support. If the NHL was willing to purchase the team and assume a lot of their losses for years in Phoenix because no one wanted to buy the team, that’s a worse ownership situation than exists in Atlanta.

EA

May 13th, 2011
1:58 pm

There are so many conflicting articles on this story. No one is saying definitely that the situation is leaning the way of the Thrashers moving. Kevin Allen, USA Today, picked up on Jeff S. idea of asking if the league is doing enough to save the Thrashers. Since the hockey world is looking to the Atlanta paper for comments and then re printing them, I think the facts should be the only thing reported.

2mins

May 13th, 2011
2:09 pm

Stu…. the only reason the NHL bought the Coyotes was to maintain control of thier franchises. If the NHL had not bought the Coyotes then they would be in Hamilton right now against the NHL wishes, and sports teams all over N.A. would be claiming Bankruptcy just so they could move when every they felt like it. Not a good way to build fan support.

J-man

May 13th, 2011
2:19 pm

rdrunner – “semi-pro” is not the correct term to use for the AHL and IHL. Those guys are paid professionals. Atlanta had a successful IHL team that won the championship around 1995 or 1996 (I don’t remember exactly) that as best I remember had good attendance at the old Omni arena. That team moved to Quebec City when it became known that Atlanta would eventually get an NHL expansion team but that the IHL owners of the Atlanta Knights would not be the NHL team owners.

I forgot who else asked, but it really does seem that both Gearon and Levenson believe that they can sell the Thrashers and watch them leave town and there will be zero repercussions.

Dear Gary

May 13th, 2011
2:23 pm

So…Mr. Bettman…who exactly wants to own the Coyotes in Phoenix?

You’re such a liar. Do you think people actually believe the crap that spews out of your mouth?

Curious George

May 13th, 2011
2:25 pm

Is it wrong for me to wish Obama bin Laden had been using Bruce Levenson as as human shield about 2 weeks ago?

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
2:29 pm

@ Stu – NHL purchased the Yotes because otherwise, not only would they have relocated to Hamilton, but it would have set a dangerous precedent for all pro sports. It was a case where the league needed to maintain rights over the location of their franchises… which frankly is not much different than a Subway or McDonald’s. If the franchisor doesn’t like the location, they don’t give you a franchise, period.

@ J-man, you’re right but by “semi-pro” I meant not NHL… So, my next question is this… Notwithstanding the hardship that is obviously being shared on this site by loyal Thrashers fans who would be (or are already) pissed at this situation, and notwithstanding that there would be backlash initially, can someone give me a legitimate reason why an AHL franchise wouldn’t succeed in Atlanta? Much lower cost to run… don’t have to fill the arena each night… This is a pure business question; not an emotional one… (I asked the same question in Phoenix and they told me that the Roadrunners failed miserably)

Joe Friday

May 13th, 2011
2:36 pm

“can someone give me a legitimate reason why an AHL franchise wouldn’t succeed in Atlanta? Much lower cost to run… don’t have to fill the arena each night… This is a pure business question; not an emotional one… ”

This. It’s why I suspected for a while is the plan. I think they are going to bring in an AHL team, you’ll have the same 5 to 10,000 fans show up, and it’ll make money as the payroll is so much less on an AHL club. Our old club, the Atlanta Knights, were MUCH more enjoyable to watch than the Thrashers . . . and a new AHL club would do well here. Here’s a thought, we all know that the relationship with the Chicago Wolves stunk and needs to be replaced, and I’m sure real management in WPG will fix that issue . . . what if the plan is that we get a new AHL team here and it becomes the Thrashers’ AHL affiliate?

AuburnZ

May 13th, 2011
2:44 pm

To expand on our previous IHL team…copied from wikipedia…

The Atlanta Knights were an IHL expansion team in 1992 as the top farm team of the NHL’s Tampa Bay Lightning. They won the Turner Cup in the 1993–94 season. The Knights featured the first professional African-American head coach in John Paris Jr.. The Knights were also one of the first professional teams to play a female goalie, Manon Rheaume, in a regular-season game. For the 1996–97 season, the Knights relocated due to the Omni’s impending demolition to make way for Philips Arena, home to Atlanta’s new NHL team, the Atlanta Thrashers.

During their years in Atlanta, Rick Morgan was their full-time national anthem singer and encouraged the crowd to shout “KNIGHTS!” during the line, “Gave proof through the “KNIGHTS” that our flag was still there.” It is still customary to hear an emphasized, shouted “KNIGHTS!” during the national anthem at Thrashers games at Philips Arena by spectators in honor of the team.

Knights Record in Atlanta
Year GP W L RT PTS Finish Playoffs
1992-93 82 52 23 7 111 1st, Atlantic Lost Semi-Finals
1993-94 81 45 22 14 104 1st, Midwest Won Turner Cup
1994-95 81 39 37 5 83 3rd, Central Lost in Round One
1995-96 82 32 41 9 73 4th, Central Lost in Round One

Southernhockeyfan

May 13th, 2011
3:03 pm

Since the Thrashers are history, maybe we should talk about whether the AHL would even come to town at this point. That seems the best we can hope for. The NHL will never be back. Thanks ownership I hope you all go bankrupt for what you guys have done. When it happens, I hear they are hiring at McDonalds. Just remember to look the customer in the eye when you say “do you want fries with that order.”

thrasherdawg

May 13th, 2011
3:04 pm

A Solution:

Give Winnipeg an expansion team. Take the $60 million fee, give it to the new owner in Atlanta to help subsidize the purchase. Then I bet you would find a billionaire who would do that deal. I’m sure they would line up.

Under this plan everybody is happy. NHL has another team, Winnipeg gets the team they want, and the Thrashers stay in Atlanta. It’s a WIN,WIN,WIN.

thrasherdawg

May 13th, 2011
3:06 pm

Just Asking:

Why doesn’t the guy (sorry I don’t know his name)who won the 200, 300 million dollar lawsuit (whatever it was) buy the team?

Southernhockeyfan

May 13th, 2011
3:09 pm

RDrunner I thought you knew hockey. Semi-Pro? Guys in the AHL are paid well. It’s a full-time gig. Come on man!!!! Semi-Pro is a guy who works 9-5 somewhere and then plays in a league on weekends.

Equi-Drew

May 13th, 2011
3:12 pm

Take the team, leave the naming rights and logos…We can get us a Professional Soccer team, wear the same gear, and have a tradition in Atlanta that while painful is unique to us. Thats how you build a good sporting community. I am thinking of some shirts imagine these:

1)the NHL Sucks…
2)Hockey is for carpetbaggers…
3)Hockey sucks…with a thrashers logo right below it.
4)We as atlantians replace the word F*** with Puck…
5)IF it can’t be played outside in 100 degree weather its not a sport.
6)Summer Olympics = Bad Hockey
7)Blueland…just how it sounds….

Bet you guys would buy my shirts wouldn’t you? I release my ideas to you my fellow thrashers fans to do with these ideas as you wish.

jimcee

May 13th, 2011
3:17 pm

Thrasherdawg…your scenario is very intriuging.

So Winnipeg gets an expansion team and pays the NHL the expansion fee…NHL uses some of that money to help secure the Atlanta situation (as well as other weaker teams like Columbus and the New York Islanders) and keeps team in 5.5 million person market.Makes sense to me.

NHL is a 31 team league until Quebec joins when their new arena is built to make it 32 teams…I like it!

PureEvil

May 13th, 2011
3:24 pm

If the Thrashers would’ve given us something worth supporting maybe hockey in the ATL would be safe! I’m not a hockey fan at all but I agree with Matt S on 680 the fan….Atlanta losing the Thrashers is yet another bullet in the guns of people who say Atlanta sports fans are the worst in the country. That’s what upsets me the most.

PureEvil

May 13th, 2011
3:29 pm

Give Winnipeg an expansion team.

The NHL needs contraction not expansion!!

Tom Lysiak

May 13th, 2011
3:45 pm

That guy who won the lawsuit was David McDavid from Dallas I believe. Many of us have wondered why he doesn’t just buy everything now using Turner’s money, not his own.

rdrunner

May 13th, 2011
3:49 pm

The NHL has no upside to putting a team in Winnipeg for the pure reason of having a team there. As someone else stated before, it’s a saturated market. The ONLY reason that the NHL puts a team in Winnipeg is if it has expired ALL, and EVERY opportunity to make it work in larger future potential markets like ATL or PHX. They will come to Winnipeg kicking and screaming if and only if they feel they have no choice. Contraction in terms of letting a team die is not an option. Having a small market team in Winnipeg, which allows the move of an eastern division team to the west is better than folding a team altogether.

…and ok, for those knocking my “semi-pro” comment. Yes, I screwed up. sorry… I meant to distinguish between NHL teams… sheesh… ya make one mistake and everyone shoots you… lol

PureEvil

May 13th, 2011
3:51 pm

Contraction in terms of letting a team die is not an option

I agree no major sport is ever going to let a team die BUT, do you not agree that the game would benifit from contraction?

Dale Hawerchuk

May 13th, 2011
3:52 pm

I can not sit by and let people bash Winnipeg’ss market.They are 750,000 strong hockey loving people.With the surronding area they are almost 1.2 million people when you include Eastern Saskatchewan and Northern Minnesota and Northdakota and NW Ontario. The amount of hockey fans in that area is much more total fans than Phoenix and Atlanta have together. When I played in Winnipeg it was my best stint in the NHL. People who say they will not play in Winnipeg and people who asume players will not play in Winnipeg are deeply misinformed. Actually Winnipeg has a lot to offer. YES,it is colder there than any city in the US but you just put on a little heavier coat and go to it.Its sad a team leaves any city but please do not bash something you know nothing about.

jimcee

May 13th, 2011
3:53 pm

It will be interesting to see how the NHL can possibly put a positive spin on losing a market the size of Atlanta IF the Thrashers leave…I still think something can be worked out but it will take a concerted effort by fans buying 2011-2012 season tickets(they would be refunded if team moves),corporations(Coca Cola,Delta,UPS,Home Depot etc.) and the mayor of Atlanta.

Time for people to roll up their sleeves and do something positive.

Slick

May 13th, 2011
3:53 pm

They were called the Knights, rdrunner. Won the Turner Cup in ’90’s @ the Omni. I was there that night, what a blast. That’s why KNIGHTS is (direspectfully I might add) yelled during every national anthem performance before each Thrasher Game. The Knight’s success was the precursor to getting an NHL team here in Atlanta…they primed the pump.

thrasherdawg

May 13th, 2011
3:56 pm

Well let’s call David McDavid from Dallas, we know he has the money.

PureEvil

May 13th, 2011
4:02 pm

I still think something can be worked out but it will take a concerted effort by fans buying 2011-2012 season tickets(they would be refunded if team moves),

If I buy tickets and they stay and they suck as usual will I also get refunded? The problem here is not that Atlanta won’t support a NHL team it’s that the owners of the NHL team in Atlanta don’t give us a product worth supporting!

KLS1

May 13th, 2011
4:03 pm

Minor league hockey ain’t the NHL. Lets save this team first, then we can look to get our hockey fix somewhere else if they move.

thrasherdawg

May 13th, 2011
4:22 pm

Another thought, why doesn’t Chic-fil-A buy the team?

Joe McGrath

May 13th, 2011
4:23 pm

If you want to do something call NHL and voice your displeasure. 1-212-789-2000 and leave message on Fan Line.

cpsman_altanta

May 13th, 2011
4:31 pm

Crass Bonanza

May 13th, 2011
4:40 pm

@Dale Hawerchuk,

“Its sad a team leaves any city but please do not bash something you know nothing about.”

The bashing and ignorance go both ways, though. Various trolls spout off on how “Atlanta failed twice as a hockey market” (untrue, it is ownership that has twice failed this market, not Atlanta hockey fans), hockey can’t work here (but it can in Carolina, Tampa Bay and Nashville, really?), and southern U.S. markets don’t “deserve” hockey teams but chauvinistic Canadians “do” (should we take the Blue Jays and Raptors away from Toronto on principle?). Give me ONE valid reason why Atlanta, among all large North American markets, is uniquely unqualified or unable to support NHL hockey.

Like I said, the ignorance and bashing go both ways.

Shhh

May 13th, 2011
4:42 pm

It does not look good… Darren Eliot put his house for sale. I guess he would have nothing report in 2011/12.

Section-310

May 13th, 2011
4:59 pm

Everyone calm down. As a season ticket holder I don’t want the Thrashers to leave town. The only way to do that is to SUPPORT THE TEAM. In the midst of all the “rumors” of the Thrashers moving to some dink town in Canada, I have calmly renewed my tickets. Will try to go to the festivities on 05/21. Will anxiously what for the upcoming season. AND WILL TRY TO SUPPORT THE TEAM IN ANYWAY I CAN!!!

IF ATLANTA WANTS HOCKEY THEN SUPPORT THE TEAM. FORGET ABOUT THE OWNERS!!!

BUY SOMETHING THRASHER. A HAT, JERSEY, FLAG, BUMPER STICKER…. SOMETHING.

CALL THE SPORTS TALK RADIO STATIONS. CALL THE IDIOTS AT THE AJC….

SHOW YOUR NEIGHBORS YOU SUPPORT THE TEAM!!!!!!!

SHOW THE WORLD WE WANT NHL HOCKEY IN ATLANTA!!!

Then if they move, well we don’t deserve an NHL team.

Alan R.

May 13th, 2011
5:00 pm

Posted on Bill’s blog, but will post here as well:

Question for you all.

Has exclusive negotiating rights been agreed to with TNSE?

C-Viv is putting the cart way before the horse in claiming the Thrashers are “95% gone.” He’s reporting only what the ASG tell him to.

ASG have their media leverage in place. This, as much as I completely hate the group of morons, is an admirable strategy on their part. The onus is now on the local buyer to make a serious run for the properties.

Jay Clemons (@SI_JayClemons) has been tweeting recently that “this is a marathon, not a sprint.” I see what he means.

Lastly, if you need help figuring out whether the Thrashers have actually moved to Winnipeg yet, look no further than here:

http://www.didthethrashersmovetowinnipegyet.com/

litz

May 13th, 2011
5:20 pm

I will say, if there was EVER a time for a public unveiling of “The Balkan”, now is it.

All you need is a press conference and the guy holding up a checkbook and saying “we all know what the price is, who do I make the check out to?” … and ALL arguments concerning “nobody willing to buy and keep the team local” go out the window.

There is NO way the BoG would approve a relocation if that happened.

So, rather than ootz/whine/whatever about moving … since nobody really has a clue what’s actually going on … let’s return to greener pastures : who the heck IS “the balkan” ?

The clues are very minimal … graduated from a Big 10 college, wears slightly faded blue jeans, and at least one brown loafer – sockless, which reveals caucasion skin. Hints have seemed to indicate younger rather than older, so maybe .com money?

There was another hint dropped (dunno it’s usefulness or truthfulness) of native to north dakota.

The last – I dunno. The most money I can find tied to a native north dakotan is about 500 mil belonging to the guy that grows 85% of mcdonald’s potatoes. He didn’t go to a big-10 school though.

jebediah

May 13th, 2011
5:39 pm

..yeah, the Balkan, maybe instead of taking a picture of his shoe, maybe a headshot Kincaide… what a clown.

jim

May 13th, 2011
6:23 pm

SECTION 310 got it right…now is the time to buy tickets and preserve the Thrashers for at least 2011-2012 until a new owner can be found.It sounds like ASG may hang on for one more season but not more than that.

Also,why doesn’t the mayor arrange a meeting with Gary Bettman in Atlanta to address present concerns???!!!

wpgJetsfan

May 13th, 2011
6:29 pm

AT: Thrasher fans, I from Winnipeg feel a lot of sympathy for how you are being treated in this mess. It appears to be the exact same thing that happened to us in Winnipeg years ago.

Honestly most of us in Winnipeg wanted the Coyotes back because of the records and our traditions. But if we do get the Thrashers, TRUST ME when I say this, they will be taken care of. You have a very good young talented team. We will probably make a few changes to make it a playoff team.

But I hope you’ll join us with cheering them on when they beat the Welfare Glendale Coyotes.

Brian west palm beach

May 13th, 2011
6:44 pm

We should all sue the spirit bi#@!es for our loss. I might not move back to atlanta now. I just might have to become a panthers fan if this happens that was one of the only things going for atlanta. better yet we should protest the spirit at every hawks game so they will be afraid to go in public. They should all be shot for what they have done to atlanta hockey.

Sean

May 13th, 2011
7:15 pm

Why doesn’t Arthur Blank buy the team? He has been successful in turning the Falcons from one of the laughing stocks of the NFL to a team that is probably only a few pieces shy of a Super Bowl birth and victory. Surely he could do the same for the Thrashers?

Darkhorse

May 13th, 2011
7:36 pm

NFL rules prohibit any of their owners also owning another pro-sports franchise.

Plus, I don’t think Blank has any interest in hockey or bball.

Sean

May 13th, 2011
7:55 pm

Thanks Darkhorse, didn’t know that about the NFL rules.

Butros

May 13th, 2011
8:02 pm

For people comparing the 5.5M market in Atlanta to smaller Canadian markets, who cares? If there was a business case to make to keep hockey in Atlanta, somebody with deep pockets would have made it. If some Winnipeg billionaires want a team in Winnipeg, it’s because there is MONEY in it – despite the smaller population. It’s not about charity. They are doing this because it will make them money. If the size of the city was all that mattered, there would be a team in Mexico City – which would be only slightly more stupid than ice hockey in Georgia.

Jonathan Holleman

May 13th, 2011
8:10 pm

The NHL is not going to move in and invest in keeping the Thrashers in Atlanta. The move they made in Phoenix is going to cost them dearly, and they are running scared now.

Jon

May 13th, 2011
8:10 pm

Well, if the Thrashers do leave, that should increase the attendance at the Gladiators games. Then look for them to move up to the AHL since the Charlotte Checkers moved up this past year. Life goes on.

Wimps_ca

May 13th, 2011
8:14 pm

I was a season ticket holder when when we lost the Jets in the ‘peg, ripped my heart out. There is something Atlanta fans CAN do, put on a blitz to buy season tickets, we had a save the Jets campaign including this.

The Thrashers are improving, love Ladd and they’re not far off. If you have a fan club they should be mounting a serious campaign to sell tickets so that the current owners would not sell with 14K season tickets sold .

MrBill

May 13th, 2011
8:23 pm

This could down as a Trade the Mantoba Moose move to Atlanta and the Thrashers move to winnipeg hey we will have our Moose back. I bet anybody out there $500.00 that the thrashers will be back next season.

2mins

May 13th, 2011
8:24 pm

Wimps_ca…..It’s too late for that. The present owners are done. They want out and having a ticket blitz is not going to change thier collective minds.

You need someone with deep pockets that just wants to own the team for the sake of owning a team.

Jonathan Holleman

May 13th, 2011
8:27 pm

Blank could finance the Thrashers, with a security interest other than the team itself. That would not violate NFL policy. But his only benefit would be the interest return on his money. I can’t see him just being a bank.

Wimps_ca

May 13th, 2011
8:28 pm

2mins, if there were 14K season tickets sold, how could these guys justify the sale? Force their hand, don’t give up! Even if they don’t change their minds, it may sway somebody else, especially with a team on the rise and a good fan base to begin with.

MrBill

May 13th, 2011
8:32 pm

[...] Journal, WXIA has cited an undisclosed source that the team could be sold as early as this weekend. Chris Vivlamore of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that a deal with True North Sports and Entertainment of Winnipeg is "unlikely" to get done this [...]

litz

May 13th, 2011
9:03 pm

Jeez. Same stuff over and over again. This is like watching google live (put “Thrashers in, and watch the show … they scroll faster than can be read).

Was one that blew by claiming The Balkan is James Cox Kennedy (of the Cox family) … (shrug)

Alan R.

May 13th, 2011
9:14 pm

NFL rules do not prohibit an owner from owning another sports franchise.

NFL rules prohibit an owner from owning another sports franchise in a different market.

For example, Blank could buy the Thrashers, but could not buy the Stars.

farleybear

May 13th, 2011
9:23 pm

Winnipegger here….I just wanted to say that the reaction from the Thrashers fans and the comments regarding all this relocation talk, has been heads and shoulders above the maturity shown on the Phoenix boards during their saga. Call it Southern hospitality or gentlemanly, but whatever it is, I sure have a lot of respect for you loyal Thrasher fans out there wanting to keep your team but also not resorting to cheap shots and insults. That’s something none of us forget. Good on you!

Darkhorse

May 13th, 2011
9:29 pm

Didn’t realize that about the NFL rulesAlan R. That being said, I think Blank has said a few times he doesn’t have and interest in the Thrashers or Hawks. I believe his name came up quite a bit in ‘03 and ‘04 when Time Warner was selling to the ASG. Too bad him or Marcus couldn’t have stepped in then. We wouldn’t be sitting here today with such imminent doom hanging over the heads of Thrasher fans. Probably, at the very least, would have a few quality playoff runs under the franchise’s belt.

Sean

May 13th, 2011
9:50 pm

Farleybear: Most of us can’t blame Winnipeg for wanting a team after all your city lost its hockey team back in the 1990s. Just wish the solution was expansion rather than re-location.

Tom M

May 13th, 2011
9:55 pm

I live in Winnipeg and hope you get to keep your team in Atlanta. We lived through bad ownership and lost our team before, not much fun!
It is terrible how fans get blamed for bad owners, how can anyone expect sellouts when the owners refuse to put a competitive product on the ice for ten years.
If we ever get a team back I hope it is with TNSE, who appear to be a quality group.
Either way best of luck to hockey fans in Atlanta!

[...] soon. The prospects of a team landing in Winnipeg are more possible than they were in 1997. Chris Vivlamore; The Atlanta Journal-Constitution — It is unclear this morning if the Thrashers have been granted permission by the NHL to [...]

EA

May 13th, 2011
10:23 pm

C Viv that It is unclear if the Thrashers are discussing a move with Winnipeg, yet C Viv goes on a Toronto radio station saying he is 95 percent sure the Thrashers are leaving. I am stunned at this irresponsibility.

EA

May 13th, 2011
10:25 pm

C Viv’s article states that . . . text above ( sorry for the typo).

Matt from MN

May 13th, 2011
10:34 pm

Atlanta Scumbag Group can burn in Hell. Let the Thrashers leave, and I’m NEVER going to support any event at Philips again.

Alan R.

May 13th, 2011
10:38 pm

You’re correct, Darkhorse. Blank doesn’t want to buy anything else, at this point.

AtlFlamesFan

May 13th, 2011
11:03 pm

Who’s the bigger liar; ASG or Gary Bettmen. We all know ASG’s lies. Here is Bettmen’s entry from a February interview with Shultz:

But he (Bettmen) did reaffirm that the NHL is “committed” to Atlanta.

“We think it’s very important [for the league] and we believe that whatever issues the franchise has, they can be overcome, and ultimately the franchise can be successful,” he said. “We have a strong track record of addressing franchise problems and not abandoning cities. Look at Phoenix. [The Coyotes went into bankruptcy and were taken over by the league, which is looking for new owners.] I don’t think you need to go much farther down the road than that. But look at Buffalo, Ottawa, Pittsburgh. All three have had problems at some point, but they’ve all been successful.

“When the ownership situation is resolved, we believe the franchise will be able to move forward. We’re committed to the market. Our track record indicates we do everything we can do to avoid relocation.”

AtlFlamesFan

May 13th, 2011
11:05 pm

I cannot believe that no one has posted this gem.

Phoenix Coyotes Vote Passes, But Goldwater Institute Ponders Lawsuit Again

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/5/12/2167063/phoenix-coyotes-vote-glendale-goldwater-institute

Message2Bettman

May 13th, 2011
11:11 pm

This is all classic Bettman, scare the daylights out of the existing market, get more publicity than the team ever gets at this time of year, present relocation alternative and then extort funds from local owners/government/fans – the Manitoba Moose launched their 2011-2012 season ticket drive on Wednesday…there is no way the Thrashers are going North.

jim

May 13th, 2011
11:18 pm

I think a serious season ticket campaign would ensure the Thrashers stay for the upcoming season and buy more time for prospective new owners to kick the tires.No question ASG wants to sell but if the Thrashers can sell 14,000 season tickets in the next 6-8 weeks I think it would go a long way to buying some time to keep the team in Atlanta.This is a market the NHL doesn’t want to lose but they don’t own the team as they do in Arizona.Sounds like the mayor is getting a bit more involved now as well.If Nashville could save the Predators surely Atlanta can save the Thrashers!

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May 13th, 2011
11:32 pm

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goose

May 13th, 2011
11:46 pm

EA do you have a link to that radio interview

Gwinnett Fred

May 13th, 2011
11:48 pm

For some reason most of you people seem to think the ASG gives a damn about Atlanta.

THEY DON’T. They will sell out and try to make a buck – period.

The only way to get payback will be to boycott the Hawks when they are the only tenant at Phillips.

Do not go to any event at Phillips. Seriously, one year of boycotting events and you’d be amazed how fast musical acts, etc will flock (even more than they already do) to the Gwinnett Arena!

P!$$ on the ASG – there is nothing for us fans to fight for, they have made up their minds (years ago) – and that’s it.

Sad, but true.

Sean

May 13th, 2011
11:53 pm

So what’s the latest on Stephen Rollins trying to buy the team? Apprently he also expressed in interest?

Gwinnett Fred

May 13th, 2011
11:57 pm

It’s all Joe Johnson’s fault: Follow my 5 degees of separation!

The Thrashers aren’t moving if the ASG wasn’t so broke
The ASG wouldn’t be so broke if they didn’t overpay Johnson
Johnson wouldn’t be overpaid if they hadn’t gotten him in the 1st place
Belkin wouldn’t start the legal mess if they didn’t trade for Johnson
It’s Johnson’s fault

Nasty Nester

May 14th, 2011
12:11 am

So if the team heads north of the border and then wins the Stanley Cup within a couple years, I am going to initiate a Class-Action suit against the ASG owners for reimbursement of my 7 years of season tickets. The current owners are worthless. In the Arena, how many rafter sized posters of hockey players do you see? How much money was pulled from the Thrashers and put into the Hawks? How many times has the NHL had to tell the ASG that they were below the league minimum for the salary cap.. Yes, under the league minium. No wonder they’ve always lost money and been terrible.

Truth be told, unless a buyer gets all 3 (Thrashers, Hawks, Philips) the team is headed north much to my disappointment. Nobody is going to pay the money required to rent the arena for the hockey season unless they control the arena. That is where you make the money…ticket sales, merchandise sales, beer/food sales. And by not controlling the arena, you lose almost all that money. This year will be my second straight year of not owning season tickets unless a local buyer willing to spend money on the team to make them better is found.

Bye Thrashers…I hate Canadia. They stole the Flames and now want the Thrashers. If they get the Thrashers, I hope they flounder and fail miserably. Winnipeg is the taint sweat of Canadia.

AtlFlamesFan

May 14th, 2011
12:14 am

I still like the idea of a Class Action lawsuit against ASG (and the NHL?) for the deceptions that they have done to season ticket holders. Maybe a restraining order to prevent a sale?

litz

May 14th, 2011
1:26 am

McLellan

May 14th, 2011
4:41 am

How long can the NHL continue to survive? I think we could see retraction within the next 10 years. Moving teams isn’t a great idea. I think I’m going to start teaching my son to PLAY hockey and cheer for HIS team versus cheering for a bunch of adult infants getting paid loads of money and then watch my son weep when they leave. I’m tired of this debacle. I really don’t think, other than the top half to two thirds of the league, the NHL can maintain these 30 teams. As much as it pains me, it may be time cut bait and shut down teams. I really hate to say that but with the economy as it is, what other choice do we have?

hockeyfan88

May 14th, 2011
6:17 am

I’m a hockey fan from California GO DUCKS!!!! But seriously a hockey team in Atlanta??? That is the coolest thing EVER!!! (I know your team has been around so this is not the first time I heard about the Thrashers) I hope they don’t move the Thrashers to stupid Winnipeg or wherever in Canada. Hockey is an amazing sport and I love it so much!!! I mean a hockey team in Raleigh and Nashville and 2 teams in Florida? That is amazing! I may not be a Thrashers fan, but I stand by you Thrashers fans to keep your team in Atlanta! If I was wealthy, I would SOOOO buy a hockey team…..by hockey team I mean your team :) and I would make it a great team!!!! Any city can have a hockey team no matter where it is as long as you have:
1. Excellent Owner who goes through great lengths to make the franchise work
2. An arena to play
3. Sell tickets at a reasonable price
4. Hire a great coach
5. Have excellent scouts that can find the best players to play for your team in the upcoming season!!!!
I may have forgotten some steps but I think you all get my point. Hope alot of you in Atlanta and throughout Georgia read this. It may not make you feel any better about the situation but know that a hockey fan in California is with you guys to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta :) come on I want to see my team kick your team’s butt LOL. One final thing: Change your goal horn SONG 2 ROCKS just not Ole! Try BOOM by P.O.D someone on YouTube made an edited video of a Thrasher game and added it in there :)

teddybaxter7

May 14th, 2011
8:15 am

The financial landscape (True North ownership sports a billionaire owner)has changed since the Jets left Winnipeg (read, a facility that is in the top ten in North America for revenue) and the current ownership of True North gets the luxury of all revenues from the arena and a salary cap that did not exist when the Jets left. Come one Atlanta, don’t sing it bring it! This is your second kick at an NHL team. And as much as Winnipegers detest Gary Bettman, if you don’t buy tickets, dont expect ownership to continue to lose money.

kovyoverrated

May 14th, 2011
8:25 am

Would’nt you love to come home and tell your wife and kids that they have to sell the house in Sugarloaf (somehow) and move to beautiful Winnepeg?

Flagstaff

May 14th, 2011
8:29 am

hockeyfan88: It’s funny you should say that about the goal songs– they did exactly that in about February! Now, we have Song 2 and Boom, respectively. Thanks for your kind words, and come back anytime.

TheAntiMe

May 14th, 2011
8:42 am

If the ASG causes Atlanta to lose it’s second NHL franchise then every single owner in the ASG ownership needs to be sleeping right next to bin Laden.

The Balkan

May 14th, 2011
9:11 am

The fact is there is little truth to what a lot of you are spouting. “If we had a good team the people would come.” Let me take you back to Monday December 6th. The Thrashers were in the middle of winning 6 out 7 and in the thick of the points battle. Attendance for that night…..10,024. Moving to 12/16 vs Carolina(division rival) attendance was 11,043. The interest just isn’t here….call the movers.

Sean

May 14th, 2011
9:24 am

Winning has to be sustained over long periods of time with several trips to the playoffs and making runs at the Stanley Cup. Winning 6 of 7 while certainly is nice and something you can brag about it is not going to build the fanbase.

The Balkan

May 14th, 2011
9:44 am

Sean…..never mind building a fan base…it didn’t get anyone excited!

TheAntiMe

May 14th, 2011
9:56 am

Yeah, Balkan, and you should probably find someone to move a brain into that block of ice of yours. When an ownership comes into a franchise with the plan of spending no more that the 29th highest amount of money in a 30 team league and just hoping that by some miracle that they can still somehow make money, in spite of the vastly inferior product that they are providing, then the hockey fans of Atlanta should get a medal for being as patient as they have been.

And the fact that the best that you can come up with is a string 7 games in the 9 years that the ASG has held the Thrashers hostage should give even you a clue of how badly the hockey fans of Atlanta have been screwed by this sorry excuse for an ownership known as the ASG.

BirdsStaySouthThisWinter

May 14th, 2011
10:05 am

I worked for Atlanta Spirit for one year, and it was an utter disaster. They mis-managed every aspect of the business and constantly ran good people off, with a very high turnover rate in the sales and marketing groups. This is no way to find to achieve positive growth. Prior to joining the organization I was a very successful sales executive for another NHL franchise, but ASG could care less. I have great experience in the field of ticket sales and sports marketing with plenty of outstanding ideas that I guarantee would increase the number of butts in the seats at Philips Arena. Get me in front of a prospective local buyer who cares about the Thrashers and keeping hockey in Atlanta and it would all be worthwhile!

Brendan

May 14th, 2011
10:30 am

Nobody can make attendance arguments post-lawsuit, for the Thrashers. I suppose we could talk about attendance in 2005-06, when the team has a max cap opening night budget, and perhaps, stretching it to the max, we could talk about 2007, when they ended the year at near max cap. But from the point of the NYR sweep on, fans sussed out what the AS, LLC was all about. No accountability over the disasterous trade deadline deals, that saw Atlanta sacrifice a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick, plus Metropolit, for Keith Tkachuk, Coburn for Zhitnik, Vishnevsky for Belanger, and Bourret for Dupuis + a 3rd rounder to New York.

Coach Hartley wasn’t even fired until six games into the 2007-08 season. And Waddell is still has a desk with this stuff on it, in the office space of the Atlanta Spirit, LLC. That’s not how to operate a team “trying to win.” So, I don’t care if Atlanta rattled off 15 straight wins, if the fans don’t have faith in the ownership/management of the team, they’re not going to come out to support it. Not properly, anyway. Look back to 1999-2000, for an NHL attendance record for an expansion team, and you’ll find where the true interest in hockey was. After letting Audette, Brunette, Staios, Savard, the rights to Stephane Robidas go … it became clear that the intent and commitment level from ownership was lacking in proportion to the fan support it was receiving. Atlanta sports fans aren’t stupid, and don’t throw ‘blind support’ behind a product. If ownership is demonstrably committed, the fans will come. No one should expect support of this ownership group. That fact that 10,000 fans are willing to IGNORE who owns this team, to show up anyway, speaks to volume of hockey fans who will come, in spite of it all. I have no doubt that this team would be averaging 16,000 fans a night for a meaningless game in mid-Decemeber, in mid-week, if it were a consistent 50-win, 100-point type producer, with ownership within hovering distance of the cap limit every year. The discerning Atlanta fan … can figure out what’s going on. This market, sports-wise, isn’t stupid. If you’re an owner of a sports team, and you’re spending money, and holding players, coaches and managers accountable for results, the fans take notice of it. They’ll support you.

Sean

May 14th, 2011
10:40 am

I know we all want the Thrashers to stay but if there is some sort of deal to re-locate I think the Manitoba Moose should be part of that deal and they would be brought to Atlanta and could be re-named the Atlanta Thrashers and we’d have Thrashers hockey at the AHL level.

MrBill

May 14th, 2011
10:49 am

That would be a great idea because the Moose would have to relocate anyway.

MrBill

May 14th, 2011
10:50 am

But one question who would own the team and do we trade the ownership as well ?

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
10:58 am

I seriously doubt TNSE is actually trying to move a 60 million dollar payroll team into tiny inadequate MTS, have they made an announcement on the subject..

too many on the ICE

May 14th, 2011
11:01 am

I head Dan Kamal is trying to see if his contract will carry over to the new city. My source is very reliable and close to the situation.

Sean

May 14th, 2011
11:02 am

No there hasn’t been any announcement and there probably won’t be until a final deal is done. TNSE would probably sign a no-disclosure agreement before getting into any kind of talks with ASG. I think that is kind of bogus though i’m sure the fans in Winnipeg want to know what is going on just like we do.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:03 am

Lets assume the NHL did want to relocate a franchise.. Folks are aware that the NHL is not limited to previously failed markets, right..

Seriously ANY place that promises to build an adequate facility would have to be in line ahead of a community that insists a tiny inadequate facility is “good enough” for the NHL..

Sean

May 14th, 2011
11:07 am

MrBill, TNSE currently owns the Moose so they’d probably have to give them up in return for the Thrashers(If such a deal took place) then there would have to be a local buyer interested in bringing the Moose to the ATL which i’m sure owning an AHL team is cheaper than owning an NHL team.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:09 am

Sean, the Moose are profitable, do you really think that TNSE is going to give that up for Darren Fraud’s already failed NHL dream..

Sage of Bluesland

May 14th, 2011
11:14 am

I’ve given up on the team being here–all signs have pointed to it for a long time now. My only hope remains is that Don Waddell gets the hell out of town, after defrauding the good people for so many years.

Only about ten years too late….but, such it is with incompetent and uncaring ownership, coupled with too many ignorant sheep and their wittle spweadsheets and their “incremental progress”…

Too bad it took so many of you so long to see the obvious.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:18 am

Has there been any type of announcement that TNSE is even trying to get a team.. A press conference, media release, cryptic note, ANYTHING??

Sean

May 14th, 2011
11:21 am

Yeah I don’t think it looks good either, I imagine we’re all anticipating the dreaded headline “Thrashers leaving ATL for Winnipeg”.

G52: Winnipeg wants an NHL team back and the Coyotes were there first choice since that is where they originally came from, but with the Yotes staying for now anyway I imagine TNSE has turned its attention on the Thrashers.

MrBill

May 14th, 2011
11:21 am

Hey I took a ride out to the Ice forum this morning where the Thrashers practice and I saw a mayflower moving truck backed up to the dock and they were loading something not sure what they were loading could have been equipment of some sort. Noboby would say anything.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:26 am

Sean,

What I am looking for is ANY evidence AT ALL that “TNSE has turned its attention” to ANYTHING.. Other than providing some leverage to get a deal in Glendale done, TNSE has shown NO interest in joining the NHL.. TNSE built the MTS woefully inadequate for the NHL for a REASON..

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:32 am

An NHL team in loserpeg only benefits a handful of brain dead jets zealots and no one else.. All the other Canadian small markets lose money, so the NHL can’t be excited.. The building is inadequate so TNSE can’t be excited.. Only a few kids that remember the going away rally even care..

Nobody went to the Jets games but EVERYONE went to the good-bye rally..

MrBill

May 14th, 2011
12:04 pm

I’m buying the thrashers I have check made out $150 million.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
12:06 pm

Well, we have heard from Bill, any word from TNSE..

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
12:57 pm

Funny how silence from the NDA signers in Atlanta is a sure sign they do not exist, while at the same time TNSE’s silence is a shrewd business maneuver and the right way to do things..

East Point Bob

May 14th, 2011
1:17 pm

I will gladly throw each asg owner off the flight deck of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson, alive or dead, makes no difference, these liars deserve it and I, for one, hope they all get, esp… that Rutherford Snydel
thing who lied on opening night 2007, about “doing everything we can to bring the Stanley Cup to Atlanta.” I hope and prey to GOD above that when his time comes, his soul goes straight to HELL !

Gwinnett Fred

May 14th, 2011
2:03 pm

Anybody got an American Express Unlimited Gold Card I can borrow??

EA

May 14th, 2011
2:05 pm

jebediah

May 14th, 2011
2:16 pm

G52 now trolling the AZ site HAHAHHAHAHA. How’s phx doing buddy?
G52 is upset that wpg will have an NHL team AND BILLIONAIRE owner… and yes, it has been reported TSNE is in search of NHL team… Read the NHL section wpg freepress.

Rhythmpenguin

May 14th, 2011
2:32 pm

Thanks everyone who has posted links for videos and articles.

wpgJetsfan

May 14th, 2011
2:34 pm

G52PIM228,

WOW now you’re trolling the Atlanta Boards? Get back to your WELFARE COYOTE Boards.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
2:42 pm

Still not a peep from TNSE.. Nice how a bunch of idiots are so willing to spend a billionaire’s money without his consent..

Old School

May 14th, 2011
2:56 pm

Good Bye Thrashers – ya can’t get moved out of the area fast enough for me……you are nothing but a major bust and have been for a long time! Good Riddance!!!!

chaz

May 14th, 2011
3:10 pm

G52, give it up! Phoenix is still there (for now), why are you here throwing mud? Everyone on this board has been mature and posts smart thought out comments. There is no room here for immaturity. Leave that on your own message board. This comment section is a pleasure to read. Lets leave it that way. Please!

TNSE, and David Thomson, don’t do business in public. That is also common knowledge.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
3:13 pm

“That is also common knowledge.”

Because you can read David Thompson’s mind.. Got it..

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
3:16 pm

angryATLfan

May 14th, 2011
3:34 pm

get off our boards G52. ATL does not need phx welfare comments. You are not wanted here. ATL has already said goodbye to NHL hockey… PHX will be doing so shortly.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

The NHL is about as interested in the loserpeg market as they are Kabul.. The team might move but it will NEVER go to loserpeg, their insistence that an AHL facility will be good enough makes it IMPOSSIBLE..

ben

May 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

I feel that this is a chep stunt on the part of the ajc and various other media outlets around town, most of whom are owned by the same people. why are there not CREDIBLE MAIN-LINE NEWS OUTLETS in Canada reporting this? Why has it not shown up on the ESPN crawler? Why is there a story on ESPN.com refuting the whole thing? Why is the Winnepeg Free Press silent? And another thing, I find it odd that perspective owners, who alledgedly don’t exist one minute, are alledgedly talking to the host of a Facebook fan site the next. Maybe, no comment isn’t a bad thing. Maybe Bettman can’t comment on a non story.

Also, does anyone know, not conjecture, not speculation, but KNOW what the standards of truth in reporting are in Canada? I know here in America, media outlets might get in real trouble if they lie about the news, is the same true in Canada?

wpgJetsfan

May 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

Ben,

Well as Gary Lawless said on the Winnipeg Free Press, no one is talking right now. No sources, or anything. It’s all a HUSH.

If any information that comes out is coming out from the Atlanta Media aka this site. At least your media covers the Thrashers unlike the Welfare Coyotes.

So if your media is saying things a dire and nothing in Canada media is saying anything, then things could be dire. Honestly I still felt that the Atlanta Market should’ve been saved over the Phoenix one.

BobbyG

May 14th, 2011
3:58 pm

rumor mill is flying….Developing news on the Thrashers will come out today…..

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

“standards of truth in reporting are in Canada?”

My experience after digesting two years of north of the border coverage of this issue is that journalistic integrity is of no concern, it is all about rabble rousing and internet traffic..

Cornbread

May 14th, 2011
4:05 pm

So “The Balkan” cherry picks some Monday and Thursday night numbers in the traditionally hit or miss mid-December to try and prove a wrong point. If he were actually at the very next game of December 18 with 17,000+ fans he would know just how FOS he and everyone else is who spout this crap. BTW, that’s 1,500+ more than can fit in the Peg’s tiny not up to NHL standards arena.

I was there that night. Even was fortunate enough to make it on the Kiss Cam along with the Bennings. Eric Boulton got a hat trick and the Thrashers absolutely annihilated the Devils. As the thousands of fans ushered the Devils out of Phillips Arena in the concourse to the chants of “LET’S GO THRASHERS!”, people believed again. I have not heard or felt that excitement at a Thrashers’ game since their sole playoff appearance 4 years prior.

A feeling of this team is good and for real was finally starting to return. The next two home games saw 14,600+. One a Tuesday night game and the other a day after Christmas Sunday matinee in a snow storm game that I travelled 2+ hours to get to. The last December game saw the Thrashers beat the Bruins in front of 17,600+ on a Thursday night.

Unfortunately, the Thrashers of old returned in the next two months and lost all that momentum they had going for them. Had they continued to win, attendance would have continued to increase. In the end it was the same old Thrashers in many fans minds but still they managed to have numerous late season games of 16 and 17,000+. How many more thousands is that beyond the capacity of MTS Center? Point is, put a winning team on ice and there will not be an attendance issue. In fact, the attendance will be far greater than what could ever occur in the tiny Peg.

The ironic thing about the Peggers’ stupid attendance argument is that their team – should they ever manage to get one – would always be at or near the bottom 20% year after year – and that’s IF they sell-out all 41 games!

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

Loserpeg would be perpetual revenue sharing recipients because the BEST they can hope is to be 24th in attendance.. Where the NHL is concerned, MTS is the punchline to a joke, not a suitable venue..

[...] According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Atlanta Thrashers could be sold to True North Sports and Entertainment who would likely move the team to Winnipeg. [...]

southoftheborder

May 14th, 2011
4:18 pm

@Ben – Standards of truth in journalism are MUCH higher in Canada. They don’t even let Fox News up there for that very reason. That being said, TNSE and Thomson in particular are very closed off. Thomson is one of the richest men in the world yet he is not a publicity hound like a Donald Trump

@G52 – its amusing how you have taken your hate to different sites all over north america now.

Cornbread

May 14th, 2011
4:20 pm

teddybaxter likes to point to the Canadian media’s story that the NHL can be succesful in the Peg because TNSE owns the arena and operating revenues of the MTS Center that could offset any hockey losses.

Guess what Peggers, the same thing is occuring in Atlanta with the sorry ASG. They are not losing money in spite of running the Thrashers into the ground. And, I would not put it past these clowns if they cooked the books to make the hockey operations look worse than they really are.

Interesting that MTS is now top 10 in North America in revenues – more cooking of the books? I know they do well and are typically in or around the top 20. BUT, Phillips Arena IS always around – as they ar now – Number 2 in North America and Number 5 in the entire World! Come on now Peggers do you really believe ASG is losing tons of money?

Thrash Fan

May 14th, 2011
4:52 pm

An accurate answer to the only question that matters: http://www.DidTheThrashersMoveToWinnipegYet.com/

AYF4

May 14th, 2011
4:54 pm

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AYF4

May 14th, 2011
4:55 pm

Thanks guys, for taking rdrunner from us. He nearly had a melt down when I called his lovely Winnipeg a Frozen Craphole and the nickname went viral.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
5:09 pm

AYF too.. Boy this place went to crap in a HURRY..

too many on the ICE

May 14th, 2011
5:12 pm

Maybe Atlanta should get the Maple Leafs…they haven’t done anything in the history of their franchise

ben

May 14th, 2011
5:14 pm

Thanks for clearing up journalistic standards. But why do local buyers not exist on 1 report, but do on another report? If a move is happening SOON why does ESPN refute the story? I’ll agree, however reluctantly, that there are better markets for hockey than a city where no one wants to go downtown, but is Winnepeg the best one? Southern Ont., Seattle, KC, Indy all come to mind. Also that Charles Wang even said he’s trying to move his team. As far as I know there’s no hard fast rule stating that cup winners must stay where they are, it’s just tradition. But the research I’ve seen indecates the Isles are in more of a longterm pickle with their market than the Thrash are. You could even throw the Devs in. I mean if they keep losing like that. I mean, honestly, I see a a dier situation for the Devs if they don’t get right on back to their winning ways.

So, to have the Thrashers singled out as this 1 troubled team is crazy.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
5:22 pm

The Thrashers are merely the latest victim in the vultures sights.. Fact of the matter is the NHL is not limited to previously failed markets should relocation be considered.. There are REAL big league cities with actual NHL quality venues to consider.. Really a tiny village with an AHL size facility has no chance..

Wienerpeg Trolls

May 14th, 2011
5:46 pm

How ironic is it that a troll from another city (Wienerpeg) says something to someone also not from Atlanta about posting on these blogs? You arrogant trolls think you own hockey, you think you own an NHL team already, and now you think you own the blogs on an Atlanta newspaper. I’ve never been so bored as to have to even look at a Wienerpeg blog, if there is such a thing. Stay warm up there trolls.

Sully

May 14th, 2011
5:47 pm

This is for you dopes who told me I have no clue what I’m talking about…here’s my persdoanl UYOURS card…enjoy, from today’s Toronto Sun (where they’ve forgotten abot more hockey than you’ll ever know)
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Two days into the Atlanta Thrashers watch, and it’s been hard to find one reason to believe the NHL’s latest hotspot franchise won’t just burn right up and move, like the Flames before it.

First, NHL brass acknowledges it can’t guarantee the Thrashers will be in Georgia next season.

Normally, Gary Bettman and Bill Daly talk around questions like that.

Scribes in Atlanta, while calling for the NHL to fight for the team the way it did for the Phoenix Coyotes, say it’s all but over. One said Friday he’s 95% sure the Thrashers are moving to the ’Peg.

But the most telling comments I’ve seen came from one of the Thrashers owners, Bruce Levenson, who talked to an Atlanta TV crew before the Hawks/Chicago Bulls game, Thursday night.

A few things about Levenson’s interview stood out.

One, when he was asked if the solution — finding a buyer to keep the team in Atlanta — was any closer than it was two months ago.

“I don’t think so, no,” Levenson said.

Two, when he was asked about the possibility he and his partners could hang in there another year while they look for a buyer.

“That’s a scenario we haven’t even thought about it,” was his mind-boggling reply, apparently contradicting the suggestion Daly made the same day, when he suggested another year for the same owners, in the same place, was possible.

And last, but certainly not least, Levenson was asked what he’d say to fans wondering where the whole thing stands.

“If you know anybody who’s interested, have them get in touch with us,” he said.

Not, “Hang in there, we’re doing everything we can.” Not, “Keep the faith.” Not, “Buy your season tickets to help us out.”

Instead, Levenson wondered aloud if there was a billionaire in the cheap seats who might have an extra $110 million in his jeans that he wouldn’t mind spending, between beers and hot dogs, to keep hockey in Hot-lanta.

He looked and sounded like an owner who’s given up.

Add it all up, and things look pretty bleak for fans down there, pretty bright for folks up here, at least the ones ready to buy back into the bigs.

Unless, that is, you believe in mystery buyers like “The Balkan,” an unidentified saviour reported in certain Atlanta circles as willing to buy the Thrashers, Hawks and Phillips Arena and keep them all right where they are.

Seems to me there’s about as much chance of that guy existing as a balcony billionaire in torn jeans with cash falling out of his pockets.

Of course, the other side will tell you they’re already charging credit cards for Thrashers season-ticket payments, that the Manitoba Moose started selling next season a week ago and that the Carolina Hurricanes scheduled an exhibition game against Atlanta for Sept. 25, in Charlotte, N.C..

But those are all just details, payable today, refundable tomorrow.

Yes, it’s getting awfully late to relocate an NHL franchise, maybe an AHL one, too, for next season.

I don’t pretend to know which way this one’s going to go, any more than I know which way Phoenix will go.

But I will interrupt the hysteria to offer a dash of sober, second thought.

As thrilled as most of us will be with the return of big-league hockey to our soggy burg, does it really have to be the Coyotes or Thrashers?

I mean, these two franchises have thinner histories than Tweet Deck.

Between the two of them, they’ve missed the playoffs 17 of their last 22 seasons.

Neither has won even a single playoff series, Atlanta not a solitary playoff game.

Why can’t the Sharks or Lightning be on the move, instead?

Then again, given the sorry recent history of the Blue Bombers, and before that the Jets, the Thrashers would fit right in.

EA

May 14th, 2011
5:48 pm

Bottom line, attendance is the problem. Those who decided to boycott due to their feelings about the owners and/or losing seasons which are very justified on both fronts have left us in this situation. If we keep the team for a year, attendance will the key to keeping it here long term. Those who attended to support the TEAM, can’t do anymore.

Sully

May 14th, 2011
5:49 pm

That was supposed to say PERSONAL UP YOURS Card, the keys stuck.

southoftheborder

May 14th, 2011
6:13 pm

Ben,

The thing is that the sale is not being done out in the open. So different writers are talkign to different people and lets be honest its ripe for speculation. Also, if someone wanted to buy and move the team they would be best served keeping everything on the downlow. After what happened with Jim Ballsille people have learned you got to play nice with the Gary Bettman and do what he says. So TNSE has to play by his rules.

You are right about the Islanders but they have an issue on the ballot this summer to build a new arena. If the issue doesn’t pass look for them to jump to the top of the list of movable franchises. NJ just built a new arena for the Devils and you are seeing a lot of the same dynamic with Glendale is that the NHL doesn’t want to move out of an arena just after it was built because they won’t be able to get a city to build them an arena if they move just after building one. The difference with your arena is that it was built for 2 teams and your other team isn’t going anywhere. AZ (which has to be in the running for America’s stupidest state) built jobing.com arena for just hockey while the Suns play in another arena 15 miles away. So moving your team won’t look as bad to Long Island voters as moving the Coyotes. As for why Winnipeg is at the top of the list, I agree Southern Ontario should be first but its all upto Bettman. He was the one who brought up Winnipeg when the Coyotes situation first came up. Also with So Ontario you have the Sabres who will be hurt by it. KC I am not sure about since they didn’t draw when had a preseason game last year (the Islanders were playing and it was supposedly an audition for the market). Seattle doesn’t have an arena or any plans for one. Portland its all upto Paul Allen. He made a bid for the Penguins when they were in bankruptcy that didn’t go anywhere.

Lastly, why you are being singled out is that you have motivated sellers who don’t really care if the team stays or not. Also, as I alluded to earlier you are one of 10 teams where you share an arena with and NBA team (not including NJ because thats only temporary) so the NHL wouldn’t have the black eye of leaving a city with a white elephant.

Tfir

May 14th, 2011
6:29 pm

@ Blue

I absolutly feel your pain. I was 11 years old when they moved my Jets out of Winnipeg. I had been to damn near every game since I was 6, my family had season tickets and I wanted nothing more than to be the next Khabby.

I hate all the name calling and resentment that this has started between hockey fans in various cities and I wish that there was a way that we could have our team back without somone loosing theirs becuase I know exactly how it feels.

scott

May 14th, 2011
6:37 pm

Im in Winnipeg and Im waiting for the thrashers to relocate. But at the same time we know what your going through and we all agree that bettman and daly need to be fired!!! But you need to find buyers to keep your team thats what matters and its been for sale for over a year with no takers.

Mike Wagner

May 14th, 2011
6:56 pm

I feel badly for the loyal fans too. And it’s definitely all about owners. It’d be easy to point out that a previous NHL franchise left your town, but for those who can remember.. Norm Green had a big hand in moving that team to Calgary (nothing against that city). And I was living in Mpls/St. Paul in 1993 when he owned the North Stars.. a rebounding franchise on the rise.. and he stole them from the Twin Cities and planted them in Dallas. The NHL does seem to have the power to block moves.. St. Louis to Saskatoon (yes really) back in the 80’s but if the Winnipeg offer is valid, and it seems to be, then I’d be shocked if the NHL blocked the move. And nothing against Winnipeg either. This is a different time than 1995. The potential owner is loaded and has waited patiently. I’m surprised the league has wasted so much effort on Phoenix though. Their only bonified offer at that moment has the taxpayers forking over cash to help a potential new owner step in. That doesn’t seem right either. Best of luck with your team.

ben

May 14th, 2011
7:03 pm

@southoftheborder,

this arena is 12 years old and was built for hockey. it isn’t as though it’s a dinosaur. the thrashers were fine at the gate until hossa left. this town, famous as “looserville” does not support loosing at all. If the thrashers leave, going to ‘Peg is just going to move them again in 20-25 years. this league has always had trouble in its non-traditional cities which are honestly cities outside of toronto and montreal and maybe ottawa. but if one looks at the history the norris family floated this team for years, it competed w/ the old whl, the ahl, the wha, and possibly the ihl for major status through its history.

the ballooning salaries and lack of year-in, year-out front burner status in a lot of markets mean that the nhl’s economic system is broken and has been for years. Long-term, maybe the Thrashers should move. This isn’t a public trust, after all. But, Winnepeg will in the long-run just be one of many stops.

Too, I don’t believe the ASG when it says that they have been losing money only or even mostly on the Thrashers. I also don’t believe they could sell the Thrash and keep the Hawks. Hockey could work here, to the extent it works outside of eastern Canada, but not with these owners, and maybe not with a downtown arena.

I love hockey, but hjave grown to hate all the negativeity associated with this team on this board through the years. If the Thrashers leave, I want an AHL team to go and watch and then maybe as the area keeps growing they put a new NHL team in the core burbs. But to think that tthis solves anything by moving this team to Winnepeg is nuts.

illputitoncspan

May 14th, 2011
7:40 pm

It’s kind of funny that when the original plans to build Phillips Arena called for it to be built around the top end of the perimeter there were many people with the city , county and business community who complained that it had to be built downtown. They said if it was built outside the city it would kill downtown. Now that this city’s hockey team is on the verge of leaving where are all those people?… Where are all the cries? You now hear nothing from those very same people. Where is the Chamber? Where is the ACVB? The only reason the mayor said anything about it is because he was asked. And no, I don’t think for a second that the city should give a penny to this team or the NHL. But now these people can’t even be bothered to speak up. Brutal!!!

illputitoncspan

May 14th, 2011
7:46 pm

Oh, my bad. I forgot the Atlanta Sports Council. Where is Gary Stokan? That guy is paid over $500,000 a year (fact) and he can’t be bothered to speak up. Unbelievable!!!

marty

May 14th, 2011
8:11 pm

It’s spelled ‘lose’ and ‘losing’.. not LOOSE. You win or lose a game. Your pants are tight or loose.

too many on the ICE

May 14th, 2011
8:48 pm

Anyone see D-Wad? He must be getting ready for his next promotion.

southoftheborder

May 14th, 2011
8:49 pm

Ben – What I was saying about Philips is that it was built for basketball AND hockey, not just hockey like Jobing.com or some of the others. So if the NHL leaves Atlanta it won’t compromise efforts to get arenas built as much as leaving AZ will. For example in August, Nassau County NY will vote on a new arena for the Islanders. This will be an extremely heated debate because there are more problems with the Islanders than just the arena, but arena opponents could point to AZ and go “look they built a new arena for the Coyotes and they left after 8 years”. Don’t get me wrong I think AZ should lose their team before you do because they can’t even sell out for a playoff team.

southoftheborder

May 14th, 2011
9:07 pm

G52 – stay at the kids table (i.e. the AZ Central boards) there is a grown up discussion going on here.

ben

May 14th, 2011
9:09 pm

at southoftheborder,

yes it has two tennants, but turner built it for hockey. I think hockey of some sort will be back in it after a while. And I would love see that. If I were in Long Island I would vote no for the exact reason + what’ll go on with the Devs if they don’t shape it up + plus here. This relocation agnst is in reality a league-wide issue which won’t go away until the major Canadian markets get yearly cup WINNERS.

fraserwoodflyer

May 14th, 2011
9:43 pm

Downtown, if the team moves to Winnipeg, the HOCKEY market will increase by about 100-1000 x’s what it is in Atlanta. What good is an untapped market that will always be untapped? Was with the Flames and again with the Thrashers. Hockey is a part of life in Winnipeg. Sucks for Atlanta but the market just isn’t there for the pro game.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
10:32 pm

No news from TNSE.. How shocking..

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
10:48 pm

“they can’t even sell out for a playoff team.”

Phoenix sells out ALL playoff games, unlike the loserpeg jokes that hold the low attendance RECORD for the modern era with 8500 fans at a Stanley Cup playoff game..

illputitoncspan

May 14th, 2011
10:53 pm

Ben, not sure if the arena was built for hockey. Regardless, it was one of the early of many mistakes/gimmicks from the two organizations (Turner/ASG). The arena blows – and that is being kind. Putting all the suites on one side of the arena was a huge mistake. The atmosphere sucks. They also did a great job of pricing out the joe average fan they needed to build a fan base. Brilliant!!!

And with all due respect, once the Thrashers leave there will not be another hockey team (not professional) that will ever play there. They will play at Gwinnett. No reason for a minor league team to go downtown.

illputitoncspan

May 14th, 2011
10:57 pm

If the Thrashers are moving to Winnipeg it will happen this week. No way Bettman lets it happen during the Stanley Cup Finals.

Brendan

May 14th, 2011
10:59 pm

Congrats to the Tampa Bay Lightning, who have now won 8 in-a-row, in these 2011 playoffs. Pretty impressive.

litz

May 14th, 2011
11:08 pm

So …. back to The Balkan (isn’t guessing stuff fun?) …

‘nother tweet today, this time for Jay Clemons : “never hard of a 72-year-old man say “chill-lax” before … strange.”

So … cue the list of 72 year olds on the Forbes 400 :

9 Charles Koch 19.0b Wichita, KS manufacturing, energy
20 Carl Icahn 12.0b New York, NY leveraged buyouts
20 John Mars 12.0b Arlington, VA candy, pet food
105 Donald Schneider 3.5b Green Bay, WI trucking
227 T Denny Sanford 2.0b Sioux Falls, SD Banking, credit cards
262 George Lindemann & family 1.8b Palm Beach, FL investments
301 James Kim & family 1.6b Bryn Mawr, PA microchips
301 Drayton McLane Jr 1.6b Temple, TX Wal-Mart, logistics
321 Edmund Ansin 1.5b Miami Beach, FL Sunbeam Broadcasting
355 Richard Egan 1.4b Hopkinton, MA EMC Corp
377 Norma Lerner 1.3b Cleveland, OH inheritance

OHL

May 14th, 2011
11:08 pm

How do the Gladiators draw down there? You will pick up a minor league team if you are strong enough. Sorry Atlanta, but enjoy the Hawks. Maybe with the Thrashers leaving you can add a key player that will put the Hawks to the next level instead of losing money on the Thrashers. That said, potential can only be potential for so long before it is no longer potential. So you can’t say anymore that you have the potential to be a great market. Blame anyone you want but if you can’t put butts in seats it ain’t gonna happen. I’ve read everything from bad management to boycotts are the problem, but when you are bottom in attendance year in and year out it’s only a matter of time.

litz

May 14th, 2011
11:11 pm

Jeez, I can’t type …

Jay Clemons tweet was : “never heard a 72-year-old man say “chill-lax” before … strange.”

ben

May 14th, 2011
11:14 pm

the reports i’ve seen says something will have to be put in writing by mid / late may as that’s when the sked gets hammered out. i’ve also seen reports that clubs have tro consider offers to keep the club local FIRST.

Also Phillips was built as a condition per NHL for the Thrashers coming here. I really feel that if / when the Thrashers leave, we’ll get some kind of Hockey tennant in Phillips. I also have seen the NHL do this a lot. I’ll bet the NHL buys this team and gets a fund guy to buy it in a year or two. OR Atlanta gets an AHL team or a relocated NHL team.

OHL

May 14th, 2011
11:22 pm

If the Thrashers leave who will relocate to Atlanta? Unfortunately the IHL ain’t what it used to be and the AHL will only go to TX/OK. Reported today that decision will come in 3 weeks per HNIC.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:28 pm

If the Thrashers relocate the VERY LAST place they will end up is in a tiny already failed cluster of igloos inhabited my snow monkeys..

Sean

May 14th, 2011
11:32 pm

“How do the Gladiators draw down there? ”

Good question and wish I knew the answer to it. Atlanta supported the Knights when they were in town before moving to Quebec.

Fraserwoodflyer

May 14th, 2011
11:32 pm

FYI G52: You could buy LOWER LEVEL seats the DAY OF both of their play-off games! If not for 4-6,000 Detroit fans at each of the games they would not have been close. If you can’t support a competitive (PHX has been past two years), then so much for the “if the team wins the fans will come” theory. And this was with their opportunity to show a potential owner what a great market it was. That arena is more deserted than the Arizona desert during the regular season, have been there twice, last time got row 9 blueline for $35! Pretty sweet, except if you own the team. Sure they have 5-10,000 hard core hockey fans, just not nearly enough. In Winnipeg people live, play, eat, sleep, breath the sport. Maybe like Georgians do Football? Though the Falcons have received merely bandwagon support over the years. Maybe its just a college town, definitely not a sports town. Sorry, hate all you want, Winnipeg is just better.

ben

May 14th, 2011
11:32 pm

@OHL,

I meant in the future. Relocation in the future. The Thrasher’s main problem always was / is they are an expansion team which was run into the ground and people didn’t want to pay NHL prices for an AHL product. There are almost 6,000,000 in this area. If you give them something worth coming out to see and put in a safe area you’d get your sellouts.

Relocation:

no specifics but i promise if a third of the league is in trouble, pick one. also, how are the Hawks? What happens when they are the sole tennant? That’s why there might be nothing to this or ASG gets the Moose.

G52PIM228

May 14th, 2011
11:36 pm

Loserpeg is aJOKE that forced their NHL team out of town by REFUSING to build an adequate facility so instead of building an NHL facility to try to get a team back, you funking MORONS build a 15,000 seat AHL arena and call it good enough.. EPIC FAIL..

Go East, Young Men | Fear The Hat

May 15th, 2011
12:07 am

[...] Columbus Blue Jackets have asked to move to the Eastern Conference, and if Atlanta is truly poised to relocate to Winnipeg, then the Jackets may (emphasis on may) get their [...]

Fraserwoodflyer

May 15th, 2011
12:25 am

Oh G52, never mind, you’re one “those”. Not gonna waste my time with you anymore. Your comments speak for themselves. Not enough hugs as a kid huh? I’m sure you could just run upstairs and your mom will give you a nice big one. Sorry to hear about your inferiority complex, I’ll leave you alone.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
12:42 am

That’s sweet Fraser but it is the mindless brain dead jets zealots that NEED your pity..

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
12:49 am

“those”.

“Those” is somebody not brainwashed by the moron Darren Fraud..

GoBruinsGo

May 15th, 2011
1:04 am

Wow G52, you really are a moron, huh?
Let me enlighten you on why NHL can work in Atl, why it will work in Wpg, and why it will likely fail in Phx. This might take a few sentences and I will use big words, so get help from an adult and take potty breaks, okay?
First, Atlanta. With competent and dedicated management, there is no way that the NHL should fail in the 8th largest US market. The NHL knows that, and if the Thrash leave, the NHL will eventually return. However, gate revenue may not be enough, and the team might need to own the arena, parking, concessions, etc. Contrary to popular news reporting AS does not own the rink, they only manage it. To my knowledge, only the following teams own the arenas they play in: Toronto Boston Vancouver Philadelphia Washington Rangers Los Angeles Chicago Montreal Colorado Tampa Bay Ottawa. That’s a relatively stable bunch, I would say.
Still with me, braniac? Now, Winnipeg. I’m going to do some math, so your head will hurt. You keep moaning about the 15000 seat MTS Center. I’m not sure I could explain the concept of supply and demand to you, so you’ll have to accept that a Winnipeger will gladly pay twice as much to see a hockey game compared go an Arizonian. Same idea as a Texan willing to pay more to see football game then, say, a German. It’s just that way. So $100 X 15000 = $1.5M, while $50 X 20000 = $1.0M. You get that, right. Oh, also, Winnipeg would join the list above, since TNSE owns the MTS Center. More revenue with parking, beer, popcorn, etc. By the way, that was not the case with the Jets.
Finally, Phoenix. This is just a matter of economics. You do realize that, right? The Yotes are not on the arena-ownership list above, and they are not generating revenue at the gate. The only viable business model is subsidization, which the tax base will not accept as a permanent solution. The NHL knows this, which is why they locked for a 10-year option.
I know, you’re still very confused, but the other children will explain it to you.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:11 am

That is an interesting post but the proof is in the pudding and there is no team in tiny loserpeg, and there NEVER will be..

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:13 am

Bruins, I HATE to break it to ya but ALL the Canadian small market teams lose money, you MORONS thinking the NHL is going to to add another is as ignorant as it is funny..

Wimps_ca

May 15th, 2011
1:22 am

G52, instead of being a childish buffoon, if you want to do something constructive channel your efforts to sell tickets instead of being a useless trashing troll.

Nobody in the ‘peg wants to profit at Atlanta’s expense, most of us know the pain of having the loss of YOUR team.

Taking shots at the ‘peg shows your immaturity, and by the way, the Calgary Flames are a huge financial success after the Canuck dollar quit being the Cdn peso.
I want an expansion team for the’peg, but it is up to YOU to buy tickets and keep the team, DON’T BLAIM THE ‘PEG IF FANS DON’T SHOW UP.

GoBruinsGo

May 15th, 2011
1:27 am

G52, I’m not sure you grasp basic economics. Sleep well!

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:28 am

I’m trying to put to bed the ignorant fantasy that the NHL is somehow interested in putting a team in a tiny already failed market when there are BETTER options with actual NHL venues available(KC/Houston come to mind).. You people are fooling yourselves and I pity you, so I am trying to help..

:-)

Wimps_ca

May 15th, 2011
1:49 am

G52
Trying to help? all you do is bash, The CALGARY Flames are hugely sucessful, Atlanta is already a failed market so don’t go there.

Wpg may be a small market but like Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa there is passion for hockey like there is for football in the south.

Like I’ve posted before, instead of being a useless trashing troll channel your efforts into selling tickets and save your team.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:59 am

“Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa ”

All three of those teams LOSE MONEY and Winnipeg is MUCH smaller and poorer.. Perhaps you need to familiarize yourself with the economics:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2010/12/8/1536097/nhl-relocation-winnipeg-quebec-city

Wimps_ca

May 15th, 2011
2:15 am

G52,
Both the CALGARY flames and Edmonton make money, both need new arenas that is fact. The CALGARY Flames foundation donates hugh coin to minor hochey so quit talking about something you know nothing about.

Passion for the game is what this article misses, like I’ve said, sell tickets, quit bashing the fans in Canada.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
2:23 am

That is why Katz went before the Edmonton council and said the loses were “unsustainable” before demanding a HUGE public subsidy in the form of a billion dollar downtown revitalization the small town can little afford.. Katz is demanding a new facility, without one the team will relocate.. I suspect he is making unreasonable demands of the tiny community in the hopes of abandoning it..

Wimps_ca

May 15th, 2011
2:29 am

Katz, unlike anyone in Atlanta, is willing to put his money where his mouth is. Hw has ponied up $100 mil of his own dollars to a new facility.
Edmonton will get this done, how is your tripe selling tickest in Atlanta?

Steve

May 15th, 2011
2:31 am

I live just outside Winnipeg. I wouldn’t count on your team moving. Bettman moved the Jets from Winnipeg and he’ll never admit that he was wrong. He would rather hang your owners out to dry just like he did in Pheonix.

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
3:08 am

Ben – quick question. Without the Thrashers wouldn’t Philips have been built for the Hawks anyway? I don’t think they would still be at the Omni

Yuuvno Ballzerdikk

May 15th, 2011
6:15 am

Philips is an all purpose arena, but just like our hockey team it has been neglected also, it got run down pretty quick. Ever been in the restrooms? You have to swim through urine and you aren’t sure whether or not arena personnel will steal your wallet or help you if it’s stolen. Hey, they at least removed criminal crackhead element after a few seasons. They used to linger in packs outside after games, always fun getting harassed and having some dude in brand new Nike’s beg for money.

.. I’ve said it before, whoever put this franchise together regarding location, our AHL ties, team name, team ownership / management needs to be ran out of town also, it was fatally flawed from day 1..yet people blame the fans. I swear if this organization can be blessed with a miracle, the new owners need to re-brand the franchise, so they may attract new fans and so original fans like myself won’t have to associate anything with the “Thrashers” ever again.

Mark

May 15th, 2011
8:05 am

Boycott all Atlanta Spirit events at Phillips, including Hawks and concerts. Screw these guys…

Casare Maniago

May 15th, 2011
8:31 am

I lived here when the Flames left….and now it looks as if the Thrashers may be leaving soon….and no, I did not live in Minnesota when the Stars left (a whole other issue)

I have said this a number of times…and it has been stated several times before…the location of the facilities in ATL is one of, if not the worst, in the US. No easy way in or out….surrounded by some of the worst neighborhoods in the Metro Area. No areas safe to tailgate before or after a game. Outside of CNN Center, where would you want to venture out to….the public bathing showers in Centennial Olympic Park?

Some say hockey can’t make it in the South…been to Raleigh? Those fans show up early and stay late tailgating! Been to Nashville? The arena sits on the edge of the downtown entertainment district on Broadway….blocks from the original Grand Ole Opry!

About 20 years ago, Ted Turner….the owner of the Hawks and the man behind the Thrashers name and the team being here…and Stan Kasten proposed an arena at I-285 and GA400….which is the actual center of population in the Metro ATL region. Man, did they catch heat….and eventually, the Omni was torn down and Philips was built. The Thrashers did not exist then.

At one time, Rankin Smith wanted to move the Falcons to their own stadium in Flowery Branch…again, the City of Atlanta stepped in and the Georgia Dome was built. While the Dome is and has served ATL well, the location, parking, experience, etc. is awful! The Dome consistently ranks near the bottom of the NFL in game day experience polls and columns.

And do not get me started on going to a Braves game….name one place other than Turner Field you would go to in that area?

ATL has GREAT fans….but is viewed as a poor sports town nationally because of the lack of attendance at games….which is viewed as support. Do you think there would be only 35,000 fans in Philly for the Braves game on a beautiful Saturday afternoon like yesterday?

The NHL asked during the season for ATL fans to support the franchise. I have been to high school girls lacrosse matches where there seemed to be more people there than a Tuesday night Thrashers game.

It’s the location of the facilities….even when the ATL teams are winning, attendance at playoff games are a joke! Remember the Braves not selling out in the NLCS? The Falcons, during their Super Bowl year only having 50,000 (generous) at a Bears game in November (half were Bears fans)? And never was there a statement during the Hawks recent run of a rowdy, sold-out Philips for any of the weekday playoff games.

Because of the City of Atlanta, it looks as if the 2nd NHL team to locate here will leave…..

deafia

May 15th, 2011
8:46 am

Sounds like it is all about money, not fans’ hearts.

Victoria

May 15th, 2011
9:33 am

Just wanted to chime in and offer support to Atlanta fans from another market altogether. I’ve really come to enjoy your team and have been following this story – I’m so impressed with ATL fans’ hearts as all of this has been going on – I know that things don’t look good right now, but I truly hope that things work out for you guys and you can enjoy the Thrashers for years to come.

Tom Lysiak

May 15th, 2011
9:42 am

Victoria – thank you. That is much appreciated. It will take the NHL forcing the ASG to do the right thing. There are buyers, but not at their conditions of sale.

jim

May 15th, 2011
10:32 am

Why can’t the NHL provide a temporary bridge loan for one year from its treasury to the ASG and really get involved in trying to help find a suitable buyer?

I think the current owners would hang on for one more season with assistance from the NHL.That would help in the search and provide some level of stability to the situation.If nothing materializes even with the NHL helping then the league would recoup its money from a relocation sale after next season.

MrBill

May 15th, 2011
10:41 am

Its too late for the thrashers to move, I see on their website they are having a pick your seat day on May 21st for season ticket holders and potential season ticket holders at Phillips arena, this doesn’t sound like a team getting ready to move. I believe this upcoming season is very important if this team is to survive if we average 16000 a game then I think we will survive. To much has to be done to move a team now at both ends. For Winnipeg the Moose would have to relocate plus advertising would have to sold in Winnipeg and arena schedules would have to be looked at so the NHL can make up its schedule plus pre season games. Staff would have to be hired. It takes a good year or so to relocate a team and to do it in couple of months is not realistic. So lets just go out and buy tickets for the upcoming season and show or support we still have a chance. This could also be creative way to scare the daylights out of us to sell more tickets and if thats the case and they do sell more than they accomplished their goals. Its up to the fans in Atlanta to step up.

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
11:05 am

I wish you were right MrBill, but picking seats and even paying for season tix would not prevent a move. It would simply require ASG to issue refunds. And who knows how long it would take ASG to issue those refunds.

Jason

May 15th, 2011
11:07 am

I spoke to my Season Ticket rep on Friday and he’s as clueless as to what’s going on as everyone else. They’re just trying to go about business as usual as possible (hence the Select-a-Seat event, etc.).

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
11:07 am

The reason that Gary Bettmen has turned 180° in the past 4 months and no longer wants to save Atlanta Hockey is simple. He has a conflict-in-interest that encourages relocating the Thrashers.

The NHL lost $15M subsidizing the Coyotes last year. Now that the sale of the Yotes has blown up in his face, the NHL is on track for another $15M loss next season. And it could be worse. The Goldwater Institute has threatened suing Glendale of its $25M subsidy. If that happens, then the NHL is on the hook for that $25M, and possibly last year’s $25M. All of the sudden, the cost of keeping the Yotes in Phoenix may total the NHL $80M!!! To help with these costs, it is the NHL’s best short-term interest to pocket the $60M Thrasher relocation fee.

Casare Maniago

May 15th, 2011
11:08 am

Understand that Winnipeg has everything in place….the effort to move would not be that tough. Like with the Moose move from Minnesota, it was not that big a deal.

Lysiak is right….there have been offers….but remember one thing here about the Spirit….the do NOT want a competitor to go up against the Hawks…the loss of the Thrashers only frees up more space for other events/concerts at Philips where they falsely believe that they could gain revenue….

New owners and a new arena….closer to the fan base is what is needed.

MrBill

May 15th, 2011
11:23 am

I still say you can’t relocate a franchise in a couple of months, this is the Middle of may and the Stanely cup finals aren’t finished until mid of June and training camps are 2 and half months away after that. Don’t forget players would have to buy homes in Winnipeg or find places to live they have families as well as coaches. I just think to much has to be done in short time frame, plus there is nothing in the Winnipeg Free press that leads me to believe that an annoucement is right around the corner. Think about divison realignment Winnipeg is not in th South East also if we rank 28th out of 30 teams for attendance than who is 29 and 30 the coyotes where problay 30 and I understand Columbus is down there as well they lost 25 million last year and there is nothing being said about them being moved. When the league expanded and annouced that we had a team in 1997 we didn’t start play until 1999.There was do much that had to be done before the puck even dropped. I think that’s the same here. I see the thrashers playing here this season and beyond that who knows.

Cornbread

May 15th, 2011
11:26 am

If it’s a “95% certainty” that the Thrashers are moving, one would think there would be a Sunday article in the AJC, no? Same ol’ same ol’.

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
11:30 am

I bet the NHL already has 2 schedules made up; one with Atlanta in the East, and one with Winnepeg in the West and Detroit in the East.

glovesave29

May 15th, 2011
11:32 am

The sole positive out of this is that the fans of Atlanta are now being recognized as intelligent and educated on the sport…and that we are the the victims or horrendous ownership.

Part of me hopes that…if Winnipeg is SUCH a great markets, and that ANYONE can make money there – well then take the team at A WHOLE – yup with ‘ol DW in charge and the ASG as the owners. See the disaster unfold as we have had to.

I am also bothered by the CViv tour of self adulation in the Canadian media. It’s been real uncomfortable to watch as an Atlanta fan. While most RESPONSIBLE media are reporting that the league is doing all it can to take the team here…Chris is out there sucking up to the Canadian media claiming we are 95% out the door. Enjoying this Chris? Personally, I hope you are 100% wrong – and that when the team stays you get the requisite readership (none) and you are shown the door.

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
11:36 am

MrBill,

If you look at the last past NHL relocations some of have been in May to even late May. So it’s possible for a team to still relocate this month.

ben

May 15th, 2011
12:13 pm

southoftheborder,

the arena finished in 98-99 was a condition of NHL moving here. Traditionally, the Hawks have had a poor following. A few years ago, pre Spirit, there were rumors that the Hawks would move and the T-Birds would stay. It was always thought that McDavid would have been a hockey-first owner, but that mysteriously fell through when the teams were sold to people, some of whom were in Turner’s family. The Thrashers out drew the Hawks despite being a baaaaad team. Then, ironically, as we got more hockey savy as a town we realized that this was basically an AHL team talent wise and we naturally blamed the GM and even more naturally than that made individual descisions about family finances and stayed home.

And then outta the blue came a lawsuit betwixt the members of ASG over Diaw-Johnson deal. Because of that lawsuit the T-Birds were hamstrung fiscally, or so we were told. Then there were these whispers that no one wanted to play here. That fed deep-seeded insecurities a lot of people have about this town because hardly any of the transplants (1/2 – 3/4 of the people in Atlanta) and a lot of the natives actually want to live here. As a native myself, it’s only been through the years that I have begun to appreciate Atlanta.

Anyway, so things rocked along until it came out that, they claimed to be losing $20 million on the Thrashers, savy, hossa, kovy left. and when kovy left he said he wanted to stay but they couldn’t tell him for sure if the team would stay. and the lawsuit against their lawyers claimed very bizare things which are too strange to be reprinted as no sane adult who moves in the world would believe them.

anyway, southoftheborder, i wanna thank you for having a respectful tone in our little back and forths. i can only speak for me when i say that i am a dyed in the sack cloth hockey fan first and a thrashers fan second. yes, this town doesn’t do well here, but then again it was never given a real chance at on-ice success and you have to have that here in atlanta first.

remember this as you pass judgement on us:

would you, a busy functioning adult with other payments and bills as well as commitments for time and money continue to support year after year of a losing pro team you don’t own or control? How would you react to a much smaller city claiming you had no right to this team and that they did.

I’m a researcher, I deal in demographics every day. I’m saying this as a researcher:

Mr. Betman, respectfully, my hometown lost its NHL team in 1980 and never got another one. This is a town of 6 million, most of whom don’t want to go downtown. I think if you put a team by where a majority of the affluent people live an NHL could thrive as long as they remained in the top third with spending and owned their building which would thereby create alternate revenue streams. If the Thrashers leave, and as a die-hard hockey fan and supporter of them, I am just about past the point of caring, we will get another crack at hockey.

Sean

May 15th, 2011
1:03 pm

Ben you make alot of good points but the location of the Omni(which is where Phillips not stands) didn’t seem to prevent people from coming to Knights games. I seriously doubt a new Arena would be built and if it was where would you put it? Cobb? Gwinnett? Would it still make sense to call the hockey team the Atlanta Thrashers if they were playing in Roswell, Alpharetta, Marietta or Duluth? I do agree that getting to Phillips is a pain the rear end and leaving is even worse due to the one way streets and no clear signs saying I-85 this way or I-20 that way, Turner Field is alot easier to get to and alot more parking due to it not being right smack in the middle of downtown Atlanta.

EA

May 15th, 2011
1:03 pm

Nothing personal C-Viv, but I have to agree on your strange communication with the Canadien media. Betttman is asking “who is making this stuff up”? He may be feeding us a line of b.s., but we don’t have to look far to see who is one of the main guys spreading this news. Doom and gloom all the way–”there is some tragedy mixed in”. A lot of people experience tragedy. Where is the defense of the city of Atlanta dedicated fan base, the players who have made their home here? Rich Peverly is out there defending us by saying those things and he has moved on. Yes, it may not work out for us in the end, but in the mean time, does our own writer have to be the one feeding the fire of speculation? Facts sir.

Sean

May 15th, 2011
1:04 pm

not should be now*

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:04 pm

Still not a word from TNSE, is anyone sure they even want a team..

EA

May 15th, 2011
1:05 pm

Also, every where in Atlanta is a pain to reach with traffic. The arena is not going to be move. Someone said once, traffic is a sign of so many people wanting to live there. We already have a sub par downtown area. If we move the sports out, it declines even more.

hockeyfan88

May 15th, 2011
1:19 pm

@ Flagstaff thanks! I kinda figured they would Boom is a perfect song for the Thrashers! I love how we have hockey teams in cities that have little to no hockey markets. If the NHL moves Atlanta or Phoenix or Florida, I don’t think the sport will be respected again. Think about this I read this maybe on this site it makes a great point, take cities like: Tampa Bay, Anaheim, Nashville, and Carolina 3 of these 4 teams have won a Stanley Cup!!!! How awesome is that?! Hope your team stays in Atlanta!

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
1:20 pm

Ben,

You are right with the economy the way it is sports tickets have fallen off people’s radars. I am still on the fence about renewing my Browns season tickets (after 12 years).

Now take this for what its worth, but last summer I got a call from an associate who I have done deals with who is tied in with people in the Hawks organization asking if I knew anyone who would be interested in buying into the Hawks, since the group was cash strapped (I work in finance). One of my first questions was if they would just sell 100% of the hockey team and allow it to be moved because I figured that would be easier to sell and me and my partners would get a bigger fee. The answer was no. This was last July so I don’t know what changed over the next few months

Winnipeg = Poverty

May 15th, 2011
1:25 pm

I bet True North is trying to get the cheapest price possible because they know how little revenue in TV and Advertising and MTS Centre hockey operations there is in downtrodden Winnipeg. This will be one of the excuses that David Thompson uses if he acquires the franchise and moves it to a Toronto suburb or Hamilton in a couple of years. Lack of possible Winnipeg revenue streams force our hand in what we are willing to pay and this helps them if they don’t get the team as well.

Ryder

May 15th, 2011
1:41 pm

I’m thrilled that the Thrashers are leaving. Now we can focus on real sports like basketball and football. bye, bye, hockey!!

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
1:45 pm

Here is another viewpoint that indicates the NHL has sleazy motivations to dump the Thrashers.

http://blogs.forbes.com/mikeozanian/2011/05/09/nhl-should-let-coyotes-go-to-winnipeg-and-keep-thrashers-in-atlanta/

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
1:47 pm

Winnipeg = Poverty,

You have no clue. Every HNL Canadian Team Shares in the TV rights. Therefore he’ll have an equal share of TV revenue.

Scott Oake had a breakdown segiment that shows NHL in Winnipeg earning about 115 Million per season.

Also the owner owns the building, concessions, etc. Plus they are expanding around the arena to earn more profit. The business model will work to cover losses in those bad years which every team in the NHL goes through.

It’s rather funny to see people posting about Winnipeg in a Negative view and yet they’ve never been to the city. Having a large population means nothing for an NHL team if they don’t buy tickets. Phoenix Coyotes is a failure and still is today. No Profit at all since the team was relocated from Winnipeg to that city and now it’s on Welfare Support.

As for Atlanta, they really never had a chance. Bad bickering ownership and only making the playoffs once is another reason why the support has dropped. So I’ll give them that.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

“work to cover losses”

So TNSE will be willing to prop up the loses on the team you already admit are to come.. Got it.. the NHL would be interested in doing this, why..

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
1:57 pm

“No Profit at all since the team was relocated from Winnipeg to that city and now it’s on Welfare Support.”

No profits and the city propped the team up in loserpeg too. Why does the NHL hate Canadians..

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
2:01 pm

G52PIM228

The WHA and NHL Winnipeg Jets made money unlike the WELFARE COYOTES. Once again get back on your WELFARE BOARDS. The Taxpayers of Glendale need your money and support for a team that has nothing but losses.

A team in Winnipeg will make money. PLAIN AND BRAIN DEAD SIMPLE!

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
2:14 pm

“NHL Winnipeg Jets made money”

As in all venues you are mistaken, the loserpeg jokes lost money 14 seasons, yes accepting “bail out” funds from the city for 4 season.. The jokes did break even once..

Loserpeg is a FAILED MARKET that the NHL has no interest in, judging from TNSE’s stay mum policy, it would seem they are not interested in bringing the NHL there either.. You see the ONLY people moving an NHL team to loserpeg helps is a handful of brain dead jokes zealots..

I’m pretty sure TNSE is not as excited as you are about trading a profitable Moose franchise for a chance to prop up the NHL with every other profitable venture they have..

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
2:15 pm

G52PIM228

When the NHL moves here next season and we make money I am so going to laugh at you and your WELFARE COYOTES

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
2:23 pm

Darren Fraud has a BUNCH of you idiots brainwashed into believing some insane fantasy that is just not going to happen.. I’m TRYING to help you people..

Winnipeg = Poverty

May 15th, 2011
2:24 pm

wpgJetsfan I am very well aware about how business works in pro sports. The Hank Yarbo types from Winnipeg like yourself need to stop touting about the 730,000 Hockey loving fans in Winnipeg. You destroy your argument right there. There are millions in Atlanta and its suburbs and that equals huge potential revenue streams for a successful winning Atlanta hockey team. If the Thrashers become exciting and win local sports channel can charge what?10,15 20X times for beer comercials and car commercials etc… than they ever could in Winnipeg.Winnipeg can never compete with Atlanta, Phoenix or Miami and you need to get over it. The people hurt in this will be the players and NHL brand name by costing the league the huge potential revenue streams available in Atlanta.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
2:29 pm

“Winnipeg = Poverty”

You are completely right, large under served markets represent HUGE PILES of NEW revenue to the league.. Loserpeg represents perpetual revenue sharing because of a tiny inadequate venue..

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
2:33 pm

“Winnipeg = Poverty”

Any one know of other Chamber Of Commerce slogans they’ve been using up there?

Winnipeg = Poverty

May 15th, 2011
3:06 pm

I’ve hinted at what Atlanta NHL hockey fans and media need to do to derail any deal with True North. You need to make clear to Gary Bettman and the Board of Governors and especially the owners of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Buffalo Sabres and Detroit Red Wings all of whom have longstanding opposition to a new team in their territory of Southern Ontario is that David Thompson’s motives are unclear in the longterm and moving a money losing operation in Winnipeg to Southern Ontario is what his plans may be in the future. Take Thompson out of the picture and True North loses its big financial backer and any chance move of the club to Winnipeg ceases because Thompson’s money is the only thing interesting the NHL at this moment in any deal.

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
3:10 pm

G52 – Why are you taking your stupidity show all over the internet? If we were to follow your logic the NHL should move the Coyotes and Thrashers to Mexico City. Its the largest city in the world!

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
3:17 pm

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
3:10 pm

G52 – Why are you taking your stupidity show all over the internet? If we were to follow your logic the NHL should move the Coyotes and Thrashers to Mexico City. Its the largest city in the world!

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
1:20 pm

So – are you POT or KETTLE, Mr. High Finance….?
You are right with the economy the way it is sports tickets have fallen off people’s radars. I am still on the fence about renewing my Browns season tickets (after 12 years).

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
3:21 pm

From AZ Central:

posted by southoftheborder on May 12, 2011 at 11:20 AM

What you should have been writing to the Coyote fans that its time for them to show up to games. If Winnepeg gets the Trashers, expect a bunch of Quebec people to show up to replace the Winnepegers who replaced the Hamiltonians.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
3:35 pm

Mexico city is probably on the BoG map, loserpeg is not..

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
3:44 pm

The Cartels have more money than TNSE….

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
3:47 pm

I bet Mexico city would build an actual NHL venue instead of insisting a sub-standard shoe box sized AHL facility was “good enough”..

Sean

May 15th, 2011
3:53 pm

G52, Bettman has said the MTS Center is good enough so in the end his opinion probably weighs far more than your does.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
4:07 pm

For YEARS Saint Bettman deemed the MTS unsuitable, when they need to sell a relocation option for leverage to progress a deal in Glendale all of a sudden it is “good enough”.. Are you really that big of a SUCKER..

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
4:13 pm

Here is the difference GlobalView – Your team was losing money when the economy was good. Your team loses money when they win. Atlanta can at least say they supported a minor league team. You had minor league teams 5 times and all 5 of them failed.

Sean

May 15th, 2011
4:19 pm

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
4:25 pm

southy…

I was speaking to the fact that you were commenting that G52 is on this site now.

As for yourself ?

If you are to be believed, you live in Cleveland, yet you comment on AZ Central and here.
Understandably you have LeBron separation anxiety, however you have no hockey, lest you drive south, east, west or boat north.

Hence, your calling someone else out for trying to support the locals against the trolling onslaught of Snow Monkeys smacks a bit of hypocrisy.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
4:26 pm

Awwwww.. That is cute Seen, some Canadian propaganda..

The problem is reality..

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
4:28 pm

Sean,

Here’s the canine parody reaction of the Snow Monkeys when they aren’t getting an NHL team….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
4:31 pm

wow AZ trolls are now Telling Atlantans what to do. That’s just EPIC funny. They can’t even support their own NHL team and have to get the city to waste taxpayers money. Mind you most people who want the Coyotes to stay are not even from Glendale. Many of their meetings proved that.

In business, it’s always the LOCALS who keep the business afloat in the bad times. These fair weather AZ fans will sink the attendance when the team does crap. And who will be on the hook? Glendale Residents.

You never bank your potential from non-locals. It’s always a losing proprosition. I can honestly say Atlanta has done far better than Glendale has ever done to this point.

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
4:33 pm

You know, there are a lot of Jets at Hartsfield – Jackson….

Sky Harbor too.

Winniphelgm ? Not so much.

GlobalView

May 15th, 2011
4:37 pm

All together Atlanta:

Let’s go Sharks, hose the canucks.

southoftheborder

May 15th, 2011
5:23 pm

Yep I live in Cleveland and we don’t have NHL hockey here. We’re a 3 team down just as Phoenix should be.

Yes I read about hockey on sites all over the net, but everyone was having a civil discussion over here until G52 showed up. What is it with Arizonans not being able to be civil.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
5:28 pm

By “civil” you mean nobody disputing your INSANE loserpeg lies..

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
5:36 pm

“until G52 showed up”

I’m a Baaaaaaaaaaaad man..

wpgJetsfan

May 15th, 2011
5:43 pm

WOW, So it appears this BALKIN fellow orwhatever they call him doesn’t exist. Atlantans must be pissed of at John Kincade now.

@KincadeJohn Kincade

NHL sources imploring parties to publicly show interest. I have raised voice for last time asking someone in particular to do so. I tried

52 minutes ago

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
5:44 pm

Yo dummy, you do realize the NHL is not limited to previously failed, dead end markets like loserpeg should a team need to relocate, right, eh..

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
5:49 pm

Still no word about the nonexistent TNSE offer, eh.. They seems quite content selling Moose season tickets for next season..

g time

May 15th, 2011
6:31 pm

who is Balken

Wienerpeg Trolls

May 15th, 2011
6:43 pm

Reading comprehension must not be part of the Wienerpeg school curriculum. Kincade never said he was out. You people make up more lies than the ASG, if that is possible.

GoBruinsGo

May 15th, 2011
7:17 pm

What a basket-case league. On one hand, they are blackmailing a city to cover losses and bribing a gazillionaire to take the team. On another hand, they are allowing a bunch of monkeys to run the franchise in the 8th largest market and the poor fans will get screwed for it. On the third hand, they have another gazillionaire who’s offering barrels of his own cash for a franchise. On the fourth hand, we have a commish that’s allowing all this nonsense to distract fans from the playoffs instead of settling things.

Atlanta, I feel for you. You don’t deserve this. I’m also extremely impressed with the civility of this board. Chin up. You should be proud.

However, if a call has gone out to all gazillionaires, and only one has come forward, it clearly says something about his confidence. Let him try. Everyone else seems to be avoiding the NHL like the plague.

Craplanta

May 15th, 2011
7:19 pm

Hockey may not have worked in Winnipeg in the past, but it works now. Why? Salary cap and strong CDN dollar that appears to be long term strong. And there’s a group of people up here willing to put their money where their mouth is – something you do not have in Atlanta.

Nobody ever brought hockey to Atlanta for any love of the game, they brought it to a large US market in the hopes of growing the game for one purpose – growing their bank accounts. As soon as the latter didn’t happen they pulled out – twice. If the NHL Board of Governors didn’t exert as much control now, the team would have left for another market years ago.

Atlanta’s population is just over 400,000. 5.3 million if you include the entire metropolitan area. There aren’t even 5.3 million baseball or basketball fans in Atlanta, so why would there ever be 5.3 million hockey fans?

Quoting the ’size of the market’ as reason for having a team or not is ludicrous and ignorant. Why isn’t there a team in Mexico City then? The Winnipeg market is the province, at 1.25 million plus western Ontario, Saskatchewan and North, South Dakota, and Northern Minnesota. Flyover states all, but nonetheless collectively represent a market bigger than Atlanta will ever have. The market isn’t the number of people in any particular city, its the number of hockey fans, and Winnipeg has more now and always will.

FactsfromWpg

May 15th, 2011
7:47 pm

“Winnipeg = Poverty”? Our unemployment rate is less than 5%, property values are going up 10+%/year, record housing starts, 1% apartment vacancy rates… How’s things down there eh?

too many on the ICE

May 15th, 2011
7:52 pm

Craplanta: Say what you want about being hockey fans…but don’t try to sell us on Winnipeg. The place is a COLD dump. No reasonable person would live there unless you like ice fishing. Overall, Canada is a second rate country but you sure are great hockey fans. LOL.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
7:53 pm

Bruins,
The NHL made a record profit and had record revenues generated in a season the NBA lost MILLIONS.. The Good Saint Bettman is responsible for overseeing revenue growth from 400 million to 3 billion.. You snow mankeys make hate him but his bosses, the NHL BoG just gave him a new contract and BIG raise..

Crap,

The problem is the NHL BoG are the ones that insist on keeping the teams where they are, you can argue your case till you are blue in the face and it will not matter.. The NHL is not interested in putting teams in tiny already failed market when suitable ones are available.. Here is a little info for you as to why the NHL avoids tiny poor markets like loserpeg and Q.C..

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2010/12/8/1536097/nhl-relocation-winnipeg-quebec-city

Sorry

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
7:56 pm

BS from loserpeg,

loserpeg is currently in its 5th consecutive year of deficit spending, the Canadian economy CONTRACTED .02% last quarter.. You can claim Canadian prosperity but it is A LIE, really you have no idea what an actual economic “boom” is..

Canada calls 2.5% growth a “boom” while in the U.S. 2.5% growth is “the worst economic conditions since the great depression”, it is a matter of perspective and apparently you have no idea what prosperity is, which is excusable because snow monkeys are not good with numbers..

ZAvalanche

May 15th, 2011
8:15 pm

GAME TIME! Kesler and Thornton not getting along well.

too many on the ICE

May 15th, 2011
8:29 pm

Come on Canadians…if there is any “heavy lifting” that has to be done the US has to do it. Economics, academics, defense, etc. etc. Like I just stated Candada is a second rate country but you are legit hockey fans.

GoBruinsGo

May 15th, 2011
8:29 pm

G52, take it easy, big guy. Love hearing your thoughts, but no point going all nuclear with the name-calling. Respect my opinion and I’ll respect yours.

Guffman

May 15th, 2011
8:34 pm

@g52 – What a terrible article you linked. The author’s basis of success for an NHL team is on population size and per captia income? Interesting that Montreal ranks so poorly in per capita income and yet is one of the most profitable teams. Man, what trash.

Anyways, it is all moot. If you don’t have an owner or some one who wants to keep the team in Atlanta, then the team has to move.

Southern Hockey Rules.

May 15th, 2011
8:36 pm

I think Stamkos was born in Florida, He got his bc where obamer got his.

too many on the ICE

May 15th, 2011
8:38 pm

I wonder if Ben Eager misses Atlanta?

Keep Hockey in Atlanta

May 15th, 2011
8:50 pm

The Canadian bashing is uncalled for and I have no problem with Winnipeg wanting a team. However I want hockey to stay in Atlanta with owners that are dedicated to putting an A+ product on the ice year after year. I don’t know the numbers but I imagine youth hockey has grown significantly with the Thrashers existance if they leave I imagine there will be a decline in the number of kids interested in the game.

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
8:57 pm

Bruins, I apologize, kind sir..

Craplanta

May 15th, 2011
9:10 pm

re: G52PIM228

of all the G8 countries, Canada is the only one that didn’t experience a crash. We may not have crazy booms but we don’t have retarded crashes like you do. And as much as you like to trumpet free market conservatism, if it wasn’t for socialist cash infusions into your banking system your entire country would closely resemble the apocalypse envisioned by Canadian Director James Cameron in Termintor 1.

Go to a baseball game, go to a basketball game, you don’t go to hockey games and never will so let us enjoy our hockey. We promise that we won’t follow Braves/Hawks games like we never have, and you promise you won’t follow Jets games.

MrBill

May 15th, 2011
9:15 pm

Hey this whole story when Chris V started this so he could stir up a mess in which he did, lets look at the facts nothing has happened any where as of yet and everything seems to be a big rumor with no real facts to back it up. So everybody take a deep breath and maybe this sports writer for the AJC wants to run the team out of town because he doesn’t like hockey.In fact the the team has never gotten much support from the AJC. Please just look at the source of these reports and go from there. I don’t buy any of it.

OHL

May 15th, 2011
9:28 pm

MrBill the story is getting a lot of traction everywhere and was recently stated that something will be done in less than 3 weeks. While that might not seem like a lot of time to move a franchise a lot of things are in place for the team itself (arena/offices/facilities). As for players, if free agents can relocate after July 1 then your players can relocate in May or June.

Keep Hockey in Atlanta

May 15th, 2011
9:33 pm

Well Bill it certainly doesn’t help matters when you have one of the current owners saying to the fans “If you know anyone tell them to call me.” while he is being interviewd before Game 6 of the Hawks and Bulls.

OHL

May 15th, 2011
9:35 pm

Keep Hockey in Atlanta, you say you want owners who are dedicated to putting an A+ product on the ice year after year. But how many of the 30 owners in the league fit that description?

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
9:44 pm

@OHL,
Yes, we want dedicated owners; who doesn’t? However, we are stuck with owners who are at the other end of the spectrum. We have the lowest payroll in the league; at league minimum. The main issue is that we have owners who bought the team 7 years ago with the intent of “disposing” of them immediatly. This is the whole issue. This is why the team has stunk. This is why the fans abandoned the team.

It was not long ago that the Thrashers outdrew the Blackhawks and the Bruins. If Chicago or Boston had our owners, they would be in just as bad as shape as we are in. The big difference is that the NHL would never allow for their teams to be taken from thier cities.

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
9:46 pm

… from their cities.

GoBruinsGo

May 15th, 2011
9:46 pm

G52, accepted. Valid points on Bettman, by the way.

OHL

May 15th, 2011
9:53 pm

FlamesFan that’s not what I asked though. You want an owner who is going to put an A+ product on the ice year after year and what I want to know is how many owners in the league do you think fit that description? 5? 10? 28? Please also do not use the Blackhawks as an example because they did something that no one else in the NFL, NBA, NHL, Baseball would do and that’s blackout local games. Once they lifted that ban they turned things around almost instantly. But say how many owners in the NHL fit that A+ description.

AtlFlamesFan

May 15th, 2011
10:17 pm

If you are on Facebook, please share this link with your friends, and ask them to share this link.

http://www.keepthethrashers.com/videokeepthrashersreally.html

@G52

May 15th, 2011
10:21 pm

Two keys to the success of a hockey team are the financial size of the market and the relative affluence of the people within that market. Below is a table listing both the total size of the market (Metro GDP) and the affluence of the market (Per Capita GDP)

WHO CARES IDIOT!

Facts are just that, facts. You show your ignorance when you use them like this. Total size of ‘the market’ has nothing to do with the population of a city. Is the market for Desperate Housewives the same as the market for 60 minutes in Atlanta? Hell no. Just because there are 5.3 million people in Atlanta does not mean that there are 5.3 million hockey fans. There aren’t even 5.3 million Braves fans in Atlanta so give your head a shake.

The ‘market’ for hockey is for hockey fans. And there are more hockey fans in Winnipeg than Atlanta. Atlanta ownereship was trying to use a weak Canadian dollar to make a windfall profit on a league that was supposed to grow. The gambled and lost. In Winnipeg there is no gamble; we have hockey fans and you don’t.

OHL

May 15th, 2011
10:40 pm

If market size and having a winning team is so important, then why do teams like Cleveland and Buffalo beat the Falcons in attendance in the NFL? They are both small market teams, put together don’t have 1/2 the population of metro Atlanta, and neither of them has been to the playoffs this decade. Let’s not even talk about Green Bay. Why did the Braves barely crack the top 10 just once in baseball attendance this decade even though they were winning division titles year in and year out?

Keep Hockey in Atlanta

May 15th, 2011
10:48 pm

@ OHL where’s the proof on the Browns and Bills doing better than the Falcons in attendance? I’m pretty sure the Falcons have either sold out or come very close to it each game the past few seasons. Also as far as the Braves go i’d say it was due to Braves fans getting complacent and a lack of success in the playoffs( I mean who doesn’t know the Braves poor postseason history?)

East Point Bob

May 15th, 2011
11:19 pm

Exactly how is it, canada fans “think” they own the game of ice hockey ?? You people are so lame !
Lastly, why do winnipeg people come on an Atlanta blog to act like A$$HOLES ? What is the point ? Why waste time looking like fools ? I hope you idiots never see the NHL ever again, no more
canada cities should ever get an NHL franchise !

East Point Bob

May 15th, 2011
11:27 pm

I have to agree 110% with Casare Maniago, the location of The OMNI and Philips is worse than awful. Look at Kansas City. The K and Arrowhead are east of town on I-70, away from that
downtown mess, easy in, easy out. Kemper Arena is in the west bottoms, near the old stockyards,
though downtown, easy off I-670 and easy to get onto. Went to several Blades/Knights when I was there on business. Then they build Sprint Center, right downtown, a total mess to get into or out of
all because then mayor Kay Barnes wanted The Power & Light District, which is a near flop.

Teams need to build arenas where the poeple are, not where the politictions want them build.
I hate where Philips is, just like the OMNI before, if it was along 285, attendence would be a whole different story !

True Thrashers Fan

May 15th, 2011
11:35 pm

I call for a rally soon!

VAN ISLE

May 15th, 2011
11:56 pm

G52PIM228

May 15th, 2011
11:58 pm

Man you Atlantans are so stupid. Get your city to pay the NHL money to buy time like we are doing in Glendale.

G52PIM228

May 16th, 2011
12:00 am

How cute, an impostor.. Guys wanna be me, chicks wanna be with me..

G52PIM228

May 16th, 2011
12:10 am

It would seem loserpeg is a little jealous a town a 1/3rd the size can afford to keep their NHL team when loserpeg could not..

G52PIM228

May 16th, 2011
12:21 am

Nobody went to the loserpeg jokes games, but EVERYBODY went to the rally to wave good-bye..

That’s a cold shot..

Atlanta Spirit Sucks

May 16th, 2011
12:57 am

If you are seeking the truth about the Atlanta Spirit, the owners for the Hawks and Thrashers, proceed to the link listed below. The Spirit only care about one thing, and it isn’t the quality of the product, be it the Arena, the Thrashers, or the Hawks. Watch the history unfold before your eyes with more info being added day after day.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Atlanta-Georgia/Atlanta-Spirit-Sucks/114671988618038

Global View

May 16th, 2011
2:49 am

Dear Atlanta…

Please don’t be swayed by the mindless babble the Snow Monkeys toss your way, for they are only products of there environment.

Here’s a find example of what constitutes hard hitting journalism in their local rag:

From the Winnipeg Free Press

Do you compost?
* Yes 37%
* Not yet but I’m thinking about it. 11%
* I would but I don’t have a suitable yard. 18%
* No. I’m not interested. 32%

Total Votes: 4079

Keep this in mind when they lecture you on the complexities of owning an NHL hockey team, economics, fan base, etc.
Their posts suggest you are beholden to embrace their empirical observations sans questioning…
just reply accordingly:

I would, but I don’t have a suitable yard.

Go THRASHERS !

ScottBravesfan

May 16th, 2011
3:49 am

I don’t really care about the NHL but I do care about the sport of hockey. And with the Thrashers moving to Canada it’s going to hurt the game of hockey here in metro Atlanta. Youth hockey has really started to take off the last few years and it’s a shame that the city will lose their hockey team. Could really stunt the growth of the game here.

TheLegend

May 16th, 2011
4:40 am

wpgJetsfan wrote…..
————————————————————-
“wow AZ trolls are now Telling Atlantans what to do. That’s just EPIC funny. They can’t even support their own NHL team and have to get the city to waste taxpayers money. Mind you most people who want the Coyotes to stay are not even from Glendale. Many of their meetings proved that.

In business, it’s always the LOCALS who keep the business afloat in the bad times. These fair weather AZ fans will sink the attendance when the team does crap. And who will be on the hook? Glendale Residents.

You never bank your potential from non-locals. It’s always a losing proprosition. I can honestly say Atlanta has done far better than Glendale has ever done to this point.”
———————————————————————-

First… I must apologize for the lengthy post. But I just wanted to enlighten the Thrashers fans about the character of person who I quoted above. Because he is a prime example as to why some of us in Phoenix are coming off a bit hostile. This is not to excuse some of the examples of their behavior I’ve seen so far on this site, but some perspective is in order here.

This individual who’s post I quoted above spent roughly 8-9 months on azcentral.com carpet bombing the discussion threads DAILY….. with posts amounting to nothing but “Coyotes are gone. The countdown clock continues…..” including a link to some website that shows said clock in action. Whether it be a game article… or one about the business with the franchise… didn’t matter.. He was never provoked into this behavior by Yotes fans but his intention to troll the site from the first day he showed up (along with a few other “Jets fans” around the same time) was perfectly clear. So I do find it quite humorous when the “Peg fans talk about how bad the azcentral site is when they are directly responsible for helping create that atmosphere to begin with.

Also note that before wpgJetsfan (and his kind) decided to grace azcentral.com with their presence, Yotes fans had already been subjected to continuous trolling from fans originating out of the MakeItSeven campaign for nearly a year. And I reckon we’ll be seeing the Quebec fans showing up on azcentral.com in the near future (the ‘Peg fans have graciously informed us of this already).

Does it mean all the Winnipeg fans are bad? Nope…. I noticed rdrunner is on this site and he’s one of many who would rather discuss this issues than sling mud at anyone.

FWIW…. I sincerely hope that the Thrashers will remain in Atlanta for many years to come. If I had any advice to offer its fans… it would be to not get seriously worked up over every tweet you see, or what some reporter or blogger citing what “people close to the situation” said.

Until the NHL says otherwise…. they are still the Atlanta Thrashers.

TheLegend

May 16th, 2011
4:47 am

Also….. one more thing Thrashers fans should consider. ajc.com’s open messaging system allows people to impersonate other active by simply putting their name in the proper field.

Please keep that in mind when it appears someone seems to be making conflicting comments.

TheLegend

May 16th, 2011
7:23 am

Oh and another thing, Coyotes Rule and Thrashers suck.

TheLegend

May 16th, 2011
7:41 am

One last thing, Thrashers should stay put as playoffs are near next year.

TheLegend

May 16th, 2011
7:45 am

This is it, Winnipeg should start a Russian league team. Yotes could play an exhibition there.

Michael

May 16th, 2011
8:00 am

Re: Global View

Thanks Global, take that over a dog fighting culture anyway. Dog fighting gets better ratings than hockey in Atlanta. Better for your kids too.

wpgJetsfan

May 16th, 2011
8:15 am

Atlanta fans, I wouldn’t listen to G52PIM228, TheLegends, Global, AYF. They troll every hockey board site from HFBOARDS, to Globle and Mail, to TSN, to Winnipeg Free Press. They all have a hidden agenda.

Btw, G52PIM228 is banned on the HFboards for reasons displayed here in these boards.

One thing is certain if the team does relocate to Winnipeg, they will mock you fans.

ATLThrashersfan

May 16th, 2011
8:39 am

Enough already Coyotes fans. Get off our boards already. We don’t need to hear your garbage about Winnipeg. We don’t even care. The issue is about our team. Go find yourself an owner.

j

May 16th, 2011
8:52 am

LOL at BS … you’re numbers are really retarded. 12,000 tickets at $50? Seriously? You thinkw e have that amny people coming to the games paying $50 per person? You must forget we have the lowest attendance in the league and most people buying are paying for the cheap seats ($10 – $20 per ticket). Also, you forget about all the COMPS out there. The Hawks are the same way, and their money only comes from big games. I can almost 100% tell you they lost money this year. Assuming really does make an ass out of just you.

too many on the ICE

May 16th, 2011
9:08 am

Anyone have a legit update (i.e. not some Canada media outlet)?

Anders Hedberg

May 16th, 2011
9:11 am

@Global View. Go find work. Your barely above depression economy needs you.

Fraserwoodflyer

May 16th, 2011
9:12 am

Haha Global, Is that the best you can sling at Winnipeg? Sad that you are so insecure, inferior, and uncomfortable with your present situation that you make these desperate attempts. They do make us chuckle here in the GREAT white north. Thanks though for spending so much of your day thinking about us, sorry to say we don’t do the same for you. Just too much else to enjoy. Looking forward to further desperate attempts for a laugh, people always “hate” when you are at the top. Comes with the territory.

Anyways back on topic, sad if Atlanta does lose their team, and I hope if Winnipeg does land them Jets fans do so respectfully and with the sensitivity that our gain was another’s loss. We are speaking from experience after all.

Kelly

May 16th, 2011
9:13 am

It’s sad to see city-bashing, either against Glendale, Atlanta or Winnipeg. Losing your team sucks, yes, but Winnipeg didn’t shrivel up and die when the Jets left. Indeed, Winnipeg is experiencing the largest net inmigration of any Canadian city. Trolls who call it Frozen Crap Hole or Loserpeg have no class and no idea about what they are talking about.

And it’s not Winnipeg’s fault that the Coyotes or the Thrashers are in difficulty nor that neither team has found anyone willing to spend their own money to buy them. It’s also not Winnipeg’s fault that we have two guys ready to open their own checkbooks and buy a team with their own money.

Alan R.

May 16th, 2011
9:19 am

Trolls who call it Frozen Crap Hole or Loserpeg have no class and no idea about what they are talking about.

Look no further than some of the citizens of that city. I know quite a few that readily acknowledge the place is a “crap hole.” I, personally, think it’s a beautiful town full of generally nice people. The trolls we’re experiencing here are the exception, not the rule.

However, they can keep their mitts off my hockey team.

Brian

May 16th, 2011
9:42 am

I have the unique “pleasure of being both a life-long Thrasher and Coyotes fan…. I can tell you right now, ive been to both rinks on an average night against average teams, and Atlanta actually draws better attendence. their are die-hard, dedicated fans in both cities, but Atlanta tends to have a few thousand more show up at game-time. its a real shame that due to cronic mismanagment, a city with a respectable hockey interest will lose its team. I feel most for the young fans, because they never got to feel playoff fever, the all star game, an 8-3 trouncing of the senators in 2006 that soldified my fandom. its a loss for the generations to come, as without the thrashers, interest in youth hockey and their programs will be threatened as less people are introduced to the game of hockey through the nhl.

Brian

May 16th, 2011
9:45 am

Also, wheres the investigative journalism in all this AJC?! if this was montreal they would have bugged ASG’s phones by now. Atlanta deserves to know whats going on, as we have invested in this enterprise since its inception. AJC hit me up for a job opportunity, im 20 but at least i wouldnt eat ASG’s “offical statements” like candy…

too many on the ICE

May 16th, 2011
9:48 am

Here on out I will refer to Winnipeg as a Frozen Crap Hole.

Fraserwoodflyer

May 16th, 2011
10:16 am

Alan R. you can go to ANY city and find people that call it a “crap hole”. There are bitter, “half-empty”, people that choose to sit in their basements as opposed to get out and enjoy what any city has to offer. Pay no attention to it, I can live in Atlanta, Phoenix, or Winnipeg and enjoy the people, the environment, the history, etc.. If the team was considering moving to Hamilton, KC, Houston or whatever we would have people bashing those towns.

SportsFan

May 16th, 2011
10:20 am

Makes you wonder why the AZ folks waste their time on here when they can actually use it on their own team. Not that they have much of one…NHL owner for another season = last place.

chaz

May 16th, 2011
10:28 am

This site used to be a good read, now its just as bad as phoenix’s. Brutal. G52 ruins another good thing. So much for discussions, lets just get straight to insults about places we have never been, or people we have never met. Hi. Im called respect, have we met?

Fraserwoodflyer

May 16th, 2011
10:34 am

Well put Chaz!!!

SportsFan

May 16th, 2011
10:50 am

Respect and G52 are not something in common. Just an AZ troll who hides behind his computer in mom’s basement with boyfriend Global View.

Shameus

May 16th, 2011
1:13 pm

Don’t PM me. I will PM you….from Winnipeg.

j

May 16th, 2011
1:54 pm

hey, Balkan, your facts are horrible. This team averaged over 15,500 per game back when the owners were making an effort to put a team on the ice (0506,0607). That all changed in the past two years and thus, fans stopped coming. Even with the Thrashers winning, attendance did pick up again BUT there are still A LOT of fans out there that won’t come back until this ownership is gone. You obviously don’t know any off these facts b/c you don’t attend games here. Get the F off this blog before i make a trip down to your basement.

Michael

May 16th, 2011
2:44 pm

@j

Good one j, who cares, back in the good ol days o506 0607 is when the team started losing money and the owners started to try and sell their dog, but the NHL wouldn’t let them sell to anyone who wanted to move the team. So in 5 freakin years you haven’t had one rich idiot step forward willing to lose money on your crap team.

With good attendance they lost money. With worse attendance they lose more money. Bottom line is all they do is lose money. If hockey is so god damned great in Atlanta why are the owners so desperately trying to sell?

Sandbagger

May 16th, 2011
3:08 pm

There are more people living in Atlanta in poverty on food stamps than there are total people in Winnipeg. What’s the ghetto population of Craplanta? 1 or 2 million? Are those people counted in the ‘Atlanta hockey market’? I guess if you give the tickets away to them – but then they’d just scalp them for a hit of crack, if they could get it. Man its going to hurt to lose all those potential hockey fans!!

bikerborz

May 16th, 2011
3:22 pm

If the Thrashers DO leave Atlanta, then that will be the second NHL team to have left there… does anybody remember where the Calgary Flames came from?

[...] Friday, Chris Vivlamore of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that“It is unclear this morning if the Thrashers have been granted  permission by the NHL to [...]

Michael

May 16th, 2011
5:21 pm

Give it up Chris- as if at this point they don’t have permission. Try to contribute something here for chrissakes. Don’t be so damn naive, regardless of what some idiot reporter says.

OHL

May 16th, 2011
6:15 pm

@Keep Hockey in Atlanta in 2 of the last 3 years Cleveland and Buffalo beat out the Falcons in attendance. The exception was last year and you have a franchise top pick QB, the 2 small market teams haven’t been to the playoffs this decade. With the great year you had you are only 1 or 2 spots away from being in the bottom half of the league. I don’t have a horse in this race but I can see the facts.

@G52loserR2D2inmateGEEK

May 16th, 2011
9:39 pm

Owners schmowners, Playoffs schmayoffs, attendance schmatendance. We want an NHL team and are willing to pay for it. 400 people want a team in Atlanta and nobody is willing to pay for it. Get over it. Go to a Hawks or Braves game and watch them lose.

Even you have to admit that high school football in Georgia has more fans than hockey. Careful, our dollar keeps going up and we may move the Hawks up here.

Global View

May 17th, 2011
1:06 am

Don’t give up Atlanta…

These canadian Snow Monkeys will try to beat you down into submission.
Just laugh in their faces.

I spent two weeks each of the past two years in Atlanta for the CEDIA tradeshow @ GWCC.
Every pre-season game you had I paid to see your Thrashers.
Your fans were totally into the team and the team responded accordingly.

With the arena being downtown and in the proximity of the Georgia Dome, CNN Center, the Omni, and being on a MARTA stop I found access to be convenient and easy to facilitate.
I do see that folks North in Marietta and Buckhead may not see it that way, don’t let that hamper your enthusiasm.

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